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Willson Contreras to the Mets? Are the Dodgers Ruining Baseball with Skubal and more! · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Kyle Gibson and the empty square is
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: where Lance Lynn hopefully will be at some point. It's
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: like the Brady Bunch almost. You can point at it. Hey,
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: where's Lance? Uh? Lances? Uh was supposed to be settled
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: into the airport as he's got a flight, and he
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: got hung up going through.
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: He got Hey got him.
• 0:34
  Speaker 3: He's gonna have to get it.
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe he didn't pass the background check
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  Speaker 2: for pre check, or I don't know, maybe he didn't
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  Speaker 2: pony up for clear. This is the only time I'm
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: ever going to make fun of him because he's not here. Obviously,
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: I'm scared to make fun of him. He's on the show,
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: but I can't believe he didn't pony up for clear. Lance.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: Come on, what are we doing?
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: He's sitting on a boatload of money?
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  Speaker 3: What a chiefs?
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: Get all right? We can say that because he's not here.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: But uh. The winter meetings have coming gone the Cardinals
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: very quiet. But there were some moves that I want
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  Speaker 1: to get your input, hopefully Lance's input as well, but
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: some moves that may impact what the Cardinals are looking
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: to do so, Pete Alonzo signs a five year, one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five million dollar free agent deal with
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  Speaker 1: the Orioles that could create a lane for Wilson Contreres
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  Speaker 1: as the Mets probably at this point have a vacancy
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  Speaker 1: at first base. But a little bit about Alonzo too,
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  Speaker 1: because I kind of feel like with all the big sluggers,
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: he gets underrated. This guy just turned thirty one, five
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  Speaker 1: hundred I'm sorry, five to sixteen career slug He's hit
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  Speaker 1: thirty four homers and more in six of his seven seasons.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a legitimate power bat. And to me,
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: I look at what the Orioles are doing. Kyle used
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  Speaker 1: to pitch there. They're not messing around now.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think that's a great move for him. I
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: love mount Castle. He's been a guy, you know, he's
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: a glue guy in that locker room, and he's a
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  Speaker 2: guy that I feel like they've tried to move or
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: tried to get going. Because when Mountie's going, he is
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  Speaker 2: a game changer for that lineup. But you look at
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  Speaker 2: Pete and I just like how he adds some hit
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  Speaker 2: to it as well, you know, a little difference for
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  Speaker 2: you know, between him and Shober to me. Obviously, Alonso
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  Speaker 2: plays defense, so he probably got a couple extra you
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  Speaker 2: know on the aav there, but you know, you have
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more hit to it. Shoreber has more walks,
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  Speaker 2: But there's real value in getting hits. You know, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: a walk doesn't drive in a guy from second all
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  Speaker 2: the time. Sometimes you need that hit. So adding a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of hit factor to that I think is
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  Speaker 2: really big, but you lose some of the power. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, everything I've heard about Alonso is, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 2: a great guy. He's going to fit into that locker room. Well,
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: they brought in that fence and left field, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure that might have been a little bit more attractive
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  Speaker 2: for him as well. But he's hitting city field too,
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing. He's hitting not exactly a great home
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  Speaker 2: park his entire career. So to have thirty four or
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  Speaker 2: more or whatever you say there, it's really impressive. Obviously,
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: he's the home run guy that you know, believes he's
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  Speaker 2: the best home run hitter in the game at all times.
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  Speaker 2: But mixing in I think he led the league in doubles,
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  Speaker 2: you know, mixing in forty plus doubles. He was almost
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  Speaker 2: a forty forty guy. That's it's impressive for a first
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  Speaker 2: basement and for any power hitter for that back.
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  Speaker 1: And he's hit fifty homers fifty plus in the season,
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: but he did it earlier in his career, so his
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: name kind of gets off the list when you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about big boppers. But you're talking about a guy who
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: changes the complexion of your lineup just by plugging him in.
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  Speaker 1: And again, he has a position first base, where Schwarber doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's important.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is important. You know, I think
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  Speaker 2: defense earlier in his career is probably a little bit better.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I think there's getting with certain coaches.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a video that I've seen
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  Speaker 2: about Bobby Dickerson when he was you know, with the Orioles,
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  Speaker 2: with working with Trey Mancini, and you know, getting to
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  Speaker 2: the ball. It's really big to get with a coach
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  Speaker 2: at first base, and that can really really help you
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  Speaker 2: with your hands. First base is I feel like a
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  Speaker 2: very underrated position because you just see most of the
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  Speaker 2: throws go to him, and if it's not scooped in
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  Speaker 2: the dirt, you're like oh well, I can't. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: don't blame the guy for not scooping it. But then
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: you see a guy like Goldie. You see, you see
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  Speaker 2: some of the better gloves around the league. Osmer is
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  Speaker 2: always good, Olson's good. You see those guys, how many
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  Speaker 2: balls that hit the dirt they get caught? Then your
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: infielders realize, you know, hey, that guy really.
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  Speaker 3: Saved me right there.
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  Speaker 2: Harper is another guy that transitioned really well and played
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  Speaker 2: first base, and first basements can do a lot. So
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  Speaker 2: I think with a little bit of glove work here
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  Speaker 2: and there, I think he can, you know, have those
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  Speaker 2: defensive numbers up and be big. But if he's a
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  Speaker 2: DH in three or three years, you know they missed
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  Speaker 2: out on Shorebert. If he's a DH in three or
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  Speaker 2: three years, then he's the same guy that you were
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  Speaker 2: getting Shorbur to be, you know, for his whole career too.
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  Speaker 1: It's a perfect segue into Wilson Contrera. It's a guy
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  Speaker 1: who was a catcher now that's putting it out there
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  Speaker 1: that maybe he could catch again if he's with the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 1: I don't buy that part. But he transitioned to first base.
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  Speaker 1: I had my doubts he was really really good at
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  Speaker 1: first base. I was surprised how easily that he was
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  Speaker 1: able to pick that up. So, first off, I think
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  Speaker 1: folks in New York would go crazy for Wilson Contreras
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  Speaker 1: if in fact that's even part of the discussion, because
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  Speaker 1: Wilson told me and other media members at the end
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: of the season he wanted to stay, but apparently there's
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  Speaker 1: some movement with that. But don't you think Wilson would
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  Speaker 1: be a good fit for the Mets, especially since Alonso
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  Speaker 1: is gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think New York seems like, for
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: whatever they're trying to do here, they're either trying to
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: shake up the corps a little bit, or they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to add some guys to who they believe is their
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: core between Lindor and Soto and Viento's So they're obviously
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  Speaker 2: trying to add some new blood in there, and I
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  Speaker 2: think Wilson would be a great fit for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of teams. I obviously hope he stays in Lewis. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: defensively at first base. One thing about catchers going to first,
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  Speaker 2: especially in today's game, you know, you see a lot
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  Speaker 2: of catchers on fastballs, especially not going down the block
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  Speaker 2: and really using their glove to scoop and push it
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  Speaker 2: forward and if they can reach for that, breaking the
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  Speaker 2: ball in the dirt. They've gotten so good at reading
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  Speaker 2: where it's gonna bounce, it's almost like, if it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: bounce behind the plate, they would rather take their glove
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  Speaker 2: and push it forward so that they don't go to
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  Speaker 2: their knees and give that runner an easier read to
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  Speaker 2: take the extra base. So I feel like Wilson's transition
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  Speaker 2: first was a whole lot easier because he's he was
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  Speaker 2: good back there doing that. So for him to just
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  Speaker 2: go from pushing them all forward to catching them off
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  Speaker 2: first base seemed like a pretty easy transition form.
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  Speaker 3: And made it made it everybody good.
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: Now you haven't made it yet. You got a flight,
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  Speaker 2: you're not.
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  Speaker 3: There yet, we're halfway home, or check that at least.
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna have to. They're gonna going to have
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: the boarding process as well. I'm surprised you don't have
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  Speaker 1: like some sort of v.
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  Speaker 3: I under a kids under age nobody has a real
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  Speaker 3: ID because they're not of age. They don't like that
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  Speaker 3: the world we live in now.
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  Speaker 1: No, but a kid doesn't need an ID, right, the
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  Speaker 1: kid doesn't need an ID.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, when you're thirteen year old's five foot eight
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  Speaker 3: and looks like she's twenty one, you have those issues.
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  Speaker 1: So we were talking about the Orioles getting Alonzo five years,
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: big contract, one hundred and fifty million plus, and we're
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: talking about whether Wilson Contreras, who made a great transition
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  Speaker 1: to first base, seems like a good fit for the
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  Speaker 1: Mets if he's willing to wave the straight Just your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that definitely fits you're looking at They need
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  Speaker 3: a right handed bat, they need some power, they need
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  Speaker 3: some you know, they need to answer some energy in
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  Speaker 3: that lineup, probably from losing a guy like Het. So
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  Speaker 3: definitely think that that's kind of a place that fits
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  Speaker 3: for him. And I think some other pieces that the
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: Cardinals have so called been saying that they're on the
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  Speaker 3: block kind of fit to So there might be a
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  Speaker 3: way that I think you could work out where hey,
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  Speaker 3: they take the money and they kind of maybe there's
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: a reliever, you know, I think they're looking for a
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  Speaker 3: back end reliever because they've lost two. You know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: that's a fit for Jojo too. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things that fit with that trade, if they're really
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  Speaker 3: for sure trying to move those two.
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: Guys, tell me if I'm crazy on this, But they
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  Speaker 1: traded Nemo to Texas. They need an outfielder, and a
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: lot of teams apparently are interested in Nude. Even though
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: he's coming off the two heel surgeries, he seems like
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  Speaker 1: a fit for the met someone crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then now you throw a third guy in there,
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  Speaker 3: and now it's kind of a no doubter just to
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  Speaker 3: see what's available, and you know that's a lot. The
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  Speaker 3: Cardinals are prebat going to win a lot for all
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  Speaker 3: three of those guys in one group. So it's good
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  Speaker 3: to be the question of a what package is available
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  Speaker 3: to actually make that happen. But the three guys that
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  Speaker 3: are most talked about on the trade block are a
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  Speaker 3: fit in New York, And to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 3: so's Nato. Aaron not is a fit for New York too,
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  Speaker 3: needing a right handed bat, a guy that can pull
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: homers in that ballpark with the way it's said up
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  Speaker 3: and last year he was talking about being okay with
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  Speaker 3: playing first if need be to make a trade work too,
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  Speaker 3: And it just so happens that they need a right
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  Speaker 3: handed hitting first baseman, and the Cardinals technically have two
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  Speaker 3: guys that fit that mold right there for them. So
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be interesting if if something works out with
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: the Mets, because all signs point to at least one
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  Speaker 3: of those right handed hitters and maybe a reliever and
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: or Newt going going there because that's what they're looking for.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: And you know, Newt's probably on the cheaper side than
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: the free agent guys are, so maybe you can you
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: can mixmatch that with a Nado or Contrasts contract where
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: you don't have to eat any money, and.
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  Speaker 2: The Mets my question would be, though, my question be
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: those can you get enough out of that package to
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  Speaker 2: make it worth moving a controllable reliever and Newt Bar
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  Speaker 2: because once again, I know Newt struggle, but his floor
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: is an MLB average hitter and an above defender that's
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: valuable with his ceiling being you know, borderline All Star,
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: maybe a Gold Glover out there. So I mean, I
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: think there's there's real value to trade there. But do
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: you use the controllable reliever and Newt bar to offset
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: paying for Wilson paying for part of that? Maybe, but
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: I still think you're doing yourself a disservice if you're
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: just making a move just to get rid of the money.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: I think they are flushed with young pitching prospects. So
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: the Mets have a lot of young talented pictures in
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: the pipe.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going off of the Sunny Gray trade. They're looking
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: like they'd rather they're figuring it out a way for
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: offset money more so than they are for the package
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: they're getting back. So I mean, it's just depends. But
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think Wilson's Wilston's contract doesn't look terrible right
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: now because of because of you know what I'm saying.
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: So they might not even have to eating that. And
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: I was going to say that from the get good,
• 11:09
  Speaker 3: I would say Nato is the one that everyone's saying, Oh,
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: they're gonna have to eat some money to make that move.
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: So if you're talking about newt And and Wilson and
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: Jojo to New York, if that's a possibility, they should
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: get a boatload of players or some or at least
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: you know, you're trying to get four high end guys
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: that are either ready for big leagues or they are
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: they can you know, you're looking at mid mid seasons
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: and then next thing, we know, you're and you got
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: to pick what you want. Right Where am I at?
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: My second base of the future is probably good. My
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: short shop of the future is good. Am I good with? Uh?
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: You know I'm good at catcher with all the catchers
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  Speaker 3: that I have? You know? Okay, Now where do I
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: fill in around? Is it? Do I get a you know,
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: do I get a couple of corner outfitters? Do I
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: get I n starters upside? You know, it just depends
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: on what you're looking for. So there's a lot of
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: different ways that could go about. And those guys and
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously New York's have fit with with you know,
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: they're not they don't have pizza money. They got off
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: the books, so they've got a lot of you know,
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: there was thirty five to whatever he's making last year.
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: That you can get all those guys for less than
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: thirty it's not a bad, no bad. It depends on
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: how much you're willing to give up prospect wids to
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  Speaker 3: make that happen.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a break here, we'll come back
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: with more. I was just curious to get your guys'
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: thoughts on the Cardinals not pulling any deals. It's early
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  Speaker 1: The hot stove keeps cooking. But the Cardinals didn't get
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: anything done. At the winter meetings, Heinbloom was on a
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: foul territory where he said, look, we didn't do anything,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: and we have nothing up our sleeves, but you know,
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: the phones work and we're open for business. Kyle, is
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: there any takeaway you have from the Cardinals not getting
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: anything on during that period?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I think what you don't
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: do in this situation, if you're the Cardinals, I think
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: somewhat you've laid out a little bit of your plans.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: We talked about this maybe early on, you know, with
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: our move here before in the earlier podcast, But you
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: kind of laid out your moves here what you want
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: to do trading guys, which is somewhat showing your hand
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit. So if you're gonna do that, then
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: I think you have to stick to your asking price,
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: because you've essentially already come down by telling them they're available.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: So I think you stick to what you're looking for because,
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  Speaker 2: as I still believe, you can always pivot and add
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: a pitcher and add a bullpen guy and maybe an
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: outfield back. And I think you're a playoff team, so
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: I think that I don't know, I would not give
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: up guys like Donovan and Newt Bar and Wilson, uh,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: just just to be making moves and trade lance.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: You think there's gonna be a wrecking ball in terms
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: of players Delta lay.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm The more I look at it
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: and the more I see things, I think, if I'm
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: going to have what he wants, it's Wilson and Nato
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  Speaker 3: gone and the rest of those pieces stay. And then
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: you and then be honest with you, you figure out which
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: one of them or which couple of them you're going
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: to lock up to make kind of your next wave
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: of the group that's going to build the future with
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: all the young guys that you've acquired in the last
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: half a season, with trade deadlines and this and that,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: and then you figure out, hey, what free agent pieces
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: that are still here after January one that need a
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: job and how do they fill in? And how can
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: I get a one for five here for this guy
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  Speaker 3: this guy? And then, like Kyle said, then you're looking
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: at a chance to be a contender in the central
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: if you add the right veteran pieces or free agent
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: pieces that are kind of people are going to call
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: it the scrap heap at the end, but those are
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: guys that are looking to prove their worth. They're looking
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: to get a one year deal and be better to
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: hopefully go into free agency next year. So I think
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: there's a lot that especially if you keep Donavan new
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: and you look at those guys that hey, here can
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: we do. But even if you keep Wilson and Nato
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: and you look at oh, now we don't need a
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: right handed bat that we keep saying we need. So
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: then you look at that way, it's like, oh, maybe
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: I just add a starter on a one year deal.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'd add two bullpen pieces because I know La
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: he's going in the rotation at some point, if not
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: the start of the year, and next thing, I know,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I've got everything covered along with the arms that I've
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: stockpiled over the last trade deadline to this winter.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I think lay starts in the rotation and he gets
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: double digit wins. I'm a fan of that guy. Last thing,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: because Lance got to get on a plane and Kyle,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I know, has other things to take care. I wanted
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: to ask you about schoobl right, everyone's heard the rumors
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: he's going to the Dodgers, and people are freaking out
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: about that. If he goes to the Dodgers, the world
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: is coming to an end. The Dodgers, because they're so
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: good and because they spend more than anyone else, have
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: become the villains of Major League Baseball. Do do you
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: sense that people are like there's a backlash against the Dodgers.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I think somebody I can't
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: remember who laid it out, but I heard it played
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: out pretty good yesterday. Everybody was upset with the Angels
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: for how long? Because they wasted the prime of Mike
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Trout Right, Like, he's played in three playoff games. He's
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: still in his prime, but they've wasted him to this point.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Right now, the Dodgers go and get Show Hey, the
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: best player of our generation and maybe of all time.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: What are they not doing. They are not taking a
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: chance of letting him play out his contract and not
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: winning multiple World Series. They're saying, we've gone all in
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: on Show Hey. So we're going all in the rest
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: of the way and we're going to leave nothing to doubt.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And now everybody hates the Dodgers for doing it. So
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: which side do you want to do you want to
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: hate the team for not building around Trout or do
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: you want to hate the team for build around show? Hey, Like,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think once again we've said this before.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Literally every team has the ability to go do this.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Every team has the ability.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: The Pirates, they have the ability to lock up Paul
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Schemes right now and give him the deal that he
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: wants to.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Stay at Pittsburgh.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Every team has ab able to do it. Not every
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: team has the ability to trade for a Trek school well,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: because maybe they don't have the prospect capital. But every
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: team the Tiger's gonna say right now that we want
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to lock him up, and they could get it done
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and have the money to do it. So we can
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: hate the Dodgers all we want, but they're making sure
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: that they don't waste the seven hundred million dollars if
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: they pay, and that they're gonna pay for the next
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: thirty years because they're paying for this guy for a
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Fair point is the hatred toward the hundreds with plays Land.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if I'm hating anybody, I'm hating Detroit
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: right now for not paying the kid that's won two
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: cy youngs for you when he's making pennies technically off
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: for what he's worth. So that's the team you should hate. Now,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers are going to give up, you know what,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: six prospects to get a kid to go do his
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: thing and then probably give him four hundred million dollars,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: but defer thirty million a year just so he doesn't
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: have to pay taxes. Sorry for being smarter than the
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: rest of you and having a pair. So no, I
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: don't think you hate them. You hate the teams that
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: are not man enough to pay the guys that are
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: there doing the things that you want from them, and
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: then you're scared to pay when it comes time. So
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: those are the teams you should be mad at.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: So I've heard both sides, hello, both sides that it
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: could happen. It won't happen. Before we go, Kyle, do
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you think we're going to see Schooble in a Dodger's uniform.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think it happens.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think it happens, and I think ultimately he
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: stays in Detroit. I think they find way.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Say ten years four hundred.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I know they're because he's no picture is going to
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: get that, right, So like, that's just that's not gonna happen.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Going going years for a picture is six to eight,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: so that's what it's going to be.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: And you say, hey, this is.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: What this is the forty or forty one that here
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: it is for six years?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: What Garrett cole get he got ten at three sixty. Yeah,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: but it's happened, and it has happened. I'm just saying,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: would I would I do it? No, But if you're
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: his agent, it's going to be north of what col
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: got for ten years, So there's four hundred.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Might be honest with gentlemen, Thank you, Uh travels. You
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: just want to see everyone get paid. I don't blame it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Hey, you get mad at the Dodgers and show. They
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: gave show a bunch of money and then decided to
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: own Japan and every endorsement deal possible. Sorry, they're smarter
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: than everybody.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I forget. Let's not forget what the show deal. Other
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: teams had the chance to do the same thing, right.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: He was very open from the reports that he wanted
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: to do this type of deal with whoever it was
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: to help them win. Right now, most teams have the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: ability to pay him over thirty years, and only one.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Had a lifetime ambassador of Japan in one year.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: In one year, he's paid for the deal.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Gentlemen, thank you for the thoughts. I feel smarter lance again,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Save travels. That's going to do it for this edition
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you next time and hopefully
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: that episode won't suck.