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Abraham’s First Property Was a Tomb · Todd's World

• Todd: I think the reason this this place is so important there and and their their bodies being laid to rest there is because I think it's another sign of their faith in God that He's gonna do what He said he was gonna do. And Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: we we're we're so confident of that we wanna be laid to rest here because this is gonna be our homeland. of our descendants. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: Like they're that confident. Welcome everyone to Beers with Jesus. Lately, guys, every time we do this, it comes up in it with a weird view. did that fix it for you, Carrie? Yo, it's Carrie: It does, hold on. There we go. Todd: Sorry, we have a little technical difficulties on the front end, but thank you for joining us, guys. Todd's World. I'm Todd. Carrie is my co-host, and on Beers with Jesus, we just walk through the stories of the Bible. Together. We don't really preach about them. We just Enjoy we we examine the characters, talk about the characters, some of the motivations, kind of compare it to some things that maybe it's applicable to in our lives here. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And that's all. See what we can. So we're we're trying to learn about the stories of the Bible. I think that'd be the best way to say it. And and then how it fits into the bigger story that God's telling. And we're trying to do everything through a real story focus. So we're less interested in all the trees than we are in the forest. Unbears with Jesus. Is that fair, Gary? We're less interested Yo, it's Carrie: Wait, what's that or la say that part again? Todd: than all the individu we don't lose the forest for the trees. We try to stay real focused on the forest. The story, right? Unlike that Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, totally. Yes, completely. And Todd: quiz we took where it was all trees. Yo, it's Carrie: It was all trees. That was that was a very academic salad bar, picking random things out of the Bible Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: quiz. Todd had a me some friends and family take a how much do you know about the Bible quiz? It was fun. Todd: Yeah, it was a survey they did and and they found that most Yeah, twenty five but most people failed. most Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Was it twenty five questions? Twenty five. Yeah. Todd: a and it was for regular church attendees. I think they did, I don't know, two thousand wha however they do these studies, And Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Right. Todd: whatever amount of faith you want to put into But they're it was kind of fun. It's interesting to kind of gauge you. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, it was fun. Todd aced it. Todd aced it. And Todd: Well said I got twenty four out of twenty five, but I do not know. I went through the entire answer key and I don't think I got anything wrong. But I could have thumbed an answer wrong. You know how you do, I'm not paying Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yep. Todd: the closest attention all the time. So pretty good, I think. That's 20 out of 25. That's Yo, it's Carrie: I got an eighty. It's pretty good. Todd: pretty good. Because there were some tough questions. It was this life way thing. You Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Mm-hmm. Todd: know what? I will post it on my X account, guys. Go to go to Todd's World 2023. You can find us on X. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah, do. It's fun to take. Take it. We won't give you any any hints. Todd: And yeah, if you're interested, you you can take it. So I'll put I'll put that out there. And that'll be that'll be fun this week. And listen guys, if you're just joining us, of course you get you want to stay till the end. We're gonna go through Genesis 23 today. But you also want to subscribe. You might as well just do it right now because you're gonna enjoy the show and you might as well do it before you're what happens is you're gonna get so into it, and then all of a sudden it's gonna end and you will have forgotten to subscribe. What a tragedy. Yo, it's Carrie: A tragedy. Todd: So Yo, it's Carrie: Thank you for being here. Todd: Yes, thank you for joining us. So we're doing Genesis twenty three today. And Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: in honor of my daughter, my daughter's a singer songwriter, Lauren Allen. You should really look for Lauren Allen Music. Lauren is with a Y A L L Yo, it's Carrie: So good. Todd: E N. She is on Instagram, Spotify, all the things. She's got a new CD coming out and she's amazing, amazing country Yo, it's Carrie: She's really good. Mm-hmm. Todd: singer songwriter. Anyways, her twenty first birthday this weekend. Kinda well it kinda started on thir ther Yo, it's Carrie: Cheers, Lauren. Todd: I think it was Thursday and then Friday and then I went out we went out to the bar we went out to some bars Friday and then last night she had a big gig where all family and friends everybody gathered for this big twenty first although for her she was performing. So Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: but it was still it was a great time. But in honor of my daughter's twenty first birthday, it shots with Jesus this week. 'Cause it's gonna be a little shorter than normal. Yo, it's Carrie: gotcha. I'm like I could have I could have prepared for that. Todd: Yeah, he carries like I could add a shot on hand. I've done I've done I I am not a shot guy and Yo, it's Carrie: I could've had a shot. I just survived a whole weekend of babysitting a two year old. Todd: I've done a few shots right here and I'm like I'm okay. Yo, it's Carrie: All right, which one did you like? Todd: Maybe I only did one. I might have only did a Jameson shot and I don't like Jameson. I just don't. Yeah. No, it's just Jameson. No pickleback, no anything, just bang. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah? You did Jameson? Ooh. Was it regular or was it the orange? that that bartender needs to be reprimanded. Todd: Lauren did a few other shots because of course the bartenders are all comping her and buying her shots, but Yo, it's Carrie: Goodness. Todd: and in fact she got a little sick. I felt a little bad about that. maybe I wasn't quite Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: as responsible as I should have been. But my wife didn't come, Nikki didn't come, she was tired. We had the big gig, you Yo, it's Carrie: She's a grown grown young woman. Mm-hmm. Todd: know, coming Saturday night. And she like is just better about that, more sense of those kinds of things. And Lauren Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: seemed f she held herself together perfectly fine. Yo, it's Carrie: It's good. Todd: But mixing stuff up, you know, you gotta pay attention to that. It's not it I guess it's not as big of a deal when Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, you on a birthday. Todd: you're like six four two hundred and sixty pounds. It t you know, it takes a little bit more to mess with ya. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, you're like, I'm fine, I'll be fine. I know. She's a little that's brutal. Todd: But she was fine. That's what you gotta learn on your twenty first. Better off learning it with your dad, right? my lord. People are like, this is the strangest Yo, it's Carrie: True. But a straight Todd: Christian show I've ever heard. Yo, it's Carrie: Yes, we have no no judgments on Todd: Where we where's our lines we're bumping before? No, sorry guys. That that reminds me. We've got another show, the wildly opinionated news hour that you gotta listen to. And Yo, it's Carrie: That's yeah. I was gonna say that's another show. Todd: we do that so we drop the wildly opinionated news hour every other week, Beers of Jesus every week, and that's Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Yeah. Todd: our gig. So we hope that you join us. Subscribe. Hey, send comments. We we're on the all the socials, put out put clips out, send us to family and friends. If you want, you can wait till the end of this and you'd be like, he's right. Shots with Jesus. All right, Gary. We're Genesis twenty-three this week. Yo, it's Carrie: It's sha Okay. Reading. All right. Todd: We've been going through the story of Abraham. And this Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Oops. Todd: is an another ending in Abraham's story. So Gary's reading for us this week. We read the message because we love the message. Yo, it's Carrie: Sarah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Todd: And The nar the the narrative style just works really well with for the story focus that we do on this show. and so Carrie's gonna read Genesis twenty three in the message and then we're gonna chat. Yo, it's Carrie: All right, cool. Just propping it up so I'm not like looking totally down. Okay, Sarah, who we're talking about, is Abraham's wife. All Todd: Yes. Yo, it's Carrie: right. And if you don't know that, you haven't been listening to us, you need to back back up a little. Todd: You gotta go back a few episodes. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Sarah lived one hundred and twenty seven years. Sarah died in Kiriath Arba, present day Hebron, in the land of Canaan. Abraham mourned for Sarah and wept. Then Abraham got up from mourning his dead wife and spoke to the Hittites. I know I'm only an outsider here among you, but sell me a burial plot so that I can bury my dead decently. The Hittites responded. Why you're no mere outsider here with us, you're a prince of God. Bury your dead wife in the best of our burial sites, none of us will refuse you a place for burial. Then Abraham got up, bowed respectfully to the people of the land, the Hittites, and said, If you're serious about helping me give my wife a proper burial, intercede for me when Ephron's son of Zorar, with Ephron, son of Zohar. Ask him to sell me the cave sorry my page is Todd: You're all right. Yo, it's Carrie: stuck together. Okay. The cave of Makpella, Todd: Page flip Yo, it's Carrie: is that how you would Todd: Sure. Yo, it's Carrie: say that? That he owns, the one at the end of his land. Ask him to sell it to me at its full price for a burial plot with you as witnesses. Ephron was part of the local Hittite community. Then Ephron the Hittite spoke up. Answering Abraham with all the Hittites who were part of the town council listening. no, my master, I couldn't do that. The field is yours, a gift. I'll give it and the it and the cave to you, with my people as witnesses, I give it to you. Bury your deceased wife. Abraham bowed respectfully before the assembled council and answered Ephron, please allow me, I want to pay the price of the land, take my money so that I can go ahead and bury my wife. Then Ephron answered Abraham, If you insist, master, what's four hundred silver shekels between us? Now go ahead and bury your wife. Abraham accepted Ephron's offer and paid out the sum that Ephron had named before the town council of Hittites, four hundred silver shekels at the current exchange rate. That's how Ephron's field next to Mamre, the field, its cave, And all the trees within its borders became Abraham's property. The town council of Hittites witnessed the transaction. Abraham then proceeded to bury his wife Sarah in the cave in the field of Makpella that is next to Mamre, present day Hebron, in the land of Canaan. The field and its cave went from the Hittites into Abraham's possession as a burial plot. Todd: Good job, Carrie. Yo, it's Carrie: Thank you. Todd: High times. Yo, it's Carrie: So Todd: Your wife dies and you had to bury her. Sarah was for Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. It's interesting. Todd: for those of you who haven't been with us for the whole thing, Abraham is, of course, the patriarch, the the original patriarch of the of what would become Israel and the and the Jews. The the entire Jewish you Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: know ethnicity, culture, nation state, the whole thing. Abraham was was kind of the beginning that. So you had the flood with Noah. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: In the beginning of Genesis, God creates everything. Adam and Eve eats fruit, kicked out of the land, all these everything goes to hell. You got UFOs and aliens and Nephilim and giants, and everything's just going crazy. And God destroys everything in the flood. You got Noah. And then the the next story that we kind of get to where God is kind of re-engaging with with with his creation is Abraham. And so he picks Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: a specific A specific person that then becomes a specific family that then becomes a particular nation, basically, over hundreds and hundreds of years. But God tells him that that God promises him. So Abraham takes off. He tells him, Leave your country, you know, leave this for land I'll show you. And Abraham becomes a sojourn and he follows God into the promised land, but he doesn't own anything. He doesn't own any Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: property. And but God keeps blessing him, he keeps blessing him. And this is really the first time that that that owning property becomes kind of an kind of important, right? Because Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: Sarah, his wife, God is is the the mother of Isaac, who's the child of promise, as as we've gone through everything. Abraham and Sarah were were old. Abraham was a hundred, Sarah was ninety, there's no way they're having a baby. God had been promising them for twenty-five years they were gonna have one, then finally shows up. Now's the time, I'm gonna do it. It's gonna be miraculous, it's gonna be supernatural, child of promise, and that's gonna be the line, the remnant of faith, all the way through. So, Sarah, that happens, and now Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Sarah, who Abraham has been has been through everything with the the mother of Isaac, you know, she had the Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: supernatural glow up touched by God supernaturally. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: she finally dies because we're humans and we all die, you know. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: It it's part of it. She lived to one hundred and twenty seven, so she did pretty good and probably in based on on Jewish lore and tradition, she looked fabulous for her age when she left. Better than Dolly, Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, really, I think so. Mm-hmm. Todd: even. How could that be? But Sarah came to the end and Abraham Mourned for Sarah and wept. there there's no doubt we had the Hagar incident. You're gonna see Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: Abraham in a few chapters remarry again, but there's no doubt that Sarah was Yo, it's Carrie: Really? Todd: Sarah was the the the apple of like he was he was or she was Abraham's beloved. They were, you know, key and lock. That was and anything Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Todd: that kinda happened around that maybe had to do with having more kids or whatever, but it it wasn't there was nothing quite like Sarah. You know what I mean, don't you think? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. Todd: that was the love story. Yo, it's Carrie: They're right, everything that we've read so far indicates that. That they had a a very they had a beautiful marriage, a beautiful partnership. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: You know? Yeah. So Todd: Well, to be fair, God calls Abraham, or Abram at the time, to go to a land that he's going to show him just to leave his home, leave everything he's ever known, take off, and just follow this call of God to what he doesn't know. Except that God says, It's gonna be a city that I'll show you and I'm gonna make a great nation of you. Now, Sarah has to buy into that too, and she did. And she has all the way along the way. Like Sarah is in fact I think I you know I didn't think about this, but I think she's in the I think it mentions her in the Hall of Faith alongside Abraham. In Hebrews Yo, it's Carrie: does it? Todd: 11. I think. Let me look real quick. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah, I'm curious. Todd: But is morning? I mean it's this is a real deal, but then he's gotta get on, Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: he's gotta figure out the burial thing, you know? And and this seems like I I was gonna ask you that one of the things I kind of wanted to talk about is this is like the difference between how we as a culture view death and burial and all that and it compared to how it seems like how important it was in in ancient cultures. You know what I mean? Because we're gonna find Abraham buys this plot and not only is Abraham buried there or is Sarah buried there, Abraham's buried there, Isaac and Rebecca are buried there. Jacob after he goes to Egypt to be with Joseph and which is where where God has for he's gonna make a great nation out of Israel and then 400 years later you're gonna get Moses and the Exodus and everything. But Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: but he tells him when when he d when Jacob says, When I die, I want my bones hauled back and put in this same burial plot. Joseph Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: then wants the same thing. So there's something about this down through the line Yo, it's Carrie: Hmm. Todd: that's really important that that we're all he we're all together in this burial. Yo, it's Carrie: Interesting. Todd: And and I don't know I I personally don't think that. there's families out there I'm sure that do. You know, and and Yo, it's Carrie: There are I was gonna say there are cemetery there are cemetery people and then there are not cemetery people. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: What in your family? What's the tradition in your family? Todd: We would have always been cemetery people, but the last lately when my dad passed and whatever, I think he was cremated. And I think a lot of that there's cremation's taken over the market, it's like eighty percent now. And I think it's 'cause of co it's all because of cost. Yo, it's Carrie: Cost and I think sp space and people moving around, I think it's not j well no, I just mean no, I I just I Todd: 'Cause they like to haul people with them. is what you mean? put grandma up on the fireplace mantle? Is that I maybe people do that. I don't know. I've done I don't Yo, it's Carrie: just mean and not this far back, but let's say a couple of generations ago, families would all still be in the same area. Todd: Area like town and Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Whereas now, like look, I'm I'm a thousand miles away Todd: You're in Jacksonville. Yo, it's Carrie: from where I grew up and I don't know, I just Todd: I was gonna ask you, does it matter to you? Are you are you particular about when you die? how your your remains are handled and where you're buried or where you're not buried or what what they whether where you're scattered. I don't know. Yo, it's Carrie: Not so much. Not not not so much because I know that's just that's just, you know, the ashes of my body. I Todd: Okay, so you don't care that much. Yo, it's Carrie: I don't care. I mean I would like it to be meaningful to the people I leave behind. I would like it it's Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: I feel like it's symbolic. You know, we've done I don't know, I feel weird sharing this, but we've we've put Steve's ashes in a few different places and some people are really bothered by that. I'm like Todd: Really? Yo, it's Carrie: It's not like God's gonna physically reassemble you. And even if he were physically re-reassembling you, I think you could hand I think I think you could handle it. Todd: He could pull you from the four winds, Yo, it's Carrie: but yeah, I mean, I think it's nice symbolically for the people left behind, but it doesn't really bother me. I don't we're not I I haven't been raised as in a cemetery family. Todd: you have it. Yo, it's Carrie: No, there there are people in my family who ha who ha who do go to a cemetery to see lost loved ones. I've just never Done that a as a regular practice. Todd: I've never done that either. Now when my I when I was young and a brother died, which by the way guys, Todd's World.net has my memoir on it, which is Leaves the Blue Yo, it's Carrie: It's so good. Todd: Away. And the first the it starts right away kinda with the with with this story about how my brother died. Because that's Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: kinda when I kinda remember things. I guess trauma and whatever, I was nine when he died, but I don't remember much before that. So Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: I I feel like that's kinda where things started, you know, as far Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: as my memory goes, and that's kinda where my memoir starts. So pick it up. It's great. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: You'll love it. There's other books on their merch. Check it out. If you want to support us, that would be wonderful. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: the what was I gonna say? yeah, yeah. But yeah, he Yo, it's Carrie: Cemetery? Was he in a cemetery is he in a cemetery? Todd: was put in a cemetery right down the road from my grandma Martin in Stanton, Michigan. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: And and and it was at the same place where my grandpa was buried, where Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: my cousins, Trevor, he's been on the show a few different times. His he had older sisters who died from some we we've Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: got bad tickers in this particular family. My family. Although I I was one of the Yo, it's Carrie: Right, his two sisters. Todd: genetic the the lucky genetic ones. So Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Thank goodness. Todd: But so that that so there was a mc this McBride similar there's a lot of there was this Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: kind of family thing. And my my mom and dad have a plot there and my brother's buried there. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: But I and and my mom and dad back in the day after my dad after my brother died and even before that, they were real They they're real disciplined. They would go out and they'd plant flowers at the gratub Yo, it's Carrie: Yep. Todd: gravestones and they'd water in the summer and go out and it's not it wasn't s it wasn't so much like this big somber thing as much as they just kinda took care of it. You know Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: I understand it and w if I had been raised that way I don't think it's weird or anything. I just wasn't raised with it. if I were, I Todd: I don't do that. Yo, it's Carrie: was gonna say I would totally go and do that if that was nor Todd: I couldn't tell you the last time I was in McBride at my mom's grave. It's Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: just not I there's been a couple times where I thought I was kinda close and I thought, not close enough. I it just it is not Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Well Todd: important to me. Like I I don't have I'm not that Yo, it's Carrie: that spot that spot isn't important to you. Todd: Things I any of the material stuff isn't like my Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: dad my dad got remarried and the chicken remarried had like some weird teddy weird bear stuffed bear made out of my mom's old like bathrobes and I thought it was the creepiest damn thing that I had ever imagined. I put it up in a closet Yo, it's Carrie: yeah, you are so you're so Todd: and then eventually threw it away. Yo, it's Carrie: my gosh, you're so opposed to this teddy bear. I thought the teddy bear idea was so sweet and you just think it's creepy. Everybody's different. But Todd: Like Yo, it's Carrie: but like a gravestone, so for instance, your your mom, you don't feel Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: the need you don't feel that you have to be in that location to be close to her. Todd: Yeah, I I don't feel close to her anyway, but there was a time while I was writing Leaves of Blue Away. There was a weird you know, a a time in Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: my life where spiritually I felt like my parents were really close. Both Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: my parents passed away. And but that would that was a s that was definitely just a season. And it was just for writing that book and I don't I don't feel that at all now. I don't Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: I th there's nothing that resembles I don't feel a closeness to my mom or my dad at all. I like to think I I can s I can sometimes feel see things kinda coming together and I expect that the that somehow they Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: have some awareness of what's going on and somehow they have a better view of how God ties this whole mural together and things like that. And so th there's that sense. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. Todd: But that's but that's kinda all. I don't like it's not like I would go to some place. Well there I I could go up to to get you going to the Kiwanaugh where we we spent a lot of family summers and that that might be. But I haven't I haven't done a lot. Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: See that makes more sense. Because it because of the memories. And that makes more sense. Going somewhere where you have all these happy family memories makes more sense. Whereas I I don't know, I think people that's just the cemetery cemetery practice for some people makes cemetery people. I just think it's I know. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think it's just not how. Ancient culture. Todd: Why do you think that the ancient culture and and it and it wasn't just them, it i it it carried on for a long time. Why do you think that burial and everything was so important? Yo, it's Carrie: Well, that makes total sense. Well, it's all there was. This is the last of Sarah. They don't know anything about an afterlife or you know, the the coming later of Jesus and the the promise Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: that we will all have a place with God in heaven. None of that. So to Abra to Abraham, yeah, I've never thought of this. I'm glad you're asking this question. To Abraham Where he puts Sarah is gonna be where Sarah, as he understands her, is going to be forever. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: So I think then the location would be really important. Todd: Well and clearly it was, especially with this promise, 'cause God had promised him this land. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: it's interesting that that the only the only piece of ground in the promised land that God has promised that he'll give to Abraham and give to his descendants, the only piece of ground he actually ever owns before he dies is this burial plot. And I think it was important because I think I think part of why it was so important For Abraham, and it was so important for Isaac and for Rebecca and for Jacob, even going on down through the generations to Joseph. I think the reason this this place is so important there and and their their bodies being laid to rest there is because I think it's another sign of their faith in God that He's gonna do what He said he was gonna do. And Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: we we're we're so confident of that we wanna be laid to rest here because this is gonna be our homeland. of our descendants. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: Like they're that confident. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: Which that in and of itself is is pretty impressive. Like you wouldn't necessarily think that. You're not, you know? I Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: mean even Jacob, you're everybody's leaving, they're going down to I I think Jacob bought a field of Shechem or something. So there's one other thing that but for the most part the patriarchs never it's it's later after Exodus and everything God leads them out of Egypt. Moses leads them out of Egypt. They wander Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: the desert for four years then Joshua finally takes them into the to conquer the land of Canaan. That's when the the Israelites begin to physically take over cities and possess this land that God gave them, you know? Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Interesting. Todd: This is the only little piece that we see looking forward to that, you know? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that is that's interesting. So I Todd: I think it's that same. Go ahead, Carrie. Yo, it's Carrie: was gonna say, I just think it's really interesting, what I was gonna say after right after we read it was that this transaction, this these arrangements that are being made are so carefully detailed and documented. Todd: Mm-hmm. I I think yeah, I think that it's I think it was important for whatever reason. I don't know if it's Yeah, Yo, it's Carrie: Right. I think on its surface it wouldn't seem important, but obviously it is. Todd: I wonder sometimes, there are things like this that I wonder, but if if it should be more important to us than it is, if we've lost something there Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: that is more important. But I don't know. I can't Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: I can't really find my way to why that would be the case other than Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: There's nothing commandment wise or you know what I mean? It's just Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: it's just a feel. I just got this feel that it that burial and and Yo, it's Carrie: Right. a tradition? Todd: that that was important. It was important to the early Christians. You had them in the catacombs Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and when they gathered the bones together, they kept them together, I don't know. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. I just I just hadn't heard in church today about a chapel in Rome where I they have the bones, like the skulls and bones of it's like four hundred monks. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: And I guess as the monks die they they I know. I Todd: They just they just chuck all together. Yo, it's Carrie: I I mean I think they're arranged in such a way, but you Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: as but tourists can go and see this. But the priest was saying there's a sign there that says We were once like you and one day you will be like us. So that's why Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: he was sharing this. Todd: it's interesting that it coincided with Shots with Jesus Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: today. Because I Yo, it's Carrie: Right. but yeah, that's interesting. Todd: I I I was there was something that I had read read in in some of my in some of my stuff that that they had made that now death is professionalized and medicalized in a way that it wasn't for most of all of human history. I mean people Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: would die in their homes, they'd be prepared for burial by their families, you know, and Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: the old Irish wakes they'd stick up on ice Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Todd: and have the the drinks and everybody, you know, they had the which I love that idea of like celebrating, you know, Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: death. And there's and there's a verse there's a verse or two in the Bible. I can't remember that's it's in the I think it's in Proverbs where it says, It's better to go to the house of mourning than a celebration or whatever. And the point is what you were talking about in church, which it or what that what that sign basically said is that it's good to be reminded that you have an that we have an expiration date. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: It's good to be reminded that we have an appointment with death because it's good to be reminded that Christ defeated death for us. You know what I mean? But Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yes. Todd: but still a river we have to cross. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. And we don't know when. Todd: So Yo, it's Carrie: That was the message that was the message today is we don't know when. Todd: Which takes you back to that famous book of the Bible with Robin Williams where he says Carpe Diem Sees the Day. Yo, it's Carrie: Exactly. Exactly. Todd: Dead poets. That such a great movie. Yo, it's Carrie: Such a good movie. Todd: I did find in Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: in the Hall of Faith, yeah. Sarah's in the Hall of Faith, which is pretty impressive, yeah. There Yo, it's Carrie: really? She is? Todd: aren't that many people named in the Hall of Faith in Hebrews eleven. And Abraham, of course, is mentioned multiple times, and then Sarah is one of the few women who was mentioned. I don't know if there was another one that I can think of. She might have been the only one. Isaac I was looking to see if there's any other women. I don't see any right off. Yeah. But women Yo, it's Carrie: Really? No Todd: are represented, which I think is great because that's how important Sarah was. You know what I mean? That's my point. It says by faith, Baron Sarah Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Right. That's very cool. Todd: was able to become pregnant, old woman as she was at the time, because she believed the one who made a promise would do what he said. That's how it Yo, it's Carrie: Nice. Todd: happened that one man's dead and sh that from one man's dead and shriveled loins there are now people numbering into the millions. Like Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: she that I that's why I say I think Sarah, it it's always like Abraham and Sarah, like they were they were in it as a couple together with God on this. Do you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Todd: And and I think that's pretty impressive. That isn't Yo, it's Carrie: It is. Todd: necessarily something it may be implied throughout the Bible at different times, but But it's not something that you see as as blatantly put on display as you do with Sarah and Abraham. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And I actually think that's that's a good point because th there's something in people that wants to they think, they want to make sure women can't be pastors. They want to kind of th this pressure to keep women in their place. And I feel like it's real early on, like it's real foundational. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: That God's working with men and women just the same. And then later in the New Testament, Paul says that in Christ there's neither June or Greek, male nor female. we're all the ground's all level at the foot of the cross. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that's something that that still people can forget, They they're they're Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: I think they think, you can't Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: be a pastor, you can't do this, you can't do that. And I think, yeah, maybe you can do let God figure it out. How about? I'm not I'm not as anti for me. I don't Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: I don't like the Sunday show anyway, so I don't really think any bastards we need any pastors at all. But, you know, I'm not like sexist about it. Yo, it's Carrie: I know and I'm and at my church like I can't I can't imagine a I can't imagine a w a woman doing that I mean I just I don't know. I also don't think I don't think that's the point. Yeah. Todd: Well, point is that whether or not they're priests or recognized or not, Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: they're just as important. Sarah probably Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Todd: wasn't recognized as like like the Hittites say here, you're a prince of God among us. That's also interesting too because it speaks to Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Abraham's influence on where he's living. He doesn't own any property there. He's not part he's not voting with them. He's not part of their politics. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: But they look at him and they say, No, you're more than just a stranger among us, you're a prince of God. When the hand of God is on your life, when you're walking with God, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that's where the impact's felt. You know what I mean? It's not Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: 'cause you had a super PAC and you raised a bunch of money from evangelicals. That's not how it works. Okay? Is that fair? Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Abraham too is he's I I like how humble he is and how just his his level of his character is is outstanding. You know, he's Todd: It is. Yo, it's Carrie: he's like I mean he doesn't feel entitled. They've been there a long time and he goes to them so humbly saying, I know I'm an outsider. Like he doesn't go and say, Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Hey, look, I need to do this. I've been here long enough. You know, he doesn't really acknow expect he goes in so humbly but also insisting on paying for it I feel like he just I don't know he just doesn't ever want to doesn't ever want to owe anyone anything yes when the kings offered he was like no right it's exactly what I thought Todd: Yeah, remember when he did the kings of Sodom and everything and he's like, I don't want you to go around saying you made me rich. that was important to I think part of that is because Yo, it's Carrie: of Todd: he wanted everybody to know you'd think that he's a they thought he was a Prince of God because of the blessing on his life. Remember just a chapter or two earlier, Abimelech's like or maybe it was Abimlech's like army dude his his commander, his chief commander or whatever. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Yeah. Todd: And Army dude. Yo, it's Carrie: You guys, we're all really tired. Thank Todd: And Yo, it's Carrie: you for being. Peak authenticity. Peak Todd: I didn't just turn twenty one, but I had to go. Yo, it's Carrie: authenticity, Todd. Todd: But remember he they the came Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. Todd: to Abraham and he said, God's hands on your life, whatever you touch, he blesses. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And so that was how the people around Abraham saw him. And I and I think that's how the people around us should see us. that's how Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: when when the Bible talks about us or about Israel, but fulfilled Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: in the church being a nation of priests and kings, it's now and it's ministering to the neighbors and the nations around you. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yes. Todd: To the lost world around you. And and I think Abraham did that clearly. You Yo, it's Carrie: He did. Todd: just from the way that he was treated by those around him. You know what I mean? But Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: he wanted to make a point, listen, I I'm gonna buy it. This is my I'm I'm investing here. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: This isn't just something that you're giving me out of convenience or whatever. I d in my my Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: family's gonna be here. I don't want anybody ever coming back and saying, No, you didn't you didn't pay for this or whatever. This is this is gonna be our anchor. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: To what God promised us here. Yo, it's Carrie: I think that is important to him too, like what you just said. If his it's not just Sarah, it's not just him, it's like anyone anyone in his family who's going to be buried there. He wants to be really clear contractually, transactionally, that he Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: owns it, that no one can at some point say, Well, this was a gift and we didn't authorize that and then it would be questioned, something would be put in question and he just wants it black and white, very clear. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm not debatable. Todd: There's also, you know, as I was researching it, I didn't get into this a lot 'cause I wasn't entirely sure how important it was. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: but there's some there's some some curiousness about the amount. Four hundred sh shekels of silver seems really, really high. 'Cause you can go you you Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Is it? Is it a lot? Todd: can go into like first Samuel where David pays like sixty shekels for like this guy's field for whatever to s to make a sacrifice to God, I think. And in and it just seems It just seems really high. But I don't know. Yo, it's Carrie: But it's but it's a f it's a field and a cave, correct? Todd: Yeah. Well I'm not what I wonder is if if the point is if if there's something the the only thing I can really see that that that that may or may not matter about that would be the idea that God's not willing, just like Abraham's like God's willing to pay a high price for us as part of his as part of his creation and his people. You know what I mean? And that Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: and I think Abraham had that. He wasn't gonna s he he wasn't looking for a deal, he wasn't looking to skimp on anything. He wanted the full fair price, and he just wanted a place where where there was never any doubt, and it was known this was the cave of Abraham or the tomb of Abraham and Sarah and or the land or whatever, you know. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And then it would be known by that, by that that by the surrounding people. And And that was why I think that the whole thing was that it was important that it was done before everybody. So there was Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: no doubt that he was putting his he was buying this place. And by I think his his insistence and in and wanting to bury his wife and and start this here, I think they they understood that that and he understood that this was what God was gonna give him. This was his you know, this was the promised land. And he's putting the first It's like those pioneers going out west and they put the first stakes in the ground, you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: Of everything that's gonna be. That's what Abraham is. He's right on the front end. Yo, it's Carrie: So okay, so g the Google overview actually actually Todd: Google. Yo, it's Carrie: it looks like here's the source of this particular comment on that four hundred shekel price Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: of silver is from the Torah.com. And it says that it is a steep Todd: Okay. Jews. Man. They're right. It's always the Jews. Just kidding. Yo, it's Carrie: It is a steep, you know, you're correct that it's a lot. A steep, non-negotiated price. 400 shekels of silver was an exorbitant sum for a single plot of land, equivalent to decades of a common laborer's wages. Abraham paid Ephron's inflated asking price without haggling, so that the title would be completely beyond reproach. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: So, yeah, so it's basically like paid paid a premium price for this. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: No one can ever question who has the right to the land. Todd: And and the only the only thing that I can see as a parallel there Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: is that God paid a high price. He paid the price of his son. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And no one's ever gonna question whether God has redeemed his people. Do you know what I mean? That's the only that's Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: the only parallel I can see there that that would be. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: Is just that story parallel of this is what I'm gonna do and this is what you're Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: seeing and this is how I work. And I'm not worried about things like whatever you think. money's worth. I'm just gonna you know I'm gonna sacrifice Yo, it's Carrie: Mm hmm. Right. Yeah. Todd: myself. A suffering God. So any yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: I I thought it was I thought it was good and I thought it was interesting that, you know, should we should we not maybe it does show in our in our day and age less of a of a focus on like what we leave behind. You know what I mean? Like a Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: it like a heritage, people's you know, find us faithful kind of thing. Like let those who come Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: behind us find us faithful. I don't know if if our culture thinks as much in terms of of that. We just kind of think like while we're here, while we're here, while we're here and then like when somebody dies, somebody gets cancer, and then they die. We feel like it's the worst thing ever. And they were like, you know, people die. Like this is this is a natural arc of life. That was something, to be honest, when my mom went through cancer, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: and I don't mean this as a criticism of my mom, because I I get that everybody's got their stuff and and physical suffering and sickness, all that's real tough. And she Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: was di from diagnosis to when she finally passed, it was only like nine months. My my her first Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: grandchild had just been born. It was like I she felt like she was getting ripped off, I think 'cause she kind of did in some way, at least from the way that she thought of it. Yeah. Fifty-two years old. So Yo, it's Carrie: Well, and she was so young. She was young. Sorry. Mm-hmm. Todd: I never felt like my mom got to a point where she was able to like Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: come to terms with dying. Do you know what mean? And and I and I thought I know, but I thought I have Yo, it's Carrie: Right. At fifty two I would have a hard time with it as well. Even now I would. Todd: thought at times, I hope that I could if I needed to. I hope that I could Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: could do that for the people that I'm leaving behind. You know what I mean? Like care as much about what I've what I'm leaving behind and the people I'm leaving Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: behind and hope that Mean that's part of why I write the books that I write, part of why do this, although I doubt that anyone's ever gonna go back and listen to my archived in the can Hall of Fame podcast. But they should someday my great grandchildren should go back and listen to this. Imagine Yo, it's Carrie: I hope I hope so. Todd: all you'll learn. But Yo, it's Carrie: I hope so. It's like a time capsule of Todd's world. Yeah. Yeah. Todd: But I care about that, you know what I mean? I care about leaving something 'cause I don't have much, for my parents they weren't writers, they weren't this that or that. So I just don't Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: have a lot. Whereas I felt like if I had some writings or I had a Bible that was full of all their notes and all their writings and there was just a little more felt like Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: maybe I would value that. Now my kids, Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Todd: I should say, have shown no interest that there's any value in any of it so far. Yo, it's Carrie: You know what? But hold on, your perspective is different. If your parents had had all of that, you'd be like, I don't care about that. But it it would Todd: Yeah, maybe. Yo, it's Carrie: be yeah, it would be after after they were gone if you found all that or said, thank goodness Todd: They're like there's this entirely too much Todd's world. Yo, it's Carrie: I have like, man, Dad, you've been recording shit for years. I know. That's true. Todd: They're like it's Dots World 247 around here. What in the hell? So maybe the ne you I'm gonna be a grandpa for the for maybe the next generation will give will care. I don't expect this one to. Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Hopefully you will know them in person and they will enjoy Todd: Ha ha ha. Yo, it's Carrie: the legacy as well. That's what I hope too. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: You know? That's funny. Todd: Alright. Goes with the show this week. Alright guys. Well we Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: went longer than I was thinking, but whatever. It was fun. It was fun. Shots with Jesus this week. Forty minutes. I was shooting for 30. Does it? It's back. Yo, it's Carrie: It fine. Did did we go along? I can't see a timer or anything today. I I can't even everything looks different. Can you there it is. Okay. it's back. I just hadn't wiggled my mouse in a while. My mouse snoozed. It's as tired as we are. Thank you. Todd: Well, thank you for joining us, guys. Next week we'll be back with Genesis 24, which is about Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: Isaac and Rebecca. We thank you for joining us. This is a little different, obviously. We hope that you enjoyed it. 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