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BRITNEY SPEARS REHAB LOCKDOWN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Britney spears rehab Lockdown Nightmare.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: She's gotten to nice, to get about puppoicity and forget
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Speaker 2: about her puppet imature, forget about her funds and focus
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Speaker 2: on herself. He has to go to speak professional help.
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Speaker 1: This can be turned around.
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Speaker 3: I could go out and have a drink or something
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Speaker 3: like that.
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Speaker 2: For the news that I say, oh my god, she went,
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Speaker 2: she had a drink.
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Speaker 1: Oh what are we going to do?
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Speaker 2: So, oh my gosh.
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Speaker 1: She's like, you know, like, what's the big deal.
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Speaker 4: I don't see like a glass of wine or that.
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Speaker 4: It's not like I'm coming out summing out of the club.
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Speaker 1: A precursor a harbinger of sorts. Britney spears Tonight and
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Speaker 1: rehab Lockdown night Mayor. She's going through her worst dream
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Speaker 1: reportedly off all alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, the works. That from
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Speaker 1: our friends at entertainment tonight. Let's see that one more time.
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Speaker 4: If you go out and have a drink or something
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Speaker 4: like that.
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Speaker 2: For the news that I say, oh my god, she went,
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Speaker 2: she had a drink.
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Speaker 1: Oh what are we going to do.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: She's like, you know, like, what's the big new I
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Speaker 1: don't see like a glass of wine or that.
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Speaker 4: It is not like I'm coming out someone out of
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Speaker 4: the club.
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Speaker 1: From our friends in entertainment tonight before I go out
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Speaker 1: to Kat Schallenberger joining us from dly mail first to
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Speaker 1: Max Minor, President CEO of Executive Treatment Solutions. It's a
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Speaker 1: pre trial mitigation specialty boutique offering helping individuals in crisis
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Speaker 1: avoid jail time. Now Max, in my world of prosecuting
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Speaker 1: HIV habitual violators, which means somebody has been DUI driving
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Speaker 1: into the influence of drugs, are alcohol. So many times
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Speaker 1: they finally wrecked and kill somebody an HIV a vehicular homicide.
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Speaker 1: But people, you offer a very important service. A people
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Speaker 1: like Britney Spears are convinced if they go into rehab
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Speaker 1: they can avoid jail time and very often it works
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Speaker 1: because the goal so often my goal was unless there
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Speaker 1: was a dead body, if I just had a defendant
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Speaker 1: with a lot of DUIs b they drugs or alcohol,
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Speaker 1: I want them to get well before they kill somebody.
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Speaker 1: That said, once you've got a dead body, it's a
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Speaker 1: whole another animal then they have to go to jail.
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Speaker 1: And for a long time, there are countless celebrities that
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Speaker 1: have used your services, Max Minor, but I hate that
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Speaker 1: it's because they're between a rock and hardspot. They can
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Speaker 1: either go to rehab or they can go to jail.
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Speaker 1: What's happening with Britney Spears right now in rehab?
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Speaker 5: Well me, that'sk Thanks so much for having me. And
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Speaker 5: you know, this is a question that we are faced
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Speaker 5: with all the time, and really what it comes down
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Speaker 5: to is that, you know, extreme control without structured treatment
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Speaker 5: isn't a long term solution, right and right now she's
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Speaker 5: trying to figure out how she's going to navigate this
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Speaker 5: treatment process, and the reality is is that it's going
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Speaker 5: to come down to whether or not she's held accountable
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Speaker 5: to do so. With our clients, right the process that
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Speaker 5: we have with our clients, you know, we're all about
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Speaker 5: accountability because without taking accountability, you're actually never going to
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Speaker 5: get better. So right now, she's probably trying to figure
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Speaker 5: out how she's going to navigate this next thirty sixty
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Speaker 5: ninety days whatever she's looking at, and you know, the
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Speaker 5: people around her are probably trying to make it as
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Speaker 5: comfortable as possible. But what it comes down to is,
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Speaker 5: you know, she's got to be held accountable.
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Speaker 1: Kind of mount place you mean when you say as
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Speaker 1: comfortable as possible, maybe something like the last Beverly Hills
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Speaker 1: lux facility sixty thousand dollars a month. Now she says,
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Speaker 1: quote it was hell like in my very own horror movie.
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Speaker 1: In so many ways it broke my spirit. Now I'm
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Speaker 1: referring to the sixty grand a month rehab facility in
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills that was one of the rehabs. For some reason,
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Speaker 1: these rehabs are not working for Britney Spears. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: Max Minor joining us CEO Executive Treatment Solutions, specializing in
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Speaker 1: convincing people. And he's right, it's either jail or rehab.
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Speaker 1: You pick straight out now to Kat Schollenberger, joining us
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Speaker 1: head of Live News at dailymail dot Comcat, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. What's happening? According to reports, it's
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Speaker 1: Britney Spears lockdown nightmare. She's going through the worst of
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Speaker 1: it right now. According to reports. What's happening.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, as we know, Nancy Brittany was arrested for
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Speaker 6: a duid charge on March fourth, out in Ventifornia at
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Speaker 6: the time, her reps called her actions completely inexcusable, and
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Speaker 6: report surface that she had voluntarily checked herself into rehab.
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Speaker 6: But what sources are telling us is that she actually
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Speaker 6: dug her heels in about going to rehab and that
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Speaker 6: her sons Sean Preston and Jaden James had to stage
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Speaker 6: an intervention in order to get their mother to go
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Speaker 6: to rehab. They called the situation a complete non negotiable
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Speaker 6: and in order to maintain a relationship with her that
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Speaker 6: she would have to go. Her kids are the most
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Speaker 6: important thing in the world to her. They are the
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Speaker 6: only ones that she listens to, so in order to
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Speaker 6: make them happy, she did agree to check herself into rehab,
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Speaker 6: and reports are saying she may be there for thirty days.
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Speaker 6: She could be there for longer, but it was most
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Speaker 6: certainly incentivized by her children.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is something I don't quite understand. Max
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Speaker 1: Minor joining US CEO of Executive Treatment Solutions, who basically
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Speaker 1: says it's us or jail. There have been many many
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Speaker 1: celebs that go to rehab and somehow we'll go out.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to jail. Sometimes it cost him their lives.
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Speaker 1: For instance, Matthew Perry. You know who Matthew Perry met
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Speaker 1: in his fancy rehab. He met the ketamine queen that
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Speaker 1: supplied him the ketamine that killed him. He's not the
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Speaker 1: only one that chose rehab over jail. Look at all
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Speaker 1: these celebs that go to very expensive rehabs. There you
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Speaker 1: have Chris Brown. Doesn't seem like it helped him very much. Oh,
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Speaker 1: there's Drew Barrymore. She's a success story as far as
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Speaker 1: we can tell. There's John Stamos success, Lindsay Lohan success,
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Speaker 1: she's happily married with the child. Ooh, Mel Gibson, that's
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Speaker 1: a toughie. Who knows that's a flip of a coin.
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Speaker 1: And there you have Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps. Seems like
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Speaker 1: it worked. Oh, Nick Reiner did not work, he said
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Speaker 1: behind bars on double murder Paris Hilton. Apparently it worked.
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Speaker 1: She's happily married with children and of course a success story.
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Speaker 1: Iron Man Robert Downey Jr. There are so meaning. Oh yes,
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Speaker 1: we can't forget Tiger Woods didn't work, did not repeat,
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Speaker 1: did not work. Even after Max Minor, he nearly this
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Speaker 1: close to having his leg amputated. That's bad enough for anybody,
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Speaker 1: but a professional athlete that has to walk a golf
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Speaker 1: course for a living to have your leg amputated, that
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Speaker 1: did not scare him straight Max, So what is going
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Speaker 1: to be different this time? Reports Britney Spears tonight, in
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Speaker 1: the middle of her worst nightmare. Now, if she thought
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Speaker 1: a sixty thousand dollars a month Beverly Hills facility was
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Speaker 1: a horror chamber, what does she want and why why
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Speaker 1: hasn't it worked so far?
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, we deal with all these luxury rehabs
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Speaker 5: day in and day out, and make no mistake, there's
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Speaker 5: some really quality programs out there that have some incredible
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Speaker 5: clinical teams. But you know, Nancy, I agree with you,
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Speaker 5: you know, and what it comes back to time and
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Speaker 5: time again is the accountability measures that are going to
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Speaker 5: be put in place for her. And the reason she's
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Speaker 5: calling it a nightmare, let's just, you know, let's just
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Speaker 5: call for what it is is because she's unable to
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Speaker 5: operate the way that she wants to operate. But however,
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Speaker 5: if this is going to actually work, it's going to
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Speaker 5: require a lot more than thirty sixty ninety days. I mean,
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Speaker 5: you know, from my own personal experience, you know, I
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Speaker 5: spent a year inside a structured environment, and that's we
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Speaker 5: recommend of all of our clients. So it's obviously not
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Speaker 5: for everybody, but you know, for her, she's it is
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Speaker 5: a nightmare because she's having to come to terms with
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Speaker 5: these things that she's been running from for a very
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Speaker 5: long time.
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Speaker 1: Joining us now straight from New York, Rob Sheater, host
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Speaker 1: of Naughty Nice podcast and author of a new hit
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Speaker 1: novel release it's called It Started with a Whisper, and
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Speaker 1: it is climbing the charts of Amazon. It's turned into
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Speaker 1: a bestseller. And I know why, Rob Shooter. You claim
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Speaker 1: it's fiction. I disagree. I have reason to believe you
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Speaker 1: base it on real life characters, and I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 1: I've identified some of them, which we will discuss off camera.
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Speaker 1: So if I can identify them, who else can identify them?
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Speaker 1: Lucky for you, many of them are public figures and
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Speaker 1: they can't sue you. Plus, the truth is a complete defense.
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Speaker 1: I want you to focus on that in your new book,
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Speaker 1: It Started with a Whisper. Just keep saying the truth
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Speaker 1: is a complete defense. The truth is a complete defense.
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Speaker 1: Like Dorothy, you know it worked for her, but of
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Speaker 1: course that was fiction. Rob shooter. Tonight, Britney spears reportedly
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Speaker 1: and rehab locked down. She is not free to leave,
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Speaker 1: as she has left other rehab centers at whim and
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Speaker 1: claims she thinks she's in her worst nightmare. That's not
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Speaker 1: the type of pr she needs right now now. I
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Speaker 1: did not like her in the conservatorship. She didn't like it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't like it for her. She's a grown woman.
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Speaker 1: Everybody is sucking on her paychecks like ticks, like parasites,
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Speaker 1: and they had control of all her money while she's
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Speaker 1: working every night in a Vegas show. It just wasn't right.
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Speaker 1: Now she's that from under that and this happens. So
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Speaker 1: what now?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen next. But what
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Speaker 2: I do know is how we got here. Her sons
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Speaker 2: are back in her life, and these are the only
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Speaker 2: two individuals that I think Britney will listen to. Many
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Speaker 2: people throughout the years have tried to advise Britney to
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Speaker 2: go to rehab to get some help. She's ignored them all,
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Speaker 2: including just two weeks ago when she was arrested for
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Speaker 2: a DUI. Her sons are back in her life. They
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Speaker 2: are young men. They want to get their mom some help.
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Speaker 2: And so the pr spin that Britney's people put out
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Speaker 2: is that Britney decided to get into rehab. What my
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Speaker 2: sources are telling me is the sons have made it
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Speaker 2: very very clear to Brittany that if she wants them
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Speaker 2: in her life, if she wants them to be around,
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Speaker 2: then she's got to get some help. So even though
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Speaker 2: she is there on her own choice, I think it's
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Speaker 2: really about her son's here.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Rob Sheeter, why do you say,
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Speaker 1: Vane Harry, Because I just showed you a string of
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Speaker 1: celebrities when they're between a rock and a hard spot,
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Speaker 1: it's either rehab or jail, and Britney spears. Let me see,
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Speaker 1: I was trying to count all the rehabs. Look, I
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Speaker 1: want her to succeed. I on her side until we
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Speaker 1: have a dead body. Then everything flips. There's been the
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Rey haveb for sixty grand a month that
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Speaker 1: she said was a horror chamber. There was Cedar Sina.
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Speaker 1: I remember that that time she was involuntarily placed in
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Speaker 1: treatment and after that her dad took over as a conservator.
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Speaker 1: There has been a Crossroads. There was Crossroads Center in Antigua.
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Speaker 1: Then there was, of course promises at Malibu. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what's not to love? You sit around in a circle,
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Speaker 1: you talk about your problems, you have gourmet, healthy food,
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Speaker 1: you're by the ocean, you go on walks, you do yoga.
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Speaker 1: You just can't drink. So none of those have worked
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Speaker 1: right now, in addition to managing to escape jail time,
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Speaker 1: she may be at habitual violator status. How many times
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Speaker 1: has she actually been convicted not just pulled over accused,
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Speaker 1: but convicted of DUI? That matters. You can't just be
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Speaker 1: pulled over or suspected. Have to actually be convicted of
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Speaker 1: multiple do UIs typically four to become an HIV habitual violator.
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Speaker 1: Then at sefelony it's no longer a DUI misdemeanor. But
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Speaker 1: at this juncture you keep saying voluntary, voluntary, isn't it
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Speaker 1: because her sons gay forr an ultimatum, either you go
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Speaker 1: or we're out of your life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Ryan, Nancy. I'm using the word voluntary as
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Speaker 2: an example of a word that her people are using.
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Speaker 2: Britney's team keeps saying voluntary, and they're doing that for
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Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. One, they don't want us to
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Speaker 2: connect that this could potentially help her in her court case,
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Speaker 2: which is coming up in a few weeks and two.
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Speaker 2: They do not want more rumors out there that Britney
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Speaker 2: needs more serious help, that she's had mental health issues again,
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Speaker 2: so they keep using the word voluntary. I am parroting it.
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Speaker 2: The information that I'm giving you is that this is
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Speaker 2: about her sons. Her sons have basically told her it's
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Speaker 2: us or it is the booze, it is the pills.
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Speaker 2: You can't have both. If you want us in your life,
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Speaker 2: then you have to get clean. They've also too made
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Speaker 2: it very clear that they do not want to be
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Speaker 2: her conservator. They want her to get help, but they
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Speaker 2: saw what their grandfather went through for thirteen years he
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Speaker 2: looked after Britney, and they do not want that responsibility.
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Speaker 2: They do not want that burden. They want their mom
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Speaker 2: to get help.
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Speaker 1: Making her sons her conservators. That's giving the fox the
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Speaker 1: keys to the hen house. I mean all that money. No, no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: that that can't be so, Rob Shooter, you do know
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Speaker 1: that reportedly Madonna has already arranged a comeback appearance for
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Speaker 1: Britney Spears. Isn't that too much? Too soon.
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Speaker 2: It is too much, too soon. Madonna has a new
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Speaker 2: album coming out in June. She's not sold music for
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Speaker 2: many years. What Madonna is really good at is connecting
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Speaker 2: herself to agging herself to somebody who is relevant. I
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Speaker 2: think she's doing a duet with Sabrina Carpenter. She already
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Speaker 2: worked with Brittany several years ago, so they do have
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Speaker 2: a relationship. Madonna two is one of the celebrities that
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Speaker 2: attended Britney's wedding, and so they do know, and so
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Speaker 2: they do know.
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Speaker 1: Just go ahead and get it out of your system.
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Speaker 1: They had a big, fat, wet kiss on the lips
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Speaker 1: and we're photographed it. It broke the internet before Kim
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Speaker 1: Kardashian's rearly and broke the Internet.
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Speaker 2: It was a moment. It was a moment, and Madonna
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Speaker 2: would love to recreate something. I want to believe that
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Speaker 2: Madonna's doing this because she wants to help Britney. However,
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Speaker 2: in the process, she's also helping Madonna once again. She
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Speaker 2: has a new album out in a couple of months,
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Speaker 2: and the sales are a little bit soft on it.
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Speaker 2: So Madonna is looking to make publicity, make noise, and
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Speaker 2: Brittany certainly does that.
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Speaker 1: You're horsh rub shooter. How dare you question Madonna's motives
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Speaker 1: to suggest she has commercial interest? Okay, so already a
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Speaker 1: comeback appearance? Okay, Max Minor, did you hear what Rob Shooter?
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Speaker 1: Let me say it again for a Rob Shooter, author
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Speaker 1: of a brand new book shooting up the charts on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: It started with a whisper, it's awesome, that said, a
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Speaker 1: comeback concert, a comeback appearance. Now she's struggling in rehab
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Speaker 1: for what we're being told tonight it's her worst nightmare.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, huge mistake, huge mistake. You go ahead and you
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Speaker 5: put that pressure on her too early, too soon, and
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Speaker 5: the wheels will continue to come off even more so
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Speaker 5: than they have. And you know, again, this is where
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Speaker 5: you know, we got to get based in reality. Right,
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Speaker 5: it's proven there are statistics on this that in order
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Speaker 5: to actually you know, initiate some form of change. Minimum
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Speaker 5: we're talking about ninety days and what the concert sept
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Speaker 5: for June. I mean, you're just setting her up for success.
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Speaker 5: That see, that's where her people need to step in.
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Speaker 5: And actually, you know again we're talking about accounta billy,
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Speaker 5: we're talking about structure. These key words that we keep
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Speaker 5: talking about. However, I'm still not seeing it. It doesn't
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Speaker 5: seem like it's there yet.
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Speaker 1: Max Mine or we know she's got to coordinate. Is
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Speaker 1: this right? Kat Schollenberger joining us, head of Live News
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Speaker 1: dailymail dot Com. Kat, is it the coordinate? May four?
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Speaker 1: Do I have that right? That's correct?
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Speaker 6: It's May fourth, And what's going to happen, well, Nancy
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Speaker 6: Dui is a serious charge with a serious consequence. You know,
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Speaker 6: this is not Britney's first running with the law. When
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Speaker 6: we talk about context, you know, Brittany has been under
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Speaker 6: intense public scrutiny for the better part of twenty years.
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Speaker 6: She's been very open about her battle with mental health
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Speaker 6: and substance abuse, and she detailed it at great length
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Speaker 6: in her memoir The Woman and Me. At one point
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Speaker 6: she said she was going to rehab up to four
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Speaker 6: times a day. So, you know, we can only hope
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Speaker 6: that at this point, with her children involved, that this
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Speaker 6: is the turning point that she needs to really get help,
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Speaker 6: really get her life back on track, and really become
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Speaker 6: healthy again. Yep, her fans are rallying around her, her
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Speaker 6: children are involved, those closest to her are in full support.
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Speaker 6: And so we can only hope for the best.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious why they're coming out of the
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Speaker 1: woodwork now. That said, I'm just glad they're trying to help.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. That she went to
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Speaker 1: rehab four times a day sounds like maybe alcoholics anonymous
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Speaker 1: four times a day. So Rob Shooter, you're looking at
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Speaker 1: this from a completely different angle. You're looking at it
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Speaker 1: from a p r angle. But I was thinking when
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Speaker 1: Max Minor adjoining us from executive treatment Solutions, stating it's
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Speaker 1: too much pressure. It's hard enough for most people to
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Speaker 1: go to work every day and put in a full day.
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Speaker 1: They're exhausted at the end of the day. But entertainers
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Speaker 1: are different. Remember Michael Jackson, possibly one of the greatest
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Speaker 1: entertainment entertainers of all time. He could not punch a
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Speaker 1: clock to save his neck. He could not show up
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Speaker 1: every day under any circumstances. He just couldn't do it.
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Speaker 1: Of course, he's child molester. That said, he was still
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Speaker 1: one of the greatest talents that ever lived. But imagine
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Speaker 1: Brittany being forced to go to her Vegas residency every
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Speaker 1: single night, and then she couldn't even drive on her
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Speaker 1: own after she's making money for all of her family,
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Speaker 1: they're like living off her like ticks. I'm sure she
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Speaker 1: was angry and didn't want to go to work. That
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Speaker 1: pressure was unbearable. Now, this pressure to continue to perform,
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Speaker 1: that's a lot.
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Speaker 2: It is a lot. She spoke about this in her
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Speaker 2: book and her memoir and she talks about exactly how angry.
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Speaker 2: That's the word, Nancy. She was doing all those shows
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Speaker 2: in Vegas. She felt like a circus animal. She was
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Speaker 2: pushed out there to do the shows, and then she
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Speaker 2: claims her family took all her money. However, Brittany has
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Speaker 2: also claimed that she's happiest when she's on stage. When
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Speaker 2: Britney does shows, it gives her a structure. This is
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Speaker 2: somebody from a very early age who learned how to
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Speaker 2: do this. We see her in her own private time
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Speaker 2: in these videos performing. She is a performer, and so
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Speaker 2: I would argue that there might actually be a benefit
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Speaker 2: to this, maybe not doing eight shows a week, but
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Speaker 2: doing a couple of shows each week. It gives us
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Speaker 2: something to do, It gives us something to focus on,
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Speaker 2: and she loves it. She loves it.
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Speaker 1: Sueter europe r Guru all joking Asai. You're the author
20:45
Speaker 1: of the bestseller book It started with a whisper. But
20:48
Speaker 1: I don't think you're a licensed psychologist, much less a
20:52
Speaker 1: psychiatrist which has a medical degree. Are you? Did you
20:55
Speaker 1: somehow pick that up over in London before you landed here.
21:00
Speaker 2: I am not not CEO.
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Speaker 4: Correct.
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Speaker 1: No, okay, so I do know that you're familiar with.
21:07
Speaker 1: Let's just go with battered battered woman syndrome. In other words,
21:13
Speaker 1: you're used to something it's bad for you, but you
21:17
Speaker 1: continue to stay in it because you don't know about
21:21
Speaker 1: another life. You say, she's happiest when she's entertaining. She
21:25
Speaker 1: has been sexualized and entertaining since she was a little child.
21:30
Speaker 1: She's been entertaining since she was a Disney kid. Remember
21:33
Speaker 1: she was, you know, on camera with Disney when she was,
21:37
Speaker 1: you know, under twelve years old. She's a star, immediate star.
21:42
Speaker 1: Then after she left Disney, not while she was at Disney,
21:46
Speaker 1: she became sexualized. This is her life, this is all
21:50
Speaker 1: she knows. So even if it's bad for her, she
21:53
Speaker 1: may want to go back to it. Like battered women,
21:55
Speaker 1: they go back to the batterer because they don't know
21:57
Speaker 1: anything else, and if they do leave that bad, they
22:00
Speaker 1: seek out another one because that is what they are
22:04
Speaker 1: used to, that is what they're familiar with, so it's
22:07
Speaker 1: okay with them until it gets unbearable. Again.
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Speaker 2: It's a very interesting theory answer. I take your points,
22:17
Speaker 2: but I also know just my own personal self here
22:20
Speaker 2: and not speaking as a therapist, which I'm not working
22:23
Speaker 2: an enormous amount of joy. Work can give you a
22:26
Speaker 2: structure to your life. On days that my life feel
22:29
Speaker 2: out of control, I often jump into work, and I
22:32
Speaker 2: think that Britney Spears might benefit from doing the same.
22:36
Speaker 2: She knows how to do this. We've seen her dancing,
22:39
Speaker 2: performing at home in front of the camera. She clearly
22:42
Speaker 2: misses it because she's doing this in her private life,
22:45
Speaker 2: So why not do it on stage? Why not go
22:47
Speaker 2: back to Vegas? Why not do something that she loves?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Sheeter. It seems to me like maybe you do
22:56
Speaker 1: have your pH d in psychology or psychiatry, because you're right,
23:03
Speaker 1: she seems happier when she's working and it gives her
23:07
Speaker 1: a reason to live outside of her children. So again,
23:11
Speaker 1: you're looking at it from a different vantage point than
23:13
Speaker 1: I am. P R Wise, she needs to not put
23:17
Speaker 1: it out there that rehab is a nightmare. It's a
23:21
Speaker 1: horror chamber. What should she be doing.
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Speaker 2: She should be doing the work, She should be recovering.
23:30
Speaker 2: She should figure out a way to find happiness within herself.
23:34
Speaker 2: I think after she leaves the rehab she needs a
23:37
Speaker 2: structure in her life. I'm already hearing from my sources
23:40
Speaker 2: that they might move out of la completely. They might
23:43
Speaker 2: go back to Louisiana, which is where she's from. She's
23:46
Speaker 2: visited there a lot of times, and she's even spent
23:49
Speaker 2: time there with her sister and family members. She needs
23:52
Speaker 2: a new life, she needs to find happiness.
23:56
Speaker 1: I've got two real life examples for you as to
23:58
Speaker 1: why that's a good idea. You know, I love Jessica
24:02
Speaker 1: Fletcher aka Angela Lansbury. She told me lover. She told
24:10
Speaker 1: me personally as a surprise. I think it was my birthday.
24:14
Speaker 1: My husband we flew to DC. I didn't know why
24:18
Speaker 1: we were going, and we got there and it was
24:22
Speaker 1: to see her on stage in blithe spirit. She was amazing.
24:28
Speaker 1: She even in her age in the eighties, she out
24:31
Speaker 1: shown everybody else on this stage. She was phenomenal and
24:34
Speaker 1: I got to meet her in person. I was watching
24:36
Speaker 1: her for years and she amazingly knew about the twins.
24:40
Speaker 1: And she told me that she took her children out
24:44
Speaker 1: of LA. They went back to Ireland. I think she
24:48
Speaker 1: told me to get them away from the drug and
24:51
Speaker 1: alcohol influence in LA. She was a great mom. And
24:58
Speaker 1: here is my other I told you to that's one.
25:00
Speaker 1: Here's the second one. When I lived in LA during
25:03
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, took my children to the playground.
25:07
Speaker 1: Lucy was three, My little baby was three. She came
25:11
Speaker 1: off the playground playing with the other LA toddlers and
25:14
Speaker 1: she said, I want to paint my nails and get
25:16
Speaker 1: my ears pierced, and I want your lipstick. Mom. We
25:20
Speaker 1: moved home like that. No inn Oh, so your point
25:24
Speaker 1: is well taken. Now, Rob Shooter, last question, do you
25:27
Speaker 1: how many times do you want me to say? It
25:29
Speaker 1: started with a whisper. Climbing the charts on Amazon. Bestseller
25:34
Speaker 1: first released novel of Rob Shooter.
25:39
Speaker 2: Is two Times You're the Best nas.
25:43
Speaker 1: It started with a whisper. It started with a whisper.
25:46
Speaker 1: Thank you, Rob Shooter. Pete R. Guru joining us tonight.
25:49
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the law. Kat Schullenberger Daily Mail
25:55
Speaker 1: you dickon from May four as the court date. Yes,
25:59
Speaker 1: that's correct. It's interesting that we all know the court date,
26:03
Speaker 1: but nobody seems to be able to definitively say where
26:06
Speaker 1: is Britney Spears tonight. We've got a few front runners
26:11
Speaker 1: for her luxuryhab but still can't kneel it down. I'm
26:14
Speaker 1: with you, I'm with you straight out now to veteran
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer Randy Kessler joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
26:23
Speaker 1: He is a veteran trial lawyer. He was the chairman
26:27
Speaker 1: of the ABA, that's the American Bar Association Family Loss Section.
26:32
Speaker 1: That ain't easy. I'd better try a serial killer than
26:36
Speaker 1: get in between a domestic They will shoot the lawyer.
26:39
Speaker 1: Absolutely take a shot at you, author of divorce. Protect yourself,
26:44
Speaker 1: your kids, your future, Randy Kessler. We heard earlier that
26:51
Speaker 1: DUI is a serious crime. It's actually a misdemeanor. It's
26:57
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor where the max you're going to get is
27:00
Speaker 1: twelve months or less, and by her voluntarily going to
27:03
Speaker 1: a rehab many judges will take that in loo jail time.
27:09
Speaker 1: We do know she was handcuffed, booked, released rather than
27:13
Speaker 1: being put in long term detention. But this is a
27:17
Speaker 1: charge of Relief, Site and Release. What is that.
27:22
Speaker 5: Right?
27:23
Speaker 7: They here? They released her. I mean, it's as straightforward
27:26
Speaker 7: as it can be. She's not going to be able
27:29
Speaker 7: to hide from anyone. They're not worried about her being
27:31
Speaker 7: an escape or a flight risk. Everybody knows who she is.
27:34
Speaker 7: She would be found in a second.
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Speaker 4: Look.
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Speaker 7: Money solves some problems, and the goal of our system
27:40
Speaker 7: is not to punish, it's to rehabilitate until it gets
27:43
Speaker 7: to a point, Like you said, when there's a dead body.
27:44
Speaker 7: We want her to get back into society. We want
27:47
Speaker 7: to help her. And fortunately for her, she's got resources,
27:51
Speaker 7: she's got money, and she uses that money for the
27:53
Speaker 7: right reasons, like going to rehab, like taking ownership of
27:56
Speaker 7: her issues. Even if it's a little bit after the
27:59
Speaker 7: fact or a lot after the fact, it's better than
28:01
Speaker 7: sticking her in jail and hoping that she learns lesson
28:04
Speaker 7: that way, rehab is a better place for her. Site
28:07
Speaker 7: and Release lets her focus on her life, and she's
28:09
Speaker 7: doing the right thing. You can say it's for the
28:11
Speaker 7: wrong reason. You can say it's for her kids, you
28:14
Speaker 7: can say it's so she doesn't lose her job. It
28:17
Speaker 7: doesn't matter. She's doing it right, if we get people
28:19
Speaker 7: to do the right thing, even for the wrong reason,
28:21
Speaker 7: it's still a good thing.
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Speaker 1: Right, Well, we all agree that rehab is a good thing.
28:26
Speaker 1: It's very hard for me to take in you were
28:28
Speaker 1: the chair of the ABA Family Law section and your
28:31
Speaker 1: analysis is it's a good thing. Can we talk about
28:36
Speaker 1: what's going to happen on May four? Okay, May four,
28:40
Speaker 1: she's going to court. What's going to happen.
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Speaker 7: Well, she's gonna be in front of the judge. She's
28:45
Speaker 7: going to have to decide whether to plead guilty or
28:47
Speaker 7: not guilty, and of course she's going to plead not guilty,
28:50
Speaker 7: and they're going to try to work out a plea
28:52
Speaker 7: arrangement and may happen before then.
28:53
Speaker 4: Right, you've been there.
28:55
Speaker 7: If you were the prosecutor and I was the defense lawyer,
28:58
Speaker 7: we'd be talking as much as we could. Everyone wants
29:00
Speaker 7: to avoid this, unless you have a prosecutor who just
29:03
Speaker 7: wants to be in front of the press, which doesn't
29:05
Speaker 7: seem to be the case. Most prosecutors are very good
29:07
Speaker 7: people and they want to do the right thing. This
29:09
Speaker 7: is a case where a defense will have a lot
29:11
Speaker 7: of money. They can throw a lot of resources at it.
29:13
Speaker 7: So the prosecution has a lot to lose and defense
29:16
Speaker 7: has a lot to lose. It's not just going to jail.
29:18
Speaker 7: It's not just punishment. It's her whole public image. If
29:21
Speaker 7: she ever wants to make a comeback, if she wants
29:23
Speaker 7: to do this tour with Madonna, this needs to go away.
29:25
Speaker 7: It needs to be out of the public eye. It
29:27
Speaker 7: needs not to be on your show. She needs to
29:30
Speaker 7: try to make it go away. If there's any possibility
29:32
Speaker 7: of it going away before May fourth, they're exploring it.
29:34
Speaker 7: But if it doesn't go away, May fourth w scheduling orders.
29:37
Speaker 7: They'll be telling everybody when it's going to go to
29:39
Speaker 7: trial or what the next steps will be.
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Speaker 4: This is not the trial. This is the initial appearance.
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Speaker 1: The offense. The alleged dui was March for twenty twenty six.
29:52
Speaker 1: Here is Britney Spears on Insta April ten, about one
29:57
Speaker 1: month later, twenty twenty six. How is this helping her?
30:03
Speaker 1: How is this helping her case? Randy Kessler, you can
30:06
Speaker 1: take it down now, control room, as much as you
30:08
Speaker 1: want to continue playing it, how is that helping her?
30:12
Speaker 7: I mean, and unless the judge is a super fan,
30:15
Speaker 7: it's not helping her case. But it does show that
30:17
Speaker 7: the rehab is appropriate, right that she's now taking ownership.
30:20
Speaker 7: So whether she had an issue, whether she's got a
30:23
Speaker 7: problem with alcohol, whether she's got a problem with you know,
30:25
Speaker 7: thinking about what's appropriate or what's not, it's not what
30:29
Speaker 7: she did, then, it's what's she doing since then do
30:31
Speaker 7: we put her in jail to try to fix her
30:32
Speaker 7: and try to punish her, or do we let her
30:34
Speaker 7: try to get healed on her own, dime on her
30:36
Speaker 7: own Nickel.
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Speaker 1: In rehab, Max Minor joining our CEO executive treatment solutions
30:42
Speaker 1: for well healed clients like celebrities, like executives that can
30:46
Speaker 1: choose a fancy rehab versus jail. We just heard kelser
30:51
Speaker 1: pose a question. I faced it many many times, except
30:55
Speaker 1: again when I had an HB an HV habitual violator.
30:59
Speaker 1: Typically someone was dead or the HV had had Sometimes
31:04
Speaker 1: I remember one thirty six do UIs before I finally
31:08
Speaker 1: prosecuted him on a felony, that said, do you believe
31:12
Speaker 1: people can dry out rehab in jail?
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Speaker 5: It definitely serves a purpose. I know it did for myself.
31:20
Speaker 5: The reality is that it does serve a purpose. And
31:23
Speaker 5: you know, with that being said, though everyone knows it's
31:27
Speaker 5: it's a well, it's not a big secret La County Jail.
31:31
Speaker 5: You can get whatever you want, you know, from alcohol
31:33
Speaker 5: to drugs to needles. I mean literally, you know, everything's
31:37
Speaker 5: on the table. So I believe it serves a purpose
31:40
Speaker 5: to stabilize individuals. I believe it serves a short term purpose.
31:44
Speaker 5: But in reality, long term, when we're talking long term rehabilitation,
31:48
Speaker 5: actual change that needs to take place outside of the
31:53
Speaker 5: confines of LA County Jail or A County jail or
31:56
Speaker 5: prison max minor.
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Speaker 1: I think, and of course I'm not an expert like
32:00
Speaker 1: you are, but I think it's not just getting dried
32:03
Speaker 1: out and going for a period of time without alcohol,
32:06
Speaker 1: because that demon alcoholism. It's an illness. It really is
32:11
Speaker 1: like a monkey on your back and you have to
32:14
Speaker 1: fight it every single day. It's hard. It's very hard.
32:20
Speaker 1: When I have gone to find witnesses or see if
32:25
Speaker 1: a defendant is you're really going to AA. There's a
32:29
Speaker 1: line wrapped around the building waiting for AA to start.
32:32
Speaker 1: People go. As you were hearing Kat Schollenberger describing up
32:36
Speaker 1: to four times a day just to stay sober, it's
32:40
Speaker 1: really hard. So in jail you get dried out because
32:44
Speaker 1: you can't get alcohol. But there are other issues that
32:48
Speaker 1: play emotional issues, physical issues, mental issues that are not
32:54
Speaker 1: solved in jail.
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Speaker 5: Correct, correct, And the reality is that they're not going
33:00
Speaker 5: to be solved in a place like that because in
33:03
Speaker 5: order for the really rehabilitation process to begin, you have
33:06
Speaker 5: to be in a rehabilitative environment, and county jail prison
33:12
Speaker 5: your in survival mode. And that's not to say that
33:15
Speaker 5: people can't make great strides in their own recovery, because
33:18
Speaker 5: people do it. There's success stories. But the reality is
33:21
Speaker 5: for the average individual, as you stated, Nancy, you know,
33:24
Speaker 5: it's hard enough just to get through the day, just
33:26
Speaker 5: to go to work, just to provide for your family.
33:30
Speaker 5: Now you throw untreated alcoholism or substance abuse on top
33:33
Speaker 5: of all that, and it gets really stressful, really quick.
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Speaker 4: So I agree with you.
33:38
Speaker 5: You know, you have to be in an environment where
33:41
Speaker 5: you can start to address these issues and really figure
33:44
Speaker 5: out what those parts about you are.
33:47
Speaker 1: That need to change. Max. How did you get well?
33:52
Speaker 5: Well, I spent six months inside Lle County Jail while
33:56
Speaker 5: you know, we were figuring my case out, and then
33:58
Speaker 5: I spent over a year in a long term highly structured,
34:03
Speaker 5: highly structured treatment environment. And this was more behavioral modification.
34:08
Speaker 5: It wasn't exactly you know, focused on the clinical, but
34:12
Speaker 5: it's exactly what I needed, Nancy. I needed to be
34:15
Speaker 5: you know, I needed to have the mirror shoved in
34:16
Speaker 5: my face and I needed to be told the truth
34:19
Speaker 5: about myself. And if it wasn't for that experience, if
34:22
Speaker 5: it wasn't for getting arrested, I am one hundred percent
34:25
Speaker 5: positive I would not be here today. So I'm grateful
34:28
Speaker 5: for that opportunity.
34:29
Speaker 1: You know, Max, Just think about the opportunity that Britney
34:32
Speaker 1: Spears has right now. What she can mean to other
34:35
Speaker 1: people they're battling alcoholism or drug addiction. She could become
34:42
Speaker 1: the face of recovery and aspire so many people. Crime
34:53
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace also joining me in addition to
35:01
Speaker 1: our all Star panel is colleague, a friend, a longtime
35:07
Speaker 1: friend of mine. Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matck is
35:12
Speaker 1: joining you. Dave, you have your own perspective about what's
35:17
Speaker 1: happening with Brittany.
35:19
Speaker 4: I do, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: I've watched Brittany over the years, and we have seen
35:25
Speaker 8: her behavior spiral at different times on a totally personal level.
35:30
Speaker 8: I see what Brittany is up against, Nancy, and what
35:33
Speaker 8: you're saying is so accurate.
35:35
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you're saying this.
35:37
Speaker 8: It's way different to stop using alcohol or drugs versus
35:42
Speaker 8: living a sober life getting your life back on track.
35:46
Speaker 8: And when you stop drinking but don't grow, you don't
35:49
Speaker 8: have any support. It's called being on a dry drunk
35:52
Speaker 8: and that's where we have to get. Britney has to
35:55
Speaker 8: get over that hump and actually get into a recovery
35:58
Speaker 8: program that will help her get to.
36:01
Speaker 4: The bottom of what's going on and she can find
36:04
Speaker 4: a whole new life.
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Speaker 8: It's out there. There are great examples, and Nancy, you
36:07
Speaker 8: hit the nail on the head. Bless her heart. She
36:10
Speaker 8: could change lives if she will grasp sobriety and follow up,
36:16
Speaker 8: you know, hit meetings and do what she has to
36:18
Speaker 8: do to live a sober life. Doing a concert in
36:21
Speaker 8: June is nothing doing a concert ten years from now.
36:25
Speaker 1: Okay, soday, how did you get well?
36:30
Speaker 4: I ended up like many people, Nancy.
36:32
Speaker 8: I ended up in jail, and I sat there for
36:36
Speaker 8: a couple of days and realized that my drinking had
36:41
Speaker 8: my decisions.
36:42
Speaker 4: My best decision has landed me in jail.
36:45
Speaker 8: And when I got out of jail, finally I said,
36:48
Speaker 8: you know what, that's it, And so I actually went
36:52
Speaker 8: to the phone book, Nancy and looked up AA Alcoholics Anonymous.
36:55
Speaker 8: I can tell you I was there, can't tell you
36:56
Speaker 8: anyone else was there. But that's what I got. And
37:00
Speaker 8: this is many many years ago before a lot of programs.
37:02
Speaker 8: I am a huge fan of long term programs. As
37:06
Speaker 8: you know, that is what I do in my private life.
37:08
Speaker 8: I help others find sobriety, and I always push for
37:13
Speaker 8: the long term. You don't correct a lifetime problem in
37:17
Speaker 8: twenty eight days. That's what insurance pays for. There are
37:20
Speaker 8: programs that are much longer that really do get you
37:24
Speaker 8: the solid footing you need. And for me, A worked.
37:28
Speaker 4: It was phenomenal.
37:29
Speaker 8: I actually learned so much about myself and it's you know,
37:34
Speaker 8: thirty five years later, I just you know, I thank
37:37
Speaker 8: you for allowing me to share that. But without without jail,
37:41
Speaker 8: and without a Nancy, I wouldn't be here.
37:43
Speaker 1: Dave Mac our friend and our chief investigative reporter for
37:48
Speaker 1: crime Stories, and Dave, you and I have been together
37:52
Speaker 1: for how many years?
37:54
Speaker 4: Well over ten, fifteen or six yeah, fifteen.
37:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least at least now joining me is a
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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer out of this jurisdiction. Philip Dubay, La
38:09
Speaker 1: County Public Defender. Again, I can't say it enough, veteran
38:14
Speaker 1: trial lawyer Debay. Will the judge bring down the hammer?
38:21
Speaker 1: Will the judge make Britney Spears go to jail? How
38:24
Speaker 1: does it work? How do you leave rehab and go
38:27
Speaker 1: to jail? And what go back to rehab? How do
38:29
Speaker 1: they know you don't stop at a bar on the way?
38:31
Speaker 1: How do we know the driver? I've heard of a
38:33
Speaker 1: lot of celebrities that tell their driver, Famous celebrities, you'd
38:37
Speaker 1: be very surprised they would tell their driver, don't pick
38:41
Speaker 1: me up without a fifth. So a lot can happen
38:46
Speaker 1: on the way to that court date and on the
38:48
Speaker 1: way back to rehab. So will the judge bring down
38:52
Speaker 1: the hammer? Will the judge put Britney Spears in handcuffs
38:55
Speaker 1: again and send her to jail? When she's shop to
39:00
Speaker 1: court on May four? Provoker bond?
39:04
Speaker 3: The general rule is that if you walk into court,
39:06
Speaker 3: you'll walk out of court. As long as she makes
39:08
Speaker 3: her court dates, she follows all the court orders, she.
39:11
Speaker 1: Will be fined.
39:12
Speaker 3: It is a mere first time misdemeanor DUI that has
39:17
Speaker 3: a capital of six months in custody California. And the
39:21
Speaker 3: fact that she isn't really have and is probably going
39:24
Speaker 3: to have an escort by the program to court tells
39:28
Speaker 3: the court that she is actually taking the charges very seriously.
39:32
Speaker 3: So it is highly highly unlikely that she will be remanded.
39:37
Speaker 1: When you say highly unlikely she will be remanded, you
39:40
Speaker 1: may sent to jail now right now. Behind the scenes.
39:44
Speaker 1: I'm sure Britney Spears has some pretty high priced lawyers.
39:48
Speaker 1: This is what I think is going to happen when
39:51
Speaker 1: you don't know a horse deby. Look at the track record.
39:54
Speaker 1: Could you put up the graph the screen of Britney
39:57
Speaker 1: Spears known pry or driving infractions. If you will notice,
40:04
Speaker 1: Philip Dubay, she does not have any previous duy conviction.
40:11
Speaker 1: Everything that has happened, I guarantee you, and I bet
40:15
Speaker 1: Max Miner and Dave matt will agree she was under
40:18
Speaker 1: the influence of something two thousand and seven, twenty nineteen,
40:22
Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty three, now twenty six, and there are
40:27
Speaker 1: other occasions where she was not pulled over. I mean
40:30
Speaker 1: we saw her driving erratically after drinking a liquid at
40:34
Speaker 1: a bar toasting the crowd. As she left, she was enabled.
40:39
Speaker 1: Somebody basically poured her into her car and she hit
40:42
Speaker 1: the road. That said she's never had a DUI conviction
40:46
Speaker 1: before because some really good lawyers kept her out of it.
40:51
Speaker 3: I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.
40:53
Speaker 3: But let's assume she did have a prior California has
40:56
Speaker 3: a ten year washout period, meaning that ten years after conviction,
41:01
Speaker 3: it's not that it is removed from your record, but
41:03
Speaker 3: it is no longer priorable, meaning it cannot be considered
41:07
Speaker 3: as a prior conviction. There are exceptions if there's a
41:10
Speaker 3: homicide involved while under the influence behind the wheel. But
41:15
Speaker 3: I can tell you now that just based on those
41:17
Speaker 3: mirrored infractions that she had on her record for an
41:20
Speaker 3: unsafe lane or lane change or speeding, the court's not
41:24
Speaker 3: even going to look at that stuff. The court's going
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Speaker 3: to look at actual criminal convictions.
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Speaker 1: Kate Schullenberger joining us head of Live News at dailymail
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Speaker 1: dot com. Kate, what do we expect to happen on
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Speaker 1: May four? And I guess she'll come out of rehab
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Speaker 1: for the day. I hope not drive to the courthouse
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Speaker 1: and then return. What's going to happen in court? The
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Speaker 1: judge could revoke rbond and sent her to jail on
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Speaker 1: that day. Yes, that's correct.
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Speaker 6: She's going to appear in front of the judge, as
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Speaker 6: one of the other panelists mentions, potentially plead not guilty
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Speaker 6: and ultimately take accountability or then go to return to
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Speaker 6: rehab and take accountability for her actions, you know, looking
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Speaker 6: at her her previous history of you know, all the
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Speaker 6: things that she's been through with mental health challenges, you know, arrests,
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Speaker 6: her record, substance abuse and everything. We really hope and
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Speaker 6: her fans hope that this is the turning point for her,
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Speaker 6: you know, especially now that her children are involved. They're
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Speaker 6: the only ones that she really listens to. And they
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Speaker 6: were so loving and so kind towards her, but also
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Speaker 6: firm and like I said, this was an absolute non
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Speaker 6: negotiable for them. They said that she needed to get help,
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Speaker 6: and they told her they wouldn't take no for an answer,
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Speaker 6: and she didn't fight them, she but she did drag
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Speaker 6: her feet and she will do this for them, and
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Speaker 6: they said, Mom, you need to go if you want
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Speaker 6: us to come back around. And that was all the
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Speaker 6: incentive that she needed. She wants to maintain a relationship
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Speaker 6: with them, which would have ultimately been jeopardized if she
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Speaker 6: didn't go. So I think she will, you know, act
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Speaker 6: according to the law and you know, return back to
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Speaker 6: rehab and pay her due diligence just so she can
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Speaker 6: stay in her children's lives. We've gleaned a lot of
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Speaker 6: that from her memoir too. That's also that she really
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Speaker 6: talked about in her memoir that her children are the
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Speaker 6: most important thing to her. So she will take the
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Speaker 6: steps to shoe back healthy, happy, and hopefully get her
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Speaker 6: life back on track.
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Speaker 1: Back to Dave mac joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true that reports surface that on the last
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Speaker 1: DUI incident there were drugs in the car?
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Speaker 8: There were, Nancy, Now, we have not been told exactly
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Speaker 8: what they are yet, but it has been widely reported
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Speaker 8: that Brittany has she likes adderall as her primary dooc
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Speaker 8: her drug of choice.
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Speaker 4: And that's what probably was in the vehicle, But we
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Speaker 4: don't know.
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Speaker 8: It could have been any number of things, and that
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Speaker 8: will have a lot to do with what happens in
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Speaker 8: court as well.
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Speaker 1: How does that change the equation Max Minor. He is
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Speaker 1: the CEO of Executive Treatments Solutions.
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Speaker 5: So I mean, you know, speaking to you know, what's
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Speaker 5: going to happen on May fourth is that she will
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Speaker 5: have a letter from the facility what's called an enrollment letter.
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Speaker 5: She will present it, her team will present it. And
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Speaker 5: again we're not talking about anything of you know, great
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Speaker 5: amounts here in terms of the Adderall the reality is
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Speaker 5: is that you know, she has an opportunity here to
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Speaker 5: kind of make this go away. I mean, let's just
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Speaker 5: call it for what it is. This is all can
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Speaker 5: be very easily made just you know, slip into the background.
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Speaker 5: All she has to do is go through the process. Now,
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Speaker 5: you know where I get so passionate what we do
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Speaker 5: with our clients is that we require more and it's
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Speaker 5: going to be very interesting to see, you know, what
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Speaker 5: she decides to do, whether she decides to just do
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Speaker 5: this and go through the motions, or actually take this
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Speaker 5: seriously and take this opportunity to change. But I really
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Speaker 5: the adderall you know, I can't imagine it being a
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Speaker 5: large amount. It really is not going to it's not
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Speaker 5: going to change anything.
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Speaker 1: Do they What do you think is going to happen
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Speaker 1: in court very quickly.
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Speaker 3: I think all that's going to happen is they're going
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Speaker 3: to interruptly if not guilty, and put the matter over
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Speaker 3: for a pre trial and see if they can resolve
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Speaker 3: the case with a settlement of probation, no jail time.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds that court date May four,
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Speaker 1: and now we remember an American hero officer, Jason Campbell,
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Speaker 1: Greenville PD, North Carolina, killed in the line of duty
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Speaker 1: after ten years on the force. He leaves behind a
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Speaker 1: wife now widow, Chantale, and two children, Ashley and Zachary,
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Speaker 1: without a dad. American hero Officer Jason Campbell. Nancy Gray
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend, thank you,