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Tickle & Giggle · The Slippery Slope

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  Jay Fallon, thanks for listening to the slippery slope.
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  So last year I got to do an interview with that cell Grover.
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  Very interesting lady. She was the she started the the
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  app specifically made for women. Are called Giggle.
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  Giggle for women. I think it's called.
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  Anyway, let's have a look at this story.
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  The she's been fighting cells been fighting a a trans woman
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  who has insisted on being a part of this app of the of the Giggle
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  app. The the app for women.
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  Because obviously trans women are women.
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  Google. YouTube, don't don't kick me
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  off. Don't put any more marks against
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  my name. Trans women are women,
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  apparently, and so she's still going through this court case.
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  It's been a couple of years now. Anyway, he's the latest reports.
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  Let's have a look at at what actually is going on.
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  Just anyway, here headline Sex changeable Commission backs
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  trans woman's case. There you go.
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  There's the a trans woman suing after being blocked from a woman
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  only women only social media platform has been backed by the
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  Australian Human Rights Commission.
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  In her case, Roxanne Tickle. Now obviously, when they say in
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  her case, they're talking about the man.
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  Who has transformed into a woman?
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  So she's suing Giggle for girls in the federal court after
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  having her access to the app revoked in September 2021.
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  Maintaining her appearance as a woman since 2017, Miss Tickle
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  underwent gender affirming surgery in 2019 October and was
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  issued a birth certificate stating she was female the
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  following year. That issued the birth
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  certificate, even though obviously she is an adult when
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  he she was an adult when undergoing the surgery issued
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  the birth certificate. Giggle for Girls, which cites
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  itself as made for women by women.
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  Women blocked Miss Tickle in 2021 after considering her male.
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  After the platform failed to get the lawsuit thrown out in June,
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  the AHRC was called on as a friend of the court to make
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  submissions on whether Miss Tickle's case was validly
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  brought. I'm not sure if I can continue
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  saying that name with a straight face.
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  Miss Tickle Sex discriminate Discrimination Commissioner Anna
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  Cody dismissed Giggle for Girls arguments that sex was a
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  biological binary characteristic.
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  Dismissed it. I mean, we all know that that
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  sex is binary. It's it's a fact.
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  But she's just dismissed it. Under which someone could simply
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  be classified as either a man or a woman.
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  This is the problem. It is a fact.
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  But we're gonna just dismiss it. Sex.
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  That's what she says. Sex can refer to a person being
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  male, female or another non binary status.
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  She wrote This is the problem we've come up with these this
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  terminology that doesn't make sense to say that you are non
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  binary, which it's it's just a made-up term because our gender
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  as it it is binary there is only male, female.
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  That's all there is anyway. It is also broad enough to
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  encompass the idea that the idea.
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  That a person's sex can be changed?
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  Well, the outside can be changed.
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  Your actual sex, you know your chromosomes can't be changed
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  anyway. To determine whether your DNA
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  you know you can't actually change it.
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  To determine whether someone was female, a court merely needed to
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  determine what their birth certificate stated.
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  This is the whole problem. We have not held our politicians
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  accountable over the years. They come in with these half
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  baked, half baked laws. You know you can just change
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  your birth certificate, which it doesn't really make sense
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  because what you were born is what you were born.
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  You've decided to change, have some operations and become some
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  funky call Medina later on in life.
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  It doesn't mean. It doesn't mean you actually
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  have changed and you shouldn't be able to change your birth
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  certificate. Anyway, so she needed to
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  determine what had their birth certificate stated and if trans.
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  They had undergone gender affirming surgery at least as
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  early as the 1990s. It has been accepted that sex is
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  changeable. No it's not and that the female
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  sex includes a person who has undergone gender affirming
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  surgery to affirm their status as female Mrs. Cody wrote Mrs.
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  Cody. Rocky, she's a she's a I tell
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  you what, sometimes it feels like women are the worst enemies
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  of other women when you when you read a lot of these stories, you
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  think Anyway, in making the submission she rejected.
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  Giggle for Girls claims the lawsuit should have been filed
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  as a sex discrimination case, saying the allegations were
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  actually of gender identity discrimination.
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  Trans Women woman may say that the that her gender identity is
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  female, but the Sex Discrimination Act would still
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  protect her from direct discrimination on the ground
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  that she was identified by the discriminator as a trans woman
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  and was treated less favorably favorably than a person with a
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  different gender identity as a result, Giga for Girls claims
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  you could dodge the lawsuit because it was a special
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  measure. Put in place to help women avoid
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  discrimination. We're also we're also rejected.
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  It goes on a little bit more. Blah blah blah.
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  Down here is where the problem lies.
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  This is this tickle, Miss, Miss Tickle.
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  Could you go around? I couldn't.
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  I'm sorry if your last name is genuinely Tickle, but I couldn't
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  go around calling myself introducing myself as Mr.
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  Tickle. Isn't that?
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  Wasn't that one of the The Funny Men Mr. Men series?
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  Yeah, Tickle. Anyway, I believe this is tickle
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  talking, Tickle talking. Hello Tickle talking, Tickle
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  says. I believe that I am being
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  discriminated against by being provided with extremely limited
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  functionality of a smartphone app by the app provider compared
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  to that of other users. Because I am a transgender
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  woman, Ms. Tickle wrote. I am legally permitted to
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  identify. As female and there lies the
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  problem that that is the crux of the problem.
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  She's legally he she whatever. Sorry YouTube not trying to
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  discriminate. Tickle is is legally able to
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  identify as a woman. So I I don't see any other way
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  around it if you're. Like I've said many, many, many
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  times, we don't hold their politicians accountable.
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  They're our lawmakers. They come up with these
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  ludicrous ideas. We don't hold them accountable.
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  And a couple of years down the track we have these absolutely
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  deplorable laws coming into coming into ACT where you can
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  just decide and then you go and change it on your birth
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  certificate and then everyone, everyone else is forced into
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  submission. The the same thing with all
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  these these abortion laws that have come in, these euthanasia
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  laws that we brought in every state, they've all just, you
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  can't say they'd be snuffed through.
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  But we've allowed them to come in.
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  We we're not holding these people, these politicians
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  accountable, these elected officials accountable.
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  And this is the kind of rubbish that we end up with where a man
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  who's had surgery. Who's suffering from a a mental
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  disorder? OK, and whatever.
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  If you want, you want, you want to live your life.
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  Go and live your life. But, but why do you have to go
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  and jump on an app and pretend an app that's specifically built
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  for other women and then pretend that you know what other women
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  are feeling are the issues that are going on in other women's
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  lives, you know? Crazy.
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  Hey, check out the interview that I did do with Cell Grover.
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  It was last year. I'll put a link up for it.
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  Very interesting. Lady has done quite a bit and
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  check it. What her interactional the
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  experience that she had with them.
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  I can see his face now. The, the.
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  Hollywood. Director the guy that got sent
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  into sent to to jail for for raping all those women.
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  Weinstein, Harvey, Harvey Weinstein.
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  Check out the part where she talks about a year about her
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  interaction. All she one of her best friends
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  I think was was actually a secretary.
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  Interesting the comments the very interesting.
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  Anyway, what she discusses about him, but check out what she says
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  in the interview that I had with her last year.
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  Let me know what you think. Do we bring this on ourselves?
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  Because everyone's just, well, let's face it, we're all just
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  too busy working, making money, doing our own thing.
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  These bills get shoved through in parliament.
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  No one really takes a lot of notice.
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  We don't hold our our politicians accountable like we
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  should. And then companies like Giggle
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  for Girls end up paying the price because we all just.
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  We're all just too blase about these things until they affect
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  us. And so we have people running
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  around saying I am a woman, you have to, you have to accept it.
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  It's now my legal right and there's nothing we can do about
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  it. It's ridiculous.
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  That's my opinion. Let me know what you think.
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  I'm going to. I'm going to discuss a few
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  things in the in the next podcast, too.
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  About Dan Andrews. About his resignation.
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  Yeah. And some of the other.
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  Not just Dan Andrews. Some of the other corruption
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  issues that we've had getting around in Australian politics
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  that's just coming to light this last week.
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  Dan Andrews, Albanese Qantas. Oh mate.
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  Australia. Home of the corrupt politician,
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  I think. Let me know what you reckon.
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  Thanks for listening to the slippery, slippery, slippery
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  slope. You