Latest / Becker’s Healthcare - Clinical Leadership Podcast / Stacey Conklin, CNO of Montefiore Nyack Hospital
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- 0:00Welcome to the Becker's healthcare clinical leadership podcast.
- 0:03I'm Mariah Taylor, assistant editor, and I'm thrilled
- 0:06to be speaking with Stacy Conklin, chief nursing
- 0:09officer at Montefiore Nyack Hospital.
- 0:11Thank you so much for joining me, Stacy.
- 0:13I'm really excited to learn more about how
- 0:15you're strategizing the use of AI in clinical
- 0:18care. But before we get into that, I'd
- 0:20love for you to introduce yourself and tell
- 0:22us a little bit more about your background.
- 0:24Thank you so much, Mariah. It is great
- 0:27to be here. I'm super excited to speak
- 0:29with you,
- 0:30about AI.
- 0:32As you mentioned, I'm the chief nursing officer
- 0:34at Montefiore Nyack Hospital.
- 0:36Prior to that, I was a chief nursing
- 0:39officer at a very similar size organization in
- 0:41Long Island, New York,
- 0:43and that was,
- 0:45not too long ago. I started here in
- 0:47February
- 0:482026.
- 0:49And prior to my role as a chief
- 0:52nursing officer, I worked in information technology,
- 0:55for several years,
- 0:57and I was actually a chief information officer
- 0:59at a hospital on Long Island.
- 1:01So bringing,
- 1:03all of my informatics skills,
- 1:05together with my nursing skills here to Montefiore
- 1:08Nyack Hospital and to speak with you about
- 1:11how AI can impact an organization and health
- 1:14care in general,
- 1:16is very near and dear to me, so
- 1:17I'm really excited to be here and looking
- 1:19forward to our talk.
- 1:22Yes. And we're excited to have you here.
- 1:24I know you have quite the background both
- 1:26in information technology
- 1:28and nursing, which puts you in a pretty
- 1:30unique position to speak on AI and how
- 1:33to make it work,
- 1:34especially when it comes to smaller hospitals. So
- 1:38I think as many leaders know when you're
- 1:39at a large health system,
- 1:41there are entire AI governance teams, innovation labs,
- 1:44dedicated budgets, a lot of resources that you
- 1:47can put into AI. But you're working if
- 1:49you're working at a smaller community hospital
- 1:52or facility, you often don't have those kinds
- 1:55of resources.
- 1:56So
- 1:57rather than framing that as a disadvantage,
- 2:00how are you using your resource constraints to
- 2:02actually focus a sharper, more disciplined approach to
- 2:05AI?
- 2:07Sure. That's a great question. And,
- 2:10you know, I I thought about this a
- 2:11little bit. And many community hospitals nowadays
- 2:15are part of large health systems as we
- 2:18are here at Montefiore Nyack health system. I
- 2:20mean, not Montefiore Nyack hospital,
- 2:22and we are part of the Montefiore health
- 2:25system.
- 2:25So, actually, we do follow a similar path.
- 2:29We have a governance process here as well,
- 2:33and the governance structure is set by the
- 2:35health system with input from all hospitals. And
- 2:38most large health systems
- 2:40have similar
- 2:42processes,
- 2:43and I would I would argue that coming
- 2:45from a smaller hospital as well, governance is
- 2:48key.
- 2:49For here at Montefiore Nyack, the executives at
- 2:52each site weigh in
- 2:54on what may be most important, and then
- 2:56the governance group uses this information to determine
- 3:00where to make the investments.
- 3:01Where is where is health care going.
- 3:04When speaking about nursing, how can AI or
- 3:07technology
- 3:08improve the care that we provide to our
- 3:10patients, improve patient outcomes, decrease workload?
- 3:13So there's a lot of different,
- 3:16I guess, strategies that you can look at
- 3:19and figure out as an organization what's most
- 3:21important to you, what's most important to your
- 3:24community, and the staff that you're serving.
- 3:26Since coming, to Montefiore NIACC, I have been
- 3:29learning a lot about this process, specifically how
- 3:32nursing fits into the governance structure.
- 3:34I've been asked to be part of of
- 3:36quite a few,
- 3:38information technology meetings, and one of them being
- 3:40a governance meeting.
- 3:42So I do think,
- 3:43you're right
- 3:44that,
- 3:45it can be harder and more challenging perhaps,
- 3:49for a smaller community hospital.
- 3:52But in this instance,
- 3:53most of those nowadays are part of a
- 3:55larger organization, and they tend to fit into
- 3:58the structure in one way or another.
- 4:01Absolutely.
- 4:02Now I know a lot of hospitals right
- 4:04now are wrestling with the question of, do
- 4:07they build, do they buy, do they wait?
- 4:09Where does your organization land on that spectrum,
- 4:12and how has your answer changed as AI
- 4:15has matured over the last eighteen months?
- 4:17Sure.
- 4:18That's also a great question.
- 4:20I think, technology is evolving
- 4:23way faster than any of us can really
- 4:25keep up with,
- 4:27which is why a strong governance model is
- 4:29key.
- 4:30And I do think that,
- 4:34having
- 4:35experts
- 4:36really looking at
- 4:38what's already out there,
- 4:41what we're looking what problems we're looking to
- 4:43solve. Do we need an app? Do we
- 4:45need,
- 4:47a lot
- 4:48of, more information,
- 4:50and more tools to improve documentation?
- 4:54It really does depend
- 4:56on what the strategy of the organization is.
- 4:59I think from my, limited exposure here at
- 5:03Montefiore NIACC,
- 5:05being here just a few months, I can
- 5:07say that they are looking at that right
- 5:10now
- 5:11to decide,
- 5:12again, what where we want to focus
- 5:15as well as what's most important.
- 5:18And there is a
- 5:20large group,
- 5:22at Montefiore Health System that does build a
- 5:25lot of
- 5:27applications and
- 5:28provides us with a lot of data reporting
- 5:31and,
- 5:33our ability to drill down on the information
- 5:35that we have at our fingertips
- 5:38allows us to really make
- 5:40quality
- 5:41and, patient experience
- 5:43top of mind,
- 5:44for
- 5:45the executives
- 5:46all the way down to,
- 5:48managers and staff.
- 5:50So
- 5:51we are employing some AI technology now in
- 5:54partnership with our EMR vendor.
- 5:57So a lot of partnerships and joint ventures
- 6:00are probably the answer to this where some
- 6:03are building, some are buying.
- 6:05And I think waiting generally,
- 6:08works when you work with technology vendors that
- 6:11are piloting other,
- 6:13technologies
- 6:14and watching how they do
- 6:17what they do and tweaking it. Because sometimes
- 6:20going first has benefits, and it also has
- 6:22a little bit of risk because you are
- 6:25responsible for
- 6:28working out the kinks prior to the next
- 6:30person.
- 6:31So I think,
- 6:32I think it's probably a combination of all
- 6:36that everybody is looking at. And I think
- 6:38this organization,
- 6:40at Montefiore
- 6:41is doing a little bit of all three
- 6:43of those.
- 6:45Excellent.
- 6:46And now we all know AI can do,
- 6:48like, a thousand, a 100,000 different functions and
- 6:52options.
- 6:53So what are the AI capabilities that you're
- 6:55most focused on either building or acquiring?
- 6:59So right now, I can say I'll speak
- 7:02specifically for nursing on this.
- 7:04We actually are rolling out just a little
- 7:06bit of AI right now to really help
- 7:09decrease the workload,
- 7:10for the nursing staff
- 7:12and really help us tell the patient's story.
- 7:16And I think that's working out really well.
- 7:18I've been on the unit with the staff
- 7:21as we're rolling this out, and, really, it's
- 7:23summarizing
- 7:24all of the input that the staff have
- 7:27have
- 7:28made into the medical record about their patient
- 7:31and giving us a summary at the end
- 7:33of their shift
- 7:34stating all the things that went on with
- 7:37the patient for the day.
- 7:39And what that does is it helps the
- 7:42nurse summarize
- 7:43the the events for their entire shift, and
- 7:46it also helps tell the story to those
- 7:49that are coming behind that nurse either as
- 7:52the next nurse or as a physician that's
- 7:54trying to understand what happened with the patient.
- 7:56It could be a consultant. It could be,
- 7:59the physical therapist.
- 8:00So it's really incorporating
- 8:02the entire shift, and it does take into
- 8:05account the plan of care for the patient
- 8:07and, helps us understand
- 8:10how that patient is progressing, throughout the shift.
- 8:13And when you take those reports,
- 8:15each shift, shift by shift, and you put
- 8:17them all together, that that summary
- 8:19tells the entire story of the patient's journey
- 8:22while they're here at the hospital
- 8:24and really helps everybody
- 8:26understand
- 8:27what the patient's needs are,
- 8:29and and really improve the outcomes and the
- 8:31care that we're providing to our patients. So
- 8:34so, really, I think focusing on improving outcomes
- 8:38for our patients as well as
- 8:41decreasing workload,
- 8:42for the staff that are providing that care,
- 8:45whether it's helping to summarize,
- 8:47information or bringing up information based on the
- 8:50patient's diagnosis.
- 8:52So there are there are tools at your
- 8:54fingertips to help you
- 8:57provide better care and at a in a
- 8:59more timely manner so that you're more efficient
- 9:01and you can actually spend more time with
- 9:04the patient taking care of them than you
- 9:06are documenting, summarizing, or looking up information.
- 9:10Absolutely.
- 9:11That's a very cool way to be using
- 9:13AI.
- 9:14Now as you've been rolling out that tool,
- 9:16what has the frontline nurse buy in looked
- 9:19like? And is it easier to get nurses
- 9:22onboard with AI?
- 9:25I think there's,
- 9:27reluctance in some instances,
- 9:29and I think rightfully so. Right? There's a
- 9:32lot of things about AI
- 9:34that people are still learning and people are
- 9:36concerned about.
- 9:38Even when we rolled out this, this new,
- 9:41technology,
- 9:42with summarizing, sometimes it doesn't summarize everything exactly
- 9:46the way you would like it to or
- 9:48something doesn't make sense at all. That happens.
- 9:50Anybody that uses chat GPT can can attest
- 9:54to that. So I do think that,
- 9:57as long as
- 9:59you are involving
- 10:00the people that are doing the work
- 10:03in the process and
- 10:05they are part of the planning, the implementation,
- 10:08the evaluation,
- 10:10and the, perhaps, you know, rework of the
- 10:12process.
- 10:14I think it it it's super important. And
- 10:16that's one of the things that I've learned
- 10:18throughout my career,
- 10:19both as a nurse leader as well as
- 10:21in my IT,
- 10:23when I had my IT hat on.
- 10:25So I have been out there, as I
- 10:27had mentioned.
- 10:28Literally, I put scrubs on, and I went
- 10:31out. And I I've shadowed almost every unit
- 10:33here
- 10:34at Montefiore Nyack
- 10:36and really talking to the staff about what
- 10:40the concerns are around any of the AI
- 10:43as well as,
- 10:45helping them understand how it could be helpful.
- 10:48And I think there's a mix, but the
- 10:51majority of the staff here,
- 10:53they come to work every day,
- 10:56really excited about,
- 10:58the changes that are happening.
- 10:59They are enjoying this this new AI that
- 11:02we've rolled out.
- 11:04And I think if organizations
- 11:06keep in mind that the staff has to
- 11:08be part of the entire process, the frontline
- 11:11workers, whatever,
- 11:12field you're in,
- 11:14they will always be much more successful in
- 11:16implementing any type of new technology.
- 11:20Excellent. Well, thank you so much for joining
- 11:22me today and sharing more about your strategic
- 11:24thinking behind AI. This has been such an
- 11:27informative discussion.
- 11:29Thank you so much for having me. I
- 11:31really appreciate the opportunity, and, I thank you
- 11:34very much for,
- 11:36bringing this topic up and and exploring it
- 11:39a little more with me. Thanks so much,
- 11:41Mariah.
- 11:42Of course.