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The Kenny Report | 16 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Why Anthony Albanesi's slide might continue. Perhaps you'll have plenty
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  Speaker 3: of time to kill at that beach house, the cost
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  Speaker 3: of living crunch while the government dithers. How are families
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  Speaker 3: suffering and what do they need most? Also China threatening
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  Speaker 3: Taiwan again, Military tensions in our Asian hemisphere.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to Alexander Downer.
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  Speaker 3: Also more craziness in US politics, the Wednesday wrangle, and
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  Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen will join me.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: We've got to talk again about albo He's in desperate
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  Speaker 3: strife as Prime minister because this country faces a series
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  Speaker 3: of enormous challenges, as you know, cost of living crisis,
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  Speaker 3: housing crisis, energy crisis, a threatening strategic environment out of control, immigration,
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  Speaker 3: social cohesion under threat, and we have a government and
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  Speaker 3: prime minister seemingly doing nothing to address any of this.
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  Speaker 3: As I've said before, Anthony Albanezi looks and talks more
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  Speaker 3: like a spectator.
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  Speaker 2: Than a player, than a leader.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why the Prime minister's tone deaf purchase of
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  Speaker 3: a four point three million dollar copa kabana Beach House
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  Speaker 3: could be much more than a small slip up.
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  Speaker 2: In his political career.
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  Speaker 3: It could be a watershed moment, the moment when much
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  Speaker 3: of the population realizes this book is not only out
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  Speaker 3: of touch, but has no clue about what he's supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be doing. I mean, already his colleagues are sick
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  Speaker 3: to death of having to answer questions about his real
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  Speaker 3: estate portfolio.
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  Speaker 4: We all understand and acknowledge that he's entitled to have
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  Speaker 4: a personal life and to purchase property as he needs
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  Speaker 4: to do.
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  Speaker 5: It's entirely a matter for the Prime Minister and his fiance.
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  Speaker 6: I think Australian is what the government focused on, providing
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  Speaker 6: more houses for them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we all know what they're thinking deep down, something
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  Speaker 3: like why Elbo, Why Why couldn't you just wait? In
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: this modern twenty four to seven social media age, the
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  Speaker 3: political cycles seem to be accelerated and the tide can
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  Speaker 3: turn against pms very quickly. The wrong mistake at the
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  Speaker 3: wrong time can precipitate an inevitable decline. Think of Tony
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  Speaker 3: Abbott deciding to confer an Australian knighthood on the Queen's husband,
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  Speaker 3: Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh.
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  Speaker 5: Tony Abbot's judgment has been questioned this morning following his
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  Speaker 5: unusual decision to grant a knighthood to Prince Philip Brisbane's career.
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  Speaker 5: Mail is having some fun with it, stepping back in
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  Speaker 5: time something the PM is being accused of doing. It
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  Speaker 5: is a jolly od show, isn't it. The Daily Telly
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  Speaker 5: reflects the anger of his coalition colleagues, who are said
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  Speaker 5: to be furious and not being consulted on the decision.
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  Speaker 5: And Melbourne's Herald's son comes right and comes right up
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  Speaker 5: and calls it, as many say it, a royal stuff up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and one fell swoop. Abbott lost a lot of authority.
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  Speaker 3: Much of the country started wondering where his head was at.
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  Speaker 3: And then there was Scott Morrison and his inexplicable decision
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  Speaker 3: to take an overseas holiday and even worse, trying to
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  Speaker 3: do it on the quiet.
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  Speaker 7: The Prime Minister has caved tonight, rushing back from Hawaii
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  Speaker 7: amid criticism for taking a holiday.
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  Speaker 2: While Sydney burns.
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  Speaker 7: Scott Morrison expressed his deep regret for causing offense to
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  Speaker 7: the people who've lost homes and loved.
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  Speaker 8: Ones, Scott Morrison saying he'll cut short a Hawaiian get away.
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  Speaker 9: Acknowledging his absence this week has caused some offense.
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  Speaker 2: I deeply regret that, and so does Jennie.
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  Speaker 9: Ch'll be getting back there as soon as I can.
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  Speaker 3: But you know I don't hold a hose mate. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: there was a fateful political moment right there, and now
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  Speaker 3: maybe Albo has had one of his own.
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  Speaker 2: He certainly didn't like questions on the issue today.
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  Speaker 10: How do you respond to senior labor sources who have
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  Speaker 10: likened the decision to Scott Morrison's Hawaii trip.
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  Speaker 6: What I'm focused on is delivering more houses for Australians.
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  Speaker 11: A number of labor MPs are privately voiced concerned about
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  Speaker 11: the decision to buy this house.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what do you.
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  Speaker 12: Say to them?
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  Speaker 6: I'm focused on getting our help to buy legislation to them?
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  Speaker 3: His focus, say, this focus he keeps talking about seems
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  Speaker 3: to be all over the place. Look, this beach house
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  Speaker 3: issue was bad enough in its own right. It's just
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  Speaker 3: a dumb and insensitive move as a Prime minister. Albanezi
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  Speaker 3: at the moment gets to live in the taxpayer funded
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  Speaker 3: lodge in Canberra as his main residence. Fair enough and
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  Speaker 3: taxpayers also provide Kiribilly House on the harbor for when
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  Speaker 3: he's in Sydney, and Albo has also kept his own home,
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  Speaker 3: as you'd expect in Sydney's in a West, but he's
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  Speaker 3: trying to offload a nearby investment property after evicting the
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  Speaker 3: tenant earlier this year. And then there's the four point
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  Speaker 3: three million dollar beach house he's about.
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  Speaker 2: To settle on.
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  Speaker 3: So that means that at the moment Albanize has rights
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  Speaker 3: over five properties, two courtesy of.
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  Speaker 2: Taxpayers and three of his own, and.
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  Speaker 3: At any given time, four of these five properties are empty.
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  Speaker 3: Now apparently he'll sell the investment property to help pay
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  Speaker 3: for the beach house, but he'll still be living in
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  Speaker 3: one of the two houses that go with his job,
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  Speaker 3: while the other two presumably are empty. It's just not
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  Speaker 3: a good look in a housing crisis, and it's just
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  Speaker 3: so unnecessary. Surely all these labor colleagues, especially the marginal seatholders,
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  Speaker 3: as I said last night, would prefer he left his
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  Speaker 3: beach house shopping until after the election. But while all
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  Speaker 3: this is bad enough, the important point is that this
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  Speaker 3: comes when the Prime Minister has been losing standing steadily
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  Speaker 3: all year after being weak on China and pathetic on
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  Speaker 3: the nuclear issue. Back in June, I wrote that Albanzi
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  Speaker 3: was losing authority, noting that his SNI made oppositionist politicking.
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  Speaker 3: We're seeing the authority of offers shed from him like
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  Speaker 3: fur from a sick cat. But things only got worse.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how many times has Albaniz he tried to
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  Speaker 3: duck responsibility for various issues.
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  Speaker 6: I've been traveling in the car, so I haven't been
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  Speaker 6: advised about that. This is not my proposal. This is
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  Speaker 6: the Australian people's proposal.
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  Speaker 2: There is a big.
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  Speaker 6: Australia and independent body and the government doesn't direct them
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  Speaker 6: on what to do. The Community Protection Board is of
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  Speaker 6: course a board that's independent of politicians. Of course they
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  Speaker 6: state bail schemes are run by the state.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was becoming so obvious and happening so often
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  Speaker 3: that I started playing this pos is not defensible. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that little number really caught on. And good on Ray
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  Speaker 3: Hadley and the Robinson brothers for kicking it along too
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  Speaker 3: and giving us their version of it because.
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  Speaker 2: It's so apt.
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  Speaker 3: The song works, because Albo makes it work, and things
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  Speaker 3: just keep going downhill for the prime Minister. He's not
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  Speaker 3: been able to map out an agenda or demonstrate leadership.
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  Speaker 3: In September, I wrote that he was looking like an
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  Speaker 3: incredible shrinking Prime Minister, noting that when voters spot political hollowness,
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  Speaker 3: they can fall off quickly, like they did with Kevin Rudd,
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  Speaker 3: and I pointed out that slipping into minority government was
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  Speaker 3: not the worst fate threatening labor. They could actually lose
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  Speaker 3: power after just one term. Yet since then the decline
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  Speaker 3: has continued. The weakness we've seen over the Middle East
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  Speaker 3: and anti semitism at home, the of living, housing and
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  Speaker 3: energy crises only getting worse, and the government having no
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  Speaker 3: plans to tackle the underlying problems like government spending or
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  Speaker 3: over regulation of the labor market and the ridiculous rush
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  Speaker 3: to renewables and the uncontrolled immigration. Then there's been the
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  Speaker 3: embarrassing attempts to pretend he's doing something.
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  Speaker 6: You will have seen it. A product comes out in
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  Speaker 6: new packaging. It's the same price as before, but the
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  Speaker 6: box feels a little bit lighter. It's called shrink relation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the incredible shrinking Prime Minister. All right, all the
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  Speaker 3: cheap tricks, all politicking all the time, and there's been
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  Speaker 3: a fair bit of hubris thrown in two.
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  Speaker 6: We haven't lost a news poll since I've been prime minister.
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  Speaker 6: We haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime minister.
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  Speaker 3: Well as of this week, as of Monday, he can't
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  Speaker 3: say that anymore. Months out from the next federal election,
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  Speaker 3: the coalition has taken a surprise lead in the polls.
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  Speaker 9: The Albanezi government is now trailing by two points.
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  Speaker 13: The latest News poll with a coalition leading for the
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  Speaker 13: first time since the last election.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just on Monday, and then yesterday we
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  Speaker 3: got the news about the four point three million dollar
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  Speaker 3: beach house.
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  Speaker 2: And this was his response.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, I am much better off as a prime minister.
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  Speaker 6: I earn a good income. I understand now, I understand
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  Speaker 6: now I've been fortunate, but I also know what it's
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  Speaker 6: like to struggle. My mum lived in the one public
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  Speaker 6: housing that she was born in for all of her
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  Speaker 6: sixty five years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could almost hear people around the country groaning.
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  Speaker 3: We've heard the public housing story so many times. You
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  Speaker 3: can't just keep wheeling it out as an excuse or
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  Speaker 3: in lieu of a proper answer. Anthony Abanese he is
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  Speaker 3: in deep strife as Prime minister. How can he be
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  Speaker 3: taken seriously on the housing crisis anymore? He's broken his
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  Speaker 3: promise on mortgage rates and the cost of living. How
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  Speaker 3: can he be taken seriously on energy and power prices?
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  Speaker 3: He's broken his promise to cut power bills by two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five dollars a year. How can he
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  Speaker 3: be taken seriously on foreign affairs or on social cohesion?
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  Speaker 3: Australia's approach on Israel is hopeless and confused, and hate
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  Speaker 3: preaching at home has gone unpunished. As I asked rhetorically
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  Speaker 3: back in May, what is the point of Albo? What's
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  Speaker 3: been the point of his prime ministership so far?
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  Speaker 2: What is Albaneze's plan for the future.
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  Speaker 3: Well, apart from spending more time at his beach house,
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  Speaker 3: I've got no idea, do you. Let's catch up now
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  Speaker 3: with the Shadow Housing Minister, Michael Suka, who joins us
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  Speaker 3: live from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Sir Michael.
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  Speaker 3: Very keen to speak to you because Albo's cac handed
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  Speaker 3: real estate investments has delivered a bit of a gift
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  Speaker 3: for the opposition, throwing the housing crisis right into the
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  Speaker 3: front and center of the political debate.
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  Speaker 2: But what can you do?
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  Speaker 3: What would the Coalition do in government to ease the
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  Speaker 3: housing crisis?
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks Chris Anthony Albanez.
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  Speaker 14: He's out of his depth and I think people would
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  Speaker 14: be less concerned about his own property purchases if he
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  Speaker 14: hadn't so badly managed our housing system in Australia. On
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  Speaker 14: every single measure Chris Housing on his watch has drastically
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  Speaker 14: gone backwards, whether it's the number of first home buyers
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  Speaker 14: at record lowers, whether it's the number of homes being built,
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  Speaker 14: the number of approvals, and we've got record lower approvals,
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  Speaker 14: which sadly means if we're in a housing crisis now,
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  Speaker 14: it's due to get worse because those are the approvals
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  Speaker 14: of homes to be built in the next twelve to
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  Speaker 14: eighty months. Meanwhile, whilst building fewer homes and having fewer
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  Speaker 14: first home buyers, he's ramped up migration to a hugely.
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  Speaker 14: There's more than a million people in two years. So
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  Speaker 14: we made very clear what we would do. We'll have
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  Speaker 14: much more to say before the election, but we will
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  Speaker 14: reduce migration for out more than a thousand, one hundred
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  Speaker 14: thousand homes. For restraints that it Dutton made that clear
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  Speaker 14: in his budget in reply speech, will allow our first
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  Speaker 14: time buyers to access up to fifty thousand dollars of
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  Speaker 14: their super to help with them with the deposit hurdle.
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  Speaker 14: And we'll have a big focus on home ownership. You
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  Speaker 14: don't hear anything out of this government on home ownership.
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  Speaker 14: They've waved the white flag on home ownership. And we
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  Speaker 14: will have a single minded focus on ensuring that the
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  Speaker 14: next generation of Austraians are able to buy their own home.
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  Speaker 14: And I can assure you we will have a suite
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  Speaker 14: of curious policy to deliver. And the truth is we
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  Speaker 14: haven't seen that for two and a half years from
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  Speaker 14: this government, so there'll be a fair bit to catch
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  Speaker 14: up on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big difference, right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you can focus on trying to make more
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  Speaker 3: housing available, encourage people, help them get into buying their
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  Speaker 3: own home. Labour's plan is about government invents, split in
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  Speaker 3: the social housing, more government money, sort of subsidizing developers
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  Speaker 3: to build social housing and even subsidizing taking part ownership
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  Speaker 3: of people's houses with them. Let's listen to their minister
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  Speaker 3: to describe this. She seems I think it's bold.
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  Speaker 4: Have a look this man leads an Australian government that
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  Speaker 4: is more bold and ambitious on addressing the housing needs
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  Speaker 4: of Australians than we've had in many decades. My focus
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  Speaker 4: is on the housing needs of ordinary people out there
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  Speaker 4: and our incredibly bold and ambitious plan to get those
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  Speaker 4: housing needs addressed. Our government is the most bold and
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  Speaker 4: ambitious that we've had on housing for a generation.
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  Speaker 2: Bold and ambitious in case you missed it. Now.
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  Speaker 3: When I hear governments talking about bold and ambitious plans
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  Speaker 3: with the taxpayers money, I.
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  Speaker 2: Get very worried.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm really interested in is this policy you've alluded to.
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  Speaker 2: You took it late to the last election.
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  Speaker 3: I think Australians are willing to hear much more about this,
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  Speaker 3: and that is the idea of getting access to their
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  Speaker 3: super They're forced to make super contributions.
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  Speaker 2: As compulsory saving.
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  Speaker 3: Why shouldn't all people be allowed to access a certain
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  Speaker 3: portion of that, whether it's fifty five percent whatever, to
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  Speaker 3: help them get into the market.
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  Speaker 2: It's their money.
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  Speaker 14: Well, Chris, the only people that argue against it are
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  Speaker 14: people who believe that that money belongs to the super funds.
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  Speaker 2: And we're very different in the coalition.
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  Speaker 14: We think that money belongs to Australians, it's their hard
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  Speaker 14: earned money that's put into Super. It was my policy
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  Speaker 14: as Housing Minister before the last selection admediately we announced
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  Speaker 14: it quite laid in the campaign to allow first time
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  Speaker 14: buyers access up to fifty thousand dollars of their own
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  Speaker 14: SUPER to put towards a deposit. We know the deposit
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  Speaker 14: hurdle is one of the biggest barriers to homeownership in
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  Speaker 14: this country, and you don't need to be scholar to
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  Speaker 14: work out that. Once you make your eleven and a
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  Speaker 14: half percent mandatory superannuation contributions, you pay your tax, you
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  Speaker 14: pay your hex, you pay your rent, there's very little
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  Speaker 14: left over to save for a deposit. So providing astrains
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  Speaker 14: with that access is important and one key.
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  Speaker 1: Feature of.
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  Speaker 14: The Super for Housing program that Peter Dutton has reaffirmed
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  Speaker 14: is we will require people to put that money back
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  Speaker 14: in once they sell that home. And the average first
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  Speaker 14: home buyer holds a property for seven years, so they'll
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  Speaker 14: need to put that money back into their Super at
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  Speaker 14: the end, which basically means you get the best of
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  Speaker 14: both worlds. You get the use of that money when
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  Speaker 14: you need it for a deposit, but you will also
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  Speaker 14: continue to grow your superannuation balance.
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  Speaker 1: The big difference.
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  Speaker 14: Being when you get to the end of your working life, Chris,
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  Speaker 14: not only do you have as healthy super balance, but
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  Speaker 14: you actually own your own home.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you went to.
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  Speaker 14: Retirement not owning your own home, we know that your
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  Speaker 14: retirement outcomes up infinitely worse.
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  Speaker 3: It's such good policy, it makes so much sense, and
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  Speaker 3: it helps people get into the housing market with their
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  Speaker 3: own money, doesn't cost the government money, and all power
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  Speaker 3: to your arm. We'll keep talking about otherwise to fight
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  Speaker 3: the housing crisis in the months ahead. Thanks for joining us,
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  Speaker 3: Michael Sucker, because other ways here you've got to get
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  Speaker 3: rid of state government, local government regulation, You've got to
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  Speaker 3: free up more land.
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  Speaker 2: There's all sorts of other things that need to be done.
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  Speaker 3: Most of it involves getting rid of government rather than
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  Speaker 3: adding more government and more government spending. Joining me now
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  Speaker 3: is One Nation Leader Pauline Hanson live from.
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  Speaker 2: Scenic Rim in Queensland. Thanks for joining us, Pauline.
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  Speaker 3: You'll be disappointed that Albo has bought he's a four
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  Speaker 3: point three million dollar beach.
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  Speaker 2: House in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 3: To welcome him to somewhere up there on the Sunshine
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  Speaker 3: Coast or the Gold Coast, wouldn't you.
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  Speaker 10: Chriss absolutely furious when I heard this, and especially when
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  Speaker 10: he said, well look my mother and he brings out
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  Speaker 10: the crocodile to here, it's about his background, grew up
• 16:56
  Speaker 10: in a house commission. But then to say, while his
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  Speaker 10: mother is a sixty five years in the same house
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  Speaker 10: that she was actually born in, so it couldn't have
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  Speaker 10: been that bad in house commission house whatsoever. So I'm
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  Speaker 10: sick of the crocodile tears in his background and poor
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  Speaker 10: conditions of how he lived and all the rest of it.
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  Speaker 10: You know, it's a slap in the face to those
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  Speaker 10: Australians out there who are doing a tough families sleeping
• 17:17
  Speaker 10: in the houses, in their vans, under the bridges, in tents,
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  Speaker 10: in parks everywhere else. And it has been a slap
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  Speaker 10: in the face to these Australians out there.
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  Speaker 15: Look, I wish everyone.
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  Speaker 10: The best in buying their own home, but here's the
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  Speaker 10: Prime Minister of this country. It is his policies that
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  Speaker 10: have put people in the destitute situation. They are now
• 17:35
  Speaker 10: the high immigracious well, and they said at five hundred
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  Speaker 10: and seventeen thousand it was unsustainable. We'll have to cut
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  Speaker 10: back on immigration. They've done absolutely nothing about it. It's
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  Speaker 10: still at the same numbers to this day. You've got
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  Speaker 10: you've got none of the migration that's coming to Australia.
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  Speaker 10: You've got there were six hundred and fifty thousand houses
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  Speaker 10: were short in the housing market. You've also got the
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  Speaker 10: foreign students in Australia just under one million foreign students.
• 18:02
  Speaker 10: It's estimated about two hundred thousand are in the country
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  Speaker 10: as a scam signing up to these scam vocational educational
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  Speaker 10: English training programs. They shouldn't be in the country at all.
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  Speaker 10: So they had taken up the housing as well. There
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  Speaker 10: are many things that we can address and I'm going
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  Speaker 10: to pick up the Liberal Party on this. Michael Schucker,
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  Speaker 10: it wasn't his policy, but the superannuation scheme. I've used
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  Speaker 10: the super to put in their own times. It was
• 18:27
  Speaker 10: my policy that I brought up years ago, and the
• 18:30
  Speaker 10: Liberals has picked up their policy. I'm glad they have
• 18:33
  Speaker 10: because it's a very good policy. But it was my
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: policy that I raised this in the first place.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: There you go, picked up on your idea. They did
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: that very late in the last election campaign.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I thought it was their best policy and they only
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: brought it out in the last week, but we want
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: to see more of that. I just wanted you to
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: follow up on immigration because Dick Smith again has spoken
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: about this. He's a great Australian, Dick Smith, and he's
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: been on this for a long, long while. He just says,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: and he's right that current rates of immigration are unsustainable.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: But incredibly that even the Labor Government has admitted that
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: there's too many and they need to cut it back,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: but they don't seem to be able.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: To do that.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: That they say one thing, and yet the immigration is
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: still running out of control.
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: It is because it's propping up the duty p it's
• 19:18
  Speaker 10: propping up the economy. Otherwise we will be in a
• 19:21
  Speaker 10: per capital recession. That's the problem with it, and the
• 19:24
  Speaker 10: high inflation that we will have.
• 19:26
  Speaker 15: So people are struggling. You know, Anthony Albaneasy with his
• 19:29
  Speaker 15: new home and all the rest of it.
• 19:30
  Speaker 10: He doesn't have to queue up to see the doctor
• 19:32
  Speaker 10: or go to the hospital or actually you know, find
• 19:35
  Speaker 10: a house to rent, and it's out of their boundaries
• 19:37
  Speaker 10: of being able to pay rent.
• 19:39
  Speaker 15: He's not in touch for the ras roots Australians.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: But hang on, hang on, Pauline about it. Hang on, Pauling,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: don't you know he grew up in social housing.
• 19:49
  Speaker 15: I couldn't given us about it whether he grew up
• 19:52
  Speaker 15: or not.
• 19:52
  Speaker 10: And I've donet bloody tough to you know, two kids
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: as a single mother at twenty one years of age.
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: So I can you know, booh about my arsen all
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: the rest of it. But we are now members of parliament,
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: we are leaders of this nation. People aren't interested in
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: my past. They're interested in what I intend to do
• 20:09
  Speaker 10: for them now. Those people are the struggling and doing
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: it tough out there. And so like I said, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: bring out the policies and the answers to it that
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: we need to address the problems that we have in
• 20:20
  Speaker 10: the country. High immigration, cut back on foreign ownership of
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: our housing, do not allow it. That's another policy that
• 20:25
  Speaker 10: the Liberal Party picked up of mine, to stop foreign
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: ownership of our housing. But they only want to do
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: it for two years. I want to do it for
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: the longer term. And there's so many things that we
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: can do with it.
• 20:37
  Speaker 15: Chris. And if the governments and the Green's answer is.
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: Going to introduce you know, negative yearing and you know, the.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Capitalize more taxes on housing. That's the opposite. Won't work.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: It won't work.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been down that route before.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I was going to get your thoughts on the on
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: the state election, but we're out of time coins on
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: the Queen's old election.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: We're out of time pauling, and I'll catch you on
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that next week.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: One Nation, you're going to lose your cheaper staff if
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: you do too well. Pulling Hansen there, we'll catch up
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: with her on the state election next week.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Now and after that I'm going to talk about how
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Labour's doing four fifths of bugger all on the cost
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: of living. I'm going to catch up with the Salvos
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: to find out how they're coping with an influx of
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: requests for help. Let's do some more on the cost
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: of living crisis, because there's something where I reckon. The
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: government is doing four fifths of bugger all, but is
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: pretending to be active and also trying to shift the blame.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: For instance, Labour's policies are pushing inflation up. It's labor
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: market reregulation, caving into the unions that's pushed up business costs.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: It's energy policies, and the reckless rush to renew a
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: wills continues to push up electricity prices, which of course
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: adds to the cost of everything and puts pressure on
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: households as well.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And then there's Labour's.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Record government spending and record immigration. But the Aarbineezi government
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: isn't really doing anything to tackle these fundamentals, the things
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: that can control. Instead it's trying to shift the blame elsewhere.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: There's the supermarkets, of course, with a focus on competition regulation.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: We're providing thirty million dollars of additional funding for the
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Watchtock to make sure that day the a Triple C
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: can clamp down on supermarkets to make sure that consumers
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: are getting a fair deal when there's cost of living pressures.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the evil supermarkets apparently, even though their profit
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: margins are about three percent.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And Labour's also.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Trying to blame the banks by focusing on service charges.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: It's also about easing the cost of living and the
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: measures that the Treasurer spoke about before in outlawing debit
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: card surcharges.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fiddling around the edges.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: And as I showed you earlier, Albanize's e been into
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: social media stunts and product shrinkage.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: You will have seen it. A product comes out in
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: new packaging. It's the same price as before, but the
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: box feels a little bit lighter. It's called shrink flation.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Shrink flation. It sounds like something from George Costanza, doesn't it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: We're facing a real cost of living crisis and the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Albaneze government is preoccupied with this blame shifting and these
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: gimmicks instead of pulling the right economic levers that it
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: can actually control. Let's go to the cold face now
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: and find out how the cost of living is biting.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I'm joined now by Major Brenda Nottell from the Salvation Army.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Brendan.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Just tell us the latest you're getting from people seeking help.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: We've talked before about there we're increasingly seeing the working poor.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Is there any sense that this crisis is plateauing.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Or getting any better? Or is the bike even getting harder?
• 24:08
  Speaker 16: Well, sadly, Chris, I've been doing this work with the
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: Salvation Army for thirty three years and I've never seen
• 24:13
  Speaker 16: it as bad as it is now.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And I can't see light at the end of the tunnel.
• 24:17
  Speaker 16: So we're actually hearing stories regularly now where parents are
• 24:21
  Speaker 16: sitting down they have a meal with their kids and
• 24:24
  Speaker 16: the parent or parents don't eat with their kids, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 16: kids ask mum and dad, when are you going to eat?
• 24:29
  Speaker 16: And they'll say, I we'll eat later, but they actually
• 24:31
  Speaker 16: don't eat later because they don't have enough food for them.
• 24:35
  Speaker 16: And we're seeing things like that all the time. We've
• 24:37
  Speaker 16: seeing new faces coming into our centers and there have
• 24:39
  Speaker 16: often been people that have been donuts to organizations like ours.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Now they're reaching out for help.
• 24:44
  Speaker 16: And one of the tragic things, Chris, is we're seeing
• 24:47
  Speaker 16: mums come in with their kids, little kids, into homelessness services,
• 24:52
  Speaker 16: but they're not homeless, so their.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Partner is off working.
• 24:54
  Speaker 16: They're doing everything they possibly can to try and make
• 24:57
  Speaker 16: ends meet, and they simply can't.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: So, you know, obviously it just shouldn't happen in this country.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Of course, if you've got parents there trying to care
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: for children, just trying to put food on their plate,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: it should be impossible that they can't afford.
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: To do that.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Where is the money going.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Is it the accommodation costs, whether it be a mortgage
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: or rental, or is it electricity bills and utilities? Where
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: are the real pinch points that you're seeing people struggling
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: to pay the bills.
• 25:25
  Speaker 16: Well, there's economic shock right across the board crease, so
• 25:29
  Speaker 16: people are trying to manage their mortgages, interest.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Rates have gone up. That's really really bitten hard.
• 25:34
  Speaker 16: Then you've got often those mortgaging cree or interest rate
• 25:38
  Speaker 16: increases have been passed on to rent pays.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So now you've got.
• 25:42
  Speaker 16: Brisbane, Sydney Melbourne have three of the most expensive housing
• 25:46
  Speaker 16: rental markets in the world, So you've got that overlay
• 25:50
  Speaker 16: really crunching people right across the nation. Then you've got
• 25:53
  Speaker 16: food cost going up, you've got energy costs going up.
• 25:56
  Speaker 16: And one of the things that really hits me hard
• 25:57
  Speaker 16: is when we have people whose health is compromised saying
• 26:01
  Speaker 16: I can't switch the heating on this winter, or I
• 26:03
  Speaker 16: can't switch the air conditioning on this summer because I
• 26:06
  Speaker 16: simply can't afford it. And the reality is it's not
• 26:08
  Speaker 16: then being uncomfortable, it's potentially a life and death situation
• 26:12
  Speaker 16: for them.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: And the other thing we see, Chris is this community
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: of effect.
• 26:15
  Speaker 16: It's not just people not being able to afford cost
• 26:18
  Speaker 16: of living expenses, it actually impacts their mental health so
• 26:22
  Speaker 16: cause of stress causes anxiety, it causes depression, and then
• 26:25
  Speaker 16: it impacts relationships. So within the home, we're seeing people
• 26:29
  Speaker 16: turning on each other because they're just not coping. So
• 26:31
  Speaker 16: there's all these community of effects that are impacting people's lives.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Right across the whole nation now.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: And what sort of situations are we're talking about, because
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: obviously unemployment is relatively low, and there has been a
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: bit of a growth in wages, not enough to compensate
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: for the interest rate increases, of course, but there are
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: people with a job being affected or is it mainly
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: people are either can't work or unable to work or
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: un welfare.
• 27:00
  Speaker 16: Well that phrase you used before, Chris, the working poor
• 27:03
  Speaker 16: is spot on. So we're seeing people that are working
• 27:06
  Speaker 16: but simply can't make ends meet. And we were seeing
• 27:09
  Speaker 16: that before this economic crisis, where something out of the
• 27:14
  Speaker 16: ordinary would come, so it might be an unexpected medical
• 27:17
  Speaker 16: bill and people would struggle to make ends meet. But
• 27:20
  Speaker 16: now we're seeing people struggling to make ends meet just
• 27:23
  Speaker 16: with everyday expenses. They simply cannot do it, and that's
• 27:28
  Speaker 16: where the crisis is here, Chris. I think, look, economic
• 27:32
  Speaker 16: shock happens on a fairly regular basis right around the world,
• 27:36
  Speaker 16: and what we require is governments to stop talking.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: And actually start to take action.
• 27:41
  Speaker 16: We hear a lot of investment being talked about around housing,
• 27:45
  Speaker 16: so that hopefully the cost of rental properties, the cost
• 27:48
  Speaker 16: of owning a house will come down.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: But the reality is that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 16: It seems to be just talk and we're not getting
• 27:56
  Speaker 16: enough traction around actually creating things, you know, embroidering ruins,
• 28:01
  Speaker 16: the garment. I know that, I understand that a whole
• 28:04
  Speaker 16: lot of red tape can slay down the construction of houses.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I understand all of that. But we need action. But
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that's just people that's suffering at the moment.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Well, you spot on, Brendan, and that's where governments can act.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: They can get rid of the red tape.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: That's not an excuse, that's their jobs to get rid
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: of that, so you can act quickly. Thanks so much
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: for joining us, and thank you and the Salvos for
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: all the work.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: You do, Brendan.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Not all there from the Salvation Army, and as ever,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: kick in some cash to the Salvos other good groups
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: if you prefer, like Vinnie's or the Smith family, they'll
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: do wonderful work.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And as you just heard from Brendan. There are a
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: lot of people out there who really need it.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Now, coming up on the other side of the break
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: on to catch up with former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about Kevin Rudd's new book on Jijiping.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I'll cross to Alexander Downer in a moment, but first,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: China's holding fresh military exercises around Taiwan and what it's
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: calling a stern warning against the island democracy seeking independence.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Here is the latest from sky News UK.
• 29:06
  Speaker 17: Once again, tension is high in the Taiwan Strait, China
• 29:11
  Speaker 17: launching massive military exercises, its army, navy and rocket forces
• 29:16
  Speaker 17: encircling the self governed island, simulating a blockade and drilling
• 29:21
  Speaker 17: down on Taiwan's ports. China calls it a stern warning,
• 29:25
  Speaker 17: and its Ministry of Foreign Affairs insisted it's a domestic issue.
• 29:30
  Speaker 18: Well can you concil this ship. I can tell you
• 29:33
  Speaker 18: that Taiwan independence is incompatible with peace in the Taiwan
• 29:37
  Speaker 18: streets and provocations by the forces of Taiwan independence will
• 29:42
  Speaker 18: be rejected.
• 29:44
  Speaker 17: China's drills come only a few days after this Taiwan's
• 29:48
  Speaker 17: National Day celebrations, during a speech the island's president, Leiching
• 29:53
  Speaker 17: Dur said, China has no right to represent Taiwan.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a situation.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Let's get a read out on it from former Foreign
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Minister Alexander Downer.
• 30:06
  Speaker 19: Well, what the Chinese in Beijing are doing is threatening
• 30:10
  Speaker 19: the regime in Taiwan. In particular. They disliked the president
• 30:15
  Speaker 19: there and some of the language that the president uses,
• 30:18
  Speaker 19: which they associate with independence for Taiwan. So that's their
• 30:23
  Speaker 19: concern and that's why they're mounting these military exercises. But however,
• 30:29
  Speaker 19: I don't think they're on the threshold of invading Taiwan.
• 30:33
  Speaker 19: I don't think they would dare do that and run
• 30:37
  Speaker 19: the risk of a huge major war, in particular with
• 30:41
  Speaker 19: the United States.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: So it has to be.
• 30:46
  Speaker 19: Seen in the context of their attitude to the new
• 30:49
  Speaker 19: president of Taiwan.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's always a fraud situation.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: With so many military acids on the water and in
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: intimidating situations, there's always the potential for accidents. But it
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: is deeply worrying, and it comes, of course at a
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: time when there's so much focus on China and Jigiping
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: and what his game plan is and Australia's ambassador to
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the US, of course, former Prime Minister Kevin Rudaman. You know, Well,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: he's published a new book on gigiping and it is
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: based on his thesis and it describes jigiping as a
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: threat to the global order. Is this useful for an
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Australian ambassador to be out there so boldly on such
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: a major international issue.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't that be left to our prime minister and Foreign Minister?
• 31:36
  Speaker 19: Well, I think it is useful. Actually, he did a
• 31:38
  Speaker 19: PhD at Oxford University a little while ago and his
• 31:42
  Speaker 19: PhD was on shi Jingping. I know the supervisor of
• 31:47
  Speaker 19: his PhD, and he told me that it was a
• 31:52
  Speaker 19: very good piece of work, and now he's converted it
• 31:55
  Speaker 19: into a book. Actually, to be fair, I don't really
• 31:58
  Speaker 19: see a problem with that because having read just summaries
• 32:03
  Speaker 19: in newspapers of what the book says, it seems to
• 32:07
  Speaker 19: me pretty much on the money, focusing on Shi Jinping
• 32:11
  Speaker 19: having been being a very different leader from his predecessors,
• 32:16
  Speaker 19: much more Marxist, Leninist, more Maoist if you like, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 19: his immediate predecessors having swung the country hard to the
• 32:25
  Speaker 19: left economically and becoming a very aggressive nationalist. I mean,
• 32:30
  Speaker 19: I think all of that is that analysis is completely right.
• 32:34
  Speaker 19: So I mean it might be a little heterodoxical because
• 32:38
  Speaker 19: I don't like Kevin Rudd very much, but I think
• 32:43
  Speaker 19: this is I think this is a good piece of
• 32:45
  Speaker 19: work and it will enhance his status in Washington being
• 32:49
  Speaker 19: an expert on China.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Well, absolutely we understand why that's good for him. And
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: by the sounds of it, I haven't read his thesis,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: but by the sounds of it, as you're saying, it's
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: strong and robust on China in a.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Way that Australia should be.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: But it might embarrass the Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: But I suppose on the good side, it might encourage
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: them to be stronger, to have more spine when it
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: comes to dealing with China.
• 33:15
  Speaker 19: Well, I think what we've realized with Anthony Albanesi and
• 33:19
  Speaker 19: Penny Wong is they have no idea about foreign policy.
• 33:23
  Speaker 19: Their only interest is domestic politics, and they use foreign
• 33:27
  Speaker 19: policy as a tool to advance their domestic political campaigns,
• 33:32
  Speaker 19: which are mainly against the Greens. But Kevin Rudd is
• 33:37
  Speaker 19: making a serious point about China and the aggression of
• 33:40
  Speaker 19: China and the dangers of China, and if Penny Wog
• 33:46
  Speaker 19: and Anthony Albanesi are going to spend a bit of
• 33:49
  Speaker 19: time by the beach, and I gather Albanzi is going
• 33:52
  Speaker 19: to spend a lot of time at the beach, if
• 33:54
  Speaker 19: he's going to do that. Back to read Kevin Rudd's
• 33:57
  Speaker 19: six hundred page.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Book, Oh You're into Copa Kabana. Read the Kevin Ruds.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: He's good mate, Kevin Rudd's book on China.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the Middle East and the ongoing strife there,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: And the fact that the United States now has effectively
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: warned Israel that unless it improves the humanitarian access and
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: assistance in Gaza, the US could actually withdraw some military support.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Is the warning from the US.
• 34:25
  Speaker 20: What we have seen over the past few months is
• 34:27
  Speaker 20: that the level of humanitarian assistance has not been sustained.
• 34:30
  Speaker 20: In fact, it has fallen by over fifty percent from
• 34:33
  Speaker 20: where it was at its peak. So the Secretary, along
• 34:36
  Speaker 20: with Secretary Arson, thought it was appropriate to make clear
• 34:39
  Speaker 20: to the government of Israel that there are changes that
• 34:42
  Speaker 20: they need to make again to see that the level
• 34:44
  Speaker 20: of assistance making it into Gaza comes back up from
• 34:48
  Speaker 20: the very very low levels that it is at today.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Now, of course, Israel's copy criticism from the UN and
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: the EU over what's happening in southern Lebanon. We're still
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: waiting to see what Israel will do of a counter
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: attack to run. So how much of a blow is
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: this coming from the US right now?
• 35:07
  Speaker 19: Well, I don't think it is. I think it's tied
• 35:09
  Speaker 19: up with something that's happening in the US three weeks
• 35:12
  Speaker 19: from now, and that is the election, not just the
• 35:16
  Speaker 19: presidential election, but the Senate and congressional elections as well,
• 35:20
  Speaker 19: which are all very tight, and so the Democrats.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Are worried about Michigan.
• 35:27
  Speaker 19: Michigan has started to drift towards Trump, and Michigan has
• 35:32
  Speaker 19: a very large number of Muslim voters, so I suspected
• 35:37
  Speaker 19: to or tied up with that. After all, this announcement
• 35:40
  Speaker 19: has been made at the same time as the US
• 35:43
  Speaker 19: has also announced is delivering the most sophisticated anti missile
• 35:48
  Speaker 19: systems to Israel, and they're going to send some soldiers
• 35:53
  Speaker 19: to help to operate those missile systems. So I don't
• 35:57
  Speaker 19: think there's anything more to it than just a little
• 36:00
  Speaker 19: bit of politics.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff, and of course, you know the deadline extends
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: beyond the US election timeframe. As you point out, Thanks
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: for joining us, Alexander. Always great to catch up.
• 36:11
  Speaker 19: It's a pleasure, Chris.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: You don't go away because after the break We've got
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the Wednesday Wrangle. I can't wait to see what Justin
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: and Liz I've got to say about Olbow's fancy new
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: place at the beach. Also Kamala Harris mocking Donald Trump
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: after one of these rallies turns into a bit of
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: a dance festival.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go away.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Let's get into the Wednesday wrangle with Sky News host
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Liz Story Here on the desk and to see Liz
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: and in Melbourne as ever, were joined by columnists and
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: broadcast and author Justin Smith. I bet you can't wait,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Justin to get an invitation to go up to Albo's
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: beach beach pad.
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  Speaker 8: And spot a few whiles and wiles there off the beach.
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: I don't it's a lovely spot, is it. I don't
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: think I'll be getting any invite there. I don't think
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: I've said enough nice things about.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister. I he'd invite you anyway with me?
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  Speaker 9: Have I gone? Have I gone completely mad?
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  Speaker 1: Here?
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: Have I gone completely mad? Did the Prime Minister steal
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: this house? Did he fun of this house through a
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: cocaine ring that he's been running out of Mexico or something?
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: I mean, have I gone completely barking mad? Two professional
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: people who have worked for quite a few decades that
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: they've got a little bit behind them.
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: Have decided to buy a house.
• 37:30
  Speaker 19: Now.
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: I know the politics of this may not look good,
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: and clearly the reaction that we've seen kind of from
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: both sides politics here has been a little bit would
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: show you that the politics aren't great. But I must
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: be I must be the only one in the country
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: who think who has absolutely no problem with him at all.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's not just a house.
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: It's an extra house, it's a beach house.
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  Speaker 3: But it is all about the politics, isn't it, Liz.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: It's just rubbing salt into the wounds to the people
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to represent.
• 37:59
  Speaker 11: Yeah, not alone, justin I also have no problem with
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: it at all. Rich Man buys a house, big whoop de doo.
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: The problem is the timing of it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 21: The optics of it, and not just the optics, but
• 38:11
  Speaker 21: the fact that he knows at a time such as
• 38:14
  Speaker 21: this that those are going to be the optics, and
• 38:18
  Speaker 21: he did it anyway. This is a man who doesn't care.
• 38:21
  Speaker 21: He knew exactly that this would be picked up by
• 38:24
  Speaker 21: the media. He knew exactly how it was going to
• 38:27
  Speaker 21: be portrayed, because they're not half wrong, and he did
• 38:30
  Speaker 21: it anyway. So to me, it's that is more telling
• 38:34
  Speaker 21: than anything else. Oh, come on, we're talking about a
• 38:38
  Speaker 21: man who has very little world, real life experience, has
• 38:43
  Speaker 21: never run a business, has climbed it all the way
• 38:46
  Speaker 21: to the top of the sweezy pole.
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  Speaker 9: On justin of course he knew.
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: I don't think he knew it was going to be
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: a problem. And I'll tell you what that is. Why
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  Speaker 8: I think this because Albow has had a lot of
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: trouble selling things in the past and has had a
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: lot of trouble sort of reading the pulse of people.
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: And I don't I'm not surprised at all that he
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: had the trouble, had trouble reading the pulse of people
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  Speaker 8: on this one.
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  Speaker 9: Doesn't It's nonsense.
• 39:16
  Speaker 21: Lookunting his tenant to sell his other house. He was
• 39:22
  Speaker 21: a big deal in the media. He knew he was
• 39:24
  Speaker 21: in for another one. This is a man who doesn't
• 39:26
  Speaker 21: care good.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: He's tapped out that let's have a look at his place,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: because he also has also been unwise to buy it,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: a place called Copa Cabanta.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: But it's just so much.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Fun, isn't it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Justin have you seen this little number from Elbow?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Just it's going to be quite a circus. The first
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: when he moves.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: In up there, has his first weekend up there and
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: has been a backyard cricket.
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: You know what.
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: The thing that sort of shocks me is that I
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: knew all the words to that's that's probably the worst
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: thing for me.
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: But hang on a second.
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: People on your side of politics have been sticking up
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: for the for the little orange criminal in the United
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: States for years, and he's been rabbing on and tells
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: everyone how much money, how many property owns, and how
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: on how many how many golf clubs he owns?
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: The crime is going on about it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: No one ever backs him up on that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Is not being rich.
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: And again, nobody cares about the fact that Elbow is
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: a wealthy man who's brought himself. It's the timing of it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 21: It's the optics of it, and it's the fact that
• 40:55
  Speaker 21: regardless of him knowing both those factors, he did it anyway.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Also, are we still to believe.
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: That this guy is completely and utterly concerned about the
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: state of climate change?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Here in a no, no, obviously not beautiful. Cliff's going
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: to be all right? Yeah, the cliffs folks.
• 41:09
  Speaker 21: Of us have to suffer with these energy prices. We
• 41:12
  Speaker 21: have to suck on paper straws.
• 41:15
  Speaker 11: Nice stress goes on, but this guy no beachfront property.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Let us stick on the musical theme. Because when it
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: comes to Melbourne's race for the Lord Meryoralty, one of
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: the candidates, his name is Aaron Wood. He reckons he's
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: got this great idea to get Abba to Melbourne's docklands,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: or at least the AI version of Abba.
• 41:35
  Speaker 13: Have a look, Barry Madelowe Abba.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Is this going to swing votes in his favor or
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: against him?
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: Justin I'm shocked, shocked to discover that I knew all
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: the bloody words to that song.
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: How's it going to go?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: Anyone who knows the docklands in Melbourne knows that it's
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: a little bit of a little bit of a desert
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: down there and didn't really take off the way people
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: would thought, but would have thought so. I think any
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: injection will be great. But I would suggest this of
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: the Melbourne Lord mayoral race, that they will do absolute
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: The candidates will do absolutely anything. This is more fun
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: than the US presidential election. Down here we are they
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: can make that is too much. There's nothing they can
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: say that it is too much. It's it's I'm loving it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: It's a cracker.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Well, Couda's offering free coffee. Nick Reese is offering more
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: playgrounds again Abba with this guy, Maybe Nicholas re should
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: promise if he stays honors Lord Vera, they won't have abber.
• 42:47
  Speaker 21: I think that would work because ten million dollars, I mean,
• 42:51
  Speaker 21: Aaron Woods, do you want to win or not ten
• 42:53
  Speaker 21: million dollars for a three D hologram say it put
• 42:57
  Speaker 21: on a doco last the c I doubt very much
• 43:01
  Speaker 21: that rate payers at a time like now where everyone's
• 43:05
  Speaker 21: pinching the pennies, would be happy to splurge ten million
• 43:08
  Speaker 21: dollars on a Holker grama love Wolf Games.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: At least the AFL had the real Katie Perry. I
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: don't think they've got the real Sydney Swans though.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: That was the problem on that occasion. Now let's go
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: across the US.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: You wanted to talk about this Orange man, the Donald Trump.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: He had a fascinating, fascinating rally. Just in the last
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: twenty four hours, a couple of people got sick, like
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: medical emergencies in the crowd.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: So Donald Trump stopped the rally.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Didn't take any more questions, didn't want to talk politics,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: got them to play some music. It was quite considerate
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: in a way. But it went on for ages, for
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: about half an hour of just Trump and music and dancing.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Here's a little snippet of what went on.
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: I want this to be a really important evening. And
• 43:54
  Speaker 12: those two people that went down our patriots, and we
• 43:57
  Speaker 12: love them. Because of them, we ended up with good music,
• 44:00
  Speaker 12: right right, So play YMC. Go ahead, let's go nice
• 44:05
  Speaker 12: and laud everybody.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Nobody is leaving. What's going on?
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: There's nobody leaving? Keep going?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: We keep going? Should we keep going?
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: I turned that music up.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Turn it up, I reckon, that's hilarious. Now turn out,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I find you.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I was going to see Donald Trump dancing to YMC
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: A and here a bit of a Lennon cow and
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: sung by Riffus.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Right Wayne, right, I'm in.
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: I know, and many people were commenting on I really
• 44:36
  Speaker 11: like this guy's playlist, like he was.
• 44:38
  Speaker 21: Just rolling out banger after bank of the crowd were
• 44:41
  Speaker 21: getting into it.
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: And you're quite right in saying it seemed like the
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: only really appropriate thing to do, given that these were
• 44:48
  Speaker 11: medical emergencies.
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: It seems rather.
• 44:50
  Speaker 21: Brash if you were just to be like, well, my show,
• 44:52
  Speaker 21: the show must go on. So it was a very
• 44:55
  Speaker 21: respectful thing to do. But that didn't stop the Kamala campaign.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed for it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: So what I want to get to that's the interesting thing.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Haven't looked at these tweets because of the Kamala Harris
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: campaign tried to suggest all this show that Donald Trump
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: was losing his marbles. They put out a tweet saying
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Trump appears lost, confused, and frozen on stage as multiple
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: songs play for thirty minutes, and it was actually personally
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: retweeted by Kamala Harris saying.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: She hopes he's okay. This is a bit weird, isn't it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Justin Bigau they're obviously they're obviously feeling a bit wounded
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: by the obvious defects that were pointed out for a
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: long while in Joe Biden. Now they're trying to pretend
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: that Donald Trump is going centa.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's not good.
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: I think she could do a hell of a lot
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: better job than that, to be frank, I think she
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: could sort of, you know, throw out a bit of
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: inspiration and get a bit of vision going on and win.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: A few people. Have it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: Don't try.
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: The advice to her would be, don't try to out
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: Trump Trump. I mean, look, look at that rally that
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: he had where he's playing wy and she nothing against
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: the village people. I mean, we've had all the hits today, indeed,
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: I mean nothing again.
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: But but the.
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: Dimwits who vote for Trump. You could do anything at
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: those rallies.
• 46:05
  Speaker 9: You could have him playing seventy million people.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: They're all seventy million dim wits.
• 46:13
  Speaker 21: I reckon, you're going to be seeing a lot more
• 46:15
  Speaker 21: dim witz this time around.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Mate.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's certainly in front of the moment about it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: I don't doubt it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: He's certainly leading at the moment.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I tell you what, though, when it comes to talking
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: about whether everybody is has has their mental faculties in
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: ship shape order. The serving president, remember him, Joe Biden.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: He's still the president of the us. He's still the
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: leader of the free world. He tried to make a
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: bit of a quip here to help Kamela Harris, but
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: he got things awfully confused.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 46:42
  Speaker 12: She beat Trump so badly in the debate, He's scared
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: to death to beat her again.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: That's a fact. Tough guy, right, tough guy.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: She beat him so badly that Trump's scared to beat
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: her again.
• 46:56
  Speaker 11: Yes, what, Yes, this guy is basically a Morgue wonder.
• 47:00
  Speaker 11: At this point, he too is tapped out.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: He's done an elbow.
• 47:03
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure which one drew the.
• 47:05
  Speaker 11: Same conclusion at the same time first, but he's tapped out.
• 47:09
  Speaker 21: He really doesn't care. In fact, on a few occasions
• 47:12
  Speaker 21: he's shown how much he probably really dislikes this woman.
• 47:16
  Speaker 21: He's been turfed out.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: He's bitter about it. Sometimes.
• 47:19
  Speaker 21: I'm now wondering whether these days these are slip of
• 47:22
  Speaker 21: the tongues or if he's doing it deliberately.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: I still I do not understand. I will find We
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: might find out after its But if they lose, the
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Democrats lose and Trump wins again, the question that surely
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: will be asked is why he didn't resign, retire and
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: allow her to be sworn in as president, you know
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: before the election, you know, three months ago or four
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: months ago, a year ago.
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: Do you imagine you lot going on about that? We
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: imagine you a lot if that had happened.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it's what I was urging it for most of
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the year. I understand why.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: They didn't do it a lot more said anyway, that's
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: all the time we got for wrangling. Thanks so much,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: and go off and play your Barry Manilo and your
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Abba and what else did we have in there, Ymci.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: It's all their village people. Thanks for joining us, Justin
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: and Liz. We'll catch you next week.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: See if I can just squeeze in a bit of
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: your feedback from what I had to say last night
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: about the un letting Israel down in southern Lebanon. And
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: one viewer says, shame on UNIFIL, the IDF, that is,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: the Israeli Defense Forces doing the task that UNIFIL has
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: miserably failed for many years.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, spot on.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Another viewer says the world has gone blind over this issue, absolutely,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: and also Hisbllah is doomed.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Well we'll hope so.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: And one other viewer says, thank you Sky News for
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: being one of the very few news stations to defend
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Israel and to spread the truth about this war. We've
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: had feedback from Israel and around the world on that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. That's all the time we've got
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: for you tonight. I'll see you tomorrow. Here's Peter Criplin.