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Huddle Up | Jaguars Offseason Expectations, HC & QB Bond · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Huddle Up.
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Speaker 2: Jaguars. Senior writer John Osher, NFL Network analyst and former
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Speaker 2: Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and senior reporter J. P. Shadwick bring
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Speaker 2: you the latest on yours Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: Huddle Up starts right now.
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Speaker 3: Welcome into another edition of Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 3: JP Shadrick with John Ojer. We're at the Miller Electric
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Speaker 3: Center at the Hundai Studios in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks with
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Speaker 3: us in Los Angeles, and we are closing in on
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Speaker 3: free agency, one week away from the start of the
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Speaker 3: league year free agency.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to all that coming up. Bucky, Good afternoon.
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Speaker 1: How are you. What's up man?
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Speaker 4: I'm good. How you guys doing good?
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Speaker 1: Ready for some football things to happen.
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Speaker 3: It's all the anticipation John is building up, but I
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Speaker 3: don't know for what for the Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: There might not be a lot going on.
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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, most Jaguars fans body clocks tell them right
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Speaker 5: now to be readying for a frenzy because, unfortunately for
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Speaker 5: this franchise, for what fifteen years since we've been doing
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Speaker 5: a JP together, you know, eleven or twelve of the
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Speaker 5: marches have been frenzied signing, sort of desperate at times
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Speaker 5: to fill needs, wanting immediate impact, and I think they'll
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Speaker 5: be a small amount of that, but it's it's gonna
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Speaker 5: be really light and you know, we get into it later.
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Speaker 5: But I think philosophically for Jaguars fans, they need to
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Speaker 5: look at this offseason, even the draft a little bit
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Speaker 5: as maybe view twenty five and twenty six as two
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Speaker 5: off seasons of building. And they did a lot of
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Speaker 5: work last offseason, meaning twenty five, that has to sustain
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Speaker 5: them moving forward. Guys like Hainsey and Murray and Jordan Lewis,
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Speaker 5: the guys they got who helped. There's not going to
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Speaker 5: be an in like that, but guess what they were
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Speaker 5: thirteen and four. It's best if you don't need in
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Speaker 5: fuxes like that. So I think they are now a
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Speaker 5: team that can let's calm the cap down. Let's calm
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Speaker 5: it down and be steady and be more normal, Bucky.
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Speaker 5: That's what it feels like to me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it feels like they're in a good spot.
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Speaker 6: And the thing that I like about the approach the
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Speaker 6: Jaguars are seemingly taken is they're not using last year
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Speaker 6: as a thing where a we're good, we're gonna run
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Speaker 6: it back. I think internally there's a desire to build
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Speaker 6: a better team, and they're not going to necessarily be
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Speaker 6: impacted by the results that took place last year going
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Speaker 6: thirteen and four, And so to me, that means always
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Speaker 6: kind of maintaining or establishing a high standard for how
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Speaker 6: they want the team to operate, the players they want
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Speaker 6: to bring in, and ultimately the way that we want
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Speaker 6: to perform on the grass. And so I don't think
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Speaker 6: they're going to be beholden to some of the things
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Speaker 6: that normally would lead teams to kind of keep the
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Speaker 6: core intact. I do believe there's certain guys that he
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Speaker 6: want to retain, but also believe that they're looking to
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Speaker 6: ultimately improve the team via free agency and also the draft.
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Speaker 3: And some of the guys on the team can develop
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Speaker 3: and grow and fill some of those roles as well.
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Speaker 3: In theory, right, if the coaching is there to help
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Speaker 3: those guys get better, and you know, especially like the
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Speaker 3: linebacker position per se.
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Speaker 7: Right to me, that's the major thing.
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Speaker 5: I think linebackers where we may see, you know, with
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Speaker 5: those three third round picks, it feels like inside linebacker
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Speaker 5: is a sweet spot there. Bucky can speak more to
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Speaker 5: that because, as you know, he is king of the draft.
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Speaker 5: So I'm sorry for jumping on that, you know, stealing
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Speaker 5: your thunder their buck. But I think more of the
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Speaker 5: theme for the Jaguars next year is mylem Bransaw and
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Speaker 5: Hunter and more rookies Manheim and you know, Basehelle Tuten.
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Speaker 5: But look, okay, the secondary can easily improve on that.
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Speaker 5: I mean, it needs to improve from last year. But
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Speaker 5: Ranso on Hunter, if those two guys are what they
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Speaker 5: think they are, second year improvement in this league, Bucky,
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Speaker 5: to me is how the good teams often get better.
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Speaker 5: And to me, that feels like my major storyline early
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Speaker 5: in the season next season.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the biggest jump that most players make is from
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Speaker 6: their first to second year. They have an understanding of
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Speaker 6: the league. They have a full offseason dedicated to improvement
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Speaker 6: because they're not worried about the combine and getting ready
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Speaker 6: for draft stuff. So that's typically when you see young
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Speaker 6: guys really make a dramatic leap as it relates to
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Speaker 6: the secondary. Yeah, Ransaw and Hunter need to be major
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Speaker 6: contributors in year two. And then when you talk about
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Speaker 6: the linebacker position. Sometimes, man, you're fortunate that your needs
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Speaker 6: align to one of the strong spots in the draft.
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Speaker 6: And this year the linebacker class is really good, and
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Speaker 6: it's really good.
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Speaker 4: At the value that you're talking about second and third round.
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Speaker 6: There are a lot of guys that kind of fit
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Speaker 6: that will be interesting to the Jaguars, particularly as we
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Speaker 6: talk about a team that really likes production, they really
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Speaker 6: like guys with the intangible qualities.
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Speaker 4: There are a lot of guys.
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Speaker 6: That are gonna be in that second or third round
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Speaker 6: range that can come in and make major contributions right
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Speaker 6: away for the Jacks.
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Speaker 5: Yeah to me, and again, kidding aside, Bucky has much
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Speaker 5: more insight into how guys are gonna fit at what
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Speaker 5: levels of the draft right now. But in theory, it
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Speaker 5: feels like the needs that are gonna crop up in
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Speaker 5: the next couple weeks. I don't think Etn is coming back,
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Speaker 5: and I don't think Devin Lloyd's coming back.
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Speaker 7: I don't know about Monetic Brown.
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Speaker 5: But okay, say you have to fill those three in
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Speaker 5: the draft, well, third, you know, second and third round.
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Speaker 5: In this day and age, you're supposed to be able
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Speaker 5: to get opposite corner, you know, the second you're running
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Speaker 5: back inside linebacker. I understand Devin Lloyd and etn. You know,
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Speaker 5: our connect points for fans because of their numbers last year,
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Speaker 5: their impact. But when you're building a roster in this
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Speaker 5: day and age, most gms would tell you we ought
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Speaker 5: to be able to get running back inside linebacker, you know,
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Speaker 5: not premier corner. We ought to be able to get
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Speaker 5: that second and third round and if we can't, then
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Speaker 5: you're franchised in trouble because you can't draft everything in
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Speaker 5: the first round.
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Speaker 6: Now, let's say this because the guy used to work
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Speaker 6: for a long time and in the aposence, Bill Poling
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Speaker 6: used to say, you always want to have a roster
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Speaker 6: where we spot the ball, we can line up and play.
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Speaker 6: So justin thinking about that approach with the defense, if
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Speaker 6: you think about Jarian Jones, Jordan Lewis, Travis Hunter coming back,
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Speaker 6: we can line up and play right away if we
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Speaker 6: had to with those three guys on the field.
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Speaker 4: So it's not necessarily the pressure to say, hey, we.
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Speaker 6: Got to go out and get a corner with our
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Speaker 6: second round pick or our third round pick. They still
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Speaker 6: have the freedom to be able to to let the
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Speaker 6: board play out and take the best player available. You
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Speaker 6: could say the same on defense, like Devin Lloyd is
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Speaker 6: a big loss because of.
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Speaker 4: What he was able to do last year with the
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Speaker 4: splash plays.
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Speaker 6: But if you had to line up with Foyer and Venturoromiller,
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Speaker 6: you could do that. But I'm telling you there are
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Speaker 6: guys that line up at both of those positions that
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Speaker 6: will allow us to be able to get it done.
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Speaker 6: And then they're running back and losing Travis ten you
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Speaker 6: have to you have Laquinn Allen. But if we're looking
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Speaker 6: at the drafts, there's some guys that fall into that
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Speaker 6: sweet spot that can make it happen. So I'm very,
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Speaker 6: very confident that in spite losing some really talented contributors,
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Speaker 6: I think the Jags would be okay.
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Speaker 4: I think they can replace those.
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Speaker 6: Guys with guys that can give them, I won't say
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Speaker 6: necessarily an upgrade, but certainly can give them the kind
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Speaker 6: of production that they're gonna need to be a team
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Speaker 6: that we want to be next year.
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Speaker 5: Fans are super anxious and even angry already that oh,
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Speaker 5: why wouldn't they resign Etiam, Why wouldn't they resign Lloyd?
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Speaker 5: You good teams have to do this. You can't keep everybody,
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Speaker 5: and most off seasons you're gonna have one or two.
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Speaker 5: You're gonna have some losses like this, having them happen
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Speaker 5: at those positions where you're not trying to go find
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Speaker 5: your left tackle, You're not trying to go find your
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Speaker 5: A one corner, You're trying to go find your quarterback.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 5: So if you're going to have turnover, these positions are
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Speaker 5: the position to do it. The one X factor that
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Speaker 5: I don't know this offseason is they need penetrating defensive tackle.
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Speaker 5: That's the one that's hard to find in the third
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Speaker 5: round of the draft, you know. So that's sort of
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Speaker 5: my I'm anxious to see how they try to address that.
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Speaker 3: A lot of teams need it, Bucky, I mean, that's
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Speaker 3: that's the need that every team would like to fill.
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Speaker 1: Where do you find those guys?
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Speaker 7: Probably not in the third round.
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Speaker 6: Now, it's hard to find those guys in a third round,
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Speaker 6: but there'll be some guys.
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Speaker 5: It depends on like how all these guys are good guys.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, it depends on how the whole you are
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Speaker 6: to certain standards in terms of like physical dimensions in
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Speaker 6: those things. Because what happens with each round like the
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Speaker 6: guys that fall typically it's production or they don't meet
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Speaker 6: a standard that some teams have and other teams want.
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Speaker 4: So it can be done.
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Speaker 6: But I think the one thing that I've learned and
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Speaker 6: being around glassed On and talk to Lina corn or whatever, like,
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Speaker 6: there's very specific guys and types that they want and
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Speaker 6: a lot of times it's not the physical, it's more
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Speaker 6: de mental on how they fit in. And so we
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Speaker 6: have seen when you look at the secondary just because
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Speaker 6: Jarian Jones and Travis Hunter and Jordaan and Lewis are
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Speaker 6: all built differently, but they all play well.
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Speaker 4: So I think it's more mindset than anything.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but there are guys that we can find that
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Speaker 6: come in and make it happen, because it happens each
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Speaker 6: and every year.
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Speaker 3: Jaguars did, by the way, sign re sign a tight
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Speaker 3: end earlier this week on Wednesday, actually Quint Morris. Reports
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Speaker 3: came out that they sign a one year deal with
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Speaker 3: him work.
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Speaker 5: Up to three milli next week, but yeah, it'll certainly
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Speaker 5: for our purposes.
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Speaker 3: Reports are it's a one year deal for three million dollars.
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Speaker 3: He played in fourteen games last year, mainly a special
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Speaker 3: teams in blocking tied end, had a few catches, had
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Speaker 3: a touchdown in the final game of the regular season.
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Speaker 3: Entering his fifth year in the league. This is you know,
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Speaker 3: whenever this becomes official March eleventh, Bucky. It's a piece
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Speaker 3: that it was important for a number of different games
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Speaker 3: last year when the front end guys were either banged
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Speaker 3: up or off the unavailable or whatever, and Morris an
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Speaker 3: important part of what.
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Speaker 1: They do in a couple of different phases.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, if anything, like when people are fretting about some
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Speaker 6: of the guys that we potentially be losing, I think
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Speaker 6: we should have a lot of confidence given the number
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Speaker 6: of backups that had to play last year in terms
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Speaker 6: of the development approach of the coaching staff.
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Speaker 4: So, Quinn Morris to me, is.
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Speaker 6: A guy that embodies what the Jaguars are trying to
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Speaker 6: do when it comes to developing the young guys and
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Speaker 6: then clearing a path for them to get on the field.
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Speaker 6: He filled in admirably when and Strange and some of
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Speaker 6: the other guys were out. So I like the fact
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Speaker 6: that we were able to resign them, and to resign
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Speaker 6: them on the cheap. You get the best of both worlds.
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Speaker 6: A good player in your system who doesn't really break
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Speaker 6: the bank when it comes to how much he costs.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, your team is often built.
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Speaker 5: It's obviously built on your stars, but having guys like
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Speaker 5: Quinton Morris as your depth, this is sort of the
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Speaker 5: hidden work of a free agency, if you will, getting
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Speaker 5: guys like this back maintain continuity.
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Speaker 7: They know what he.
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Speaker 5: Is, and he certainly is a guy who exemplified what
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Speaker 5: they were about last year. JP We talked about it
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Speaker 5: a lot, their willingness to have guys earn their way in.
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Speaker 5: This is a guy who was on the practice squad
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Speaker 5: to start the season. You sort of knew he was
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Speaker 5: one of those practice squad guys who they wanted around
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Speaker 5: but didn't quite have room in the fifty three, and
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Speaker 5: he earned his way into being a key guy, which
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Speaker 5: was very indicative of what they did. So he's a
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Speaker 5: in this version of the Jaguars. He's a Jaguars guy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you earn it, you're gonna play, And that's what
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Speaker 3: they've said throughout and they proved that a number of
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Speaker 3: times this season. The leadership of the team according to
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Speaker 3: Ryan o'haller and two hundred and fourteen offensive snaps for him,
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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty three special team snaps for Morris
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Speaker 3: and reports coming out that he will resign with the Jaguars.
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Speaker 3: Although the Jaguars will return to the Bank in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty six, plenty is happening behind the scenes, of course.
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Speaker 3: Construction for Stadium in the Future is ongoing and it
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Speaker 3: is extensive as we look out the window right now,
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Speaker 3: and we want you to be prepared when you arrive
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Speaker 3: at the Bank for a game in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 3: All construction updates and other Stadium in the Future news
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Speaker 3: It's Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, JP, Shadwick, John Osier
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Speaker 3: with Yes, Bucky Brooks, who, by the way, I had
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Speaker 3: a fantastic interview with Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence. It's
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Speaker 3: available with the Jaguars YouTube page and Jaguars dot Com.
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Speaker 3: Eight minutes with the with the guys.
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Speaker 1: Bucky, well done.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I appreciate it, man. It was a lot of fun.
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Speaker 6: And I'm gonna say this, and I think it's like
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Speaker 6: a Captain Obvious moment.
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Speaker 4: It's a lot of fun. When your team wins.
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Speaker 6: You can have good conversations with the guys. When you
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Speaker 6: won a lot of games, and so it was fun
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Speaker 6: to have Liam and Trevor there talking about their evolution,
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Speaker 6: talking about their individual and personal growth, and I mean
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Speaker 6: their individual and collective growth, and then how the team
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Speaker 6: improves while looking ahead to next year and how they
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Speaker 6: can get better and how it can be even that
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Speaker 6: much more difficult to kind of accomplish some of the
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Speaker 6: things they were accomplished, is shoe.
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Speaker 5: But you talked some Bucky, and I think we talked
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Speaker 5: right after you get done talking to him, and I
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Speaker 5: think you were really struck by.
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Speaker 7: How their relationship grew and developed.
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Speaker 5: And I don't want to say that it was you know,
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Speaker 5: rocky at the start, because I don't want to.
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Speaker 7: I don't think that's right.
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Speaker 5: But they certainly meshed and I think got to the
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Speaker 5: point where they really thrived on the other's personality, bringing
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Speaker 5: out something in them that they don't have, meaning Trevor's
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Speaker 5: you know, Coen sort of influenced Trevor's fire, and I
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Speaker 5: think I think to a point there's probably times when
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Speaker 5: Trevor probably calms Liam down a little bit. Hey, you know,
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Speaker 5: we all remember the you know, uh, the wave.
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Speaker 7: But they're sort of good.
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Speaker 5: I think it's easy when you succeed to say everything
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Speaker 5: is sort of going in the right direction, but it
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Speaker 5: does feel like they compliment each other. And I don't
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Speaker 5: think you can underestimate the way that Liam coached Trevor
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Speaker 5: and the confidence that he gave him when he basically
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Speaker 5: once Trevor realized that, hey, this guy believes in me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 6: I think my biggest takeaway in conduct in the interview
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Speaker 6: and then talking to Trevor and Liam individually afterwards, is
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Speaker 6: before you can coach Trevor, and this is really common
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Speaker 6: for most players, there has to be a connection that's developed.
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Speaker 6: You have to have a relationship before you can get
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Speaker 6: the best out of him.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know how much.
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Speaker 6: Of a people person that he is and how he
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Speaker 6: needs that connection to be able to be at his best.
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Speaker 4: But in talking to Trevor and listening and watching his
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Speaker 4: interactions with Lim, you.
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Speaker 6: Could tell that it meant a lot to him that
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Speaker 6: Liam first met the player the person, and then began
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Speaker 6: to coach the player, meaning that he spent a lot
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Speaker 6: of time building a relationship with Trevor that didn't have
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Speaker 6: anything to do with Paul, and then because they were
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Speaker 6: so connected in that regard, it allowed the coaching to
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Speaker 6: go to another level when they got on the grass
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Speaker 6: and started doing their thing. And because Trevor kind of
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Speaker 6: appreciates that, I think that trust allowed Liam to coach
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Speaker 6: him hard without it being a personal thing. And I
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Speaker 6: also think because there was this mutual respect and admiration
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Speaker 6: for one another, he began to take on some of
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Speaker 6: the feistiness that Liam exudes. And I think that can
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Speaker 6: only be done when there's a high level of trust
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Speaker 6: and respect between player and coach.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so what happens when you get hard coaching when
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Speaker 3: there's not that trust and respect, you.
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Speaker 6: Begin to tune it out, becomes white noise. And I
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Speaker 6: think if you hear any great coach, I mean I've
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Speaker 6: heard Saban talk about this. I think it was a
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Speaker 6: parent with both teams that were in the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: The amount of time that you have to invest in.
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Speaker 6: The connectivity of everything and having great communication and having
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Speaker 6: a care factor where players really believe that you care
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Speaker 6: about them beyond what they can do on the field.
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Speaker 4: That's when you can go to the next level.
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Speaker 6: And people always talk about family, and football is different,
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Speaker 6: particularly at the pro level, because you basically have I
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Speaker 6: guess sixty nine independent contractors doing their own thing. But
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Speaker 6: the best teams are able to kind of put that
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Speaker 6: aside and say, hey, let's play.
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Speaker 4: For a bigger cause.
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Speaker 6: And the only way you can get that is guys
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Speaker 6: have to truly believe that you're in it for them
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Speaker 6: and not for what they can do. It has to
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Speaker 6: be transformation, it can't be transactional. And I think Trevor
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Speaker 6: appreciates that part in Liam's personality, that there was this
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Speaker 6: transformational presence that he was able to provide on the sideline.
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Speaker 3: I still one of my favorite parts of last season,
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Speaker 3: though there's a lot of favorite parts.
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Speaker 1: It was a fantastic run. Plus they had the discussion.
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Speaker 3: That continued as the season long, and Liam was finally like,
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Speaker 3: you know, hey man, we're here, like, just.
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Speaker 1: Let it rip. Let it go.
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Speaker 3: And then Trevor lets it rip and throws three picks
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Speaker 3: the next game. I mean that then they find a
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Speaker 3: way to win. And but that went a long way
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Speaker 3: to the stretch run. That's that's the really the one
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Speaker 3: for me that stands out the most.
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Speaker 5: John, Yeah, and even Trevor. It's funny how players can
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Speaker 5: just talk about things during the season. Then after Trevor
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Speaker 5: was asked about that, some during the season. But I
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Speaker 5: thought in his post season press conference outside his locker
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Speaker 5: you were, you know, on the day after the Bills game,
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Speaker 5: he got into it a little more in depth and
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Speaker 5: really revealed that the you know, Liam necessarily the conversation
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Speaker 5: of hey, let it rip. You know, that'll be in
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Speaker 5: the movie when they make the Trevor Liam movie in
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Speaker 5: twenty five years. But that moment and then the backing
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Speaker 5: up of it, and it felt like Trevor over the
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Speaker 5: course of the season realized more and more, Okay, this
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Speaker 5: guy's genuine. He really does believe in me. He's gotten
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Speaker 5: my back. All those cliches, but that stuff is real
18:51
Speaker 5: when you're out there making decisions of hey, I can
18:53
Speaker 5: trust myself. If I throw four hundred passes, five of
18:57
Speaker 5: them are going to get picked and the.
19:00
Speaker 7: Coach is not going to roll his eyes at it.
19:04
Speaker 5: When I come off the field. We're as one as
19:07
Speaker 5: much as you can be. And you know, as as
19:12
Speaker 5: a writer, you always looked for like holes in stories, right, Oh, well,
19:15
Speaker 5: that's just kind of stuff they're saying. That was the
19:18
Speaker 5: story of the season to me, and it was real
19:21
Speaker 5: and you could certainly see it in Trevor and as
19:23
Speaker 5: soon as that Arizona game happened and he realized Liam
19:26
Speaker 5: had his back. It was a different kid, and it
19:29
Speaker 5: was a different team. It's a different quarterback.
19:32
Speaker 4: Yeah.
19:32
Speaker 6: I think there was a great coaching job by Liam,
19:34
Speaker 6: because it's one thing to say he let it rip.
19:37
Speaker 6: It's another thing to not have bad reactions that.
19:40
Speaker 4: When they're letting it rip and it's going to.
19:43
Speaker 1: Internally, yeah, it's thinking a little differently like yeah.
19:47
Speaker 6: But but I felt like that was really the turning
19:49
Speaker 6: point for Trevor, and I remember us having the conversation
19:53
Speaker 6: the next week on Huddle Up where I told you, like, man,
19:55
Speaker 6: I've never seen him respond like that, Like, even though
19:59
Speaker 6: he turning the ball over, it's one of the few
20:02
Speaker 6: times that I've seen Trevor undaunted by his mistakes, Like
20:06
Speaker 6: he went out there and courageously would make more high
20:10
Speaker 6: difficulty degree passes and not blinking. And so I felt like,
20:16
Speaker 6: just Liam allowing him to a man living and make
20:19
Speaker 6: the mistakes, We're okay, we got you.
20:21
Speaker 4: To me.
20:22
Speaker 6: That's a tremendous amount of confidence and respect that a
20:25
Speaker 6: coach can give to a player, and I think every
20:27
Speaker 6: player wants to be able to play freely on the field,
20:31
Speaker 6: and for Liam, given his background as a former collegiate
20:34
Speaker 6: quarterback and all that, I think he understands what that
20:37
Speaker 6: does for a player, and so hats off to him
20:39
Speaker 6: for being able to understand and recognize what his player
20:43
Speaker 6: needed at that moment and letting Trevor just look man,
20:46
Speaker 6: just sling it without consequence.
20:48
Speaker 7: Yeah.
20:48
Speaker 5: I think it was after that game in Arizona, or
20:51
Speaker 5: either at his Wednesday press or afterward, because if you
20:54
Speaker 5: want to quarterbacks, start to talk two or three times,
20:57
Speaker 5: then decompress the game, then move on. But I think
21:00
Speaker 5: it was after the game that he said, hey, I'm
21:02
Speaker 5: going to you know, because he was still at that point.
21:06
Speaker 5: The questions in the post game hadn't really turned to where,
21:10
Speaker 5: oh this kid's good. It was more well, oh oh
21:13
Speaker 5: you had three picks? What an awful game? How did
21:15
Speaker 5: you overcome it? So I guess it was a post
21:18
Speaker 5: game and he said, he goes, I'm not gonna play
21:22
Speaker 5: scared out there, And when he said it, I sort
21:26
Speaker 5: of thought to myself, Okay, he's sort of.
21:29
Speaker 7: Telling himself that, which you have to.
21:32
Speaker 5: But you know, it became real, and that was very
21:37
Speaker 5: much a transition point. You sort of wonder if when
21:41
Speaker 5: he was saying that he was maybe sort of trying
21:43
Speaker 5: to convince himself that he wasn't going to do it
21:45
Speaker 5: anymore and play scared. But then it became this internal belief.
21:50
Speaker 5: And again it was a remarkable moment that out of
21:58
Speaker 5: changed the trajectorycause they we already good, but it certainly
22:01
Speaker 5: accelerated this team into elite.
22:04
Speaker 3: We saw some glimpses of that back in twenty two
22:07
Speaker 3: in the stats run. You know, obviously in the playoff
22:09
Speaker 3: game against the Chargers, you know, you had to let
22:11
Speaker 3: it fly. But then on this consistent of a basis, No,
22:16
Speaker 3: this is the building of something. I think with those
22:18
Speaker 3: two so check it out. Trevor Lawrence Willam Cohen interviewed
22:21
Speaker 3: by Greenoks, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube.
22:25
Speaker 1: A lot of people shooting it.
22:26
Speaker 3: They had like sliding cameras and all these lights and things.
22:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
22:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, we heads off to Gabby Dalton for cutting it
22:33
Speaker 3: and put it together.
22:34
Speaker 5: We had people in there, you know, we had a
22:39
Speaker 5: lot of people. I'm not even trying new everybody.
22:43
Speaker 7: It was impressive. It was an impressive display of manpower
22:46
Speaker 7: on our part.
22:47
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I feel like that was my sixty minutes moment,
22:50
Speaker 4: I felt like Ed.
22:50
Speaker 6: Bradley, like I felt like I had all the Glam squad,
22:54
Speaker 6: the full team, making sure that the interview looked good.
22:57
Speaker 4: But now it was.
22:58
Speaker 6: Great, and it was really great to get to know
23:00
Speaker 6: them on a deeper level and to watch them really interact.
23:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I think if people.
23:06
Speaker 6: Tune in and watch man the connection that they have,
23:09
Speaker 6: I think you can feel it because when I'm in
23:11
Speaker 6: their presence, there's a genuine admiration and respect for one another.
23:16
Speaker 6: And I think that certainly comes out when they play, because.
23:20
Speaker 4: That's the only way to get the best out of Trevor.
23:22
Speaker 6: And I think Liam is kind of cracked the code,
23:25
Speaker 6: and so I'm looking forward to seeing how Trevor continues
23:27
Speaker 6: to evolve on this two of us.
23:28
Speaker 3: Last couple of moments with you here, Bucky on this
23:31
Speaker 3: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks podcast on Wednesday, March fourth, Hey, a.
23:36
Speaker 1: Couple of notes from around the league. What stands out
23:38
Speaker 1: the most this week?
23:39
Speaker 3: What the Cardinals are gonna cut Kyler Murray, Max Trosby,
23:44
Speaker 3: where is he going?
23:45
Speaker 1: Who's gonna pay the two number ones?
23:48
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson didn't get tagged in Cincinnati?
23:51
Speaker 1: Well, it stands out the most to.
23:52
Speaker 6: You, Well, it's a quarterback Carosel, right, because everyone understands
23:57
Speaker 6: that without a quarterback, you don't have a chance. And
24:00
Speaker 6: because I'll say this, coming away from the combine an
24:02
Speaker 6: underwhelming quarterback class, you know what, everything about Fernando Mendoza
24:07
Speaker 6: and the others, I think that is going to drive
24:11
Speaker 6: a lot of people to look to the veteran market
24:12
Speaker 6: to see if they can have the Sam Donald redemption story.
24:17
Speaker 6: Kyler Murray goes to the front of the class given
24:20
Speaker 6: the fact that he's a former number one overall pick,
24:22
Speaker 6: he's a former offensive Rookie of the Year, two time
24:25
Speaker 6: Pro bowler. He's kind of the bell of the ball
24:27
Speaker 6: when it comes to the quarterbacks. But you also have
24:30
Speaker 6: Geno Smith and Daniel Jones is on a transition tag,
24:34
Speaker 6: and people are even talking about mac Jones. Just seeing
24:37
Speaker 6: where these older quarterbacks end up. I think that's gonna
24:41
Speaker 6: be important because I don't get the sense that people
24:43
Speaker 6: are fired up about the incoming rookie class and what
24:47
Speaker 6: they can do to change the plight of our franchise.
24:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting, I mean, I mean, the evidence suggests
24:54
Speaker 5: that we are absolutely in an era, in an era
24:58
Speaker 5: of reck for quarterbacks, and the league is really starting
25:05
Speaker 5: to grasp, maybe even before observers, that it's it's gonna
25:11
Speaker 5: take time with some of these guys. And I think
25:14
Speaker 5: that's getting more into the water of the league, people realizing, oh,
25:18
Speaker 5: you know, just because Donald didn't make it here, or
25:21
Speaker 5: just because even our guy Trevor Lawrence, just because it
25:25
Speaker 5: was rocky at times. You know, Trevor Lawrence and Sam
25:29
Speaker 5: Donald sort of had similar seasons. It's just that Trevor
25:32
Speaker 5: never went anywhere, you know.
25:34
Speaker 7: And so.
25:37
Speaker 5: I guess, Bucky, my question is, do you feel like
25:40
Speaker 5: more teams are are optimistic when they give a quarterback
25:47
Speaker 5: a second chance rather than just sort of holding their breath,
25:50
Speaker 5: if that makes any sense.
25:52
Speaker 2: None.
25:52
Speaker 6: No, I think they're more people with optimism. And I'm
25:54
Speaker 6: gonna say this because it's been passed down originally from
25:58
Speaker 6: Al Davis to Ron to all the people that I
26:01
Speaker 6: worked for when I was scouting. They always talk about, man,
26:03
Speaker 6: when a quarterback is drafted in the first round, there's
26:06
Speaker 6: a reason why they were taken in the first round.
26:08
Speaker 6: Somebody saw a level of talent, someone believed that there was.
26:12
Speaker 4: Something in the end that could be accomplished.
26:14
Speaker 6: And even though it may not happen in their first
26:17
Speaker 6: destination or even their second destination, that talent doesn't leave.
26:20
Speaker 6: And so your job is to at least kick the
26:22
Speaker 6: tires to see if a new environment, a new scheme,
26:26
Speaker 6: a new voice can unlock some of the potential that's inside.
26:30
Speaker 6: Given what we saw from Sam Donald, given what we've
26:32
Speaker 6: seen from Baker Mayfield and some of the other quarterbacks,
26:35
Speaker 6: even Daniel Jones to a lesser degree in Indianapolis, they're
26:38
Speaker 6: going to be more people that take on those projects
26:42
Speaker 6: because they believe, hey, man, right fit, right scheme, right
26:46
Speaker 6: players around them, maybe we can.
26:48
Speaker 4: Get the best of a quarterback.
26:49
Speaker 6: And that's going to encourage more people to take chances
26:52
Speaker 6: on some of these veteran journeymen.
26:53
Speaker 5: Okay, so two part question as we close it out,
26:58
Speaker 5: and I'm asking because I don't no, I don't have
27:01
Speaker 5: a great feel for either guy. Do you think I'm
27:08
Speaker 5: not a huge Kyler Murray guy? But do you think
27:12
Speaker 5: that he can resurrect? And then what are the Colts
27:16
Speaker 5: quarterback situation going to look like moving forward? Probably briefly
27:20
Speaker 5: on Kyler because he's not in this division, but I
27:23
Speaker 5: think both of them are fascinating Becausekyler clearly has talent,
27:25
Speaker 5: and yet it just sort of seems always sort of
27:29
Speaker 5: lost with that franchise lately. I don't know.
27:34
Speaker 6: I think Kyler is very similar to Trevor in terms
27:38
Speaker 6: of the kind of coach that he needs to unlock
27:41
Speaker 6: the best in him. Look, man, you're not a guy
27:44
Speaker 6: who was a remarkable athlete. Some would say he's the
27:46
Speaker 6: best high school football player in Texas history given his resume.
27:50
Speaker 6: Then to be drafted as a first round pick, a
27:52
Speaker 6: top ten pick in baseball will also be in the
27:55
Speaker 6: number one overall pick in football. That's the kind of
27:57
Speaker 6: talent that you're speaking of. What is really got into
28:00
Speaker 6: him of late the last three years. I think he's
28:02
Speaker 6: missed twenty seven games due to injury the first three seasons.
28:06
Speaker 6: You're talking about offense, rookie year and two time Pro Bowl.
28:08
Speaker 4: So when he's healthy and available and certainly can play.
28:11
Speaker 4: But to me, as Luda wants to weigh.
28:13
Speaker 6: And have her opinion out there, So that's interesting. In Indianapolis,
28:20
Speaker 6: what you have is a team that took a major
28:23
Speaker 6: swing on a quarterback in number four overall, and it
28:25
Speaker 6: was a swing and a miss.
28:26
Speaker 4: In Anthony Richardson, and so I don't expect him to
28:29
Speaker 4: be there.
28:30
Speaker 6: They've allowed him to go look around this team if
28:32
Speaker 6: they can find the trade. But regardless, this is Daniel
28:34
Speaker 6: Jones team. I think what they were trying to do
28:37
Speaker 6: with the transition tag is continued to the negotiation where
28:41
Speaker 6: they can match whatever's put out there, but to make
28:44
Speaker 6: sure that he's going to be their quarterback or earmarkt
28:47
Speaker 6: enough money.
28:47
Speaker 4: To go and get some of the other guys that
28:49
Speaker 4: are available.
28:50
Speaker 6: One Alec Pearster wide receiver, they're gonna have to pay
28:53
Speaker 6: a boatload of money to bring him back if they can,
28:55
Speaker 6: and also to get some of the other guys, namely
28:58
Speaker 6: a Trey Hendrickson who has a relationship ship with their
29:00
Speaker 6: defensive coordinator.
29:01
Speaker 4: I think all of those things they'll play, but I.
29:03
Speaker 6: Firmly expect Danie Jones gonna be the quarterback and Anthony
29:06
Speaker 6: Bridson will be playing somewhere else.
29:08
Speaker 3: And there'll be somebody somewhere that feels like they can
29:10
Speaker 3: get the most out of Anthony Richardson as well.
29:13
Speaker 6: It's just kind of I mean, or maybe but but
29:16
Speaker 6: but if they do, they'll be the first to ever
29:18
Speaker 6: do it.
29:18
Speaker 4: And all the way back to high school. So we'll see.
29:21
Speaker 6: But the talent is going to be intriguing because the
29:25
Speaker 6: way he runs around or whatever. But we'll see if
29:27
Speaker 6: someone can turn all the athleticism into some kind of
29:30
Speaker 6: consistent performance and production.
29:32
Speaker 5: Yeahlt hamstring ahead the cults you know, speak to because
29:37
Speaker 5: they're in this division. What a case study for when
29:42
Speaker 5: you have a quarterback, the consistency and.
29:45
Speaker 7: The level you can reach.
29:47
Speaker 5: They did it the entire time I was there with Peyton,
29:49
Speaker 5: and then they get Luck and from word go, contender
29:55
Speaker 5: feels stable.
29:56
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I could make an argument from the outside
29:59
Speaker 5: that they have been really just as good a franchise
30:03
Speaker 5: since Luck retired in terms of totality, talent level, competitiveness.
30:11
Speaker 5: But now they've turned into the team overnight, not overnight,
30:16
Speaker 5: but Luck retired way way back. But now they're the
30:20
Speaker 5: team that's always looking for that guy, whereas for twenty
30:23
Speaker 5: five years or whatever long it was, they were the
30:25
Speaker 5: team with that guy. And the results, you know, you
30:29
Speaker 5: can tell what it is. It is what this league
30:32
Speaker 5: is in a microcosm right now.
30:34
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think the lesson to be learned from them,
30:37
Speaker 6: even the brief moment that they had with Philip rivers.
30:40
Speaker 6: I think it's betting on the guy before we talk
30:43
Speaker 6: about the skills. I think you guys have the right
30:46
Speaker 6: guy in place flaws in awe before you can win
30:49
Speaker 6: at a high level. And the fact that they are,
30:52
Speaker 6: I mean so smitting with Daniel Jones tells you just
30:55
Speaker 6: the importance of like the character part of everything I talk.
30:58
Speaker 4: About, the work.
30:59
Speaker 6: Ethic, the leadership up just to connectivity with the team,
31:02
Speaker 6: I think that matters more. And I think they are
31:05
Speaker 6: perfect a prime example of why you better get it
31:07
Speaker 6: right on the person before you can start evaluating the player.
31:11
Speaker 6: And that's why Dan Jones is coveted within the building.
31:14
Speaker 3: All right, Bucky, Hey, next week, we'll try to tape
31:18
Speaker 3: this podcast on Tuesday.
31:20
Speaker 7: It sounds like during the tampering period.
31:22
Speaker 1: And the pre agency opens on Wednesday.
31:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, that should be fun.
31:26
Speaker 6: It's gonna be a lot of fun to tampering period
31:28
Speaker 6: free agent frenzy. The league never misses, think about the
31:32
Speaker 6: events they continue to create. We're gonna talk about it
31:34
Speaker 6: for seventy two hours before you can make a move,
31:37
Speaker 6: but we're gonna make sure that everyone's on pins and
31:39
Speaker 6: needles for those.
31:40
Speaker 4: Seventy two hours before we get a fish. These signed
31:42
Speaker 4: guys the deal.
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Speaker 1: Have a great week, Bucky. We'll talk to you next week.
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Speaker 4: Say Buck, all right, man, should be fun talk to you.
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Speaker 1: Brooks, John Oser, I'm JP Shadwick.
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Speaker 3: Thanks to Joe Fortunado and Brent Reaver, and thanks to
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