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A League of Their Own with Julia Claire · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy zef invest start
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Speaker 1: changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hi, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Jamie, and we're
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Speaker 1: here to talk about, as we always are, the portrayal
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Speaker 1: of women in movies. It's fun. It's the theme of
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Speaker 1: the podcast. It's the theme of the podcast. You love it,
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Speaker 1: we love it, you love and we're doing and you're
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Speaker 1: welcome and you're welcome. We're feminist icons. Yeah like that.
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Speaker 1: That's I'm gonna say that. Yeah. We uh. We were
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Speaker 1: inspired by the Bechtel test, which requires that a movie
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Speaker 1: has two characters their ladies, they have names, they talk
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Speaker 1: to each other, and they're not talking about men. That's
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Speaker 1: the Bechdel test. It has its limits, patients. It's what
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Speaker 1: we use as a yard stick for a larger discord.
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Speaker 1: The Bactel test is like a yard hence yardstick. And
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Speaker 1: then the discussion of women in movies is a stile. No,
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Speaker 1: it's just like the that mile I'm getting really, maths
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Speaker 1: is a mile I feel like we're that's no, that's
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Speaker 1: you can't do that. Yeah, you can't, because well, there's
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Speaker 1: metric and no yards. Metric meter is metric yard is
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Speaker 1: three ft. It's totally fine. We should listen to a math.
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Speaker 1: But there are about six in a mile. I know
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Speaker 1: this because oh I ran track in eighth grade. Uh
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Speaker 1: and there I found a picture recently of me and
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Speaker 1: my coach, who was within two years of the picture
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Speaker 1: where he was like touching my arm. I was arrested
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Speaker 1: for perverted deeds with the swim team, not even his team. Jeez,
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Speaker 1: I know my high school soccer coach was arrested for
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Speaker 1: stealing a deer from another person's deer farm so that
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Speaker 1: he could have it for his own deer farm. Well,
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Speaker 1: your trial is really weird. Yeah. I grew up in
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Speaker 1: a really stupid place. Yeah I saw that. What was
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Speaker 1: the name of that street, Oh, dry Hollow Road. Yeah yeah,
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Speaker 1: I took a picture of a road called dry Hollow Road,
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Speaker 1: and I said, so nice of them to name this
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Speaker 1: road after my vagina. Great tweet, thank you tweet. Well,
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Speaker 1: now we de briefed on our tweets. Yes, let's get
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Speaker 1: into the podcast stuff. We have a guest. I'm so excited.
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Speaker 1: She's my best friend in the whole world. She's a comedian,
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Speaker 1: she's a writer, She's been at the British Town Comedy Festival.
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Speaker 1: She lives in New York City where we're recording right now.
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Speaker 1: We should say, because this is one of two and
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Speaker 1: this is the first one that's going to come out. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we're recording with life and we're having the best time
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Speaker 1: we're having. I'm like, it's Julia Claire. She's here, Julia,
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Speaker 1: so that to be here, Thank you for coming, Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much. Like April, it feels like longer. I
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Speaker 1: can't believe we're in this. This always happens anytime we're
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Speaker 1: actually in the same room. Because we have a long
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Speaker 1: distance romance, Jamie and I we talk every single day.
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Speaker 1: We talked all day every day, pretty much more, and
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Speaker 1: I think at this point more of a friend of
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Speaker 1: has been long distance than not, which is yes, wild,
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Speaker 1: which is so weird because our friendships started when we
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Speaker 1: were living not only on the same street in Cambridge,
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Speaker 1: on the same block, yeah, which was why we didn't know.
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Speaker 1: We didn't know each other then before, so just like
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Speaker 1: became friends. I passed oral apartment last night a good place.
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Speaker 1: You came to my apartment and brought me gatorade. At
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Speaker 1: that time, my face got all puffy. Your face was
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Speaker 1: so big, it was really big. Fish Jamie and Julia
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Speaker 1: came from a softball game, and that's true Boston comedy
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Speaker 1: so perfect. Yeah you were. Yeah, did we play at
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Speaker 1: the same time? Know you were, baby, it was like,
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Speaker 1: you're a founding member, Caitlin. It's really you actually left
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Speaker 1: Boston like three weeks after I started doing comedy, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I came to I came to your going away thing.
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Speaker 1: I remember, thank you. I didn't I didn't care. I
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Speaker 1: didn't care. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: I was doing. Maybe maybe I did party. Gal, So
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Speaker 1: you're like already I don't attend parties generally, but I've
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Speaker 1: been trying. You're getting better and doing a better job. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but bringing it back softball, yes, and baseball and the
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Speaker 1: movie we're talking about today, A League of their Own
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, when did you first see this movie?
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Speaker 1: I first saw this movie probably when I was like seven,
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Speaker 1: it's like six or seven. That explains so much that
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Speaker 1: you saw this movie that. Yeah, it was first of all, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I saw it for the first time pretty young, and
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Speaker 1: then I want and to keep watching it, and so
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Speaker 1: pretty much on every time I would get invited to
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Speaker 1: a sleepover, I would demand that this movie that um
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Speaker 1: But I actually hadn't seen it for over ten years
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Speaker 1: until I watched it today. So oh, well, you're welcome
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Speaker 1: that we gave you an opportunity trying to watch this movie. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was very influential in and also I realized there
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Speaker 1: was so much that I didn't understand when I was
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Speaker 1: first watching it when I was little, Like there's so
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Speaker 1: much in it that's just above board for children. But
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Speaker 1: it's a family friendly movie. It is. It's one of
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Speaker 1: those movies that's on TV. It's always on. Yeah, just
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Speaker 1: like me with my comedy. I love it. There and
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Speaker 1: there goes another one, there another those hot riffs bomb. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I dropped to know that. I meant that in a
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Speaker 1: good way. Well, I'm tired. How wouldn't you first see
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Speaker 1: this movie? I think college I was a bit older,
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Speaker 1: and then I think I only saw it that once,
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Speaker 1: and then I rewatched it twice before coming here to
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Speaker 1: record this episode. I saw it and I want to
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Speaker 1: say late elementary school middle school, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: this is kind of boring. And then I saw yesterday
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Speaker 1: and I said, this is kind boring. Yeah, you're not
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Speaker 1: a huge fans movie. Well, okay, my problem with a
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Speaker 1: league of their own is not that women are boring.
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Speaker 1: It's that baseball is boring. I can't argue with that.
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Speaker 1: But um, like the sand Lot A lot was that
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean it was on a lot, but
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't like sport. I love that movie too.
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Speaker 1: I was the sam I mean, if the climax of
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Speaker 1: the movie is a baseball game, it's not gonna be
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Speaker 1: my favorite movie. Sure, I want to I want to
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Speaker 1: leave their own. If we did uh leave their own
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Speaker 1: reboot with basketball soccer, I want a basket ball league
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Speaker 1: up their own. That's my proposal. Give me a soccer movie.
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Speaker 1: Like soccer movies. Well, I don't like I don't like soccer,
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Speaker 1: but well, she's the man bend it like Beckham, and
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Speaker 1: I like Beckham, but also I bend it like Beckham.
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Speaker 1: Is well, I don't like soccer movies. I like soccer
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Speaker 1: is a sport, and I'm saying there should be better
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Speaker 1: soccer movies. I would take a soccer movie over baseball movie.
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Speaker 1: I would take a basketball movie over almost any movie.
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Speaker 1: Space jams for women, Space jam. Why is Lola Bunny?
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Speaker 1: So I yes, and maybe for another time, but she
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Speaker 1: is so she's so sexualized. It's so weird. Everything about
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Speaker 1: that character is just like, oh, she sucks, like and
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Speaker 1: now we know she's when is she not? When she's
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Speaker 1: not on the court, she's fucking and a very well
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Speaker 1: it's for the course for bunnies. Bunnies are sucking all
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Speaker 1: the time. Oh, that's true with bugs bunny, Bugs bunnies.
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Speaker 1: He's a little Yeah, they're not out there like over
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Speaker 1: sexualizing bugs Bunny. I think they're not sexualizing him enough.
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Speaker 1: You know what, your right. I think we need to
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Speaker 1: turn it up to an eleven on bugs Bunny. Let's see,
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Speaker 1: like a dick bulge in his pants? Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: like okay, any way, words I never thought I would
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Speaker 1: here associated with bug funny. I'd like to introduce a
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Speaker 1: horrifying image into the room. Bugs Bunny. I mean obviously
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Speaker 1: he's naked, right, but you think of his for as
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Speaker 1: kind of clothes. So I was picturing a dick bulge
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Speaker 1: coming from skin. Oh, that's actually for as pants that's
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Speaker 1: how It's exactly how I was picturing. But he's not.
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Speaker 1: That's it would just be out it would just be
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Speaker 1: out right. I was thinking to be wearing shorts. It's
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Speaker 1: that's shorts. Yeah, Tatistic could just be hanging out of
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Speaker 1: his bags. Well. I have long said that men's basketball
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Speaker 1: shorts across the board are too long. We need to
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Speaker 1: go back to seventies basketball shorts for men. Show us
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Speaker 1: the butts. I want to see those thighs. Every show
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Speaker 1: us men's thighs are. They're an untapped resource. Yeah, in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, they're great, and it's like it's sometimes I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's like I forget where I heard
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Speaker 1: a similar discussion to this recently, but it's like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's just like an we just don't
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Speaker 1: see men's thighs enough so that when we do, we're
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Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, they're they're great, They're gorgeous,
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Speaker 1: but they're like better than women's thighs. From a feminist icon,
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Speaker 1: this has been the male objectification portion of the podcast.
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Speaker 1: You're welcome everyone about space jams somehow. Oh but all
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Speaker 1: that to say, baseball is the most boring thing in
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Speaker 1: the entire world. In spite of that, this is a
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Speaker 1: great movie. Yeah. I'm not a sports girl myself, but
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Speaker 1: I do like this movie a lot, and I will
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Speaker 1: take this OPPORTU you need to do. Areca, A league
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Speaker 1: of their own is set in I want to say nine. Correct.
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Speaker 1: It's the middle of w W two. We're in a
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Speaker 1: world war. All the men have gone off to fight,
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Speaker 1: including Bill Paulman. Yes, and apparently a bunch of major
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Speaker 1: league baseball players. So this guy Harvey of Harvey Bars,
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Speaker 1: He's like, let's start up a women's league. But we're
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Speaker 1: going to call it the Girls League, which we'll talk about.
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Speaker 1: But John Lovett's he's scouting for talented baseball who are
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Speaker 1: lady little dirty must a suit a little bit too big?
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Speaker 1: He's gonna give his wife a tickle pickle, he says,
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Speaker 1: I bet he knows, you know it. I forgot that line.
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Speaker 1: I mean I probably erased it like a trauma memory.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I was like, oh, tickle pickles.
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Speaker 1: How often do you give your wife a tickle pickle?
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Speaker 1: Is your tickle pickle relationship healthy? Which how much should
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Speaker 1: you be tickling with your pickle? But you guys know
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Speaker 1: that this is like based it's based on a true
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Speaker 1: based on real events, right, Yes, I guess Julia looked
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Speaker 1: up a lot of trivia and I'm very excited, Like
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Speaker 1: is it do you know like a lot of historical
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Speaker 1: trivia about it? Well, not a lot, but just you
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Speaker 1: know the basics of the movie. So John love it.
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Speaker 1: Scouting for different women, he goes and scouts Dottie and
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Speaker 1: Kit sisters who play and tank Girl. They play in
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Speaker 1: like a local league and he's like, you guys are
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Speaker 1: really good, come and try out for this national women's league.
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Speaker 1: He says, Gina Davis ship right she is, and god,
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Speaker 1: I love Kit kids, Like, can't fair. I'm your kids sister,
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Speaker 1: even though I'm a grownass woman. I deeply really I know.
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Speaker 1: It's like are you thirty? Like like she's I'm always
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Speaker 1: left behind. I was like, you're adult anyway, But yeah,
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Speaker 1: he wants Gina Davis's character and she's like, not without
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Speaker 1: my sister Kit. So she convinces him to let Kit
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Speaker 1: come along and try out, and they both make the team.
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Speaker 1: They end up on the Rockford Peaches. The Rockford Peaches.
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Speaker 1: Other team members. Notable ones are Mage, Madonna Wait Madonna's
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Speaker 1: character's name is mad that's Madonna's nickname for a Madonna
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Speaker 1: heads out there, Doris Rosie, O'Donnell. There's like Marla, Marla Hooch, Marla,
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Speaker 1: all these like weird horny cartoon character names. Fact, Marla
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Speaker 1: Hooch is the mother of Whoch from Turner and Whoch
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Speaker 1: another I'm kidding, but I was like, is this a
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Speaker 1: Pixar thing? Oh? Who's the character who has little boy?
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Speaker 1: I forget her name, but there's a there's a mother.
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Speaker 1: And then there's also named Betty who they called Betty
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Speaker 1: Spahett which was doll at one day, I when have
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Speaker 1: a Beatty Spaheanny Doll. I knew it was it all
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Speaker 1: I did not have. She she like stretched out right.
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Speaker 1: That was stretch arm strong for girls. Yeah, exactly, like
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Speaker 1: she was like sexy, stretched stretch. Why did they have
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Speaker 1: to gender toys like that? It's so weird. It was
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Speaker 1: the nineties. They still do it anyway. So there's a
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Speaker 1: bunch of ladies on the team, and at first, no
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Speaker 1: one's really into it. They're like, why would we go
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Speaker 1: watch women play baseball? This is what I find relatable.
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Speaker 1: It's like, do we want to watch baseball? But actually
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Speaker 1: wondering that was like historically inaccurate because the real All
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Speaker 1: American Girls Professional Baseball League was immediately popular because most
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Speaker 1: people didn't have still didn't have TVs in their houses
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Speaker 1: and wanted some entertainment, so pretty much immediately had people
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Speaker 1: in the in the seats. Cool. I like that, that's great. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the movie to heighten the drama, the movie depicts it
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Speaker 1: as though it wasn't popular. So then different members of
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Speaker 1: the team are like, let's find ways to make this popular,
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Speaker 1: and so Gina Davis is doing splits and all kinds
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Speaker 1: of stuff, and then more people come. Meanwhile, their manager
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Speaker 1: Tom Hanks a k A. Jimmy Doogan it up and
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Speaker 1: I want to punch him in his mouth. Yeah, he's
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Speaker 1: a draw, like a straight up alcoholic, because I feel
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Speaker 1: like this is one of those movies where they try
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Speaker 1: to just make him a drunk and it's like, no,
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Speaker 1: he's he has a problem right for sure, but it's
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Speaker 1: okay because he has a character arc and we like
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Speaker 1: him at the end. And then Tom Hanks wouldn't agree
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Speaker 1: to be in the movie if they're like and at
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Speaker 1: the end, you're still not likable. Yeah, so they're dealing
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Speaker 1: with him. They're dealing with all kinds of sexism and
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Speaker 1: all matter of things. And then it gets to the
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Speaker 1: point where the World Series is coming up and Dottie
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Speaker 1: and Kit are having some truly struggles and they're like, no,
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Speaker 1: we're not going to be on the same team anymore.
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Speaker 1: And then they play a game against each other because
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Speaker 1: Kick gets moved to a different team, which is like
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Speaker 1: a poor kid, not fair, right, I know, why can't
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Speaker 1: they just get along? Um? And then the Peaches end
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Speaker 1: up losing, but it's okay because everyone's happy and they
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Speaker 1: played baseball on their women. Yea. Well, then also there's
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Speaker 1: a war and Bill that we think Bill Palmer might
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Speaker 1: be dead for a second, but then it turns out
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Speaker 1: he just is limping a little bit and he's fine.
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Speaker 1: It's because Dottie is married to Bob. When he comes
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Speaker 1: in the room, Bob is truly the least sexy name. Never. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like for some reason, Bobby's okay with me. Bobby is
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Speaker 1: okay Bobby Kennedy. Oh, that's pretty much it. I have
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Speaker 1: a lot of frame pictures in my room. Jamie and
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Speaker 1: I could do an entire podcast about the Kennedy's The
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Speaker 1: Horny Horny Kennedy's Lates newest little podcast. Oh god, unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: I didn't expect to get like he's on this podcast.
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Speaker 1: I happened saying that happens on the Bechtel Cast. Quite
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Speaker 1: a boy. So this has been part two of male objectification.
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Speaker 1: Um all right, let's get back on track. Um so.
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Speaker 1: And then at the end the Peaches lose, but it's
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Speaker 1: fine because Dottie and Kit reconcile, and then they all
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Speaker 1: get together at the end when they're old ladies and
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Speaker 1: there's the there the Baseball Hall of Fame and everyone's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: remember way back when when people liked watching women's sports
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Speaker 1: for a few years, and then the men came back
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Speaker 1: from the war, no one cared about us anymore. What
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Speaker 1: a cool time. The end, How are your grandkids? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so that's the story of the League of their Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was like a very tight tight I got to
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Speaker 1: keep things type. Sometimes there's a lot to unpack with
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Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, what do we do? Want to go
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Speaker 1: by character? Right? Yeah? Where to start? One interesting thing
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Speaker 1: about the movie in the story is that the female
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Speaker 1: characters in the movie who are scouted to play baseball
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Speaker 1: in the league also have to be beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I I don't know. I mean, I'm sure that there's
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Speaker 1: some historical something to that. I couldn't find anything. They
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Speaker 1: didn't have to be beautiful per se, but they all
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Speaker 1: did actually get like makeovers and have to go to
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Speaker 1: an etiquette school. That part of that party is real
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Speaker 1: and the uniforms are not too far off. So it
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Speaker 1: was like the short. But also one of the things
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Speaker 1: that I did not remember from this movie at all
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Speaker 1: was the very opening scene where it's like the old
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Speaker 1: Gina Davis or whatever they for whatever reason, and it
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Speaker 1: makes it it's so psychotic. They dubbed Gina Davis actual
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Speaker 1: Gina Davis's voice with the woman who's playing her, and
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Speaker 1: it looks and sounds so crazy. I thought that was
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Speaker 1: Gina Davis, an old lady makeup. No, they're old actors.
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Speaker 1: It's an old actress. And then they had Gina Davis
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Speaker 1: like read her lines. Gina Davis, who, by the way,
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Speaker 1: has never looked better, except except maybe in Beetlejuice. She
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Speaker 1: is so hot in both of them. And she's also
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Speaker 1: a fellow tall woman. How tall she's like she's sixty, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she's six. And also apparently she's like a MENSA member.
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Speaker 1: She's a MENSA member, and she's like an Olympic archer.
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Speaker 1: Stop heard that? Yeah? She She also founded the Gina
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Speaker 1: Davis Jenner Studies for Jenner Studies Institute. She's an icon,
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Speaker 1: she's a feminist. She's like and I'm not even joking
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Speaker 1: usually I'm joking. I love her. So according to interviews
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Speaker 1: with Penny Marshall, who directed the movie, they and Gary
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Speaker 1: is in the movie too. Gary's in the movie too.
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Speaker 1: Because they couldn't afford anybody. They couldn't Gary come with me,
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Speaker 1: their brother and sister. Yeah, they couldn't afford another actor,
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Speaker 1: so she just had Gary doot for free. Andy. But
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Speaker 1: all of the actresses who were in the movie had
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Speaker 1: to actually be able to play baseball. So they had
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Speaker 1: open tryouts for all the actresses, and they had some
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Speaker 1: big name actresses who came to the tryouts who didn't
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Speaker 1: make it because they couldn't play baseball. Marissa tomay Uh
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Speaker 1: sent in a tape of her auditioning like playing baseball
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Speaker 1: on the set of My cousin Vinny being coached by
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Speaker 1: Joe PESHI where is that date? I don't know, Oh
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Speaker 1: my god, I wanted in my possession right now, But
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Speaker 1: she didn't make it because Penny was like it was
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Speaker 1: it was clear she wasn't a ball player. Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: they all did b they did. All the actresses did
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Speaker 1: almost all their own baseball stunts, and all of the
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Speaker 1: bruises and ship is all real. Yeah that yeah, that
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Speaker 1: that like huge like thigh like yeah, that was a
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Speaker 1: real one. Yeah. Nuts. Back on the characters, like, there
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Speaker 1: was a huge emphasis on them being attractive to be
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Speaker 1: able to play in the league, which of course is
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Speaker 1: like an insane double standard because like the men who
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Speaker 1: play baseball don't. You're not like you have to be
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Speaker 1: to be you don't even need to be athletic to be.
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Speaker 1: But because they were women, and they're like, well, who's
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Speaker 1: gonna want to watch women play baseball unless they're also attractive?
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Speaker 1: So that was a thing a choice for the movie
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Speaker 1: that you know, whether or not it was like super
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Speaker 1: historically accurate, totally like like it's something it's you know,
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Speaker 1: it's a standard that's placed on women all the time
20:51
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, who's gonna want to listen to
20:53
Speaker 1: you talk or see you do anything unless you're also
20:56
Speaker 1: very hot, And there's a scene where early on Marla,
20:59
Speaker 1: who was not traditionally beautiful, but she's a great baseball player.
21:04
Speaker 1: She's trying out and John Lovitt is like, oh no,
21:07
Speaker 1: because she's not on the team. And then her dad
21:14
Speaker 1: is all like, well, I know my daughter isn't as
21:16
Speaker 1: pretty easy as other girls, but I raised her like
21:19
Speaker 1: a boy because it was just me raising her, and
21:21
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I did a bad job, which is like
21:24
Speaker 1: that hilarious because it's as if like every single mother
21:30
Speaker 1: would have raised her son like a girl just because
21:32
Speaker 1: she didn't know any she just does. But there's the
21:36
Speaker 1: whole team boils out of me, like I'm so sorry
21:38
Speaker 1: my daughter looks like shit. Yeah, Like what he should
21:41
Speaker 1: have said is like what my daughter looks like has
21:44
Speaker 1: fun all to do with how well she can play baseball,
21:47
Speaker 1: which is very well. And fuck you for even suggesting
21:52
Speaker 1: that she shouldn't be on the team because she's not
21:54
Speaker 1: hot enough. That's what her dad should have said, and
21:56
Speaker 1: then he should have leaned into farm. But like, my
21:58
Speaker 1: daughter is so hot, no idea described her body anyway.
22:06
Speaker 1: So this is sort of a recurring theme throughout the movie,
22:10
Speaker 1: like the women have to be beautiful, like the newsreel
22:13
Speaker 1: thing like a little black and white like commercial almost
22:15
Speaker 1: it's talking about each of the members of the team,
22:18
Speaker 1: but it's always like looking out a triples, no reason
22:21
Speaker 1: to let your nose get shiny. It's like they're all
22:23
Speaker 1: talking about the women, not really how they play baseball,
22:26
Speaker 1: but it's that or like just like noting their like
22:31
Speaker 1: domestic abilities, just like that's how like Betty spaghetti, She's
22:35
Speaker 1: like she's making spaghetti and she loves to knit. Ellen
22:38
Speaker 1: Sue is a former Miss Georgia. Yeah. Like so it's
22:41
Speaker 1: either commenting on like no credit, yeah sound effect, how
22:47
Speaker 1: good looking they are, or how good they are at
22:50
Speaker 1: like domestic crap. It's crazy because they set the bar
22:52
Speaker 1: so low to say something about you. But there's still
22:54
Speaker 1: a norm where they're like, yeah, well don't they just
22:57
Speaker 1: go to Marla hoo and like not saying anything. Yeah,
23:01
Speaker 1: they're like what a hitter, And she's like in the background,
23:03
Speaker 1: you can barely see nothing. I want to talk about
23:07
Speaker 1: that like radio broadcast where the old lady is like
23:10
Speaker 1: careers in higher education are leading to the masculization of
23:13
Speaker 1: women with enormously dangerous consequences to the home, our children,
23:18
Speaker 1: and our country, and she's like the worst case of
23:20
Speaker 1: this is women playing baseball and blah blah blah. So
23:25
Speaker 1: exposition expedition that just to me serves as a reminder
23:30
Speaker 1: that not all women are feminist icons. Yeah, that's like
23:34
Speaker 1: one of the most empowering things in the entire world.
23:36
Speaker 1: You're like, someone are fucking muster. Yeah, realizing that and
23:41
Speaker 1: not being like literally I tweeted about this the other day,
23:46
Speaker 1: and there's some people who act like women support all
23:49
Speaker 1: like female public figures, like we're all just like Philish Lavely. Yes, right,
23:54
Speaker 1: it's just like in one world like, yeah, I'm not
23:58
Speaker 1: I don't like, I'm not ring with Betsy Devas intellectually. Yeah,
24:05
Speaker 1: some women are really shitty here first, Right, that's the
24:12
Speaker 1: main point that we try to make on this podcast. Yeah,
24:14
Speaker 1: not all women are feminists, and so yeah, women are
24:22
Speaker 1: just as guilty as men sometimes at reinforcing these dangerous
24:26
Speaker 1: gender roles and gender norms. Ivanka sigh, thank you. Yeah.
24:33
Speaker 1: The team names of the Lady Peaches, Peaches, the Bells,
24:40
Speaker 1: calls Up, calls Up an image, Yeah, all of those
24:43
Speaker 1: were really the real team names. Yeah. There's also the
24:47
Speaker 1: Blue Sox and the Comets, which are you know, specifically gender. Yeah,
24:54
Speaker 1: but you know, there's not like men's baseball teams called
24:58
Speaker 1: the Pickles. But that would be fun. But I would
25:01
Speaker 1: not be opposed to tackle things. You know, you love there.
25:09
Speaker 1: I love all the cartoony World War Two names in
25:12
Speaker 1: this movie. They're so funny. Also, I really think that
25:17
Speaker 1: Madonna was at her personal best in this movie. Yeah,
25:21
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, I think it's her all time best
25:23
Speaker 1: acting performance. She has an amazing dance scene that she does. Yeah,
25:29
Speaker 1: and she and she and Rosie have such a fun rapport. Yeah,
25:33
Speaker 1: the role she was born to play. I think. I agree,
25:35
Speaker 1: I agree, And apparently a talented baseball player, yeah, who knew? Yeah,
25:40
Speaker 1: So for everyone who's movie, I think should be saying
25:45
Speaker 1: a lot of like very common feminist things. More just
25:49
Speaker 1: to like, you know, build our audience. Yeah, just a
25:52
Speaker 1: yes break, just all vowels exactly, just like a men
26:00
Speaker 1: for like empowering vowels for women. Yeah. Of course, more
26:05
Speaker 1: on Madonna's character. So she's like the team. Yeah, like
26:11
Speaker 1: she gets slushamed, oh quite a major Yeah. Yeah, because
26:15
Speaker 1: her nickname is all the Way May, which is like
26:17
Speaker 1: a double on tundra. Also a great nickname that does
26:22
Speaker 1: a great nickname, especially um. And then there's the part
26:25
Speaker 1: where she's like, they're like trying to draw more of
26:28
Speaker 1: a crowd, and she's like, well, what if, like during
26:30
Speaker 1: a game, my uniform pops up into my bosoms fallout,
26:33
Speaker 1: And then Rosie O'donnald's character is like, do you think
26:36
Speaker 1: there's a man in this country who hasn't seen your bosoms?
26:39
Speaker 1: It's like, but she's never like I don't know, She's
26:43
Speaker 1: it's always yeah, it's yeah, it's playful. It's not like, oh,
26:48
Speaker 1: you stupid idiot for being a slit. Yeah. She she
26:53
Speaker 1: presented it as a joke. It was received as a joke.
26:56
Speaker 1: She teaches the girl carried to read us erotic erotic
27:02
Speaker 1: novels to work. It gets really good after this. It's
27:08
Speaker 1: a fund it's a fun movie. It's fun, but baseball sucks.
27:14
Speaker 1: That's this is where where you and I because you
27:17
Speaker 1: guys are both played. I'm I don't know. I was.
27:22
Speaker 1: I was a ballet gal. I know, but now you okay,
27:25
Speaker 1: well now you can dance, like in a pinch, you
27:28
Speaker 1: can dance. And I if it's an emergency, right, if
27:33
Speaker 1: someone's in trouble, I could to get out of an
27:38
Speaker 1: escape room, you can dance people. Yeah, that's why people
27:41
Speaker 1: bring me. I envy that because I have nothing from
27:46
Speaker 1: softball really besides me Like, well you could still, I
27:50
Speaker 1: mean you were playing this recently. Yeah no, but there
27:52
Speaker 1: are no like residual skills life. I disagree it. If
27:55
Speaker 1: an intruder comes into your house, you can take a
27:57
Speaker 1: bat and beat the ship out of there, but takes
28:00
Speaker 1: a lot less skilled than years of softball. That would
28:04
Speaker 1: be like, thank god, I was like, or I would
28:08
Speaker 1: be dead right now. Speaking of escape rooms, there's a
28:11
Speaker 1: thing to be said for men in escape rooms. Just
28:14
Speaker 1: like I'm in charge, I know what I'm doing. I
28:16
Speaker 1: need to have like I need to take control of
28:18
Speaker 1: the situation. Men in escape rooms very much the same. Yeah, god,
28:23
Speaker 1: escape rooms are you can't go with a man, you cannot.
28:27
Speaker 1: They need to be like keeping keep trying to go
28:30
Speaker 1: to go to an escape room with a man and
28:32
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. You can't. They're like, look behind
28:34
Speaker 1: the frame, there's a safe over here. Escape rooms are
28:40
Speaker 1: virtual terrible, but it is fun to I just want
28:44
Speaker 1: to put like a bunch of aggressive men in an
28:46
Speaker 1: escape room and to them trying to outfit each other.
28:50
Speaker 1: From finding NEMO and they would not get out, they
28:54
Speaker 1: would die. Oh there's a scene where like it reveals
28:59
Speaker 1: their uniform. Uh, we touched on this where it's like
29:02
Speaker 1: the short dresses that are not at all practical for
29:05
Speaker 1: playing any sport, and the women like push back. You see,
29:08
Speaker 1: like a lot of things are challenged. Also, a lot
29:11
Speaker 1: of things go unchallenged. But one of the things that
29:13
Speaker 1: they do challenge is the uniform, just like right at first,
29:16
Speaker 1: whenever they see and they're like, we can't what are
29:18
Speaker 1: you supposed to slide this? Like that's address, that's half address.
29:21
Speaker 1: What are we baseball players or ballerinas? So they're they're
29:24
Speaker 1: challenging it, but they still end up wearing them. So
29:27
Speaker 1: it's like they do right, yeah, but you know, just
29:33
Speaker 1: challenged it. Yeah, because I mean, I guess we we
29:36
Speaker 1: don't really know what happened, but hopefully what have happened,
29:40
Speaker 1: because there could not be a less practical It's just
29:45
Speaker 1: another example of a double standard where the men were like, oh,
29:49
Speaker 1: here's a practical thing to play and sliding in that
29:51
Speaker 1: truly must have been such a bit because like even
29:55
Speaker 1: sliding when you like when I played I played softball
29:58
Speaker 1: for a long time, as I said, and uh, you'd
30:01
Speaker 1: wear like sliding shorts which were padded shorts underneath your
30:05
Speaker 1: uniform shorts because sliding hurts so much, and even with
30:10
Speaker 1: those you would get caught up a little bit. So
30:13
Speaker 1: I can only met these these women must have just
30:17
Speaker 1: been like bleeding all the time. Jesus, let's talk about
30:21
Speaker 1: let's talk about some some individual characters. Sure, well, Dottie.
30:26
Speaker 1: What do we think of Dottie? I like Dottie. I
30:28
Speaker 1: mean we see, like right away how great of a
30:30
Speaker 1: player she is. She advocates for her sister, so she's
30:33
Speaker 1: lifting other women up but then ragging her back down
30:38
Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, but team to me, I at treated
30:41
Speaker 1: that more to like a sibling rivalry than like, uh,
30:45
Speaker 1: I'm competing with you because you're another woman kind of thing.
30:49
Speaker 1: But it's it's hard to say, like it could be
30:51
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of both. I don't know. She's
30:54
Speaker 1: the rock of the store like everything. Well, first of all,
30:56
Speaker 1: she's based on the real Dottie Collins, who was up
31:00
Speaker 1: a player for the Rockford Peaches, who played in the
31:03
Speaker 1: league for six years and pitched like seventeen shutouts. Like, oh,
31:08
Speaker 1: she was a picture, not a catcher. Yeah, she was
31:10
Speaker 1: a pitcher. Yeah, so she was this incredible player. But yeah,
31:14
Speaker 1: Dottie the character actually I don't know if this is
31:18
Speaker 1: like crossing movies too much, but like reminds me of
31:21
Speaker 1: Julia Stiles is character in Mona Lisa Smile because she
31:25
Speaker 1: has a lot of aptitude and she has a lot
31:28
Speaker 1: of potential to do other stuff. Like clearly Dottie is
31:30
Speaker 1: like very smart. She does math in her head. Uh
31:35
Speaker 1: like the other girls. I like the other girls. She's
31:37
Speaker 1: a great baseball player. She could do more with her life,
31:40
Speaker 1: and like other people tell her that she could do more,
31:43
Speaker 1: and she's like, actually, I'm I choose to go back
31:46
Speaker 1: to my family, which is what Julia Styles character does.
31:50
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that movie in a long time. It's
31:53
Speaker 1: the sweaters are incredible in that movie. It's a great
31:56
Speaker 1: sweater never seen it. It's fun for the sweaters. You
32:02
Speaker 1: can watch on mute, just a lot of it, mute, Donnie.
32:10
Speaker 1: I mean, she's great, obviously, I don't dislike her, but
32:14
Speaker 1: there's she's not the best. She's not the most interesting character, right, Like,
32:18
Speaker 1: she's not really flawed in any interesting She's like the
32:22
Speaker 1: control group of Yeah, the characters I think which which
32:26
Speaker 1: might even be and I genuinely avoid sports movies that
32:30
Speaker 1: might even be a sports movie trope of like the
32:32
Speaker 1: Leader is like that, but I would have been interested
32:36
Speaker 1: to see a more flawed character or so, you know,
32:40
Speaker 1: like she doesn't really funk up ever, except like she
32:43
Speaker 1: fights with her sisters sometimes. But I think that that's
32:46
Speaker 1: why I gravitate towards Kit, because she sucks up constantly,
32:51
Speaker 1: but also it's very dynamic, and like it's always I
32:54
Speaker 1: don't know, well that a dynamic because like, um, there's
32:58
Speaker 1: a game where kids like not pitching very well. Gina
33:02
Speaker 1: Davis is like, yeah, we should take her out of
33:04
Speaker 1: the game, although at first she's like, no, she's doing fine,
33:07
Speaker 1: And then Jimmy Dugan is like, really, is what are
33:10
Speaker 1: you thinking? Like he like swallowed a bucket of flegm
33:15
Speaker 1: before delivering each line. Too much, it's too much dial
33:19
Speaker 1: it back. Yeah, So then Dottie's like, you know what,
33:22
Speaker 1: Actually she's pitching grapefruits or something like that, and Kid
33:25
Speaker 1: gets mad. I feel like their argument, their conflict is
33:30
Speaker 1: Kit sort of just being immature and like not willing
33:34
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that like maybe she shouldn't keep playing when
33:37
Speaker 1: she's like, well, that's like her, but she's wrong, Like
33:41
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like she's Gina Davis is right
33:44
Speaker 1: and she's never wrong, and I think that's like kind
33:48
Speaker 1: of what like I almost felt like a little I'm like,
33:50
Speaker 1: we get it. Years I was, yeah, well, the character
33:54
Speaker 1: to me was the most notable character arc is Jimmy Dougan.
33:59
Speaker 1: Like everyone this is just sort of like, yeah, we
34:01
Speaker 1: have a little thing and then but like everyone pretty
34:03
Speaker 1: much stays the same and it's generally pretty static, but
34:07
Speaker 1: then he kind of does do it one eight. Yeah. Yeah.
34:09
Speaker 1: I also I just think it's so weird how there's
34:14
Speaker 1: like a sexual tension between Dottie and Jimmy Dugan. Yeah,
34:18
Speaker 1: that does not check out for me, But I mean
34:21
Speaker 1: nor does Gina Davis and Bill Pullman with a lamp.
34:25
Speaker 1: But Bob, he's like, oh and then he I wrote
34:31
Speaker 1: this time he's like he says, you're the most beautiful
34:34
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. I was like, he objectifyed Gina Davis.
34:37
Speaker 1: How could you? How could you? And she says she
34:41
Speaker 1: doesn't care. She's Bob's thing. Oh to be. I mean,
34:52
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make is it's you know,
34:54
Speaker 1: not the best thing ever that the character with the
34:56
Speaker 1: most notable character arc is the moment right, I mean,
35:01
Speaker 1: playing Devil's advocate. I could see the argument that it's
35:05
Speaker 1: not the women in the movie who have to change.
35:08
Speaker 1: They're trying to exist in a space as themselves and
35:12
Speaker 1: that's their real challenge. Where it's like the attitudes of
35:15
Speaker 1: the men in the league that need to change from
35:19
Speaker 1: the moment one. It's like the only person in this
35:22
Speaker 1: in this movie who actually is so flawed that he
35:25
Speaker 1: needs to change is Jimmy Dugan, Right, So like none
35:29
Speaker 1: of the basically, I think that's saying like, like all
35:32
Speaker 1: the women are fine and Jimmy Dugan is a fucking mess,
35:35
Speaker 1: which which is which is pretty much true. It's true,
35:38
Speaker 1: But there still could have been, Like it hasn't more
35:40
Speaker 1: dedication to like Dottie's character, she could have still had
35:43
Speaker 1: an arc in some way. It doesn't mean she needed
35:46
Speaker 1: to start out shitty and end up being like, oh
35:48
Speaker 1: I'm trying, I'm a better person now, like she still
35:50
Speaker 1: could have been. I totally agree. I mean, there's I
35:53
Speaker 1: think that really the only like I mean, there's like
35:55
Speaker 1: little stuff like there's a girl that learned how to read.
35:57
Speaker 1: There's like all that, you know, there's like little stuff.
35:59
Speaker 1: But the arc of the female character I liked was
36:02
Speaker 1: Kit because she don't like that. In that end scene
36:06
Speaker 1: with Dottie and Kit, Kid basically realizes that she wasn't
36:10
Speaker 1: like battling her sister, she was battling being insecure and
36:14
Speaker 1: then was I'm like almost crying. It's a beautiful scene.
36:19
Speaker 1: And then she she you know, she's just like, oh,
36:22
Speaker 1: you should stay, and Jina Davis is like, no, I
36:24
Speaker 1: had to go get pregnant from Bill Pullman, which what
36:28
Speaker 1: a crazy plan for your night. But and and you
36:34
Speaker 1: see like the sister relationship at the end where Dottie's
36:37
Speaker 1: that was one moment where I was like, yeah, Doddie's
36:40
Speaker 1: cool because more I'm like Diddy's boring. But when she's
36:43
Speaker 1: like happy for Kit when Kit wins because Kit, and
36:45
Speaker 1: then she says you wanted it more, which she did. Yeah,
36:48
Speaker 1: because like Dottie was never she didn't have her heart
36:51
Speaker 1: into which is another weird thing about this movie. The
36:53
Speaker 1: protagonist is not into baseball really, and she's like, okay,
36:58
Speaker 1: this is what I think. Okay again, I'm going to
37:02
Speaker 1: draw the parallel to Julius Styles's character and Lisa smile.
37:05
Speaker 1: I think she is really into it, but it's like
37:08
Speaker 1: the culture of the times dictated her life so much
37:12
Speaker 1: because she was clearly into it enough that she played
37:14
Speaker 1: enough that she was great at it, and she played
37:17
Speaker 1: in a farm league and learned the game inside it out,
37:20
Speaker 1: but felt her sense of duty to like whatever the
37:24
Speaker 1: cultural bullshit was at the time was just like overpowered that. Yeah. Yeah,
37:31
Speaker 1: I mean in that same scene where Gene Davis is like,
37:34
Speaker 1: I gotta go have babies, and Tank girls like you
37:37
Speaker 1: can have babies next year, and she's like, no, I
37:39
Speaker 1: gonna have babies today. Sorry, I'm pretty sure that's exactly
37:43
Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, Bell Pollen has got a heart on it.
37:48
Speaker 1: He's got a limp. I've got to be accommodating. He's
37:52
Speaker 1: got a limp. The clock is ticking, my bob. Another
37:58
Speaker 1: interesting thing that happens in the movie is I think
38:00
Speaker 1: it's during the first game Dottie hits a home run.
38:03
Speaker 1: The announcer attributes the great thing that she did to
38:08
Speaker 1: Jimmy Dougan, being like, oh, he knew what to he
38:11
Speaker 1: told her the right thing to do, and like, so
38:13
Speaker 1: credit going to the wrong person, which happens a lot.
38:18
Speaker 1: And it's an example of just the assumption that if
38:22
Speaker 1: a woman does something good, it's because a man taught
38:24
Speaker 1: her how to do it or is somehow behind it,
38:27
Speaker 1: and it's dumb. Let's not do that anymore society. Tom
38:32
Speaker 1: Hankson's movie is just I mean again, just a bit.
38:36
Speaker 1: And then there he has I read this down his
38:38
Speaker 1: line at the end where he basically delivers the moral
38:42
Speaker 1: of the movie where I was just like, oh, come on,
38:45
Speaker 1: Like when he's trying to convince Dottie to stay, it's
38:48
Speaker 1: like baseball lights you up. It's what's inside you. And
38:51
Speaker 1: then she says it just got too hard, which I
38:54
Speaker 1: think is the better this movie, and a nudgell But
38:57
Speaker 1: then he says, it's supposed to be hard. If it
39:00
Speaker 1: wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard is what
39:02
Speaker 1: makes it great, and it's just like, shut up. Like
39:07
Speaker 1: Tom hanks getting to be the moral compass of this
39:10
Speaker 1: movie is of course, because he would not agree to
39:12
Speaker 1: do a movie in which he was not the moral company.
39:14
Speaker 1: I think he might be a sociopath, but but likes
39:19
Speaker 1: the most famous line of the movie, which is one
39:22
Speaker 1: of the most famous lines in modern cinema. I want
39:28
Speaker 1: to tell he says five times, they don't cry to baseball,
39:31
Speaker 1: You just keep shut up. So the implication there with
39:35
Speaker 1: that line is that there's no crying in baseball because
39:38
Speaker 1: when it is a girl thing and baseball is a
39:42
Speaker 1: boy thing, the two can't intersect. The thing is, whenever
39:47
Speaker 1: men and boys are taught to not bet, you can't
39:50
Speaker 1: be vulnerable, you can't be emotional because you're a pussy
39:54
Speaker 1: if you are. Uh, the patriarchy is damaging to women
39:58
Speaker 1: and men. Well, men, it's okay to cry. Cry your
40:02
Speaker 1: little heart out. There is crying in baseball. Yeah. In fact,
40:05
Speaker 1: the only time I consistently see men cry is during
40:09
Speaker 1: sporting Yes. Yeah, so there is a lot of fucking
40:13
Speaker 1: crying in baseball. And have you seen the Little League
40:18
Speaker 1: World Series anyone? No? Wait, oh, are there a lot
40:21
Speaker 1: of crying? Daddy's there? Well, no, there's the kids are
40:25
Speaker 1: mess Oh. I mean, well that's the best obviously. Yeah.
40:29
Speaker 1: I get used to it. Bit life's hard. Oh. Another
40:32
Speaker 1: fun thing that Jimmy Dugan says, I haven't got ball players.
40:36
Speaker 1: I've got girls. Girls I want to sleep with after
40:38
Speaker 1: the game, not coach during the game. Hilarious, hilarious, good job.
40:42
Speaker 1: When he does that, he doesn't. He does a bunch
40:44
Speaker 1: of and I know it's supposed to be like he
40:46
Speaker 1: sucks now, but wait until the end when he says,
40:48
Speaker 1: you know, at the beginning he's like broad suck. At
40:50
Speaker 1: the end he's like, broads are good. He's like, you
40:54
Speaker 1: are a ball player. Drilogy, and that's what we call
40:58
Speaker 1: a character arc. You get boiled down to that. And
41:03
Speaker 1: then he has that prayer scene to where he's like, Jesus,
41:07
Speaker 1: remember that waitress I fucked or like whatever, and he's like,
41:11
Speaker 1: you know, because she was a screw reaming your name,
41:14
Speaker 1: which is Tom Hanks being like declaring he has that
41:17
Speaker 1: good d which is like he's got a great pickle
41:20
Speaker 1: to tickle women with. No way, Tom Tom Hanks for
41:24
Speaker 1: sure has a flesh love where no way, he's fully dickless.
41:34
Speaker 1: He is. Yeah, he's a smooth boy, and not to
41:37
Speaker 1: hate on it. I love a smooth boy. I love
41:41
Speaker 1: a guy with oh man, oh, Jimmy Dugan surprised kisses
41:45
Speaker 1: a woman whenever he's on the bus. He's on the
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Speaker 1: bus and she drunk. She's the one. She's like like
41:54
Speaker 1: the chaperone chaperone who's been appointed look after and he's
41:58
Speaker 1: like waking around because the bus drive or just quit
42:00
Speaker 1: and then surprise. Every single movie has a surprise kiss.
42:05
Speaker 1: It's so annoying. But he is like waking up from
42:08
Speaker 1: a drunken stupor and he just grabs her and kisses her,
42:12
Speaker 1: and she's like and then when he realizes what he does,
42:14
Speaker 1: because she's another, you know, not classically beautiful woman by
42:19
Speaker 1: Western standards, and he's like, oh, oh my god, I'm
42:23
Speaker 1: so gross, and he like chugs some whiskey and then
42:25
Speaker 1: spits it out over the bus floor and then he
42:28
Speaker 1: slaps her ass later in the movie, but show that
42:31
Speaker 1: he's changed as a character, and he's like, no, I
42:33
Speaker 1: would touch you before I sectually sell accident, but now
42:37
Speaker 1: I'm sexually saulting you on because I mean, we've already
42:46
Speaker 1: talked at length about how it's not okay to surprise
42:49
Speaker 1: kiss the person. I just wanted to make note that
42:51
Speaker 1: that does in this movie. She's Louise. Yeah, well this
43:00
Speaker 1: is Rachel Whites. He's like a caged animal and lunges
43:05
Speaker 1: at her. It's startling, looks so crazy. Now, we were
43:09
Speaker 1: just talking about how we think he might be covered
43:11
Speaker 1: in scats. Oh god, we don't know. Oh jeez, what
43:16
Speaker 1: was gonna saying? Well, I thought about it, and he
43:22
Speaker 1: couldn't play Tom Hanks's part. He's too good of an actor.
43:27
Speaker 1: I would say, swap out Mollina and love it. If
43:30
Speaker 1: anything but I want, I would give it to Uh.
43:34
Speaker 1: He's the one who at first he's like, you guys
43:37
Speaker 1: don't want to play in these dresses when you could
43:40
Speaker 1: it off. And then later he's like, man, people love
43:42
Speaker 1: you girls playing baseball and take over the league. He's
43:45
Speaker 1: a great he's a master of his craft. He could
43:47
Speaker 1: sell that. Or if we're going in full beefcake, swap
43:51
Speaker 1: out Pullman and Molina and then we have very different
43:56
Speaker 1: I want to see Gina that Davis make out with Alford. Yes,
43:59
Speaker 1: I think that that. It's like, that's a better math
44:01
Speaker 1: than that's such a better match than Gina Davis, Bill
44:04
Speaker 1: Pullman a loveless marriage. At the end where she's like
44:08
Speaker 1: I don't need baseball. I have Bob, It's like, what
44:12
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like I can't wait to quick
44:15
Speaker 1: comedy and just like I have Bob, I met someone
44:17
Speaker 1: named Bob and I don't need to do this thing
44:20
Speaker 1: any I have him now, I'm I'm actively looking for
44:23
Speaker 1: a reason to stop. For Molina is a national treasure
44:28
Speaker 1: and the first Broadway show I ever saw was Fiddler
44:32
Speaker 1: on the Roof shut Alfred Molina as incredible. I had
44:37
Speaker 1: no idea just he must have been the I mean,
44:41
Speaker 1: I've seen he's the perfect. He's the perfect. Deputy's the perfect.
44:46
Speaker 1: I don't know who I think I'm kidding. Of course,
44:47
Speaker 1: everything knows videos. He's such a he can do anything,
44:50
Speaker 1: he can do anything, he can do anything. Um when
44:53
Speaker 1: one last thing I want to say, Sorry to interrupt
44:56
Speaker 1: your Alfred Molina discussion. There's a short scene sandwiched in
45:00
Speaker 1: the middle of a montage later in the movie where
45:03
Speaker 1: a ball lands and it's near a black woman's foot
45:07
Speaker 1: and she picks it up and dotties like, throw it here,
45:10
Speaker 1: and she's nearby, and she's like, I'm going to actually
45:12
Speaker 1: throw it even farther because I'm good at baseball too.
45:15
Speaker 1: That says in a real person, right, is it? Oh?
45:17
Speaker 1: I'm not sure? And they're like, wow, she was good
45:21
Speaker 1: at throwing. The woman just sort of like gives them
45:23
Speaker 1: a little like nod. I mean, the implication is that
45:26
Speaker 1: she isn't allowed to play. She's not allowed to play.
45:29
Speaker 1: I looked up the color line. The color line in
45:33
Speaker 1: American baseball excluded, Yeah, excluded players of black African descent
45:41
Speaker 1: from Major League Baseball and its affiliated minor leagues until seven.
45:46
Speaker 1: So yeah, the implication is that she wouldn't have been
45:48
Speaker 1: allowed to play. The movie only spends like twenty seconds
45:52
Speaker 1: or less addressing like, oh, black people couldn't play baseball
45:56
Speaker 1: yet because it's a very white movie, understandably so because
45:59
Speaker 1: of the air. But I was like, it would have
46:01
Speaker 1: been nice for the movie to maybe address it a
46:03
Speaker 1: little more, like if there was like a black player,
46:06
Speaker 1: like maybe trying to try out and they're like, no,
46:09
Speaker 1: we're a bunch of shitty racists, so you can or something.
46:12
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just it felt weird that like,
46:14
Speaker 1: if you blank, you would miss that scene. Yeah, So
46:16
Speaker 1: I just wish it would have been addressed a little
46:18
Speaker 1: more thoroughly. I think, well, I think I actually I
46:22
Speaker 1: like the way that they I think it, you know,
46:24
Speaker 1: absolutely too short. The scene is definitely short, But I
46:28
Speaker 1: think that if they had really over explained it, it
46:31
Speaker 1: would have come off as almost like like I think
46:34
Speaker 1: I think it's just like giving the audience enough credit
46:36
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, it's obvious that she's not allowed
46:39
Speaker 1: to play, and then her coming into the scene makes
46:43
Speaker 1: you realize, oh, everyone on these teams is white, right right?
46:46
Speaker 1: I mean, which I guess you know you might not
46:50
Speaker 1: have noticed already. Yeah, there's a famous black female picture
46:54
Speaker 1: that I read about the named Mamie Johnson. Who. I
46:58
Speaker 1: think that that character is supposed to some sort of
47:01
Speaker 1: nod to or she was like a famous pitcher who
47:03
Speaker 1: ended up pitching in men's leagues for several years in
47:07
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. So interesting. Another bit of trivia. The
47:11
Speaker 1: woman who played kit Lorie Patty, was when she was
47:14
Speaker 1: growing up, she played she was the only girl on
47:17
Speaker 1: a boys baseball team, so she like she she didn't
47:20
Speaker 1: need to she already had this and during so during filming,
47:24
Speaker 1: she pitched more than most Major League baseball pitchers do
47:29
Speaker 1: in an entire season. That's amazing, tank Girl? Why do
47:33
Speaker 1: you keep calling? What is that? I don't know the
47:35
Speaker 1: reference either? She plays tank girl? What does tank Girl?
47:37
Speaker 1: It's like a really weird superhero movie. It was like
47:40
Speaker 1: a notorious flop. Okay, yeah, oh, I think I've seen
47:48
Speaker 1: the character of kit Is. For most of the movie
47:51
Speaker 1: before her arc she is just like a almost like
47:55
Speaker 1: a Charlie Brown Peanuts character. She's just like humph, it's
48:00
Speaker 1: so I mean, like she's a grown she's a grown woman.
48:04
Speaker 1: But even when she's like melcol at Cow and she's
48:05
Speaker 1: like why can't I play, It's like what are you?
48:09
Speaker 1: She She like acts like a little boy, but I
48:12
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, she's like a little rascal. The final
48:15
Speaker 1: little thing I wanted to say was because this movie
48:18
Speaker 1: takes place in the forties, but it came out in summer.
48:20
Speaker 1: It came out in July nine two, just Shy of
48:24
Speaker 1: Yours Truly's premiere Onto This Earth. I mean, it was
48:27
Speaker 1: a very successful movie. It did very well, and I
48:30
Speaker 1: just was thinking about, like what the climate was when
48:34
Speaker 1: this movie came out, and like how that would inform
48:37
Speaker 1: how I did. But this is like when Hillary Clinton's
48:39
Speaker 1: like heavily on the campaign trail like this the summer
48:43
Speaker 1: this movie comes out, she's like sort of whatever, making
48:46
Speaker 1: her debut of sorts, um builds an office, She's on
48:52
Speaker 1: the campaign because this came out before the election. Yeah,
48:57
Speaker 1: she was. She was definitely the most vocal first lady
49:01
Speaker 1: and she was until that point she had the most
49:04
Speaker 1: like policy, say, probably of any first lady for sure,
49:07
Speaker 1: for sure, So I don't know, it's like, what was
49:10
Speaker 1: it like for women in great Yeah, I guess she
49:13
Speaker 1: got a lot of ship for saying when a reporter
49:16
Speaker 1: asked why she was like focusing so much on policy,
49:19
Speaker 1: where she was like, I'm not just going to stay
49:20
Speaker 1: home and bake cookies. And she got so much shit
49:24
Speaker 1: about that as recently as today on Twitter right now.
49:32
Speaker 1: Any other final thoughts that anyone has about the movie?
49:35
Speaker 1: Of course, this movie passes the Bechdel tests like a
49:37
Speaker 1: thousand times. We didn't talk about Rosie at all at all,
49:41
Speaker 1: and I know that we can't really know, but I
49:43
Speaker 1: just want to say my final my my parting thought
49:46
Speaker 1: about this movie is that the story of every movie
49:48
Speaker 1: ever is that Tom Hanks gained thirty pounds for this
49:51
Speaker 1: movie and was encouraged to eat as much as possible.
49:54
Speaker 1: And it said Rosie O'Donnell was told to eat as
49:57
Speaker 1: little as which is the story of every movie every
50:04
Speaker 1: damn it uh. Female director Penny Marshall, written by so
50:11
Speaker 1: the story credit story right well, Kim Wilson and Kelly
50:18
Speaker 1: Kelly is a man by the way, I thought Kelly was.
50:21
Speaker 1: I didn't. I just assumed how gender normantive. I need
50:23
Speaker 1: to assume that Kelly is a woman. Well that we
50:25
Speaker 1: have at least one and his mother played in in
50:29
Speaker 1: the League. Cool, but yeah, all the most of the
50:35
Speaker 1: writing credits are it's Lowell and then there's a Kim.
50:41
Speaker 1: I'm guessing Kim is a woman. But maybe I think
50:44
Speaker 1: Kim is a woman. I'm saying the screenplay was written
50:46
Speaker 1: by Lowell, Gans and Bubble, and but then there's like
50:50
Speaker 1: a story by credit from Kelly and Kim. I almost
50:54
Speaker 1: panicked because I thought I had somehow made up Bubble
50:59
Speaker 1: know you, it was on point. I was about to
51:01
Speaker 1: be like, where could that have possibly come from? Shout
51:04
Speaker 1: out to Babbalu still alive. But yeah, the movie passes
51:07
Speaker 1: the back to test a bunch of times, pretty much.
51:09
Speaker 1: I'd say in most scenes, they're only a handful of
51:12
Speaker 1: scenes where like two dudes are talking and there aren't
51:14
Speaker 1: any women, and those are the worst scenes, boring and
51:18
Speaker 1: usually they're talking about how women suck. But yeah, a
51:22
Speaker 1: ton of scenes past the backtel tests. So yeah, no
51:26
Speaker 1: surprise there. Let's write the movie on our nipple scale
51:30
Speaker 1: zero to five nipples. Based on its portrayal of women,
51:33
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it. I think like a four or
51:36
Speaker 1: four and a half. It's it's going to rate pretty
51:38
Speaker 1: highly for me. It's annoying that the main character arc
51:43
Speaker 1: goes to a man and like I didn't even mention that.
51:47
Speaker 1: Like John Lavitce is like, we'll pay you seventy five
51:49
Speaker 1: dollars a week, whereas the top paid men baseball players
51:53
Speaker 1: of that era we're earning up to like fifty grand
51:55
Speaker 1: a year or more, which is, hey, guess what more
51:59
Speaker 1: than seventy five dollars a week. I did that math
52:01
Speaker 1: in my head. Wow, not like the other girl. Yeah,
52:07
Speaker 1: just so you know, sheds light on a bunch of
52:12
Speaker 1: different double standards that women face. So um yeah, it's
52:15
Speaker 1: just a cool movie. It's cool to see a sports
52:18
Speaker 1: movie about women. You almost never do. It's never cool
52:21
Speaker 1: to see a sports movie. But fuck you mighty ducks. Yeah,
52:27
Speaker 1: but we're taking the ducks to tax today on the facts. Okay,
52:33
Speaker 1: I'll never be able to run for office because I said,
52:35
Speaker 1: fuck the We're sticking it to the ducks. Yes, okay,
52:41
Speaker 1: So yeah, cool to watch a bunch of kickass ladies
52:43
Speaker 1: who are good at playing baseball be good at baseball,
52:45
Speaker 1: and it's a fun movie. So yeah, I'm gonna go
52:47
Speaker 1: with a four. I'm gonna give John Lovett too nipples
52:51
Speaker 1: and they do look like small kosher deal pickles, and yeah,
53:00
Speaker 1: just like rubbing his chest on his wife. The other
53:07
Speaker 1: two i'll give to Marla. I'll give it a four
53:10
Speaker 1: as well. Agree with what you're saying. I wish that
53:13
Speaker 1: we saw more flaws, and I like it really did
53:16
Speaker 1: bug me seeing like Dottie. I mean, you could have
53:20
Speaker 1: very easily given her one of Tom Hanks's problems. You know,
53:23
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be out of the question for a woman
53:26
Speaker 1: to have a drinking problem, speaking as one who's actively
53:29
Speaker 1: developing one. But like, I mean, she was up against
53:32
Speaker 1: a lot but didn't have any Achilles heel, and that
53:36
Speaker 1: was annoying and Tom Hanks is annoying and baseball's boring.
53:40
Speaker 1: Four nipples. I'll give two of the nipples to Oh,
53:48
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give all four nipples to the cow. Oh yeah,
53:51
Speaker 1: we see cow literal cot utter nipples. Yeah, yeah, there
53:56
Speaker 1: are exposed nips. Yeah. Well, because this movie was integral
54:02
Speaker 1: to my childhood and my development into the nightmare that
54:05
Speaker 1: I am today. I will give this five nipples a
54:12
Speaker 1: couple of months. Yeah, it's really hard for me to
54:16
Speaker 1: be objective about this movie because it is my childhood.
54:19
Speaker 1: And I think it was really nice to see because
54:22
Speaker 1: I think so often in movies that are written and
54:26
Speaker 1: directed by men where their female characters, the female characters
54:30
Speaker 1: are so flawed. I didn't really care that Dottie didn't
54:33
Speaker 1: have like Dottie was like perfect or whatever. I really
54:36
Speaker 1: didn't care. And also there was such a great variety
54:39
Speaker 1: of different personalities among the characters, like a like a
54:45
Speaker 1: brassy Long Island one Dolores. Uh yeah, Rosie was great.
54:50
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I just I really liked it. I love baseball.
54:53
Speaker 1: I don't care who knows, you're never going to get
54:57
Speaker 1: You're right, I baseball hating heathens. I really liked it,
55:04
Speaker 1: and I will give all the nipples to Madonna's kick
55:07
Speaker 1: gas dancing in the Julia, thank you so much for
55:12
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55:14
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55:16
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55:18
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56:01
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