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Deputy Sheriff sex-stalks 12-year-old girl he meets on kids game "Minecraft" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Feds say the two
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Speaker 1: met online when the girl was only twelve, and prosecutors
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Speaker 1: say this sheriff deputy would manipulate and threaten her all
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Speaker 1: the way from Texas. A Texas sheriff deputy accused of
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Speaker 1: cyberstocking a Worcester County teenager through the popular video game Minecraft.
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Speaker 1: According to the thirteen page indictment unsealed Wednesday, the twenty
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Speaker 1: five year old deputy would refer to himself as Geno
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Speaker 1: and Daddy, and the miner as baby Girl. Prosecutors say
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Speaker 1: the two met online back in twenty fourteen, when the
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Speaker 1: victim was twelve. Over the years, authorities say the girl
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Speaker 1: sent him hundreds of explicit photos of herself. She's now
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Speaker 1: seventeen and reported to police this past spring. She believed
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Speaker 1: the Texas deputy was tracking her movements via social media,
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Speaker 1: and he was allegedly threatening to publish her explicit photos
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Speaker 1: or rape her sister if she didn't continue to send
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Speaker 1: him new pictures. Saw him daddy, oh oh, and we
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Speaker 1: are talking about a deputy sheriff. Just last night, my
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Speaker 1: twins eleven years old, we're playing Minecraft with each other
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Speaker 1: with me in the room. Can you imagine a sheriff's
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Speaker 1: deputy cyber stalking a little girl on Minecraft? I Amancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us?
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Speaker 1: Will it never end? Every time I help put one pervangelic,
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Speaker 1: five more pop up? It's like a Hydra with multi
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Speaker 1: mini many hands. You not, you cut one off and
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Speaker 1: then there's twenty more. A deputy sheriff in Texas allegedly
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Speaker 1: cyber stalking a little girl he meets playing Minecraft? What
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Speaker 1: the h E? Double L is a grown man doing
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Speaker 1: playing Minecraft? To start with with me, Renee defense attorney
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Speaker 1: joining me out of the Atlanta Jurisdiction Randy Kessler also
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Speaker 1: with me, former NYPD from the Harvard Law School's Internet
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Speaker 1: Safety Tech Task Force, John Cordillo also right now to
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Speaker 1: cum on Live dot com investigative reporter at Dave Dave mac.
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Speaker 1: When you have a grown man playing Minecraft, that should
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Speaker 1: set off all sorts of bells and whistles in your mind.
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Speaker 1: Let's just start at the beginning. Who is this guy?
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Speaker 1: Pasquala Solis. He is a twenty five year old sheriff's
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Speaker 1: deputy out of Texas who five years ago was online
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Speaker 1: playing Minecraft and started grooming this twelve year old girl. Now,
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Speaker 1: we just heard, according to Eric Kane joining us at
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Speaker 1: WHDH seven, that he had been meeting her through Minecraft,
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Speaker 1: a video game message board. And it's very, very unusual.
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Speaker 1: To John Cardillo, how do you groom a child long
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Speaker 1: distance if you're just talking online? I mean, it's really
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Speaker 1: become the most typical way to do it with the
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Speaker 1: advent of the internet. I mean, the last twenty years plus, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: online grooming has been actually more effective for the pedophiles
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Speaker 1: than in person grooming because they can at first convince
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Speaker 1: the kid that they're trustworthy. Right. Kids have been taught
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Speaker 1: for years, don't talk to strangers, don't talk to other adults.
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Speaker 1: But on the Internet, you're assuming a personality. You have
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Speaker 1: a fake identity, a live action role play identity, much
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Speaker 1: easier to form that bond and begin the grooming process. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, to Randy Kesser, renowned defense attorney joining me
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Speaker 1: right now, I don't know what kind of defense you'd
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Speaker 1: put up in a case like this, But I spoke
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Speaker 1: in depth with a now grown woman who as a
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Speaker 1: child met another girl, a little girl her age, in
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Speaker 1: a chat room. They talked and talked and talked for months.
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Speaker 1: Finally the little girl admitted he was actually a little boy.
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Speaker 1: Then he wanted her to come outside and meet him.
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Speaker 1: She went outside to meet him. It was not a
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Speaker 1: little boy. It was a grown man who forced her
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Speaker 1: into his car, tied her up, chained her to the floor,
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Speaker 1: molested her, assaulted her, beat her, had her in a
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Speaker 1: shot collar, and she believed he was killing her that
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Speaker 1: evening when she was saved Randy Kessler, this freaky purv
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Speaker 1: had been sending photos of her and live videos of
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Speaker 1: her to another pedophile, and another pedophile was so worried
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Speaker 1: he would murder Alicia that he called police. That's how
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Speaker 1: her life was saved by the FBI. So it happens
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Speaker 1: all the time. I don't know how you could mount
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Speaker 1: a defense when the purp is allegedly roring a twelve
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Speaker 1: year old little girl. He's in law enforcement, so you're right,
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Speaker 1: it's these are the most difficult cases to defend. On
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Speaker 1: one handle of the the hand, this guy is not accused
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Speaker 1: of doing what you just went through. He didn't have
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Speaker 1: the physical interaction, he was not dere outside. It's not
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Speaker 1: much of a defense. There's no way to say he's
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Speaker 1: a moral you know, good person. You don't want him
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Speaker 1: to go to jail because if he's in jail, everyone
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Speaker 1: in jail is going to hate him just as much
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Speaker 1: as you hate him. And in America hates people to
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Speaker 1: do this kind of stuff. So he's got to do
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Speaker 1: everything you can to stay out of jail. Agree to
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Speaker 1: go to whatever counseling, agree to in house. But it's
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Speaker 1: sling whoa, whoa that that cow is out of the
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Speaker 1: barn counseler counseling, m m M. And it's not that
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Speaker 1: he didn't have contact with her, Dave Matt. Isn't it
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Speaker 1: true that, according to the documents that we have obtained,
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Speaker 1: this deputy sheriff, then twenty five year old Pasqual Salis,
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Speaker 1: repeatedly ordered the girl to send him six images and
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Speaker 1: videos of herself when she's a miner, and then started
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Speaker 1: threatening her, threatening that he would release those images publicly
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Speaker 1: if she did not continue to send them. Actually, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: if you go back to this whole case, it starts
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Speaker 1: when she's twelve, and he spends time grooming her. About
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Speaker 1: the time she hits fourteen, she's already sent him some pictures,
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Speaker 1: some sexually explicit videos, but she's regretting it. And she
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Speaker 1: starts to cut the relationship off, and that was in
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. That's when he upped the annie and started
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Speaker 1: threatening and started demanding more and more and more, to
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Speaker 1: the point where he got control of her passwords for
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Speaker 1: all of her social media. He was tracking her online,
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Speaker 1: was able to find out where she was every minute
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Speaker 1: of the day. And by the way, because he was
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Speaker 1: in law enforcement, he had this girl convinced that he
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Speaker 1: had her under twenty four hour surveillance and that if
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Speaker 1: she didn't do exactly what he said. He claimed, I
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Speaker 1: own you. You have to do what I tell you.
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Speaker 1: That if she didn't do that, he would hurt her
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Speaker 1: family and release all the film and pictures that she
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Speaker 1: had already sent, and oh the shang, she imagined that
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Speaker 1: would cause her parents to John Cardillo, former NYPD with
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Speaker 1: the Harvard Law School Internet Safety Tech Task Force. John Cardillo,
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Speaker 1: what happened is my understanding. He meets her playing Minecraft
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Speaker 1: and then they start talking in a private Minecraft chat room.
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Speaker 1: Explain to me how that works. Well, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: an isolated environment, so the two players can connect to
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Speaker 1: one another and then begin a private chat. This can
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Speaker 1: be done under the guys who's almost anything. Nancy, right,
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Speaker 1: they're like minded players, They're on the same team, they're
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Speaker 1: in the same faction of the game. Because these games
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Speaker 1: are emulating life. They're a microcosm fantasy world of real life.
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Speaker 1: But the two other guests touch on something very interesting,
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Speaker 1: and I have to completely disagree with the counselor that
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Speaker 1: this guy deserves counseling and agree with Dave. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is a sheriff's deputy. He went through a process
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Speaker 1: to become law enforcement. He lied on his psychological evaluations,
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Speaker 1: his department gave polygraphs. He lied there, and then he
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Speaker 1: did the most heinous thing a cop could do. He
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Speaker 1: used his authority, not only abused his authority, but used
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Speaker 1: his authority and the cultural trust put in him by parents,
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Speaker 1: by society. Run to a police officer, little boy, little girl,
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Speaker 1: if you're in danger. He abused that and put fear
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Speaker 1: in the heart of a child by telling them they
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Speaker 1: were under surveillance and they and their family were in danger.
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Speaker 1: If she didn't do the most vile things for him,
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Speaker 1: he deserves life in prison, not counseling. He deserves life
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Speaker 1: in prison for the public corruption, and life in prison
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Speaker 1: for what he did to this kid. I have zero tolerance,
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Speaker 1: Nancy for corrupt cops, zero toler well and John Cardillo.
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Speaker 1: I guess you know this gives you job security. Randy Kessler,
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Speaker 1: a defense attorney out of Atlanta. But John Cardillo, if
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Speaker 1: we've got him threatening and intimidating and sending explicit videos
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Speaker 1: and photos of himself to her, a grown man, it's
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Speaker 1: like a cockroach. Okay. If he's doing this now with
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Speaker 1: one girl, in my mind, there's no telling how many
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Speaker 1: others he's tried it with or done it with. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we used to. When I looked at these cases when
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Speaker 1: I was active and then again on that task force
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Speaker 1: at a Harvard we speculated conservatively, and this was due
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Speaker 1: empirical data that for every case we knew about, there
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Speaker 1: were seven to eight victims we didn't So, Nancy, I
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Speaker 1: will hardly agree with you. I think that there are
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Speaker 1: many many other victims that could possibly come out of
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Speaker 1: the woodwork. Once this guy's online identities are revealed to
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Speaker 1: the public and other other data points about it, parents
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Speaker 1: kids might perk up and say, oh, man, we were
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Speaker 1: chatting with this guy online as well. But his online
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Speaker 1: name was ABC one two three, not x y Z
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Speaker 1: two three four, So that's gonna be left to be seen,
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Speaker 1: but it would not surprise me. In fact, I would
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Speaker 1: expect that to be the case. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Accordance to the thirteen page indictment unsealed Wednesday, the twenty
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Speaker 1: five year old deputy would refer to himself as Geno
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Speaker 1: and Daddy, and the minor as baby girl. Prosecutors say
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Speaker 1: the two met online back in twenty fourteen, when the
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Speaker 1: victim was twelve. Over the years, authorities say the girls
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Speaker 1: sent him hundreds of explicit photos of herself. She's now
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Speaker 1: seventeen and reported two police this past spring. She believed
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Speaker 1: the Texas deputy was tracking her movements via social media,
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Speaker 1: and he was allegedly threatening to publish her explicit photos
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Speaker 1: or rape her sister if she didn't continue to send
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Speaker 1: him nude pictures. You're hearing our friend Eric Kane at
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Speaker 1: WHDH News seven and that's not all joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac she believed
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Speaker 1: he was watching her twenty four seven three sixty five.
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Speaker 1: Is it true he would pick out her clothes for jewelry?
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Speaker 1: This is a twelve year old little girl. We're talking
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Speaker 1: about absolutely. He actually had her so under his thumb
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Speaker 1: for so long that he had her where she had
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Speaker 1: to actually take pictures of what she was going to
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Speaker 1: wear before she went out. She had to share passwords
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Speaker 1: with all of her online things that she would chat
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Speaker 1: with other people, so that he could read and see
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Speaker 1: her chats and who she was talking to. So we
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Speaker 1: went beyond just what she was wearing where she was going.
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Speaker 1: He told her and convinced her that she was his
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Speaker 1: property and that there was nothing she could do without
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Speaker 1: his permission. And by the way, Nancy, you mentioned something
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Speaker 1: a minute ago about others. Possibly one person has come forward.
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Speaker 1: She's fifteen years old. The police are investigating that one
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Speaker 1: right now. Let me ask you this day, Matt, what
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Speaker 1: was his online handle? Did he have a fake name
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Speaker 1: he used online? He actually used Gino actually on Facebook.
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Speaker 1: I went and tried to pull up his page. He
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Speaker 1: wanted her to call him either Gino or daddy. Oh
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Speaker 1: please Gino g I n yes, ma'am, because if you
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Speaker 1: have any information regarding this guy. Former deputy share of
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Speaker 1: Pasqual Salas sa Las goes under screen named Geno g
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Speaker 1: I n O call six one seven seven four eight
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Speaker 1: three two seven four repeat six one seven seven four
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Speaker 1: eight three two seven four. Now it's my understanding a
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Speaker 1: cyberstalking charge as a sentence up to five years behind
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Speaker 1: bars in a fine of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: This guy does not have two hundred fifty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: But that's cyberstalking, swich he obviously did. But what about
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Speaker 1: enticement of a minor and lude lascivious behavior? And I
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Speaker 1: would consider this to be purveying and exchanging child pornography?
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Speaker 1: What about that? Kesseler with me? Randy Kessler, renewed defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: What about it? Kessler? I think he's guys in trouble,
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Speaker 1: you know, and your guests are commenting about how this
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Speaker 1: guys shouldn't get counseling. I'm not saying you should get counseling.
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Speaker 1: You asked me, how do you defend him? You throw
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Speaker 1: everything out there except for jail time, because when he's
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Speaker 1: in jail, it doesn't matter what the sentence is. Once
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Speaker 1: he's in jail for one day, the other prisoners are
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Speaker 1: going to take care of him. And that's no place,
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Speaker 1: not jailhouse justice. Again, I've only known in my life
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Speaker 1: of three people that got jailhouse justice out of the
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Speaker 1: millions of people that go to jail who talks. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not even including Epstein in that because he may
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Speaker 1: may m y capital m have a committed suicide. So
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Speaker 1: I'm not relying on inmates to do my business for me.
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Speaker 1: I want to put him in jail. I want to
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Speaker 1: senence him. I don't want to count on them to
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Speaker 1: do it. And you did, in fact say get him counseling.
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Speaker 1: You did say that. Counseler, we all heard it, asked
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Speaker 1: how to defend them, I said, you throw out every option,
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Speaker 1: because when he's in jail, he's in trouble. So that's
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Speaker 1: absolutely what you do. You throw every single option, every
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Speaker 1: kind of counseling, every kind of program, every kind of
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Speaker 1: environment that keeps him from being in jail where people
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Speaker 1: are going to do jail house justice, and you know
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Speaker 1: what happens, and you can talk about it and not
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Speaker 1: talk about it. He's not going to be a leader
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Speaker 1: in the jailhouse, that's for sure now. No, he won't be.
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Speaker 1: To John Cardillo, former NYPD with Harvard Law School's Internet
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Speaker 1: Safety Tech Task Force, again, explain to me how you
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Speaker 1: can innocently go from playing a game of Minecraft, because
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Speaker 1: my son I love him so much, He's always building
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Speaker 1: me mansions on Minecraft. It's like, look, mom, look at
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Speaker 1: this mansion I build out of pearls. Let me just
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Speaker 1: say that at or diamonds. I build this for you. Mon.
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Speaker 1: Look and it's got this, and it's got that, and
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Speaker 1: it's near a lake and it's got an underground bunker
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Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah. And he's so innocent
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Speaker 1: and so sweet and now he's got his sister. They
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Speaker 1: play it together. I don't know how you do that,
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Speaker 1: But how do you go from playing an innocent game
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Speaker 1: too you're in a private chair and with a purv
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Speaker 1: oh you know, look, these people are in manipulative So
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Speaker 1: your kids are about the same age as my niece
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Speaker 1: and nephew. My nephew's fourteen, my nieces eleven, and my
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Speaker 1: brother is constantly the leading their social media because they're
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Speaker 1: kids and they do innocent things. At a pool in
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Speaker 1: the backyard, my knees will put on Instagram pictures of
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Speaker 1: her in a bikini jumping into the pool. That throws
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Speaker 1: my brother into a livid frenzy and he deletes them
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Speaker 1: because we know, yeah, from the work I've done that
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Speaker 1: you know there are pedophile dream they would exploit that, right,
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Speaker 1: And so the key for parents it's very easy for
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Speaker 1: the bad guy to chat up the kid because, like
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Speaker 1: I said previously, they already have a mutual interest, they're
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Speaker 1: playing the same game. He's got his in and I
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Speaker 1: say he because in the cases we've come across, over
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Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of child sexual predators are men. Women
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Speaker 1: are very rare, and typically when women are involved, they
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Speaker 1: were coursed into it by the man. They're typically beaten
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Speaker 1: and we're a victim prior themselves, similar we saw in
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Speaker 1: the Epstein case. And so what we have here is
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Speaker 1: they're very manipulative and these guys are very smart. The
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Speaker 1: other problem, Nancy, is there's really no profile on them.
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Speaker 1: I was sitting in a steakhouse not long ago and
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Speaker 1: a friend of mine said, I can't wait to find
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Speaker 1: out how you're going to work you at a steakhouse
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Speaker 1: into this story, but playse go ahead. Well, no, we
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Speaker 1: were sitting in a steakhouse, me and a couple of
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Speaker 1: guys about my age and similar backgrounds education, and one
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Speaker 1: of them we were talking about these cases and they said, well,
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Speaker 1: what's the you know, what do we look for with
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Speaker 1: our kids? What's the profile of a pedophile? And I
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Speaker 1: said us every other guy in this room, there really is.
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Speaker 1: There really is no profile. Oftentimes you'll find their middle class,
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Speaker 1: upper middle class, affluent because they need a private place
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Speaker 1: to do these things, access to technology, and in these cases,
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Speaker 1: going back to your point, they already have a common
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Speaker 1: interest with the child. So now you have somebody that's
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Speaker 1: relatively well educated. They're playing the same game. They know
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Speaker 1: the characters the kids gravitate too, so they've got that
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Speaker 1: in which as an adult it seems very rudimentary to us,
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Speaker 1: but to a kid it's relatively sophisticated when they begin
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Speaker 1: talking to them and explaining the nuances of the character
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Speaker 1: and how they also like them. So for the grooming
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Speaker 1: component of it for the pedophile is very easy. A kid,
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Speaker 1: for lack of a better terms, is an easy mark.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying this through Is it true, Dave
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Speaker 1: Mac that he would call her every single night and
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Speaker 1: threaten her with what would happen if she did not
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Speaker 1: pick the phone up? Yes, And Nancy, it was even
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Speaker 1: worse than that, because as she got a little bit older,
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Speaker 1: she started cutting off ties. She wanted to separate from
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Speaker 1: him a couple of years ago, and he then started
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Speaker 1: getting sneaky. He started using other phones, He used numbers,
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Speaker 1: and he used programs that could mask who he was
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Speaker 1: calling from or where he was calling from, so that
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Speaker 1: she would answer the phone. He was just all about
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Speaker 1: tying this girl up in knots in every way that
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Speaker 1: he could. And it was multiple times a day, not
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Speaker 1: just once a day that he called her. He would
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Speaker 1: call her and keep her tied up so that she
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Speaker 1: could do nothing else. He is accused of soliciting this
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Speaker 1: little girl, starting at age twelve, to send him hundreds
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Speaker 1: hundreds of sex images and videos of herself through multiple
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Speaker 1: social media platform and then he in return sent her
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Speaker 1: sex explicit photos of himself to this little girl now.
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Speaker 1: In a statement, the local Madagorga County sheriff's office said
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Speaker 1: he had been relieved by the department. I guess that
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Speaker 1: means fired. It was a total surprise to them when
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Speaker 1: the FBI notified them about his arrest. He had no
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Speaker 1: recorded notice, they said, recorded issues at the sheriff's office.
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Speaker 1: How can that be to John Cardillo? How can that
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Speaker 1: be that he seems so normal? Now, we had a
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Speaker 1: case like this with a North Carolina deputy of several
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Speaker 1: years back, similar situation, a well regarded guy, community resource deputy.
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Speaker 1: He was the guy that would go around the store
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Speaker 1: owners in schools and got them anything they needed. It's
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Speaker 1: impeccable record, community awards. He wasn't on the radars. These
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Speaker 1: are the crimes that keep police awakened, ny name, so
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Speaker 1: you know this is a prosecutor that kept you awake
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Speaker 1: as well. These ones you can't see coming by all
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Speaker 1: rights and accounts, this guy was a vetted, qualified, certified
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Speaker 1: law enforcement officer in the state of Texas. His peers
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Speaker 1: didn't see anything abnormal about him. And this is typically
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Speaker 1: and terrifyingly what we see in these cases. They're very
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Speaker 1: good at covering their tracks. I mean, had he given
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Speaker 1: any indication that this was his proclivity, he wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: been hired by this sheriff's office. But he didn't. He
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Speaker 1: passed the flying colors, got his badge, got his gun,
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Speaker 1: and he was really the ultimate predator. Once you have
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Speaker 1: that law enforcement authority, that badge, that gun, that patch
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Speaker 1: on your shoulder, you really are the ultimate predator. If
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Speaker 1: you're a nefarious person Hi, guys. Fancy Grace here, a
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Speaker 1: beautiful mom of two. In fact, I call her a
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Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon look alike because its a lot of pictures
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Speaker 1: that's exactly who she looks like. The mother of two
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Speaker 1: beautiful little children, including an eight year old little girl,
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Speaker 1: is found dead in a bloody bathtub a slip and fall,
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Speaker 1: and her eight year old daughter Anna is the one
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Speaker 1: that found her. This Saturday, six o'clock Eastern five Central
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Speaker 1: on Oxygen Injustice with Nancy Grace, we investigate the death
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Speaker 1: of Shelley Danishevsky because I do not believe this was
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Speaker 1: there has been a grave injustice on many levels. Please
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace him and alleges years of
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Speaker 1: manipulation and control where he would force her to follow
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Speaker 1: his rules, some of them included when going out outfit
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Speaker 1: must be approved by me. No guys around, period, And
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Speaker 1: he told her you belong to me. You're my property,
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Speaker 1: so I can treat you however I want. If she
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Speaker 1: did not comply, he threatened her with sexual violence. The
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Speaker 1: deputy is now in custody. The deputy under arrest will
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Speaker 1: go before I Judge in Texas tomorrow. Eventually he'll be
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Speaker 1: extradited here to Massachusetts to face the cyberstocking charges. You
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Speaker 1: are hearing our friends at whd H Action News, and
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Speaker 1: that was reporter Eric Kane who has been investigating this
21:38
Speaker 1: along with us. Not only that, this sheriff's deputy, Piscoal Salas,
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Speaker 1: also threatened punishment on this twelve year old little girl,
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Speaker 1: including gagging her, choking her, and other sex explicit actions.
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Speaker 1: This all started when she was just a little girl,
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Speaker 1: and he would threaten to send the photos of her
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Speaker 1: to her family her friends to intimidate her into sending
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Speaker 1: him more sexually explicit material. He threatened her not to
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Speaker 1: change her passwords or her social media accounts so he
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Speaker 1: could continue to access them. He threatened to physically harm
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Speaker 1: her and rape her and her sister if she did
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Speaker 1: not obey every single one of his orders. She tried
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Speaker 1: to break it off, but every time she was met
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Speaker 1: with threats. According to the affidavit she provided that we
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Speaker 1: have obtained, she said that quote Gino called her almost
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Speaker 1: every night and required her to stay on the phone
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Speaker 1: with him for hours at a time in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night that she could barely function during daylight
22:53
Speaker 1: hours and struggle to maintain a normal life. Now, hold
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Speaker 1: on just a minute, where are the parents during all
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Speaker 1: of this? Randy Kessler, you've raised children before. Now, true,
23:06
Speaker 1: you are a defense attorney. But Randy Kessler, how could
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Speaker 1: the parents didn't know she's on the phone in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the night for hours on end. Well, you're
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Speaker 1: a parent to and kids are smarter than parents nowadays,
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Speaker 1: and kids understand technology. Bet well, spake for yourself. Knock
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Speaker 1: on wood. I bet you stuff. You don't even know
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Speaker 1: your kids are doing. Even Nancy Grace has you know it?
23:25
Speaker 1: May you know what? They may be doing it as
23:27
Speaker 1: we do. You shut your mouth over right now. Bet
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Speaker 1: your kids just lead John David Lucy out of this.
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Speaker 1: They've done dirty jokes and things. But your kids are
23:34
Speaker 1: better than the average, that's for sure, one percent. But
23:37
Speaker 1: I'm sure, okay, just a natural instinct, right do stuff
23:40
Speaker 1: we don't want mommy and daddy to find out about.
23:41
Speaker 1: Mommy Daddy don't know stuff they're old that happens, and
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Speaker 1: that's Unfortunately with this guy's praying on look aside from
23:47
Speaker 1: him being a horrible person, being a law enforcement officer,
23:50
Speaker 1: it's it's double you know, bad for him. If he
23:53
Speaker 1: goes to jail, he is just going to get it,
23:55
Speaker 1: and he probably deserves it. I don't know if I
23:57
Speaker 1: take his case, if I was, the question for defense
24:00
Speaker 1: is he the one who did it? Not is what
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Speaker 1: he did? Okay? Is there defense to it? There's not
24:04
Speaker 1: a lot of defenses to it. The only defense is
24:06
Speaker 1: you better line it up. It'll be absolutely sure you
24:08
Speaker 1: got the right guy, because if it's not the right guy,
24:10
Speaker 1: then it's a track. Well, I guess you could attack
24:12
Speaker 1: it forensically Randy Kessler regarding but then they've got the
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Speaker 1: IP address and there's so many thousands of communications. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he says he's with law enforcement. They can track it
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Speaker 1: to his home computer and IP address. He sends photos
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Speaker 1: of himself, and it's I mean, you know, they can
24:35
Speaker 1: track that. They can see his face, they can see
24:37
Speaker 1: his body and identify that that is him. So you
24:40
Speaker 1: can't get out of it that way, right, And he's
24:42
Speaker 1: been doing it so long you probably got very comfortable,
24:44
Speaker 1: very secure, and very lazy. Didn't go to an internet
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Speaker 1: shop or a WiFi shop. He probably did everything from
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Speaker 1: his house, thinking I've never been caught yet. Winter. He
24:52
Speaker 1: probably didn't even realize how wrong it was after he's
24:54
Speaker 1: done it for so long. It's just these people that
24:56
Speaker 1: have it's got to be metal disorder right now, Oh,
24:59
Speaker 1: don't start with disorder plays. I was just waiting for
25:01
Speaker 1: you to go there, Mandy Keusser, Do you have no
25:04
Speaker 1: shame at all? Just answer that that's yes. No, Do
25:06
Speaker 1: you have no shame? I have no shament seeing that
25:09
Speaker 1: this guy's got mental problems of it. Okay, all right, okay,
25:12
Speaker 1: you know here's another thing. Dave Matt, correct me if
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong with me. Dave Matt Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. She tried to end contact with this deputy
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Speaker 1: sheriff and told him her parents quote knew everything, and
25:25
Speaker 1: I'm learning this from the affidavit. Okay, she blocked a
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Speaker 1: cell phone. She blocked him from all of her social contacts.
25:35
Speaker 1: Then he started to text her from a phone with
25:38
Speaker 1: an unrecognizable number. He also introduced her to two other
25:43
Speaker 1: men online, identifying themselves as Johnny and Levi. According to
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Speaker 1: her affidavit, forced her to send photos to Levi, but
25:53
Speaker 1: no one else has been charged with the crimes. Do
25:56
Speaker 1: you think Johnny and Levi are real? Or where the
25:59
Speaker 1: photos go to him under a different name? You know, Nancy,
26:02
Speaker 1: it's a great question, because this guy was conniving. I
26:05
Speaker 1: actually think he forwarded some out. I was looking through
26:08
Speaker 1: that paperwork just for that reason. But I do think
26:11
Speaker 1: that he actually shared some of the photos and videos
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Speaker 1: with some of his so called friends. One other point
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Speaker 1: to make too, is you talked about the pictures and
26:20
Speaker 1: whether he could claim it wasn't him. Well, it's gonna
26:22
Speaker 1: be really tough for him to claim that the picture
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Speaker 1: of him in uniform in his squad car a video
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Speaker 1: on patrol that he sent to her. It's gonna be
26:30
Speaker 1: tough to prove that's not him. Wasn't well well wait wait,
26:33
Speaker 1: did he have on all his clothes? Yes? He it
26:35
Speaker 1: wasn't it was not Well, I'm going to assume that
26:38
Speaker 1: I'm going to take that back. I don't know he
26:40
Speaker 1: was in his uniform in his share. I mean, he
26:42
Speaker 1: sends all these sex videos and pictures, Why send one
26:45
Speaker 1: with your clothes on? Yeah, because he was on patrol
26:47
Speaker 1: and trying to prove that he was. I figured it
26:50
Speaker 1: was part of the control. He's saying, see, yeah, yeah, yeah,
26:53
Speaker 1: I think you're right. We also know that he bought
26:55
Speaker 1: her gifts, including jewelry edible arrangements. Okay, so that's slight
27:00
Speaker 1: when they send you like pineapple and strawberries on sticks
27:04
Speaker 1: like their flowers. Itune gift cards gave her access to
27:09
Speaker 1: his Amazon Prime account, so all of that can be
27:11
Speaker 1: traced back to him. John Cardillo got a question. She
27:18
Speaker 1: blocked him on social media. So let's just say you've
27:20
Speaker 1: got a Twitter account and you block somebody. Do they
27:25
Speaker 1: know immediately they've been blocked? How does that work? Now
27:28
Speaker 1: they'll have to go to the account, try to find
27:29
Speaker 1: you and realize they can no longer see you on
27:31
Speaker 1: Facebook or Twitter. But then all they really need to
27:33
Speaker 1: do is they need to just set up a new
27:35
Speaker 1: account right under a different name. And if you don't
27:38
Speaker 1: and go into say Twitter or Facebook and also disable
27:42
Speaker 1: the ability for a person you're not friends with or
27:45
Speaker 1: that you don't follow or follows you to send you
27:47
Speaker 1: private messages. They can then contact you again, very very easily.
27:51
Speaker 1: So you block me, Nancy, and I want to get
27:53
Speaker 1: in touch with you, I just create a new account,
27:55
Speaker 1: and if you don't disable private messages, I say, Hey, Nancy,
27:57
Speaker 1: it's Cardilo. Hahaha. You thought you locked me. It didn't.
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Speaker 1: I'm still able to contact you, which they did. But
28:03
Speaker 1: wouldn't you have to be very tech savvy to know
28:07
Speaker 1: all that I mean? But a regular person know all that?
28:10
Speaker 1: I mean? When you block somebody, do they know that
28:13
Speaker 1: they've been blocked? To know only if they proact, if
28:16
Speaker 1: you tell them, or they proactively go to contact you
28:19
Speaker 1: and search for your profile. But to answer your question,
28:22
Speaker 1: a sheriff's deputy would know that. A sheriff's deputy would
28:25
Speaker 1: certainly know that because they would use that even though
28:28
Speaker 1: he was a road patrol deputy in these smaller agencies,
28:32
Speaker 1: and I was at the NYPD. We've got forty thousand cops, right,
28:35
Speaker 1: We've got detective bureaus, detective squads. But in these smaller agencies,
28:39
Speaker 1: oftentimes the road patrol deputies will do investigations. I was
28:42
Speaker 1: shocked to find out that Hampshire State troopers act as
28:46
Speaker 1: prosecutors in miscommunic cases. They actually go because the state
28:50
Speaker 1: is so small and understaffed, there's no prosecutor in the
28:53
Speaker 1: room for certain misdemeanor cases, so it's not uncommon for
28:56
Speaker 1: uniform law enforcement officers to conduct investigations as well. He
29:00
Speaker 1: probably would have gotten basic training and the fundamentals of
29:04
Speaker 1: how internet investigations work. He would have known this. But
29:07
Speaker 1: let me add something that's being missed in this story.
29:09
Speaker 1: The otherr crime here, Nancy. Every bad guy he's arrested, murderers, rapists,
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Speaker 1: domestic violence, abusers, serial drunk drivers, robbers, extortionists, they now
29:22
Speaker 1: all have good grounds for appeal. Randy'll tell you that.
29:25
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the first thing a defense lawyer
29:27
Speaker 1: is going to now do is say, well, how do
29:29
Speaker 1: we know what he said on the stand was truth full?
29:30
Speaker 1: He lied to the department about his proclivities. He passed
29:34
Speaker 1: the psychological which means that the department psychological evaluations are flawed.
29:38
Speaker 1: So there might be a lot of other bad guys.
29:41
Speaker 1: We're gonna do heinous things to people walking free very
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Speaker 1: soon because of this guy. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: The Feds say the two met online when the girl
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Speaker 1: was only twelve, and prosecutors say this sheriff deputy would
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Speaker 1: manipulate and threaten her all the way from Texas, a
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Speaker 1: Texas sheriff deputy accused of cyberstocking a Wooster County teenager
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Speaker 1: through the popular video game Minecraft. According to the thirteen
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Speaker 1: page indictment unsealed Wednesday, the twenty five year old deputy
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Speaker 1: would refer to himself as Geno and Daddy, and the
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Speaker 1: miner as baby Girl. Prosecutors say the two met online
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Speaker 1: back in twenty fourteen, when the victim was twelve. Over
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Speaker 1: the years, authorities say the girls sent him hundreds of
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Speaker 1: explicit photos of herself. She's now seventeen and reported to
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Speaker 1: police this past spring. She believed the Texas deputy was
30:44
Speaker 1: tracking her movements via social media, and he was allegedly
30:47
Speaker 1: threatening to publish her explicit photos or rape her sister
30:51
Speaker 1: if she didn't continue to send him nude pictures. That's
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Speaker 1: our friend. At actiones seven, WHDH Eric came porting and
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Speaker 1: indictment goes down on a deputy sheriff arrest of her
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Speaker 1: cybrus talking. We keep saying a team. But she was
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Speaker 1: only twelve years old, innocently playing Minecraft at home with
31:11
Speaker 1: her family when the whole thing started with me. John
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Speaker 1: Cardillo from an NYPD, Randy Kessler, renowned defense attorney, and
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Speaker 1: Dave matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John Cardillo.
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Speaker 1: You were saying that because of what he's done, he
31:26
Speaker 1: is jeopardized hundreds, if not thousands of cases because he
31:31
Speaker 1: now could have been cross examined on the stand every
31:35
Speaker 1: time he testified to Randy Kessler, how does that work?
31:39
Speaker 1: You know, credibility is always an issue when he's the
31:41
Speaker 1: prosecuting witness and he's the one. I arrived and I
31:43
Speaker 1: saw the dependant doing X, Y and Z. You know,
31:46
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you got to say, and you
31:47
Speaker 1: would tell the truth always right, there's nothing you've ever
31:50
Speaker 1: lied about, and you go right into what he's lied
31:51
Speaker 1: about him when he's covering up, and then you get
31:53
Speaker 1: into it. You don't ever want to put him on
31:55
Speaker 1: the stand as a prosecutor. You can't. He's done well.
31:57
Speaker 1: I remember very well. I don't know if you remember this,
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Speaker 1: Randy Kesser, because we were in the same jurisdiction at
32:03
Speaker 1: the time, me prosecuting, you defending. But I had worked many,
32:09
Speaker 1: many cases with three vice detectives and we had just
32:13
Speaker 1: been working on a child prostitution ring. I had been
32:18
Speaker 1: out on the street with these three specifically, either all
32:23
Speaker 1: three one or two of them in various combinations every
32:27
Speaker 1: day trying to crack this ring. We finally did it.
32:30
Speaker 1: We took it to trial at a star thirteen year
32:33
Speaker 1: old witness. Long story short, I got a mistrial in
32:38
Speaker 1: my opening statement because I called the defendant a pimp. Well,
32:42
Speaker 1: retried it, got a conviction. About let's just say six
32:49
Speaker 1: months later, I happened to look up at the TV
32:54
Speaker 1: and I see what looked to be these three guys
32:58
Speaker 1: in orange jumpsuits in federal court. I couldn't really tell
33:04
Speaker 1: if it was them, because you know, in federal court
33:05
Speaker 1: there are not cameras, so all I had were those
33:08
Speaker 1: horrible sketch artists, you know, likenesses, and I'm like, dang,
33:14
Speaker 1: that looks like them. Well, lo and behold it was them.
33:18
Speaker 1: They had been ripping off dopers, dope lords of their
33:23
Speaker 1: plasma TV screens, their gold chains, all their money, whatever
33:28
Speaker 1: they had laying around, and they had been doing it
33:30
Speaker 1: for so long, the dopers, the dopers actually went to
33:34
Speaker 1: the cops, and the cops set up The Feds, of course,
33:38
Speaker 1: set up cameras and stung the three vice cops. And
33:43
Speaker 1: I thought, first of all, I couldn't believe it. Because
33:46
Speaker 1: I thought that I knew them so well. Then I
33:49
Speaker 1: immediately thought, oh, my stars, all the cases they have
33:53
Speaker 1: ever testified in are now going to be reversed. That's
33:57
Speaker 1: a sobering thought. Randy Kessler. I'm sure you were just
34:01
Speaker 1: throwing up in your mouth when you saw that on
34:02
Speaker 1: TV and taking all those successful prosecutions you had as
34:05
Speaker 1: a prosecutor right out the window. And there's nothing worse
34:09
Speaker 1: for a prosecutor that's done such a good job like
34:11
Speaker 1: you to see. I'm sure, oh my star, So what
34:13
Speaker 1: you're saying, John Cardillo is absolutely correct. Yeah. I mean,
34:17
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen sadly. Right, So you go back
34:20
Speaker 1: to the worst of the worst. This guy's arrested. Now,
34:23
Speaker 1: the fortunate part of this year, it was only a
34:26
Speaker 1: deputy for a few years. So hopefully in that time
34:30
Speaker 1: he only had dozens, maybe you know, under a hundred
34:33
Speaker 1: of these serious arrests. Hopefully you know far and less.
34:35
Speaker 1: You know what, I still don't get, Cardilo. I've asked you,
34:38
Speaker 1: this is now my third try. That's what I would
34:41
Speaker 1: always do in court if I couldn't get the answer
34:43
Speaker 1: I wanted or understood, I just keep trying in a
34:46
Speaker 1: different way, I still don't understand how you go from
34:49
Speaker 1: playing Minecraft to suddenly being in a chat room. How
34:52
Speaker 1: do you get into a chat room? I mean physically,
34:56
Speaker 1: how do you go from the game into a chat room?
34:59
Speaker 1: I don't understand that, right, And let me give you
35:01
Speaker 1: a specific answer on that. It's not a chat room
35:05
Speaker 1: like we're thinking of back in the nineties when AOL
35:07
Speaker 1: had chat rooms. In these games, there's typically just a
35:11
Speaker 1: chat bar on the side, and players are given the
35:15
Speaker 1: option of moving that chat to a private chat So
35:18
Speaker 1: it's really just there would be like a scrolling screen
35:20
Speaker 1: on the side of the monitor with people making various
35:23
Speaker 1: comments on the game, commenting on the players, on the characters,
35:27
Speaker 1: and that you do have the option. Players do have
35:29
Speaker 1: the option to move into a private chat area or
35:33
Speaker 1: make their chat private, so that typically it's innocuous, an
35:36
Speaker 1: innocent right. It's just a group of people will play
35:38
Speaker 1: the game and they don't want all that chatter bogging
35:41
Speaker 1: down their conversation because there might be six or seven
35:43
Speaker 1: other people in the public chat populating the chat browser
35:48
Speaker 1: in between them replying to one another. But it's then
35:51
Speaker 1: certainly an effective tool for bad guys to groom children. Hey,
35:54
Speaker 1: ABC one two three, child, Do you want to move
35:57
Speaker 1: this chat private? Yes, they move at private and then
36:00
Speaker 1: they're in a chat room. But don't think of it
36:01
Speaker 1: in the context of chat rooms like we saw in
36:04
Speaker 1: the early days of the Internet. It's simply the scrolling
36:07
Speaker 1: public chat. Okay, let me understand something else, and this
36:11
Speaker 1: is to you, Dave matt with me Crime online dot
36:13
Speaker 1: com investigative reporter where you can find this and all
36:16
Speaker 1: other breaking criming justice news that Crime online. Dave Mackett
36:20
Speaker 1: seems to me that every time he shared a sexually
36:25
Speaker 1: explicit photo of this twelve year old little girl, that
36:28
Speaker 1: that in itself would be another count for which he
36:31
Speaker 1: should be charged. They're not even close to finished with
36:36
Speaker 1: the charging stuff yet, Nancy. What we got was the
36:39
Speaker 1: thirteen page indictment, and we've got all that information that
36:42
Speaker 1: we've been sharing. But yeah, he's still facing the cyberstocking
36:46
Speaker 1: charges in Massachusetts. What we're dealing with is just in
36:49
Speaker 1: Texas right now. Once he gets the Massachusetts where the
36:53
Speaker 1: victim lives, this takes on a whole new ball game
36:56
Speaker 1: with a whole new set of charges where each one
36:59
Speaker 1: of those photo where this girl was underage sexually explicit videos,
37:04
Speaker 1: disgusting explicit chat said he had with that girl. And
37:08
Speaker 1: remember she was twelve when this started. He was grooming
37:12
Speaker 1: her to the point where she wanted to get away
37:14
Speaker 1: before she was even fourteen. So you've got a girl
37:17
Speaker 1: under the age of fourteen that was sending pictures and
37:20
Speaker 1: things like that that he was using to threaten her with.
37:22
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be charges for each one of those videos,
37:25
Speaker 1: each one of those pictures. What do we know about
37:27
Speaker 1: him as a person, What do we know about his life, Dave.
37:31
Speaker 1: We found out that he has only been a sheriff's
37:33
Speaker 1: deputy for a couple of years. As Cardillo mentioned, though
37:36
Speaker 1: this is a guy with a squeaky clean image, nobody
37:39
Speaker 1: there had any clue he was only what twenty years
37:44
Speaker 1: old the first year sheriff's deputy when he started this.
37:47
Speaker 1: So he's actually been involved in luring this girl since
37:51
Speaker 1: his first days as a sheriff's deputy, and nobody knew it.
37:56
Speaker 1: They didn't know until the FBI said, hey, we're arresting
37:59
Speaker 1: this guy. Now. They fired him right away, obviously, that's
38:02
Speaker 1: why they say he's a former deputy. He was a
38:05
Speaker 1: deputy up until a month ago. You know what. I've
38:08
Speaker 1: also noticed that he has an AKA. People referred to
38:12
Speaker 1: him as Gino. That's just not a screen name that
38:16
Speaker 1: he was using. That's what of his akaas? What does
38:19
Speaker 1: that mean to you? Kessler means he's very comfortable. He's not.
38:23
Speaker 1: You know again, it goes to his metal you're not
38:24
Speaker 1: gonna like this. It goes to his mental status. He
38:26
Speaker 1: didn't think he was doing anything wrong. He was bold,
38:28
Speaker 1: and that's who I am. He used his real name
38:30
Speaker 1: with her. Why would he do that unless he was
38:33
Speaker 1: thought he was impune or he was a law enforcement'll
38:35
Speaker 1: never catched me. I'm above the law. It just goes
38:37
Speaker 1: to his mentality. He just did not think he was
38:40
Speaker 1: ever going to get caught, or that it was even
38:42
Speaker 1: that bad. Yeah, you're right, You're right. He was pretty
38:44
Speaker 1: arrogant to John Cardillo from an NYPD. We also know
38:48
Speaker 1: that he used Skype and snap Chat, and I've learned
38:52
Speaker 1: that from court documents. What if anything does that mean
38:54
Speaker 1: to you as to how they're going to prove this case. Well,
38:56
Speaker 1: I mean, he's left an incredibly robust digital trap, so
39:00
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna make this case. The important thing is
39:02
Speaker 1: now that the FBI is involved. The bureaus involved these
39:06
Speaker 1: images typically I think federally right Carrie, sentences of up
39:09
Speaker 1: to thirty years, depending on how implicit they are explicit
39:12
Speaker 1: they are each So that's number one, he's in a
39:15
Speaker 1: lot of trouble. Number two, the Bureau is probably going
39:18
Speaker 1: to go back to his high school because, as Randy noted,
39:21
Speaker 1: and they've noted, this guy was doing this while he
39:24
Speaker 1: was a probationary deputy, meaning he was doing it while
39:26
Speaker 1: he was in the academy, meaning he was doing it
39:28
Speaker 1: before that. So they're probably gonna now go back to
39:30
Speaker 1: high school and start talking to people that knew him, classmates.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna, I believe they'll uncover a Pandora's box here.
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Speaker 1: But what Skype and Snapchat and all these other right now,
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Speaker 1: you can bet your bottom dollar subpoenas have been issued
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Speaker 1: to all of them for his entire history, and there's
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Speaker 1: a treasure trove of digital intelligence. So this investigation is really,
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Speaker 1: as they've noted in its early early stages, by the
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Speaker 1: time this has done, this guy's probably facing multiple life terms. Well,
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Speaker 1: we know the US Attorney's Office has announced a new
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Speaker 1: char carrying a mandatory fifteen year prison sentence of six
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Speaker 1: exploitation of a minor. We'll see where it goes. I
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Speaker 1: think the investigation goes on. But for all of you
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Speaker 1: parents listening, this all started on Minecraft and then moved
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Speaker 1: into a private chat room. We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: two four Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off. Goodbye friend,