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Personal Defense - What The News Teaches Can Save Your Life · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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We are joined by Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group and our personal defense
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segment. We do this twice a month on Wednesdays, and when there's a
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fifth Wednesday, I believe that's August, we have a Q and a session
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coming up. How you doing, man, my friend, I'm doing fantastic,
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fantastic. I always look forward, whether you know it or not,
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to coming over here on the Wednesday that I get now. Used, you
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know, when it was local, it was easy and I don't have to
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get up at you know, five am, and drive an hour and make
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a dog arrangements for the dogs get over here. Like a minute ago,
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I'm chasing around the parking lot trying to get them back in the car.
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So I do the show. And how does that work for you? Literally
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working in two time zones? It's weird. Yeah, I would guess who
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would be? Yeah, I'm so. I live in Central and where I
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grew up, got used to Eastern for all those years. Now I have
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to, I really really have to think about because I'm in Dothan one day,
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I'm in Tallahassee the next. Sometimes I stay in Marianne. It just
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depends. I'm on the computer. I can do anything from anywhere. I
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can. I can log into any of our any of our computers from my
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phone now and and see what you know, it's going on with it.
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So I can work from anywhere. But I when you're setting a calendar date
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for an appointment and you're in Eastern, it puts it on Eastern, and
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then you're over there, and then it's all. It's just it's confusing.
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I'll be in Dothan, put something on the calendar for Tallahassee, and then
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you know, or I fast for I don't know if I'm laid, if
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I'm early. I use a lot of parentheses when I when I write calendar
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events and I'm in different time zones, it is it's you know, but
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without technology. You know, I was thinking about this because I live in
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my hometown where I grew up, and we used to ride around town,
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and you know, I'm from like you you know, I remember the long
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a chord on the telephone was a good thing because then you could sit on
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the floor, were over the you know, the phones on the wall or
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on the table, and that's chord getting wound up and trying to you know,
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sit there on a party line and talk to some girl or your buddy
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or whatever. And you know, riding around town with a CB radio so
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we could find the party or where everybody was hanging out. Good buddy,
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you know it was everybody had a handle and so it was, you know,
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just nowadays, I don't know how anybody actually was wildly successful back in
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the day because you just don't have the ability to leverage things. And my
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phone in my hand over here, I mean I had to silence it a
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minute ago. But if if it weren't for that link to technology, I
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would probably lead a happier, simpler life. Sure, but now I'll just
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lead a happy, complicated life. Yeah, you know, it's just it
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is. When you hear me talk about or when you hear news that a
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state has eradicated cash bail, what do you think, Well, that means
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what so so, I mean sore just turning people right back out on the
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street again. They're saying, you're too poor to afford bail, so we're
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just gonna cycle you right through the process and put you right back out on
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the street. Only the worst of the worst, they say, will be
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kept without Okay. So one of the biggest issues with juvenile crime. For
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law enforcement, speaking from experience, I arrested a kid one time that had
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broken into Doe Campbell Stadium as you're familiar, not Doe Cambell Stadium, What's
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Dick Hauser Field, Yeah, okay, and had gone in. There was
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a room there is an FSU cop. There was a room there where they
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kept all the hoggingdies. Okay, you know. So they left the room
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unlocked and they knew where that was. Hyeah. And some kid comes along
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and he goes in there and he steals ice cream and we catch him and
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we arrest him. He's eleven years old. Okay, that's my son's age.
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He's probably gonna hang out house playing video games today. I mean that's
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you know. So arrest is kid juvenile. I take him, can't find
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anybody to accept him. Now he's thirteen. He's been arrested thirteen times at
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eleven home my okay, and so I get him that nobody they don't want
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to detain him, so we take him. He goes take him to his
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grandmother's house and she just runs him out of the yard. The problem with
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you even off crime is nothing happens now if you do cash, you don't
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you can do away with cash bail. You still have the same catching release
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program for adults now, So it just compounds the problem until you can get
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enough on him to keep him in jail for some period of time. Right,
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So you know, I understand they say it's inscriminatory at all, but
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the fact is, if there's no immediate penalty, a lot of times there's
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no long term penalty either, and it's just compounds the problem. Asking the
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questions you want the answers to The Morning Show with truston scott On News Radio
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one hundred point seven w FLA. Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group my
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guest. We do this on the first and third wednesdays of the month.
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Charlie comes in on the third Wednesday. We talk personal defense, a little
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snapshot of different topics today, and at the bottom of the hour, when
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we kind of do our final two segments, we're going to talk about the
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Dan Marquel case because I maintain there are lessons that we can take from that
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because sadly, though you might not be targeted for an assassination like he was,
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there are people following people home now, and people are following nice cars
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and they're following people into their homes and stuff like this is happening, and
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I just want I want to talk about it because it was nine years ago
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yesterday that Dan Marquel was shot and killed in his driveway. Someone had followed
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him a long way home. Charlie, what do you make you've seen?
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Now we're half a month into the new law. What do you make of
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the fact that firearms sales are topping a million a million now for forty seven
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straight months. Well on the gun store, So I kind of like it.
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I know you're smiling about it, but it's a saddle perspective. What
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does it say to you? Things aren't getting any better, Preston, and
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they're not going to get better. We saw a really huge spike back during
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all of the riots and the civil interest and everything back in twenty twenty,
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which I don't know if you've heard the new country song that's hit in the
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airs, now try it in a small town. Yeah, now my new
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favorite song. I now live in a small town. So now it concerns
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it concerns me that a lot of people are buying guns. I have no
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idea what they're doing with them. They're just you know, getting them right,
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because the number of people who are responsible enough to go get the training
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and to actually learn the law, and you know, you go, you
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go get something like buying a sports car that you have no idea how to
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drive, and you go buy a gun and you don't know how to use
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it and you don't understand what the law says and you don't understand gun safety.
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Yes, you have the right, and I fully support the Second Amendment
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and the right. And that's the consequence. And I hate to put a
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butt in there because that's one of the things we hate here and is Yeah,
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I almost a Second Amendment supporter, but well I'm a huge Second Amendment
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supporter, and I think you also have the responsibility to get training or understand
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something. I don't care if it's your cousin training you or if you're getting
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formal training. People are people who just now A lot of that's buying more
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guns. There's a lot of people afraid that you know, laws are going
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to change, um and so they're getting the second to the third and the
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fourteenth gun. You know, to go involved. That's not what I'm talking
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to. It's the first time gun buyer, Like the lady I was right
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to this this. I was doing it for you. Thank you. You're
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a professional radio game. Now I am. I'm waiting on that first check
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I need. So with the new laws that in Alabama had constitutional carry pass
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at the beginning of the year, and they went from very strict permits for
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guns and cars and things like that too. Now it's it's it's much more
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open and they have true open They have have had open carry and permit to
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concealed carry. Now they have permitless concealed carry to go with open carry.
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That's true constitutional carry. Florida has permit less carry, a little bit of
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open carry depending on what you're doing, and that's it. But these and
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Georgia's the same way. So the try states now are open for business for
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people to carry guns without permits. Um. Yeah, you're going to see
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an increase in sales because now people don't see the owner's process of going and
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applying for a permit. I had in Dothan yesterday, I was burning a
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pile of trees. I needed to go home. I had plans, and
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one of the guys in the front, Frank store manager, says, I've
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got an eighty three year old lady on the phone that wants to come in
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for training today today, and I said, as an emergency goes she was.
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She was. She had somebody following her the day she thought it was
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going to run her off the road, followed her for fifteen miles on a
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bumper. She was scared for her life following her and she went out immediately
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bought a gun and wants training today. We're gonna can we pick up there
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on the other side. Yeah, I want to come back to that story
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because it ties nicely to where we're gonna end up going here as well.
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This morning on your phone with the iHeart Radio appet on hundreds of devices like
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Alexa, Google Home, Xbox and so knows this is I Hearts radioization.
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Twenty one minutes after the hour Morning Show with Preston Scott, Charlie Strickland with
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us in studio today. You were telling us about a lady who eighty three
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years young and she didn't want training. She wanted training today. Well,
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she had something that frightened her. She was driving, and she didn't just
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come in and say this is why I want it. During the conversation of
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me explaining to her what the law said, what castle doctrine was dandil ground
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Alabama, Florida, Georgia is all about the same thing, very very little
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difference where she could carry a gun, all the stuff. And we got
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into and she started asking questions about what about in my car? What if
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somebody's on my bumper for fifteen and I think they're trying to run me off
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the road, And if they did run me off the road and then approach
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to my car, what could I do? And I said, well,
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if they've stalked you, followed you, it was you were an imminent fear
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of death, a great bodily harm. They tried to get into your car
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unlawfully and forcibly. I mean that's castle doctrine and standing ground in both states.
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And so yes, you you would be totally authorizing and using deadly force
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at that point in time. Plus at your age and size, it's a
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lot easier for you to justify the use of deadly force absolutely, because even
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if the person is unarmed, you know, if they can physically overpower you,
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then and they have demonstrated, you know, through their word or action
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that they intend to do that ability, opportunity and intent, they have the
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ability, the opportunity and they've expressed the intent to do that, then yeah,
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you can use deadly force. And she goes, okay, well good,
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then that's what I wanted to know. And we got on the range
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and work through. She had Smith and Wesson Easy nine, which is easier
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for her to operate her. Did she have that gun? She did,
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Okay, she showed up with it. I was. I was very glad
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because that's one of my favorite guns for people of that generation. Um,
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it does come with Now they are changing that gun model. Smith is not
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producing that particular one in that exact format anymore. They've transitioned to a newer
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version of the same thing. Arguably it's better and m but it still compasses
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the same thing that the slide is easier to manipulate, you know, and
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she's got her locking the slide of her hurdle. For some people it is,
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and it's not always. It's not a necessity to be able to lock
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the slide to the rear because you're gonna pick it up and use it and
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probably never gonna need to reload it, never gonna need it. You know.
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Our grandson's a cop, and she had this good sense to not have
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a family member trainer come to and get professional training. Um so I stuck
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around the afternoon and we spent a couple of hours together, and she can
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hit a person from seven yards reliably. There's no she's not in this listening
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audience. So I'm a little freere and discussing it. I don't like to
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put everybody's business on the street. But there were some issues with some malfunctions
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we had to work through because of the way she was gripping the guns.
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She had small hands, She'd never shot a fire she'd never shot a pistol
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in her eighty three years period. She shot rifles growing up. But that
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you mentioned malfunctions, that is where the slide issue can arise. It can.
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And the thing is is when you go buy a gun, you just
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assume it's going to work. But depending on the making, the model of
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the gun you're shooting technique, you know, there's some things that you might
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need to learn in order to make the gun run properly. Because the laws
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of physics apply, and so in Smith's case, when they start reducing spring
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rates and things so that you can more easily manipulate the gun, the springs
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aren't there to be able to handle some of the recoils, So shooting with
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the stiff wrists and making sure you're locking things out and gripping their firearm properly,
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and as a grip safety and a slide safety that she doesn't want to
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use, but it came on the gun. They make them with them without
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So you have to think about those things. And if that grips, say,
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if your grip's not just right, then you don't deactivate the grip safety.
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So sometimes it wan't fire. And I've had a number of people with
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advanced years come out with that same gun, and there are some that you
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have to know what you're doing. And well that's why I say going to
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the range and shooting and getting training and learning how to do it. It's
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not just buying the gun, it's getting you need to know what's going to
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work. Well, what do we do with a car, right, I
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mean, we don't turn a sixteen year old just go drive? Right,
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they're trained, Well, it's smart to do it. In this case.
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The Sakeing Amendment doesn't require you to have training, that's true. But if
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you are a responsible citizen and you're you're exercising, you're right you have responsibility
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to go with it too, which brings up, you know, being followed
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in your car, things like this. That's why it's such a threat to
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us is because people can follow you home, they can do things threaten you.
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You need to make sure that it is an immediate threat before you start
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using deadly force. True, But I want to go back to before we
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transition ahead. You gave you gave a quick rundown there of terms and expressions
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and things that if someone's a gun owner and they heard you say something there
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and they're like, huh, there's a good clue to go get some training,
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right. I mean, I try not to use a lot of terminology
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because one I may mess it up and get it wrong, and two I
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don't want to confuse the issue. But the fact is is the way firearms
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operate, particularly semi automatic pistols, and they are the best ones to carry
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because they have higher capacity and there they tend to be easier to operate,
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easier to grip. I'm gonna hate it when somebody sells a woman or revolver
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because they think that's what she can handle. That sexist and it's wrong.
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This lady figured this pistol out quite easily, it's almost the opposite. Yeah,
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semi automatics are better for most people across the board, particularly people with
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less experience in firems. It just it only takes me a few minutes to
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explain how it works. Yeah, and they get it so well. While
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a revolver might even be simpler than that, the fact is a revolver is
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more difficult to shoot for most, more difficult to shoot. It's more difficult
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to load and operate and reload. And the fact is, as you're getting
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five or six rounds versus eight, nine, ten, twelve rounds, may
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make it. It may make it nesty. Yes, it may make it
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necessary for someone to have to reload. The choice of giving my mom five
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bullets are giving her eleven or twelve. I'm gonna go with the eleven or
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twelve because I know there's probably in the real world not going to be a
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reload involved in that. Yeah, it's just simple. Well, you know,
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I have to say the words and we're back. Yes, we all
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try to be as deep and dulcet as you. I don't know if I
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can. You could do it better, I don't think so. Charlie's trickling
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with us Talent Outdoors and training group, Talent Range, you name it.
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I mentioned yesterday I was on a panel discussion on Monday, the night before
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the nine year mark of Dan Marquel's murder, and it was one of those
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YouTube live things, and you know, Charlie, I think back on that,
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and without getting into the weeds on the players involved, I just get
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back to the fact that Dan was followed and he just had no awareness that
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he was being followed. And for most people, that's the case. Somebody
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could be watching you every day and if you're not of the mindset that it
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might be happening, you know, if you don't have a little bit of
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paranoia in you, because it's not paranoid, if they're actually following you,
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you know, it's it's you, and you're a public figure, and you
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have concerns just I know that you've had people say things to you that is
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concerned. I'm a retired law enforcement officer, which a matter of fact,
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if my background check passes, I'll be a reserve deputy in another county here
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shortly that. I'm just gonna be doing some training. I'm not going back.
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I'm not gonna be kicking indoors and making the rest anymore. But I'm
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getting my standards back and going back in a law enforcement, um, just
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to share some a little bit of experience. And so but I you know,
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you and I were talking on the break about I know how many,
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approximate how many people I put in prison, and how many of them that
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you know, how many thousands of years of prison time I could claim credit
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for and when I would? And now I'm very open in public, and
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you know I'm not hard to find. So yeah, I have to worry
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about that, but so does everybody else in the community. You know,
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women have to worry about being stalked and have terrible things happen to them.
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Um, people with I don't care if you've gotten money, you're worried about
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somebody robbing you, or you don't have anything, and you know you live
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in a marginal area and you've got concerns because of that. The fact is
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is, if your head's not almost wivel, you're not paying attention, then
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you open yourself up to exactly what happened with him. And not many of
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us have our spouses taking out contracts on us or whatever happened in that case.
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But the fact is is that you really need to watch what's going on
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around you. And well, you know, I just I go back to
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Dan made at least four roughly four turns of his car and the car that
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came up behind him, and the shooter got out of his vehicle and walked
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up to him made those exact same sets of turns. And had he been
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armed and aware aware? Is the yes aware if because even if he wasn't
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armed, if he had been aware, maybe could circle the block again,
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you know, and say, okay, what's going on? Making nine one
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one call, something's going on, somebody's following me. Awareness is key,
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being armed as secondary to all that, because there's other things that you can
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do. You know that doesn't involve getting in a shoot out fair enough.
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But the fact is, and it's it's tough because you know, we talk
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about levels of awareness. We've done that before and let enough time today,
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but you get in you know, we have one more segment. Well,
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you you live your life in condition white, and condition white is when you're
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ignorant of your surroundings and you know, condition yellows when you're paying attention to
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the things around you. This is Cooper's color code. You know, Uh,
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condition orange is when there's a potential threat. Reds there's a fight.
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Black is when something happens to you and you were living in condition white,
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you immediately buzz out. You have no idea what to do, You can't
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react. So we recommend everybody lives their life in condition yellow and that is
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head honest. We will paying attention to what's going on around you. When
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you hear something, investigate it, you see something, pay attention. I
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mean, it's pretty simple. Talking with Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group
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personal Defense segment this morning, and we're zeroing in on lessons that we can
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take from the Dan Marquel's shooting. Just an absolute tr magity and we were
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you were just you just went through record time. I think I think you
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did set an official record. Um don't know if Guinness is going to recognize
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it for going through the color awareness codes there. What about the things that
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happen in life? You know, I just mentioned to you a guy you
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know, got got angry at being fired, came back to the workplace killed
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two co workers. Well, so there are indicators that somebody's on the edge,
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you know, and in the workplace, and we do a lot of
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workplace violence training and active shooter training. I just did an organ a nonprofit
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in Georgia the other day on zoom all over the state of Georgia, and
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just got invited back to do nine states worth of another nonprofit you know where
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we just charge a flat rate for training. How were many people they have?
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And one of the things we cover is, you know, workplace violence
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indicators and that's you know, what are what's going on? You know it
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just living your life day in and day out. There's nothing external, you
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know, it's easy to lapse in. But when something happens, you know,
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a coworker or somebody. You're going through a bad divorce, you're going
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through child custody issues, you're going through, um a business you know that's
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doing poorly. You've laid some people off, or you had to fire someone
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for personal problems, or whatever the case may be. You know, you
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start to see a heighten the level of concern because of certain indicators that someone
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is you know you and people see those things, whether they recognize them or
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not, they're there. A lot of times we choose to ignore them because
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we don't want to have to take action, and so we just blow it
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off. And you know, no harm, no foul, which is not
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the way to react. And then we start to see other indicators and ultimately
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there there's a trigger. There's some trigger in their life and it may be
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totally external to what you're exposed to, but you know, we talk about
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some of them, I mean, and financial issues, bankruptcies, divorce,
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losing your home, and particularly with in when you start to lose your financial
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resources, you start to lose your place to live, you start to lose
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your start to lose your job, and a lot of that revolves around divorce.
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A bad divorce can just destroy people, men and women. Um,
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it happens more more so to men, but but to women as well.
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And then you and you know that's going on in their life, and then
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all of a sudden you have to lay them off because of job performance and
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then next thing you know, they're they're shooting the place up. And you
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just need to be aware of those things. I mean, it's so if
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you work there and your boss isn't doing anything about it, well then you
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have it. It's in comment upon you to watch your back, I mean,
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because they're not They may not come shoot the boss that come shoot you,
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but we've also talked about and have seen stories of, you know,
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in this case, Dan Marquelle was targeted for assassination, right, right.
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But we're also seeing across the country people see somebody in a nice car,
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they've got a handful of stuff they've just bought at the store. They just
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follow them home and they either take the car, or they take the car
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and break into the home. Follow the people right in and a home.
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Invade that level of awareness. I want to ask a very direct question.
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You've got your professional background. If I pick up the phone, if I'm
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on my phone, I'm saying and I call nine one one, I say,
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someone's following me, what's the likely response? Well, I don't.
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I don't know what the dispatcher's going to tell you, but I can tell
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you what you should do, and that is, if you think someone's following
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you, take a different route home, okay, or a different route where
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you're going on a very public area. Okay, go somewhere it's very public.
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Don't take a little side street, you know, take take a couple
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turns, stay in the public area. If you are that concern, you
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ask nine one one police, have an officer meet me. I'm going to
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pull over in this very public area at this location, or just drive to
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the police department, or drive to the sheriff's office. I mean, you
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should really know where those places are. If you see a law enforcement officer
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somewhere pull in the parking a lot next to them, you know, if
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you have an opportunity to be any of this stuff. I'm a big fan
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of putting the cameras in your cars now. I mean, for one hundred
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bucks, you can put a camera that mounts on your dash with a disk.
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It records everything in the front and everything in the back. Okay car,
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and if you're in a crash, you have evidence that wasn't your fault.
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I put them on Plantation Security and every one of our trucks has and
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they're rear facing as well. Well. Yes I don't have that in all
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my vehicles, but those are the ones that I'm implementing. Now. Is
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I've got You can get them, you mind on Amazon, like one hundred
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bucks one hundred and twenty bucks for a good high definition four K cameras recording
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everything around you, you know, in the front end, the back.
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If something hits you or somebody hits your car while you're not in it,
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it can activate and you get video and audio as well. And the same
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reason cops wear body cameras have a you know, plugs in. You run
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a cord around there. It's very easy to plug in and plugs in the
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ciaretteliner or a USB port and stuff like that and outside the box thinking good
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stuff. Thank you Charlie Strickling with the Talent Training Group. My guess remember
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Talinrange dot com.