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- 0:23Yes, we are going to get to a history class today.
- 0:26I know you were wondering about it.
- 0:28And we're gonna we're gonna get it uh here at the top, top and center, but I also want to look at this uh this case before the Supreme Court.
- 0:42This is the miss the Mississippi case, where the Supreme Court is they're set to determine if uh late a lot uh late arriving absentee ballots or um mail in ballots if if these are to be accepted, and this is I I think this is something we you know I said the other day we have to pay very close attention to this, and there is some skepticism coming out of the court, uh and it's a good thing, skepticism towards this law, this Mississippi law.
- 1:20So I do want to I want to get into that a little bit.
- 1:23Also, I want to look at an article from Kara Michelle Miller from the Epoch Times.
- 1:29We have gone over her stuff recently, and she has a piece out a couple days ago called What Happens When Teachers Are Replaced by Screens.
- 1:39Bum bum bum.
- 1:42It's very interesting, and I do want to want to take a look at that.
- 1:46But first, my friends, it's history class, have a seat somewhere in the front, somewhere in the front row, pull up a pencil, notepad, take notes.
- 1:58I'm sure you are.
- 1:59I mean, okay, you you're probably not taking notes.
- 2:02I mean, if you're like me, you are because you're geeky.
- 2:06You're geeky when it comes to history class.
- 2:08But maybe you're not like me.
- 2:09Maybe you're not a geek about this sort of thing.
- 2:121634, we're going back to 1634, the very beginning of the colonial period here.
- 2:20Uh, about 200 English settlers climbed off of two small ships.
- 2:25The name of these ships are the Ark and the Dove.
- 2:30That's their names, the Ark and the Dove.
- 2:32They anchored in the Potomac, and then they rode ashore to a slice of land that they would name St.
- 2:39Clement's Island.
- 2:41And it was there that they they built a cross, and they held a Thanksgiving service.
- 2:47It was the beginning, what would be the beginning of Maryland, Maryland?
- 2:53It was the beginning of the colony of Maryland.
- 2:57And it was really a good day for religious freedom.
- 3:02I mean, that's what happened really when Maryland was founded.
- 3:07It was an expansion of religious freedom.
- 3:10Really, every colony was a venture into religious freedom.
- 3:16Maryland was an expansion of that freedom.
- 3:19It was founded by uh Cecilius Calvert, also known as Lord Baltimore, and it was Lord Baltimore who received the charter from King Charles.
- 3:31And it was uh, I mean, it was an obscene amount of land, like 12 million acres.
- 3:37And this this, of course, was given to him at the northern end of the Chesapeake Bay.
- 3:42Lord Baltimore is a Roman Catholic.
- 3:45And he was he was a Roman Catholic at a time when Catholics were persecuted in England.
- 3:53Uh, but it was the king who gave him this tract of land, these 12 million acres, so he could uh create his own colony where where Catholics could then worship freely.
- 4:04This was an opportunity for an even further expansion of religious liberty.
- 4:11Uh, it was uh Calvert who told the king that he was naming Maryland in honor of the king's wife, Queen Henrietta Maria.
- 4:23But um, of course, this made King Charles happy that Maryland would be named after his wife, Queen Henrietta Maria.
- 4:32But Catholics quietly understood and quietly believed that Maryland was named in honor of Mary, the mother of Jesus.
- 4:42That's what they understood it to be.
- 4:44That this that the naming of it after the queen was a ruse, just to make the king and queen happy.
- 4:51In reality, it was Maryland is named after Mary, the mother of Jesus.
- 4:56So here, Lord Baltimore really wanted Maryland to be a place where where both Catholics and Protestants could worship freely, and he wanted it to be a place for both because he really need help from the partisans from the Protestants in order to settle the colony.
- 5:15He needed the Protestants to come along, come on board and aid him in the settlement.
- 5:21In 1649, the colonial assembly passed a toleration act, which guaranteed that no Christian in Maryland would be in quote any ways troubled, molested, or discounted for or in report of his or her religion, nor in the free exercise thereof.
- 5:44Such toleration led Puritans and Quakers to flee to Maryland from Virginia because you know, Virginia was still dominated by the Church of England, the Anglicans there, and they were persecuting everybody who was an Anglican.
- 5:59And so you had uh Puritans and Quakers leaving Virginia and going to Maryland because Maryland opened it up and Maryland became renowned, renowned and renowned for its religious liberties.
- 6:21But by their standards, they're not.
- 6:23They're they're they're groundbreaking.
- 6:26It's a new way of thinking.
- 6:27The mind is continually being opened.
- 6:31Uh the liberties of Maryland applied uh uh only to Christians, but uh again, it was it was groundbreaking because it was you know, next door in Virginia, you had to be Anglican, but the expansion happened to all Christianity in uh Maryland.
- 6:50Uh there were times in the colony's history when Catholics and Protestants fought each other, um, as you know, people do.
- 6:58But nonetheless, Maryland's Toleration Act was one historic one historic step forward for freedom.
- 7:06It laid down a principle now central to our our way of life that um the free exercise of religion could not be infringed upon.
- 7:18So there it is, the landing of the Ark and the Dove.
- 7:22Perhaps two ships that you were that you were unaware of, uh, but maybe two ships that we should become more aware of.
- 7:29And so that's why, my friends, why we go to history class because we need to be made aware of this stuff.
- 7:35This is the beginning, the expansion of religious liberty.
- 7:39It's really that the purpose of the country.
- 7:42It's why people came originally in the beginning.
- 7:45They came for religious and civil liberty.
- 7:49They they came for freedom, and they knew if they would just be left alone, if if the king would just keep his dirty paws off of their freedom and offer their liberty, that things would things would work out okay.
- 8:07Things would be good, they would it would be just fine.
- 8:11All right, my friends, there it is.
- 8:13There's history class.
- 8:14And is it just fine?
- 8:15I mean, uh I think in the grand scheme of things, it's better than anywhere else on the planet.
- 8:24Uh, but we have to improve upon it.
- 8:27And this is what the the progressives claimed that we have to improve upon the constitution by destroying it ultimately, my words, not theirs, but my opinion of it, of my opinion of their opinion.
- 8:41And one of the things that they would set to do is to destroy our elections.
- 8:50If they could remove from us a free and fair election, by all means, that would go that would that would really go far in in destroying the country.
- 9:03That would go far.
- 9:04That would go places and absolutely annihilating the country if if we could get rid of our free and fair elections.
- 9:11So here the Supreme Court this week, they are um they are hearing this this Mississippi law.
- 9:18And this piece that I'm looking at here says that the court seems skeptical of the law.
- 9:26The law itself in Mississippi allows Mississippi to count mail-in ballots received after election day in federal elections.
- 9:36Mississippi law right now allows counting of mail-in ballots received within a five-day grace period after election day.
- 9:45Why five days?
- 9:46I don't know.
- 9:46Why didn't we make it 10?
- 9:48Why don't we make it 15?
- 9:50Why didn't we make it 30?
- 9:52I mean, you know, can you trust the the post office nowadays?
- 9:56No, you can't really.
- 9:58You can't.
- 9:58I mean, why not make it a year?
- 10:00You know, why five days?
- 10:03The law was enacted uh in July of 2020, during this COVID-19 pandemic to provide flexibility to voters.
- 10:14We hadn't even voted yet.
- 10:15Here we are in July.
- 10:16And Mississippi says we're gonna allow five days.
- 10:19And matter of fact, Mississippi wasn't alone.
- 10:22Mississippi was not the only state to enact a law that said we're gonna, we're gonna lull for at least at least five days.
- 10:28We've got this grace period here coming up.
- 10:30I mean, COVID-19, I mean, people aren't going to be able to go out and vote.
- 10:34I mean, COVID-19.
- 10:3618 states actually except uh mailed ballots received after election day, if they are postmarked on or before election day.
- 10:47This is according to the National Conference of State Legislators.
- 10:5018 states.
- 10:52That's almost half.
- 10:53I mean, we're not that far from half.
- 10:57Federal law, however, sets the Tuesday after the first Monday in November as election day for federal offices.
- 11:07It's election day.
- 11:08It's not election five days.
- 11:11It's not election month.
- 11:13It's not election quarter.
- 11:16It's election day.
- 11:18Presidential election takes place every four years.
- 11:20A congressional election occurs every two years.
- 11:23And it's this day right here, the Tuesday after the first Monday.
- 11:28The election day law focuses on when ballots must be cast, as opposed to when they must be received by election officials in order to count.
- 11:38It's the casting of the ballot, not the receiving of the ballot.
- 11:44So in October 24, the U.S.
- 11:47Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit held in the case that even though states have primary responsibility for regulating federal elections within their borders, Congress is allowed to make or alter such regulations.
- 12:03And the circuit court held that the federal election day law preempts Mississippi law, preventing the state from accepting late ballots.
- 12:13The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
- 12:15Is this perhaps one of our one of our favorite circuits out of the court?
- 12:19I mean, they these guys show up.
- 12:21They show up and they judge rightly.
- 12:23And it's not just because I agree with it.
- 12:25I think it's accurate here.
- 12:31And federal law preempts state law, and therefore federal election day law should preempt Mississippi's law, preventing Mississippi from accepting late ballots or counting them the day after election day, counting them up to five days after the day after election day.
- 12:49Mississippi, of course, is arguing that striking down its law will cause upheaval in those states that allow ballots received after election day to be counted.
- 12:59Well, you you can't strike down our law.
- 13:01It'll it'll cause upheaval.
- 13:03And not only in our state, but in all 18 states that allow ballots received after election day.
- 13:10Upheaval.
- 13:13No, it's not going to cause upheaval.
- 13:15It'll just say to these states, hey, guess what?
- 13:17You have to abide by the law.
- 13:19There's no upheaval here.
- 13:20If you get a ballot received on election day, count it.
- 13:24Because that's election day.
- 13:25If the ballot shows up the day after election day, I'm sorry, you can't count it.
- 13:31There's no upheaval here.
- 13:32What do you mean upheaval?
- 13:34It's you're following the law.
- 13:36You know where upheaval comes in.
- 13:38Upheaval comes in when on day five you get truckloads of the U.S.
- 13:44Postal Service unloading a billion ballots.
- 13:49That's when upheaval kicks in.
- 13:51Because that's when elections are flipped.
- 13:53All of a sudden, look at all these all these ballots just showed up here on day five.
- 13:58We don't know where they came from.
- 14:00These just mail it, you know, these these mail trucks just show up and then open up the back, and there you go.
- 14:05You got all these ballots.
- 14:07No, that's upheaval.
- 14:09Mississippi.
- 14:11You can't strike down this law to create upheaval.
- 14:14That's a joke.
- 14:16The Republican National Committee and the state's Republican Party and the state's Libertarian Party.
- 14:23These are the plaintiffs.
- 14:24These are suing Mississippi over the state law.
- 14:27Republicans and libertarians unite.
- 14:31Um federal court, uh, no, hang on, here it is.
- 14:36So yeah, during oral arguments a couple days ago.
- 14:39And this is why the writer of this piece here is saying that, yeah, the court seems skeptical about this Mississippi law.
- 14:48Here's why.
- 14:48Because of Justice Samolito, one of our favorites.
- 14:54Matter of fact, perhaps.
- 14:56Well, the top two.
- 14:58Uh Alito and uh Clarence Thomas, these two guys crush it 100% of the time.
- 15:05It was Alito who who seemed concerned about the possibility of fraud.
- 15:10He said, when, quote, a big stash of ballots that arrive late radically flips an election.
- 15:16Aha, that's what I said.
- 15:18A big stash of ballots that arrives late radically flipping the election.
- 15:23That's what we saw in 2020.
- 15:25Because all counting stopped.
- 15:28It stopped.
- 15:29I live in Michigan.
- 15:30I was awake when all of a sudden the counting stopped.
- 15:33And it stopped in Michigan.
- 15:34It stopped in Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, you name it, Nevada, Arizona, the swing states.
- 15:40The states that would determine the election.
- 15:43I mean, Trump's up.
- 15:44I mean, the percentages are ungodly.
- 15:46And then all of a sudden we're going to stop counting and then we get this these ballot dumps.
- 15:53But you know, in July of that summer, we had to, we had to extend it to five days to give us time because we had to see how many ballots we needed in order to win.
- 16:02That was the point.
- 16:04Stop, stop counting, because right now we got to know how many ballots we have to fabricate in order to win.
- 16:10And if you think otherwise, then, you know, I've got a piece of waterfront property I'll sell you.
- 16:19I got a bridge to nowhere I'll sell you.
- 16:22If you think otherwise.
- 16:56Actually said that the other side has not pointed to a single example of fraud from post-election day ballot receipt in this century.
- 17:09Bro, I just I just gave you five examples.
- 17:13I just gave you five.
- 17:16And they're a widespread.
- 17:18Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, six.
- 17:24I just gave you six.
- 17:26I mean, in Michigan, there were uh, I mean, all of a sudden, I don't know, three o'clock in the morning, two o'clock in the morning, these postal trucks pull in.
- 17:38Uh, it's on video.
- 17:40And then out come the just boatloads.
- 17:44I mean, cartons of ballots.
- 17:47Uh, but yet Mississippi solicitor general Scott Stewart says that the other side is not pointed to a single example of election of fraud from post-election day ballot receipt of this century.
- 18:02Wow.
- 18:03Wow, this century.
- 18:06Um echoing concerns that Trump has raised in his executive orders about this.
- 18:12Alito said the meaning of election day has expanded over the years.
- 18:18Because it was Trump.
- 18:19He uh Trump signed in an executive order.
- 18:23Uh, I want to say about a year ago, and the point of his of his executive order was to end counting of ballots received after election day.
- 18:32Um, of course, the federal court in Washington blocked that order, you know, because that's what they do.
- 18:39They feel like they have the right and authority to block the executive orders of the president, this president, by the way.
- 18:47Um, and you know, Trump was saying it's it's election day, it's not election week or month.
- 18:52And Alito, you know, said the same thing here.
- 18:54He said, we're we're moving in this direction.
- 18:57We don't have election day anymore.
- 18:59We have election month, or we have election months, plural.
- 19:04I mean, let's just make an election quarter.
- 19:06Come on, we got November, this December, uh, October, November, let's have election quarter here.
- 19:14Uh Kavanaugh asked the RNC attorney, Paul Clement, whether Purcell v.
- 19:22Gonzales would be implicated if the high court were to rule on the case by June.
- 19:27All right.
- 19:27Purse v.
- 19:28Gonzalez, what in the world is that?
- 19:30This is a 2006 case.
- 19:33Uh, and this case held that federal courts ordinarily should not enjoin state election laws close to an election in order to avoid a disruption.
- 19:44So in other words, don't meddle.
- 19:47If if if you're close to the election, leave it alone and let the election unfold.
- 19:52And so Kavanaugh's asking uh Paul Clement here, you know, is this is personal uh vegonzale.
- 20:00Is this going to be an issue here if we're ruling on this in June?
- 20:03And Clement uh said, no, you know, June's fine.
- 20:07June's going to give us plenty of time to adjust for the general election.
- 20:12But Justice Sonia Sotomayor questioned Clement's argument that late arriving military and overseas ballots should not be counted.
- 20:21You know, well, what about late arriving military and overseas ballots?
- 20:25And Sotomayor, referring to the disputed 2000 election.
- 20:32She said, maybe we need a new president.
- 20:36Maybe, uh, maybe we need a new president.
- 20:38You know, I thought that I thought the justices were supposed to be apolitical.
- 20:43And they're really not.
- 20:44They're not apolitical.
- 20:46They uh, you know, Sotomayor's comments here was probably highly inappropriate to say we need a new president.
- 20:53You're a sitting justice.
- 20:56You're supposed to stay out of that fray.
- 20:58I mean, at least verbally.
- 21:02She was noting that the disputed 2000 election, or in that election, military ballots arrived late and were counted and helped Republican candidate George W.
- 21:13Bush win that election.
- 21:15That was her point.
- 21:17Uh, of course, Clement, uh, I love this, rejected Soda Sotomayora's observation, saying that it was the reddest of red herrings.
- 21:28Smacked it out of the park.
- 21:30The reddest of red herrings.
- 21:31All right, I'm looking at the clock.
- 21:32I durst not go long.
- 21:34I want to finish this piece, and then I want to get into what happens when teachers are replaced by screens on the other side of this break.
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- 26:15All right, uh, let's get back to this this Supreme Court case, because it's important.
- 26:23Election integrity is absolutely important.
- 26:25If we don't have free and fair elections, we don't have a country.
- 26:28I know Trump is famous for saying if we don't have borders, we don't have a country, and he's not wrong about that.
- 26:33But if if we don't have a free and fair election, then there's no point.
- 26:40There's no point because they're gonna put in whoever they want to put in.
- 26:43We are no longer sovereign.
- 26:46Election integrity is absolutely important.
- 26:49And so uh we've got Brett Kavanaugh here asking Paul Clement about the Purcell v.
- 26:57Gonzalez uh case from 06.
- 27:00And he's saying, is this gonna interfere with what we're doing?
- 27:03If we rule on this Mississippi case in June, uh, and again, uh Purcell v.
- 27:09Gonzalez has everything to do with federal courts not involving themselves in elections that are close to an election cycle.
- 27:21And Clement says, no, uh, June is fine.
- 27:24We're we'll we'll have plenty of time to get this done.
- 27:27This is not, it's not an issue at all.
- 27:29And so Sotomayor then pipes up and she says, maybe we need a new president because what about late arriving military and overseas ballots?
- 27:39Uh the what if these aren't counted?
- 27:42Maybe we need a new president.
- 27:43That's what she says.
- 27:45And uh I love Clement's response here.
- 27:50He says that this is the reddest of red herrings.
- 27:55Justice Sotomayor, you saying that maybe we need a new president because military ballots aren't going to be counted, is the reddest of red herrings.
- 28:04What's a red herring?
- 28:05Are you familiar with this fallacy, by the way?
- 28:09Uh, if you uh were classically educated, we do uh here, we we we go through logic and we we talk about the fallacies.
- 28:18We talk about the red herrings, and this, according to Clement, is the reddest of red herrings.
- 28:23So what's a red herring?
- 28:26A red herring is a fallacy where in uh a misleading argument is introduced that distracts from the main issue by introducing irrelevant information.
- 28:43Um it's misleading.
- 28:47It is uh its purpose is to divert attention from the main argument, and in so doing it can weaken the overall integrity of the discussion.
- 28:58Recognizing and avoiding red herrings is crucial for maintaining clarity and relevance during an argument.
- 29:06It is the it's the losing side that introduces fallacies, by the way.
- 29:12It's the it's the losing side that introduces irrelevant information intended on distracting.
- 29:22And basically saying maybe we need a new president, because you know, in 2000 that that that election was disputed, and it was military ballots that arrived late and were counted and helped Republican candidate George W.
- 29:37Maybe we need a new president.
- 29:40And Clement here says, why are you distracting us from the issue?
- 29:44The issue is election day.
- 29:46That's the issue here.
- 29:48There is a there is a federal law, and ballots are to be counted on election day, not election week, not election month.
- 29:56Don't don't throw out the reddest of red herrings and say we need a new president.
- 30:01That that distracts from the point.
- 30:03I love it.
- 30:04I love Clement calling out Sotomayora on this.
- 30:08Clement further said that laws governing absentee military ballots have historically required that they be received by election day.
- 30:18It's no different.
- 30:20Even for the military.
- 30:21Your ballots have to come in on election day.
- 30:26Stewart here, the Mississippi solicitor said Congress has long allowed the late receipt of ballots.
- 30:32Congress has allowed this.
- 30:35He said Congress established the federal election day in 1845 when voting practices were different.
- 30:43He said that if election day must be what it was in 1845, that takes out much more than the ballot receipt laws of 30 states.
- 30:52It dooms absentee voting, modern methods of voting, the secret ballot and more were doomed.
- 30:59Doomed, I tell you.
- 31:07Stewart said.
- 31:09Sotomayor told Stewart that he's amazing.
- 31:12No, I'm sorry, she didn't say that.
- 31:14She told Stewart that the Mississippi law is very consistent with practice during the Civil War and with what happened for over a hundred years.
- 31:23Clement said that the Congress of 1845, when he when he he rebuffed this, he said the Congress of 1845 would have believed it unthinkable to count ballots following election day.
- 31:40Justice Amy Coney Barrett asked whether the same principle would have led that 19th century Congress to reject early voting.
- 31:50Here's what she asked.
- 31:51She said, Why is that permissible?
- 31:53If we're just going to say that historically it needs to look like it always looked, how come those features fall out?
- 32:02After several justices questioned whether the RNC's argument that ballots cannot be counted after election day also means that ballots cannot be counted before election day.
- 32:15The federal government's attorney said it was not arguing against early voting.
- 32:21You can't, you can't bring that in here.
- 32:28Only late voting.
- 32:43Clement was correct when he said early voting has a distinct historical pedigree, Sowers said.
- 32:50The uh chief justice weighed in here, Roberts told Sauer that his answer was not responsive to the point that if the election day is the voting and taking, that has to be that day.
- 33:03And Sauer replied, it's a challenging question.
- 33:07Yes, indeed.
- 33:09Alana Kagan chimed in and said reading too much into the federal election day statute is problematic.
- 33:17She asked, once we go down this road, once we say that these statutes, which don't say anything, actually have some significant preemptive effect, where are we going to end up?
- 33:30Of course, the Supreme Court is expected to issue a ruling on the case by the end of June, but it would appear.
- 33:40It would appear, perhaps, that there is some leaning towards having federal election day be federal election day.
- 33:52Now, again, we never know where these guys are going to land.
- 33:55I mean, the chief justice, you don't know.
- 33:57Amy Coney, you don't know.
- 33:59I mean, you know where Clarence Thomas is, you know where Alito is.
- 34:06Sometimes you know where Kavanaugh is, and sometimes you know where Gorsuch is.
- 34:11You don't always know, but sometimes you do.
- 34:13And yet you rarely ever know with with the chief and Amy Coney Barrett.
- 34:19You just you don't know where this thing is going.
- 34:22But my friend, it's important to pay attention to.
- 34:26We we've got to keep our eye on it.
- 34:28And you know why?
- 34:29Because if we don't, then all is lost.
- 34:33I'm telling you right now, if we do not have free and fair elections, we we absolutely no longer have a country.
- 34:40This we can we can mail this in.
- 34:42Just just mail it in, pardon the punt.
- 34:45And I'm not, I'm not a pessimist.
- 34:48I'm not.
- 34:48I'm not skeptical about things.
- 34:50I'm normally an optimist.
- 34:52I'm usually, hey, that glass over there, it's half full.
- 34:57But I think we have to inject a dose of reality here.
- 35:01And the reality is if we're if we're going to allow ballot dumps on day two and three, after we've got a count, after we know how many ballots we need, because that was the point, by the way, in 2020.
- 35:17We they had to know how many, how many votes they needed in order to catch up and overtake Trump.
- 35:24And that's their MO.
- 35:26I mean, that's that's the policy now.
- 35:27And if we're going to allow ballot dumps three and four and five days later, then it's over because they will win every single election.
- 35:37100%.
- 35:38I mean, to make it seem like it's legit, they will, you know, they'll have some sacrificial lambs here and there.
- 35:47But always they will win because they will know how many votes they need.
- 35:53And again, I'm sorry if you don't see that, then my apologies to you on being clueless.
- 36:02Yeah, exactly.
- 36:03My apologies to you on being clueless.
- 36:08I I saw this, saw this uh statement the other day, and I posted it just because I thought, holy smokes, that is brilliant.
- 36:18And I think it might apply here.
- 36:22When you're dead, you don't know you're dead.
- 36:25The pain is felt by others.
- 36:27The same thing happens when you're stupid or clueless.
- 36:34I'm just gonna let that, I'm just gonna let that one sink in.
- 36:37I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna leave that one right there.
- 36:39I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave it right there.
- 36:42All right.
- 36:43Uh let's shift gears here for a minute, can we?
- 36:47Can we can we shift gears away from the Supreme Court and away from elections?
- 36:53I know it's tough to do, but we're gonna do it.
- 36:56And I want to dive back into this topic, this discussion we've been having really all week.
- 37:03I feel like we've been we've been talking about about technology and the effect that it's having on our kids.
- 37:11You know, we talked about this Singapore study where they um they tracked zero to age 13, age zero to age 13.
- 37:22And it's it's stunning to think that little babies, merely just days, weeks, and months old, are staring at a screen.
- 37:34But the Singapore study said that on average, one-year-olds are sitting in front of a screen an hour a day just to be entertained, just to be mesmerized, just to, you know, so mom and dad can have a moment.
- 37:52I mean, mom and dad should be taking their moments while the while the baby's sleeping.
- 37:56Otherwise, engage the mess out of that little thing.
- 37:59By age two, this Singapore study said that the average is two hours.
- 38:04Two hours, two-year-olds are looking at a screen for two hours.
- 38:10And so this study, longitudinal, it's that's the longest study ever done.
- 38:14Zero to 13.
- 38:16And what they discovered is that the brain is developing much faster in the in the visual cortex region because of all the sights and the sounds and the movement and the bells and the whistles, all the visual stimulation.
- 38:34That part of the brain is developing at a quicker rate.
- 38:39But the rest of the brain isn't catching up because slowly is the fastest way.
- 38:45The brain has to unfold.
- 38:46And I use the word unfold on purpose because of all the folds that are there.
- 38:51The brain has to take its time developing, and there's a particular process that it goes through.
- 38:58And so we've been talking about how the screens interfere with that process.
- 39:04What effect are the screens having on that process?
- 39:07And the Singapore study not only showed that the effect was prematuration of certain areas of the brain, but also increased anxiety later on, slower processing later on.
- 39:22The entire brain is taking its time processing.
- 39:27And partly because it has matured faster in some areas, and the rest of the brain hasn't had a chance to catch up.
- 39:35Mentally, it's it's it's we're seeing it's not a good thing.
- 39:40And so this piece here by Kara Michelle Miller asks this question.
- 39:47What happens when teachers are replaced by screens?
- 39:51What are we gonna what are we going to come across when teachers are being replaced by the screens?
- 40:00And she is in this piece.
- 40:04She is referencing two individuals.
- 40:08Let's see, this first gentleman is the first woman that she references.
- 40:15Her name is Emily Cherkin.
- 40:18She is uh was a teacher.
- 40:22And the second individual she references is a man by the name of Horvath, Jared Cooney Horvath.
- 40:29He's a neuroscientist.
- 40:30He's also a former teacher.
- 40:32These two gave testimony in committee to Congress not long ago.
- 40:41And their testimony was centered around the pitfalls that is presented when in academics we are so enthralled with tech ed, I guess that's what we'll call it, tech ed.
- 40:57That seems to be the term.
- 40:59That technology is the thing.
- 41:01Technology is the thing that's going to catapult us into an educational future that surpasses everybody else.
- 41:10And these two experts in the area are telling Congress, yeah, not so much.
- 41:18Look here, tech ed is not the answer.
- 41:20This is not the end all.
- 41:22It's not the be-all.
- 41:23This is not the direction we need to be going down.
- 41:27Matter of fact, if we do, it's going to be scary, and we're not going to end up at a at a very good place.
- 41:33So I want to dive into this article.
- 41:36And again, I'm looking at the clock, so I'm going to pause here for a break.
- 41:39And boy, I don't know if I've left myself enough time in segment three.
- 41:44I probably haven't.
- 41:45I rarely ever do.
- 41:47I rarely ever leave myself enough time.
- 41:49We're gonna we're gonna see if we can tackle it, though.
- 41:51What happens when teachers are replaced by screens on the other side of this break.
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- 43:57But I want to at least give it a shot because there is uh there's some important information in here.
- 44:05As I said, she's referencing Emily Cherkins and Jared Cooney Horvath.
- 44:13Both of these individuals gave testimony before Congress a little while back on the detriment that we're doing to our to our children and our students by force feeding them tech ed as she calls it.
- 44:29Emily Cherkins, who was a seventh grade English teacher, kind of came to this conclusion when she said, usually at the end of her seventh grade class, uh students would rush up to her desk and they would, you know, they'd want to know what their grade was or what they could do differently, or you know, how they ended up with this particular grade.
- 44:51And she said eventually she'd begin to notice that that line at the end of a class with students you know clutching their papers that that began to decrease because students were able to just get in their online portal and see what their grade was.
- 45:10And it was almost as if the students uh were not um causing that interaction, they were not instigating that interaction with her as the teacher.
- 45:28That became troubling to her.
- 45:30Uh, and she said this is when she she first really started to pay attention to what was happening.
- 45:36Um, she said it took here's her quote, she should have took my students away from me.
- 45:40I was told to have my students look up their grades in the portal instead of coming to talk about what they could do differently with me, with me as their as their teacher.
- 45:52She began teaching in the early 2000s, the decade when students had laptop carts rather than you know one-to-one devices.
- 46:03Today, six-year-olds toggle between apps responding to rapid fire prompts, and at the same time, national exam scores continue to plummet in reading and math, problem solving as we continue to force feed technology into the hearts and minds of our kids.
- 46:24Uh Jared Cooney Horvath, who's also a former teacher.
- 46:29Uh, he's an he's a neuroscientist, and he you know, mentioned the epoch times, he said our kids are less cognitively capable for the first time.
- 46:39This generation is doing worse than the one before it on the very skills school is supposed to build.
- 46:48And that is true.
- 46:49We have we have reached a point in time where normally the generation does better than the previous generation.
- 46:56But here we are, we were at Gen Z.
- 46:59And they are not scoring as well as their parents scored on IQ tests.
- 47:07Um the uh assessment in the United States suggests that Gen Z is the first cohort to score lower than its parents in IQ.
- 47:19Holding information in mind, reasoning through problems, juggling multiple ideas.
- 47:26These are the kinds of abstract thinking skills that students are supposed to practice in school.
- 47:33And they're also the ones that the IQ test mostly measures.
- 47:38Uh, Daniel Willingham is a cognitive scientist at the University of Virginia, and here's what he says to this thought.
- 47:46He says IQ tests were designed to predict success in school.
- 47:51Well, failing IQ scores indicate a decline in cognitive abilities, and and that's what we're that's what we're finding.
- 48:00That's what we're up against.
- 48:01Researchers broadly agree that the decline in scores reflects changes in children's environment.
- 48:11Um, and according to this piece here, uh, Kara Michelle Miller says that the timing of this uh plummet here is difficult to ignore.
- 48:24And she's equating the timing of the plummet with the increase in uh technology.
- 48:30She says the downturn overlaps with a massive expansion of classroom technology.
- 48:35What began in the late 1990s as experimental one-to-one computing programs has become commonplace in districts across the country.
- 48:47And these these one-to-one programs were were giving each student a device for personalized instruction and to narrow the the achievement gaps.
- 48:58Well, in 2013 and 2014 alone, U.S.
- 49:01schools purchased more than 23 million laptops, uh as well as tablets and and and Chromebooks.
- 49:10The pandemic dramatically accelerated this shift.
- 49:14Billions in federal relief helped put a screen in every student's hands and pushed annual spending on ed tech into the tens of billions.
- 49:26So while Horvath sees more than a coincidence between increased use of ed tech and declining academic performance.
- 49:34Other scholars point to the pandemic or rising child poverty and worsening adolescent mental health as causes.
- 49:43What isn't in dispute is the scale of the slide.
- 49:47Now I'm going to keep going through this piece here, and I'm I'm I'm going to offer my my editorial when it's done.
- 49:54I feel like I want to be interjecting throughout, but I don't want to break up the train of thought.
- 50:00Of the piece itself.
- 50:03So I had just, I'm just saying this out loud right now to remind myself to run it in.
- 50:08Because right now I want to interject my own opinion.
- 50:10But I'm gonna, I'm gonna hold off, as it were.
- 50:14Uh the piece continues on the national assessment of educational progress.
- 50:19The NAPE, often called the nation's report card.
- 50:23Scores climbed until around 2010.
- 50:27Then began to fall.
- 50:28All right.
- 50:29This is really a uh I I know I just told you I wasn't going to interject, but I've got to interject here.
- 50:36When when she says scores climbed and then began to fall, um, I that can be kind of deceptive because from I mean, they they they fell not below where they were climbing.
- 50:51They kind of fell back to where they were, and they didn't climb that high, quite frankly.
- 50:56They where it says they climbed, and when you look at the chart, you can see they're peaking up, but they're not peeking up that high.
- 51:02I'm just gonna put that out there to you.
- 51:05All right, so back to the piece.
- 51:07Among 13 year olds, let me check my time here.
- 51:11All right, well, I mean, we're doing all right.
- 51:14Among 13 year olds, reading scores are now about seven points lower than uh are now about seven points lower, and math scores are roughly 14 points lower than a decade ago.
- 51:28All right, so they're lower than what they were a decade ago, but they've kind of fallen back to where they were the decade before that.
- 51:36Okay, so we had this little bump, but again, it wasn't really a bump to speak of.
- 51:42I just want to I just want to point that out.
- 51:45But but this next piece here.
- 51:48Um, well, hang on, let me.
- 51:51She says, uh among 13 year olds, I would just want to get this in this complete sentence here in its thought.
- 52:00Among 13 year olds, reading scores are now about seven points lower, and math scores roughly 14 points lower than a decade ago, back to the levels seen in the 1990s.
- 52:11On some measure, student perform worse than they did three decades ago.
- 52:14All right, so that's what I meant.
- 52:15They're back to where they were in the 90s.
- 52:17All right, so we had this bump, and now we've fallen back down.
- 52:20So if you look at where we started measuring the meep in the early 90s to right now, the scores the it's identical.
- 52:27It hasn't changed.
- 52:29We had this little bump in the early twos, and then it's kind of leveled back out.
- 52:35Um we could we could talk about scores before the meep, and I think we need to, but I want to I kind of want to finish this this piece here and finish this thought because this next chunk is interesting.
- 52:50She says across countries, the pattern repeats every three years.
- 52:56The program for international student assessment tests hundreds of thousands of 15-year-olds throughout the world in math, reading, and science.
- 53:07In recent cycles, students were also asked how much time they spent using digital devices during the school day.
- 53:15Horvath found, you know, looking at these uh at these international reports.
- 53:23He found that students reporting more than six hours of daily computer use at school, scored about 65 points lower than those reporting no use at all whatsoever, roughly two letter grades.
- 53:37In wealthier countries, the gap was even larger, around 67 points.
- 53:43Many wonder what schools have been investing in.
- 53:47Ah, that, my friends.
- 53:49That's an important question.
- 53:53What in the world have these schools, especially out of these wealthy nations, what are they investing in?
- 53:58What are they doing?
- 53:59What's what's happening here?
- 54:02And I would I would say how many of them are aligned with UNESCO.
- 54:07What is UNESCO?
- 54:09You ask.
- 54:09Well, it's this, it's this UN body that's supposed to govern education.
- 54:14And I would hazard to guess the the national education programs that are aligned with UNESCO, are probably academically the worst, the worst and the most pathetic.
- 54:29And there are there are pushes and movements in this country right here to get us on board with UNESCO.
- 54:36And I'm telling you what right now, it would only tank us.
- 54:40It would absolutely tank and destroy us.
- 54:44So uh this is a legitimate question.
- 54:47What are these schools investing in?
- 54:50Because they're investing in technology, and it's not helping.
- 54:55It's it's it's doing absolutely nothing to get our test scores up.
- 55:00All right.
- 55:01Um, I'm gonna pause here.
- 55:03This is a this is a big piece, it's a long piece.
- 55:07Again, it's called What Happens When Teachers Are Replaced by Screens.
- 55:12And I'm not gonna uh I knew it, I just didn't leave myself enough time in segment three to really treat this piece well, and I and I want to give it, I want to give it the time and the space it is due, uh, especially because I want to offer my my own editorial to it, my own opinion, my own uh interjection, and I can't really do that, you know, in the amount of time I've given it.
- 55:39So I'm gonna I'm gonna pause here.
- 55:41We might pick this up tomorrow.
- 55:43There was some other stuff I wanted to get into tomorrow.
- 55:45I think is there a history class on board tomorrow?
- 55:49I uh okay.
- 55:51No, all right.
- 55:52We don't really have a okay, right?
- 55:54I'm just kind of thinking through this out loud here.
- 55:56We can possibly handle this tomorrow.
- 55:59Can finish this bad boy off because I don't have a history class to get through.
- 56:02And that, my friends, isn't of course it's not exciting because we love history class around here.
- 56:10But you know, it's okay.
- 56:11We can take a day off every night, which which we will do tomorrow.
- 56:14All right, so we'll uh we'll dive back into this piece.
- 56:18I'll recap it a little bit, and then we'll dive into it full throttle because uh I think these are legitimate questions, and they are these are things that we need to be diving into, and so we are.
- 56:29We're gonna dive into it and give it the time that it needs.
- 56:33All right, my friends, listen, thank you for joining me.
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