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Patriots Unfiltered 9/17: Steelers Preview, Locker Room/Injury Updates, Edelman/Parcells HOF Weekend · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: At the end of the game, the defense looked pretty fresh.
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  Speaker 3: I was just sitting here waiting to, like, just chime
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  Speaker 3: in with that, because some pointed out, no, no, there's
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  Speaker 1: Of a sudden asking a question at a press conference.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, is that is that? Paul I did
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  Speaker 2: a double take. The boycott is over? Boy, you said
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  Speaker 2: I thought there was a boycott. I thought there was
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  Speaker 2: In the fourth we get a kick return touchdown, a
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  Speaker 2: the wet blanket on the whole thing? Fellas, come on,
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  Speaker 2: we won.
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  Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium. It's deuced Paul Evan myself getting ready for
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  Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday. We're also getting ready for
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  Speaker 2: the Julian Edelman and Bill Parcell's Patriots Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 2: induction on Saturday. So it's a big weekend here at
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  Speaker 2: Fauls got his ninety eight point five shirt that he's
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  Speaker 4: On just a golf shirt.
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  Speaker 4: You think I never won? You think I never dug
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  Speaker 4: stuff on ninety eight point five.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So what do we got? We're gonna be Oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, we'll be going to Rabel Live when
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  Speaker 2: he starts at about twelve fifty five.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're fromon digs in the locker room today, of course,
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  Speaker 3: and I think everyone wants to know big news talk
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  Speaker 3: about he's a McCarty b expecting big news.
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  Speaker 2: I hope, I hope he agrees with her assessment. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's see. I assume that there'll be I assume
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  Speaker 2: that they'll be asking him about it in the locker room.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody will Well.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get in there with the mic and we'll get
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  Speaker 3: the we'll get the answers. We'll get the answers we
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  Speaker 3: need people. It's done the impossible. He's silenced.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, you know, this is good. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what's going on here. I thought they were broken up.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how they're back together. She says she's
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  Speaker 2: coming to all the games.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, thinks about billion butt lifts. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what's going onlicated.
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  Speaker 2: I just hope these kids can work it out all right.
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  Speaker 2: But but onto football. I was watching the Twitter today
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  Speaker 2: and one of Evans guys, Dan Orlovsky, had a very
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  Speaker 2: good breakdown of how when teams run at or away
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  Speaker 2: from Wat how much better the numbers are when they
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  Speaker 2: run away from him, Like they they average around two
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  Speaker 2: two plus yards of carry running at him in over
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  Speaker 2: six yards of carry running away from him, and teams
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  Speaker 2: and it's a good sample side out of two games,
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  Speaker 2: it's like thirteen carries at him, thirty four plus thirty
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  Speaker 2: four so carries away from him. It's not like they
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  Speaker 2: only ran a couple times away from him and had
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  Speaker 2: good results. And maybe, you know, what do you think
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  Speaker 2: about that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe even more tempting with Alex high Smith out
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  Speaker 3: with a high ankle sprain, so you know, might be rookie.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Sawyer over there playing a little bit as well.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, I feel like I'm having
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  Speaker 3: a tough time getting a beat on this on this
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  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh team. I don't know why, Like they kind of
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  Speaker 3: do what they do, and they got their guys that
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  Speaker 3: they've had.
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  Speaker 1: But injuries and I don't know, there's just something I
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  Speaker 1: can't feel.
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  Speaker 3: I can't quite put my finger on it where I
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  Speaker 3: feel like I know what team this is right now.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if that sounds weird, but maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: because my computer didn't work almost well.
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  Speaker 7: It's because they're better on paper than what they've played
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  Speaker 7: in the first two weeks.
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  Speaker 4: It is defensively, I didn't realize all those guys were out,
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  Speaker 4: to be honest with you, so I feel like I
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  Speaker 4: was really I was taking a boose no, because I
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  Speaker 4: was just like everybody else. It's like, you know, they're
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  Speaker 4: not really stopping anything. I mean, guys are throwing on them,
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  Speaker 4: guys are running on them. Two teams in two weeks
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  Speaker 4: have squed thirty points. I know some of that was
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  Speaker 4: not necessarily defense related, but then I'm reading and you
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  Speaker 4: know they're missing two guys in the secondary for both games.
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  Speaker 4: High Smith played ten plays. The other day. He was
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  Speaker 4: replaced by her Big. I think the rookie defensive lineman
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  Speaker 4: hasn't played yet Harmon, so that's like five starters that
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  Speaker 4: they haven't had for the bulk of the two games. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so now I can more readily understand why they're giving
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  Speaker 4: up so much yardage. And I was looking at the
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  Speaker 4: run stuff with Seattle and it's like Kenneth Walker dominated
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  Speaker 4: them and Zach Charboney couldn't do a thing. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 4: like how do you, like, how do you reconcile that?
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  Speaker 4: Like I think Charpertey had something like ten carries for
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  Speaker 4: fifteen yards and then Walker had like the same amount
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  Speaker 4: of carries like one hundred yards, right, yeah, like how
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  Speaker 4: does that happen?
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  Speaker 7: I was we were talking about that on Cash twent
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  Speaker 7: two because I noticed the same thing. Walker averaged eight
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  Speaker 7: yards of carry, yeah, and Sharboney couldn't do anything. But
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  Speaker 7: I think the main reason for that was is that
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  Speaker 7: they were running so much outside zone and like Sharbony
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  Speaker 7: is just a big power running back, you know that
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  Speaker 7: he wants to get downhill and run right at you,
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  Speaker 7: whereas Walker's got you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Game.
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  Speaker 7: Well that was sort of my takeaway from it, and
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  Speaker 7: not to you know, pick on Remandre after he just
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  Speaker 7: had a great game on Sunday, But Gibson and Travon
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  Speaker 7: Henderson definitely are more in the mold of a Kenneth
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  Speaker 7: Walker than than remandre Is. And you know, to Fred's
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  Speaker 7: like stat about running away from TJ. Watt, who typically
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  Speaker 7: lines up over the right side, Like if you run
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  Speaker 7: outside zone left and you get the edge on the
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  Speaker 7: left side against their backups over there on the left side,
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  Speaker 7: Like that was how Seattle ran the ball on Sunday
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  Speaker 7: with Walker. So like that's kind of been the book
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  Speaker 7: right now on on the Steelers, and kind to bring
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  Speaker 7: it back to one of Paul's shows. You week one,
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  Speaker 7: they ran away from Max Crosby the entire game and
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  Speaker 7: everybody was up in arms that they only ran it left,
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  Speaker 7: and they're and you know, they only they were predictable,
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  Speaker 7: Like they're only running it left, and now the stats
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  Speaker 7: are telling you to run away from TJ. Watt, which
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  Speaker 7: means another game where they should be only running left.
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  Speaker 4: So if they only run left on.
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  Speaker 7: Sunday, this is why it's because Watt is on the
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  Speaker 7: right side and they're trying to run away from well.
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  Speaker 2: And but then you know, it gets to that you
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  Speaker 2: know cat and mouse game where okay, the Steelers know
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  Speaker 2: what everyone else knows about that you know, you assume
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  Speaker 2: they're going to make adjustments, because when I looked at
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  Speaker 2: the tape when Orlosky was talking about it, they were,
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  Speaker 2: i mean, their defense was gearing up for the other
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  Speaker 2: team to run toward Wat Like it was like, aren't
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  Speaker 2: you going to adjust here?
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  Speaker 7: Well, because there was a strong side of the formation, right,
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  Speaker 7: they were putting the tight ends over.
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  Speaker 2: All, and then they're running against that right side of
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  Speaker 2: the formation, right, So what adjustments are Pittsburgh going to make?
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  Speaker 2: And I would imagine that it's going to declare early.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'd say there were a couple of tweets this
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  Speaker 3: morning pointing to say, you know, lamenting that Mike Tomlin
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  Speaker 3: doesn't adjust enough and does do enough with his scheme
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  Speaker 3: and just you know, kind of allows his players to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, try to make plays. And you know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: that's part of the confusion for me is when I
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  Speaker 3: see you know, Jalen Ramsey and uh, you know Watt
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  Speaker 3: and et cetera, those guys, Cameron Hayward, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: just think these guys are always going to be in
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  Speaker 3: for a dogfight. And I think I always felt that
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  Speaker 3: way generally going into the Steeler game. And then Brady,
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  Speaker 3: which is unleash an aerial assault upon them.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: That is one thing that kind of worries me, like
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  Speaker 4: their run defenses. You know, guys just talked about it.
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  Speaker 4: Cameron Hayward basically took the summer off, so maybe he's
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  Speaker 4: going to be a little bit more ready, you know,
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  Speaker 4: with a couple of games under his belt. Maybe he's
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more in shape. He made a play
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  Speaker 4: in that game that was just unbelievable individual effort on
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  Speaker 4: a fourth down that he basically created a turnoverall by himself.
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  Speaker 4: It was amazing. But maybe that might be part of
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  Speaker 4: the problem with the you know, the the problems up
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  Speaker 4: front because they usually even when they even when the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots used to shred them like they were tough.
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  Speaker 1: To run the area.
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  Speaker 4: But most part it was Brady just picking them apart
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  Speaker 4: and then doing what you said, Mike and not adjusting
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  Speaker 4: because we do what we do. Wow, right, you know,
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  Speaker 4: well it is great when he's just killing you.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it is an element of this game though. That's
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  Speaker 7: on my mind is the institutional knowledge that Josh McDaniels
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  Speaker 7: has of Mike Tomlin and the Steelers defense, and every
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  Speaker 7: time Belichick disciple coach has coached against the Steelers defense.
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  Speaker 7: The Patriots have had some success offensively, like even Mac
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  Speaker 7: Jones and Bailey Zappy had success against the Steelers, you know,
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  Speaker 7: in twenty two and twenty three. So I just I
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  Speaker 7: think that that's a big part of this. And then
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  Speaker 7: on the other side of the ball, you know, Arthur
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  Speaker 7: Smith is the coordinator for the Steelers on offense and
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  Speaker 7: that's Mike Rabel's old offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 7: So I think there's a lot of knowledge of the
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  Speaker 7: coaching staff here from a Patriots standpoint that you know,
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  Speaker 7: as we go here, I feel like that's going to
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  Speaker 7: be a real advantage for them with game planning. Is
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  Speaker 7: Rabel and and McDaniels have a lot of experience and
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  Speaker 7: they have based all of these coaches in the leagues before,
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  Speaker 7: you know, in the league before, and this is another
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  Speaker 7: one of those matchups.
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of going to do that the thing I
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  Speaker 4: was accused of yesterday. I'm going to do the e
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  Speaker 4: or thing. Oh Brabizo and three against Pittsburgh as a coach,
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  Speaker 4: because he was he was undefeated against Tua and that
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  Speaker 4: worked out. He continued, he's three and oh Now against
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  Speaker 4: Miami with you know, with Tua. So that was just
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  Speaker 4: something that I noticed this morning. He hasn't beaten Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 3: Should just point out to Jawan Bentley just signed with
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  Speaker 3: their practice squad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about that dynamic peppers and
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  Speaker 2: over there, but over under. Still on the Patriots rushing game,
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  Speaker 2: Drake May thirty eight rushing yards over under.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay under. I'm gonna say over.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say over too.
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  Speaker 7: I think they're going to play a lot of man
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  Speaker 7: coverage and try to come after. Yeah, I mean that's
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  Speaker 7: what they do. They play man to man, they blitz
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  Speaker 7: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you're going to see some design runs too.
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  Speaker 7: Oh okay, Uh, the Jets did that in week one
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  Speaker 7: and they had some success with it. I mean I
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  Speaker 7: just justin feels a different different runner than than Drake is.
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  Speaker 7: But they had some success within in week one, so
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  Speaker 7: they could do that. But watching the Seattle tape like
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  Speaker 7: it was, it was West Coast. Oh yeah, outside zone,
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  Speaker 7: outside zone boot, outside zone, outside zone boot, and the
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  Speaker 7: Steelers just could not stop it. So I just I
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  Speaker 7: don't know why you would go away from that.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's but that's the thing. That's that gets back
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  Speaker 2: to what I said before. The Steelers know that that. Well,
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  Speaker 2: if I was another team, this is what I would
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  Speaker 2: be trying to do because we haven't done well. So
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna, you know, I would imagine they're going to
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  Speaker 2: do something to rectify that. Patriots assume that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to do that, and I think you're going to get
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  Speaker 2: Drake May involved in the running game a little bit
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  Speaker 2: to just get them on their heels.
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  Speaker 4: But didn't you just tell you that that's what the
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  Speaker 4: Jets did did in Week one? But why wouldn't they
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  Speaker 4: be ready to stop.
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  Speaker 2: That because we two seattle shredded them doing something else,
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  Speaker 2: you know, which was very odd.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't want I mean, I think it's reasonable to
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  Speaker 4: suggest over that total. But because of what Evan said,
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  Speaker 4: if they're going to play a lot of man, that
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  Speaker 4: opens up some scrambles. Like last year, he had plenty
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  Speaker 4: of games that was over thirty eight yards rushing, but
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  Speaker 4: they didn't really have any design runs. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to have him design run a lot in the red
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  Speaker 4: zone or something, you know, like that's that's good, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't think I want to continue to
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  Speaker 4: do with build on what they did last week, which
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  Speaker 4: is exactly.
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  Speaker 7: What Seattle did against Pittsburgh. So like I just I
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  Speaker 7: would just stick to it.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 7: The one adjustment that I think Pittsburgh will make is
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  Speaker 7: they play a lot of single high safety coverage and
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  Speaker 7: teams are just running crossing routes against them and getting
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  Speaker 7: guys open. I would probably expect them to play a
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  Speaker 7: lot more too high in this game because they're going
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  Speaker 7: to expect the Patriots to run the crossing routes like
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  Speaker 7: Seattle and the Jets did, and so with two high
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  Speaker 7: safeties you can stay over the top of both of
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  Speaker 7: those routes. But at the same time, I just Seattle
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  Speaker 7: Klink Kubiak's air offensive coordinator Shanahan. Guy, he'd hit all
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  Speaker 7: the same notes to the Patriots hit down in Miami.
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  Speaker 7: You know, bootlegs, move the pocket, outside zone, run the
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  Speaker 7: football like it's all that. It was all the same
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  Speaker 7: sequencing that the Patriots used to beat the Dolphins. So
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  Speaker 7: until the Steelers prove that they can stop it, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know why you would necessarily go away from that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just for me, with Josh's experience and like we
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  Speaker 3: talked about, with Brady being able to carve them up
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  Speaker 3: through the air. I would be encouraging to me to
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  Speaker 3: just see Drake carve him through the air and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, opportunities present themselves. Third down, everybody's covered, he runs.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, to me, I think that's what I
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  Speaker 3: want to continue to see is just Drake in command
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  Speaker 3: and control. And like I said, we've seen these guys
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  Speaker 3: get picked apart before.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he's able to do it too.
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  Speaker 2: So move into the other side of the ball, Aaron Rodgers,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is goal number one to just hurry him
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  Speaker 2: up and get screw with his timing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I would come after Aaron Rodgers. Well, I would
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  Speaker 7: come after him like move.
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  Speaker 4: Did you just have an argument with your boy about this? No? Hey, continue?
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  Speaker 4: Then I don't know because I've heard Alex this morning
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  Speaker 4: on one of my shows.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I hear his point. But watching Aaron Rodgers
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  Speaker 7: I mentioned the pressure to saccrate yesterday, like he can't.
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  Speaker 7: His sack avoidance is totally gone. Like when he gets pressured,
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  Speaker 7: he's going down. And I don't think he wants to
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  Speaker 7: get hit. So if I'm the Patriots, I am teeing
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  Speaker 7: off and I am coming after Aaron Rodgers, and I
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  Speaker 7: am making him beat me with his legs, like, make
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  Speaker 7: him move off his spot, get him rattled. I don't
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  Speaker 7: think he's interested in sitting in the pocket and getting
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  Speaker 7: hit at this stage of his career, and I don't
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  Speaker 7: think that he can avoid it if they get pressure
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  Speaker 7: on him. So I hope fingers crossed that we see
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  Speaker 7: a certain number zero out there at practice today, because
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  Speaker 7: getting him back and being able to play man to
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  Speaker 7: man and then come after Rogers is probably the best
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  Speaker 7: formula that they can put out there. I just don't
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  Speaker 7: know if they're going to have the horses in the
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  Speaker 7: back end to do it. If Gonzales can't play.
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  Speaker 1: If if he was back, how would you use him?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, is Carlton Davis more appealing with DK a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more just because of the size or do
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  Speaker 3: you feel good about that matchup with Gonzales?
• 15:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good question, And I actually don't hate
• 15:21
  Speaker 7: Carlton Davis on DK and Marcus Jones on Calvin Austin,
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: Like I don't think that's a terrible matchup, but they
• 15:28
  Speaker 7: use so much to tight end that. Like I'd worried
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: about who's covering Friar Mooth, who's covering John Hu with
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: the tight ends where if you have Gonzo back, like
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: maybe you can use Carlton Davis in that capacity or
• 15:40
  Speaker 7: Alex Austin in that capacity, and it just kind of
• 15:42
  Speaker 7: creates that trickle down effects. Let's so I'm out like
• 15:45
  Speaker 7: the matchups because I think they would actually be okay
• 15:47
  Speaker 7: with the receivers without Gonzo, because I do think Carlton
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: Davis matches up pretty well against DK, But it's just
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: the other guys that would worry me.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: John of Smith and plan them.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's a really good question, but
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: because of Gonzales' health, I think if you were one
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: hundred percent, I'm not. I'm not weighing those two. It's
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Gonzales would be on DK metcalf for me. But it's
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: a I think it's a great point for what you
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: guys just said. It's not a terrible matchup for Carlton
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Davis with his physicality, but I would want my best
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: guy on their best guy. And as long as it's
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: not like a small little jitterbug type that maybe you
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: know presents a different kind of a matchup problem, I'll
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: tell you I do kind of expect him to be
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: at practice. I don't know if he's going to be
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: able to play Sunday. I would if I was another,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: if I was the opposing team, whenever he gets back
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: on the field, test him. I would just run nothing
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: but go ro. I would maybe even put one of
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: my secondary I would try to, like get one of
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: my secondary receivers and just run and just run them
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: on as many go routes as you could, just to
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: test it, to see how much, you know, how how
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: close to one hundred percent is he and can you
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: hold up? This is a long time.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: He would imagine it. If he's out there, he's one
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: hundred percent. Isn't that what this is all about?
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I don't think he's going to be one
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: hundred percent. If he played Sunday.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Right hard hard three practices and jump right in and
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: that it would just be good to start the clock.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Like even if he's out there today, I don't necessarily
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: all right he's playing Sunday like I I mean, I
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I forget I heard talking about it, but I mean, really,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Buffalo is kind of the target if you you know,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: you really want him to get up to full speed.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: So maybe get him back of practice this week. He's
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: him in next week. Against the Panthers and then you know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: really feel good about where he's at by the time
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: you get the Buffalo.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: So if you're the Steelers looking at the Patriots tape
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: from last week, you're saying, oh, they're having trouble matching
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: up in the middle of the field with linebackers. So
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: it was yeah, you go after that question. Maybe they
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: have the personality.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: J Warren's been sneaky good for them to start the year.
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: But he's not each in. He's not like a speed running.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Ganewell's a good scat back too, but not not that
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: way you're talking about.
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: They do you have tight ends, So tight ends are good, Yeah,
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: Johnny Friarmuth. Uh, you know, Darnel Washington's a blocking tight end.
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: He's basically a third tackle when he plays. But they
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: do have good tight ends, and you know the middle
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: of the field will now, you know, with getting Gonzo
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: back and with Davis, I think that's where it helps
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: most because you can trust those guys to cover one
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: on one on the outside and then you can flood
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: the middle of the field with bodies so you don't
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: get Robert Spulane on a chan with a bunch of
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: space in the middle of the field, So hopefully that
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: that does happen. But with like Gonzo, even if he
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: just comes back this week and plays on third down
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: and he just plays fifteen to twenty plays on third down,
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: like just to get him back in to it like
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: he had. He didn't have a training camp, he had
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: no preseason games, he did nothing all summer long, So
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: like you have to have some sort of of build
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: up to get him ready.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Is this a must win for the Steelers?
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: No?
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: No, No, I mean I mean from a certain perspective
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: of looking at Aaron Rodgers, what are you expecting out
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: of him? Like in that regard, I mean maybe like
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: this is one and done for him, right, I mean,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: he's going to be done, So every game is valuable
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: to them. They only have so much landing path to
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: work with, you know, like the Patriots You've got Drake
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: May and you know if they were to lose this one,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: you feel, right, well, we're still building something. It's like
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: time is taken for this iteration of the Steelers.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if I were a Steelers fan, that's what I
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: would be monitoring, Like is this going to be different
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: than the last two or three years? Are we going
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: to be held back by our lack of quarterback play.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and you're using these weeks to try to
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: figure that out. And one that looked like you weren't
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: going to be in week two, it was a little
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: more up and down, you know. He I mean, he
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: made some plays, but he Evan keeps saying it, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: I think it's it's worth repeating. He can't avoid any
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: kind of pressure anymore. So he used to be able
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: to be as good as anybody moving around, making throws
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: with his feet off the ground, and you just he
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: can still do all that stuff, but he's not interested
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: in moving anymore. He can't and he won't. So it's both.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: It's almost like he's like trying to show the other
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: team if you're not going too for me, I'm not
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: going to move.
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: He wants to be in the shotgun and just pick Matt.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, like pre snap, like where am I going
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: with the ball and I'm just going to get the
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: football out? And he can still drop dimes like he's
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: got great it's still got great arm talent, but that's
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: just what he does.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: But I mean, he's he's really good on I mean,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: the athletic guy good on the run, like is he
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: still like are you still concerned about him breaking the
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: pocket and making plays on the run like where he
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: used to be where? Or are you just kind of saying,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: like he can't really move, let's just send Barmore and
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Williams right up.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: In the first game last.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Year where we were thinking he couldn't move, and then
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden against us he could move all
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: over the place.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: He did. It was the one game in the two
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: year well a year of now plus two games that
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: he moved. It was, you're absolutely right. We all said
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: all those things and then he went and moved all
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: over the place.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: He used it all up against.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Us, like him and Gino Smith, And I know.
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: He can move by you know, like they do run
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: a lot of bootlegs with Arthur Smith, and like he
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: can still leg and like move by design. He's great
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: with the fakes and all that stuff. Still, but if
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: you get him under pressure, he goes down. I mean,
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: that's just he's going down thirty percent of the time
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: when he's getting pressured. It's it's a really high number.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's hope they can do that. We
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: need a home win, Patriots need a home win at
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a stadium.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: We have a little bit of breaking news.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: I want to share it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: Uh Antonio Gibson Special Teams Player of the Week.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I did, Yeah, I did.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: No good for uh Antonio when we were joking, you know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: if they lost, maybe the other punt return would.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Have gotten it. But but no good for him.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I what a what a run? Pulled away full speed
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: and uh yeah good?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I mean he had a bunch of yards too.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I guess that's kind of the
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: function of kickoff returns now where you're going to pass
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: some more kickoff. I mean, he had like one hundred
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: and seventy yards, but you know he's getting twenty five
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: yards of a clip.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: But now he's been he's been solid.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Him and Travon in the preseason hopefully continue to make plays.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I mean we talked about it a little bit. I mean,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: that's a it's a legit play now, that kickoff.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I guess you know, with the short amount of time
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: that we've had to review it, the new kickoff rule
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: is kind of good. Yeah, I mean it it has
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: increased I think I don't know the actual numbers but
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: it seems like it's increased the amount of returns.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: First, absolutely first.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Touchbacks, and at the same time, because they're not running
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: full length, it has helped with safety. I don't know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: so it's done both.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean true, there's a lot of people that
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: have pushed back on the safety part of it, but
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: you can't argue that if they wanted to get the
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: kickoff back in the game, this adjustment has worked. Yeah,
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: you know, because I want to say, it was like
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: over seventy percent seventy five plus percent returns as opposed
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: to all those touchbacks that you had last year. I've
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: been a little surprised. I thought if the returns were
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: creating problems for teams, they would just start saying, well,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: what's the difference between five yards? But just give them
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: the touchback and give them the ball. But we haven't
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: really seen it yet. Two weeks I think I haven't
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: really seen any increase in the touchbacks. I still think
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: that might happen, yeah, but I think it hasn't so far.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Teams have covered pretty well. Also, you know, I don't
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: know what the average I think everybody's starting over the
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: thirty yard line anyway.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Well, but if it's short of the thirty five, then
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: there's also that chance that you could pin them back
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: even further.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, but my point is you're risking
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: a big play and you're still get them the ball
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: over the thirty yard line. Just give them the touchback
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: right like that. I think it's been a problem. I
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: think there's been a lot of big returns.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: What's the average drive start?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good kick.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: That yeah, I mean personally, I'll dive into stats until
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: like week four, but.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: It's too But you're right for that because it's too
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: small of a sample size.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: But it's also some.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Additional pressure on the kickers to get it in the
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: landing zone. I mean, there was always that pressure in
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: getting it out of bounds and that was, you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: a big no no for the kickers. But now you
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: go from making an extra point to now you've got
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: to land the ball in the landing zone.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And and I guess because you need to be more accurate.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised we haven't seen more really high kicks to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: give your coverage team time to get there and set up.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: You can't do.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: You've seen more like chipsh It's almost that. It's almost
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: like you're pitching it on with a golf club into
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: that landing zone, which to me, gives the advantage to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the returner because the ball gets there quicker and you
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: know space.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what are we gonna say? No, what are we
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: going to say? I don't know. I want to hear it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter how high you kick it or how
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: it gets there. They can't move until he gets touched.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Oh is that right?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, they never mind.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: So that's why what teams are trying, what some kickers
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: are trying to do, is they're trying to perfect that
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: line drive that hits the ground in the landing zone
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: and then maybe gives the return. Kind of like what
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: happened to Antonio Gibson in the last late in the
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: first half, we've kind of mishandled, he babbled. It ended
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: up being irrelevant because it was the end of the half,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: but they ended up being out of bounds at the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: four yard line.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: That's what they're trying to create, some problems handling the ball,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: or if it goes in the end zone, that touchback
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: doesn't go to the thirty five, It goes to the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: twenty right, if the ball lands in the field and
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: then ends up in the end zone for a touchback,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: that doesn't go out of the thirty five. So that's
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: what the kickers are trying to do. But it's not easy. Yeah,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: it's not a normal kick for no.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I mean I kind of have to give the NFL
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: credit for you know, we were talking about all these rule
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: changes constantly, but this seems like one where yeah, you
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: got to watch the kickoffs now, it's not just yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand why they can't just have the
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: kickoff the way it normally was. Why they had to
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: do this thing, And that's why I think there's a
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: lot of people pushing back on the safety thing, and frankly,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Vrabel's one of them who doesn't necessarily see why this
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: is safer. We're exciting, no, But what I'm saying is
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: you could have the same excitement if you had the
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: touch back of the thirty five. They would stop touching
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: it back just on a regular kickoff. Yeah, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: because I think it's kind of making it a gimmick
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: play now with the everybody lined.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Up like that, Well, don't you think I And again
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I don't have the data, but the fact that it's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: not as long a run for the coverage team and
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the collisions aren't as huge, that in itself makes it
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a little safe.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know if this is not me talking, is
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: I'm just listening to some coaches that have kind of
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: pushed back on me of no, no, no, we're talking about
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: collicious We're talking concussions and collisions. They claim that this
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: doesn't really too much to their coaches. Okay, well and
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: it's not. And I'm sure it's not every coach.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I'd just be interested.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: But some coaches that push back, well, that really hasn't.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Like Mike said, you know, we're talking about a season
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: plus two weeks where the data I.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Thought that I was being a hard o for saying that,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: and I appreciate the support on that point. I really
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: don't try to like get too carried away with any
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: stats right now.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's like the whole thing with like, and
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I know part of it is reputation, but we're you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: going back to the Steelers and you're looking at it
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: and you're like, well, wow, like two teams were able
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: to really throw the ball on them, and the Jets
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: were able to run all over them. I don't think
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Seattle had as much success running as it's sort of
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, one hundred and seventeen yards, it's kind of
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: a pedestrian day running the ball. But Kenneth certainly had
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: a great day, averaging eight yards to carry. So you
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: sort of look at that and say, like, well, is
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: that what Pittsburgh is now? Are they just not going
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: to be a good defense this year or it's just
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: a tough start to the season and maybe the Jets
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: did some things that really caught him off, you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: new quarterback with a different style of play. You know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we have enough to go on.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: So heading into the week, I was thinking, you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: everybody's going to be like, this is a great defense
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: for the Patriots to be facing. Now, you know, I
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: think Pittsburgh's gonna you know, like TJ. Watt to me,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I'd be very surprised if he has a quiet day Sunday.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: He's had a pretty quiet start to the season. But
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: then I'm looking at all these guys, you know, Joey
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Porter and Deshaun Elliott haven't played yet, or I haven't
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: played much. Derek Harmon hasn't played at all, Alex Highsmith's
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: a pretty good edge linebacker. He's going to be out
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: of this game with the high ankle sprain. Maybe this
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: is going to be another week that Pittsburgh's defense struggles.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're embodying like what I said at the top
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: of like, there's just so many conflicting thoughts that I
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: have about this team in this matchup historically and based
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: on the first two weeks that I don't know, I
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: just don't feel like.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I have a good beat on it. Everything you guys.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Tell, I mean, we're a new team, really, and so
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: you know, yeah, one guy I would say after, is
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: there a new team?
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I know we mentioned him yesterday, but I'd like to
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: see Anthony Jennings active again. And I think he's a
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: useful piece against the big, physical team like this, And
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: you just seeing Jennings get out there, you're reminded that
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: he has an NFL skill set of being a really
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: tough sob on that edge, you know, and it's it's
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: just a good thing to have, especially when you never
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: know how a game is going to unfold.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You know you can count on him for that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I'm curious how it lines up if ke On White's
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: back from his illness of last week? Is Keyon White
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: take a step back or is he right back in there?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: But I really liked what I saw from anphony Jennings.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I think he'd be useful this week.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Sounds good, all right? Jack writes in about the game
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: kind of about the game. He says, to prepare for
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: the game, the PU team should play stud or stiff.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: For each of the five stealers below. Each member of
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the team must declare whether he is a stud or
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: a stiff. It must be one or the other, no
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: middle ground.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, it's a tough game.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers stiff Stiff really became Metcalf stud John Smith.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: See this is that That's exactly the guy I was
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: thinking of. I'm gonna have to say stud. But I
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: don't think he's a stud. But he's not a stiff.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe stud against our d.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: He's closer to a stud than a stiff. So I'm
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: going to go stud.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: T J Watt Stud Jalen Ramsey.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: He's getting stiffy.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: You closer to us.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: He's like the opposite of Johnny John is closer to stud.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I'd say they're both.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I would say is closer to stud than stiff. But
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: he's not a stud anymore. That's a good game though.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Coaching matchup. Do they have the edge?
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think something. I mean, I mean you
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: should like, I don't think we should be going into
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: games thinking the other team has the coaching edge anymore.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, we'll see.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, we gotta get a sa ample size under
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Vrabel and start to understand what his teams, what his
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: teams play like.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And you know, it's just like again, it's just hard
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to know what are you going to see?
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Is are rabel team's going to be consistent and pretty
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: close to getting better each week, or are they going
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: to be the kind of team that's up and down
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: and it was good last week and then this week
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: they're going to come home and maybe it isn't this.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Like I knew the point that everyone was making when
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: he was talking about, you know, Josh McDaniel's familiarity with
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh and then Rabel with Arthur Smith, but I think
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: that's kind of negated. I think obviously Tomlin has immense
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: knowledge of the Patriots, and Arthur Smith knows Rabel like
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: anything you have. Rabel to Smith. Smith has the Rabel like.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Especially on they weren't looking at it, were together like
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: looking at the Patriots defense now, Arthur Smith obviously a
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: lot of what hentime.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: So to answer your question, Freddie, I don't think that
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: the Steelers have an edge, but I don't look at
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: the Patriots having an edge either, right. I think there's
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: probably two good coaching staffs. Yeah, you know, I don't
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: think kind of like the first game of the year,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: you know, with with Pete Carroll and look at that
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: as a huge edge for the Patriots either.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, eight five five Pats five hundred is the
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: hot line podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the way
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: to email us. I'll remind everyone that at around twelve
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: fifty five we'll go to Mike Rabel Live. We'll do
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: his press conference. Good thing we did that last week
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: because there was like breaking news we found out about
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Carell Williams during that press conference. So you never know
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: what's what's gonna happen during the press conference.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: So we did hear from Rabele on Monday saying that
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Turtles will be back in a round, But it doesn't sound.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Like he's fully back back.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: He's around, but I don't know if he's resuming his
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: full duties still.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Have Zach k place Zach. Yeah, what was I about
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: to say? I forget?
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And then what did Evan go? Not sure?
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna hang for the first It's like.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Locker rooms after rape, right, So why is he leaning
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: at twelve thirty? I don't know, get in line for Diggs.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: What's going Maybe Barth the mergency or something.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because if Mike isn't until twelve giving a rush
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: to the.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Hospital, that's Cardi Cardi B alex B Cardi B. No,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure we'll find out.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, you just got it, because Mike is twelve fifty five, right, Yeah, locker.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Room one time.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: He just like ran out. I don't know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe felt like he emptied the clip of football knowledge
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: today after catch twenty two and you have nothing more
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: to say.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think that Evans ever emptied the clip before.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: All right, let's start off with Anthony and Seattle. What's up, Anthony?
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: Hey, what's up my people?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: I checked the forecast.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: It's gonna be a beautiful weekend for.
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: My first trip to Boston. It's also gonna be nice
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: in Foxborough. But Fred Hey, we're staying in Boston, so
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: obviously we're you know, we're gonna be seeing the city
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: and all that stuff on Saturday and then driving out
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: the Foxboro for the game on Sunday. But when they
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: have a vinch like that, isn't there probably a good
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: chance that they'd have them as like guests at the
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: game and maybe do a little something that at halftime.
• 32:59
  Speaker 9: I will be pretty cool to see jewels at halftime.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you will see jewels at halftime. Parcels won't be there.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: He can only be here for Saturday, but they will
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: honor Julian at halftime of the game.
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: Nice.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: So I just want to I never do this, but
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: I did want to follow up on my call from yesterday.
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: I didn't get a chance to make my point before
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: Paul jumped in there, and then I wanted to give
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: duces flowers. But hey, Paul, all I was trying to
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: say is that when Patriots fans have done that in
• 33:26
  Speaker 9: the past with the blank amount of offensive points, you
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: made a very good point that I agree with, is
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: that that's one less possession for an offense that you
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: haven't really stopped. And so the same way I thought
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: Miami scored around thirty because their offense played well. The
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: Patris scored around thirty because they're typically when your offense
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: is playing well, you know, thirty points is kind of
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: you're going to be in that thirty point or better range.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: So we can agree to disagree, but that was all
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: I was saying. We're as reduced, So as reduced, you
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: might not want these flowers because of how we're feeling
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: about the defense as a whole. And I agree, know
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: they got it, tighten it up and maybe Gonza will
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: help with that stuff. However, you know, you were on
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: this and I got this was it was cool to
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: see it come to fruition. But you know this that
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: first of all, the defensive stop to close out a game.
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: We've been looking for that stop for five you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: for five years. But I just I specifically remember when
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: uh Rabo first came and was, you know, bringing in
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: all the new faces, and you on this show said,
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: it feels like they're they're they're building a defense that
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: has the ability, uh to deliver a CounterPunch and you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: not sit back and keep everything in front and wait
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: for mistake. And yes, Miami helped out with some of
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: the down and distance situation. But the bottom line is
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: with the you know, two fourth down stops game on
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: the line, you're getting multipook pressures back interception like that
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: is the definition of delivering a counter punch to an
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: offense that's moved the ball up and down the field
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: on you all all game long. And I think I
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: think we're starting to have a little bit of that
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: fun that you were talking about a few years ago.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks Anthony, I was fun. I was fun
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: on Saturday. Yeah, I just I just wish it wasn't
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: so I think we would.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: I knew you were going to do that way I
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: could tell my.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I just it needs to be more consistent.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: And I mean we said it coming out of training
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: camp that you know, it seems like this is going
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: to be a lot of boom er busts. They're going
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: to make a big play, they're going to give up
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: a big play, and it's kind of been exactly that,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: So you know, you want them to find a middle ground,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: but at the same time make those big plays and
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: those you know, game ending plays are huge. So you
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: know that, I think that gives us a little positive
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: vibe about it all. But you know, when you look
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: at the real pressure and at all it was kind
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: of too doing what he wanted for three quarters.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: So uh, you know me, I like, I try, I
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: try to stay balanced, but.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I only scored great points.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: They did that. The bottom line is they only scored
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: twenty points, and I don't think that they played defense
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: that would you know, sort of lead you to believe
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: they were only scored in twenty But that's all they scored.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: And they were able to take advantage of the second
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: and third opportunities they got and they closed it out.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: That's why I think that, like the most exciting part
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: for me was when they've been in that situation in
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: the past, they would you know, it wouldn't matter, like
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: they would just okay, so we got to go, we
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: got to do this again, and they would just do
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: it again. Well this time, you know, guy steps out
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: of bounds, get a couple of penalties. The Patriots closed
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: it out. That's me was the big difference. You know
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: that the Patriots came through and made the plays when
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: they had to. That's why all the stuff that went
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: wrong I acknowledge. I'm not ignoring it. I'm just not
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: ready to talk about it now because it was such
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: a departure from what we've seen for three years now,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: two plus seasons, Like they couldn't get those stops against
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: the Raiders even in week one. From Week one to
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: week two, they got the stops. When the Raiders got
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: the ball back at the end of the game up
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: a score, they're throwing bombs over Carlton Davis to continue
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: the you know, chew the clock up. This week they
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: were able to stop them twice. That's that's big progress.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Listen, nothing says football season like firing up the
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: grill in the backyard and having a cookout. And the
• 37:08
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• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Starting to wind down the grassroom mowent a little bit now, Yeah,
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: starts to get cooler.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really need it, because I told you I
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: was planning on doing it last weekend and I didn't
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: now I'm like scrambling. I'm not gonna be able to
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: do it this weekend. I don't need an an. There's
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: a power right through, even if it's a little long.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: That's what you know.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: When you wait too long, then you know my mower
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: it's not an errand so I probably need to get
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: one because.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: It struggles when the grass, you know, and they said
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: by a week or two.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: And it doesn't get along to the point where I
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: can't mow it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: No, no do errate and thatch. In this fall, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: try to thatch a little bit.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I try to thatch. I haven't overseated yet, but maybe
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: next year. Don't do that. In the spring, I don't
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: do anything.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: You don't do any of that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: No, mine's all just weeds and I just mow it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: And I've just moted enough. There's nothing.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: It's nothing like when you mow it and it's like
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: maybe like twilight, you know, a little dark, not quite dark,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: but you look and you're like, yeah, I know, hunt,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I know how long looks fantastic because you don't see
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: all the little bear spots all the right, just dark
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: enough that it all looks not set.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Out on the front steps and watching them like it
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: almost like a golf course out there.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Right now, You like that like an hour after you
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: mow it, But when then you get up at like
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: ten o'clock the next morning, you're like.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Different. And yeah, all.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Right, let's go to Eddie Eddie in l A on
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the hotline. What's up Eddie.
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: Eddie's going guys? I just wanted to ask real quick.
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: I know Evan.
• 38:57
  Speaker 10: I think it was Evan that just said that, like
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: he's not really worried about Jay Warren. And obviously Devon
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: a Shen is like a different animal. He's highly explosive.
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: But I also don't know if the defense is, you know,
• 39:09
  Speaker 10: fast enough to cover the good pass catching running backs.
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: And I just don't want to see JAYL. Warren have
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: a big game because last week he did have like
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: an explosive catch that he took for like fifty yards
• 39:22
  Speaker 10: I think, and then the week before he did have
• 39:24
  Speaker 10: a receiving touchdown. So I just want to know what
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: you got. How do you guys think like you could
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: shut down Jenla Warren in the passing game. That's all
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: I got for you, guys.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks, that's a good question, and I would definitely
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: look it's the Patriots linebackers are you know, a very
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: low you've got You've got to target them. If I'm Pittsburgh,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I've got to test that out. So you know, I
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: would find a way to use John new Smith, use
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Jalen Warren and try to get them matched up. I
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: think some of it is a little bit of scheme,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: and you know, Splaine just put in tough, tough spots
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: with you know, in space. I mean, there's not a
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: lot of linebackers in the league that can man up
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: on Devin Hm. Well, he's already got a little bit
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: of ahead of steam. So you know, hopefully those guys
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: start to getting gear. I mean, I think it's critical
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: for the for the defense, and I just it's been
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: a couple of tough matchups right out of the gate.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: There's been some issues. Trying to be patient, but I'd
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: expect Steelers to target.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Him for sure. Middle of the field.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Middle of the field. Yeah, okay, let's go to Providence, Randy.
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: Hey, guys, how's it going to that?
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: So?
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I called to ask I word about Roberts Blaine.
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: I mean, through two games, his production just hasn't been
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: what you saw on Vegas and I mean I think that, like,
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: not only is the a liability and coverage, but there
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: are times that he's just almost wortting lost out there,
• 40:38
  Speaker 11: like it's just not sure where he needs to be.
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: He's kind of floating around the action but not really
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: part of it. And I wonder if you guys are
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: concerned about like his fit in this defense. And then
• 40:48
  Speaker 11: you guys were talking about Jalen Ramsey earlier, and I mean,
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: I think that he's getting a little older. He's on
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: the wrong side of thirty, but he's done playing like
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: with his air on fire. In the past couple of
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: games from Pittsburgh, if you're watching those games, well off,
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: he's hit the hard pass break up left and right. Uh,
• 41:05
  Speaker 11: he have the Garrett Wilson one that sealed the game,
• 41:07
  Speaker 11: but he had a couple more last week too, and
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: in an interception, And I just wonder, like, how you
• 41:13
  Speaker 11: think we're gonna deal with him?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I almost I mean on Spleen, I almost thought the opposite.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I wonder if he's overthinking things and just getting too
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: much in his own head and just just play, dude.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: You you're you know you're a good linebacker. You've tackled people.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Before, uh, you know, trying to force turnovers, trying to
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: you know, launch himself and then he gets to the tackle.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: We know that play I'm talking about. Uh, I we
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: go in the locker room today. He usually he's talked.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I think last Wednesday he talked To'll be curious to
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: get by his locker to hear him talk. I mean, catain,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: he should, he should talk. And somebody else pointed out
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: what I pointed out yesterday that I think was Reese
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: actually just saying. The look on Robert Splaine's face after
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: that game was not somebody who was excited about that.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: They just want a game, So I mean, don't worry
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: about the extremely upset that.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: They don't worry about the big hit, just settle.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: In and play.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Get out to his point, though, like I have noticed,
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: he seems to like out of position at times, especially
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: in the run game, you know, like he's jumping gaps
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: and picking the wrong one. And I'm not sure, you know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Obviously, I'm not privy to what the
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: calls are and what he's spoke, you know, what his
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: his job description is, but it does seem like he's
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: taking himself out of some plays as well, as some
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: of the mistackles that Mike is talking about. It's a
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: couple of games. He's obviously familiar with his defense. He's
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: played in it before. So again I'm going to go
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: back to that small sample sized thing. It hasn't been good.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to sugarcoat it. He hasn't played well. No,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: but but I know what you're saying, play than this.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on that eight chance touchdown where you know, it's
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: like he set closer to the sideline like he's kind
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: of waiting, and it's like the model of the middle
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: of the field is wide open, and you know, like
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: we talked about the that that should have been the priority.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Like I'd rather force two or to throw the out
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: than to throw just a little slant across the middle,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: easy pass and then it's a sixth.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not going to get two worked up.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know no one is more sad than
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Robertspaline about this.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: That's why I think would be interesting to hear from
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: today and see what his mindset is.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Joan into this week.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Sounds good, Cody writes in props to the first caller yesterday,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: forty minutes into the show, talking about the Dolphins game,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: He asked, so, what did you think of the game?
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Question for today? What do you think about the Steelers game?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: What we've been talking about Cody. He's been all over
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: me though, he's been writing all these nasty emails. I
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: love it about shortening the pregame, show us that you were.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Going to do that we actually did, you.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Know, he always been all over me.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: That's the one guy.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I think the our Frea game is great, you know what.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: I know. What I really like, though, is the the
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: increase of Cody is the latest of the caller on
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: cod Crime, the emailer email.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I love it for absolutely. Darius Sis Spallaine actually looks
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: like an undrafted player so far. I hope he cleans
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: it up. Yeah, I mean he we know he can
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: do it. He's so let's just yeah, just get get
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: right here.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I think it was just so surprising as he just
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: exudes such confidence, and I mean he has the stats
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: from the last couple of years. I mean, the guy's
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: all over the field making tackles, you know, so at
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: the very least I thought he'd be able to do that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: The hope for me was, alright, he's going to be
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a tackling machine.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: But is he going to be able to have the
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: tackles for loss, the passes, defense, the you know, pressures
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: and they have been using him as a pass rusher
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: a little bit, so he has he has delivered.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Some of that, but you know, the other stuff, not
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: really at all.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Yep, David writes in He's from the Philippines. Uh, this
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: is my worry about this week's game. Good Pittsburgh has
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: only been called for six penalties totaling forty one yards
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: so far this season. That's tied for the least penalties
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: called against in the entire NFL. Unfortunately, our team has
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: had twenty one penalties in two games, which is tied
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: for second worst. We really need to clean up the mistakes.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: We got away with twelve penalties against Miami in large
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: part because they also made a lot of mistakes. They
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: had ten penalties on their side, so we only were
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: two behind. Pittsburgh won't likely do that if we can
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: find a way to clean up our act and play
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: with minimum errors, and I think we have a shot.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: If we continue to shoot ourselves in the head every
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: four or five plays, we won't. So it's interesting because
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Rabel was talking about that, and he was saying that,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: you know, his metrics, his key metrics aren't the team
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: with the least amount of penalties. It's quarterback rating, it's
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: run differential, and I think one other things and turnovers.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: That's win rate, win rate.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: And then you know, and he mentioned the stat with
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: you know, he said he looked it up and teams
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: that have the more penalties, you know, win lose at
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: about fifty percent. It's I think they lose at about
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: fifty three percent, so they only win forty but it
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: is around fifty percent where those other metrics he mentioned,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: it is a big difference in win rate.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Well, when you're not the most talented team, I think
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: you can afford to live in the margins a little
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: bit more. And for a new team that you're trying
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: to instill, you know, one hand, you want them to
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: be aggressive and tough and snarly and all those things
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: that they're trying to put into this defense and you know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: and offense personality wise, but you've got to be able
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: to clean.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Up those things.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: So even if you know it's not the biggest priority obviously,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: especially being at home, help a little bit.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Too in Pittsburgh or you know, They've always been a
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: highly you know, in the past, when they were really good,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: they had a lot of penalty Yeah, you know, but
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: they were so good that could overcome it. When you're
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: a middling team or not too good, you can't afford
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: any mistake. I would just say, even the slightest off side,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: just the rails everything.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Look at the Dolphins last week.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: You know, I heard my talking about that and he said,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: you know, early in his coaching career in Tennessee, he
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: was considered himself a little bit of a playoff nazi.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Like he got he went out of his mind playoff
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: a penalty. Sorry, yes, And he went back and he looked,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: I just feel like that that is so short sighted,
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: like to suggest, well, we went back and looked at
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: the data. The team that had more penalties doesn't necessarily lose. Well, like, so,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: does that mean you should try to commit penalties?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Like, No, that's not what he's saying.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: So he has his three win rate things right. So
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: on Sunday, just out of you know, your quarterback played
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: the best game of his career and won the quarterback
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: rating battle. You were plus one in turnovers, and you
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: had double the rushing yardage. So why do we need
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: to go down to the last play of the game.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Maybe because we committed twelve penalties? Yeah, like everything is important,
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: like to see. And I know that Mike is not
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: saying penalties aren't important. I know that's not what he's saying.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: But I just thought that was a little bit of
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: a lase fair attitude to it. The penalties. I think, well,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: that's not really you know, an indicator of winning. Well, yeah,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I know, like did you play better or not? Like
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: that's usually the indicator of winning.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Knowing him, he's trying to he's probably trying to nip
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: that narrative in the bud and a week long thing
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: that you know, penalties, penalties, penalties, and he's trying to
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: but you know, I can't imagine he does. He doesn't
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: care if his team.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's what I said. I'm not suggesting that he
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: doesn't care about penalties, right, I just thought there was
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: some of the some of the explanation to me was
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: a little short sighted. That's not a good way to
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: go about business. And was that a press conference or
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: was on the I think it was on the radio.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: The radio.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: It was one of the how he talks to his
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: team about it or you know, like he'd asked a
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: question and don't.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Worry about the penalty.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, no, No, there is an element like and
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: it's not really nowadays because you can't really you can't
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: really play with an intimidating you know, nature like you
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: used to. But the Raiders that was part of their DNA, right.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: You know, we're going to commit penalties, We're gonna kind
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: of do it intentionally because we're going to try to intimidate,
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: and that's how you know we're gonna end up winning
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: games as a result. I mean, teams don't really do
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: that anymore.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the rules don't allow.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: You're gonna get kicked out if you do what they did.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Sean is in Virginia. Yeah, what's up, Sean?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: How you guys doing, Sean?
• 49:05
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's two point I want to make. Like the
• 49:07
  Speaker 12: first one is like, uh, like when I kept reirating
• 49:09
  Speaker 12: about like how the reason why the Patreparon was able
• 49:12
  Speaker 12: to replicate the success that the coach were able to
• 49:14
  Speaker 12: do against the Dolphins, I keep talking about the linebackers.
• 49:17
  Speaker 12: Libreck is not able to cover very well, move very well,
• 49:21
  Speaker 12: you know, and uh, and the safety player is not
• 49:24
  Speaker 12: as as great, so like say, it would be hard
• 49:27
  Speaker 12: for them and got like tours as far as try
• 49:30
  Speaker 12: to attack the zone. Uh and despite where he likes
• 49:33
  Speaker 12: to go in to the middle of the field. Now
• 49:34
  Speaker 12: with the second point, like the attack is that, I
• 49:36
  Speaker 12: really think they should really play Kyrie wins in this
• 49:38
  Speaker 12: game because that's certain things that I see with Jay
• 49:41
  Speaker 12: with Dylan Ramsey, like, I feel like they can attack him,
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: especially if he's playing safety in this game because he's
• 49:48
  Speaker 12: so sipping. He struggled against the shifty with our receivers, uh,
• 49:51
  Speaker 12: you know with the certain zones, just like where he
• 49:53
  Speaker 12: got beat on that touchdown on the right side by
• 49:54
  Speaker 12: that by Smith a jig. But I think one of
• 49:56
  Speaker 12: those receivers, I forget their name, but I really think
• 49:58
  Speaker 12: they should play Hie wins this game because of that.
• 50:00
  Speaker 12: That's all I wanted to say.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Sean to Shawn, Okay, yeah, all right, okay, yeah,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I hope, I hope the coaches are listening. Get him
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: out to get the game plan here right on Patriots Unfiltered.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I think they tried to take a shot to him,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: like the second play of the game where they had
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: like three tight ends and he was the only receiver
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: out and was.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: The very slow developing pass was a deep ball designed
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: for him that he got sacked.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Only guy on the route, only guy on the route.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Danny's and Daytona d.
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:36
  Speaker 13: So I just had a couple of takes for you guys.
• 50:40
  Speaker 13: I wanted to say I didn't get to call in
• 50:43
  Speaker 13: on Tuesday, but UH, I wanted to mention that I was.
• 50:49
  Speaker 13: I was pleased with the performance on Tuesday or Sunday,
• 50:54
  Speaker 13: but I did not like UH the first week's game
• 50:58
  Speaker 13: with the Raiders. I agree with everybody's take on how
• 51:01
  Speaker 13: they should have won that game, but I'm glad they
• 51:04
  Speaker 13: turned it around. There's a couple of things I wanted
• 51:06
  Speaker 13: to mention with you guys. Paul, one of one of
• 51:09
  Speaker 13: your guys from your show was talking about UH about
• 51:12
  Speaker 13: how they should have just ran it back with Gerraw
• 51:14
  Speaker 13: because the defense looks just about the same as it
• 51:16
  Speaker 13: did last year. I know there are some new guys,
• 51:19
  Speaker 13: the communication it just looks terrible. And I don't know
• 51:23
  Speaker 13: if Mike Rabel should just call plays until Terrell's back
• 51:27
  Speaker 13: or what they should do, or maybe they should bring
• 51:29
  Speaker 13: an advisor and I don't know, it doesn't look great.
• 51:32
  Speaker 12: It doesn't look good at all.
• 51:33
  Speaker 13: And then the other take, did you guys see freaking
• 51:36
  Speaker 13: Taekwon Thornton? So what is up with all these Patriots
• 51:39
  Speaker 13: players leading the Patriots? Those are the chiefs and they
• 51:42
  Speaker 13: look like real NFL players?
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Is this something?
• 51:44
  Speaker 13: Is it just a lack that we can't develop skill
• 51:47
  Speaker 13: players or like? What is that?
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: So?
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're being very many of those rank
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would say John Smith would be the
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: example of one of those guys that success he left,
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: But I mean for everyone of those, I can come
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: up with a you know, Juju who's done nothing since
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: he left.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: And Taekwony, like everything I've seen, looks like a different person.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry he's he's made some big plays for them,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: he's been just like you would think Mahomes can make
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: anybody look good. I'm going to give Mahomes the credit
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: for that rather than you know Thornton. But that's me
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: being stubborn exact. But like Nikhil Harry, like he had
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: a couple of opportunities elsewhere, did he ever look any like?
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think there are very many guys that skill
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: position guys I'm talking about that have left and gone
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: on to greener pastors and all of a sudden, But geez,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: he couldn't do anything here. Jakobe Myers did exactly what
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: he's doing with the Raiders. He did with the Patriots.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, he's one that. Yeah, I mean, he's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: done with everybody. I meant John Raiders. Yeah, I mean,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: but but.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: He was a good player here, and he's a good
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: player there.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: He was good. That's good, that's perfectly poet. I mean
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: he's he's still good.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just in.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: He's still good, right, And I mean he would have
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: been worth the money he able to paid because he
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: would have been.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: But the amount of guys who weren't good here that
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: ended up being good on other teams, that's a small,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: much smaller list.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And lately, like in the last four or five years,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: there have been some guys that have left and they've succeeded,
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: but not like the skilled guy like the wide receivers
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: is what we're talking about. Aston Barrier, I'm going to
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: be very surprised to see. Yeah, that's not only was
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: he's done nothing like Nelson, you know, Nelson Agalor I.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Mean a little bit.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: They're just like there, Like Agalore isn't any different than
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: he was in the Patriots. He's a second secondary guy.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: He's like a fourth receiver.
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: You could make an argument, well, he's on a better
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: team now, so that's why he's just like hanging on
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: in the league.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One thing I do want to push back a
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: little bit about the defense. Yes, the numbers say that
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: they're having the same problems they had last year, but
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: if I look at elements of this defense this year,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: I can see where they could be better. Yeah, and
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: not just like on paper. I mean Landry and Milton
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Williams in the middle and and Barbara being back healthy.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I think eventually you're going to see a better defense
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: than you saw last year. Now that's a low bar, right,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: but but I think you're going to see a better.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Basically turn the whole unit over.
• 54:22
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: But right now he's saying, oh, you might as well
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: have had the same defense as I think right now,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: right right, But I think you're going to see eventually
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: that this this defense gets better.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I think so, I mean, I mean it'll be better.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they I mean they have some talent now, and
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: they just have to come together and again two games
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: like to hear what they have to.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Say about it. Those guy's in the locker room.
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: So we're getting on. Uh, we're coming up to Variable
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: pretty soon. So up here we go. So I think
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: we need to go to vrabel Alex Is that right?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe not not yet?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, scribes are ready, scribes are waiting.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: The scribes are ready, but he's not there yet.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, there's a live look in from one of my shows.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what everybody wants to see, the backheads of
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: the media.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: I just want to make sure we it's I'm just
• 55:13
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's got a he's got a pretty
• 56:37
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  Speaker 4: To get to talk to. Him last night. His voice
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  Speaker 4: is all raspy. It's so funny.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Used to get yelled at uh Low and Philly.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Small note on Stevenson's two point conversion Sunday. It was
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite plays of the game, simply for
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: the offensive lines, excitement.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: After great that's a great call out, Wilson.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Bradbury and on when you moved Miami's D line to
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: another zip code and after the play the excite and
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Jared Wilson showed was contagious.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Yep, I agree, I agree. I clocked that too. It's
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: a good call out.
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It was cool to see, and you know, it's just
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  Speaker 3: you know, Jared Wilson had been on the journey with
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  Speaker 3: him a little bit, didn't know what to expect of him.
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  Speaker 3: People were very high on his athleticism, thought he was
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  Speaker 4: It's true, I thought he would be starting at center
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: and the guard.
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  Speaker 3: But it's you know, it's it's always fun to see
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: how this point, how they fit in where they're going
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: to end up. And you know, there was even a
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: period of time where people are like, is he even
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: the right guy? And you know, just to see him
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: have a kind of tough game last week and then
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: come in this week and and have that play to
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: kind of seal it off and you can just see
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: the again. For me, it's all about just building confidence
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: and building belief, and those are plays where I really
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: feel like you see it coming off the field with
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: those guys.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Let's see Matt and Wichita Kansas. If
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: you're saying we should expect a lot of man and
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of blitzing from Pittsburgh, do you think this
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: is a good game to sneak in a little Kyle Williams.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: He would likely be up against their third best pass coverage,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: and I don't think the league has really seen what
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: he can do. I think he's the best downfield threat
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: on the team, and the Patriots haven't really shown him yet.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that they tried to on that second play,
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: and I think that's just a little glimpse of you know,
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: how Josh I think, is gonna try to sneak him
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: in struggling think him back like of former draft picks
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: that made the team, and we're going to develop and
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: play and how Josh got them into the system, got
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: them experience, when they were young.
• 58:26
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Edelman is like a weird example because he kind of
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: got thrown into the mix when Woker got hurt like
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: week two, and yeah, you know, yeah, I agree, it's
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: kind of tough. So I don't know, maybe you guys,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: maybe that's something that you guys.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, McDaniels, they haven't developed a lot of I receivers.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: In a long time.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: You know, was McDaniels here from Malcolm Mitchell? Is that
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: like helped me out with my timeline. So he you know,
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: he was he was injured a little bit, but he
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: I mean he he probably contributed as much as a
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: rookie as any any of the rookie receivers did. He
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: would be one in that positive category. For the most part,
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: it's been a struggle. I mean, it's well documented they
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: haven't done well at that position. You know, we'll see
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: if it's any different with Kyle Williams. I don't really
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: I agree that he could be a good downfield option
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: for them if they're looking to stretch the field, But otherwise,
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of comfortable with sort of the three for
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: four spots that they have going, you know, and if
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: they have different game plan ideas with Mac Collins and
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: to Mario Douglas. That made perfect sense to me. Even
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: an idiot like me who's not breaking down the x's
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: and o's, I can understand what we wanted to be
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: a little bit more physical. We wanted to sort of
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: be more versatile out of you know, some of these formations,
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: and we wanted to make something look the same run pass.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: You know, with with Douglas on the field, you probably
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: pretty much know it's pass because he's not going to
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: be as you know, effective in the blocking game. So
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: with Mac Collins you might get a little bit more versatility.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: So I kind of like those three for the four spots,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: and if Kyle Williams can continue to progress and works
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: his way into that mix, I think that'd be great.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Well, waiting for Mike Rabel. It's a
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: little late, not like him usually. What's that.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: Up here?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: We go?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: Good? Yeah, so far, so good.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 14: It's been about three years since his team put together
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 14: back to back wins. How important is it in the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 14: culture what you're trying to build, you know, to get
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 14: some moments on you with streams.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 15: It's always important to win as many games as you
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 15: possibly can. There's a lot of stats here, guys that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 15: I'm not familiar with, nor am.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: I concerned with.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 15: Right the focus is, you know, trying to build some
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 15: consistency which would then lead to confidence and continue to
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 15: build on what we did and prove the things that
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 15: we have to fix, uh and then continue to eliminate
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 15: some of the things that we feel like I could
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 15: could get your beat and uh so I'm excited about
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 15: doing that today through meetings and practice and getting them
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 15: to uh, you know, get ready for a new opponent.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: Just like we did last week.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 15: We we cleared the deck and and focused on on
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 15: the next opponent.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 16: Like how is Terrell feeling and what do you expect
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 16: from him this week?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: In terms of it's.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 15: Involved, I'd say he's feeling better. I think that we'll
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 15: probably be upright and under the same premise. I mean,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 15: Terrell's around. I just you know, want to try to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 15: get some continuity and you know, with the situation probably
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 15: being fluid, you know, we'll stick to to the same
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 15: plan kind of that we had last week. I'll just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 15: be uh more involved. I just want to make sure
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 15: that we're not in and.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: Out and in and out.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 15: That's all Christian I would expect him to do some
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 15: stuff today at practice, Like.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: On Sunday Travion had revolving calls.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 15: Do you play on working with him this week with
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 15: the lecture with technique to try to minimize that happening
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 15: try namp again. Yeah, obviously, I mean, of course, and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 15: we believe, you know, in Trayvion's ability to protect him.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 15: That's one thing that we think that he can do.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 15: And I think if you ask Antonio, Antonio.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: Would probably be as much at fault as the one
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 8: on the kickoff return.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 15: I mean, I don't think you can really bounce the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 15: ball out when we're kicking somebody out by the sideline,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 15: So that one, I'll give him a pass on, you know.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 15: The other ones, we just have to make sure we
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 15: keep our head up, stay square, and be able to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 15: move our feet and not let them beat our feet
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 15: and grab them. So you know, two's too many, so
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 15: we'll just keep working on it.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: If Christian is doing stuff in practice today, does that
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: Sunday possibility for sure?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 17: Like one of the things we have to do with
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 17: talk about injuries is every we're not supposed to speculate,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 17: but everybody's speculate as us coach, you said, how long
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 17: is it gonna be? He is beating at that when
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 17: something is imagined to take a shorter time and it
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 17: takes one.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: And I remember Bill talking about this.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: We don't talk about timeline because.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: We don't over recipe around us.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 17: But is it hard for a player to not have
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 17: his injury understood by the public?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 15: I don't know, you know, I mean, I certainly nobody.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 15: I guess if everybody's looking for somebody to blame and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 15: I'm not, you know, I mean, I'm trying to just
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 15: get them back as soon as they can get back
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 15: and make sure that they're staying engaged, and then you know,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 15: we have to decide how.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: Long that's gonna be. Is a short term?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 15: I are all these different things that come into it.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 15: But but everybody wants to blame if it's not in
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 15: some window that the doctor on in twitter uh suggests
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 15: or recommends. Again, having had a numerous injuries, they all
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 15: recover differently, and bad players that have recovered, you know, differently,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 15: and it's like, well, why did one injury take this long?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 15: And is it you know, the player not working hard
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 15: to come back? Is it the trainer's fault? Is it
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 15: this person's fault. You know, I've said this. The injury
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 15: rated in professional football league is one hundred percent. If
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 15: you play this game long enough, you are guaranteed to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 15: get injured. I don't think you can avoid that. I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 15: think it's just how you handle it and you.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: Know, kind of go from there. It just doesn't help you.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Guys can put it off that how long somebody's gone to.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 15: Go, But I mean why because it could be shorter,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 15: it could be longer, and then when it doesn't meet
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 15: the timeline, then somebody's going to come back and say, well.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: You said it was going to be two weeks. I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: don't know.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 15: So instead of being wrong every single time, I choose
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 15: to just try not to say a timeline. And if
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 15: they are back in a week, then great. If it
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 15: takes a couple of weeks, and there we are, and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 15: let's go for everything.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 17: From from a player's perspective, you.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: Would hotly crap.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 17: People are starting to take a stake it to.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: One that wish I could tell people what's wrong with me.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 15: This is a big understand and and I think that
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 15: that's great in this case maybe, but then it's gonna
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 15: be the next thing and the next thing like people
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 15: are you're gonna write. You got all pads and recorders.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 15: You're gonna write whatever you want to write. They're gonna
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 15: think whatever they want to think. You know, I think
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 15: where to that end? Where would you stop? You know,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 15: where would you stop?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: When you went back and watched the film, umturious what
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: you saw like the mistackles want.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: To tackle much better.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 15: We'll have to tackle Warren John hu Metcalf Austin. You know,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 15: so that that's the focus. You know, that'll be a
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 15: critical part of this game plan. Those guys are great
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 15: with the boner hand. They run very hard, they're skilled,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 15: they're big and uh present a challenge.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers twice when you're in Tennessee. What's the challenge
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: of facing him? And is he still look like the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: save Aaron Rodgers that.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 8: You saw, man, I think the ball can go.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 15: I mean when you see him extend the play to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 15: the right and throw it down sixty yards or whatever
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 15: that was.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 8: His operation is excellent.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 15: His ability to find relief throws and plays that aren't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 15: that he doesn't think will be positive plays.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 8: He finds relief throws.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 15: You know, would be a great challenge to be able
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 15: to find ways to affect him.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 14: Follow up.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 8: What they're doing is Arthur's offense.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 17: Versus how much of this is what arg has sort
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 17: of brought with him from Green Bay to New York.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 15: And I think Arthur's done things with multiple quarterbacks. I mean,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 15: is he doing what he did with with Ritter where
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 15: they're running the zone read No, But there's also other
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 15: elements that he's done a lot of.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: And Aaron haven't played quarterback.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 15: As long as he has, gonna have things that he likes,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 15: and so I'd say it's a blend.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: I cat you have one last follow up with christ
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: Some players are getching to get back, maybe even too
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: early based on the injury.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: How does his mindset?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 15: As you know the locker room will be open in
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 15: five minutes, be able to ask him. I'm not going
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 15: to speak for his mindset. I mean that's just I mean,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 15: if you ask me about anybody's mindset right now, I'd
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 15: say you just feel free to ask them. They'll tell
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 15: you exactly what their mind's thinking.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: What have you learned about him when it.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Comes to motivation?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: And let's let's you know, everyone is wired differently.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 15: What do we really think that we can motivate really,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 15: I mean, we're trying to inspire them. I think they're
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 15: all motivated. They're professional athletes, and if they're motivated by championships,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 15: that's really great. If they're motivated in college because they
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 15: want to date the cheerleader, even better, if they're motivated
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 15: to earn a starting job, like I just think that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 15: thinking that we have to motivate them. I want to
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 15: inspire them and give them confidence and trust that they
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 15: can go out there and do their job.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 8: I think that's the.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: The player's personality.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Do you have to approach each one different way?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, we do that all the way, you know.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 15: I mean whether we're teaching them, whether we're trying to
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 15: inspire them, make a connection with them. I think you
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 15: just have to know the audience and know who they are. Again,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 15: we've talked about having differ from personalities and trying to
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 15: have one one mindset and one mentality.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 8: So you know, I think.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 15: He's personally motivated, and I think he's earning a lot
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 15: of confidence, and I think just the decisiveness and the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 15: ability to perform and seeing these things translate from the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 15: first week to the second week was was really good.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 16: You guys had some more success in the ground game
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 16: last week, but there were still some inconsistencies.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: It seemed like maybe specifically was outside z on stuff.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 16: Curious, what do you feel like you guys did better
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 16: and what can you do to improve this week with
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 16: some of those issues.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 15: We'll just have to you know, handle a front handle movement.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 15: You know, it's never going to be great, you know,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 15: almost average five yards of carry. We'll try to improve
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 15: on that and kind of keep the scheme multiple.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: You have the involved with.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: Andy Cornelis and kind of saying like never lost the
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: faith you Why was that so important to just highlight
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: him after that game.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 15: Well, we'll play a lot of rookies and you know
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 15: that one in particular. You know, when there's a missed
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 15: combination block. Other than Taylor, I don't think anybody else
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 15: is going to notice. But when you miss a kick,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 15: everybody notices. And if the receiver you know, lines up
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 15: in the wrong spot, and nobody notices if an offensive
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 15: lineman fall starts the entire stadium and everybody watching you know,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 15: so again, I just think that's a that's a job
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 15: that I wanted to recognize him going out there, and
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 15: it's a huge kick. The difference between three and six
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 15: and situations changed really quick. I'm sure in his mind
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 15: he's like, oh, we're going for it, I'm off, and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 15: then all.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 8: Of a sudden, we're kicking. So to me, that that's
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: that's pretty cool.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: Like doing a story in Zach Korr to the best
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: I can tell, when you hired him in Tennessee, all
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: of his experience was on the offensive side of the ball.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Why did you put him on defensive? Why did you
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: think he can handle that?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 15: Just because I thought his you know, we talked about
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 15: some of these trends from college, uh coming and you know,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 15: nobody watches more defense than offensive coordinators. But you know,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 15: he learned, he learned what we were doing, he brought
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 15: other ideas and then helped us, you know, bridge the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 15: gap with some of those trends that were coming from
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 15: from college and kind of what they were thinking. And
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 15: was heavily involved and did our red zone stuff in
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 15: Tennessee and and really grew exponentially as as a defensive
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 15: football coach.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 16: Like you get a lead like you did, you can
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 16: run whatever offense you want. But it seemed like the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 16: marriage can running pass was really strong. There is that
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 16: something that would just that's best for us against the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 16: Dolphins defense or something that identity.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 15: You don't have to be the same thing this week,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 15: you know what I mean, I'm going to really struggle
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 15: going forward if on Wednesdays we're reviewing the game. I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 15: mean we do that on Monday, and uh, you know,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 15: we got a tough challenge. Just you know, Pittsburgh has
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 15: got veterans, they got athletes.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: Linebackers are fast. You know TJ.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 15: Watt's going to be an issue. Her big have always
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 15: had a lot of respect for his game. Cam Hayward
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 15: will push the pocket back in the middle, and then
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 15: you never know where Jalen Ramsey's going to be a corner,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 15: He's gonna be a nickel, is going to be a safety.
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  Speaker 2: news today, A little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Christian's Alice is going to be at the practice field.
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  Speaker 4: He said, did we expect to see him out there today?
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  Speaker 1: Did he?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I thought someone says, if he's out there, would you.
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  Speaker 4: He said, expect to see we expect him to do
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  Speaker 4: some things today practice. I think he said, okay, all right.
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  Speaker 4: was if he's assuming he's out there a practice, does
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  Speaker 4: that mean that he would have a chance on Sunday?
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  Speaker 4: And he said sure, yeah. So it was a little
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  Speaker 4: disc saying there's a chance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: But last week. There was no chance last week.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's progress, progress, So let's cross our fingers because
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: we need a little bit.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: Of an edgy mic today, a little bit. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I thought he was cut off a couple of questions,
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  Speaker 4: not confrontational.
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  Speaker 2: Like per se suffering fools.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but a little leggie, A little leggie. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I like that. I like, well, he was
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  Speaker 2: He was like five minutes late. So maybe if there's
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  Speaker 2: something going on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did mention in terms of just news, just
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: catching up the news. He was asked about Terrell Williams
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: again and just I think he indicated that they would
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: kind of go with what they it's a fluid situation.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: I think he said, we'll go with what we the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: same plan that we had last week. So I would
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: expect Zach Koorr to be the defensive play caller again
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: in them to set things up the way they did
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: last week. But Williams is here. I'm not exactly sure
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: in what capacity he'll be helping out, but I.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Am I'm totally with him on his philosophy for not
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: talking about timelines for injuries.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, most coaches would agreed with that.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: I can't win. But I remember George Seaffert with the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: when he was with the Panthers, he would trot out
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: the team doctor, and the team doctor would be giving
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: you all that stuff, and I was like, what are
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: they doing over there in Carolina?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a different argument. This This seems to do that,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: like Andy Reid does that. Mike Tomlin has done that.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: But everybody heals differently, you know.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: But they don't necessarily the time, the timetable timeline is
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: not necessarily something they all get into. But they'll like
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: I've seen Mike Mike Tomlin started press conference with you know, uh,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, Joey Porter has got a hamstring, Uh,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Deshaun Elliott's dealing with a sprained MCL and uh, you know,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: Alex Highsmith's got a high ankle sprain. I've seen him
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: do that, but that falls short of it. But I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: don't back and yeah, I don't think he necessary. I mean,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: I don't watch all Pittsburgh press conferences, but I don't
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: think I don't think Mike Tomlin is then saying we
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: expect him to be out for eight weeks, right right,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: you know, But I'm just kind of pointing out that
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: it doesn't necessar. I really mean, you can't win games.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: Andy Reid and Mike Tomin have won a lot of
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: games in the NFL, and they've given a lot of
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: injury information over the years.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Darius and Louisville says, of course he's mad at me
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: because of course the defense is better. They have better players.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: But Gerrod Mayo could coach the same exact results as
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: we are seeing now. Yes, Rabel is a better coach,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: but don't blame slash credit the talent of the players
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: entirely on the coach. Did I do that?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think you did that. No, I would love to.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Jump in, and I also said the results so far,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: I can understand where somebody would say that, But it's
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: my prediction, my belief that given the players on this team,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: you will see a better defense in time than we
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: had last year. That's all I'm saying. That's all I said.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: That is all you said, and I would expect things
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: to get better too. I mean, it's been a tough
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: start to the season. I mean they're down in the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: thirties in a lot of categories. It's been a tough
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: start to the season, and they haven't exactly played, you know,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: offensive Juggernauts. Both teams that they played, as I mentioned yesterday,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: were completely shut down in their other game, especially the Raiders.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: As you can see, Deuce has gone to the locker room.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: He'll be better.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: Try to get a little sit down with some defensive players.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: And maybe you're heart to heart with Robert Splaine, because
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: I know that Deuce is hurting, and of course I
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: know Digs.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: A lot of you are on the edge of your
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: seat waiting to hear from Diggs on the latest announcement
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: by I guess his girlfriend Cardi b. I'm not sure,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: so what you just like she said they were broken up.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: She said that my boyfriend, right, but at one.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Time she took off one office into her Instagram.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think she said that they were
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: broken up. I think that there was a oh whatever
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: the public Uh yeah, you know so, but you you
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: seem to be calling into question this whole relationship.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I think it's volatile.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: Well, I absolutely think when you have famous people who
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: are often in volatile relation.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: I think I think it's entertainers, athletes.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: It's not like Drew and Mora, right, But you know,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: it's not Drew And yeah, well only one of those
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: people were famous. But I think entertainers and athletes would
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: to me kind of lend itself to.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: A volage Chris Everett volatile, you know, right, Stefanie Graff.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: And who did you go out with? Did you go
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: with Agasy?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: Andre you go out with? Or marry?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Oh they got married.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: Oh they're still married.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Those kids have made it. Those kids have made it.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: Andre Agassi originally with Brooks Shields, they were mad.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, Brooks Shields all right. Back to the phones.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: We get just like how you just I don't know.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: They saved it, like get they're together. But Fred's not
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: buying it. I'm not buying the.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Real What to believe these days? Sean's and Vancouver? What's
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: up Sean? Sean?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 19: Hey, Fred, We've got to give you props for guaranteeing
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 19: the win. That was amazing at work. I hope you
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 19: could do it some more. We need that.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: If I believe it, I'll say it. If I don't,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: then I won't.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 19: Yeah, well I'm hoping you you believe that. Coming up
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 19: soon and then we'll get some more wins. I also
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 19: wanted to ask about the Sacks that. I know the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 19: defense hasn't been playing great, had some issues, but it's early. However,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 19: the Patriots lead the league with nine sacks. Do you
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 19: think they'll get four or five against Rogers this week?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 19: And I'll leave it at that.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's okay? Thanks Shall. What's what's the average?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: I think he had four? He was sacked how many
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: times last week?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but yeah, I would expect to see
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: the sacked total continue to rise. He's a guy. I
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: think Evan's stat about the pressure rate is eye opening.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: Like that means he's getting good protection and still getting
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: sacked a lot because every time the other team gets through,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: they sack them. Yeah, they're like over thirty percent. Sack
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: rate is very high. But you know, yeah, I would
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: expect the Patriots to get at least three.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: Well, tell me how good the Patriots offense is going
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: to be, and then I'll tell you how many times
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: they're going to sack them. Because if we can get
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: out to a lead and we're forcing them to pass,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: then yeah we're gonna we're gonna be all over them.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: But if it's a close game and they can be
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: balanced Pittsburgh, then our opportunities aren't going to be.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: And that's that's a good point. Like the game script
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: often you know, helps in that regard. But I would
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: also say, does Pittsburgh's offense have any success at all
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: like running the ball, and do they stay out of
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: long yarded situations? Because I this is funny. I never
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: got to get into it with Evan, but because I
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: heard his buddy Alex this morning on on Toucher and
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: Hardy saying, you don't really want to blitz Rogers, that's
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: really playing with fire, My thought was, yes, I know
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: that he is obviously seen every every defensive coverage that
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: you're going to come up with, He's seen it. But
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think he can avoid pressure anymore. So if
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: you blitz him and you get home, you're probably gonna,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: you know, pull the plug on the play.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: And how good is his receiving core?
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think they have good enough receivers. I
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: mean DK Metcalf's a good receiver and Calvin Austin you know,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: is okay, you know, the two tight ends I think
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: are really good, and they have backs that can catch
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: the ball. I think he has options and you know,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: to throw to, but I I would go after him
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: a little bit. I wouldn't necessarily blitz like they did
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: against the Raiders in the first game where they had
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: that high of a blitz rate. But I wouldn't sit
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: back like they did for the most part against Tua either.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: I would want to get after him, and I just
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: it's interesting to me that the catch twenty two guys
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: ye have coming at this from opposite view points.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. It's it's you know, talk
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: about you know, having the feel for the league. It's
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: is so often you have to figure out is what
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: you're seeing an anomaly with Pittsburgh or is this who
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: they are and they've got problems, And when it's early
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: in the season, it's really tough to tell. Uh, you know,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: teams turn it around. Yeah, hasn't been bad, but we
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: might this might be who Pittsburgh is defensively.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: Defensively that yeah, we could just be sort of seeing
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: the beginning of the end of that defense. You know,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: a little bit older, and you know, maybe guys aren't
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: quite as good. You know, Patrick Queen's been around a while.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 8: T J.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: Watts, no, no Spring Chicken anymore, cam Heywood. So maybe
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: some of the better players are getting a little older,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: and this is the start of a decline.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, and we talk about Rogers, maybe
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: this is it for him too, because remember that last
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: year with Brady, he had a good numbers year, but
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: like he was getting hit a lot.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, Rogers, I think is done. Yeah, I mean I
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: he was terrible.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: So, like you know, we talked about last year when
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: they played US early in the season and Rogers was
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: the old Rogers.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: That was this one good game of the year is
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: a Week three or two or something week week three,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: Week three ironically the same week as this.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: And he really didn't do it after that. Maybe that
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: was his last tarade. Maybe.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: And I know we had some good statistical games, especially
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: down the stretch last year. I just don't think he
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: played very well. I know that the numbers would tell
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: you he was great. I don't think he played great
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: in those games.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, let's go to Kendall in North Carolina. Hate Kendall.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 11: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Guy?
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  Speaker 2: Hey not?
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 11: I don't really have a christ in just a statement.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 12: I'm kind of with fred Man.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 11: Can we can we finally get a home win? I know,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 11: I know, so that's all I really want. Okay, what
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 11: we have to do to win at home.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Score more points than the opposition. Uh, I'm only kidding, Kendle,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: but I hear I hear you. It's like, no, they haven't.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: We had a lot of success. I mean, they won
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: the last home game, but that kind of didn't count,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: you know, against Buffalo last year.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they absolutely didn't.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the whole home rode like they have
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: won a lot of games.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Kendall. True, true, but he've been even beyond last year,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: going back a few years.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: Our home record, but they haven't won anywhere, is what
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to say.
• 1:25:22
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  Speaker 2: So if this has been asked before my apologize, I
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: was wondering that if Gonzo misses the next game as well,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: if it wouldn't have been easier to put him on
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: IR for the first four weeks and be able to
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: elevate or being another defensive back for the time being.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Just curious now, I think if they knew that, they would.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: Well, if he let's put it this way, if he
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: didn't play against Pittsburgh and then he comes back and
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: he's sort of fifty to fifty questionable against Carolina, that's
• 1:26:51
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• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: because even if you could get him for the Carolina game,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: he's good enough player that I'll sit him out for
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: three weeks without having a guarantee that he has to
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: sit out for four you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 1:27:07
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• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: back soon and has an amazing year, would you ever
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: consider trading him due to his one injury history, only
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: four games his rookie year, sixteen last year, and now
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: his current injury. Two, his trade value may be at
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: an all time high. And three, he may want to
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: get paid a substantial amount this offseason.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: So this is funny. This is suddenly on my shows
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: yesterday it was Beatle and Zoe I think who brought
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: it up, and then Mike and Tony sort of, you know,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: piggybacked on it trading Gonzales, you know, and everybody's like, well,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: I think they asked Mike Grease. I think Beatle and
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: Zoe asked Mike Grease, would you trade Gonzales for a
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: first round pick? Mike said no, I would be interested
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: in something more along the lines of an established player.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: And what Mike and Tony brought up was aj Brown
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: in Philadelphia, who has been kind of a bit player
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: in the first couple of games for the Eagles. It's
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: only twenty eight it's not that old, so still theoretically
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: has some productive years left in him.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: We were talking.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know why Philadelphia would want to do that,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: but just play along the hypothetical here. Would you be
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: willing to do that?
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, see, we talked about I wouldn't at this point. One,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: I haven't given up on Gonzo as you know, you know,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: one of those injury play players yet, so I don't
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: think that to me, I haven't put him in that
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: category yet. Two, in my opinion, in the NFL, it's
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: a lot easier to get a really good receiver than
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: a real good cornerback. I think there are a lot
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: more good receivers in the NFL than there are shutdown corners.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: So I would We talked about this off air a
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: little bit, and I would agree with Freddy's assessment there.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: I think there are probably more elite receivers in the
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: league than there are elite corners. I don't think it's
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: much easier, but I think you're right. I would be
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: interested in that trade. I'm not sure you could get
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: aj Brown straight up for Christian Gonzales, but if that
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: you know, again we're doing hypotheticals here, I would have
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: to think about that. I think that would be the
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: kind of piece offensively that could put your passing game
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: in a different stratosphere. Yeah, I would. Now, I'm not
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: giving up on Gonzales because I'm convinced that he's an
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: injury prone guy or whatever. I'm just wondering if I
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: might find something more valuable for my team.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: Right, I don't know if there's anything more valuable other
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: than a quarterback than a true shut down corner.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: Y see, I disagree. I think there's a lot of
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: teams that win a lot of games without true shut corners.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you can do it without having,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: you know, some offensive firepower. I don't know, But I
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: mean it's it's a great it's a great argument. It's
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: a great debate. And before say, I know, I just
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: opened myself up for all kinds of criticism. I'm sure
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: there are teams that have won without you know, it's like,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: you know, the Cowboys traded Micah Parsons. Right, let's go
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: back to like this elite player getting traded thing. Did
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: you remember what happened in the immediate aftermath of the Micah
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: Parsons trade?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: You know what you don't need to win titles. You
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: know what never wins titles elite edge guys Suddenly like,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: you don't need an elite edge guy because those those
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: guys never win. And I'm like, did I like, I
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: don't care what position they played. Did the Eagles not
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: like dominate the Chiefs in the Super Bowl last year
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: with their pass rush?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't care if it came from Milton Williams
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: and in whoever, I don't care if Josh Swett isn't
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: your eyes.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald helped the Rams.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean those guys were dominant. Chris Jones was
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: dominant for the Chiefs, and they're back to back titles.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: Like again, I'm getting off track. I don't know if
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: you know who is the dominant shut down corner for
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: the Eagles last year? I don't know, because they didn't
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: really have one. They have really really good defense with
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of good players, was really good.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: You have to Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: saying you have to have a dominant shut that in
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: order to win. But if you have a dominant shutdown corner,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: it's it makes life a lot easier, it does, you know,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: because you can put them on their best guy.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: But you know what, but you know what makes it
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: a lot easier, And you're right everything you just said
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: is I agree with I just think having dominant players
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: regardless of position. But but I don't think having a
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: dominant corner helps you anymore than having a dominant But
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: it's harder.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: To find those guys. And I don't know, I agree
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: with you if you and far between true shutdown, Yeah,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: I think corner. But you know I'm talking you know,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: the real guy, the real shutdown.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: Because you can you can go type, you can go
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: like Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, you know, and those kinds
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: of receivers, and you can say, like you know, Ceedee Lamb,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: the truly dominant receivers, and you can say I could
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: probably keep going into ten fifteen range. Whereas with corner,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: to your point, you know, it's Patrick Sartan and Derek
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: Stingley and Sauce Gardner and Gonzo and you kind of
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: start running out, Yeah, when you look at it that way.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: So I do think that you make a good point
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: about it being harder to get a corner. I just
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: don't think it's any more valuable to have that than
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: anything else. If you have a dominant player, you have
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: a dominant player. My feeling would be, I think A. J.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: Brown's a better player than Christian Gonzales.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: I remember twenty fourteen and he was far from his prime.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: We brought in Revas and yeah he was. I have
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: a different it was a big that was a big deal.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a different hole. Like I think, how
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: would that have been without the offense that they had.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying it put them up?
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: Did Darrell Rivas? See That's like, I don't think that
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: put him over the top. I think Tom Brady did.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: I think Tom Brady's kicking the ass from Jimmy Garoppolo
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: put them over the top. And I think that the
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't think Darrel Rievas and Brandon Browner,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: you know, led a ten point you know, fourteen point
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: comeback in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: If you remember back then in that era, you know,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, ten.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: Defense was better in fourteen. You're right, You're right. I mean,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: like again, on paper, facts are facts. It's like Felger facts,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: you know, like they had defenses that were good, that
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: they had an offense that was good enough to get
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl, but the defense wasn't good enough
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: for them to win it, right, And then in fourteen
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: they brought in Browner, and they brought in Revis and
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: the defense improved and they were good enough to win it.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: I can't argue with that, that's fact, but I think
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: Brady was just that much better and that's why they
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: won the Super Bowl.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: The other question Mike and the brown is why do
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: you think Kyle Williams only played seven snaps against the
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: Raiders and ten against the Dolphins. Is he just not
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: good enough yet or are they waiting for something? Is
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: starting to feel like another Poke Baker situation, and I
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: hope it doesn't turn out that way. I just think
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: it's a numbers game at this point. Yeah, Like he
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: hasn't been that good where he's pushing people out of
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: the way.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: I think it's the opposite of Polk. Polk played virtually
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: every play at this time last year and just wasn't
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: productive with it, whereas Williams, I think is biding his
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: time and waiting for his opportunities. And I think Mike
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: is right about some of the things that they sort
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: of tried with him a little bit in this game.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: Right now, he's the fifth receiver. So the fifth receiver
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: is not going to get a ton of you know,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: a ton of snaps. But I would also say a
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: lot of teams that the fifth receiver who doesn't play
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: special teams wouldn't even be dressed. So they must really
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: like Kyle Williams and they must see some potential in
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: him that they want to have him part of the
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: game day roster, even as a small role, and they
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: feel like he's developing. I still have some I have
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: some faith there. I think there's there's something there with
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: Kyle Williams.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Paul and the colony. UH. With Burrow going down, seems
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: like the Bengals will try to unload some of their
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: big salaries this year, and Sin and Hagens seem like
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: obvious choices. But are there others on the team that.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: We could be see that happening?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: I think Coach, I think that they'll look at this
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: and say we can tread water and we can with
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: it two and zero, which they have not been ever
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: in this Zach Taylor regime. Right, I think that they'll
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: look to win games with Jake Browning like they did
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: two years ago in Burrow's absence and see if they can,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: you know, find a way to you know, win enough
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: games to make it worthwhile for Borrow to come back
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: at the end of the year. I don't know if
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: that is that realistic. I don't know, but I think
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: it's it's definitely realistic that they can win games without Burrow.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: They've done it before. Two years ago they I think
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: they won, went four and three without Burrow.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: I I feel better.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: So if you go four and three in the next
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: seven right now, you know, you're six and three.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: I feel bad for Burrow, but it couldn't happen to
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: a better team.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: No, But do you know understand what my point is,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: you're snark aside, which don't get me wrong, I'm here
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: for the snark. If you were, I believe they went
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: four and three two years ago with Browning as the quarterback.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: Let's say they go four and three in the next
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: seven games. So now you're you know, like I said,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: you're six and three around the trade deadline. Are you
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: selling off pieces?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: Right, or you're saying no, we can go four and
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: three in the next seven games and then maybe Borrow's
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: back exactly.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, you only do that if you don't
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: think you can.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if they if they go out and
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: you know, instead of going four and three, they go
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: two and five, then maybe you're selling off a piece.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: But I think they went in for this year and
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: I think they got to see it through.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: Cole writes in do we take into consideration at all
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: the history of success the Patriot have had against the
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Steelers heading into this game, especially considering McDaniels is going
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: to know exactly how to attack this defense, assuming it's
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: the same old Pittsburgh defense. If so, should we expect
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: a monster game from the tight ends our tight ends?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I know, any man, he's thinking of Gronk.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: I what, like I would just I would ask, what
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: would constant trute? A monster game from Hunter Henry?
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: Two touchdowns, eighty yards, two tuddies.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: I mean sure maybe. I mean I'm just thinking we're
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: thinking of Rob Gronkowski, you know, ten for one hundred
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: and thirty and two touchdowns, Like I don't think that's
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: going to happen. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Right?
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: And you know, I know last week so you know
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be called a hypocrite here. We talked
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: all about the Miami history and going down there and
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: how hard it is to win no matter who the
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: team is, and oh and seven against Tua. So we
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: took history into consideration there, But I'm less apt to
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: do that this week with Pittsburgh.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: So I would be less app too, because it's Aaron Rodgers, right,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: It's not Ben Roethlisberger, Ben Roethlisberger, right. You know, it's
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: not the same Steelers team. And you know with the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: with the Dolphins, it was Tua and Waddle and Hill
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: and ate to the same guys for the most part
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: that you were going against. So I think there was
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: a little bit more reason to look at the history
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: with Miami than you would this year. But I have
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: I do have faith in the Patriots' recent success with Pittsburgh.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: I think that's relevant and specifically what the emailer talked about,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels has had a lot of success going against
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: the Steelers defense.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: Martin out of Kansas. Personally, I view the Steelers as
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: the cowboys of the AFC North. The mainstream sports media,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: not you guys, hypes them up every year. Yet they're
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: just a speed bump for any team facing them in
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: the first round of the playoffs. As Paul said earlier,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: on paper, they should play better than they have. I
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: see Drake May having yet another best career game with
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: our King Godora type running back room dominating the Steelers defense.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know what King Godora me is. Ghid o
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: r ah, it's a Godzilla thing? Okay?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: Oh oh, all right? Three headed is that Godora? I
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: thought that was Rodan oh Gira? Okay, well, now it
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: makes sense because they have the three headed monster. Okay, good?
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: Good reference, Okay, good.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: The Patriots defense having Rogers run for his lifeball game
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: throwing two plus interceptions Patriots forty eight, Steelers twenty three.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: Well, if Rogers is throwing interceptions, then I could see
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: that happening. I don't see it throwing the interceptions. He
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: doesn't really do that. Yeah, I mean, you know he
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: has the best interception rate in the history of the NFL.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah? Wow? Yeah.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: He didn't even throw a lot of interceptions last year
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: when he's stunk, right, so I.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't because he throws it out of bounds.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: Well whatever, he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions, gives up,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: doesn't try. Maybe I don't think he tried very hard.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: Last year. I kind of agree, Dan, you're trying to
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: get me involved in an argument. You're not going to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: I think nothing like. I couldn't think less of his professionalism.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't throw interceptions either. Fighting Try Dan in
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Virginia and Michigan. I don't like Rogers or the Steelers
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: at all. It would be the most Jets thing. However, However,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: if Rogers did well this year and the two years
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: of his lowest production were the two years he was
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: with the Jets. There was some discussion yesterday about naming
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: the win against Miami. How about marvelous mess in Miami?
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: If you want to really amp up the ridiculous in alliteration,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: it could be the marvelous mess in Miami that made
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: me a man. No, I think it's the Rabel kickoff game.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: I like the Rabel kick return. Yeah, so Rabel return game.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's it.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: I was I was laughing there.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: I could say it's the main coming out game, but
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: it wasn't a last second win.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: So I'm gonna I'm gonna button hook you. You know
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: why I don't want to go with that because I
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: think we're going to be looking at games like this
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: is like pedestrian.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Like and it wasn't like him winning it in the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: last second.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, then I would say it was a coming
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: out part, right, But I think you're going to be
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: looking at games like he had on Sunday as pedestrian
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: like he wasn't asked to do a whole lot, right,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: and he and he handled it fine. But man, when
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: he's really locked in and he's.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, the coming out game will be.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: Four touchdowns running around. Yeah, that's that's the coming out party.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: Mike and the OC. Not sure if you've addressed Tom
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: Brady wearing the coaching had set and assisting Chip Kelly
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: and the Hiders offense. Wanted to get your thoughts on
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: him if being a broadcaster truly gives him and the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: Raiders an advantage. In any case, I'm still upset he's
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: in his position with the Raiders. The Patriots Organization has
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: done an amazing job rehabbing the relationship with Brady after
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: the split and honoring his legacy the best way possible.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: Just wish we had him in our coaching personal office,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: similar to Lway with the Broncos. So yeah, I mean,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: you know, we were talking about it before the big deal.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: Isn't that he's an owner of a team anywhere on
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: the field, the owners can do whatever they want. It's
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: that he's a broadcaster for Fox doing other teams games. Right.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: That's where you know the conflict comes in.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, it's ridiculous. I think it's an enormous conflict
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: of interest and it's an advantage for them. So he's
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: not allowed to go to practice, right, He's not allowed
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: in the other team's facility. Right, that's the way they
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: have it. His broadcast partner is going to practice on Friday.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: You don't think he's telling them everything he saw a
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: practice on Friday, Right, And you don't think this is
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: a league where teams go through unbelievable lengths to find
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: any in all information that might help them win a game. Right.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: You don't think that that potentially helps the Raiders win
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: a game?
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: Him knowing what?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: I think?
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: Someone said that they have like Chicago this week and
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: then next week they play whoever they play. It doesn't matter.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: They have a team this week and for Fox that
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: the Raiders are playing the following week. You don't think
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: that that could help him, right?
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: You know? And I'm listening on one of my other shows.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: That means EEI not the Sports Hub this morning, and
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: then really downplaying it. Wiggy was the only one and
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: thought it was relevant and they're really downplaying it. And
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, what's just to stop them from calling up?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: Like he's got a million friends, you know, Wes Welker's
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: on the coaching staff in Washington. What's to stop them
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: from talking to Wes Welker about the Commanders? And I'm
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: thinking to myself, what's to stop them? Wes Welker knows
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: that he's the owner of the Raiders. That's what would
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: stop him. He's not going to be forthcoming with him
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: on oh geez, you know what. You should see our
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: third downpackage this week, Tom and we're going to use
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: it against the Raiders too. Like that's not going to happen, right,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: he is, Like, I think it's an enormous edge for
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: no reason. I think, much like everybody else in this
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: I think he needs to pick a lane, and I
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: think he should be forced to pick a lane. You're
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: either an announcer or you're a part owner. I have
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: no problem with him being in the coaches booth with
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: headsets owners do that all the time. I mean, ours doesn't,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: but a lot of owners around the league are they
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: just look, what's the woman's name, and she's been doing.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: It for years Yep, Carly or something.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she I mean, she just has the headsets on.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: I don't think she has input. She just wants to listen.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: She's on the sideline, and she's on the sideline listening
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: to what the coaches are saying, like that's their Do
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: you own the team, that's your prerogative. You should be
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: able to do any and all of that kind of
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: stuff if you do that if you were the owner,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind listening. If I was the owner, Yeah,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: but but I would make it clear this is I'm
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: not listening. So I'm I'm like trying to keep tabs
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: on you. I'm I'm genuinely interested in.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: From the owner's booth, though, I'd have like.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: However, yeah, however it could be done, and I would
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: also try to do it as inconspicuously as I could,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: maybe with like earbuds or something like that. But yeah, okay, yeah,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: So I couldn't believe the NFL wasted time putting out
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: a statement explaining how it's it's within the rules for
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: an owner to be listening to of course it is.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: It's the owner that's not the issue here. The owner.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: The the issue here is the owner is also a broadcaster, Right,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: have another pet peeve?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: You probably won't way Brady related or no.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: No, just in general, like, just because the networks spend
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: billions of dollars, we have to have these for COCTA broadcast.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Meetings, I mean production meetings.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like why you don't like it?
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: No, you don't think they should get some backgrounds so
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: they come into the game a little bit more informed
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: for the fans.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: No, No, no, I don't. I don't think they should.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think they should be privy to anything behind
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: the scenes. And I know why. Obviously it's money. All
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: the money they pay that much money, they got to
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: get something and return. I understand that. You know, the
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: media is here every day like they're covering your team,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: they're promoting your product just as much as the networks are. Yep,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: they don't get that access, right And I'm not talking
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: about us individual I'm just talking you know, like the
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: Boston Globe.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sure if klinis paid a billion dollars, they get
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: that right.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: But what I'm saying you shouln't be about you shouldn't
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: just pay for your access. That's I don't think it's right.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: Welcome to America, I know, I know, Like I'm not naive.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: I just don't like it. Do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: Like I understand why it happens.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's an age old tradition. I mean, even
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: before billion dollar deals they would have been having production meetings.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: But I can understand, like in the in the day,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: they needed the broadcast partners to promote their product, right,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: you know, it's different now.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: I remember speaking of Bill Parcells back when he was
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: the coach and Don Lowry was our PR guy before
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Stacey James. Even, I said to Don, I said, hey,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: don can you ask Parcels if I can sit on
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: the you know, the production meeting with NBC. Like he's
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: not gonna, I just ask him. So he comes back
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: the next day. So what did he say? He said,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: He said, tell Fred he's not NBC.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: So, which is That's a great story, but it kindlantic no, no,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: but it lends lends it to what I'm talking about. Obviously,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: the coaches weren't real happy with it. They didn't want
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: other people in their preva. If we have to do
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: it for NBC, I guess we have to do it like.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: They don't want to do that. They don't want to
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: give that information away. So when people say, well, why
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: is it such a big deal that Tom Brady, that's
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: the coaches. Don't The coaches think it's a big deal.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: But at least Parcels did.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Yep, and a lot of times, you know, you would.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: I would imagine some coaches use those production meetings to
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: help them get something out there. Like they tell something
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: that they're hoping the broadcasters will repeat it.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: Like and on that thing that I heard this morning,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: I think they had a clip from Jimmy Johnson talking
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: about like those meetings are useless. There's never been anything
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: that comes out of it. I used to not say
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: anything about it, and I was like, well, that's great.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: That's what you did. You you were able to do
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: it that way. I think that it's also kind of
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: interesting that he's downplaying it as a Fox guy. I
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: know he'd retired, but he's a Fox guy. This is
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: the his network's broadcast team. That is, you know in question.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: I just think it's disingenuous on Jimmy Johnson's part regard
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: he's telling you how we didn't tell him anything. Yeah,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: oh okay, so you're telling me that there's nothing to
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: be gleaned from going to the Friday practice, and but
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: you didn't tell him anything, right, right? So what are
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: you like? So you were hiding it is what you
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: were doing. I just think, speaking of.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: Telling teams things, the Steelers signed Pepper's earlier and just
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: yesterday announced that they had signed j Want Bentley. Is
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: there any information that those two guys can give the
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: team that would help them against the Patriots? We'll talk
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: about my question.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 19: That none of them look like in the locker room.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: What was it like, Mike?
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: What was it like?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 8: Sorry?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: A little crazy really back sooner.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: But we had, of course Stefan Diggs spoke, and then
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: we had Christian Zalez and we had AFC Special Teams
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Player of the Week Antonio Gibson as well. So all
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: three of those guys was waiting for Antonio to get
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: out of the shower so we could interview him. So
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: that's why I'm a little later. Didn't get a chance
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: to talk to explaining or anybody on the defense that
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: was one of the things I.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: Wanted to do.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: No, you wanted to have a heart to heart with
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: your defensive mates.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, none of that today.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: But we did talk to Diggs, and you know, he seems,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: uh saying all the right things, you know, and just
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: everybody theme of having a win and getting some confidence
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: and trying to build off for that and trying to
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: you know, keep the train rolling was kind of the
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: general sentiment.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Christian Zalez, playing a little close to the.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: Vest, asked about, you know, did you have a setback,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: And I don't want to talk about it. I'm gonna
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: be out there today. I'm gonna focus on today, and
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: you know, we'll see where I'm at the end of
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: that day. So yeah, he didn't set any expectations or
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: anything like that.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: So that's all good.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, what's the news.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: The news is that he's gonna practice no digs? Oh
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: uh no news.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: What did they didn't talk about?
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: H asked him about that about his uh andy, I
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: don't talk about private life, so he kind of he
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: kind of shut it down. He didn't really he didn't
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: really talk.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: About it's not buying it.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I just think it's you know,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: he seemed generally a volatile situation.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, he seemed genuinely confused.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: When someone was like, so I figure with the quite
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: how exactly how they phrased, He's like, what what are
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: you talking about? Like and like, oh, you know, the announcement,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: and he's like, I don't know. Let's see, I don't
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: really have my personal life. So yeah, playing close to
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: the Bob question.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: When you're with a woman and you both love each other.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the birds and the bees.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: Uh so yeah, that was so that was kind of
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: the vibe though in locker room Eber getting ready to
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: go out shells no no pads today, Yeah, and uh yeah,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: we'll see from Evan once and I did find out
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: where Evan was. He was conducting an interview with Bill
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: O'Brien regarding a piece he was writing on Julian Edelman,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: who's being.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: Inducted into the Hall of Fame this weekend.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: So that's why he he had to cut out on
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: our first hour after billyo for a little bit.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: So there you go. Was this an approved piece that
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: he's writing, believe it is something that he's doing it
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: for his own block.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: His home block.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: Evan A lot of media.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: Sounded like it was auded, very crowded, and uh, I
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: don't know if you want my shoulders. Very tired, sure
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: holding the mics so you know ninety eight five and
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: I helped them out today Mark Capella, you know the
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: mic so but you know, it's like trying to hold
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: a two pound weight for five minutes like this.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: It's kind of hard.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: Hard. I don't like them, you know, enlisting you.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: Well, it was you know, you scratch my back, guy,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: scratch yours kind of thing. Sometimes you get you get
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: closed out. It's tight space.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: You can't get in there.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 12: You know.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: Maria Capello comes over and he's like, I can't get
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: in there. I cut in on it, like think Mike
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: shows someday.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: So I know, all good. We all work together as
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: a team trying to get those interviews. So some good
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: stuff today.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so Gonzo he talked, that's a good sign. Yep, yep, yep.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Right at that, I was that was actually reminiscing you
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: came up.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: Paul was talking to Mike g r D and we
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: were talking about Stephan Gilmore and and you know how
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: he would and I said, yeah, Paul always say like
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: you know, people would be like, oh, he doesn't act
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: like a number one corner, and Pul's like, that's just
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: because you can't hear him quiet.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: He did in the best cover corner. He would say
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: stuff right Juju Smith, Schuster, He locker he can't get open?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: Was that was Tylaw in that locker too, or anybody
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: else in that that right by the.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: Door right there?
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: I remember, I remember stuff being there.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: Law was over there. I don't know if he was
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: the end. Yeah, he might have been in the middle
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: of that bank, but he was on that. I mean,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: that's obviously with.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: It rivass the corner you.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: May have been in that. It made it kind of
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: goes by number. So like all three of those guys
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: were number well not Gonzales, but Revis, Gilmore and Law.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: We're all twenty four, right, so they were in that
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: general vicinity.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all. The mood was could good stuff, you know.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: Steph said, He's like, you guys, maybe you couldn't last week,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: but you could feel like, you know, the mood last
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: week was definitely, you know, a little bit more down,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: and you know this week you have a little confidence
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: built up. So yeah, he said, everybody's feeling good after
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: that win, and I think feeling like, hey, let's go
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: get a win at home.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: So also too they.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: You know how they have the nameplates up the top,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: they're all digital. Now they were red for the throwback
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: game this week, so.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: I've never seen it. There was just a so just
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: a red haze all up, very bright, very bright, like.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: Christopher Walking when you said that red red Hay, that.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Was a red haze about me. I could I was.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: I found a little bit much, but it was funny.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: One of the members and now you know what I'm
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: thinking about, right, he took this watch in his But
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: one of the members of media like, you know, it's
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: clearly if there's red everywhere, all the pat Patriots helmets
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: are out. And I heard one of the media guys,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: just one of the camera brandom guys, like, oh, they
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: were in those white.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: Helmets this week. Bro, it's a throwback week. Come on,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: get on our level.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, So they will be in throwbacks, they will be
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: in throwbacks.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, Ready, how were they against the Steelers in the
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: thing throwbably?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: Not too good in the seventies.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: I'm at I don't win in seventy six yeah, in
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: throw right, not throw the were actually that was the
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: throat then.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Patriots. There was somebody who wrote in and said
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: he's coming first time for a game.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: Well, Anthony and Seattle's coming.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, he just wanted some info about Saturday's uh Saturday. Yeah,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: So the info on Saturday for the induction is it
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: starts at four o'clock in the Patriots Place Patriot Place
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Plaza below the stairs. I don't know the exact setup,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: but it's free of charge, So just show up, I would.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to get close, I don't
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: think it matters. You know, you can. They're gonna have
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: screens probably set up so you'll be able to see
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: wherever you're sitting. You can sit on the stairs, you
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: can you can be anywhere. But if you you know,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: obviously they're earlier to get there, the closer he'll be.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: And I would say two o'clock is when you probably
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: want to get there if you really want to get close.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: But otherwise, you know, just show up and like I said,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: you don't have to pay. Parking is free, and it'll
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: be a great event and it's going to be Bill
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: Parcels and Julian Edelman starting at for you know, I'm
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: sure there'll be other speakers and video and and all that,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: so that that should be really good. So if you're
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: in the area, check it out.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: Check it out.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, any any people coming into town for these two guys.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know the guest list now, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I would assume Edelman is going to have a pretty
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  Speaker 3: good guest list. A lot of guys come off for him. YEA,
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  Speaker 3: be probably a pretty good party Saturday night, I imagine too.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder who I think Scott Pioli will be here,
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  Speaker 2: Bill's son in law.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's that's.
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  Speaker 4: A great point for good chance, good chance, Dallas.
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  Speaker 2: I think some of the old writers will be coming back, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: That's what Matt and I would talk Matt, Matti Nosa
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  Speaker 4: and I were talking about that today. You know, Kevin Mannix,
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  Speaker 4: Ron Hobson, you know, maybe Ron Borges, some of those guys.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't know, like does it lend itself to
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  Speaker 4: being able to like really talk to parcels.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. They loved him, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he had a great relationship with Hobby.
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  Speaker 4: He was always very very fun back and forth with
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  Speaker 4: Ron Hobson, who The.
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  Speaker 3: Award is named after correct good guy the media Good
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  Speaker 3: Guy Award.
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  Speaker 4: You will not.
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  Speaker 3: But he would have back and forth as a good guy,
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  Speaker 3: fun fun, fun back and forth.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all right, Yeah, I think this is before me.
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  Speaker 2: Unlike Belichick, who I really honestly think had disdained for
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  Speaker 2: the media, like felt they.
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  Speaker 1: Would below hands people generally, probably, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think Parcels respected the media, especially the older guys, like
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  Speaker 2: they're kind of his kind of guy, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: he understood the job that they had to do. And
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  Speaker 2: I think the more crusty you were, I think the
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  Speaker 2: more he related. Yeah, because he was a crusty guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't being maybe I'm just you know, because
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  Speaker 2: he's from that New Jersey, New York area, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's one.
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  Speaker 4: Of the areas that Fred's from.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, he just he just got along
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  Speaker 2: with those types of guys better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, like the I don't know, I'm just picturing the
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  Speaker 3: old newspaper guy smoking cigarettes typing here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of that.
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  Speaker 1: That's what That's what Parcels was. He was the guys
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  Speaker 1: smoking butts.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm excited to, like I said, I just
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  Speaker 3: get him back in the fold just you know, see
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  Speaker 3: what he what he has to say, and you know
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: how it kind of becomes full circle for that whole period,
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  Speaker 3: which you know, for me was like really I was
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  Speaker 3: a Patriots fan, but like once Parcels came in blood,
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  Speaker 3: so that was like game on and that was that
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: was pretty I.
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  Speaker 4: Was always a Patriots fan. I'm not going to pretend
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  Speaker 4: to have gotten on board, you know when they came.
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  Speaker 4: But when they came, that's when, yeah, you finally will
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  Speaker 4: like everybody else, now we're a legitimate franchise. And then
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  Speaker 4: Robert buys the team the next year, here we go,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 4: here we go, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I remember, you know, Parcel's what I was say, I
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  Speaker 2: don't pay attention to one day, you know, and one
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  Speaker 2: day I'm in front of the stadium and he pulls
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  Speaker 2: up in his Cadillac and gets out of his car
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  Speaker 2: with a pile of Global barrels that he's throwing away
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: that have been piling up in his car because you know,
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  Speaker 2: he read it right right, and he saw me looking
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  Speaker 2: at him, and he kind of smiles like you caught me.
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  Speaker 1: So no PFW's in there.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe all right, that's going to be it for this
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back tomorrow at noon,
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: so we'll wrap it up. We'll do our picks. Any preview, Paul,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: how did the gang do so?
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  Speaker 4: I mean this is a new Sheriff. I mean it's
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: just Alex's world and we're all living.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: In Oh is that right? Wow?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I remain in the basement with the poop
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  Speaker 4: Emoji's okay, I'm having a tough start to the season.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we'll go over it all tomorrow. We'll see you then.
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