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F1 2024 Season Recap - Fast Laps with the Boys · Banter with the Boys

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  At least up. Let's go.
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  It's time for Banner with the boys.
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  Yo, yo, welcome back to Banter with the boys.
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  Fast laps.
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  I saw you adjust your McLaren hat there as we.
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  I know it's like all the way down here.
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  Wait. Oh, OK.
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  I thought you were making sure everybody could see.
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  Well, I mean, also Aaron constructors champion hat.
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  Yeah, we are champions. We got it.
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  Oh, we are champions. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Of course, Joe, how's it going?
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  It's going great.
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  I'm both equally incredibly happy,
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  incredibly excited and incredibly sad.
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  The season's over.
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  I think when in Abu Dhabi, definitely more
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  not carnage per se, but a bit a bit more eventful
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  than I think I was expecting going in.
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  I didn't I did not expect that much excitement in the first half.
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  Yes. Oh, yes, definitely.
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  I think I think I definitely take Abu Dhabi.
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  I love the track. It's a fun race to watch, but it's usually
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  relatively on the crappy game. It is. It is.
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  But it's usually relatively like boring.
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  The actual race itself. So it was nice.
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  We actually got a bit of action.
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  Looking forward to talking to talking about it.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  Well, let's not let's not hold off too much because we just got to get into it.
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  And obviously, we'll talk just a little bit about our thoughts
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  on the end of the season for each team as well.
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  And then obviously wrap up with our, you know, our predictions
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  and where Tyler and Cole race for first stacked up with Joe and I.
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  I wonder where I ended up.
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  Well, let's not talk about it. It's a good idea.
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  It got closer than you think for both races.
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  So it'll be interesting. So stay tuned.
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  But anyway, anyway, with that, Kev, let's head right into our Abu Dhabi recap.
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  And starting off the Abu Dhabi recap, actually, Joe, I did not see quality.
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  So you you just had a couple of bullet points here that you noticed.
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  So why don't you lay those on us? Yeah.
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  Watch it. Try watching every single quality.
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  I, you know, skip the practices, but quality we had.
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  I think the biggest thing next year. Sorry.
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  Not the energy. No, that's great. Finally, I'm not going to be able to do it.
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  I'm going to be able to do it.
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  I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it.
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  I'm going to be able to do it. I'm going to be able to do it.
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  Sorry, not the energy. Finally, I'm going to purchase F1 TV because it seems like it's worth it.
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  Oh, yeah. It's super, super worth it.
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  I love catching the qualities because there's typically some crazy thing that happens.
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  Obviously, you know, it's only an hour long.
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  So, you know, you get you get most of the day back for sure.
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  So I'll say the biggest thing that happened during during quality was turn one.
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  We had a couple of laps deleted and then reinstated.
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  I believe we had Lando or no Oscar and
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  Checos lap they had they had deleted because they went a little too wide on that turn one.
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  Oh, I saw that. It was reinstated.
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  Yeah. So you could see like there was a very, very close for.
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  I mean, it's so close.
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  And then we had Charles and this is actually what knocked him out.
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  He got his lap invalidated, which unfortunately put him in 14th and then just sent
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  because they're comparing Charles and in check.
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  Yes, that's what everybody's like. Yeah, they're uprising.
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  But like there is a it's it's really fine.
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  But there is a difference if you look at both pictures side by side.
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  Yeah, I remember looking at Facebook after the race and someone had posted the side
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  by sides between Charles and Checo.
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  And it was like it was like a blurry big foot picture.
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  And they were like they were like, how could they do this to Charles?
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  Like like it was the same exact line.
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  I was like, you can clearly see a blue line in between the white for Charles
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  versus Checo.
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  It doesn't look good, but it's at least a lot closer.
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  So, yeah. So that was probably the biggest thing that came for it.
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  That knocked out LeClair and he already had a 10 place grid penalty.
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  So just going into the session, it was like not looking good for, you know,
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  the highest that LeClair could get was 10.
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  So it's like this championship could already be over before this race.
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  You've already got to start. Yeah.
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  That's pretty much it, though. That's like the biggest thing.
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  Lewis got knocked out as well.
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  This is I think important as we get into the race recap.
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  Lewis got knocked out early because KMAC setting up for his lap, knocked a
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  bollard into the Mercedes fast lap.
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  Guys. Yeah. OK.
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  They stole that from us.
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  Yeah. Into Lewis's fast lap, just ruining his arrow and, you know, knocking him down
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  to, I think, like 16th or something like that.
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  So another unfortunate Q1 exit for Lewis.
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  But that is what we got for the race. Quali.
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  Yeah, for sure. No, I appreciate that.
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  Just kind of gives us an idea of what happened.
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  Everybody usually forgets about kind of what happens in quali.
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  So I definitely want to make that more of a point going into next season, for sure.
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  Sure. So even some of the practices would be good as well.
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  Yeah. Not that we want to get too long winded on everybody.
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  But yeah, no. I mean, I feel like if something crazy happens in practice,
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  you just got to sometimes sometimes it bleeds into quality.
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  Like if you crash out in practice three, there's a good chance
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  you're affected for for your first qualifying session.
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  So we've seen that a handful of times.
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  And then obviously that was dumb. Wow. I was going to be dumb.
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  I was going to say, you know, obviously quality affects, you know,
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  but possibly the Grand Prix. No, no, really. Good job.
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  Honestly, Mike. Sorry. Beginner at work here.
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  So anyway, with that, let us go into Red Bull. Let's do it.
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  We're just starting with Red Bull because obviously Max winning the WDC.
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  We've already touched on that.
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  Nothing, nothing crazy to say there, but he kind of went for a ride on that first lap.
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  Yes. That first lap was interesting, to say the least.
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  So whose fault is that for you?
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  For me, it's Max. Between Max and Oscar. Yeah.
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  It was Max. And he ended up getting a penalty.
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  He got a 10 second penalty for it,
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  which I'd like to touch on as well as we get closer to the end.
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  Not a time time needs spent on it, but yeah, Max caused a collision with Oscar.
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  He just took the turn poorly.
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  He had a bit of understeer knocked into Oscar.
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  Of course, he won the radio and said there was just nothing I could do.
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  That was just bad luck.
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  And Oscar came back with with the whole, you know, world champion.
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  That's a world champion right there.
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  You know, obviously putting Oscar in last, putting, I think, Max in 10th
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  or something like that. He fell pretty far. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So that was that was the first lap.
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  And then a little further down the grid, Sergio also knocking into Botas
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  and then just ending possibly his last race in F1 with a retirement.
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  I had looked up because it didn't look like his car was that damaged.
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  It looked like he just spun. That's why I was curious.
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  Yeah. So I looked it up earlier today because I was like, I've gotten like no info.
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  So I looked it up and he said, I found out that it was possible
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  that his car was already broken before the race even started.
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  But only he was having trouble.
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  He was having trouble getting into gear at times.
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  Interesting. So when he spun, he was just like, it's I don't care anymore.
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  I'm done. Yeah. Which is.
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  I mean, it sums up his whole year, more or less, right?
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  For sure. His whole year and not career, hopefully.
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  You know what I mean? But like it would suck to go out like that, though.
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  You know, and we'll get into it in the news, but those conversations
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  are going to be had at the end of the season. Yeah.
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  Everybody's already admitted it.
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  So it's it's it's that it's probably the end of Checo and Red Bull.
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  But again, we'll we'll touch on that in a little bit.
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  But I definitely would love to see.
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  I don't love to see is not the right answer, but I think it would be funny
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  to see Checo still have the seat and then everyone has to eat their hats.
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  All of ESPN, F1 TV.
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  But so but Sky Sports, so at Horner and Checo at this point,
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  because they both came out and that's what I think.
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  But I think I think or do you think that's all my Red Bull might.
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  Red Bull might be like, we're going to cycle literally everybody out.
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  They do love the drama.
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  I mean, Liam, I would absolutely not put him in that seat.
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  I think he needs to stay in the V car.
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  You know, it's crazy that I've said this.
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  I feel like a few races already.
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  It's crazy that they're putting Liam in that seat before Yuki.
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  Yeah, no, I would agree. I mean, Yuki was testing.
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  So I did see that.
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  I don't know. Do you think it means anything?
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  Ah, did Liam test in the car?
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  No, Liam tested in.
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  I I if he if he tested in early, I think. Yeah.
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  Did he did Liam test the Red Bull early in the season, though?
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  Early in the season? Yeah, like really early.
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  I can't remember. I don't remember.
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  But either way.
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  I don't know. Yeah, I I think Yuki testing.
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  I mean, they got to test somebody, right?
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  But I think Yuki testing in the car could could absolutely have
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  a factor on the start of next season.
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  Absolutely. And with knowing that these talks are going to happen.
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  Yeah, that's the that's the easiest assumption.
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  I mean, that's that's me being lazy.
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  Yeah, Yuki, you know, he's probably in the car.
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  It's got to be because they have their sources that are telling us.
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  I just can't see the reasoning to do Liam over Yuki. I wouldn't.
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  I think that would be that'd just be a crazy.
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  It's it's it's it seems like they would do it because they've seen Yuki
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  drive for a handful of years now.
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  Liam is still untested.
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  And so they are banking on him being better.
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  Right. Then then Yuki, which is just like, yeah, sure.
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  But Yuki has all this experience.
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  He's I don't know. It just seems weird.
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  He had he was testing in the Red Bull.
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  I just looked it up. Liam tested in the Red Bull last postseason.
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  So last year's postseason.
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  But hasn't been in the Red Bull since.
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  So I don't know if that means and he hasn't shown me enough to put him back in there.
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  No, I mean, to be fair, neither of them have, but they're their best options.
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  I mean, right. Are they, though?
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  I feel better than check.
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  Oh, right. And Vettel coming back.
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  Never. I'm just kidding.
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  Let's just put that to bed.
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  Stop it. Stop it. Down.
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  No, with that, we are actually going to move on to the next team.
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  Now, I do want to make it clear.
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  We are going to have a number of shows this offseason.
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  We don't want to feel like your teams are being cut short.
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  But in an effort to keep this thing at a respectable length here,
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  we do have to go on.
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  Joe's just eyeballing me over here because I'm pretty sure he could go on for three hours.
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  I could. So we got we got plenty more of that coming anyway in the offseason.
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  So don't don't you worry.
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  Ferrari. Not a horrible race from them, obviously.
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  They didn't get what they really ultimately wanted.
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  But the constructors, but they OK, did you think they would battle
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  for the constructors to start this season?
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  I can't remember if we start this season.
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  I got to go back and listen to the first episode now. Right.
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  We should do that for part of that.
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  I mean, I've been to some of our early episodes and early wild takes.
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  That's a good idea.
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  How ridiculous, especially our first episode.
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  We'll do that. We'll look into our first episode and see if we can take some of our takes,
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  especially because now I'm thinking back of it.
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  We had some takes on who would finish in what place and constructors
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  and stuff like that.
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  Um, yeah, going into the race, going into the season, I don't I don't know.
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  I can't I'm pretty sure we had for our at least competing a little bit.
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  I don't know if we had them winning constructors per se.
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  I think in my mind, Max was still, you know, Max and Red Bull were still dominating.
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  We really thought that.
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  Where did Chekhov finish in the I know I'm just throwing everything at you.
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  Where did Chekhov finish in the driver's standings last?
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  I think he finished second.
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  Kev's going to pull it up quick, but I'm pretty sure he finished second.
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  Yeah, yeah, he does. Yeah, second.
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  So we had every reason to believe that Red Bull was going to come out and do it again.
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  I certainly did. Yeah.
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  And with how fast Max and how dominating Max was last year, I mean, it was
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  I mean, it just seemed like a no brainer.
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  It was almost
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  I hate to just like.
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  Cry dynasty right away on things because
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  as Minnesota sports fans here in the States and Minnesota,
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  we've had some pretty bad luck with pro sports teams.
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  I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Running into dynasties.
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  But anyway, the Red Bull seemed like they were well on their way
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  to being that lock almost until McLaren this season really showed something.
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  And it wasn't just McLaren, his Ferrari and a little bit of Mercedes.
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  But we'll get on that. But
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  oh, darn it, I lost my train of thought.
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  Just keep looking at me, Joe. I'll think about it.
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  That didn't work. All right.
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  Unbelievable. I don't know where you're going.
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  Let's talk about more of a Ferrari, though. That's fine.
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  That's disappointing.
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  I'll think about it. But yeah, anyway.
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  Ferrari to three to three. Really good race.
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  I mean, going out with it. So I thought about it.
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  Obviously, I'm rooting for my my orange boys, my papaya boys,
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  every single race. But going into Sunday.
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  I know. I know. Where does it come from?
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  I don't I don't know.
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  Going into Sunday, though, I wanted signs to win the race.
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  I wanted him to have like an epic like why, though, like a prove it point
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  or just because I send off part.
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  It's the send off.
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  I thought Lewis Hamilton. Are you are you like salty about Lewis?
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  No, because Lewis picked picked.
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  He chose to go to. OK. Yeah.
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  That's probably why. That's fair enough.
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  He can still win at Ferrari.
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  I've seen I've seen him win at Mercedes a bunch and going into this race.
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  He was super down on his luck.
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  Like he it seemed like he didn't want to race.
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  So he really wasn't even my mind.
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  I'm really happy how he finished and we'll talk about it.
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  But talking about going into the race, I wanted signs to win.
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  Now, after lap one, that kind of went out the window.
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  And I was like, all right, I need my need Lando to stay in first.
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  Like, that's all that matters at this point.
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  So I'm really happy he got second.
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  That's just because Oscar wrecked. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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  He had to carry the team at that point.
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  So I'm really happy signs kept second.
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  It was an incredible drive.
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  Still a really, really strong way to end the season.
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  So he he deserves all the praise. He deserves more than a William.
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  I mean, come on a Williams.
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  I mean, we were all pushing for him to be in that in that red.
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  We'll see. And now potentially might end up being open.
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  You know, like maybe sucks.
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  Yeah. Not that he would have waited this long anyway.
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  No. Yeah. Yeah.
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  You got to lock in a job.
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  It's really hard to like, yeah, be uncertain.
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  And Red Bull has so many people they can pull from.
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  But I mean, yeah.
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  So many people, but not many.
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  I don't know. Not many as qualified as signs, you know, like signs
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  is just the best option out of any of the Red Bull picks, I think right now.
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  Oh, yeah. That's a that's a given.
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  Signs aside, LeClaire.
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  Driving driver over the day, no, no questions asked.
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  Nineteenth to third.
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  What a crazy drive from that's insane.
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  It's great to see him finish a season like that.
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  I mean, they go out with such a dominating drive like that.
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  I hope he I hope he holds like a vendetta now against like
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  just every single team. No, no, not against Lewis, but like
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  I'm kind of referencing the look he gave Lewis at the end of the race.
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  You know, like he gave I don't know if it was like a it just
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  it was just like a kind of like an evil eye look like we're going to come back
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  next year. This car is going to be fast.
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  Like we can do this, right?
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  Because I think it's possible.
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  Obviously, Lando was gone, right?
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  Right. That Ferrari was competitive.
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  Oh, no. And I think Ferrari ended the season
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  a lot more competitive than we thought they were as well.
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  So I think going into next season,
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  there could be a lot of teams at the top.
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  I think Red Bull is not going to be a favorite next year to win the constructors.
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  But I think they'll be absolutely still in the conversation.
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  I mean, with Max, they have to be. Yeah. So.
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  But it's going to be a battle between those top 14 is 100 percent.
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  But yeah, great. Mega drive from LeClaire.
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  Mega drive from for sure. Yeah.
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  But moving right along here, let me pull my my dock back up.
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  Let's move on to McLaren. Let's move on.
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  Yeah. You know what? You're just geeking over there. Go for it.
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  What's what what are you geeking about?
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  Other than the instructors, champions, champions.
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  Last time they were constructors champion was 1998.
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  Neither of the drivers were even born yet.
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  Like, I just get that out of the way. Right.
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  It's pure insanity.
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  Zach Brown looks so happy. Oh, my gosh.
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  I love seeing I love seeing Zach Brown geeking like it's crazy.
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  No. Yeah, that was Piaz here.
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  Unfortunately, really bad hand lap one.
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  He only made it worse than himself.
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  Crashing into Franco gave him another gave him his first
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  10 second during the race.
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  So really, I just wanted to see him get a point.
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  That way we can say he contributed during this win.
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  You got that. And not to say he hasn't contributed in other races
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  because without Piaz, Lando could not have carried it by any means.
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  No, I agree. 100 percent.
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  But it was nice to see him pick up a point so he can kind of come.
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  You know, say he contributed on the project. Exactly.
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  For this race. Yeah. And then.
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  But he's contributed all year.
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  I mean, he's had a great season.
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  His second season and he's already a Constructors champion.
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  But it's scary. Right.
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  Clarence scary. I am.
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  You got to be excited about the prospect of them continuing this
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  in the next season, even.
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  I mean, it's a good chance of that.
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  It's I'm kind of scared, actually, to be honest, because I know.
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  Are you scared of a giant downfall?
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  I am because we've seen it happen before.
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  We've seen it happen to Mercedes.
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  Like we've seen it happen to McLaren.
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  The first Oscars first year, this they started awful.
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  It was so bad.
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  So I'm I am worried about that.
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  I'm really worried about that.
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  I still think they could take it away.
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  I think they're going to next year really strong.
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  So I'm hoping that that what do you do is over.
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  Are you more afraid of like Ferrari at this point than than like Red Bull?
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  Not knowing who could be in that second seat.
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  If it's let's say it's Chacko.
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  Are you more are you more afraid of Ferrari or Red Bull as a McLaren fan?
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  I'm looking at the point of WDC because I honestly
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  I would love to see Lando or Piazzetti.
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  You're still afraid of Max.
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  I'm still afraid of Max.
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  That's probably my biggest threat in terms of teams.
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  Is it Charles time, though?
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  Or do you think I could be an issue with you?
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  As a WDC, I would love to see Lando, Charles and Max.
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  Or let's throw in.
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  I was about to say George, but I mean like maybe Lewis.
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  Yeah, right.
• 17:44
  You could say George.
• 17:45
  You really think so.
• 17:46
  I want to see.
• 17:47
  We'll get to George.
• 17:48
  I want to see Leclerc, Lando and Oscar fighting for WDC.
• 17:51
  Leclerc, Lando and Oscar.
• 17:52
  I want to see Oscar win the WC in his third year.
• 17:54
  That would be.
• 17:55
  That's what you want.
• 17:56
  I think Max will also be in that group.
• 17:58
  Yeah, 100%.
• 18:00
  Until he's done.
• 18:00
  Yeah, 100%.
• 18:03
  Or until he's Alonso's age, but he's already
• 18:05
  said he's not going to do that.
• 18:06
  Yeah, which is understandable.
• 18:07
  Alonso's like 70 at this point, right?
• 18:09
  So he's going to be racing forever.
• 18:12
  Sorry, Fernando.
• 18:13
  I'm sorry, Fernando.
• 18:13
  There was a meme where it said people
• 18:16
  and great drivers in 2050.
• 18:18
  And it went through like Max, Lando, Oscar,
• 18:20
  and it all said retired.
• 18:21
  And it said Fernando Alonso just won.
• 18:23
  And he's like, yeah.
• 18:26
  Yeah, no, that's, he's, I wonder when he's going to retire.
• 18:29
  He's 43, jeez.
• 18:30
  Yeah, he's old for the sport.
• 18:31
  But I mean, Lewis is 40 plus too, isn't he?
• 18:34
  No, I'm going to date Lewis.
• 18:35
  I don't think he's at 40 quite yet.
• 18:37
  I'm going to feel like crap about this in a minute.
• 18:40
  But he's 39.
• 18:44
  OK, sorry.
• 18:45
  He's 39, so he's almost 40 actually.
• 18:46
  He turns 40 next month.
• 18:48
  I thought he was a tiny bit younger.
• 18:49
  You're welcome.
• 18:50
  I'm right, kind of.
• 18:51
  OK.
• 18:52
  But I will be right in a month.
• 18:53
  Listen to this episode in a month.
• 18:54
  Oh, he's 40 in a month.
• 18:56
  Oh, happy birthday, Lewis.
• 18:58
  Yeah, early birthday.
• 18:59
  Early birthday.
• 19:00
  Go get your next championship in Ferrari.
• 19:02
  Yeah, that'd be great.
• 19:04
  I don't know.
• 19:04
  Well, OK.
• 19:06
  I don't know how you felt.
• 19:08
  It's OK.
• 19:08
  Squirrel.
• 19:09
  I don't know how you felt watching the race.
• 19:11
  But when Oscar spun out, I got the same feeling
• 19:15
  I got in Miami with Lando kind of racing for the win,
• 19:19
  where I was just like a pit in my stomach.
• 19:20
  I felt sick immediately.
• 19:21
  I was like, Lando literally has to carry this now.
• 19:23
  Oh, yeah.
• 19:24
  And I heard the commentators say, if he wins, it's over.
• 19:27
  It doesn't matter what the Ferraris do.
• 19:29
  So I'm like, he just needs to stay in the clean air.
• 19:31
  You were just on the edge of your seat from turn one.
• 19:33
  Pretty much, yeah.
• 19:33
  I think when I got to maybe halfway to 3 quarters,
• 19:37
  I was more calm because I was like,
• 19:39
  Lando is handedly kind of taking this.
• 19:41
  But then if I were to get more calm like that,
• 19:43
  I'm going to be like, puncture.
• 19:45
  Oh my god, puncture.
• 19:46
  Shoot.
• 19:47
  Yeah.
• 19:47
  And just start immediately thinking the worst.
• 19:50
  Yeah, I was like, please don't say it to the car.
• 19:51
  He's got a line and wins.
• 19:53
  Yeah, so that's all I kind of have to say for McLaren
• 19:56
  at the time.
• 19:57
  I'm really happy for him.
• 19:58
  It's great to see my favorite team do so well.
• 20:01
  I don't know.
• 20:02
  I doubt I'm going to see them do this forever.
• 20:05
  So it's really nice that I was a fan of them
• 20:07
  when they were at their peak.
• 20:09
  And just a final thought for McLaren,
• 20:12
  I'm really excited to see what Oscar does.
• 20:14
  He's becoming more of a fan of Oscar than I am of Lando
• 20:17
  at times.
• 20:18
  I think he's shown so much potential.
• 20:21
  His driving, or just like.
• 20:22
  His driving.
• 20:23
  And also his attitude, too.
• 20:24
  Attitude, yeah.
• 20:25
  Lando's attitude has changed a little bit this year.
• 20:28
  I respect Lando's pessimism a lot of the time,
• 20:32
  where he's very hard on himself.
• 20:34
  Sure, sure.
• 20:35
  He was cocky a few times, but I think
• 20:37
  he rightfully can be at times.
• 20:40
  Oscar's like a mini Kimi Raikkonen,
• 20:42
  where he just doesn't say anything a lot of the time.
• 20:44
  He doesn't show emotions.
• 20:45
  It's just fun to see him get out there racing
• 20:48
  and come out of the race.
• 20:49
  And he get two wins.
• 20:50
  Yeah, he did.
• 20:50
  He's crazy.
• 20:51
  Yeah.
• 20:52
  So that's all I'll say about McLaren.
• 20:53
  I'll stop gushing.
• 20:54
  No, it's OK.
• 20:55
  It's OK.
• 20:56
  Don't worry.
• 20:56
  Before we end the show, if I remember anyway,
• 20:58
  we'll do our entirely, just between me and you,
• 21:02
  our entirely way too early 2025 predictions.
• 21:05
  Oh, man.
• 21:06
  Yeah, just constructors and WDC.
• 21:08
  Sure.
• 21:08
  Who's on your heart today.
• 21:09
  Not official.
• 21:10
  Not official.
• 21:10
  Not official.
• 21:11
  But we'll talk about it a little bit.
• 21:12
  It'll inevitably come up all off season.
• 21:14
  Yeah.
• 21:14
  Mercedes.
• 21:17
  Mercedes, Mercedes.
• 21:18
  I mean, and we'll again put down,
• 21:22
  I mean, Kev, you could put the ticker on now if you want.
• 21:24
  Just to go over it.
• 21:25
  You know, people can see the WDC final standings
• 21:28
  and then the constructors final standings.
• 21:31
  But Mercedes getting a P4 and P5 this race.
• 21:37
  Do you read anything into that Hamilton passing George late?
• 21:40
  Do you think that, do you think George gave that to him?
• 21:44
  I know that because the commentators are making it
• 21:46
  sound like a really big deal.
• 21:47
  And then I didn't actually see it because they didn't show it.
• 21:51
  So it's, I'm like, did he really drive the crap out
• 21:55
  of that thing to pass George in the last couple of turns?
• 21:57
  Or did George let him do it?
• 22:00
  Was there a team order?
• 22:01
  Was Lewis just like, I am Mercedes
• 22:03
  and you're going to remember my name, Sir Lewis Hamilton?
• 22:06
  You know what I mean?
• 22:06
  I don't know.
• 22:07
  I totally know what you mean.
• 22:08
  It's a great question.
• 22:09
  I don't have all the answers, but I have like.
• 22:12
  Get your hat out.
• 22:13
  OK.
• 22:14
  Hi.
• 22:15
  Here's what I think.
• 22:17
  George was told to keep it clean by Toto.
• 22:21
  For the whole race.
• 22:22
  Actually went on the radio.
• 22:23
  No, no, no.
• 22:23
  When Lewis was approaching.
• 22:25
  Oh, I missed it.
• 22:26
  Toto went onto the radio.
• 22:27
  Toto himself was like, keep it clean, obviously.
• 22:30
  We're doing that, Kev, next year.
• 22:31
  The calm thing.
• 22:32
  We'll do that.
• 22:32
  New for 2025.
• 22:33
  George.
• 22:33
  Bonehead and then maybe like.
• 22:34
  Yeah.
• 22:35
  We'll figure it out.
• 22:36
  Anyway, sorry.
• 22:36
  No, you're good.
• 22:37
  Derail you.
• 22:38
  George said, that's fine.
• 22:39
  So I do think he was allowed to race him.
• 22:42
  I don't know because I didn't see it either.
• 22:44
  They they cut to Lando winning.
• 22:46
  I don't know if George made it a lot of a fight,
• 22:49
  but Lewis sure had to fight getting up to him at least.
• 22:52
  Like it was the last lap when he passed him.
• 22:54
  Yeah, no, I was for sure the last.
• 22:56
  No, I know that for sure.
• 22:57
  They were just like they were just like freaking out
• 22:59
  like they were falling off their seat.
• 23:01
  I think I read passing him on the outside and the in a turn
• 23:04
  and going so fast.
• 23:07
  And I was just like, oh, my God.
• 23:08
  And then Lewis was just in front of them.
• 23:09
  They cut back.
• 23:10
  And then George had no chance to catch him.
• 23:12
  No, the line.
• 23:13
  And I don't think he would have been able to anyway.
• 23:15
  I do think I read somewhere where
• 23:16
  George said that he had to kind of or that it made sense
• 23:20
  for Lewis to pass him and that Lewis deserve to have passed
• 23:23
  him.
• 23:23
  I don't know if I read too much into that either.
• 23:26
  I don't think George would have fought very hard no matter what.
• 23:29
  I don't think he has an issue with it.
• 23:30
  Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 23:31
  You know, it's the guy's last race,
• 23:32
  Mercedes, a team that he's been with for 13 years like.
• 23:36
  Oh, and they are they are like good old chaps.
• 23:41
  So you know, a little bit British, a little bit, you know.
• 23:44
  But no, I do think they tolerate each other.
• 23:46
  I think there's something there, though, that's just like.
• 23:49
  So some sort of uneven, I would say, attention.
• 23:52
  But maybe that's just how it is when you.
• 23:55
  You know, you know, you're performing on an equal level.
• 23:58
  And I would say that George performed on an equal level
• 24:00
  as Lewis, if not outperformed him this season, you know.
• 24:03
  So I think that's just an uneven tension in there.
• 24:06
  And I think not to bring up McLaren again,
• 24:08
  but I think that's what we're going
• 24:09
  to see next season with Lando and Oscar.
• 24:11
  It's all fun and games, buddy, buddy right now.
• 24:13
  Just one constructors.
• 24:14
  That's fun.
• 24:16
  Each one a few races, you know what I mean?
• 24:18
  But I think that's that's going to end next year.
• 24:21
  But anyway, sorry, I don't know.
• 24:23
  Sorry, I just got excited.
• 24:23
  Yeah, man, there's a lot to look forward to.
• 24:26
  I don't. Yeah, I don't think George had anything to gain,
• 24:28
  you know, for no, I think he's just I think he's just ready.
• 24:32
  Yeah, I think he's ready.
• 24:33
  I think this is this what George said, Kev.
• 24:37
  We're just hard, but fairly.
• 24:38
  And it came down to the wire ultimate for me.
• 24:40
  Having these three years together, learn so much.
• 24:41
  Yeah, I honestly think maybe Lewis is probably one
• 24:43
  of Georgia's only friends right now.
• 24:45
  He deserved to finish ahead of me.
• 24:47
  That's what I read earlier.
• 24:48
  OK, yeah.
• 24:49
  So I don't think he probably didn't straight give it to him,
• 24:52
  but I don't think he probably fought very hard.
• 24:53
  It just doesn't make sense.
• 24:55
  You could ruin both your races in instant.
• 24:56
  I think George is better than that.
• 24:58
  100 percent. You still got four or five.
• 25:00
  You still ended the season what?
• 25:01
  Probably P4 and constructors.
• 25:03
  Yeah.
• 25:03
  I can't remember, right?
• 25:05
  That's sad.
• 25:05
  Red Bull's going to be.
• 25:07
  Yeah, Red Bull's going to be in between Ferrari and Mercedes.
• 25:12
  Yeah, yeah.
• 25:13
  P4 and constructors by a long shot.
• 25:16
  Yeah, but they didn't have they were not
• 25:17
  competing with the other three.
• 25:19
  No, not at all.
• 25:20
  But they had a pretty good lead on Aston, though.
• 25:22
  They did.
• 25:23
  Oh, yeah, like almost 400 points.
• 25:25
  Yeah.
• 25:27
  Yeah, I don't have anything else to say about Mercedes
• 25:29
  right now currently.
• 25:31
  Again, there's more coming in the off season.
• 25:32
  Did you watch the ending of the podium ceremony and stuff?
• 25:35
  I didn't watch the ceremony.
• 25:37
  I started looking up.
• 25:38
  So OK, so.
• 25:42
  I recorded the race so I could watch it again,
• 25:44
  because usually I'm trying to like take notes for, you know,
• 25:47
  for pod, you know, for the show while I'm watching it.
• 25:51
  And so sometimes I miss stuff or whatever.
• 25:53
  So I rewatch it again.
• 25:55
  Well, when I went to rewatch it, I recorded the show, the F1 race.
• 25:59
  But what it was actually playing was not F1.
• 26:02
  It was like water polo.
• 26:05
  And yeah, actually, it was insane.
• 26:07
  So it recorded two and a half hours of axe throwing and water
• 26:11
  polo.
• 26:12
  Watching ESPN at the Ocho.
• 26:14
  It was.
• 26:15
  Axe throwing was on the Ocho.
• 26:17
  That was on instead of the replay of the Abu Dhabi,
• 26:21
  because that's what I want to record,
• 26:22
  because I forgot to record the live one.
• 26:24
  But they replay it usually on Sunday night.
• 26:26
  So I'm like, perfect.
• 26:27
  I didn't have it apparently.
• 26:28
  No, it didn't happen.
• 26:29
  Listen, it was the water polo championship.
• 26:31
  How can they not play that instead?
• 26:33
  I don't think it was.
• 26:35
  I think it was just a conference water polo game in NCAA.
• 26:39
  I don't know.
• 26:40
  That's so funny.
• 26:41
  But the first one was the Ocho actually.
• 26:42
  Hey, look, that's us.
• 26:44
  Oh, yeah.
• 26:46
  Yeah, right?
• 26:47
  Oh my god.
• 26:48
  So anyway, long story short, wow, that was a sidebar.
• 26:54
  Where was I going with that now?
• 26:55
  I have no idea.
• 26:57
  Oh, I asked the podium celebration.
• 26:58
  Oh, yeah.
• 26:59
  So I started looking up some videos of post-race interviews
• 27:01
  and stuff, because I did want to see some things.
• 27:03
  But I missed the podium.
• 27:04
  Yeah, it was a night.
• 27:05
  Lewis got to do his donuts.
• 27:06
  That was a really long answer.
• 27:07
  Oh, I did see that.
• 27:08
  Lewis got to do his donuts.
• 27:09
  He got to pay homage to the car.
• 27:10
  And then he just, because he was supposed to do an interview
• 27:13
  with Terry Crews, I think.
• 27:15
  But he was lost with his team.
• 27:17
  Just hugging them.
• 27:18
  Terry Crews was lost?
• 27:18
  No.
• 27:19
  Oh, Lewis.
• 27:20
  I was like, wait, first off, why does Terry Crews have a team?
• 27:23
  Terry Crews was lost?
• 27:24
  Team of Terry Crews?
• 27:25
  Terry Crews, we still can't find him.
• 27:26
  If you've seen Terry Crews, please call this number.
• 27:30
  Oh my god.
• 27:30
  No, yeah.
• 27:31
  He would carnage right now.
• 27:32
  Yeah, no, Lewis Hamilton.
• 27:33
  He went to the garage, and he just
• 27:34
  started taking selfies with his team, saying good,
• 27:37
  hugging everyone.
• 27:38
  For sure.
• 27:39
  How do you feel about the donut?
• 27:41
  I have no issue with it.
• 27:42
  Oh, is there anyone against the donut?
• 27:45
  Oh, yeah.
• 27:45
  No.
• 27:46
  Yeah, well, this is on the book face, on Meta,
• 27:51
  on some of the groups that I follow, which is way too
• 27:53
  many F1 groups.
• 27:54
  And they all cry and moan and whatever.
• 27:57
  I want to use other words there.
• 27:59
  I got you.
• 28:00
  Yeah, yeah.
• 28:02
  Same brain cell.
• 28:03
  Hat situation.
• 28:04
  No.
• 28:05
  Darn it.
• 28:06
  Wow, this is really bad.
• 28:08
  Book face.
• 28:09
  Oh, no.
• 28:09
  They were complaining about the donuts.
• 28:11
  Like, well, it's not like he's retiring and blah, blah, blah.
• 28:14
  And like, oh, OK, I see some of that.
• 28:16
  But he still is like, he made who Mercedes is right now,
• 28:21
  essentially.
• 28:22
  You know what I mean?
• 28:23
  100%.
• 28:23
  They weren't a whole lot going on when he joined them.
• 28:26
  So I don't know.
• 28:28
  I think it was fine.
• 28:29
  I literally had no issue with it.
• 28:30
  The fact that some people are making it an issue
• 28:32
  is just like, OK, you are the people that
• 28:35
  will not have fun at parties.
• 28:36
  Yeah, you just like hate fun.
• 28:38
  For sure.
• 28:38
  100%.
• 28:39
  That's what I'm thinking.
• 28:40
  How often do we see F1 cars doing burnouts or donuts?
• 28:44
  We don't get to.
• 28:45
  Yeah, no.
• 28:45
  We get to see it at the end of the season.
• 28:47
  That's frowned upon.
• 28:48
  It's very frowned upon.
• 28:49
  End of the season or if something's
• 28:50
  very wrong during a race.
• 28:52
  Yeah, yeah.
• 28:53
  Or if Stroll hits a wall and tries to get out of it
• 28:56
  and beaches it instead.
• 28:57
  Beaches himself.
• 28:59
  Yeah, whatever.
• 28:59
  So I don't have an issue with it.
• 29:00
  I'm glad you don't either.
• 29:01
  I thought it was great.
• 29:02
  Lewis deserves to do it.
• 29:04
  Yeah, 100%.
• 29:05
  100%.
• 29:06
  Let's move on.
• 29:07
  Let's move on.
• 29:07
  Let's do it.
• 29:08
  Let's see.
• 29:08
  Who do we got?
• 29:09
  Alpine.
• 29:09
  Alpine.
• 29:11
  Alpine.
• 29:12
  Gasly had a decent race again.
• 29:13
  He actually finished the season fairly strong.
• 29:17
  He finished this race P7.
• 29:19
  But he really finished the season strong.
• 29:23
  That Alpine.
• 29:24
  Red Bull's going to buy out Gasly and bring him
• 29:26
  into the second Red Bull seat.
• 29:27
  They should.
• 29:28
  They should.
• 29:29
  Gasly is impressing me.
• 29:30
  That'd be so much fun.
• 29:31
  Impressing me.
• 29:32
  How much money would that take to throw out Alpine
• 29:34
  to make that happen?
• 29:35
  To throw it out.
• 29:36
  I was going to say Gasly would probably do it.
• 29:36
  Because that's how that would work, right?
• 29:37
  They'd have to almost pay Alpine.
• 29:39
  Because can you even do that?
• 29:40
  Oh my gosh.
• 29:41
  It would cost a lot of money.
• 29:43
  It's not going to happen for P and Gasly.
• 29:45
  You'd break a contract.
• 29:45
  No.
• 29:46
  It's not going to happen.
• 29:46
  They'd put Yuki in that seat before they did their question.
• 29:48
  They literally just re-signed him for Malta a year, I think.
• 29:50
  So it's not going to happen.
• 29:53
  And he already had his chance, unfortunately.
• 29:54
  I know.
• 29:55
  I don't know if they would do it anyway.
• 29:56
  Either way, that aside.
• 29:58
  That frustrated me.
• 29:59
  With the worst car on the grid, seven races ago.
• 30:04
  Yeah, right.
• 30:05
  To get points like that and get into six.
• 30:08
  And there he was right there.
• 30:08
  He just went the bottom of your screen.
• 30:10
  He's P10.
• 30:11
  He's in the points of WDC.
• 30:13
  That's insane.
• 30:14
  Ahead of both V-Carb drivers, that's insane.
• 30:18
  Right?
• 30:18
  What was that?
• 30:20
  Time to buy him out.
• 30:22
  Not even Gasly.
• 30:22
  Alpine in general, obviously, Oconn wasn't really flexing it.
• 30:25
  Doohan did nothing this race.
• 30:27
  But he got some little experience.
• 30:28
  That's fine.
• 30:29
  Right.
• 30:29
  That's totally fine.
• 30:31
  I'm actually very curious what Alpine's going to do next year.
• 30:34
  Are they going to compete with the likes of Ferrari?
• 30:36
  No.
• 30:36
  And McLaren?
• 30:37
  No, no, no.
• 30:37
  No.
• 30:38
  But I want to be more midfield.
• 30:39
  It would be fun to see somebody else compete with Aston.
• 30:44
  And I think Alpine would be the closest to it.
• 30:46
  Haas isn't that far off either, though.
• 30:48
  No, they aren't.
• 30:49
  But they're putting some interesting drivers
• 30:51
  in their car next year.
• 30:52
  Yeah, on behalf of Mike, I'm angry.
• 30:54
  I'll just say that.
• 30:55
  I'm angry, you know?
• 30:56
  Why?
• 30:57
  Because Haas got seventh, right?
• 30:59
  They beat out Haas.
• 31:01
  Right.
• 31:01
  So I'm happy.
• 31:03
  But on behalf of Mike, I'm not.
• 31:04
  Oh, on behalf of Mike.
• 31:05
  Yeah, you did say that.
• 31:06
  You did say that twice.
• 31:07
  And I just chose not to listen.
• 31:09
  In general, it's whatever.
• 31:10
  I saw red.
• 31:10
  Sorry.
• 31:11
  You're good.
• 31:11
  You're good.
• 31:14
  Apparently, I bleed Alpine, though.
• 31:16
  Do you think Alpine can be as strong as they are right now,
• 31:20
  though?
• 31:20
  That car.
• 31:21
  Just like to start the season?
• 31:22
  I don't know, man.
• 31:23
  They were so bad to start the season.
• 31:25
  And I mean, Pierre Gasly also, by the way,
• 31:29
  finished with costing his team nothing.
• 31:32
  First driver in F1 history.
• 31:36
  Really?
• 31:36
  Allegedly.
• 31:37
  So I did not double check that.
• 31:40
  Kev's on it.
• 31:41
  Kev's the new stack guy.
• 31:42
  I know that he didn't get any damage this year.
• 31:46
  And editor and producer.
• 31:47
  But historically, that's crazy good.
• 31:50
  Yeah, no.
• 31:51
  So that's really cool.
• 31:52
  The Destructors, if you will.
• 31:54
  The Destructors championship.
• 31:55
  No, yeah, that's awesome.
• 31:57
  But no, to start the season, I don't know.
• 32:00
  Does it make you worried thinking that Chekhov finished
• 32:03
  first in the Destructors?
• 32:04
  We should save this for an offseason.
• 32:06
  We'll talk about Destructors maybe in another offseason
• 32:09
  episode.
• 32:09
  I can always talk about Pierre.
• 32:10
  So that'll be plenty.
• 32:11
  Oh, Logan's up there.
• 32:12
  Oh, god.
• 32:12
  OK, yeah, that's good.
• 32:13
  Let's stable that.
• 32:14
  This is good content.
• 32:15
  We will talk about Destructors in another episode.
• 32:17
  It's good content.
• 32:18
  That's a great site.
• 32:21
  I like the colors.
• 32:22
  It's a very colorful site.
• 32:23
  Sorry.
• 32:24
  I'm getting distracted.
• 32:25
  Yeah, it makes you think, you got to hope
• 32:26
  that they didn't put everything they had into fixing
• 32:30
  their car for this year.
• 32:31
  I don't think so.
• 32:32
  And they just come out of the bat not swinging at all.
• 32:34
  I don't think so.
• 32:34
  They still feel very confident because they still
• 32:38
  have the rental power plant for one more year.
• 32:40
  I feel like it's one more year.
• 32:42
  No.
• 32:43
  And then going to Mercedes.
• 32:46
  I can't remember.
• 32:46
  Alpine, two Mercedes engines.
• 32:47
  I don't think it's Ferrari.
• 32:49
  I think it's Mercedes.
• 32:50
  I want to say it was 2025, right?
• 32:51
  If it's Ferrari, no, it is 2026.
• 32:53
  It is.
• 32:54
  So they got the rental engine for one more year.
• 32:56
  I think.
• 32:57
  I don't know.
• 32:58
  I think it could be fun because Renault thought
• 33:00
  before it came out that they were going to go Mercedes.
• 33:03
  Because that is right.
• 33:04
  Mercedes 2026.
• 33:05
  Yes.
• 33:06
  Yeah.
• 33:06
  Before that came out, Renault was very confident
• 33:09
  that they had a competitive 2026 engine.
• 33:13
  Now you're about to lose your F1s, the only team
• 33:17
  using your engine in F1.
• 33:18
  So of course, you're going to come out and say that.
• 33:20
  But they were very confident that it
• 33:22
  was going to be something and that they
• 33:24
  had a valid argument before the Mercedes news came out.
• 33:27
  So I think next year, French team, French power unit,
• 33:33
  I think they want to go out with a bang.
• 33:37
  But to answer your question, though, that you asked, no.
• 33:41
  I don't think they're going to come out super strong in 2025.
• 33:44
  Do I want them to?
• 33:45
  Of course.
• 33:45
  Hopefully they're fighting low midfield.
• 33:48
  I think they could still fight only because Haas's drivers
• 33:51
  have changed.
• 33:52
  I think you could see Jack fighting Ocon.
• 33:56
  I think that would be fun.
• 33:59
  At the moment, Alpine and Haas is
• 34:02
  going to be fighting V-Carbs again, no way, no how.
• 34:06
  I think those three teams could absolutely
• 34:08
  be racing against each other again next season
• 34:10
  if nothing else changes.
• 34:13
  Now with the Red Bull stuff, who knows?
• 34:15
  But put Jacko in a V-Carb.
• 34:18
  But it says no one.
• 34:21
  But yeah, anyway, yeah.
• 34:23
  Hope for the best for Alpine next season.
• 34:25
  But they ended very strong.
• 34:27
  They did.
• 34:28
  And grabbing P6 is absolutely massive for them.
• 34:30
  I think it's 10 or 12 mil or something extra that they get.
• 34:33
  So that's huge.
• 34:34
  It's massive.
• 34:35
  Yeah, I'm very, very surprised just how they started out
• 34:39
  them doing as well as it did.
• 34:41
  If you would have asked me midseason,
• 34:43
  I would never have placed them in sixth ever.
• 34:45
  No, absolutely not.
• 34:47
  I mean, the way it was going, V-Carb
• 34:48
  should have been there all day with the way
• 34:50
  he was performing.
• 34:52
  And then you had Haas, too, that was getting hot.
• 34:54
  I mean, Nico was pretty dang consistent.
• 34:56
  He came make it a couple races even, which is,
• 34:59
  I can't believe I'm saying that.
• 35:01
  But he had a couple decent races in there.
• 35:04
  Moving on, Aston, you just put here Alonso did
• 35:07
  what Alonso does best, defended Piazzari off.
• 35:11
  Yep, that's pretty much the only thing I got from Aston Martin.
• 35:13
  Alonso hard defended Piazzari from getting past him.
• 35:17
  It ruined his tires.
• 35:18
  And he had to just slide in behind him.
• 35:20
  If he got past him sooner, Piazzari
• 35:22
  would have finished ahead of him first off
• 35:24
  and would have probably gotten more points.
• 35:26
  So good on Alonso.
• 35:27
  How old did we say he was?
• 35:28
  43?
• 35:29
  Yeah, 43.
• 35:32
  Is he going to race one year in the 2026 car, you think?
• 35:36
  Before he would call it a retirement.
• 35:38
  What is his contract at?
• 35:39
  Is his contract through 2026?
• 35:40
  I think it's through 2026.
• 35:41
  He does like two to three year stuff, I think.
• 35:44
  Yeah, you and Tyler were mentioning early on
• 35:46
  that you never really know.
• 35:47
  Alonso just gets paid and races.
• 35:49
  He doesn't do super long.
• 35:51
  I think he just likes the money.
• 35:53
  But he's good at it, so why stop, I guess.
• 35:57
  Yeah, he's really hated this car recently.
• 36:01
  On the radio nonstop complaining about it.
• 36:04
  This car does not drive in the straights.
• 36:07
  This is the worst car.
• 36:08
  That's what makes me wonder how much work Nui
• 36:10
  is going to have to put into the 2025 car.
• 36:12
  You'd think, OK, we're going to focus on 2026 almost right out
• 36:16
  of the gate.
• 36:16
  But with how many problems they've had,
• 36:19
  if they want to compete and keep that P5 spot in constructors
• 36:24
  where it seems like nobody's touching them,
• 36:27
  you're going to have to fix that car a little bit.
• 36:29
  Yeah.
• 36:29
  Because if an Alpine V-Carb or Haas comes out
• 36:32
  strong out of the gate, maybe they're
• 36:34
  able to keep that cushion if Aston can't get it together
• 36:37
  early.
• 36:38
  I think that's a huge possibility.
• 36:39
  I don't think.
• 36:40
  And Lance right now, he's a big question mark.
• 36:43
  He is.
• 36:43
  I know we've joked about it.
• 36:45
  Every F1 fan has probably joked about it,
• 36:47
  probably since Drive to Survive came out, I'd imagine.
• 36:49
  Probably didn't help Lance's situation.
• 36:52
  But I think this is potentially finally a real possibility
• 36:57
  that they're going to have to pull him out of that car
• 37:00
  this off season, before the start of 2025.
• 37:03
  And I know, no, no way that's going to happen.
• 37:05
  That's my tin foil hat.
• 37:06
  I think they have to seriously consider it.
• 37:10
  Yeah, it's hard to believe.
• 37:11
  I don't think it's that tin foil.
• 37:13
  It's hard to believe that they would do it.
• 37:14
  It's not.
• 37:15
  Everybody's been saying that.
• 37:16
  It's hard to believe that they would do it,
• 37:17
  but it's what they need to do.
• 37:19
  Obviously, the car is not great either.
• 37:21
  They need to fix it.
• 37:22
  It's not.
• 37:22
  For sure.
• 37:23
  The stroll is not competing to the car's level.
• 37:25
  And he never really has.
• 37:27
  So you got to do something about that.
• 37:29
  I have no idea who they would pick up in his stead.
• 37:32
  But something's got to change.
• 37:35
  Valtteri Bottas.
• 37:38
  That would be cool.
• 37:38
  I want to see Bottas again.
• 37:40
  With Alonso would be interesting.
• 37:42
  Super interesting.
• 37:43
  Yeah.
• 37:44
  I don't think Nui is going to be their fix until at least 2026.
• 37:50
  If not beyond.
• 37:51
  If not beyond.
• 37:52
  I don't think he built Roman a day
• 37:54
  when he worked on the Red Bull.
• 37:56
  I think it's going to take a while.
• 37:58
  You could have.
• 37:59
  For sure.
• 38:00
  Totally.
• 38:01
  I believe you.
• 38:01
  I complete races on the game.
• 38:03
  You complete them?
• 38:04
  Yeah.
• 38:05
  You know what?
• 38:06
  I forgot I was talking to a professional.
• 38:07
  That's my bad.
• 38:08
  I didn't mention the difficulty.
• 38:10
  I was just saying I completed them.
• 38:12
  Moving on.
• 38:12
  Kick, let's see.
• 38:15
  You said super strong quality for Bottas starting the race
• 38:17
  in ninth, vying for his first points of the season.
• 38:20
  Yeah, that was tough to watch.
• 38:21
  We were really open.
• 38:22
  What happened on his lockup?
• 38:24
  I don't know.
• 38:25
  That was so weird.
• 38:25
  That was a crazy lockup.
• 38:26
  That was a little later in the race.
• 38:28
  He locked up and just fully went to the side of K-Meg.
• 38:31
  Yeah.
• 38:31
  He hit K-Meg, spun him around.
• 38:34
  Which K-Meg got back out on the track.
• 38:36
  Yeah.
• 38:37
  Bottas pulled a K-Meg on K-Meg in his last race.
• 38:40
  But potentially both of their last races or their finish,
• 38:43
  we don't know.
• 38:44
  We might not see another Bottas-Buck calendar.
• 38:47
  We might not see K-Meg on the grid again.
• 38:49
  No, don't say that.
• 38:49
  Bottas love hobbies.
• 38:50
  The calendars would keep coming up.
• 38:51
  Bottas likes having a hobby.
• 38:53
  He likes doing that stuff.
• 38:54
  If you don't know what I'm talking about,
• 38:56
  please go look it up.
• 38:57
  Google it.
• 38:57
  It's pretty hilarious.
• 39:00
  But yeah, no.
• 39:01
  And then obviously Joe.
• 39:03
  We saw him do some donuts.
• 39:04
  We did see him do some donuts.
• 39:06
  He did it not in front of any fans and away from cameras,
• 39:09
  but he did them.
• 39:10
  That's OK.
• 39:10
  Yeah.
• 39:10
  That's OK.
• 39:11
  I think.
• 39:11
  He did it for him.
• 39:13
  I think so, because he doesn't have a seat right now, right?
• 39:17
  I could be wrong.
• 39:18
  No, he definitely doesn't have a seat.
• 39:20
  I think he's staying within the motorsport maybe.
• 39:23
  I think we see his return at some point.
• 39:26
  I think he will be given another opportunity.
• 39:28
  And it's more.
• 39:29
  I'm hoping he gets a reserve, at least.
• 39:30
  And it's more along the lines of what you've mentioned
• 39:32
  is the money, unfortunately.
• 39:34
  But it's a factor.
• 39:36
  And actually, going back on a video that Kev sent me today,
• 39:39
  did he send you the one?
• 39:41
  Was it an F2 driver, Kev, I believe,
• 39:43
  that that guy was interviewing from India?
• 39:47
  And he's like, I can't remember who it was, though.
• 39:50
  Gosh, I can't remember his name.
• 39:51
  But his third factor was like, oh, it's totally a factor
• 39:55
  that I'm from India.
• 39:56
  I mean, straight up, because F1's a business.
• 40:00
  And they just want to keep growing that money.
• 40:03
  Absolutely.
• 40:03
  Yeah, they want to grow the sport everywhere.
• 40:05
  That's why I think we're not done seeing Joe yet.
• 40:08
  I hope not.
• 40:09
  I don't think he got a fair shot.
• 40:11
  He didn't.
• 40:12
  The car wasn't great.
• 40:13
  And he had some moments in the not great car.
• 40:17
  He had a few moments.
• 40:18
  Overall, it was not compelling enough to keep him anywhere,
• 40:22
  I guess.
• 40:22
  But it's hard for me to say how much was the car
• 40:26
  and how much was him.
• 40:27
  Do you like the Williams car over the kick car, though?
• 40:30
  In what way, do you think?
• 40:32
  Do you think the Williams car will outperform the kick car
• 40:34
  next year?
• 40:35
  Oh, yeah.
• 40:36
  Yeah.
• 40:36
  Not talking drivers, not talking drivers, just the cars.
• 40:41
  Next year.
• 40:42
  Yes.
• 40:44
  OK.
• 40:44
  So what did Joe win?
• 40:45
  They have Hulkenberg.
• 40:46
  And who else is going to kick?
• 40:53
  Oh, man.
• 40:55
  We'll think about it.
• 40:57
  We've talked about suits so much this year.
• 40:59
  Williams has signs now.
• 41:02
  They have Albon.
• 41:05
  We don't have a rookie going to kick, do we?
• 41:06
  No.
• 41:07
  Hold on.
• 41:08
  Stand by.
• 41:08
  I'm going to figure this out.
• 41:11
  In general, if the car is anything like it was this year,
• 41:15
  there's no way the Williams gets outperformed by it.
• 41:17
  It doesn't matter who's driving what car.
• 41:19
  I think Albon's been with Williams long enough
• 41:21
  to know how the car works to be able to drive it.
• 41:23
  And signs is a competent enough driver.
• 41:26
  Bortoletto.
• 41:27
  So it is a rookie.
• 41:28
  Bortoletto.
• 41:29
  Yeah, that's right.
• 41:29
  That's why it didn't come to me.
• 41:33
  So with that being said.
• 41:34
  Any sign of multi-year deal?
• 41:34
  Hulkenberg's the only one that's going
• 41:36
  to be able to score decent points right out of the gate.
• 41:38
  And that's if the car is good.
• 41:40
  Meanwhile, you have two really good drivers in the Williams.
• 41:43
  Do they, does Kick, that's probably a slap in the face.
• 41:46
  But does Kick keep Joe on as their reserve?
• 41:49
  Would you want to stay on and be like, you know,
• 41:52
  even though, like you said, didn't necessarily
• 41:55
  get a full fair shot.
• 41:56
  If I was an F1 driver, if they had asked me to go to reserve
• 42:03
  or go to a different motorsport, I'm
• 42:04
  probably going to reserve, right?
• 42:06
  I mean, it's the pinnacle sport.
• 42:07
  If you, especially if you've worked up
• 42:09
  to this point your entire life, you want that chance.
• 42:13
  Like what if.
• 42:14
  And who's to say like other teams aren't talking to you
• 42:16
  on the race weekends.
• 42:17
  You know, just keeping those conversations going.
• 42:19
  Yeah.
• 42:20
  Unless that's considered tampering enough one.
• 42:22
  I don't know how that works.
• 42:23
  But I'd imagine you can talk freely to other teams
• 42:26
  out in the open.
• 42:28
  So Joe's going to be Ferrari's reserve driver for 2025.
• 42:32
  I like that.
• 42:33
  He's expected to be.
• 42:34
  I don't think it's been.
• 42:35
  I don't think it has been confirmed yet.
• 42:36
  I hope he gets that.
• 42:37
  That would be interesting.
• 42:37
  Why not?
• 42:38
  You know?
• 42:39
  That's interesting.
• 42:39
  That's an interesting opportunity for him.
• 42:41
  And he's got a really great opportunity
• 42:43
  to learn from two really great drivers.
• 42:45
  One of them obviously a multi-time WDC champion.
• 42:49
  So interesting.
• 42:50
  Interesting.
• 42:51
  Yeah.
• 42:52
  All right, enough about kick.
• 42:53
  No offense.
• 42:54
  Haas.
• 42:55
  Mike, where are you, buddy?
• 42:57
  Not crickets.
• 42:58
  Haas.
• 43:00
  Hard really to say much about Haas.
• 43:03
  They had a race and they raced it.
• 43:05
  Hulkenberg got some points.
• 43:06
  I hope you're doing that because Mike's your friend.
• 43:09
  Of course.
• 43:10
  Hulkenberg, he started behind Gastly.
• 43:13
  He finished behind Gastly, I think one place.
• 43:15
  So he raced a consistent race.
• 43:17
  K-Mag did get into some trouble in some areas.
• 43:20
  But I don't think most of it was his fault.
• 43:22
  So I'm just trying to see if he picked up any penalties.
• 43:25
  I don't think he did.
• 43:26
  No, he didn't.
• 43:26
  So they had a race.
• 43:28
  They raced it.
• 43:29
  It was as much as they could do.
• 43:30
  I was definitely hoping.
• 43:31
  Going into the weekend, because Doohan was taking over
• 43:35
  Ocon, I was like, there's a possibility, man.
• 43:38
  Haas could take this.
• 43:40
  But it just wasn't in the cards.
• 43:42
  Sorry, I just thought of something ridiculous.
• 43:44
  What?
• 43:45
  Nothing.
• 43:46
  I was like, man, it's sad that K-Mag is done.
• 43:49
  He's just kind of a gritty driver.
• 43:51
  And then I put the title of grinder on him.
• 43:53
  And then I was like, oh, sometimes he grinds too hard,
• 43:56
  or too much with other people.
• 43:58
  And I'm like, ah, that's not really what I wanted to go with.
• 44:00
  But you know what I mean.
• 44:01
  Sometimes he gets a little too close to people.
• 44:03
  Sure.
• 44:04
  Yeah.
• 44:05
  No, his swan song getting spun out by Boatoss,
• 44:09
  but it is what it is.
• 44:11
  Hulkenberg, though, great season for him.
• 44:15
  Really interested to see what he does in that kick car.
• 44:18
  I don't think it'll be any better than what Haas can
• 44:21
  give him, to be honest.
• 44:23
  Yeah, I mean, if it was anything like this year,
• 44:26
  there's no way.
• 44:27
  And obviously, having Bierman and Ocon in there next year
• 44:31
  is Ocon the right driver to have next to Bierman?
• 44:37
  So he's a veteran at this point.
• 44:41
  A veteran at this point.
• 44:42
  He put that in air quotes.
• 44:43
  But I mean, by definition, I think he would be.
• 44:47
  It's good to have.
• 44:48
  I don't know, man.
• 44:50
  Ocon's so hit or miss all the time.
• 44:53
  I know.
• 44:53
  So it's hard to say.
• 44:56
  Is he the best person to be teaching a young driver?
• 45:00
  Definitely not.
• 45:01
  I mean, he's still young himself, even.
• 45:04
  But he's there.
• 45:06
  He knows how to drive the car.
• 45:07
  He can give off some tips.
• 45:08
  I, unfortunately, think it's probably
• 45:10
  just going to be them driving their own race most of the time.
• 45:13
  For sure.
• 45:13
  Yep, for sure.
• 45:14
  So that's kind of how I see it going.
• 45:17
  I just looked it up because I was curious.
• 45:19
  Hulkenberg's still kind of in the game.
• 45:21
  K-Mag's getting booted out.
• 45:22
  Hulk is five years older than K-Mag.
• 45:24
  I didn't realize the age.
• 45:25
  I thought they were both really close in age.
• 45:28
  But Hulk's 37.
• 45:30
  That's crazy.
• 45:31
  For Hulk to have the career he's had so far, which has been.
• 45:34
  And beat out a couple other drivers for a seat that's open
• 45:37
  is interesting.
• 45:38
  He's been relatively not phenomenal.
• 45:41
  I love Hulk.
• 45:42
  Don't get me wrong.
• 45:44
  He hasn't done anything crazy amazing
• 45:46
  since he first started.
• 45:48
  So it's 37 and still going.
• 45:51
  Still competing.
• 45:52
  He gets that Audi money next year, 2026.
• 45:55
  That's fun.
• 45:55
  I am curious to see how that whole situation goes.
• 45:58
  They probably won't come out of the gate swinging.
• 45:59
  But hey, you know.
• 46:00
  Well, they won't.
• 46:01
  Same with Cadillac.
• 46:02
  They won't.
• 46:03
  Yeah, probably not.
• 46:04
  But is Cadillac set to join 2026, though?
• 46:06
  Or are they later?
• 46:07
  Can't remember.
• 46:08
  I'll look it up.
• 46:09
  I think it might be 2026.
• 46:10
  Let's go on to the next team, though.
• 46:12
  Racing Bulls.
• 46:13
  We've already really talked about the Racing Bulls
• 46:15
  and their situation.
• 46:17
  They should be a little bit disappointed,
• 46:18
  I think, with the way their season ended.
• 46:24
  I don't know.
• 46:24
  Bad.
• 46:25
  Yeah.
• 46:25
  Just bad.
• 46:26
  Liam, no.
• 46:27
  Bad.
• 46:28
  Liam, no.
• 46:30
  Stop doing your best Logan.
• 46:32
  Yeah.
• 46:33
  You know what I mean?
• 46:33
  He picked up a penalty.
• 46:34
  He picked a stop and go.
• 46:36
  So this is, we're getting to penalties in a second.
• 46:38
  He picked up a 10 second stop and go penalty
• 46:40
  for an unsafe release from the pit lane.
• 46:43
  Was he the car that did not have his tires on all the way?
• 46:49
  Who?
• 46:50
  Am I thinking of a different?
• 46:52
  Didn't someone leave the pit lane
• 46:53
  without one of their tires being tightened on all the way?
• 46:56
  God, that does sound vaguely.
• 46:58
  And I do think it was a blue car.
• 47:00
  That does sound right.
• 47:01
  It could have been.
• 47:02
  Oh, yeah.
• 47:03
  I guess, yeah.
• 47:03
  Yeah, Racing Bulls.
• 47:04
  Blueish.
• 47:05
  Fleece.
• 47:06
  Abu Dhabi.
• 47:07
  Yeah, I think one of the, yeah, the front left.
• 47:09
  So literally, no joke, they slotted the wheel on
• 47:14
  and they did not wheel gun it.
• 47:16
  And he went off.
• 47:17
  I don't know how.
• 47:19
  I don't know how the wheel stayed on, but it did.
• 47:22
  So he got a 10 second stop and go for that.
• 47:24
  So he had a pit to fix it.
• 47:26
  And then he got a 10 second stop and go.
• 47:28
  There's one fricking nut.
• 47:30
  They just didn't do it.
• 47:31
  They just did not.
• 47:32
  They did not do it.
• 47:33
  I don't know why.
• 47:34
  One.
• 47:34
  Just put it on.
• 47:35
  Whoop, up, up.
• 47:36
  Good to go.
• 47:37
  It was shocking to say the least.
• 47:39
  It was the first time I've seen that in a long while.
• 47:43
  I've never seen that.
• 47:44
  I've seen Haas do it.
• 47:45
  We've seen Haas do it in DTS before.
• 47:47
  Yeah, because they were cross-sorting it.
• 47:49
  Now, they did use the wheel gun, at least.
• 47:51
  But yeah, I've seen a Haas wheel just fall off.
• 47:54
  Well, yeah.
• 47:55
  But you're talking a couple years ago, though, right?
• 47:58
  I mean, yeah, they started DTS.
• 48:00
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:01
  OK.
• 48:02
  So yeah, unfortunately, Lawson picks up the penalty.
• 48:05
  Not his fault, though, to be fair.
• 48:07
  That's his team's fault, right?
• 48:10
  Well, yeah, that, yes.
• 48:11
  But the rest of the race, yeah, you're right.
• 48:13
  Not very.
• 48:13
  The rest of the race, the last few races, honestly, just,
• 48:16
  I don't know.
• 48:17
  I think he had one solid race in the last four.
• 48:20
  Which was not a super good way to end the season for him.
• 48:22
  Oh, yeah, and then he unfortunately
• 48:23
  retires at the end of it.
• 48:24
  Yeah, just a tough race.
• 48:26
  And then Yuki was not really anything to watch, I guess,
• 48:30
  unfortunately.
• 48:30
  No, no.
• 48:31
  But I think he does have the edge in that Red Bull seat
• 48:33
  next year, if it is indeed.
• 48:34
  Yuki or Liam?
• 48:35
  Yuki, if and it is indeed.
• 48:37
  We think that.
• 48:37
  But I know.
• 48:38
  The commentators know something else, apparently.
• 48:40
  Why?
• 48:40
  I don't get it.
• 48:41
  Would Liam have dirt on Horner?
• 48:42
  And they just don't want it to get out?
• 48:44
  More dirt?
• 48:45
  More dirt?
• 48:46
  I forgot Horner had that whole thing.
• 48:47
  There's that reasoning I said earlier in the episode,
• 48:51
  where they know what you can do.
• 48:53
  They don't know what Liam can do.
• 48:54
  So they want to go with the unknown.
• 48:55
  There's also a darker, more icky reason
• 49:00
  that involves Helmut that I don't really want to get into.
• 49:04
  Well, you can't say that and not say it now.
• 49:06
  I mean, Helmut, he's part of the older generation.
• 49:12
  OK.
• 49:14
  So he doesn't like certain people for certain reasons.
• 49:17
  OK.
• 49:19
  So that's why they're thinking that Liam would get it over
• 49:22
  Yuki?
• 49:22
  I don't think that's the main reason.
• 49:24
  But it's happened before with Helmut, I think.
• 49:28
  I mean, maybe that is why Liam's so sought after right now.
• 49:32
  People think he's racist.
• 49:33
  That's what I've been trying to say.
• 49:34
  Yeah, no, no.
• 49:35
  I got you.
• 49:35
  I realize it was OK to say that.
• 49:37
  Why am I trying to save him?
• 49:39
  He's not a good guy.
• 49:40
  I can just say it.
• 49:41
  Yeah, no.
• 49:42
  You're not a fan of him.
• 49:43
  I would like to think that that's not the case.
• 49:46
  But you're right.
• 49:47
  My other reasons seem so out of this world.
• 49:50
  I just don't know why they would pick Liam over Yuki.
• 49:52
  It doesn't make sense.
• 49:53
  Yeah, no, I agree.
• 49:54
  Yuki over Liam here at Banter with the Boys all day.
• 49:57
  Williams, before we close out here of our Grand Prix.
• 50:02
  I don't know.
• 50:03
  Not a lot to say about Williams either,
• 50:04
  other than the fact that they have two pretty experienced
• 50:07
  drivers coming back for him next season.
• 50:10
  Yeah.
• 50:10
  I think that could be fun for them.
• 50:12
  I think I'd like to see them compete
• 50:15
  with the likes of Alpine, Haas, and who's the other one?
• 50:19
  Vicar, like that little grouping that ended the season.
• 50:22
  I'd like to see them compete in that group next year.
• 50:26
  But will they?
• 50:27
  I don't understand what's going on there.
• 50:30
  Just their history.
• 50:31
  They seriously need a solid bounce back season.
• 50:34
  Where did they finish?
• 50:35
  It's on WDC right now.
• 50:37
  But I'm looking at the bottom.
• 50:40
  They finished in ninth.
• 50:42
  So they finished ahead of Keck, which is not hard to do.
• 50:45
  And they finished well behind Vicar.
• 50:47
  Yeah, see, that's a disappointment for me.
• 50:49
  Pretty big disappointment.
• 50:50
  I feel like every year we hear people saying,
• 50:52
  they have a comeback.
• 50:53
  They don't obviously win races, but they have a comeback.
• 50:55
  We should see them higher up.
• 50:57
  They get overhyped a little bit.
• 50:58
  But I wonder if last season, I feel
• 51:01
  like they had more points than they did this season.
• 51:03
  I can check really quickly.
• 51:04
  That should be pretty easy to look at.
• 51:06
  Last season, they finished in, hello, computer.
• 51:10
  They finished in, oh yeah, seventh with 28 points.
• 51:13
  So only like nine more points, really.
• 51:15
  But where they're finishing, that
• 51:18
  could be nine more races that they finished in points.
• 51:22
  Or nine more races that they actually
• 51:24
  felt like they were accomplishing something.
• 51:26
  And they're sponsors.
• 51:27
  At some point, you got to start producing something.
• 51:31
  But I mean, landing Carlos Sainz is probably the biggest thing
• 51:34
  you could have done for Williams.
• 51:36
  Yeah, I will admit, having Logan early on the season
• 51:39
  definitely didn't help the car whatsoever.
• 51:42
  Having Franco later in the season.
• 51:44
  Yo, that's a problem.
• 51:46
  That's a problem for Franco.
• 51:47
  That's not a good look.
• 51:49
  Yeah, I don't think it's his.
• 51:50
  I think we're going to see him again.
• 51:51
  We will.
• 51:51
  Isn't he a reserve driver next year?
• 51:53
  Probably.
• 51:54
  I don't know exactly.
• 51:55
  But probably.
• 51:57
  But yeah, he didn't end the season amazing.
• 51:59
  He did get crashed out.
• 52:00
  And he did have to retire at the end of this race, which
• 52:02
  I don't think was really his fault.
• 52:03
  But overall, he was really good the first stint that he had.
• 52:09
  And then near the end, he just started making mistakes.
• 52:11
  Teetering, and it started getting more consistent,
• 52:13
  the mistakes.
• 52:13
  Yeah, unfortunately.
• 52:15
  I'd put Joe in the car over him all day right now.
• 52:17
  Dang, yeah.
• 52:18
  100%.
• 52:19
  I think you're probably.
• 52:19
  I mean, yeah, no, you're right.
• 52:20
  Joe at least won't crash it.
• 52:22
  Let's say an Aston, right?
• 52:23
  Mid-tier car.
• 52:24
  Aston.
• 52:25
  I'm putting Joe in there over who the heck we're talking about.
• 52:29
  Franco.
• 52:29
  Franco, there we go.
• 52:30
  Yeah, no, he won't crash it.
• 52:31
  So you're totally right.
• 52:32
  Too many names.
• 52:33
  We can hope that Williams won't have to spend so much next year
• 52:36
  on broken cars.
• 52:37
  So hopefully, and that probably hindered them
• 52:40
  a lot this season.
• 52:41
  So hopefully, they can make a step up.
• 52:43
  100%.
• 52:44
  We don't really need to do the final standings.
• 52:47
  Maybe just hit the top three for constructors and drivers,
• 52:50
  which we already really know.
• 52:51
  I mean, constructors being what?
• 52:53
  McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull.
• 52:54
  Yep.
• 52:55
  McLaren, Ferrari, and Red Bull.
• 52:58
  McLaren with 666 points.
• 53:01
  Pretty cool.
• 53:01
  Oh, boy.
• 53:03
  Mark of the beast.
• 53:04
  So they're going to win 2025, too.
• 53:06
  They're going to run the sport now.
• 53:07
  Oh, maybe.
• 53:08
  Hey, Ferrari with 652 and then Red Bull at 589.
• 53:13
  Those were the only three that were ever competing.
• 53:15
  That's a steep drop to Red Bull even.
• 53:17
  It is definitely a steep drop.
• 53:18
  I mean, you had Checo.
• 53:19
  There was just, you know.
• 53:19
  Yeah, that's unreal.
• 53:21
  And then we had Mercedes at 568.
• 53:23
  468, sorry.
• 53:25
  And then we get down to under 100 with the rest of the team.
• 53:27
  Aston, Alpine, Haas, V-Carb.
• 53:30
  I mean, Haas finishing above V-Carb is great for them, too.
• 53:32
  That's great.
• 53:34
  They definitely wish they would have beat Alpine, though.
• 53:36
  Guaranteed.
• 53:36
  Definitely.
• 53:37
  And then in terms of drivers, Max obviously taking it.
• 53:40
  Lando getting second, Charles in third.
• 53:43
  Probably, like honestly, if you asked me earlier in the season,
• 53:46
  that's probably the top three I would have given you, more or less.
• 53:48
  I might have put in Checo because I wasn't sure how fast the Red
• 53:51
  Bull was.
• 53:52
  Well, or how fast Checo was going to be in a Red Bull, I guess.
• 53:56
  I don't.
• 53:56
  Yeah, and maybe I do have late 2025 season brain, or 2024 season
• 54:01
  brain.
• 54:02
  Dang, you jumped a year.
• 54:03
  I'm, yeah.
• 54:05
  Who's four and five in WBC?
• 54:06
  We have Oscar in fourth.
• 54:08
  Oscar.
• 54:08
  Wow.
• 54:09
  Beating out Carlos by two points.
• 54:11
  Wow.
• 54:12
  Think about it.
• 54:12
  If Oscar did not get, no, he still would have won by one point.
• 54:16
  Never mind.
• 54:18
  If he didn't spin out.
• 54:20
  I was going to say, if he didn't score in this last race,
• 54:23
  Carlos would have had it, but no.
• 54:24
  So Oscar in fourth.
• 54:25
  Beating out Carlos, though.
• 54:27
  That's interesting.
• 54:27
  Beating out Carlos.
• 54:28
  And then we have George and then Lewis, and then Sergio in eighth.
• 54:32
  And then we kind of get down to under 100
• 54:34
  with Fernando, Pierre, Nico, Yuki, Lance, Esteban.
• 54:37
  I've never seen 24 drivers on this record before.
• 54:41
  Yeah, that's kind of fun.
• 54:42
  And last, Jack Duann.
• 54:43
  That was the only one in one race, obviously.
• 54:46
  Second to last, Logan Sargent.
• 54:47
  He had a whole half season.
• 54:49
  Right where he belongs.
• 54:51
  And then 22nd, unfortunately, Boatoss.
• 54:53
  That sucks.
• 54:54
  That's rough.
• 54:55
  That's, hey.
• 54:56
  Sorry, Boatoss.
• 54:56
  Hey, that's rough.
• 54:57
  We'll see him.
• 54:57
  We'll see him in the Cadillac.
• 55:00
  Speaking of, Kev, let's head right to our news.
• 55:04
  And then to start off our news, Ferrari confirms an engine deal
• 55:19
  with Cadillac, which I think we already knew
• 55:21
  was coming for the first two years.
• 55:22
  And then Cadillac's going to produce their own.
• 55:25
  Might not even be till 2027, I think, that Cadillac brings.
• 55:28
  That sounds right.
• 55:29
  I think.
• 55:29
  It's something like that.
• 55:31
  That Cadillac will bring their own power unit.
• 55:34
  This was interesting.
• 55:35
  Oh, do you have something on Cadillac?
• 55:36
  No, no.
• 55:37
  I was just going to copy you.
• 55:39
  It was pretty interesting.
• 55:40
  I would have thought that maybe Merck.
• 55:43
  I was thinking for a second that, hey,
• 55:45
  maybe Ford gives them their engine.
• 55:46
  But I don't think Cadillac would do that.
• 55:48
  Why?
• 55:49
  Yeah.
• 55:49
  They're going to make their own.
• 55:50
  That's not going to happen.
• 55:53
  Andrea Stella.
• 55:55
  Andrea?
• 55:55
  Andrea?
• 55:57
  Andrea Stella?
• 55:58
  I don't know what this is.
• 55:59
  I don't know what this is.
• 56:00
  You don't know what this is?
• 56:00
  No.
• 56:01
  OK.
• 56:01
  Andrea Stella coming out with quote,
• 56:04
  he's calling poison biscuits.
• 56:05
  So he's just warning team members of McLaren
• 56:08
  that now that they've won, that there's
• 56:10
  going to be people trying to put quote, poison biscuits
• 56:14
  into everything.
• 56:15
  Not literal.
• 56:16
  I was going to say, that's metaphorically something?
• 56:17
  Yes, yes.
• 56:18
  Trying to get in between everybody
• 56:19
  or trying to steal people to other teams.
• 56:21
  He's like, our rival competitors will come in the doors now
• 56:24
  and try to coax you out and type deal.
• 56:28
  And he's like, you just need to ignore
• 56:30
  the poison biscuits, essentially.
• 56:32
  We got something good.
• 56:33
  Let's keep it going and see what happens type of deal.
• 56:36
  So it was just funny.
• 56:37
  Poison biscuits.
• 56:40
  Yeah, that's just kind of like the whole don't eat the apple
• 56:43
  from the garden.
• 56:44
  They've even kind of made this kind of deal.
• 56:46
  That's funny.
• 56:47
  And we've already kind of talked about Chacko,
• 56:49
  but he kind of admits for the first time publicly
• 56:51
  that indeed the Red Bull end is kind of near.
• 56:54
  He was outscored by Max by 285 points.
• 56:57
  Just a little bit.
• 56:59
  That's too much.
• 57:00
  Just a little bit.
• 57:01
  To be in a Red Bull seat, that's way too much.
• 57:03
  So that's a little bit.
• 57:04
  I did not see this.
• 57:05
  K-Meg going to sports car racing with BMW.
• 57:07
  That's cool.
• 57:08
  That is very cool.
• 57:08
  He's going to be driving the hypercar, the LM2,
• 57:11
  the Le Mans car, off for BMW.
• 57:13
  So every year I go to Road American Wisconsin
• 57:16
  to watch sports car, I have a new person to root for.
• 57:18
  There you go, K-Meg.
• 57:19
  Yeah, K-Meg.
• 57:20
  I actually know one of the drivers.
• 57:22
  Yeah, you never know anybody.
• 57:23
  I know Sebastian Bordeaux, but he's famously
• 57:27
  known for sports cars.
• 57:28
  So I need drives for Caddy.
• 57:30
  So yeah.
• 57:31
  I'll watch three or four MotoGP races in a year.
• 57:35
  And I'm like, I've heard of two guys.
• 57:37
  And I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are.
• 57:39
  Yeah, I watch Road America, and I watch Le Mans,
• 57:41
  and that's pretty much it.
• 57:42
  So it'll be nice to see K-Meg.
• 57:43
  I'll watch the Rolex.
• 57:45
  Yes, the Rolex is good, too.
• 57:46
  And I think we're going to probably see Mick Schumacher
• 57:49
  come into Le Mans as well.
• 57:52
  That'd be a great win.
• 57:53
  I think they did that last year.
• 57:55
  De Vries was racing Le Mans last year.
• 57:57
  So we'll see F1 drivers pop in.
• 57:58
  For sure.
• 57:59
  It'd be so funny to see Max Strijblimmer mid-season F1.
• 58:03
  That would be crazy.
• 58:04
  I wonder if he would just straight
• 58:05
  dominate that, too.
• 58:06
  I would imagine.
• 58:06
  Man, I think he'd do good.
• 58:08
  I don't know if he would straight dominate it,
• 58:09
  because it's different classes.
• 58:12
  But I think he would do good.
• 58:14
  Yeah, it's not open wheel racing.
• 58:16
  Anyway, before we get to our post-race testing,
• 58:23
  I just was curious, because we've
• 58:25
  seen pictures being taken.
• 58:26
  We've seen reels taken by fans all season of post-race
• 58:31
  or something.
• 58:31
  They're filming a scene with Brad Pitt.
• 58:33
  He won in Abu Dhabi.
• 58:34
  Crashing.
• 58:35
  And this week, it was him on the podium.
• 58:37
  He won.
• 58:37
  And celebrating.
• 58:38
  Do you think that was just the race,
• 58:39
  or do you think he won the championship?
• 58:40
  I think he may have won the championship.
• 58:41
  He probably won the championship.
• 58:42
  That's crazy.
• 58:43
  But did you see the reel of them filming him
• 58:46
  stumbling on the track?
• 58:47
  And then he falls over like a mattress looking thing?
• 58:49
  Yeah, they have a smoke machine coming from the car.
• 58:50
  Yeah, I saw that.
• 58:51
  So anyway, my question is, do you think,
• 58:54
  this is quote me, by the way, do you think this Brad Pitt
• 58:56
  movie will be any good, LOL?
• 58:57
  No.
• 58:59
  You don't think so?
• 59:00
  I don't think it'll be good.
• 59:01
  I'm going to try watching it.
• 59:02
  I need to get Apple TV.
• 59:03
  So I'm going to try watching it.
• 59:05
  Is that where it's going to be?
• 59:06
  Is it Apple TV?
• 59:06
  Yeah, it'll be Apple TV.
• 59:06
  OK, I'm going to have to do it just for this,
• 59:08
  just to see if it's any good.
• 59:09
  I mean, they got Brad Pitt.
• 59:11
  They got Javier Bardem.
• 59:12
  So they got a little star power.
• 59:14
  But yeah, I don't think it's going to be good.
• 59:16
  Brad Pitt is older than Fernando Alonso, no?
• 59:20
  And he's out here racing in an F1 movie now?
• 59:22
  I mean, I think that's the thing of the movie.
• 59:24
  That's the point.
• 59:25
  That veteran driver.
• 59:26
  He's coming back as a veteran driver to help out the team,
• 59:29
  I think.
• 59:29
  So Lewis has another 10 years yet, probably.
• 59:31
  Maybe.
• 59:31
  We're good.
• 59:32
  He's 39, so we got a minute.
• 59:34
  It's so trippy to see who was it.
• 59:36
  Was it Russell and LeClaire on the podium with Brad Pitt,
• 59:39
  and they were celebrating with them?
• 59:40
  It was so trippy to see that.
• 59:41
  I was like, LeClaire just had a great race,
• 59:44
  and now he's doing this?
• 59:45
  And I feel like Russell and Max are like, yeah,
• 59:47
  this is kind of cool.
• 59:48
  Whatever, it's different.
• 59:49
  Season's over anyway.
• 59:50
  It's crazy.
• 59:52
  Post-race testing, just before we go to our quick wrap up
• 59:55
  here.
• 59:56
  It wasn't televised, so I don't have a lot of notes on it.
• 59:58
  I just read quick headlines.
• 1:00:00
  These could not be true, just really quick what I read.
• 1:00:03
  These could be lies is what he said.
• 1:00:04
  It could be lies.
• 1:00:05
  Charles overall the fastest.
• 1:00:07
  So Ferrari's still looking OK with whatever
• 1:00:10
  they were testing.
• 1:00:11
  And then Sainz, the fastest of the two in Williams.
• 1:00:14
  OK, interesting.
• 1:00:16
  Well, and he was fastest by like a good, well,
• 1:00:19
  I was going to say a good chunk.
• 1:00:21
  Like I said, I got headlines.
• 1:00:22
  I don't know.
• 1:00:23
  3 tenths.
• 1:00:24
  I don't know.
• 1:00:24
  I'm not even.
• 1:00:26
  This is faster than that for next year as well.
• 1:00:29
  This could be nothing.
• 1:00:30
  Just that final test.
• 1:00:31
  You know.
• 1:00:32
  Yeah, with that kept, let's head right into our wrap up here.
• 1:00:44
  And this, of course, would normally actually
• 1:00:46
  be our preview section.
• 1:00:47
  But there ain't nothing to preview right now.
• 1:00:51
  Other than off season, it's all we got so much to talk about.
• 1:00:54
  It's not even funny.
• 1:00:55
  Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Like we'd mentioned, we could talk all for hours, for hours.
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  I don't know whether people would listen to us.
• 1:01:01
  Anyway, going off topic.
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  So yeah, no race preview by Joe, period.
• 1:01:05
  The big sad, period is what I put.
• 1:01:07
  Big sad.
• 1:01:07
  I didn't have to do anything today, which was nice, I guess.
• 1:01:09
  But still, I did have to prep.
• 1:01:11
  But yeah, it just means we won't have a, I guess,
• 1:01:14
  like it would have been funny if I came with a Bahrain preview.
• 1:01:18
  That would have been, I was curious
• 1:01:20
  if you were going to come up with some random previews
• 1:01:22
  or just like two sentences about off season or something.
• 1:01:24
  Oh, I could have done like an off season preview.
• 1:01:26
  No, no.
• 1:01:27
  That would have been crazy.
• 1:01:28
  Because then there would have been high expectations.
• 1:01:30
  Maybe.
• 1:01:31
  Or like I'll say like what happened in off season
• 1:01:33
  last year or something like that.
• 1:01:34
  Oh my god, that would have been hilarious.
• 1:01:35
  Yeah, I may be able to do that next year.
• 1:01:36
  That sounds good.
• 1:01:37
  So with that, let's head to our prediction championship
• 1:01:40
  standing really quick.
• 1:01:41
  We could probably skip this, right?
• 1:01:41
  Yeah, you would wish.
• 1:01:43
  I do.
• 1:01:44
  With the events that transpired this weekend,
• 1:01:47
  we'll go from the bottom up.
• 1:01:49
  Why?
• 1:01:49
  So finishing with 37 points.
• 1:01:52
  Let's go.
• 1:01:53
  Finishing in fourth place out of four.
• 1:01:57
  And then Smeltzi, me, finishing with 38 points.
• 1:02:02
  No.
• 1:02:02
  Only one above you.
• 1:02:03
  You gained one on me.
• 1:02:04
  But you lost one on me like two weeks ago.
• 1:02:06
  Otherwise, you would have like tied me.
• 1:02:08
  That's crazy.
• 1:02:09
  That's crazy.
• 1:02:09
  And then our championship race coming down
• 1:02:13
  to the last race of the season.
• 1:02:15
  Kev's over here drum rolling.
• 1:02:17
  Thailand cold tide.
• 1:02:19
  No.
• 1:02:19
  Did they really?
• 1:02:20
  They tied at 48 points a piece.
• 1:02:22
  We do not have a tiebreaker.
• 1:02:24
  This sucks.
• 1:02:24
  We don't have a head to head.
• 1:02:25
  We don't have anything crazy.
• 1:02:27
  I guess I could have win like who got the most bonus points
• 1:02:31
  than the other.
• 1:02:32
  I did.
• 1:02:33
  Who got the bonus point question right more times.
• 1:02:35
  I did mention last week that I think one of them
• 1:02:38
  had picked their predictions.
• 1:02:40
  They kind of matched each other a little too much.
• 1:02:42
  So this could have inevitably happened.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah.
• 1:02:44
  Well, maybe we'll find a winner and then announce it.
• 1:02:46
  But I'm happy with them tying.
• 1:02:47
  Yeah, if we somehow go through it.
• 1:02:50
  Does that mean they both got first and they both got second?
• 1:02:52
  Because one of them makes me feel a little bit better.
• 1:02:53
  They both got second.
• 1:02:54
  Thank God.
• 1:02:55
  Nobody won this year.
• 1:02:56
  Nice.
• 1:02:56
  Wank, wank.
• 1:02:57
  We got to play again next year.
• 1:02:59
  You know what?
• 1:02:59
  The viewers win.
• 1:03:00
  But to them, oh yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Our listeners win.
• 1:03:02
  A little.
• 1:03:03
  First.
• 1:03:03
  Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  We retired the number one for our fans.
• 1:03:08
  So no car up here will ever win number one.
• 1:03:11
  What do you know what I mean?
• 1:03:12
  Anyway, let's see.
• 1:03:14
  OK, the last thing.
• 1:03:15
  Standout moment of the season.
• 1:03:17
  I don't know if it has to define the season for you, per se.
• 1:03:21
  But I mean, I guess that's what a standout moment would be.
• 1:03:23
  But what was a big moment for you this season?
• 1:03:26
  The moment that I think I'd probably always go back to,
• 1:03:28
  and because of the way I felt during it as well,
• 1:03:31
  was probably Miami and Lando's first win.
• 1:03:34
  Really?
• 1:03:34
  I just remember feeling sick during that entire race.
• 1:03:36
  It definitely wasn't the best race of the season.
• 1:03:38
  But it's the moment that I keep going back to, I think.
• 1:03:41
  For sure.
• 1:03:42
  Yeah.
• 1:03:42
  Fair enough.
• 1:03:43
  How about you?
• 1:03:43
  I mean, I'm not a fan of Ferrari.
• 1:03:45
  But honestly, it was Charles winning at Monaco.
• 1:03:48
  I thought that was so cool.
• 1:03:50
  I mean, finally.
• 1:03:52
  Obviously, he was just so emotional about it.
• 1:03:53
  And I just thought that was a cool moment.
• 1:03:55
  And for Ferrari, who wasn't really expecting
• 1:03:57
  to be doing too much this year, and now they ended up
• 1:04:00
  finishing P2 in Constructors, it's just insane.
• 1:04:03
  So I don't know.
• 1:04:04
  I thought that was a big moment for the season for me,
• 1:04:06
  for sure.
• 1:04:08
  Normally, we would have asked Tyler and Cole,
• 1:04:09
  but they're not here with us to hang out today.
• 1:04:12
  So maybe we'll get that and let you know.
• 1:04:14
  But man, what a season, Joe.
• 1:04:20
  We got a lot of off season coming up, though.
• 1:04:22
  We were even going to list some of our ideas.
• 1:04:24
  But we'll just wait.
• 1:04:25
  We'll just wait.
• 1:04:25
  You guys will see.
• 1:04:26
  We'll just do them.
• 1:04:26
  Yeah, you'll see them.
• 1:04:27
  Yeah, we'll just do them.
• 1:04:28
  They'll come out.
• 1:04:29
  We probably won't do an episode every single week.
• 1:04:31
  But we'll come out occasionally with some fun little F1 tidbits.
• 1:04:35
  Maybe one before Christmas.
• 1:04:37
  Otherwise, right after Christmas,
• 1:04:38
  you'll see something come back out from us for fast laps.
• 1:04:41
  OK, why not both?
• 1:04:42
  Yeah, why not both?
• 1:04:43
  So we got plenty to talk about this off season.
• 1:04:46
  If not, maybe we'll even go into some history.
• 1:04:48
  You never know.
• 1:04:49
  We could do that.
• 1:04:50
  You never know.
• 1:04:50
  But Joe will have his tin foil hat for 2025.
• 1:04:53
  I will.
• 1:04:54
  I promise.
• 1:04:54
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:56
  In the flesh.
• 1:04:57
  No, in the foil.
• 1:04:58
  Ah, whatever.
• 1:04:59
  In the foil.
• 1:04:59
  In the foil.
• 1:05:00
  Anyway, with that, thanks, Joe, for being here all season.
• 1:05:03
  Thanks, Melty, for hosting, man.
• 1:05:05
  Dude, no, I appreciate it.
• 1:05:06
  I can't wait till 2025 to be honest with you.
• 1:05:09
  So much crazy stuff is going to happen in 2025.
• 1:05:12
  All those rookies.
• 1:05:13
  We'll get after it.
• 1:05:14
  We're getting fired up again.
• 1:05:15
  Here we go.
• 1:05:16
  Kev, of course, thanks for being here all season,
• 1:05:19
  getting everything done to make this happen.
• 1:05:21
  Thank you, viewers, for everything you guys do.
• 1:05:23
  Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe,
• 1:05:25
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• 1:05:28
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• 1:05:30
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• 1:05:31
  We'll see you this off season.
• 1:05:33
  How do you know?
• 1:05:33
  See you guys.
• 1:05:34
  Peace.
• 1:05:36
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• 1:05:40
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