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The Big Issues - November 30 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine
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Speaker 1: three sixty and it is time for the big issues,
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Speaker 1: and the big fellows are in the studio with us
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Speaker 1: right now.
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Speaker 2: We've got Dave told no good morning to.
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Speaker 3: You, Good morning Katie, and.
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Speaker 4: I don't know who this bike in the corner creeping,
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Speaker 4: creepy and hales all capital letters, sort of.
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Speaker 2: Like move back. When you walked into the studio.
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Speaker 5: Looks like a rat looking over. A hedge.
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Speaker 3: Is on the bottom. I can understand your gray something
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Speaker 3: on the top, what's on the bottom.
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Speaker 2: It can't explain a different person.
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Speaker 6: It's coming off today. All right, it's done. I've going
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Speaker 6: to dinner with council colleagues tonight. Got the cat commissioner
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Speaker 6: coming in for a chat.
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Speaker 7: It's a little tell tale sign of people without self respect.
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Speaker 5: So it took a.
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Speaker 6: While to get it going because it's just used to
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Speaker 6: being shaved and now it's into mouth.
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Speaker 5: Oh oh, it's terrible. That's got to go. So I've
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Speaker 5: got a lot of respect for Sana.
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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, let's talk about some of the issues fighting around.
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Speaker 1: There's a few things that we want to get into,
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Speaker 1: but I do want to go to first this we've
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Speaker 1: got this new strain.
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Speaker 2: Obviously have COVID the omra con cases.
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Speaker 1: So the Chief Medical Officer, Paul Kelly, says the symptoms
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Speaker 1: of the cases in Australia have been very mild or
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Speaker 1: in fact no disease, but warns that there are mixed
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Speaker 1: reports from South Africa. So five cases identified in Australia.
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Speaker 1: One of those here in the Northern Territory, a person
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Speaker 1: returning on one of those repat flights. The Health Minister
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Speaker 1: was on the show earlier this morning and said that
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Speaker 1: there's no risk to the wider community that person straight
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Speaker 1: into Howard Springs. You know, I just hope that it
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Speaker 1: doesn't have a huge impact in terms of Australia opening up,
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Speaker 1: because we know that tomorrow was the day, as I
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Speaker 1: understand it, that we were meant to have international students
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Speaker 1: also some of those on himitarian visas arriving back in Australia.
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Speaker 1: But this does put a bit of a spanner in
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Speaker 1: the works and they have delayed that to something.
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Speaker 7: I think it's fair to say I'm not really worried
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Speaker 7: about the omnichrome virus as much as I'm worried about
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Speaker 7: the decision that government makes on it.
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Speaker 3: You know, that is awfully scary.
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Speaker 7: But the other interesting thing about this one is you
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Speaker 7: look at an anagram of omnichron is moronic and you
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Speaker 7: just sort of it is and you just wonder where
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Speaker 7: that someone's taken a pisce.
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Speaker 3: You really do, because.
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Speaker 7: If you feel that, the other thing is if you
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Speaker 7: follow the Greek girlf a bit. The next letter up
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Speaker 7: was actually she Xi, but for some reason or rather
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Speaker 7: they've skipped she which, like I say, I think someone's
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Speaker 7: just simply taken a piece. It's quite moronic.
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Speaker 6: Well I've had I've actually broken my COVID nineteen virginity.
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Speaker 5: Well, no, I know some and he's got it.
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Speaker 6: It's taken. It's taken all this time the first time. Yes,
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Speaker 6: one of my former footballers. And he said that I
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Speaker 6: could mention his name, but Troy Coats who Nicholas medallist, Yeah,
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Speaker 6: calling him and his kid does.
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Speaker 5: He lives in Bendigo.
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Speaker 6: He's a school teacher, so he's a genuine, genuine, genuine
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Speaker 6: COVID nineteen victim. And I know one now and there
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Speaker 6: was twenty kids I think at the school in bendy
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Speaker 6: Go where he's talking and he's a pe teacher. So
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Speaker 6: obviously throwing balls around or something like that. It's he's
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Speaker 6: got it. So I actually know someone. But what he
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Speaker 6: did say, and I was thinking, like I got vaccinated.
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Speaker 6: I was double vaxed by June one. And I've had
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Speaker 6: a great dry season, not a flu. I haven't had
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Speaker 6: a sniffle. Usually used to get some sort of flu
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Speaker 6: or some stage. Just growing this mustache that filters most
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Speaker 6: of the germs out before they get to my mouth.
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Speaker 6: And so what comes out what he said it was.
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Speaker 6: What he said was he's just felt really tired. And
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Speaker 6: he's a fitness fan that this guy runs and still
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Speaker 6: playing footy mid thirties, and he just said he's just
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Speaker 6: been sleeping for two weeks.
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Speaker 5: I just couldn't get out of bed.
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Speaker 1: Well, both my niece and nephew had COVID. They live
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Speaker 1: in the UK. They both had COVID fourteen and thirteen.
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Speaker 1: And there in the UK, you have to test yourself.
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Speaker 1: You obviously get that positive test, and then you need
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Speaker 1: to go you get the actual other tests and at
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Speaker 1: the hospital, and then you've got to isolate.
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Speaker 2: At home for those two weeks.
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Speaker 1: Both of them crooked to different levels and and look,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think that it's there's I know that
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Speaker 1: there's some people in the community who are like.
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Speaker 2: Oh, do you know anyone who's had it? Is it
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Speaker 2: even real? Well, yeah it is. And I think that
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Speaker 2: the more that goes on, probably you recommended a.
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Speaker 7: Good represent two out of three people of it know
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Speaker 7: someone who's at.
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Speaker 2: It because you actually, we've been so we've been so
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Speaker 2: much territory.
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Speaker 5: We have the done a great job.
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Speaker 6: You can't deny the fact that, you know, the government
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Speaker 6: has done a very good job keeping it out of
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Speaker 6: the territory.
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Speaker 3: Yep, argu you reckon the government did that.
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Speaker 5: They can't.
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Speaker 7: You're the most isolated places in the world.
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Speaker 3: You think it's a government do it?
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Speaker 5: Still, it's good coming to day. There's other parts of the.
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Speaker 7: World that company here. It's going everywhere. It's going to
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Speaker 7: be everywhere. And the thing is, you know, the JAB
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Speaker 7: doesn't make you immune.
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Speaker 1: From it here, but we all know that, but it
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Speaker 1: means that you don't end up on the body ventilator
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Speaker 1: or you don't end up in intensive care, which I
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Speaker 1: think is well worth well worth getting the vaccine force
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Speaker 1: for me And how.
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Speaker 5: Happy were we when Tolly got vaccinated.
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Speaker 2: It was surprised he was worried about putting it.
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Speaker 6: Was out there smoking a cigarette and telling me how
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Speaker 6: he's worried about putting chemicals into his body.
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Speaker 5: As it all is down on another gasp and there's
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Speaker 5: that laugh. I don't know about these cares and.
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Speaker 6: Cigarette because we don't we want the big fellow around
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Speaker 6: for a long time.
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Speaker 3: I reckon they're just taking the piece with it.
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Speaker 1: But seriously, I don't think so ild Hope not heard it.
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Speaker 5: First here They could be first.
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Speaker 3: Worried about the government reaction, though. I am about Ron.
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Speaker 1: We did just catch up with Senator Sam McMahon. She
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Speaker 1: was literally just on the show talking about the fact
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Speaker 1: that she has introduced this legislation to the Parliament yesterday,
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Speaker 1: the Territory Rights Bill. I know that the three of
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Speaker 1: us have spoken about this before. I mean, do you
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Speaker 1: reckon we're actually is it going to happen finally? Do
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Speaker 1: you think or are we in a situation where we're
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Speaker 1: just going round and around about here?
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Speaker 7: Well, politics is sort of quite interesting. It's a bit
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Speaker 7: hard to sort of read at the moment. I see
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Speaker 7: she crossed the floor the other day with an of
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Speaker 7: them and whatnot. And I think the fact is people
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Speaker 7: are trying to treat see him with some kid gloves
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Speaker 7: given the fact that she's she's not going to be
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Speaker 7: around after this next election, or it's unlikely that she
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Speaker 7: will be. And I've got to say, I think Sam
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Speaker 7: McMahon's really come out of a skin in the last
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Speaker 7: twelve months. I say she's really kicking goals now on me.
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Speaker 7: So it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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Speaker 6: It's funny ever since she got this endorsed, basically when
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Speaker 6: they picked just center Price, it's sort of it breaks
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Speaker 6: the shackles a little bit, i'd imagine, so you know,
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Speaker 6: she can come out and the liberal coalition of always
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Speaker 6: you know, they talk of the broad Church and they've
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Speaker 6: been far less disciplined in regards to what people's positions
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Speaker 6: are to say, what labor members are expected to rust
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Speaker 6: in behind the you know, the position of the party.
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Speaker 6: So she's basically broke the shackles and she's out.
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Speaker 5: Job after the next election.
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Speaker 7: Talking about inside stuff. But the other thing that's I
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Speaker 7: think it's been most notable is this the minutes she's
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Speaker 7: employed Ashley Manicaris, things have changed for her quite rapidly.
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Speaker 7: She seems to be getting good, solid political advice. Now
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Speaker 7: she's really hitting her straps in a big way. And
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Speaker 7: I put a lot of it down to the to
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Speaker 7: the help she's getting from Ashley Well.
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Speaker 1: And the thing that I like, the thing that I
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Speaker 1: actually liked about this going into the Parliament yesterday is
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Speaker 1: that it was actually and she said this herself just
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Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, said that it was true bipartisanships.
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Speaker 1: So essentially Labor had given up their spots so that
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Speaker 1: she could introduce this legislation. And you know, I don't
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Speaker 1: know whether it is going to happen. She said that
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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be debated early next year
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Speaker 1: or discussed early next year.
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Speaker 2: So will I.
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Speaker 1: Suppose all kind of come down to a little bit
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Speaker 1: with content the last vote that you know, it's sort
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Speaker 1: of I think the Libs were unfairly targeted, but it
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Speaker 1: was it was a conscience vote as well.
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Speaker 7: Kevin Andrews put up a private member's bill to have
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Speaker 7: our legislation overturned and on the conscience fe it lost
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Speaker 7: interesting to see whether there's been a change since of
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Speaker 7: conscience since then, you know it's over well, it's well
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Speaker 7: over twenty years ago that it was ruled out, So
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Speaker 7: a lot of things have happened in the last twelve months, well,
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Speaker 7: the last twenty years. It's completely different Parliament, different players
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Speaker 7: there all together to see how it goes.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the two facets of it obviously are the rights
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Speaker 6: of Territorians, which is one part of it. Even if
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Speaker 6: people are opposed to the right to take your own life,
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Speaker 6: you don't find too many Territorians that will defend being
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Speaker 6: dictated to by Canberra. And then there's obviously the other part.
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Speaker 5: Of the people the issue is, Yeah, it depends, but
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Speaker 5: the other part.
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Speaker 6: Of it is people that want to have the right
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Speaker 6: to take their own life. So I think they've and
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Speaker 6: I think for me it's about equality Austraians, you know,
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Speaker 6: we should have equal rights on this and Victoria had
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Speaker 6: their parliament approved this past this bill a couple of
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Speaker 6: years ago, so they can have rights to take their
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Speaker 6: own life in Victoria and in cases so Territorian should
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Speaker 6: be given the same rights as other Australians now, I.
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Speaker 7: Think, you know, on that point though, it's interesting how
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Speaker 7: you know, particularly the left cherry pick some of these things.
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Speaker 7: You know, it's all good well to sit there and
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Speaker 7: say we've got to have rights to determine euthanasia, but
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Speaker 7: sit there and ask them whether we should have the
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Speaker 7: right to determine what happens on the territory land mass
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Speaker 7: and whether the Aborige land rights actually be taken away
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Speaker 7: from canber and given to the Northern Territory government. A
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Speaker 7: lot of people would sit there and say, well, that'd
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Speaker 7: be a great thing. But I can tell you what,
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Speaker 7: and you'd know yourself highly from past experience, that there'd
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Speaker 7: be a whole lot of objection to that.
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Speaker 1: And speaking of these different issues, these different federal issues,
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Speaker 1: I suppose we are all waiting to see exactly when
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Speaker 1: the federal election is called, and we do know that
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Speaker 1: there was some changes now it's probably I guess it
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Speaker 1: was a week or so ago, and it's been reported
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Speaker 1: that politicians across the party isle have slapped down the
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Speaker 1: government's bid to make voters show id at polling booths
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Speaker 1: as unnecessary and limiting people's rights. So MP's and senators
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Speaker 1: found that there wasn't enough evidence to show the changes
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Speaker 1: requiring requiring voters to provide identifications such as a driver's
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Speaker 1: license or Medicare cards were necessary. What were your thoughts
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Speaker 1: on this one?
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Speaker 7: Well, to me, it's inevitable sooner or later, you're going
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Speaker 7: to have to identify who you are when you go
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Speaker 7: to vote. You know, the fact is you have to
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Speaker 7: identify in the Northern Territory. You have to identify yourself
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Speaker 7: to buy a cart and a beer from a bottle. Ay,
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Speaker 7: for God's sakes, you know, is it too much to
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Speaker 7: ask that people turn up with ID to carc vote?
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Speaker 1: Well, the Indigenous Australians Minister ken White, He's insisted that
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Speaker 1: the changes the government wanted to put in place before
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Speaker 1: the election due by May were necessary.
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Speaker 2: He said no voter.
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Speaker 1: Will be denied the right to vote, but obviously wanted
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Speaker 1: people to be showing that idea.
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Speaker 2: Does anyone turn up twice? Well?
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Speaker 6: I think in the twenty twelve election was the last
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Speaker 6: time I heard some stats on that there was about
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Speaker 6: sixteen thousand people that voted, more than once.
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Speaker 5: You think, get a life, But it's a very small proportion.
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Speaker 6: And I think the thing about voting, and I've always
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Speaker 6: I rushed out when I was eighteen, I couldn't wait
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Speaker 6: to vote. But a lot of people are disengaged and
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Speaker 6: currently in our last council election, we had a big
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Speaker 6: high turnout or a high group of people that didn't
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Speaker 6: go at all. You know, we need to do things
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Speaker 6: wherever possible to get people engaged in the democratic process,
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Speaker 6: and we have often in my other role other than
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Speaker 6: a part time radio celebrity with Dave as I work
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Speaker 6: with people with disabilities from remote communities and often these
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Speaker 6: guys come in and they haven't you know, they haven't
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Speaker 6: got their ID and we have to go and organize
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Speaker 6: some ID for them and get a Basics card which
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Speaker 6: has been lost, or we have to go and get
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Speaker 6: a Medicare card sorted out. So there's a lot of
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Speaker 6: other issues out in communities where you know, it's not
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Speaker 6: as easy as it is for people in here to
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Speaker 6: have idea and I think and I hate to see
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Speaker 6: those people not getting an opportunity to exercise their democratic right.
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Speaker 5: So I don't think it's a big issue.
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Speaker 6: I don't think it's something that has to be pushed
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Speaker 6: through right here and now. As Dave said, it might
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Speaker 6: end up being inevitable in the future, but I think
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Speaker 6: right here and now, I don't think it's a big issue.
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Speaker 7: This weekend, of course, is the New South Wales local
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Speaker 7: government elections.
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Speaker 3: I didn't know whether you're aware of this. You will
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Speaker 3: look a bit surprised, and I know that I don't
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Speaker 3: really care. That's not many people really care about local government.
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Speaker 3: I know, Hailey days, I always cared about.
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Speaker 7: La government available of government. But you know, not a
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Speaker 7: lot of people take notice of local government elections. But
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Speaker 7: local government elections occurring this weekend in New South Wales
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Speaker 7: and you know what in New South Wales now nobody
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Speaker 7: can go to vade unless they actually check in with.
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Speaker 2: Their phone, and.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, inevitably they have to identify themselves before they're going
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Speaker 7: to be allowed to walk into the parling booth. And
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Speaker 7: you sort of wonder about May next year. I mean,
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Speaker 7: if we've got.
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Speaker 3: All these Bedweathers still wet in their bed about.
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Speaker 7: COVID and that sort of stuff, it's more than likely
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Speaker 7: people are going to have to show what ID to.
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Speaker 3: Get into vote here. Checking across the country, well, that
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Speaker 3: was one of.
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Speaker 1: The problems that we've had though with the Catherine outbreak,
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Speaker 1: is that we'd spoken to the owner of Kirby's Pub
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Speaker 1: and she'd said that, you know, for some of the
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Speaker 1: people that go in there, some of those patrons they
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Speaker 1: couldn't check in, so they were having to sign in
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Speaker 1: and then there was difficulty in terms of locating those people.
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Speaker 2: So I do think that it's a.
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Speaker 1: Little bit different here in the Northern Territory to what
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Speaker 1: it is in Bloody BONDI.
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Speaker 7: And you know, Harley made the point about sixteen thousand
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Speaker 7: people not being many, you know, but the question is
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Speaker 7: where are they sixteenth there? Where's that fraud happening? You know,
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Speaker 7: if it happened, if there was sixteen thousand in our election,
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Speaker 7: Harley in teeth seven, or even a small percentage of that,
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Speaker 7: it would have made an enormous difference to the election outcome.
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Speaker 7: And like, I mean, the fact.
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Speaker 5: Is times that day, well well there you go. You know,
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Speaker 5: you know that.
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Speaker 1: I told you that.
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Speaker 5: That's the party told you.
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Speaker 6: So I voted at about six different booths that day
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Speaker 6: and no one picked it up.
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Speaker 7: But look, you know, the fact is you've got a
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Speaker 7: supply id for a whole range of things these days.
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Speaker 7: Something is important as voting. I think it's just makes
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Speaker 7: obvious sense that people are going to have to demonstrate
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Speaker 7: who they are. Anyone who thinks that voted for all
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Speaker 7: doesn't occur is delusional. And the fact is most people want,
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Speaker 7: you know, to feel there's integrity in our election system.
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Speaker 6: And I think if we ever went to electronic voting,
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Speaker 6: so you just get a code sent to you and
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Speaker 6: you use your code to log on and vote, to
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Speaker 6: make it hell of a lot easier in some areas
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Speaker 6: and more difficulty in others. Obviously you'd still have to
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Speaker 6: have manual voting in some areas. But I know in
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Speaker 6: the United States some states have electronic voting. But I
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Speaker 6: suppose we stuff to sense us up a few years ago.
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Speaker 7: So after every single election campaign, party members of all
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Speaker 7: parties will feel that they've been robbed depending on the
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Speaker 7: outcome of the of the vote. And you know, look,
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Speaker 7: I've been around long enough with the C or P
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Speaker 7: side of things, particularly out Bush. You sit there and
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Speaker 7: you go, well, we're getting ripped off every time. We
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Speaker 7: don't have people there who can speak in language, laborer
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Speaker 7: loading up buses with people, and who knows who they're
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Speaker 7: bringing in, and you know, the people who are checking
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Speaker 7: their identities a laborer line. Now, all this stuff is anecdotal,
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Speaker 7: you know. But to sit there and say there's no truth,
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Speaker 7: isn't it? Well, who knows and who knows what goes
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Speaker 7: on in some of these isolated parts of the countryside,
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Speaker 7: you know, And an easy way of fixing it is
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Speaker 7: just have a system of identification to say who you are,
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Speaker 7: get your name crossed off.
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Speaker 3: You only vaight once.
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Speaker 1: Well, look we are going to take a very short break.
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Speaker 1: It is just ten minutes away from eleven o'clock. You
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Speaker 1: are listening to the Big Issues with Dave Tolner and
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Speaker 1: Damien Hale. You are listening to Mix one oh four
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Speaker 1: point nine's three sixty. It is just six minutes away
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Speaker 1: from eleven o'clock and in the studio with me this morning,
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Speaker 1: Dave Tolder and Damien Hale. Now, one of the stories
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Speaker 1: that is making headlines on the ABC online this morning
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Speaker 1: this morning is that tougher bail laws have triggered a
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Speaker 1: surge in young people being held in detention in the
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory, including the first ten year old to be
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Speaker 1: held in don Dale since the twenty seventeen Royal Commission
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Speaker 1: into Youth Detention. So it comes as the Northern Territory
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Speaker 1: government confirmed a police watchhouse has been placed on a
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Speaker 1: standby to cope with the extra demand. The ABC's also
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Speaker 1: revealed the development of the fifty five million dollar replacement
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Speaker 1: of don Dale, which was recommended in the twenty seventeen
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Speaker 1: Royal Commission that it's been redesigned to increase that capacity
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Speaker 1: by thirty percent.
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Speaker 2: So this dart has shown that.
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Speaker 1: Almost sixty young people per day, almost all of whom
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Speaker 1: have been Indigenous, have been detained in Darwin and Alice
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Speaker 1: Springs during November, which is almost double the daily figure
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Speaker 1: from six months ago. Now I get what the ABC
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Speaker 1: is saying here, and I get the point that they're making,
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Speaker 1: but I'll read to you both and to our listeners again.
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Speaker 1: Pressure release that just came out from the Northern Territory
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Speaker 1: Police about forty minutes ago that said six youths were
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Speaker 1: observed driving recklessly driving a stolen vehicle in Alice Springs,
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Speaker 1: CBD on the weekend.
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Speaker 2: They've now been apprehended by the police.
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Speaker 1: It was reported as being stolen from a hotel earlier
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Speaker 1: in the week. It was observed being driven recklessly in
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Speaker 1: Alice Springs, CBD at two point thirty in the morning
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Speaker 1: on Saturday. A whole lot of police resources obviously had
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Speaker 1: to be utilized to apprehend this vehicle and the youths
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Speaker 1: aged thirteen to seventeen were transported to the Springs watch House,
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Speaker 1: two of them remanded. One of them granted bail and
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Speaker 1: three of them dealt with under the Youth Justice Act.
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Speaker 1: Like to me, I don't think that we can pretend
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Speaker 1: here that every child that's being apprehended by the police
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Speaker 1: is being taken to jail. My understanding of this is that,
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Speaker 1: and I've spoken to the Northern Territory Police about this
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Speaker 1: on numerous occasions. It is an absolute last resort.
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Speaker 7: Oh, it's a slap on the wrist any end. I mean,
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Speaker 7: you know, and I mean that that stuff from the
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Speaker 7: A b C. I mean they're unwatchable. I don't know
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Speaker 7: know that there's anybody who can actually bear the ABC
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Speaker 7: anymore these days. They're just anti Australian. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 7: they're anti police. There's nothing of any decency that comes out.
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Speaker 3: Of the I just can't. They haven't been wound up.
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Speaker 1: They do have some good reporters who are doing you know,
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Speaker 1: are doing extensive work. Will Jarno Gibson the person a
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Speaker 1: good reporter. Leticia Lemki, I can name. I can name
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Speaker 1: quite a few for you, Dave Alless.
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Speaker 2: The thing is, you know, at the end.
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Speaker 7: Of the day, I just look at the organization and
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Speaker 7: sit there and see, well, I've attacked the Northern Territory,
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Speaker 7: on the on the little kids a sacred before this
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Speaker 7: has gone back a while. They attacked us on the
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Speaker 7: youth detention stuff, They've attacked us on a whole range
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Speaker 7: of things. They seem to be anti Northern Territory. They're
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Speaker 7: certainly anti police. They'll always they always take the side
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Speaker 7: of criminals.
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Speaker 1: You know, is like, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: there might be extra numbers in don Dale.
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Speaker 2: There's a reason why they've been picked.
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Speaker 7: People are getting terrorized all around town by this bloody
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Speaker 7: anti social behavior, criminal activities and all that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 7: And one of the ab se LA meant about, oh,
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Speaker 7: jails are filling up well, and it's.
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Speaker 1: A terrible situation when you've got a ten year old
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Speaker 1: that has to be taken into custody. But at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, I've had police sitting in those
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Speaker 1: two seats telling me they've picked up two nine year
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Speaker 1: olds who have just broken into homes in Ola Springs
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Speaker 1: and nobody was wondering where those nine year olds were
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Speaker 1: throughout the night.
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Speaker 5: If you like that, Katie, I think we need to.
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Speaker 6: You know, there's no silver bullet in regards to law
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Speaker 6: and order issues, and particularly with young people and you
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Speaker 6: take a step back, you have to look at the
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Speaker 6: home life or you know what's occurred in that person's
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Speaker 6: life and what's occurred in their parents' life and their
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Speaker 6: parents before them. So you know there's a lot of
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Speaker 6: work that needs to be done, a big parcel of
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Speaker 6: work that needs to be done to better support families
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Speaker 6: at risk. And certainly in Parmeston we know we've got
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Speaker 6: a big youth engagement plan out there through Council Funderbod
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Speaker 6: in the Ordan Territory government, we have a massive Youth
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Speaker 6: Week and we're really all the time working really hard
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Speaker 6: to engage with young people and find out what young
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Speaker 6: people want, Listen to young people, give them opportunities because
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Speaker 6: I think when people don't have hope, that's when you
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Speaker 6: start wrecking other people's ways.
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Speaker 3: What's a crime rate like in Parmiston.
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Speaker 6: Parmiston, Well, I don't know the figures, Dave, and I'm
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Speaker 6: not going to quote them. Or usually when we have
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Speaker 6: our Safer Communities meeting, the police come and they go
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Speaker 6: through the crime stats at the start of the meeting.
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Speaker 6: And so because we've had an election and we haven't
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Speaker 6: had a current meeting.
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Speaker 3: Tell me it's as bad as a northern suburb.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't believe it is our sports.
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be I'd only be making it up if
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Speaker 6: I tried to say it was bad or it was
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Speaker 6: good or whatever it was.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, is raising the age of criminal responsibility
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Speaker 1: going to make a difference, because if we're talking about
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Speaker 1: ten year olds or whether we you know, whether somebody
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Speaker 1: goes to don Dale when they're teen or when they're twelve. Like,
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Speaker 1: the reality is, shouldn't there be other programs and things
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Speaker 1: in place already before it gets to the point of
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Speaker 1: someone going into.
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Speaker 7: This mu This is decades of problems, you know, the
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Speaker 7: seventies or eighties. I think they got rid of the
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Speaker 7: cane in schools. You know when I went to school,
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Speaker 7: I got the cane every single year.
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Speaker 6: Very single years, you know, and people would get excelled
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Speaker 6: and held back and all that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 7: And I can say I know I've particular instance. Fellow said, look,
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Speaker 7: my kid's not performing at school. Went to talk to
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Speaker 7: the headmaster, said, look, I'd like to keep him back
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Speaker 7: a year. Oh, I know you can't do that. What'll
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Speaker 7: do to his self esteem? And you know he's going
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Speaker 7: to be an older kid in a class of younger kids.
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Speaker 7: You know, you sort of sit there and think, well,
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Speaker 7: but he hasn't learned what he's supposed to have learned.
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Speaker 3: But oh, it doesn't matter. We just moved them forward.
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Speaker 7: But my point now is a teacher can't even yell
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Speaker 7: at a child, and you know if they do, they're
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Speaker 7: up on some sort of harassment thing or bullying charge
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Speaker 7: or something like that. And you know that there is
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Speaker 7: absolutely no discipline whatsoever in schools anymore.
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Speaker 3: We've walked away.
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Speaker 7: I'm not advocating the reintroduction of the cane at all,
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Speaker 7: but what.
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Speaker 6: I'd suggest is it there he introduced last year and
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Speaker 6: a lot of home home parent parenting.
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Speaker 5: My footballer is down south, he said.
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Speaker 6: His first day, first day is parent when he was
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Speaker 6: at home teaching his kids.
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Speaker 5: He goes day one of home teaching.
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Speaker 6: He put on Facebook, the cane has been reintroduced.
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Speaker 5: Of his kids with all their heads down, writing.
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Speaker 6: Working hard in his stick from the bodies.
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Speaker 7: You know, now, someone may finished girl seventeen or eighteen
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Speaker 7: years old. They've never experienced any sort of discipline in
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Speaker 7: their lives, and we wonder why that when they get
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Speaker 7: at a young age.
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Speaker 3: These people feel like they're bulletproof.
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Speaker 7: And can't be touched, and they can do anything they
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Speaker 7: like because they've never actually experienced discipline.
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Speaker 3: Mike Carli says, there's.
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Speaker 7: None at home, certainly in those years when I was
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Speaker 7: a kid, Like I say, I get the cane, but
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Speaker 7: it was nothing compared to the flogging that I'd get
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Speaker 7: at home.
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Speaker 3: The cane once once, the tea, that's right, once, the teacher. Once.
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Speaker 7: The headmaster rang my parents and said, look then you're
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Speaker 7: a jew in here and disciplined him.
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Speaker 6: I'm glad he's had a crack at naughty boys, he's
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Speaker 6: had a crack at the ABC. Imagine if we had
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Speaker 6: to board up public servants out of time, were holding
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Speaker 6: down the desk servants.
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Speaker 3: I just don't like them. Shiny bum grobble up all
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Speaker 3: our money.
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Speaker 1: We run out of time, and let's just reiterate, then
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Speaker 1: three point sixty the big is shoes is not calling
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Speaker 1: for a reintroduction of the cane in the.
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Speaker 5: About a little bit of discipline.
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Speaker 2: Thank you vote so much for your time this morning.
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Speaker 2: Don't told that Damian Hale always