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- 0:00Speaker 1: Okay, let's dive in. We're opening the file today on
- 0:02a story that is, well, it's just become this absolute
- 0:06masterclass in juxtaposition. You have the dizzying heights of Hollywood
- 0:10celebrity and then it just crashes headlong into this dark,
- 0:16really grim, unresolved tragedy.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. We're talking, of course, about the disappearance and
- 0:21ultimately the death of fifteen year old Celeste Revas Fernandez.
- 0:25Speaker 1: And the connection, the really chilling, undeniable link to the
- 0:29rising R and B Star D four VD.
- 0:32Speaker 2: And what's immediately clear when you look at the sources
- 0:34all the reporting is that this just isn't your typical
- 0:36missing person's case. No, not at all. No, it exploded,
- 0:39It became a celebrity scandal that then morphed really quickly
- 0:42into this high stakes criminal investigation, and it's all being
- 0:45fueled by social media forensic ambiguity. Yeah, it's complex.
- 0:50Speaker 1: And the core mystery it really ignites on September eighth,
- 0:52twenty twenty five. That's the date of the horrific discovery
- 0:55at a Los Angeles two yard.
- 0:56Speaker 2: Right, that's when workers found the severely decomposed membered remains of.
- 1:01Speaker 1: Celest found inside a black plastic bag zipped shut with
- 1:05zip ties, which is just.
- 1:07Speaker 2: Yeah, and stowed away in the front trunk the front
- 1:10of a dusty twenty twenty three Tesla Model Y.
- 1:13Speaker 1: And that tesla, let's be absolutely clear here was registered
- 1:17to David Anthony Burke, better known.
- 1:19Speaker 2: Of course to his what billion plus streaming fans, is
- 1:22East four VED.
- 1:24Speaker 1: So our mission today for this deep dive is really
- 1:26to guide you through this pretty dense stack of sources.
- 1:30Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to get past the headlines, you know,
- 1:32we need to try and understand the victims. Celest her
- 1:36really troubled pass that somehow led her seventy six miles
- 1:39from her home all the way to the Hollywood Hills.
- 1:42We've got to meticulously examine the well the circumstantial links
- 1:46to the artist D four VD. We need to analyze
- 1:49the huge challenges facing the LAPD's investigation.
- 1:52Speaker 1: And then there's that recent bombshell, right, the evidence from
- 1:55the private.
- 1:55Speaker 2: Investigator exactly that PI evidence really threatens to destabilize the
- 2:00whole timeline the police had been working with. They could
- 2:02rewrite everything.
- 2:03Speaker 1: The initial shock when they found her. It was visceral,
- 2:06isn't it. Tow Yard workers just alerted by a foul
- 2:08odor coming from this car.
- 2:10Speaker 2: Yeah. And this wasn't a car hidden somewhere remote. This
- 2:13was a vehicle that had been sitting out in the open,
- 2:15abandoned on a residential street. It even been ticketed for weeks,
- 2:19for weeks. Yeah. So the fact that this grim secret
- 2:23was inside a car owned by a chart topping artist, Yeah,
- 2:27that immediately turned public curiosity into well outrage, understandably, and
- 2:32it's important to grasp the immediate challenge for investigators. The
- 2:36condition of the remains, you said, severely decomposed, dismembered. That
- 2:40automatically kicked the case up to the Robbery Homicide Division RhD.
- 2:44Speaker 1: Because it signals complexity right off the bat.
- 2:46Speaker 2: Absolutely, they processed the vehicle and then began the long,
- 2:50painstaking effort to figure out what happened and crucially who
- 2:53was responsible. But they started in this cloud of forensic uncertainty.
- 2:57Speaker 1: So let's start where we have to with select the
- 3:00person right at the center of this celestiev Us Hernandez.
- 3:04She was just fifteen, a seventh grader at Elsinor Valley
- 3:07Middle School in Lake Elsinor, Riverside County.
- 3:09Speaker 2: In that location, Lake Elsinor, It gives you immediate context,
- 3:12doesn't it.
- 3:13Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not Hollywood.
- 3:14Speaker 2: No, it's a distant suburban community seventy six miles southeast
- 3:18of that whole sleek urban frenzy of the Hollywood Hills
- 3:21where D forty had his rental. World's apart totally Celest.
- 3:25She had wavy black hair. Teachers described her as having dreams,
- 3:29you know, dreams beyond her suburban life. But the reality,
- 3:33it seems, was pretty fraught with turmoil. Yeah, and that
- 3:36set the stage for her heading towards the city.
- 3:38Speaker 1: And if you dig into the records, the Riverside County
- 3:41Sheriff's Department logs, I mean, it paints a truly heartbreaking
- 3:44picture of just instability.
- 3:46Speaker 2: How many visits.
- 3:47Speaker 1: Between February twenty twenty four and April twenty twenty five,
- 3:50deputies went to Celest's home eleven times.
- 3:53Speaker 2: Eleven times.
- 3:54Speaker 1: Wow, that's almost once a month for over a year,
- 3:57dealing with disputes, welfare checks, and this is key. Three
- 4:01official missing persons reports filed by her family.
- 4:04Speaker 2: Okay, so those repeated visits, they suggest this ongoing cycle
- 4:07of family stress maybe volatility seems likely. And the sources
- 4:10they seem to indicate that a major trigger, or at
- 4:13least something happening concurrently with these flights was her growing
- 4:17online presence.
- 4:18Speaker 1: Right TikTok and Discord mentioned specifically, Yeah, she.
- 4:21Speaker 2: Was reportedly really active on those platforms. And you know,
- 4:24for a vulnerable team, the pull of connection attention online
- 4:30it can sometimes just outweigh any safety concerns.
- 4:32Speaker 1: We even have a specific detail from that first missing
- 4:35person's report March nineteenth, twenty twenty four. There's surveillance footage.
- 4:39Speaker 2: What does it show.
- 4:40Speaker 1: It's grainy outside a local liquor store. It shows her
- 4:44just this small figure in a black hoodie, white pants,
- 4:47jogging away early in the morning, purposefully leaving home.
- 4:51Speaker 2: So it wasn't impulsive. It suggests a pattern.
- 4:53Speaker 1: A pattern of seeking escape.
- 4:55Speaker 2: Yeah, and that need for escape, it seems like it
- 4:57might have shifted from just online attention to seeking actual physical.
- 5:03Speaker 1: Connection, which brings us to that really chilling anecdote from
- 5:06one of her teachers.
- 5:07Speaker 2: The boyfriend named David comments exactly.
- 5:09Speaker 1: The teacher remembered Celeste bragging about meeting an online boyfriend
- 5:13named David. Now we can't definitively say that was David.
- 5:16Anthony Burke D four med back then.
- 5:18Speaker 2: No, we absolutely can't assume that.
- 5:20Speaker 1: But the name, the resonance with what happened later, it's
- 5:24deeply unsettling. It suggests she might have been actively seeking
- 5:28out older people she met online.
- 5:30Speaker 2: Right, and by April twenty twenty four, after that third disappearance,
- 5:35her trail did lead definitively towards Hollywood.
- 5:38Speaker 1: But the state she was found in it suggests that
- 5:42year between disappearing and being found was incredibly hard.
- 5:45Speaker 2: Yeah, the medical examiner noted she weighed only seventy one
- 5:48pounds when discovered. That points to prolonged malnutrition maybe extreme
- 5:52hardship before her death.
- 5:53Speaker 1: The report also confirmed she wasn't pregnant, which shut down
- 5:56one early rumor.
- 5:57Speaker 2: Her clothing was simple two top black life diggings, a
- 6:00yellow metal stud, ear ring, matting, chain bracelet, pretty standard stuff.
- 6:05Speaker 1: But then there's the one piece of physical evidence that
- 6:07now ties her at least circumstantially directly to D four VD.
- 6:11The tattoo, a small tattoo found on her finger.
- 6:14Speaker 2: And that tattoo, that tiny detail, It leads us straight
- 6:17into the biggest hurdle for the LAPD investigation, which the
- 6:20massive forensic ambiguity the cause of death, the manner of death.
- 6:24They remain officially listed as deferred. That's the status as
- 6:28of the latest reports October nineteenth, twenty twenty five.
- 6:31Speaker 1: Okay, deferred. What does that actually mean? In practical terms
- 6:34for the case.
- 6:35Speaker 2: It's critical for people listening to understand this deferred means
- 6:38the corner cannot yet say how she died. Was it
- 6:41a homicide, an accident, natural causes? They don't know for sure?
- 6:45Speaker 1: Why not?
- 6:46Speaker 2: Well, forensic pathologists consulted in the source materials. They emphasize
- 6:50that the conditions inside that sealed metal trunk the fronk
- 6:53during a hot LA summer, it basically acts like a
- 6:56pressure cooker. It accelerates decomposition dramatically.
- 7:00Speaker 1: So what does that acceleration do to the evidence itself?
- 7:04Speaker 2: Practically speaking, it means the heat likely destroyed or degraded
- 7:07crucial soft tissues. Think about trying to test for volatile
- 7:11substances like alcohol or common recreational drugs.
- 7:15Speaker 1: Almost impossible after that kind of heat exposure.
- 7:17Speaker 2: Pretty much or at least incredibly difficult DNA evidence, other
- 7:22trace evidence. It all suffers degradation too, So you end
- 7:26up in a scenario where maybe she died from a
- 7:28drug overdose, maybe even from exhaustion and malnutrition.
- 7:31Speaker 1: But proving it becomes exponentially harder.
- 7:34Speaker 2: Exactly without a clear cause of death like a visible
- 7:37bullet wound or signs of blunt trauma or toxicology results
- 7:41that are irrefutable, prosecutors just can't move forward with a
- 7:44murder charge. The case gets fundamentally stalled right there.
- 7:47Speaker 1: And this ambiguity, this sort of forensic shield, that's exactly
- 7:50what D four V is relying on legally speaking, even
- 7:53as the circumstantial evidence just keeps piling up against him
- 7:56in the court of public opinion.
- 7:58Speaker 2: Which takes us to him. David Anthony Burke, the twenty
- 8:02year old artist caught in the middle of this scorm.
- 8:04Speaker 1: His rise was incredibly fast, wasn't it.
- 8:06Speaker 2: Meteorc is the word used. He's from Houston, broke through
- 8:10around twenty twenty two. His sound just perfectly captured that
- 8:13kind of low fi gen.
- 8:14Speaker 1: Z angst and romantic homicide. That song was huge, huge.
- 8:18Speaker 2: Over a billion Spotify streams. Then he drops his debut album,
- 8:22Withered in April twenty twenty five and immediately launches this
- 8:26massive world tour. He was riding an incredible wave of success.
- 8:31Speaker 1: And then September eighth happens, and that wave crash is hard.
- 8:34The vehicle, that white Tesla, It wasn't his permanent car,
- 8:38was it. It was tied to the rental property right the.
- 8:40Speaker 2: Twenty thousand dollars a month mansion he was renting in
- 8:43the Hollywood Hills. The car was parked right near there
- 8:46on Bluebird Avenue, just gathering dust for a week.
- 8:49Speaker 1: The neighbors noticed.
- 8:50Speaker 2: Oh yeah, They confirmed to investigators the car had become
- 8:53an eyesore as early as August twenty sixth. It was
- 8:56so obviously abandoned it got a parking ticket.
- 8:58Speaker 1: On September three, violating the seventy two hour parking rule.
- 9:02Speaker 2: Which is deeply concerning when you think about the timing.
- 9:05The car containing human remains was visibly there, known to
- 9:08authorities via that ticket for at least a week before
- 9:11the tow yard discovery and D.
- 9:12Speaker 1: Four vd's reaction. When police finally reached him, he was on.
- 9:15Speaker 2: Tour in Seattle. He claimed total ignorance, said he hadn't
- 9:18used the car in months.
- 9:19Speaker 1: But the timeline and these linked between him and Celeste,
- 9:23they're just too stark for the public and likely investigators
- 9:26to ignore. Let's start with the tattoo again, the sh
- 9:31tattoo match.
- 9:32Speaker 2: Yeah, it's disturbing. Both D four VD and Celeste had
- 9:35that specific tattoo on their fingers. His was apparently inked
- 9:38at a Big Grammy's after party back in twenty twenty four.
- 9:42Speaker 1: To the public, that feels like way more than just coincidence,
- 9:45doesn't it. It suggest some kind of shared bond or reference.
- 9:49Speaker 2: It certainly fuels speculation. Then you have the digital breadcrumb.
- 9:52Speaker 1: Trail, the alleged social media stuff.
- 9:54Speaker 2: Exactly sources mention, alleged deleted discord chats, things like come
- 9:59to La Babe, supposedly sent from him to Celest. And
- 10:03then there are these unverified photos floating rounds, supposedly showing
- 10:06Celeste in his passenger seat or at a house party
- 10:09he threw in July twenty twenty five.
- 10:11Speaker 1: Authenticating all that digital evidence must be a huge focus
- 10:14for RhD the Robbery Homicide Division.
- 10:17Speaker 2: Absolutely critical, because right now it's mostly circumstantial but highly suggestive.
- 10:21Speaker 1: And then there's the music itself. The irony is just horrifying.
- 10:24Speaker 2: Yeah, the lyrics from romantic homicide m lines like I
- 10:28said my heart is only for you, but you stabbed
- 10:31me in the back.
- 10:32Speaker 1: It takes on this really macar almost autobiographical feel for
- 10:36listeners there.
- 10:37Speaker 2: It definitely shapes the public narrative, making people assume he's
- 10:40the culprit, even if the concrete legal proof isn't there yet.
- 10:44Speaker 1: And his actions after the discovery haven't helped his image
- 10:47munch have they The legal and financial moves.
- 10:50Speaker 2: Not at all. After the discovery, RhD executed that very
- 10:53public raid on his rental mansion September.
- 10:56Speaker 1: Seventeenth, seizing phones, computers.
- 10:59Speaker 2: Vrs, and critically a key card for the Tesla. That
- 11:02key card becomes important later.
- 11:04Speaker 1: Then just days later, he breaks his lease.
- 11:06Speaker 2: Yep, multi year lease broken, vacates the Hollywood property, cancels
- 11:10the rest of his tour, and basically retriets back to
- 11:12Texas out of the public eye.
- 11:14Speaker 1: But the move that really raised eyebrows was the property transfer.
- 11:17Speaker 2: That's the one. Property records show that on October ninth,
- 11:20he transferred ownership of two significant homes to his mother
- 11:24to homes two homes now. His lawyer, Benjamin Braffman, who
- 11:28was very high profile, he quickly came out and called
- 11:30it precautionary estate planning, said it was to shield assets
- 11:35just in case of civil lawsuits down the line.
- 11:37Speaker 1: Okay, But is transferring to multimillion dollar properties to your
- 11:41mom just a state planning when you're the focus of
- 11:45a major death investigation.
- 11:47Speaker 2: Well, that's the question, isn't it.
- 11:49Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 11:49Speaker 2: To the public, it looks like trying to protect assets
- 11:51from potential criminal finds or restitution, regardless of the legal justification.
- 11:57It doesn't look good, and.
- 11:58Speaker 1: The public reaction was sweat.
- 12:00Speaker 2: Immediate and harsh. Streaming numbers dropped like fifteen percent. Hashtag
- 12:04justice force less started trending.
- 12:06Speaker 1: Globally, and the sponsors, big.
- 12:08Speaker 2: Ones like Fortnite pulled their endorsements very quickly. So he's
- 12:11bleeding financially and he's pretty much canceled in the court
- 12:14of public opinion. But officially, legally, he's still in this kind.
- 12:18Speaker 1: Of limbo, and that limbo is defined by the LAPD's
- 12:21official stance, which, let's be honest, the public finds really confusing.
- 12:25Speaker 2: Utterly, bewildering. Too many. Yeah. LAPD Captain Scott Williams has
- 12:29said repeatedly that d Fortyd isn't the suspect, not a suspect,
- 12:33not a suspect, and that they lack evidence for culpability
- 12:37beyond possible concealment. That's the key.
- 12:40Speaker 1: Phrase, concealment of a body that's still a crime.
- 12:42Speaker 2: Right, Oh, absolutely, yeah, usually a felony, but it's not murder.
- 12:46And that's a crucial legal distinction.
- 12:48Speaker 1: So if the circumstantial stuff seems so strong to everyone else,
- 12:51why the cautious language from the police, Because the.
- 12:54Speaker 2: Legal system needs more, It demands that cause of death.
- 13:00Legal analyst Nioma Romani pointed out, in some reports, until
- 13:03the coroner gives a definitive ruling on how she died,
- 13:06it's strictly classified as a death.
- 13:08Speaker 1: Investigation, not a homicide investigation.
- 13:10Speaker 2: Not officially. To charge dfour VD with homicide, prosecutors need
- 13:15something concrete, irrefutable DNA placing him at a murder scene,
- 13:19perhaps a definitive cause of death that clearly points to
- 13:22foul play or a direct witness.
- 13:25Speaker 1: And right now RhD doesn't seem to have that smoking gun,
- 13:28partly because of the condition of the remains exactly.
- 13:31Speaker 2: They're struggling with the limitations the decomposition is placed on them.
- 13:34Speaker 1: Okay, so let's look at how the official investigation tried
- 13:37to work around those limitations. They focused heavily on the
- 13:40car and the timeline initially right they did.
- 13:43Speaker 2: They noted the condition of the Tesla itself. It was dented, had.
- 13:47Speaker 1: Tape scars, and that air freshener Yeah, the.
- 13:49Speaker 2: Christmas tree air freshener dangling inside, maybe a feudal attempt
- 13:53to mask the odor that eventually gave the secret away.
- 13:58Urhd's first big task figuring out when Celeste died and
- 14:03who was using that car when she was placed inside it.
- 14:06Speaker 1: And Captain Williams gave an estimate.
- 14:07Speaker 2: He estimated Celeste may have been deceased for several weeks,
- 14:11which pointed towards late July or early August as the
- 14:14critical timeframe.
- 14:15Speaker 1: And they used digital evidence to narrow that down heavily.
- 14:18Speaker 2: License plate readers were crucial. They logged the Tesla's last
- 14:21confirmed drive on the evening of July twenty.
- 14:23Speaker 1: Ninth, Okay, July twenty ninth.
- 14:25Speaker 2: That's specific, very specific. And furthermore, phone pings placed Celeste
- 14:28herself in Hollywood in July, specifically near D four vd's
- 14:32Bluebird Avenue address around that same time.
- 14:35Speaker 1: So the digital footprints put the victim and the car
- 14:38in the same immediate area just hours before the car
- 14:41was apparently douched for good.
- 14:42Speaker 2: Correct, And this brings us to that really sinister detail,
- 14:45the noise complaint.
- 14:46Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, the nine to one one call.
- 14:48Speaker 2: There's intrigue around a nine to one one call logged
- 14:50July thirtieth, very early morning, four point three two am
- 14:55reporting screams coming from D four vd's rental property.
- 14:58Speaker 1: So if the car's last drive was late on the
- 15:00twenty ninth.
- 15:01Speaker 2: Then that four to three to two am incident on
- 15:04the thirtieth it could potentially line up not just with
- 15:07Celest's final hours, but maybe with the act of moving
- 15:10or concealing her body, which would be highly stressful, possibly noisy.
- 15:15Speaker 1: But wait, didn't D four VD claim he was on tour.
- 15:17Speaker 2: Then he did, which raises the immediate conflict. If he
- 15:20wasn't ceiasically at the rental on July twenty ninth or thirtieth,
- 15:23then who was.
- 15:24Speaker 1: Oh?
- 15:24Speaker 2: Okay, this is likely why the LAPD is working on
- 15:26the premise that maybe one of his associates was involved,
- 15:29perhaps in the concealment or the disposal. Even if dfour
- 15:32V himself might be the focus for the death itself.
- 15:34Speaker 1: They must be desperate for trace.
- 15:36Speaker 2: Evidence, hunting for anything. Forensic teams search for fibers maybe
- 15:40matching Celeste's clothes. They analyzed what the initially thought might
- 15:44be a bloody towel.
- 15:45Speaker 1: But that turned out to be something else.
- 15:47Speaker 2: Yeah, later tests showed it was menstrual blood, so that
- 15:50wasn't direct crime evidence. They also seized a journal entry
- 15:54from the mansion. Reports described the content as chilling, something
- 15:58about eternal silence once. One source called it scary sadistic.
- 16:03Speaker 1: But legally the official stance is still stuck correc pretty much.
- 16:06Speaker 2: Fixed until those toxicology results come back. Can they find
- 16:10definitive traces of fentanyl meth or will bone analysis show
- 16:14blunt force trauma. Until then, LAPD can't really move beyond
- 16:18investigating possible concealment.
- 16:20Speaker 1: Which makes that DVR footage they seized on October eighteenth
- 16:23potentially crucial.
- 16:25Speaker 2: Hugely important. They need visual proof who was coming and
- 16:28going from that mansion in those critical hours July twenty
- 16:31ninth into July thirtieth exactly.
- 16:33Speaker 1: The whole case feels locked behind the doors of the
- 16:36forensics lab right now.
- 16:37Speaker 2: Yeah, if those labs can somehow pull out a clear
- 16:39cause of death despite the challenges, the whole investigation pivots instantly,
- 16:43it goes from a desk probe to a potential capital
- 16:46homicide case. But the clock's ticking and decomposition is a
- 16:50major enemy here.
- 16:51Speaker 1: And this frustration, this slow pace, and the official ambiguity
- 16:56it created a vacuum, didn't it.
- 16:58Speaker 2: It did, And into that vacuum stepped a real wildcard.
- 17:01Speaker 1: Private investigator, Steve Fisher. This is where the story takes
- 17:04another sharp turn.
- 17:05Speaker 2: Yeah, Fisher's a PI decades of experience, and he wasn't
- 17:08hired by D four ved's team or by Celeste's family
- 17:11who hired him D four vd's former landlord, Malayden truth.
- 17:13Speaker 1: Okay, So late on the twenty ninth, what does the
- 17:16footage show?
- 17:17Speaker 2: It allegedly shows the tesla's final moments before it was abandoned.
- 17:21You see the shadowy figure wearing a black hoodie and
- 17:25importantly distinctive red sneakers.
- 17:27Speaker 1: Red sneakers. Okay.
- 17:28Speaker 2: This figure slides into the driver's seat, drives the car
- 17:31just a short distance to where it was found on
- 17:33Bluebird Avenue, parks it, and then flees the scene on foot.
- 17:37And critically, the figure never comes back to the car.
- 17:40Speaker 1: So Fisher is saying, this is the moment the car
- 17:42with the body presumably inside was dumped.
- 17:45Speaker 2: Exactly, and this hooded phantom immediately changes the calculus on culpability.
- 17:50Speaker 1: Right, because it might not be Defour Bead driving precisely.
- 17:53Speaker 2: Fisher claimed he cross referenced the driver's build, the clothing,
- 17:57especially those red sneakers, with photos taken inside D four
- 18:00vd's mansion just twelve hours earlier, photos showing a man
- 18:04matching that description lounging by the pool a D four VID.
- 18:07Speaker 1: So suggesting the driver was an associate, not Defourvita.
- 18:10Speaker 2: Himself strongly suggesting it, and speculation immediately focused on this
- 18:14guy known only as Neo or Neothesian.
- 18:17Speaker 1: Someone known to be in D four VID's circle.
- 18:19Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently a known associate, also a Houston transplant like
- 18:22D four VD, with a minor criminal record for petty theft.
- 18:26Speaker 1: So if Neo or someone like him park the car,
- 18:30D four VID's potential role shifts, doesn't it it shifts dramatically?
- 18:34Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe from primary killer to accessory after the fact, or,
- 18:38perhaps more likely, in the public's mind, the person who
- 18:40ordered the body dumped. Fisher's been pretty aggressive, hinting publicly
- 18:44that the LAPD know this guy, but are maybe sitting
- 18:49on it for a reason.
- 18:50Speaker 1: And Fisher didn't stop with just the video, did he.
- 18:52He made some serious accusations against the LAPD themselves.
- 18:55Speaker 2: Oh yeah, severe accusations of misconduct oversight, claiming they missed
- 18:59crucial evidence during that September seventeenth raid on the mansion,
- 19:03like what he claimed police overlooked a locked closet inside
- 19:06the house so that it contained scary, sadistic items, things
- 19:09like restraints. Maybe that journal entry source mentioned stuff. He
- 19:12says LAPD should have seized immediately.
- 19:15Speaker 1: Okay, that's a big claim, huge.
- 19:17Speaker 2: And maybe even more damaging legally. He claimed our HD
- 19:21overlooked the Tesla key card, so they found it later
- 19:23in plain sight.
- 19:24Speaker 1: Why is finding a key card later such a big deal,
- 19:27even if they did eventually.
- 19:28Speaker 2: Get it chain of custody, it's everything for forensic evidence.
- 19:32If that key card wasn't properly logged, sealed, documented the
- 19:37moment it was found during the initial.
- 19:38Speaker 1: Seizure, the defense can argue it was tainted exactly.
- 19:43Speaker 2: They can argue it could have been tampered with, contaminated,
- 19:46something happened between the police search and when Fisher or
- 19:50someone else supposedly found it later. It creates reasonable doubt
- 19:53about the integrity of anything found on that key card. Wow,
- 19:57and Fisher also claimed his own drone flights over the
- 19:59towyard found overlooked tire tracks, again painting a picture of
- 20:03maybe incompetence or at least a failure to process the
- 20:06scene thoroughly.
- 20:07Speaker 1: This completely reframes the narrative, doesn't it. If an associate
- 20:10park the car, the big question shifts from who killed
- 20:13Celeste to who ordered the concealment.
- 20:15Speaker 2: And why was this neo guy acting rogue, maybe trying
- 20:19to protect his boss or was Deforvite himself actively managing
- 20:23the discosal remotely while he was on tour.
- 20:25Speaker 1: And the laped's response to Fisher's leaks predictable really.
- 20:29Speaker 2: They dismissed his public revelations, called his actions vigil anti
- 20:33probes complicate justice. They argue, probably rightly, that his unauthorized
- 20:39entries and lucky info could taint their own investigation give
- 20:42defense attorney's ammunition later on, but.
- 20:44Speaker 1: They can't ignore the footage itself.
- 20:46Speaker 2: No, regardless of the official pushback, Fisher's footage forces RhD
- 20:50to look extremely hard at Neo or whoever that driver
- 20:54was and at defour vd's digital communications around July twenty ninth.
- 20:57Speaker 1: And thirtieth, so as we had towards the end of
- 20:59October two. This case is just locked in this awful
- 21:02tug of war, high profile celebrity privilege maybe versus the
- 21:07coal hard realities and limitations of forensic science.
- 21:11Speaker 2: You have Celeste Reeves Hernandez, this vulnerable kid who, as
- 21:14her mother Maria Hernandez pleaded, just deserved better than a
- 21:17trunk is heartbreaking.
- 21:18Speaker 1: You have D four Vida whose career is effectively torched,
- 21:20charge or no charge. And you have this shadowy figure
- 21:23in the hoodie, the phantom from the ring camera.
- 21:26Speaker 2: And the resolution, if one ever comes, it really has
- 21:29to come from the lab. Now, despite all the decomposition challenges,
- 21:33forensic teams are still pushing looking for any definitive sign
- 21:37of fetanyl meth, any clear evidence of blunt trauma on
- 21:41the bones that remain.
- 21:42Speaker 1: A positive drug finding could point to accidental overdose followed
- 21:45by panic and concealment.
- 21:47Speaker 2: Right while definitive trauma evidence would instantly pivot the whole
- 21:50thing back to homicide. But until then, that sh tattoo. Yeah,
- 21:54it just remains this silent, incredibly poignant symbol of whatever
- 21:58the hidden truth is.
- 21:59Speaker 1: The public wants a neat answer, closure, but the sheer
- 22:02complexity here, the celebrity angle messing with access, the forensic
- 22:06decay blocking a clear ca the pi's controversial intervention. It's
- 22:10making justice feel agonizingly elusive, and.
- 22:13Speaker 2: That enduring elusiveness, that lack of clarity. It leads us
- 22:16to our final provocative thought, something for you, the listener,
- 22:19to really chew on. We know from license plate readers
- 22:22in the piz footage that the Tesla was abandoned on
- 22:25Bluebird Avenue late on July twenty ninth, if the body
- 22:28was already inside, and if the driver really was defour
- 22:31Bed's known associate, what does it actually say about the
- 22:35level of privilege, cold calculation? What allowed a car containing
- 22:39decomposing human remains to sit there, publicly visible, getting ticketed,
- 22:44gathering dust for over a month before the smell finally
- 22:47forced to discover that length of time, that duration of
- 22:49just calculated, cold hearted inaction, that might be the most
- 22:52damming and deeply unsettling piece of this entire tragic puzzle.