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The Summit Awakens · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 4: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Brian, and this week we are back.
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  Speaker 4: With the second half of our epic Star Wars discussion.
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  Speaker 6: And I should start off by saying, once again, spoiler
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  Speaker 6: alert for episode 7.
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  Speaker 7: We are going to address the major spoiler of the movie,
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  Speaker 7: so if you haven't seen The Force Awakens, you definitely
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  Speaker 7: shouldn't be listening to this episode yet. And also, as
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  Speaker 7: I said, this is the second half of the discussion,
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  Speaker 7: so we'll be continuing the grand conversation that began last episode.
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  Speaker 7: So if you haven't heard part one, go back and
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  Speaker 7: listen to episode 333 to bring you up to speed.
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  Speaker 7: And as we left that last episode, we said goodbye
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  Speaker 7: to our co-hosts Jacqueline and Nick, and now we settle in.
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  Speaker 7: with just three old-school Star Wars fans. Myself, Ben, and Jeff.
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  Speaker 7: And we take this discussion to the next level. So
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  Speaker 7: let's go there now as we rejoin these three Star
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  Speaker 7: Wars fans as they talk about this thing that they've
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  Speaker 7: devoted a good portion of their lives to.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody geeks like a 40-year-old geek.
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  Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying. This is what old men do.
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  Speaker 7: So now that it's just the old men left.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's complain the whole time.
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  Speaker 7: I think we've had a lot of positive things to say.
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  Speaker 7: What do you think of the marketing push? It was
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  Speaker 7: something that's a side area that I wanted to at
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  Speaker 7: least throw out there tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I was getting a little tired of it.
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  Speaker 8: See, I don't, uh, I don't have TV.
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  Speaker 7: Again, everybody I know avoided it.
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  Speaker 8: Um, the only, there's a couple of websites I go
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  Speaker 8: to that covered it, but they were very much like,
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  Speaker 8: it's a good movie. Go see it. And then finally
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  Speaker 8: on Friday, they're like, this is a spoiler filled post.
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  Speaker 8: If you don't want anything spoiled, don't look at it.
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  Speaker 8: But this is for the people that saw Thursday night
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  Speaker 8: and we're going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, when I say, uh, I have a TV.
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  Speaker 2: I love my TV, but I don't watch over-the-air TV.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like the Netflix DVD. So I honestly have
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  Speaker 2: not seen any of the televised commercials. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 2: just the stuff everywhere. Like you would walk into Target and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like the Darth Vader Christmas ornaments. There's Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars on everything. And this has been going on now
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  Speaker 2: for a couple months now. And I was getting a
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  Speaker 2: little overwhelmed of it. I was getting like, oh, God,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I got a little bit tired of it.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go out in public.
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  Speaker 7: I don't care. Again, I spent so much of my
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  Speaker 7: life buying Star Wars stuff that I'm kind of numb
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  Speaker 7: to it, I think. If I put all the Star
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  Speaker 7: Wars stuff I have out, again, half of it's boxed
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  Speaker 7: up now because I'm a weird hoarder kid, as we
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  Speaker 7: addressed earlier. Again, I think I've just seen so much.
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  Speaker 7: I'm just so used to Star Wars merchandise in general
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  Speaker 7: that it barely registers anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, you know, back when I was really collecting stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of had to really seek it out. It's
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  Speaker 2: just that it's everywhere. It was starting to kind of
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  Speaker 2: I can't think of the word. Where it takes away
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  Speaker 2: the significance of something over time.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Just like seeing freaking Yodas on everything. Yodas and shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yodas and shit everywhere. I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Again, I just don't care. It gives me the chance
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  Speaker 7: to weed through these 400 things I don't want. Hey,
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  Speaker 7: that one thing right there.
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  Speaker 2: I want that.
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  Speaker 7: Alright, I'm good. Again, I've had to.
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  Speaker 7: Scale it back quite a bit over the years, and
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  Speaker 7: I've gotten really good at it, and now it's like,
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  Speaker 7: if I really need this dumb toy or whatever stupid
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  Speaker 7: product I see, I know that I'm being duped into it,
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  Speaker 7: I know they've been playing me for my entire life,
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  Speaker 7: but now I just kinda like, I pick and choose,
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  Speaker 7: and the fact that there's more stuff, that just gives
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  Speaker 7: me more to choose from, so I don't care. Again,
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  Speaker 7: it's part of how all this works. It's how these
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  Speaker 7: multi-billion dollar deals get made, so if it brings us
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  Speaker 7: more better movies again i if it makes bad movies
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  Speaker 7: i'll you know damn it along with everything else but
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  Speaker 7: if we get good movies out of it make whatever
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  Speaker 7: side deals you have to do to get them made
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  Speaker 7: i guess.
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  Speaker 8: I mean if you want to brush your teeth with
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  Speaker 8: three three cpo toothpaste using your darth vader toothbrush he
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  Speaker 8: doesn't have any teeth you know how's he gonna eat
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  Speaker 8: his 3po cereal i completely agree with your point if
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  Speaker 8: if if you if making that deal with crest allows
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  Speaker 8: you to have a little bit more money to make
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  Speaker 8: a better movie the next time or to make a
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  Speaker 8: great tie-in TV show, whatever, go right ahead. I'm not
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  Speaker 8: going to buy it and I'm not going to be
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  Speaker 8: part of it because I don't market myself with the
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  Speaker 8: products I consume.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I do.
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  Speaker 8: That's great. That's your choice.
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  Speaker 7: But I do it knowingly is my thing. I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: I know I'm being duped into this Boba Fett coffee mate.
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  Speaker 7: But I, if I, you know, I don't feel like
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  Speaker 7: I'm blindly being suckered in if I'm aware of it.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, then I'm fine with it. I'm like, as
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  Speaker 7: long as I'm doing it knowing, it's only people that
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  Speaker 7: are just like idiots that are just being suckered into
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  Speaker 7: things by marketing schemes. And I'm like, I know they're
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  Speaker 7: playing me. So if I know it, it takes their
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  Speaker 7: power away and I just buy whatever the hell I want.
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  Speaker 8: I take way more offense with crappy movie tie-ins that
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  Speaker 8: just beget more crappy movies like Transformers.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't get your uh, Kroll coffee mate with that.
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  Speaker 8: Kroll is a great movie.
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  Speaker 7: The Kroll throwdown begins.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. I love capitalism. I just personally,
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  Speaker 2: I was just getting just a little bit tired of
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  Speaker 2: seeing it and just maybe it's because deep down I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to hate the movie.
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  Speaker 7: And I can see that.
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  Speaker 2: It's, it's like, you know, like I didn't buy any,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't bought anything. You know, I, Maybe I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to get Phantom Menace again. Because I was kind
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  Speaker 2: of buying a lot of Phantom Menace merch going in.
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  Speaker 7: No, I got a lot of that first run. A
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  Speaker 7: lot of it, it's funny, was before it came out.
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  Speaker 7: That's been the question, I guess, is how long... Because
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  Speaker 7: I was trying to remember. Because it's kind of the
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  Speaker 7: same thing. Because we may have even brought this up
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  Speaker 7: initially when everybody watched that first trailer.
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  Speaker 8: And we were like, man, that one's really good.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait. Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 7: First Phantom Menace trailer we were all pretty excited about.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't know. Do you, cause I was trying
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  Speaker 7: to think back the first time I saw it. Cause
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  Speaker 7: it was pretty early on. I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 7: really think I like those movies, but I'm like, when
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  Speaker 7: I left the theater that first time, like today I
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  Speaker 7: left the theater. I'm like, that was fucking awesome. don't
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  Speaker 7: remember saying that in Phantom Menace. I remember having more
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  Speaker 7: problems with like, man, our seats were in a bad
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  Speaker 7: place because there was a whole bunch of people and
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  Speaker 7: like finding other things to be annoyed with. And then like, yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Because the movie wasn't capturing you completely. So you were
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  Speaker 2: noticing your environment.
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  Speaker 8: So at what point in the prequels did you realize
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  Speaker 8: that they were crap? I can't pinpoint. It's not like
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  Speaker 8: I walked out of Phantom Menace and went, that was
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  Speaker 8: shit and I'm not going to see any more.
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  Speaker 7: But I knew pretty early on I was not big
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  Speaker 7: on that one. I do kind of remember midway in
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  Speaker 7: not liking freaking, what's his face?
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  Speaker 2: I actually do. I do remember the moment when I
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  Speaker 2: was watching it and I was like, I don't care
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  Speaker 2: about these people. And it was the moment when they
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  Speaker 2: were breaking into the Naboo castle. They've all split up.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the moment when Amalama Ding Dong and her
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  Speaker 2: guards are standing on the window ledge and they all
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  Speaker 2: shoot up grappling hook guns and they're all going up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: I specifically remember that moment when I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't care about any of these people. I'm not rooting
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  Speaker 2: for them. I don't care. And I, I, I was
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  Speaker 2: feeling skittish with Jar Jar from the beginning, but I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking like, well, maybe it's just me.
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  Speaker 7: That was like early on. I remember having a weird like, ugh.
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  Speaker 2: But for some reason, it's that moment where you see
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  Speaker 2: him from the back and they're all ascending at the
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  Speaker 2: same time. And I just, I was out. And for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, that scene stays with me as the moment
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  Speaker 2: where I was like, okay. And that's really towards the end.
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  Speaker 2: I was really wanting to like it. I was really,
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  Speaker 2: really wanting to look at it.
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  Speaker 7: Again, though, when I think back on it, I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: it doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie. Especially Phantom Menace.
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  Speaker 7: At least three kind of gets close.
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  Speaker 2: Why does Episode VII feel like a Star Wars movie?
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  Speaker 2: And not because it recycled the new.
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  Speaker 7: I think a lot of it really is the feel
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  Speaker 7: of it. The physical... Again... Everything about it, almost, is
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  Speaker 7: a real thing. He built real sets. There's people in
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  Speaker 7: latex masks sitting next to you, you know? I'm like
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  Speaker 7: there's a handful of CG but I'm like a lot
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  Speaker 7: of that stuff is really there and I'm like that
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  Speaker 7: goes back to 77 and like Lucas didn't have any
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  Speaker 7: way out there was not even blue screen that he
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  Speaker 7: also made up it was nothing but we need to
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  Speaker 7: figure out a way to make this stuff work and
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  Speaker 7: like did it and like it's a very real world
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  Speaker 7: that that first one exists in and you get to
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  Speaker 7: episode one and none of that is there literally two
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  Speaker 7: and three there is not a physical shot ever in
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  Speaker 7: the movie.
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  Speaker 2: You know i think another thing episode one because you
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  Speaker 2: were talking about this earlier when you think about it
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  Speaker 2: it's all about no nobility it's the nobility who are
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  Speaker 2: having this fight And the Jedi's are the highest caste system.
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  Speaker 7: And the Queen.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget the Queen. And so the noble warrior monks
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  Speaker 2: are coming to help the Queen get back into power.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like none of it is really relatable. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you got little Anakin as a slave or whatever, but
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  Speaker 2: he joins the warrior class.
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  Speaker 7: He gets recruited by the monks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're all impressed with him because he's so...
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  Speaker 2: got this stuff inside of him that makes him the
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  Speaker 2: higher caste, they're going to take him away. They're not
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  Speaker 2: going to save anybody else out of slavery.
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  Speaker 7: Including his mother.
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  Speaker 2: But they're going to take this guy because he has
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  Speaker 2: the mark of being in this higher caste.
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  Speaker 7: And because they can use him. He's the chosen one.
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  Speaker 7: He's going to save us and bring right to the
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  Speaker 7: universe so we can use him, bring that kid with us.
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  Speaker 2: And then flash forward to episode seven, and it's like
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  Speaker 2: ordinary people. You've got Poe and Finn. They're trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out how to fly a TIE fighter, and they're
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  Speaker 2: getting excited about it. They're like, I can't believe that
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  Speaker 2: actually worked. What's your name? I don't really have a name.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to call you Finn. Hey, I like it.
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  Speaker 2: It isn't any of this, we must pray that diplomacy
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  Speaker 2: will help us more with this startling event. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it was real guys doing real stuff.
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  Speaker 7: On the front line? Yeah. A poor kid stuck on
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  Speaker 7: another damn desert planet. That's another thing that was nice
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  Speaker 7: that we didn't, because when I first saw that trailer
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  Speaker 7: for episode seven, I was like, are we back on Tatooine?
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  Speaker 2: That's what I thought.
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  Speaker 7: If we were back on that damn planet again, I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: every movie, like, they never get away from it. Like,
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  Speaker 7: Empire's the only one we're not there for. At some
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  Speaker 7: point again, I'm like, there have to be more. That's the,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, in the Lucas run universe, there are so
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  Speaker 7: many ridiculous coincidences that I'm like, there's still a little
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  Speaker 7: in seven, but it's forgivable kind of stuff. And it's
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  Speaker 7: like nods to the old one, not like, well, this
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  Speaker 7: is freaking crazy, but won't it be cool when we
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  Speaker 7: tie these together?
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  Speaker 8: Well, so, and again, uh, The coincidences are more forgiving
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  Speaker 8: if the ride is fun.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: It's when the ride is not fun where you're like,
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  Speaker 8: so how did Han happen to stumble across them in
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  Speaker 8: the Millennium Falcon?
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  Speaker 7: See, now that I was okay with because he explained it.
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  Speaker 7: He said that he was looking for it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: He had, like, they were tracking. Like, that one, the
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  Speaker 7: one that was, like, kind of a big jump is, like, okay,
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  Speaker 7: of any place in the universe that got taken there,
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  Speaker 7: and she happened to run into that ship, and they're
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  Speaker 7: looking for Luke Skywalker.
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  Speaker 8: I'm fine with that. I obviously don't remember the line
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  Speaker 8: of dialogue, but we've been looking for it.
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  Speaker 7: No, he specifically said they were tracking that ship.
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  Speaker 8: So that takes that off my list of complaints.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, think about it. We've had close to
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  Speaker 2: 40 years of thinking about the original Star Wars. I
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  Speaker 2: just saw it on Saturday, so there's a lot that
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  Speaker 2: I'm forgetting.
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  Speaker 8: So the only other.
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  Speaker 8: I agree that the last third of the movie plays
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  Speaker 8: pretty fast and loose with things. And my biggest complaint,
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  Speaker 8: like the trench run, which was all of maybe 30 seconds.
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  Speaker 8: So people are like, oh, there's a trench run. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: for like, trenches exist in architecture. And yes, if you
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  Speaker 8: fly a long one, it's not a trench run. It's
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  Speaker 8: just you move along the low part of the land.
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  Speaker 8: And we've kind of seen that before.
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  Speaker 2: But this was a trenchier... The only.
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  Speaker 8: The biggest thing, I guess... Well, I have two complaints
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  Speaker 8: about the movie. I had three, but I'll forgive the.
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  Speaker 2: I have two.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: That was in the dialogue.
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  Speaker 8: Fair enough. Again, I missed it.
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  Speaker 4: Is.
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  Speaker 8: So, in an entire planet-sized thing of the enemy, you're
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  Speaker 8: going to run across your captain who happens to have
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  Speaker 8: the code to disable the shield.
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  Speaker 1: Just.
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  Speaker 8: Boom!
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  Speaker 4: Boom!
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  Speaker 8: I know, we have a plan. Oh, there's Captain Phasma.
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  Speaker 8: Turn down the shields.
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  Speaker 7: Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 8: Anything you can get Gwendolyn Christie to have screen time in,
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  Speaker 8: I'm fine with. But that one was just like, that's
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  Speaker 8: a little too coincidental.
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  Speaker 2: Side question. They made a big deal. We got Gwendolyn
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  Speaker 2: Christie in Game of Thrones. Everyone loves her. She didn't
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  Speaker 2: take off her hat. Do you think it was wasted?
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  Speaker 7: I think it's set up. It is set up.
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  Speaker 8: She has a bigger role to play.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't die?
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  Speaker 8: Probably not.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't see her die on screen.
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  Speaker 8: Because that planet got blowed up.
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  Speaker 7: They specifically said get the other guys out. So I'm
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  Speaker 7: sure they got her. She was the only other one in.
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  Speaker 2: A cool outfit.
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  Speaker 8: I am extremely forgiving about that for a couple reasons. One,
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  Speaker 8: because they cast her. They didn't say, and she's got
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  Speaker 8: a huge role. They just said we cast Gwendolyn Christie.
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  Speaker 8: So the internet jumped on it. It was like, oh,
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  Speaker 8: my God, you had a male role that you turned
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  Speaker 8: into a female role, and you got awesome Gwendolyn Christie. Yay,
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  Speaker 8: she's going to be awesome. Where was she in the movie?
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  Speaker 8: The internet set themselves up for that letdown.
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  Speaker 7: That's what they do.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 7: To me, I like that.
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  Speaker 2: That could have been any seven-foot blonde lady.
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  Speaker 7: Because that just builds up. the fact that they're not
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  Speaker 7: just making a one-off dumb movie. Like, they have a plan.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's sort of like the internet didn't blow
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  Speaker 8: up about Daniel Craig being a stormtrooper. You know, so
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  Speaker 8: they're like, you misused Daniel Craig by having him just
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  Speaker 8: be a stormtrooper. Why couldn't he have been? To me,
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  Speaker 8: that was the internet getting their panties in a twist
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  Speaker 8: like they often do about something that they made a
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  Speaker 8: big deal, but the filmmakers didn't make a big deal
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  Speaker 8: about at all.
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  Speaker 7: If you want to nitpick, like, Luke Skywalker's not really
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  Speaker 7: in the movie. I'm like, they built this whole thing
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  Speaker 7: of like the whole cast is coming back. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: he showed up. But I'm like, if you wanted to
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  Speaker 7: be one of those kind of pissy people, like, well,
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  Speaker 7: I can't believe Luke wouldn't in it. But I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: to me, it's showing that they're not telling this one story.
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  Speaker 7: They have a big plan. Again, we've learned from all
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: these other movies that, you know, you, you watch, uh, what,
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: you know, the Marvel Universe is doing, or you watch
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: what the Lord of the Rings is doing, it's like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: they have a huge story to tell, and they're trying
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: to pace it out, that they're not cramming everything into
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: one movie, they are showing you, we've got a plan,
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: and it's laid out, and we've just set the pieces
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: into motion for what could be several more movies with
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: this cast. We know at least two more, but I'd
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: be glad to see several of those people just continue on,
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: and if if they're well made, I would watch those
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: characters for years to come.
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: So again, I, I'm fine with her use. I was
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: just a little let down by the, I don't have
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: a plan. Oh no, I do have a plan. There
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: she is. Turn off the shield. That just seemed way.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: Do we think he knew where she would be? Cause
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: he was there.
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: He said, he said his job was, was sanitation. So
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: how's he going to know? Well, if that's the case,
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: well then why was he on the raid to begin with?
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: But whatever, but, but, That one just seemed way too crap.
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: As a story writer, I've got to get that shield off. Okay,
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: here we go.
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: Again, there's a.
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: I would rather they stand on a pillar and they
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: turn the little knob and the tractor.
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: Beam goes down.
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: That just seemed like we had a plot point that
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: we needed to get to. Here's how we're going.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: To get to it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: And again, I felt like that... And again, it's mostly
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: in that last third of the movie. There are a
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: lot of those... And this is what we do in
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: this kind of Star Wars movie. Like, we need, did
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: we already not have, well, there's a shield protecting this
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: Death Star-y thing, so we gotta break down the shield
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: so that we can destroy the Death Star-y thing. Is
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: that not Return of the Jedi? Like, that's exactly the
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: whole premise of the last half of Return of the Jedi.
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: So I'm like, again, we're kind of just drawing off
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: a very familiar situation there. kind of forgive it because, again,
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: it has no weight. I feel like that whole last battle,
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: if you want to call it that, has no real
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: weight to it. There's no danger to it where, again,
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: you watch that episode four Death Star battle. People are dying.
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: You really don't know if Luke's going to live through
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: the thing.
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: And they show, here's the gas giant. Here's the moon.
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: Here's the Death Star.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Doot, doot.
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: It's building tension.
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: We're getting to the point. And that leads into my
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: other main complaint about the movie. So this group has
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: built a multi-planet killing device. And you see them use it.
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: And all they say is, the Republic is making a
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: vote on something. Fire the weapon. What was the vote on?
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: So they had six planets get destroyed, but they never
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: really say other than it's the bad republic.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: That wasn't Coruscant that blew up, was it? I don't
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: think so. I don't know.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: Again, there's no weight to that. When Alderaan gets destroyed,
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: that's a big deal in that movie. They knock out six.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: planets here, and we're like, anyway, next scene.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I felt... Alderaan, to me, blowing up, felt very... Ugh.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Because I had never been there. I had never seen
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: anything about it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: But at least you see that's where she's from.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Leah's not that upset about it.
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: Well, she gets... And then you immediately cut to the
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: scene of Ben's like....
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: He feels the way... Again, it carries something like nobody
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: felt the way it does.
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: So, Otteron wasn't important as a planet. It was important
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: as a... Look what they just did to an entire planet.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: That was my thing.
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: It gave it scale.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: But the thing I liked about Episode 7 was they
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: show the planet and they show the people seeing the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: death ray coming at them and they're freaking out. I
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: felt it a little bit more.
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: Right, but who were those people? Why did they pick
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: those planets to destroy? That was the thing.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: There's not really an explanation on any of that. Well, okay, yeah,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: because they... I kind of had to think about it
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: in my head. I didn't really get.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if the First Order was a government
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: or if it was just a cult. And they said
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: that the Republic, that the New Republic was there. So
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: if the First Order was a cult inside of the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: New Republic, why would there be a resistance? Why wouldn't
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: it be the.
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: The Republic's military fighting them.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: And then I began to think maybe the First Order
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: is a government that is next.
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: To the Republic.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Moving in on the Republic. And the Resistance is the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: systems that are inside of the territory that is controlled
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: by the First Order.
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: So there is a whole backstory to that. Which they
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: are being.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And I think there was a line in there that
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the Resistance is being funded by... By the new republic.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: So it's sort of like when America gives guns to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: rebels to topple a dictator somewhere. But they didn't really
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: make that clear.
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they don't spell any of this out.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: What I'm worried about is there's all these spinoff novels,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: spinoff comics, spinoff games, and I've been hearing how a
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff that sets up this new.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Status quo for episode seven is established and explained in
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of these spinoff media. And I'm like, I
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: don't want to read 20 kids books to try to
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: figure out what the government situation is.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: Well, I think that's the good and bad about these
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: larger stories is that, which is why, like I said,
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: I think it is a great Star Wars movie because
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: you don't need to know that. If you just switch
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: it off and watch it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: That's what I think they learned from the prequels. Prequels
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: did nothing but explain shit that nobody cared about.
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: You know, and so it is just sort of, I
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: think it's something that we're going to have to get
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: used to as a society of we can't have all
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: the nuts and bolts told to us in a story. So,
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: you know, because I was a big fan of the
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: Halo franchise video game. and there was a mountain of
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: material that wasn't in the game that made the universe awesome,
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: but you didn't get a lot of that in the games. Now,
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: as the games progressed, they've gotten to where you need
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: to know a lot of that extra stuff to appreciate it,
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: and honestly, the games have started to suck because of that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: So you walk a fine line between, I want to
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: tell these huge stories, but I can't tell it in
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: two hours, so I'm going to have to layer all
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: this stuff around it And hope that if you're really
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: interested in it, then you consume the extra stuff.
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm hoping is they, again, they've learned that
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: from the prequels. Don't overload us with stuff we don't
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: care about. But at the same time, hopefully they're smart.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: And again, Marvel and Disney as a whole has been
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: pretty smart about doing this in the way that they
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: run that universe. Like each one kind of, like the
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: Marvel examples, each one kind of exists on its own.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: if you want to put them all in there, again,
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: I think that's the smart way to do it. If
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: you want to just be like, I just like this movie.
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: I just want to watch this movie. I just want
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: to see this Star Wars. They do a pretty good
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: job in this of, these are the good guys. Look
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: how good they are. These are the bad guys. They're
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: pretty evil. And like, you can take it at that.
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: If you want to be a super geek and go
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: read six novels and find out more about it, that's
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: an option too.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And honestly, pointing out again, I've only seen it one time.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I haven't had 38 years to study every single line.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: There may be a line in there that explains it,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and I just didn't hear it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: It's still pretty light.
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: It's light on it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: The opening crawl may explain it, and I just didn't
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: really get it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: I thought that it would, but it was all about
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: Luke Skywalker is missing. It was all about this hunt
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: for Luke Skywalker, and nothing about how the status quo
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: had changed.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Which is all you need to know, to be honest,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: for the movie to work.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: It does make me, because that's the thing, they don't
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: ever really explain... not only who the First Order is,
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: but where exactly did they come from? And what are
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: their motives? What are they trying to do that's different
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: than the Empire? Why are they not just the Empire?
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: Or leftover pieces, which they kind of are.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I think I heard this from.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was Abrams, but I don't know.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: It was sort of like, after World War II, the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Nazis fled to Argentina.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Um.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And they were like, well, what if the Nazis took
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: over Argentina and established a new presence there? So basically
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the First Order are in space Argentina. And the Resistance
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: are the people that were living in space Argentina that
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: got taken over by the First Order. And the Republic,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: you know, the U.S. are like, hey, we don't like this.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: So we're going to send Iran-Contra guns to the Resistance.
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: Here's my question.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: I mean, actually, no, I think that's actually what it is.
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: That's not bad.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's close to what the thing is.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: I think my question is, because again, it just stems
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: from all of this, is then what was the rebellion?
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: So did they then, when, okay, we destroyed the emperor,
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: the empire falls, blah, blah, whatever, did they then graduate
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: up to, okay, now we're the government, we are the
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: new republic? And if so... what happened then? Like, where
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: did the rebellion that became the resistance, did they like
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: go away because they were the legit government at that point?
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: Or has it always been there?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I really think the resistance is separate. And the only reason,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and I thought I heard this said, tell me if
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I'm wrong. The only reason Princess Leia is there with
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the resistance is because, um, Do you remember, yeah. Do
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: you remember when, well, yeah, it's because she's not a
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: princess because she's not in her home turf. Which is destroyed, technically.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Her and Han Solo, you know, when they kind of
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: meet and they're talking again, they talk about how Luke
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: was trying to start a new Jedi class.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: Hopefully a less sucky one.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Their son turned on him and Han and Leia dealt
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: with it in different ways. Han specifically said we both
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: dealt with it in different ways. He went back to
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the only thing that he was good at. And Leia said,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I did too. The only thing that I was good
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: at was being a rebel.
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: A freedom fighter.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: So she probably left the Republic to go to find
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the resistance to offer her services. Kind of like what...
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of people... The Spanish Civil War.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of people from this country who
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: were just going there like to help fight, you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and I think that's what Leia was doing. So, so
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the Republic is, is still there. The, the new Republic
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: that was established when the empire fell, that is still there.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: This is again, space Arjun, the Tina that she's going to.
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: Then my question became again, just today trying to figure
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: all this out. I'm like, so then what is the
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: timeframe on this? So like, but I mean, I know
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: it's 30, but I'm like, so what is the timeframe
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: on this? this like the the first order coming about
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: and this new thing because like when did that start
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: yeah because it's got to be at least because i
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: mean that between our two younger characters it's been a
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: good portion of their life like that's all that she
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: knows is just the way that this is and the
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: rebellion is like legend and luke and and han's antics
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: are legends i mean that's You're talking a good 10,
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: 15 years, right? I mean, it's got to be for
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: it to be worked out of that next generation almost completely.
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: So here's what I understand about the history. So Emperor dies.
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: The Empire sort of shatters because all the Moffs and
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: all the local commanders sort of take control of their
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: system since there is no overarching Emperor anymore. Mon Motha
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: founds who is the lady in Return of the Jedi. Yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: They then consolidate the rebellion. They fight certain battles. They
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: start a new republic on a different planet that's not Coruscant.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: And I think that's the planet that got destroyed.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: In this one?
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: In this one.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, I really want to know.
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: Well, and again, that's the part where I'm like, I
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: just saw a bunch of planets get killed.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: Why do I care?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Because the dominant Gleeson general bad guy, he was saying
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: how the Senate will never vote on this after today,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and then they charge.
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: Because we blow them up.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So was that the New Republic capital planet?
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: And so what happens is that Mon Motha as the
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: New Republic, they say, we're not going to have a military.
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: So they do not have a military. And I think
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: they shovel all that off on the resistance side. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: then I think Akbar is allowed to keep a fleet,
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: but all the sort of military is left to the
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: small systems to keep. governance on themselves militarily.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Seems like a bad idea.
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: Well, so what.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: Happens is all the empires shatters and they fight, then
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: a bunch of them manage to get together and make
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: one final push, and that's what happened in the Battle
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: of Jocka, which is why all that stuff is there. Right, right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: akbar and his consolidated fleet have a decisive battle at
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: jaca against the remnants of the empire and so the
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: empire is gone some of them then go way out
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: to the edge to argentina um and form the first
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: order or the new order.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Because they're trying to bring back and and they're obsessing
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: with like just their Uniform designs and everything.
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: And so they're supposedly out on the fringe, okay, building
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: up and whatever. And that's what I found confusing was,
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: did they shoot from the fringe all the way into
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: the center of the New Republic? Was that... Did their
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: weapon go that far?
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: That is a super-duper death star.
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: Or did they fly it in? And if they did,
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: well then, who the fuck's giant... thing is that?
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: Didn't you see that thing coming at you?
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: With the Death Star, you could pilot it to whatever
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: system you wanted.
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: But you could because you controlled all the systems. The
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: fact that you were flying your giant battle station through
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: was like you couldn't say no to it. So how
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: did it fire all that distance? Because then it had
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: to get, I guess, to wherever the new Rebel base
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: was because it was going to blow it up too.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: Did they fly it or is it shooting from way
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: out on the edge of the The universe.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Where are they like, okay, our orbit is going to
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: put us in range of the new Rebel base in, oh, March.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So we got to wait.
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: Well, and again, now don't get me wrong. I'm not
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: trying to nitpick physics of that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: It's going to happen. Just let it happen.
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: But I found that a little sad because like geographically,
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: if you were looking at a map of the galaxy,
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: I didn't know where any of this stuff was going on.
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe a Lord of the Rings-esque map would have helped.
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: And again, this is showing my fandom, Game of Thrones
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: does it right. Each episode starts out with, here's a map,
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: and we're going to tell you a story here. And here,
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: and here. So you know geographically where everything takes place. Now,
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: in Star Wars, it was always point A to point
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: B to point C.
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, I don't really remember having
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: a good sense of things in the old ones.
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: But you didn't need to.
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: But they were far away. He had to lightspeed it
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: every time.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: And again, you were also dealing with the Empire was
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: the dominant group. So the fact that they were moving
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: their battle station from system to.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: System, okay, fine.
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: Whereas this is the fringe group, and did the terrorists
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: on the fringe just nuke the Capitol?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Way in the center, yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: Shouldn't some powers that be in these systems have seen
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: that coming? Aren't they doing intel? Like, shouldn't they know
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: what they're up to?
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: And again, I'm being real super geeky nitpicky.
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: That's why we're here.
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: But it's sort of, it spawned from the fact that
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: the whole, this, this, the Senate that was voting just
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: got whacked out of nowhere. Like no one saw it
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: coming and not just that planet, but I guessing every
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: planet in that system got whacked.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I did like how it kind of divided.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: No, that was awesome.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: But, but, and so the other nitpicky thing is, so
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: they were on the planet with Maz Kanata looking up
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: and they see all the planets getting whacked.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: I'm glad they didn't target that planet.
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: End of movie.
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: And then, like, 30 minutes later, the Empire arrives. So
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: did they have a ship just near the planet?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, this was a long, long, long time ago,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: and the universe expands. So maybe back then, everything was
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: closer together.
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: You know, so again, I'm being super nitpicky about how
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: things get from A to B, but it is sort of,
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: you know, the.
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: The engineer in me can't be like, and suddenly the
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: enemy shows up on your back step and raids your planet.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Hey!
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: Again, I feel like a lot of that is so
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: glossed over. I so didn't pay attention to any of that,
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: and maybe because I didn't care that much, because I
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: was way more invested in our main characters, so I
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: didn't get super bogged down in it. But again, I
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: feel like Before, I had a sense of what was
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: going on in that first battle in Star Wars.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Just think about back to our Suncoast days. Every Sunday,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: we would play original Empire and Jedi. You know, we've
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: had years and years to work out theories of why
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: things are working the way they are.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: Most of which are wrong, by the way.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And, you know, this is all going to be fleshed out,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, by us, probably.
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: For the rest of our lives. That's why I say,
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: hands down, it was a great Star Wars movie.
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: It was.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what made it all so good is because
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: you're left with all these technical questions of like, yeah,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: how does a ship make a Kessel Run in the
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: 12 Parsecs? Well, Parsecs isn't a.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: Distance and a slack hole.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like maybe they purposely put in all
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: this weird stuff for the fans to have something to
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: talk about besides our families.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: You know, but there are, again, like three small points
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: that the real super, I gotta know the layout of
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: everything is like, eh. But again, unabashedly, great Star Wars movie.
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: Again, yours is more distance. Mine is time frame that
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: I have issues with. Is it just me, or does
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: it seem like the only time these threats pop up
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: in the Star Wars universe is when the audience checks in?
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Because we have, no, seriously, you have Phantom Menace, we
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: get all this stuff sort of started. We get all
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: the way to the end of episode three, and they're like,
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: here's the plans for this Death Star episode. 20 years later,
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: they build that. It took them 20 years to finally
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: get that little Death Star up and running.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: They didn't have the right screws.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: I guess.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It was a problem with labor.
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: There was a droid with the plans in it, but
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: he went to sleep for a while, so don't worry
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: about it. So I'm like, okay, we have this big
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: jump there of like, okay, they really couldn't get it
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: together to get that. So, okay, we blow up that
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: Death Star. Three to six years? Like, it's a pretty
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: quick turnaround between the end of Star Wars and the
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: new one almost being... Well, it is battle-ready. At least
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: it can fire. In a three to six year span,
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: they turn around and build one four times as big.
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: They got better.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: They obviously learned how to do it from the first one.
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: But again, that's a pretty quick turnaround there.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's because they built the first Death Star in peacetime.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: And it took a long time. But by the time...
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: They're building the second one. It's sort of like they
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: were planting victory gardens. They were having metal drives. Everyone
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: was all in on the war effort.
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: I also heard that they might have started the second
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: one while they were still... By the time that one
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: was done, they were already a third of the way
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: into the new one down the line.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: Geek theories.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Can I tell you my.
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: No, that's my thing. Okay, so now it's 30 years later,
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: so nothing has happened yet? For these last 30 years.
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: So we had two Death Stars right next to each other.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: But there's a 30-year gap before anybody gets the shit
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: together to be like, hey, you know what? Let's build
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: another big thing for them to blow up.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: The Empire was shattered, and the First Order.
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: Was built back up. So nothing else happened? Or are
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: we going to have side movies that are like, here
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: was a little minor thing that came about.
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: It could have been trouble, but.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: We took care of it.
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: We keep getting all these orders for raw metal from
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: these people on the fringe, and they're really corning the
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: market on materials. Are they doing something with these?
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: We're going to meet our yearly quota, yay!
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: Don't ask questions.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: They're buying it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: Just get it to them.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Man, you guys are looking at the big picture stuff.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: My biggest gripe was something very specific in the movie. Okay,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: you remember the bit where The Kylo Ren kills his dad.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: You remember that part. It's funny. We haven't even talked
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: about that much.
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that is the huge spoiler, I suppose.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: And yet, this whole time, we've been talking about complexion
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: and parsecs. We're the geeks, man.
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: I'm not bothered by that scene at all.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: I kind of assumed the general idea was coming because
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: he wanted out in episode six.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: That's why they.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: Froze him in Empires. He didn't want to come back.
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: So it's like he's been, again, he spent 30 years
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: trying to figure out how to get out of this franchise.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: But Han dying wasn't the big thing. I was like,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: wait a minute. Here's my thing. My biggest complaint about
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: this movie. Okay.
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: Kylo kills his dad.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: And he's standing on that skinny bridge in that pit
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: way down below everything else. Rey and Finn see it,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and they're like, no, and they shoot, and then they
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: run out of the station. Chewie's, no, he shoots him,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: hits his detonator. The whole base, that part of the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: base is blowed up. The building is collapsing. Finn and
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Rey run out. They're in the forest. They're running away,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: getting away from the devastation, and then suddenly Kylo Ren
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: is standing in front of them, How the hell did
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that happen? I call shenanigans on that.
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: Force running?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Force running.
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: Force running.
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: Or even better, how did he get off of the
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: non-OSHA standard causeway?
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: That's the way the Empire runs, though. They don't have guardrails.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: He was on the bridge with no handrails. The building
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: is falling in on him. He's down below that pit,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and yet he makes it in front of... of Faye
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and Wren in the middle of the forest, and he's
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: not even breathing hard, like he had to run, They
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: have force running. No, really.
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: Seriously. How did he do that? But I mean, that is...
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, if you believe the prequel nonsense, they have
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: force jumping and force running.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: That honestly was my biggest complaint.
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: Now, maybe this will make that scene be okay.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, also, how can he run? Because Chewie just shot
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: him in the ass. He can't run.
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: I'll give you that. That's a good one.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: And whenever he's fighting Rey, he keeps having to hit himself.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Which.
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: Why was he doing that?
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Was he part metal, like part robot?
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: My idea is that he was doing that to feel
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: the pain to make himself angrier and stronger.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: Again, I also took it as.
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: And he's a little crazy.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: Well, and him being the bratty child and be like,
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: It's him being upset and throwing it to, and little
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: kids that get upset and start hitting themselves in the face.
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: And you're like, these kids need help. No, stop him
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: from doing that. He's almost that unbalanced. He's hitting himself.
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: because he can't kill her right now. You know, it's frustration.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Every time he would hit himself, I swear it sounded
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: like he was slapping something metal.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: He's more machine than man now.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Has he got metal legs? I don't know, but.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: That's the one thing I noticed. We didn't lose limbs, really.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: In the old Star Wars franchise, and certainly in the prequels, like,
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: limbs would just be flying off by the... I mean,
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: even in Star Wars, like, we get to the bar
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: and we're already losing limbs on people. So it's like
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: there was a whole lot of, like, grazing's but not
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: really limbs being hacked off.
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: Would it have been too on the nose if she
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: would have cut off his right hand?
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: See, that's what I was saying. I was like, I'm
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: glad they didn't, because I feel like it's so familiar now. Again,
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: I don't want to see them rip off the previous movie,
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: so I kind of liked.
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: It, actually.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Finn got his spine cut out.
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: Whatever happened to him, I don't know.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: It was pretty serious. Seriously, though, do you have a theory?
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: How did Kylo get out of the burning non-ocean and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: get there? It took me out of the moment. It really,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: really did.
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: Again, like I've said, we all draw these funny little
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: lines that we're not allowed to cross. And I didn't
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: draw that line.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't care about space geography.
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: But they lost me on not naming the planet where
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: they were doing a vote.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: See, I just make ties to other movies because was
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: I the only one that saw him on that little
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: tiny bridge and I'm like, Now, you didn't die on
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: that bridge in Temple of Doom, and you're going to
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: go right back out there. You're going to be eaten
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: by gators.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Space gators.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: Technically crocodiles. But that's not the point. I was like,
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: I got that exact same thing, though.
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: So if you want to complain about it, so what
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: happened to everyone else that got shot with Chewie's bowcaster?
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: They got thrown like five feet back.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: So here he is on some rinky-dink little walkway. He
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: takes a hip shot from that boat caster.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: He used the force to not get blown away.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a matter of distance. When Chewie
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: was shooting everyone else, he was really close to him.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: That's not bad.
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: So where was the impact shot of that one? I mean,
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: that should have knocked him off the ocean bridge.
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: Again, that bridge is not a good idea.
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: The best part about that scene was, again, Chewie's reaction
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: shot of, fuck you guys. And he goes on the
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: rip-roaring rampage, just decimating strong divers left and right.
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: We felt that mostly because of Chewie. Because that's the thing,
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: I saw him walking out on that bridge, and I'm like,
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: and the death of Han. There's no way Han's coming
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: back off that bridge.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: There's no way.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And you know, the other thing is, you know, Han
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: and Han and Chewie, closest friends ever. This was Han's kid.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: This was probably Uncle Chewie to this kid. Chewie probably
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: thought this was that little... He was probably Kylo's god wookie.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: You know, he.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: He would have to be. He's part of the family.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: By the way, this is what I was thinking about.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: You know how.
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: You're going to write the movie God Wookie?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: You know how they... Oh yeah, God Wookie. You know
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: how they love to... Getting back to the marketing, they
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: have toy sets for everything. Yes, they do. They have
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a play set for everything. They have a play set
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: for swinging over the trench in the Death Star. They
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: have the play set. Do you think Hasbro is eventually
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: going to come out with the Han and Leia divorce
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: court playset with space Perry Mason?
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: Actually, I'd prefer the Han and Kylo death scene to
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: where you move the little switch and Kylo stabs his
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: father with his lightsaber.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: The drama you would get in The Haunted Landbreaker.
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: Well, I have a.
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: Feeling they never got divorced.
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was my thing. It's like they just parted ways.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Your kid's going bad like that.
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: Because I did feel like there was a moment of,
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: all right, you're back. And I'm like, so there was
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: that moment of like, well, now what? Assuming he didn't
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: get killed, was this the point of like, maybe we'll
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: give it another shot? You could feel like there's still
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: chemistry there. And it is that, I do like that
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: it is that weathered 30 years. You freaking drive me crazy.
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: But I'm like, that is people we love.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of people speculating, were Han and
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Leia going to be together still? Were they going to
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: be broken up? I like That if they were broken up,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: it wasn't because she just couldn't stand him or he
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: thought she was just too snooty. Like, I'm glad that
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: it wasn't because the honeymoon was over and she was like,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: you know what? You are a scoundrel. You ever pick
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: up your socks, I'm leaving. I'm glad it was something
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: as monumentally depressing as your kids. turning bad and essentially
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: losing your child. Yeah. Like, like your son turning into
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey at Dahmer, that would strain your marriage. Cause basically I.
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: Will assume he pulled the younglings, right? Because there are
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: no other Jedi.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I think they said that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: There are no other Jedi's leftover that Luke was training,
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: helping Luke is the last Jedi.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Now, right.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: They said that Kylo killed everyone in this.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah. So I was just like, he was starting. That's
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: a huge thing to deal with, that, like, your kid's a,
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: not only now evil, but a mass murderer.
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: And parents get divorced and separate when a kid goes crazy,
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: I mean, because they can't handle it together.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: Again, if you lose the child, from a certain point
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: of view, Ben died that day.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: So just losing a child, a couple ends up divorced
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: after that.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Sure, they were broken up, but I didn't feel like,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I felt like they still loved each other.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Because it wasn't something where Han was banging the intern
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: at the New Republic Congress or whatever. It was something
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: this big, this heady.
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think it was more of a, they
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: separated because they both knew that they had to deal
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: with it in whatever way that they did. Hence the,
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: I went back to the only thing I was good at.
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: And hers is probably more of like, I can do
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: some sort of good. And he's like, I've done the
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: rebellion thing. I'm done with that. I think hers was
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: more of like a calling of this is what I do.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: I can use this tragedy to try to go and
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: help people somewhere else and maybe balance out the horrible
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: things my son has done. Where Han was just more
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: of back to his old days of like, oh, well,
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: it's just me and Chewie on the road. Were you guys.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: expecting Leah to be more of a Jedi, to be
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: more trained.
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: Originally I was, once we get into this story, I guess.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: It does seem weird that they didn't go into... Like,
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: they didn't take it down that road.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Because that was the whole thing in Return of the Jedi.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Luke was telling Leia, you know, you have that power.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: You will learn to use it in time, just as
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I have. And it seems like she hasn't really gone forward.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Unless she's become a gardener and she uses the Force
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: for gardening.
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: Well, and again, I think that... I would like to
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: think that if you do have this thing, that, you know.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: She wasn't conscripted into the Jedi Order as a kid,
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: so she's free to do with the Force whatever she wants. So, yes,
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: she is, and I think it sort of shows that
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: she's in touch with it. So when Han dies, you
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: see her sort of sit down.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she felt that she knew exactly what happened.
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: So I have a feeling she uses it, but not
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: in a trained way.
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: That a Jedi Knight does. Well, and maybe she just,
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: from that point, again, kind of how we see Rey.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Just start using it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: Like, maybe it's one of those suddenly her negotiations got
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: really good and simple.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: So you were reading all the spinoff novels back in
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: the 90s, right?
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: No, I read the early ones.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Okay. Because I kind of remember, didn't Leia become a Jedi, basically,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: in the spinoff novels?
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: There's a whole bunch of, like, they had three kids.
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: Heir to the Empire and all that stuff, yeah. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: one of them went bad and two of them didn't.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: And then Luke had a kid with some other Imperial
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: officer that one of them went.
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: Everyone in the original series at some point went to
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: the dark side and then came back. They just had
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: a lot of books to fill. And some were canon,
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: some were not canon. A lot of weird stuff happened
• 48:37
  Speaker 8: in that.
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: Most of it now is not canon.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: Right, right.
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: Well, again, it's legends.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: How are we on time, by the way?
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: We are several episodes in.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Question. Who was the really old guy?
• 48:50
  Speaker 8: Max von Sydow.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but who... Is that someone that we know? Is
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: that someone from Rebels?
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: Is that.
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: No, but in the Star Wars franchise, we have to
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: find an old, respectable, distinguished actor to introduce into this
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: film and then kill him off. But the character, is
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: the character someone that we're supposed to know?
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: He has a name, and he is the leader in
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: some church of the force.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Church of the force.
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: Which my thinking is.
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: It's just some thing.
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: They made a.
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: up a one paragraph backstory for him and that was it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: But I feel like my thinking is the reason he
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: has such little time in this is somewhere down the
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: line there's an entire spinoff movie of a young version
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: of him.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: So there's, again, there's more story. I got it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: He is the son of Art Carney from the holiday special.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, it all fits.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: So I thought the same thing. I don't think so.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: You thought he was Art Carney's son?
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: I don't think that ages are right for that.
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: Because you don't get Max von Sydow to play a
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: role in your movie without it being kind of an
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: important role. And the fact that he's there, he says
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: a couple lines like, To me, she'll always be a princess.
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: And then you're dead. I was like, is he someone important?
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: Should I know what he was? Should I care?
• 50:06
  Speaker 8: And I went and looked it up, and he has
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: a name, and he's a mem leader in the Church
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: of the Force, and that's it.
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: But it is also what they do. It's kind of
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: what everybody kept doing. Well, we have to get the
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: old guy before we get him. Harry Potter kept doing that.
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: Lord of the Rings did that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: It's the hero's journey kind of stuff.
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: But it's what they have to do. It's like we
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: had Alec Guinness. And it all kind of elevates him
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: a little bit, too. It's like we had Alec Guinness.
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: We had Peter Cushing. Killed him off. We bring in
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: Christopher Lee from one of the other series. Killed him off.
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: So it's like it's what Star Wars does. They bring
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: in distinguished older actors and give them a little part
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: and then kill them off so that we can have
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: a bigger journey for the younger characters.
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: Like Harrison Ford.
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: Young buck that he is, Harrison Ford.
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: They thought the movie was going to fail so they
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: wanted to get like a renowned actor of Alec Guinness
• 50:57
  Speaker 8: to come in and play who didn't want to do it.
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: Oh, no. And continued, even when they got popular.
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: Did not want to do it. But he added, you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: gravitas to the scene. And then, you know, when you're
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: making a film in London, I mean, and you have
• 51:12
  Speaker 8: a chance to get Peter Cushing in your movie, you're like,
• 51:15
  Speaker 8: hell yeah, I'm going to get Peter Cushing in my movie.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: If Alec Guinness hated Star Wars so much, why did
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: he come back for the two sequels?
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: Paycheck.
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, by that time they had money. They were
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: probably like, here, it's two days. Just come in and
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: sit on this log and we'll make you a ghost.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, have you guys ever read any interviews with
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Mark Hamill and did he ever say if Alec Guinness
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: was just miserable the whole time or... Was he friendly?
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Were they friends?
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: I've heard he just didn't want to do it.
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: I've heard that he is as classy as you could be.
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: But he just thought his lines were crap. He thought
• 51:51
  Speaker 8: the sci-fi was dumb. But he still held himself as
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: a grand actor would.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Always a professional.
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: Which is cool. I mean, there's plenty of people that
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: do that. There's plenty of people that are like.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, he did some crap movies. He was in
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Raise the Titanic. Come on.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: That's a classic?
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, wait.
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: I was thinking of Beyond the Poseidon Adventure.
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: Never mind, never mind.
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: That one's a classic.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, one other thing I thought was a little crappy
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: were the octopus monsters.
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: I was going to ask you guys what.
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: It seemed unnecessary.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: It kind of didn't work for me, but I was
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: going with it.
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: I was okay with it just because I thought we
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: needed some sort of adventure because it had become a
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: lot of like, and jump on this ship, and then
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: we go to there.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: But they were space pirates. They could have done stuff
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: with the space pirates.
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: It was space pirates, but we didn't have a bit...
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: And again, that was really hard to do in the
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: old days. We have the technology to do that. It
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: doesn't mean we have to, but... I thought it was
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: kind of fun. It's one of those things I feel
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: like Han and Chewie got into those kind of adventures
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: all the time back in the day and we never
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: got to see that. All we got to see was
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: them dealing with the Empire. I feel like there's a
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: million little side stories that are kind of more like that.
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: Remember that time when we captured that? Maybe it was
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: the effect that kind of That's probably the most... It
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: was too CG for me. Yeah, that was the most noticeable.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Like, in the original movie, all we needed was the
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: periscope head and the tentacle around Luke's leg, and I
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: was terrified of going in the bathtub for years. You know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: this was... I don't know. Maybe, again, it's my CGI fatigue.
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: But for as little as you noticed in this movie.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: It didn't last long. I'm glad about that.
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: I do agree that I think it was some kind
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: of pirate shenanigans.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: But it did seem like it could have been done
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: better than that. Like you could have had a shenanigan scene,
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: but without three CGI monsters getting loose.
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: I thought it was going to come down to more
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: of like Tarantino in space where it's like they're in
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: the middle and he's going to work some sort of
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: scoundrel deal where they shoot each other and then he
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: and Chewie get out of it.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been great.
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: That would have been kind of like more fitting of
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: the old Star Wars. Or what?
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: Another little nitpicky thing. So you're in space, which supposedly
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: your ships have sensors and whatnot, and you're getting subsumed
• 54:17
  Speaker 8: by another spaceship, and you're like, oh, it's a First
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: Order ship. Shouldn't you be able to look down on
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: the screen and see what class of ship just swallowed
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: your ship?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: The Falcon's old... Probably doesn't have GPS the way modern
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: cars do.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: Fair enough.
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: But it almost would have been better if the two
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: other pirates show up and then the first order comes.
• 54:39
  Speaker 8: And so now all shit's going to hell and they
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: get out.
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: It's a true romance moment. Everyone shoots each other.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I think something else about the octopuses that bugged me was,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: of course, the minute the octopus grabs a pirate, he's
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: eaten immediately. But you grab the hero. I'm just going
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: to wait half an hour.
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's the same.
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: I'm going to drag him across the ship for 10 minutes.
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: It's the same complaint I had about aliens.
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: And I love aliens.
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: But I'm like, everybody else immediately gets chest bursted. Newt
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: gets drug off and kept captive so she can rescue her.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: I just realized. You were complaining about the lack of
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: severed limbs. There were severed space octopus tentacles.
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: There you go. There's your severed limb. With a door,
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: not with a lightsaber. Technicality. But yeah, I feel like
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: they kind of play that card a little too many times.
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: But the hero gets drug a little bit further so
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: we can rescue him, kind of. They get taken back
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: to get turned into a host person. It was nice.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: It was nice that it wasn't the girl that got snagged.
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that the girl saved. Once again, the girl saved.
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: The girl saves him.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Quite a few times.
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: Although she is the one that let him out by
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: flipping the wrong pieces.
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: Again, a very Han Solo moment. She is so, and
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: that's what I was getting to earlier. I do feel
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: like we have these original characters that get sidelined or
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: taken out completely, and the new ones step up. BB's
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: the new R2. Now, midway in, you know, our girl
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: is new Chewie. Like, literally. They shoot Chewie. He's laid out. She's,
• 56:12
  Speaker 7: but again, it gives us the excuse to see her
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: in the co-pilot seat, see Han go, oh, shit, she
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: knows what she's doing. When Han has respect for somebody,
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: you're like, all right, they're pretty damn cool.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: You know, one of my favorite Rey scenes, now that
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I think about it, do you remember in the original
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Star Wars, they come to rescue Princess Leia. She's not
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: that grateful. She's spunky.
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: She's like, this is a shit plan.
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: That's why that movie's so good, though. She's very real world.
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: She's just like, this is not a rescue. You guys
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: don't know what the hell you're doing. Why she's also
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: such a great character.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: So Han and Finn are going in to rescue her.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: And even though they don't technically rescue her because she's
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: a badass and she got out, when she finds out
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: that they had actually come to get her, she is
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: so grateful and happy. That's when I really fell in
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: love with this character because she had gratitude. She was
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: genuinely touched and I think based on those scenes we
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: see of her on Jakku, her daily life, sitting in
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: front of the Ad Ad all by herself, I don't
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: think she really had any friends ever. And it's like
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: she was... I don't know, my heart kind of broke
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: because she was so happy that someone cared about her
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: that much to come and get her. Even though she
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: didn't technically need it, they came.
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: I had that even before that. You see both of
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: them in that first scene where they meet, and they
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: both have that same reaction of... They're trying to help
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: each other, and they're like, oh, nobody's ever helped me before.
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: She's just like, I've been alone my whole life. He's like,
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: nobody's ever seen me as an individual before, let alone
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: try to help me get out of this situation. So
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: it's like that moment where they kind of connect. Again,
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: one of the running jokes I kind of like is
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: that he keeps trying to hold her hand. That was
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: pretty damn funny. You don't have to take my hand. So, again,
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: you get the little chemistry thing going on there from
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: the beginning. But at the same time, I think there's
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: also just a general, like, gratitude that, like, wow, somebody else. And, again,
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: showing that these characters are such good characters that, again,
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: I don't normally have that reaction. I'm a heartless bastard.
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: So the fact that I like them so much.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: It works so much better than I hate sand. And
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I made you this necklace that will bring you good fortune.
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: Poor Hayden. in that other little bastard.
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: In that same scene where Finn is staring at Han
• 58:45
  Speaker 8: and Han keeps nodding his head. He's like, why are
• 58:49
  Speaker 8: you doing that?
• 58:49
  Speaker 7: What does this mean? Trying to come up with a
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: plan here. Why do you keep doing this? Why do
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: you keep doing that? I'm like, but again, I was like,
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: that's kind of ridiculous.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Why would he do that?
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: I was like, but he's not been around humans his
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: whole life. He's been raised in this little, he probably
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: doesn't understand social cues and hey, idiot, look over there. Like,
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: so again later i was like i guess it does
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: make sense that he doesn't know how to interact with
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: people on a regular everyday basis.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: By the way you know i knew they didn't kill
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: poe but Did you think it was strange? He was like, oh,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: you're alive. Yeah, I was thrown from the ship.
• 59:25
  Speaker 9: No problem.
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: So that was one of my only other few complaints.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was?
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 59:30
  Speaker 8: Was the miraculous ejection of Poe. And it managed to
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: get his jacket off. He was to take the jacket
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: off and leave it on the, exactly.
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: Was he wearing it before? I couldn't remember.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: Maybe he took it off before he got it. I'm
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: just trying to make sense of it now.
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: I would have thought he didn't take it off because
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: they kind of jumped in the TIE fighter and then
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: like immediately, you know, it's not like, oh, let me
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: get situated.
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: On the other side of that, it was a pretty
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: cool jacket. I mean, if I was going to rescue
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: something out of a TIE fighter, probably Poe, but then
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: also the jacket.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: You know, when they were firing the guns in the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: TIE fighter, I loved how it wasn't, just it it
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: seems like over the past 40 years or whatever it
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: seems like when you have laser guns you know it's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: like it's like they they they felt chunky whenever he
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: was firing.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: They did that with the lightsabers too the lightsabers not
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 8: only did they look jaggedy when they but they.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Now did luke's i mean ren's did And I took
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: it to be that Ren didn't really know how to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: build a lightsaber.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: It seemed like Luke's was beefy. The sound was beefier.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: I don't know if the look was beefier, but it
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: had more of a mmm to it when.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: It was going. Okay, but when he was shooting the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: turret in the TIE Fighter, it felt like there was
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: a recoil.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: Like you're really in something shooting a giant laser cannon
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: and stuff.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: And then when he gets in the Falcon, I love
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: how the Falcon was so old that he tries to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: do a subtle move, and it's.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: He's like, try sitting in this thing.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 9: It is.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, this is Jeanette Goldstein and you are listening
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  Speaker 1: to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 4: It's part of your.
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  Speaker 5: Problem, you know.
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  Speaker 8: You haven't seen enough movies.
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  Speaker 4: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
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  Speaker 1: And now, on with the show.
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  Speaker 9: What did you think of the laser bolt being frozen?
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  Speaker 7: Nice very nice touch that's i didn't see it in
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  Speaker 7: 3d did you see it in 3d no i don't
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  Speaker 7: want it wasn't again if it wasn't made for 3d
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  Speaker 7: yeah i feel like anything that's just sort of upscaled
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  Speaker 7: in quotes to 3d usually usually isn't worth it.
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  Speaker 8: One of the things that we you know we go
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  Speaker 8: back to how when two and three ruined the jedi
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  Speaker 8: they they established what their powers were they could you
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  Speaker 8: know jump, they could deflect stuff with their somersaults, whereas this,
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  Speaker 8: it's like the powers are a lot more nebulous. I
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  Speaker 8: can force you to read your mind. I can stop
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  Speaker 8: a laser bolt in midair. I like it's a little
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  Speaker 8: more fuzzy.
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  Speaker 7: It really didn't define, because if you think about Star Wars,
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  Speaker 7: the original, they really didn't even, there wasn't even telepowers.
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  Speaker 7: He could change the stormtrooper's mind to do what he
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  Speaker 7: wanted to do, He could kind of feel things, but
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  Speaker 7: they weren't even, like, moving stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: That didn't come until Empire, really. So he really had
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  Speaker 7: not ironed out at all. Maybe he hadn't decided yet.
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  Speaker 7: But I feel like from the Luke point of view,
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  Speaker 7: we're taking this ride with Luke, and Luke has no
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  Speaker 7: idea what his powers are. And I'm like, again, I
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  Speaker 7: think the not knowing is what made it so cool
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  Speaker 7: back then. And then when they have to pin everything down, oh,
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  Speaker 7: here's this list, and you can do this, and you
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  Speaker 7: can do this.
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  Speaker 8: Well, and that's sort of the problem is they– In
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  Speaker 8: order to make the Jedi's cooler and cooler and cooler,
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  Speaker 8: they kept adding more powers. Like, I want to say
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  Speaker 8: in one of the Tartofsky cartoons, the original Clone Wars,
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  Speaker 8: Mace Windu rips a Star Destroyer out of the sky
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  Speaker 8: and crashes it into the ground.
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  Speaker 7: That's pretty powerful.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, exactly. That might have been actually one of
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  Speaker 8: the video games. But he dissembles something with his Force powers,
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  Speaker 8: like some big walker.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 8: You know, so it's like there's this constant, well, we
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  Speaker 8: did that.
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  Speaker 7: Now we have to make him do something even cooler.
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  Speaker 8: So now he moves planets out of their orbits and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: The problem with that is they keep saying how Anakin
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  Speaker 2: is supposed to be more powerful than all of them,
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  Speaker 2: but he never does anything above that. So you never
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  Speaker 2: get that feeling.
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  Speaker 7: That's one of those I was trying to think, restore
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  Speaker 7: balance to the, and I'm like, is how far, like
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  Speaker 7: how far off is this prophecy and wherever the hell
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  Speaker 7: this prophecy came from? But I'm like, is him, is
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  Speaker 7: the whole thing Luke coming back and restoring power? Is
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  Speaker 7: it like, well, we were right. You could not have
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  Speaker 7: the balance restored to the universe without Anakin doing what
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  Speaker 7: he did, having Luke, Luke coming back. And so it's like,
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  Speaker 7: is Luke the final answer that comes into play there?
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  Speaker 7: I've kind of lately been trying to figure out if
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  Speaker 7: that's part of it. they have this grand plan of
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  Speaker 7: like restoring balance to the universe. And I'm like, is
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  Speaker 7: Luke really the final part of that plan?
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  Speaker 8: Well, honestly, I, I, there, there's two things in movies
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  Speaker 8: that will immediately turn me off. One is time travel shenanigans.
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  Speaker 8: I think that is a weak story plot device.
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  Speaker 9: And the other one is prophecy.
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  Speaker 7: In a regular movie, or if that's the plot of
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  Speaker 7: the main movie. Cause I like time travel movies and,
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  Speaker 7: They are nothing but waiting to.
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  Speaker 8: Be punched holes in. But if you haven't established time
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  Speaker 8: travel and then you have.
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  Speaker 7: To throw it in... And then you just fly backwards
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  Speaker 7: to save Lois.
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  Speaker 8: Then you have.
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  Speaker 2: Did you hate Bill and Ted?
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  Speaker 7: Because that one sort of was about time travel. That's okay.
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  Speaker 7: So great. Come on, that guy's awesome.
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  Speaker 8: That introduced the whole, hey, when we get out of this,
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  Speaker 8: remind me to put the key there. That's genius because
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  Speaker 8: that's what.
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  Speaker 9: You would do.
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  Speaker 7: That is pretty funny.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 7: You can.
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  Speaker 8: predetermine your success by saying, when I succeed.
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  Speaker 7: Go do this. And I must have succeeded because here
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  Speaker 7: it is.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 7: That's great.
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  Speaker 8: But any time you use time travel or prophecy to me,
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  Speaker 8: you should go back and try to think of a better. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Don't read the Holy Bible.
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  Speaker 7: You may hate it. Nine out of ten times.
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  Speaker 8: It changes because you misinterpreted the prophecy. You thought he
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  Speaker 8: was the thing that was going to bring balance. But no,
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  Speaker 8: he's the one that got it further out of whack.
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  Speaker 8: And it was his son that as part of the
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  Speaker 8: process comes in. And he's the one that restored it.
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  Speaker 8: But then who's to say that his son was the
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  Speaker 8: one that doesn't get it more out of whack. And
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  Speaker 8: then someone else comes.
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  Speaker 7: And never ends we might not be done yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Continually misinterpret the prophecy so prophecies are bullshit to use
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  Speaker 8: as plot devices.
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  Speaker 7: Well if Nostradamus has taught me anything it's oh wait
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  Speaker 7: that guy didn't know.
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  Speaker 8: What the hell he was talking about he has to
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  Speaker 8: watch out for a guy named Hisler he was close.
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  Speaker 7: Almost that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Hokie religions are no substitute for good blaster by your side.
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  Speaker 5: The American way.
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  Speaker 2: And then your kid kills you because you try to
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  Speaker 2: bring the Hokie religion.
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  Speaker 8: So how do you interpret that scene at the end?
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  Speaker 2: At the very end with Luke?
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  Speaker 8: With Kylo Killinghead.
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  Speaker 2: What interpret it?
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  Speaker 8: Okay, so I feel like... Snook says that you've got
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  Speaker 8: one more thing you have to do.
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  Speaker 7: Wait, hold it.
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  Speaker 2: Footnote. Snook is a terrible name for the new evil guy. Really?
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  Speaker 7: Seriously? And really, like, even just... Isn't that from Jersey Shore?
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  Speaker 7: But no, on top of that, I was like, doesn't
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  Speaker 7: it sound kind of like Snope? Didn't we just have
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  Speaker 7: a giant sci-fi extravaganza that also had a bad guy
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  Speaker 7: named Snope?
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  Speaker 2: I will say this. I was really afraid that he
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  Speaker 2: was actually 20 feet tall.
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  Speaker 7: Me too.
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  Speaker 8: Until the very end of that scene when it flickered out.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, good. I did not want to
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  Speaker 2: see Luke fighting a 20 foot CGI guy.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I've also now heard it theorized that, so does
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  Speaker 7: that mean all of that is fake? that like all
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  Speaker 7: of it's what do you mean like maybe he doesn't
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  Speaker 7: even look like that like it's a total wizard of
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  Speaker 7: oz plan like this is all thrown out there as like.
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  Speaker 2: You mean those were monkey eyes those weren't.
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  Speaker 7: His real eyes monkey eyes because george hadn't made up
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  Speaker 7: his mind what he looked like yet.
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  Speaker 8: But so um sorry so so so snoke says i've
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  Speaker 8: got one more thing you you have to do and
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  Speaker 8: he says i don't know if you're if you if
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  Speaker 8: you're prepared for it um And I'm pretty sure that was,
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  Speaker 8: at some point, you're going to have to come to
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  Speaker 8: terms with your parent issues and kill your dad. Like,
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  Speaker 8: that's your step to the dark side.
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  Speaker 7: It's the Sith way.
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  Speaker 8: So, at the end, do you think that he did
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  Speaker 8: it because he's like, yes, I'm turning evil? Or is
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  Speaker 8: he like, I'm too far gone? Because he makes some
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  Speaker 8: thing about being seduced by the light.
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  Speaker 2: No, he kept saying that the light was bugging him.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: He felt the drawback. to it are you are you
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  Speaker 2: asking do you think Han Solo was saying I'll help
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  Speaker 2: relieve your pain go ahead and kill.
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  Speaker 8: Me no no no no no I'm thinking so so
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  Speaker 8: was the action an action of weakness like I don't
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  Speaker 8: want to but I'm too far gone so I'm going
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  Speaker 8: to do this or was it yeah, I'm going to
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  Speaker 8: kill my dad and make the turn to the dark side.
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  Speaker 2: I saw the conflict in him.
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  Speaker 7: Well, my question is, is the conflict real? Or was
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  Speaker 7: he presenting that to bring Han in so that he
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  Speaker 7: could kill him? Was he faking that, oh, I'm so
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  Speaker 7: torn up, please help me, and then he just wanted
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  Speaker 7: to kill him?
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  Speaker 2: I really thought the conflict was real. And honestly, if
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  Speaker 2: he had left his mask on, I don't think it
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  Speaker 2: would have been as powerful, but because you see in
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  Speaker 2: his eyes, I mean, again, we need to see this
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  Speaker 2: again and kind of really study his body language. But
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  Speaker 2: what I took away from it was he was really
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  Speaker 2: teetering on the edge. He could have gone either way.
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  Speaker 2: And I think at the last second, it just, it
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  Speaker 2: pulled him back and he did it. I really don't
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  Speaker 2: think he was doing, you're asking if he thought it
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  Speaker 2: was a ruse to get him there. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I guess it was, it was a little, what
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  Speaker 8: was the conflict?
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  Speaker 2: The conflict was the light and the dark inside. He
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  Speaker 2: kept filling the hole to the light.
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  Speaker 8: And I guess what was the determining factor of stab
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  Speaker 8: my dad? He was saying, he.
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  Speaker 2: Was telling Han that he is so conflicted and it's
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  Speaker 2: tearing him apart. He doesn't know how to stop it.
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  Speaker 2: And Han's like, we can help you. And I think
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  Speaker 2: in his mind, it was like, I can make this
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  Speaker 2: voice in the back of my head shut up if
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  Speaker 2: I just kill this guy who represents the light.
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  Speaker 7: Again, if we go back to more of the addiction
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  Speaker 7: part of it, if the conflict is real, it's him,
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  Speaker 7: help me. Take this lightsaber away from me because I.
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  Speaker 8: Don't... Yeah, I forgot about that because he holds it.
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  Speaker 8: He holds it out and he's like... And then he
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  Speaker 8: holds on to it too much.
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  Speaker 7: I'm fighting with the light the light says take this
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  Speaker 7: lightsaber away from me i'm still good please help me
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  Speaker 7: and then the dark side wins out and turns it
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  Speaker 7: on so is that what we're to believe that like
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  Speaker 7: the the dark side is more of an addiction hold
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  Speaker 7: and it takes over and it's more powerful or or
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  Speaker 7: again is it it's so powerful that it's making him
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  Speaker 7: crazy and the only thing that will shut it up
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  Speaker 7: is I'm telling you to kill him, you kill him
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  Speaker 7: because I'm the dark side and I'm in charge of
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  Speaker 7: your brain now.
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  Speaker 2: I think he was trying to kill the light side
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  Speaker 2: in his head.
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  Speaker 7: I can see that as part of the argument here.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know for sure what it is. I think
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  Speaker 7: it's all of those things. Well, we obviously have to
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  Speaker 7: see the movie a second time. 700 times to figure
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  Speaker 7: this out.
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  Speaker 8: So that was the other thing is.
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  Speaker 8: I went into the movie with no preconceptions. And I
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  Speaker 8: don't like J.J. Abrams. And I don't like pretty much
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  Speaker 8: any of the movies he's done.
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  Speaker 2: If this movie sucked, I was prepared to call him
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  Speaker 2: Jar Jar Abrams to the end of time.
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  Speaker 7: See, I felt like you were getting a bad vibe
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  Speaker 7: when I was defending him as a director. So feel
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  Speaker 7: free to do what you have issues with.
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  Speaker 8: Because I don't think.
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  Speaker 7: He's perfect, but he's been entertaining. I never watched Alias.
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  Speaker 8: Never really cared. I thought the first season of Lost
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  Speaker 8: was really good, but then it went off the rails
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  Speaker 8: because they... And I blame, so he had a sidekick
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  Speaker 8: for a long time named Damon Lindelof. Yeah, I figured
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  Speaker 8: who can fucking burn in hell.
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  Speaker 7: I was pretty sure Abrams was gone by the time
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  Speaker 7: it went off the rails.
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  Speaker 8: But then he did Super.
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  Speaker 9: 8, which is okay.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't like the ending.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it loses its way. The kid's story
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  Speaker 7: is awesome. I could care less about the monster bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: So I know where you're going. I always kind of
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  Speaker 2: feel like J.J. Abrams doesn't always stick the landing of
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  Speaker 2: the projects he starts, either because he's there or he's
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  Speaker 2: not there. But anyway.
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  Speaker 8: And then both Star Trek movies are garbage, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm not a Trek fan. I am far more
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  Speaker 8: of a Star Wars fan. I grew up with Star
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  Speaker 8: Trek because of the original series being on WDRB every
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  Speaker 8: Sunday afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: Me too.
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  Speaker 5: I watched it.
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  Speaker 8: But I'm not a fan. And a bunch of other
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  Speaker 8: reasons why I'm not a fan of Star Trek in general.
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  Speaker 8: They have nothing to do with the.
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  Speaker 7: Abrams, but.
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  Speaker 8: The first two movies, I think, are bad. The only
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  Speaker 8: two good things to come out of that was the
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  Speaker 8: casting of Scotty was spot on, and the casting of
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: Bones was spot on.
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  Speaker 7: Bones is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: They're both so underused.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like those two movies are entertaining. I feel
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  Speaker 7: like they have huge holes. that like that's more of
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  Speaker 7: what concerned me is like he kind of threw the
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  Speaker 7: old stuff out the window and went i don't really
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  Speaker 7: care i'm gonna do it my way and like screw
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 7: the people who don't like it which in a way
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: is a it's a gutsy move but again going into
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 7: star wars i'm a little more reverent.
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  Speaker 8: One so i was like um i don't know whether
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  Speaker 8: this will be good or not but um you're not
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  Speaker 8: selling me on the director now i sort of i
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 8: sort of feel bad because i want to say he
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: was a huge Star Wars fan and not a Star
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  Speaker 8: Trek fan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 8: So they gave him Star Trek and he obviously didn't
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  Speaker 8: understand Star Trek. And I'm like, so I hope since
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  Speaker 8: he claims to be a Star Wars fan, because it's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 8: easy to claim you're a Star Wars fan, I hope
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  Speaker 8: he doesn't mess it up. He did, and don't get
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  Speaker 8: me wrong, he did a great job with this. But
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  Speaker 8: I'm still not sold on him.
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  Speaker 7: Well, he's gone now, I'm pretty sure. Right, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure he'll be executive producer on stuff.
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  Speaker 7: I think he's going to help like shepherd it but
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  Speaker 7: I think he's handing the reins over.
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  Speaker 5: The next two.
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  Speaker 2: I almost wonder if episode eight has a harder job
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  Speaker 2: because there was so much nostalgia going into this and
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  Speaker 2: Harrison Ford. I think Harrison Ford being in it was
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  Speaker 2: a huge deal.
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  Speaker 7: He had the bridge movie. He had the generations of
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  Speaker 7: his movie. So thankfully it didn't go down that road,
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  Speaker 7: but he had the like, okay, we're going to pass.
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  Speaker 7: And like I said, just handing the reins over, like
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  Speaker 7: you're the new Han Solo.
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  Speaker 8: Now, you know?
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  Speaker 7: Although they've crossed over. Because in the beginning, I feel
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: like Finn has very Han Solo type behavior. I feel
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  Speaker 7: like he may eventually... It's just funny she's riding around
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  Speaker 7: with Chewie in the Millennium Falcon.
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  Speaker 2: I can't put... Yeah, I mean, I honestly.
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  Speaker 7: But she eventually, I feel like, will be more of
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  Speaker 7: the Luke.
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  Speaker 8: Well, and I don't want a new Luke.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want a new Han. No, I don't either.
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  Speaker 8: I don't want a new Leia. I want just... If
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 8: you need five new characters, give me five new characters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me wonder what Finn's place is going
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  Speaker 2: to be. You know?
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  Speaker 9: I feel like he.
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  Speaker 7: Again, I feel like he... And I wonder, because again,
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  Speaker 7: he took to the lightsaber so much, I wonder if
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 7: we get to the next one, is he also going
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: to like, yeah, I know you're a badass with the Force,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: but I want to learn about it too. Are they
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: both going to be easy?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Part of me wonders if he's tuned into it a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: little bit. Again, because in the very beginning, he kind
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: of snaps. Yeah. And again, if he's there with Max Monsito,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: who was head of Force Church, maybe there was some
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: foresee things happening and it was kind of getting in
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: his head when he got there.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: And can I say that I like the fact that
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 8: the arms race has gone to the point where the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: Empire now has anti-lightsaber weapons as opposed to this guy
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: running through the battlefield with the most powerful thing that
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 8: slices and dices everything he comes across. They now have
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: something that stops them.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 7: That was kind of impressive and weird at the same time.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: What did you think when Finn skewered that guy? That
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: was like.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: Oh, that was out of nowhere.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was kind of shocking because you didn't even
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: see him lead up to it. That was his opening move.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: And I was like, whoa, no wonder this is PG-13.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: He just stabbed that guy through the chest.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: Which, again, I thought that was kind of cool. That's
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: what I always was so iffy about on the first
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 7: two when Lucas came back, because now we have the PG. Granted,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: there was nothing in the old ones, and Empire would
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: have been PG-13.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 8: Well, because a lightsaber is not a friendly weapon.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: No, there's no lightweight.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 8: It solely slices and dices stuff, or reflects your stuff
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: back at you. I mean, it is not in any
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: way user-friendly item.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: But I always felt like the prequels kind of pulled
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 7: back until Sith. Sith gets pretty dark, but I felt
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: like you could feel Lucas pulling back to the kid-friendly
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: PG level. Whereas this, from the get-go, it's like, it's
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: pretty violent and they don't care.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: Well, it starts out with the Massacre of a Village.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was like, it stays with that. And I'm like,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: that's the universe we need to set up here. So
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: don't pull it back to be kid-friendly. Just make the
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 7: movie we need to make.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: I gotta ask this, you know, when that very first
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: trailer was shown, the big nerd controversy was the cross
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: guard on the lightsaber. Seeing the movie, did you guys
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: even think about it? Did you care?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: I'm at least happy that we saw it used. Because
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: I was like, it seems like it's equally as dangerous.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: But I always said that about Darth Maul, too. I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: was like, that's possibly the worst weapon I've ever seen.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: Unless you're that guy, it's the most deadly weapon to
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 7: yourself than anything else I've seen.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, a lightsaber, even with a cross guard,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 8: that's not... Another lightsaber.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: A basic lightsaber.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: It is a fucking deadly weapon.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: It's a deadly to you weapon if you have no
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: idea what you're doing. So yeah, to me it's just
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: as easy to take your hand off if you don't
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 7: know what you're doing. But the fact that we saw
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: him use it for what I guess is it's only
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 7: real because there are a lot of up close battles with,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 7: you know, as we've seen in the prequels, they do
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 7: a whole lot of like get in your face and
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 7: have some dialogue while you're holding it there making a
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 7: buzzy noise. So at least in this case, you have
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 7: a way to use that as your advantage. And if
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: you're Sith, you want to be a dick and use
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: everything to your advantage. So why not add that?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 8: I am fine. Again, we all have our lines. And
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 8: that was cool for coolness sake. And I was fine
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 8: with it. I wasn't bent out of shape like a
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 8: lot of people were. So many people were.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: It was so weird.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 8: A lightsaber by itself is the most impractical overpowered weapon
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 8: there is.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: But we're all working one in our basement, right? Let's
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: just be honest.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 8: To bring back Venture Brothers where the guy at the
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 8: swap meet where he's selling lightsabers and the guy's like,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 8: this is every kid's dream. I don't care how much
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 8: this costs, I want it. Oh, now I see why
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 8: it doesn't work because they didn't cut anything.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: I love how 21 became a badass. Oh, that was
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: just the best thing.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Ogo Pogo.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: Oh, man.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: But yeah, every kid's dream after seeing Star Wars was
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 8: to have a lightsaber. I mean, good God.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: And we all played with them. The one thing I
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: don't agree with, you can have your crazy little lightsaber
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: shooting out the side. You can have the one that
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 7: fires both sides, Darth Maul style. But that new thing
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: they're selling for kids where you build a lightsaber and
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 7: it's got U-shaped things and four lightsabers coming off the top.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: That's the dumbest looking.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's like a light menorah.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: I was just like, why is this candle opera in
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: your hand, kid? Because it's... It's supposed to be a lightsaber,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: and now you just look like a dork.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: It comes full circle. You said if you have the Force,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: why do you have to be a monk? Why couldn't
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: you be a gardener? It's a light garden weasel. It's
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: what it is.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 8: It's a light tiller.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: It's a light tiller.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: I think if you're a Jedi, you should look cool.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: It's my light tool.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: It makes you look like a dork, so you should
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: go old school and look cool.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 8: A big stick with a crossbar, and then four little
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 8: ones that come out for you to do your raking.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: The best forest gardener there is.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: I tilled it like I owned it. Well, when's the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: show again? Is it on here?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 7: Is there anything else we've left out?
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the movie will start up again in
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: about 20 minutes.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, I have my sort of wraparound here. Because
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: I think it did a great job.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: It totally.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: reinvigorated the whole franchise. I actually have faith moving forward now.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 7: I think everything about it was great. The one thing
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 7: I will say.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Except for space geography, right?
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 8: We've all got our lines.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: No, the one thing I'll say is the even bigger
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: picture than even nitpicking story plot lines is the fact
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 7: that as awesome as you're going to do, JJ, and
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: everybody who comes after him, They're still playing in somebody
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: else's sandbox. So the one thing I didn't get... Actually,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: I more responded to how, like I said, how familiar
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: it felt. I finally felt like we were back in
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 7: a Star Wars movie. But the other thing I've given
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: Lucas so much credit for lately is how visionary that
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: first Star.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: Wars movie was.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: In 77, nobody had seen anything like that. Not just
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: the special effects. I also mean just visual style. The
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 7: look of the Death Star, the look of everything is
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: so stylish and different than anything we'd seen. And now
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 7: when they get up on the ship and it looks
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: kind of like the Death Star, I'm like, that's awesome.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: It's back. But you're also just kind of taking from
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: that thing we've already seen. I want them to move
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 7: into new. And we get moments of it. We get
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 7: things that are at least different that we haven't seen before.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but think about it. You were saying you didn't
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: like Phantom Menace. One of the reasons is because it
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: didn't feel like a Star Wars movie. And it's because
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: it didn't have those elements that you recognized.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: It didn't.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: It didn't have the weird ovals on the wall.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: So much of that. Again, it was so good to
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: see that again. And I'm not taking away from what
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 7: they're doing. Again, I think that's why this works. I'm just, again,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: I heap so much anger on Lucas for the prequels,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: but I'm like, I want to give him, like, everybody
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: forever is going to be, like, indebted to him for
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: creating that first movie and that style. And I think
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 7: they turned around and improved on it without him. I
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: think Empire's a technically better movie. But again, it's still
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: taking from what he already created the universe he already
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: started building.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Did he get a credit?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 7: He's executive producer on, you know, the rest of them.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: No, no, I'm sorry, in Seven.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: Did they even do characters by? They have to, I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: would think, somewhere.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 8: I know that supposedly when he sold everything to Disney,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 8: and this is, my vague recollection.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: It was full out.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 8: So I think that he had seven written.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they didn't want it.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 8: Now, what they did with it, what elements are still
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 8: in there that were his, I have no idea. I
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 8: know that they brought back, was it Lawrence Kasdan?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 7: Lawrence Kasdan came back. I was so glad to see that.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: And other people. So I'm sure that written by is
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 8: probably 10 people.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: I did read a story where Lucas said that he,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: as part of the sale, he gave him his ideas
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: for episode seven and they didn't use, they wanted to
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: go in a completely different direction. And he was a
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: little bit about it.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: So, you know, but again, for as much shit as
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 7: I give him, he gave all that money to Jerry.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: So I'm like, for all the stuff I want to
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: keep on him, I'm like, that's a pretty damn cool thing.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah. I mean, you know, I, I, I lump
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 8: a lot of, a lot of shit on, on Lucas too.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 8: And as I'll say, he isn't a good person or
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 8: hasn't done great things.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: I just kind of an amazing person that, we just
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 7: needed somebody to, again, he made some bad movies, but
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 7: at the same time, he's a pretty awesome person for
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: the other stuff he's brought us.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 8: So I always look at it like this. Being a
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 8: non-creative person whose elements are not critiqued by millions of
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 8: people every day, I live a pretty good life. I
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 8: am not risking anything because I'm not putting anything out
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 8: there for the masses to consume and nitpick and critique.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Except podcasts.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 8: Well, fair enough. And guess what? I don't look at
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: people commenting.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: On the podcast. I'll let you know when they hate
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: your name. Please do.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: I used to dream of people commenting on our podcast.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: I used to dream of it.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: So it.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 8: So anybody who puts something out there, it's easy for
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 8: me to sit there and critique J.J. Abrams or anyone,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 8: but they are doing something that I can't do and
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 8: I don't do. So they are, even though I believe
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 8: it's my right to nitpick them, I certainly hope that
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 8: they don't go home and cry about this stuff.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: If they gave us the movie for free, then I
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: wouldn't nitpick at all. You know, like, I used to
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: work at.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: You say that now.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: I used to work at Leo, and it's a free newspaper,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: and it always would boggle our minds when people would
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: complain about it. And we're like, you didn't buy it.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: It didn't cost you anything. What do you care? Why
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: do you care? You know, but because they're asking me
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: to buy a $ 15 movie ticket, I can complain about
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: Kylo getting out of the OSHA bridge back in the
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: snow before they get.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: Back, so.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 7: I'm in Lucas as a whole thing. It's like, again,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 7: he made very few movies in his career and maybe doesn't.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: all together now, so it sounds like. So, I mean,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 7: he made two. Again, American Graffiti's pretty good. From that
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: point on, you know, Star Wars, what he gave us
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 7: from Star Wars on as far as the universe is
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 7: pretty impressive and what he's handed off to these other people.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 7: But even outside of that, Skywalker Sound, ILM, blue screen technology,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 7: which now gave us green screen. Pixar came from a
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 7: company that was started by him and got bought by Mac.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, all of these things that led to everything else. Like,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 7: he revolutionized so much in our industry that just came from,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 7: you know, he didn't single-handedly do it, but he started
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 7: everything that then changed everything that we have. You know,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 7: it's like I still for as much crap as I
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: give him, like he's such an important character in filmmaking
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 7: and just the technology that went into it and the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: marketing of it. I mean, nobody had ever marketed a
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: movie like he did or merchandised a movie like it
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: for good or bad. He changed history at that point.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, he's a pretty impressive character to look
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: at in the 20 and 21st century. I don't know.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: It's a huge mark that he's left on society as
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: a whole.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: And that's... I don't know.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: That's pretty impressive.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm getting you a Jar Jar Binks action figure
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: for Christmas.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: And I hate Jar Jar. Senator Jar Jar. Who brought
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: the downfall of all things.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 8: Well, so if you want to get nitpicky, how do
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 8: you live on a planet... And not realize that there's
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 8: a whole aquatic race living in the oceans and swamps
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 8: of your planet? It's like the Booleans.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: What the hell is a gum gum? It's like the homeless.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Don't really see them. Don't really care about them. Don't
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: really think about them.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but the homeless... Well, do the homeless have large
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: underground cities.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: That they all live in? They might.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 8: Where do they go to sleep on cold nights?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 7: I don't know. If we got ourselves in trouble and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 7: can recruit the homeless to fight our battles for us,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 7: we'd totally do that.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: And everyone knows that there's an underworld of lizard men
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: that secretly.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 9: Rule the world.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 7: Everyone knows that.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: We just choose not to see it. AlexJones.com.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 8: But, you know, I agree. Like I said, if you
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 8: look at the sci-fi movies that came before Star Wars,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 8: the only one that even comes close to the look
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 8: is 2001. I just said that out of the last episode.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, 2001 is... Technology was there, but
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 7: it's so slow.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 7: Action wasn't there.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 8: But you can see how after that movie came out,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 8: no one adopted it.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 8: And then nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. And then Star Wars
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 8: comes out.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 7: And again.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 8: That was the moment where we can take sci-fi serious,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: you know? I mean, it always was serious, but it
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 8: made enough money for people to look at it and go, yes.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: Financially serious.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 8: Yes, we can make money from this, so let's give
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 8: it to people.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: Story-wise.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 7: Because it almost counterbalanced. It's like, because 2001 takes it serious,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 7: deadly serious, and it didn't really make a ton of money.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 7: But the other way around, it's like, we can take
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 7: the merchandising of it and the making it a serious
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 7: thing in the market and turn around and do a
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: much lighter, more fun plot. And then people will show
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 7: up and actually buy the tickets, which, so it's, it's
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 7: that counterbalance of like, it's a much lighter story than 2001,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 7: but we're using the technology of it to make something
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 7: that will please audiences too.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: It's yeah.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: It's such a balance that again, I don't know if
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 7: they were aware how much they were doing.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 8: Which again was what made, Guardians of the Galaxy is
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 8: such a breath of fresh air. It's like, oh, finally.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 8: It's not this stuck-up-your-ass sci-fi. It's just fun. It's just fun.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 8: And again, one of the things that's always amazed me
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 8: about Star Wars, which probably goes into dislike of Star Trek,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 8: is Star Wars made... you feel that there is a
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: huge universe out there. Like there are parts, the weirdness
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: and strange things that you've never even seen. And it
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 8: even try. It's just like, we have a cantina with
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: a bunch of shit and we're going to let you
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 8: extrapolate from that. Whereas Star Trek.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 7: We don't address it at all.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: Unless you're a robot and you're not allowed in.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: Right. Right.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 8: Well, but did, Did R2 forget that he had those
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 8: jets that he could have just flown down the stairs?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Loopholes, loopholes. That is what I've been saying. There's so
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: many moments in Empire Strikes Back when he could have
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: used his jets. He could have used his jets.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 7: But they were damaged and then he wasn't owned by
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: a queen anymore. The rebellion's poor. They can't afford to
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: put new jets in him.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny? This was a Disney movie and
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Back when Star Wars came out and everyone was like, oh, shit,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: we need to make sci-fi movies. They made The Black Hole.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 8: Which is an awesome movie. Are you knocking on the
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 8: black hole?
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 7: See, again, I've heard you're on the previous. Are we
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 7: saying the show is officially dead?
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 7: It's still thinking about coming back?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: We've actually had a couple. We do it maybe every
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: month or so.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 7: On your show, you had some negative things to say
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 7: about The Black Hole. And I was listening going, why
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: am I not on this episode? So I can be
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 7: the lone defender. Because you don't do Skype. Who the
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: hell would do that?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying it's great.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: Remember how I said I just saw Logan's run last year?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: I just saw the black hole.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 8: I just saw it like a year ago, too, and
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 8: I still think it's a fantastic movie.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, I totally can see the fun and the flaws
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: in it. But it's like if they made it. What
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: was it, 79 when they made it?
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 8: Something like that.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: It's like they totally missed the fun thing out of
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: Star Wars. And they were just thinking, oh, it's in
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: space with lasers. Kids will love it. We'll sell toys.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: They totally missed it.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 7: Maximilian is the coolest freaking robot in the universe.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 8: We're going to have an insane spaceship captain that zombifies
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 8: and robifies his crew. Kids will love it.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: And ends up in hell?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 8: A giant killer red robot with a hell motif.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 7: I love Maximilian so much.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: The sexy lady will be 40 years old.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 9: The kids love.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: The milk scene.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 8: The theme song to that movie is fantastic.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: Don't get me wrong.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 8: Does it compare to Star Wars? No, but I think
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 8: it is a Logan's Run caliber sci-fi.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: It's funny. It's like Logan's Run came before Star Wars.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Black Hole came after. Black Hole took a lot of,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: you know, like, okay, we need orchestra music. You know,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: if you listen to Logan's Run, it's a lot of
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: that cheesy synth stuff that I think turned off people
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: to sci-fi movies, but you get this orchestra, and it
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: feels real, and it feels important. By the way, one
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: thing Logan's Run has going for it that Star Wars doesn't.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 8: Jennifer Agutter.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Amazing boobs. Amazing boobs.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 8: Jennifer Agutter.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: No reason to show them, but they did anyway.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: It was great. Again, you saw.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: She plays a nun now on Call the Midwife.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 8: She was also in... Every.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Time I see her in her nun suit, I'm like,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: I've seen her naked.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 8: As a sexy nurse?
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: I've seen her boobs.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 8: And they're nice.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 7: But, I mean... It's not just like, I mean, you
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: want to heap the criticism on Black Hole, but think
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: how many other knockoff Star Wars movies came after that.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 8: So if we say that Black Hole came out in 79,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 8: Alien came out in 79, which was one of the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 8: movies that probably destroyed my childhood.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 7: That's what did it.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 8: Because as a seven-year-old, I should have not seen the
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 8: movie Alien.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 7: But it's awesome.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: Did any movie that came out After Star Wars, it
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: was trying to be like Star Wars.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 9: Did any movie actually capture that?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Magic in a Bottle? I don't think they do.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 7: For us personally or for the world as a whole?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Well, for me personally, I think the one that came
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: closest to it was a TV show. It was Battlestar Galactica.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: Other than that, I can't think of a movie. Well, yeah.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: That came right after Star Wars.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't watch a ton of it originally.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: But that kind of... I mean, it was a cheesy
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: Glenn A. Larson TV show, but it kind of had
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: the fun at times of it.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 8: Wrath of Khan.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: That was the one I was leaning towards. I was like,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 7: that's the one that got the technology right and told
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 7: a good story.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Good point.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 8: And got the world it was in right.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 8: You know, the first Star Trek, eh.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: That's a total thing. Like the first... Star Trek, I think,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: fell into the black hole trap where they're like, hey,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: they just want to see spaceships. And as long as
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: it's spaceships in space, the people will love it.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 7: It was more of the 2001 traffic.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: It's so slow. That truth.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 7: So slow.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 8: Well, and again, that was, you know, a lot of
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 8: the original Star Trek episodes were written by, like, sci-fi writers. So,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 8: I mean, a lot of it was trying to tell this.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 7: Really important, you know, story. They're slow-paced and telling us
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 7: Like a social, you know, kind of metaphor.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 8: And so the whole V'ger technology thing just didn't work.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: What a lot of people don't realize about the original
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: Star Trek, there were amazing episodes. But for every amazing episode,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: there was like five crap episodes.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 7: They had to fill in the whole season. Oh, my God.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, and again, that's the 70s were a
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 8: weird time.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: It was the 60s, actually.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 8: And so, again, to me, if you do 10 things
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 8: and one of them is knocked out of the park,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 8: I'll take the other nine and be, eh, nine bad ones,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: but one great one that's awesome. So I can look
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 8: over some of them. some of the cheesier ones, like
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 8: the Space Hippies.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 8: You know, because then you got the original Wrath of,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 8: you know.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 7: Khan, Demon Seed.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: Who I learned was not Jerry Reed. I thought for
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: years that the Space Hippie.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 9: Was Jerry Reed.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: I swore that was Jerry Reed, and it wasn't. It
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: was the cowboy from the Blues Brothers. So, yeah.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 7: Thank God we've gotten to the bottom of that one.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 8: But I would say that the other one to really
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 8: kind of capture at least a sci-fi thing, I would
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 8: say Raiders of the Lost Ark also captured the pulp.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 7: That got the fun. The serial adventure thing.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: And it was Harrison Ford.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 7: And there's weird paranormal things going on in.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: All of those. There were some crap Raiders of the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Lost Ark knockoffs.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 7: Oh, a lot of them.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 8: King Solomon's Mines?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 8: With a very young Sharon Stone?
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 7: I couldn't stand that Alan Quartermain dude. I don't know
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: that I dislike Chamberlain. I don't know what it was.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 7: Maybe it was just because I knew that wasn't Harrison Ford,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 7: and it just pissed me off so much.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: Wasn't Tom Selleck supposed to be Indiana Jones?
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 7: He was supposed to be Indiana Jones. I believe he
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 7: turned it down.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: I thought it was because he couldn't get out of
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: his TV contract.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: That might be it, too.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 8: Well, that's a whole other thing. Again, when you realize that...
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 8: It's always interesting when I could not view... star wars
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 8: starring anyone other than yeah who who they were.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 7: But you know look at those but but if you
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 7: look at.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 8: The casting i mean kerr russell tried out for it
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 8: you know and i'm like.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: Some of them i look at and i'm like william
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 7: katt that might have been a luke yeah i can
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 7: kind of see that.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: But but it's it's so ingrained in my head now
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 8: that yeah these are the people that that will forever
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 8: hold those roles. And so I don't want to see
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 8: the casting calls of things. I don't want to see
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 8: who could have been in them because it doesn't work.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 7: It's interesting.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: It's one of those, I can see them trying, again,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 7: I can see Kurt Russell getting cast at that time
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 7: as Han Solo. I can't see like many other people,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 7: but on that one, I'm like, that's not far off.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 7: I can't imagine it without Harrison Ford, but I'm like,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: it's not a bad call really for, especially at that
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 7: time for him. Like that's, that's not bad. So I
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 7: don't know. It is interesting, but with all of that
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: stuff that we just sort of lucked into everything falling
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 7: into place. Same thing like, and it comes back in
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 7: this one, adding the John Williams music. It was not
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 7: supposed to have that originally.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 9: Really?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 7: Talk about gravitas. It just brings it up.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know that that was even a question.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure they originally were going to do Space
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: Synth-y like everything else at that time. Oh, I thought
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 7: you meant Episode 7. No, no, I'm talking about the
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 7: original one. But I was saying it comes back because
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: I was realizing sitting there watching 7 today that I'm like, God,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 7: this makes this so much better. As much as I'm
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 7: loving this, and again, it's so much nostalgia at this point.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 7: Hearing that sting come in right when the ship flies,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: and I'm like, fuck. It's so perfect, and it's so
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 7: much nostalgia for me. But I'm like, it's also just
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 7: because it was so good that first time.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: You know what kind of threw me off at first?
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: It didn't have the 20... First Century Fox drum intro.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: Yes, it's not.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, I miss that.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 8: I was thinking about that, too.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: I miss that so much because you hear those drums
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: and you're like, shit's about to happen. I love it.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: It's coming.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 7: It's coming.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: And it just kind of just started.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, you can put it on your phone and
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: sneak it in and put your earbuds in and just
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 7: start it before.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: I wonder if some... Because you know how guys on
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: the internet, they'll recut Phantom Menace.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 7: Oh, I'm sure this one will have them.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sure someone's going to recut it with that in
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: the beginning.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: And have six other weird... Parallel cuts going on.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 8: Well, and so, if I remember correctly, Lucas had to
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 8: pay a lot of money to not have opening credits.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: He was kicked out of the guild, too, wasn't he?
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was one of those, like, you had to
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 7: have it that way.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 8: But how much does that change your experience? There's no
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 8: slow build. There's no big.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 8: Long starring so-and-so and this and that. And then the crawl.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, think when you watch old, old movies. That's
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 7: also when they put most of the credits in the beginning. Like,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 7: you watch those movies in the 50s and 60s. It's
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 7: like five and a half minutes of starring this and
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 7: the best boy. How many people? It was all at
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: the beginning.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: How many people came in late to that movie when
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: they first saw it because they thought, ah, I can
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: go to the bathroom and get some popcorn.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 7: I got 15 minutes. I'm getting some raisinets. I'll see
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 7: you kids later.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: And then they get in.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 8: What's Wait a minute, what are these droids doing on
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 8: this desert planet? You know, having missed the whole... They
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 8: keep talking about this Darth guy.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 7: Who is he?
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: But, the way... In the prequels, I hated 3PO in
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: the prequels so much.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 7: Well, it's not his fault.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: And yet, in this, when he pops up in between
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: Han and Leia, I was laughing so hard.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: That was.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 8: That was about the exact amount of C-3PO you want.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: In a movie. That took me back to Empire Strikes
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Back in the Falcon.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 7: In the original, because as a kid, I was just,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 7: I don't know. He was just dorky, and he was like, whatever.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 7: It's one of those when I revisited it, probably when
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 7: we were standing around watching it 40 times a day,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 7: I came to love 3PO so much because... He's got
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 7: such great lines, but they're subtle. It's not the stupid
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 7: stuff in the prequels where he's kicking his head around
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 7: or whatever.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 8: He and R2 were basically low on hearty.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and we're meant to be.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: And it just did not work in the prequels.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 8: And that's the thing that is so glaring about the
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 8: prequels is we know Lucas knows or knew how to
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 8: inject humor into something, but he just went like... dumb
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 8: with it.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 7: I don't know how much he did. It was one
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 7: of those, I wonder how much, again, back in the beginning.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 8: Someone injected the right amount of humor in the first two.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 7: Back in the beginning when he had so many other
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 7: people helping him and had so many people going, I
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 7: don't know if that's a good idea, George. And when
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 7: you get to the prequels, nobody tells him that because
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 7: he's a billionaire.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: A lot of it is also like, you get someone
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: like Harrison Ford doing the lines. It's going to be funny.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: It's just going to be funny.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 8: Well, it's... I mean, he basically gave us two of
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 8: the greatest improvised scenes in all of movies that I know.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 8: And the pulling out the gun and shooting the sword guy.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 8: I mean, those are.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 7: He's got good instincts.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: And, oh, but that to the three, like we were
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: talking about how they don't explain things.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 8: Oh, the red arm?
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: And it's going to be for spinoff media. I love
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: how 3PO immediately called attention to, you probably didn't recognize
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: me because of my red arm. Funny story there. And
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: then he doesn't, he doesn't get to say the story.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: He just kind of goes off to the side.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 7: That was my favorite. He probably didn't recognize me.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: Because I have this red arm.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 7: If anybody knows what you look and sound like, 3PO,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 7: it's Han Solo.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: But it's like, 3PO has this amazing story, apparently, about
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: why he has to have a red arm, and he
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: didn't get to tell it in his vlog.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 8: Does anyone know what it is? Because I don't.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 7: He's not very good at telling stories, so it's okay.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: It's probably explained in some book or some comic somewhere. Oh,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: I know it is, but I'm just curious. I don't know.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: But that's what I like. I like how they called
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: attention to it. Look, I have a red arm, but
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: we're going to tell you.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 8: I would actually rather there is no story behind it.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I like that. It is a noodle incident. It
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: was like the leg.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: It was your severed limb. You just got it back on.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: No? No?
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 7: It was like the leg in Star Wars. It was
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 7: years before I went, wait, that is a really totally
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: different color. Why is that? Yeah. And they don't... I
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 7: think later they tried to retcon some nonsense story in
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 7: or something, but like.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: I just took it as they ran out of old
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: shin guards.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 7: They probably didn't.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: Have any more.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 7: Oh, actually, wasn't it?
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's some sort of weird.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: It's like something happens to your car and you go
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: to the junkyard.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: There's some sort of weird side universe story where it
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 7: was a bomb. His leg was a bomb. That's what
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 7: we're thinking. Don't you think this didn't end up in
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 7: the movie? And they had to take it off, and
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 7: it blew up, and then they couldn't replace it with
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 7: that limited edition version of the rest of him, and
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 7: so he ended up with this silver-looking leg. But again,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 7: I was more like, no, probably in London they couldn't
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 7: find another piece that was the right color, and they
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 7: were like.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: Screw it.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 8: Like, Mace Harder was closed the day.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 7: They needed to go and spray paint.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: It's the same reason why they were talking about how
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: on the Y-Wing fighters... those engine pods are supposed to
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: have covers on them but they were thinking like this
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: is a rebel band you know they're always in the
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: thick of it they're probably like i ain't got time
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: to put on the damn covers every time i'm just
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: gonna leave them off you know i.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 7: Ain't got time to replace my hubcaps yeah got a
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: space battle to fight.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: Oh that's great yeah have you seen the clone wars cartoon.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: Bits and pieces.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 8: It gets good.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's great.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I've heard the movie's not good. Skip the movie
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 7: and go to a series. Right, exactly.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: But there's a couple of episodes where they have a
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: squadron of pristine Y-Wing fighters right off of the line.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: The interpods are covered and they're all smooth and awesome.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: I love that little touch because, you know, by the
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: time it gets to.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 7: By the time they beat the hell out of them
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 7: in the rebellion.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 8: When you talk about female characters... when the Clone Wars started,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 8: they introduced basically Anakin's sidekick, Padme.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 8: Or I'm not, not Padawan. Ahsoka.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 8: And her arc is fantastic. Like if you can get
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 8: through the first season of it and the later ones,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 8: her arc is fantastic. And I think she showed up
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 8: on Rebels, didn't she?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 8: And that, that, that character is great.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: The really interesting thing about Clone Wars is it, It
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: actually shows Anakin's journey into darkness so much better than
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: the movies do. If you watch it, the first couple
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: of seasons, it's like the episodes aren't in chronological order.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: They kind of just kind of happen like Like, episode
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: 15 technically happened before episode 5, and I really don't
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: know why they did it that way, but starting around
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: the third season, they start to go in order, you know?
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: Well, they started to have more of an arc to, you.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Know.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: It really was good.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 8: I'm not sure I like the extra... Seven episodes they
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 8: tacked on the end with Yoda and learning the Force
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 8: ghost stuff.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a little weird.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 7: Which didn't come into play in Seven.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: So I'm wondering, are they just going to totally drop
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 7: that now?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, here's a fun fact. I just read this today
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: because I was on this internet blackout for weeks.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 7: So today you were like, finally!
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: Today I was reading stuff. When Rey had her flashback
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: when she touched the lightsaber, apparently... there was dialogue from,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: from Yoda. Frank Oz came in and recorded some lines.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: There was dialogue from Ewan McGregor actually came in, did
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: a couple of lines and they got a clip of
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: Alec Guinness saying something too. And that's all in that
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: little flash flashback scene.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 8: So that's not the dialogue's not there.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: It isn't it.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 7: Oh, it is.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: It's probably all processed and you can't really hear it,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: but apparently that's, that's all in there. And so the,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: what they're thinking is they may do more of these
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: flashback type things in the future and in future movies.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, and they'll, they may get into more of
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff that way, you know, and.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 7: Cause we don't really have that in the original trilogy.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 7: There aren't really flashbacks.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 8: Speaking of human Gregor. Um, so he was the only
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 8: person in each of the first three prequels.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: Sorry, what?
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 8: He was one of the few characters in each of
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: the first three prequels.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Natalie Amidala.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, but Ewan McGregor was.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 8: Wedge and Tilly's was also one of the few characters
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 8: in four or five and six.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 8: Who also survived.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: Who's had a great career.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: Well, he is Ewan McGregor's uncle.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 8: Which, how cool as a kid would it be to
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 8: have an uncle who's in all three Star Wars movies?
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, you've got to be like the cool fucking uncle.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 7: Except it was Wedge.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 8: Uncle Wedge, he was in all three of the Star
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 8: Wars movies.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, he was riding on Luke's coattails.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 7: See, I like that we... Because I remember we always
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 7: made fun of him. Because I've heard so many other
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 7: people that were like, Wedge Antilles, hero of the rebellion.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 7: And again, Rogue Squadron, he's got this whole weird spinoff thing.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: And people like.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 8: Which they're turning into a movie, by the way.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I'm like, fans get so into him as a character.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: And I was like, I remember as I described him, Wedge,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 7: the master of the dorky side of the force.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: I love that scene in Empire Strikes Back on Hoth
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: when Luke's getting in his X-Wing. And there's Wedge walking by. Hey, Luke,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: see you at the rendezvous because you and I are pals,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: you know? We were the only two survivors of that
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: Death Star. We bloated up together.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: You and me, Luke, right?
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 9: Hey, guys, look.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: Luke and me are talking.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: Anyway, Doc, like I was saying.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Luke's like, yeah, yeah, Wedge.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 7: Thank God I got a good co-pilot.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Don't go where Wedge is going. Go to, I don't know.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 8: Was Wedge the guy in the back of the speeder
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 8: with him?
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 8: I'd like to think that Wedge is always trying to
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 8: get in the plane with Luke because Luke's going to live.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 7: He really should if he knows what's good for him.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: I want to be his co-pilot.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: He probably told Zack, Zack, if you can try to
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: get in with Luke because he'll probably live. You know, like, oh.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: Jack, just don't get killed. All right. Is there anything
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: else you need to tell people?
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 8: I need to see it again.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think that's our takeaway. We need to
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: go watch it 700 more times.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: Kind of an afterglow one, yeah.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 7: I can't... Yeah. We've found our little nitpicks, but I can't... Yeah,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: I can't.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I was telling you before we did this?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: You know, this movie had so much to live up
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: to because it wasn't supposed to be just a great movie.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: For a lot of people, they wanted to see a religious...
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: They wanted to have a religious experience. They didn't want
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: to have a movie.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: They.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: some people have taken this whole mythical universe so seriously
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: in their life that if it was going to be
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: anything less than spectacular, they were, we may have had a.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 7: Couple of suicides reported. Or I was waiting for an uprising.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 7: And so it's like.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: In a weird way, what kind of pressure are you
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: under to, you're not supposed to make a movie. You're
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: supposed to make a religious experience for somebody. And they, I,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: I feel converted. I don't know.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, you can check that on the box now, right?
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, which is it the government forms or which one?
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 7: Some of them now have that as an option now.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: In Britain.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: You can do that.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 8: I want to sort of feel bad for, um, I
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 8: sort of feel bad for kids these days to some
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 8: extent because we're, and don't get me wrong, we just
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 8: nitpicked a bunch of insignificant stuff. Um, but I think
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 8: the takeaway has been, it's a great Star Wars movie.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Um, That's all I wanted.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 8: Back in the 70s, there was just.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 8: You had your opinion of the movie, and that's you
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 8: and your friends, and that's all that mattered.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: You and your kids at the lunch table would argue,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: and that was it.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 8: You know, the internet in the 70s. And now you've
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 8: got this interesting thing of not only do you have
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 8: everyone else telling you what you should think about it,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 8: but then there's almost always the immediate pushback of, well,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 8: everyone likes this movie... That movie sucked because it's cool
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 8: to be negative and anti-whatever the mass opinion is.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure there was sort of a fallback. Again,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 7: in the second wave there, it had that push of
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 7: the prequels came out, all the old geeks hated it,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: so then, number one, kids didn't care. Again, recently working
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 7: in a video store, kids would walk in and get,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: I want episode three and episode five. They would just
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: get whatever. They were all Star Wars movies. They all
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 7: came out of the same bunch. They all meant the
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 7: same thing to them. They did not have the weird
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 7: little hang-ups that we did. They just grew up with
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 7: all of them existing, and they like Star Wars.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: Well, and that's what was interesting about when she said
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 8: she had a 3, 4, or 4, 5, and 6
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 8: on VCR. I'm like, so you got to watch 4, 5,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 8: and 6... together. I watched four and then had to
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 8: wait four years for five and then had to wait
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 8: another four years for six.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: Kids got it easy these days.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 7: It was only like three. Come on.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 8: It's interesting. We live in a culture of binge consuming.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 8: I don't like to watch episodic content once a week.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 8: If I can wait to the end and watch it
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 8: all at the same time in chunks, I'd rather watch
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 8: it like that. Nothing sucked more than reading the first
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 8: four Harry Potter books and then having to wait four
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 8: years for the fifth one to come out. It's the
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 8: same thing with the Game of Thrones. It affects the
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 8: way that you sort of interpret things and appreciate them
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 8: to be able to see, wait a week or see
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 8: them all at once because you can catch threads that
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 8: you forget from week to week.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 8: And so, you know, even if I do watch something
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 8: week to week, I will then, once I can get
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 8: it all together, I will watch it all. You know,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 8: like Venture Brothers, I would watch it every week, but
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 8: then once it came out in DVD, I'd watch it all.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 8: And nitpicks I had watching it week to week didn't
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 8: exist when I watched it. all together like season four
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 8: with man I hated Sergeant Hatred as their block replacement
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 8: and I thought he is annoying but actually watching it
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 8: back to back he's actually not that annoying but each
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 8: week I had a week to sit there and stew
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 8: about the episode and come up with fanciful reasons why
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 8: I didn't like it or nitpicks that you don't get
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 8: when you get to watch it all together.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 7: See I think it depends I think and again I
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 7: think that's almost why we need a whole new setting
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 7: like I've said recently I'm like there's some things that
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 7: are meant to be week to week there's some television
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 7: shows that I think work better episode to episode and
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 7: probably waiting time in between sometimes because you see the
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 7: flaws or the similarities when you watch the episode one
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 7: right after the other you're like this is the same
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 7: damn show every week whereas if it's a bigger story
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: like things that are coming out on Netflix like I
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 7: keep praising Jessica Jones lately but I'm like if you're
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 7: watching something that is one big 10 hour story that's
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: a different thing like that is okay to watch in
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 7: one big run but if it's something that is sort
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 7: of a summed up self-contained little story every week Sometimes
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 7: that may, again, they couldn't have conceived a way to
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 7: watch it any other way. So they weren't meant to be. Again,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 7: when we like marathon through a show from the 50s,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 7: I was like, that isn't even how we were supposed
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: to watch it the way they created it.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: Which show from the 50s are you binge watching?
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 5: I Love Lucy.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 7: That's not true.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 9: But I would.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: I love I Love Lucy.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: Which shows are there? You got Milton Berle on DVD.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 7: That man, he knew his comedy.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: Giant penis.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 8: That's all I know about him. A complete aside. I
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 8: read an article that talked about how it's cool to
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 8: say that TV shows are getting dumber and dumber and
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 8: making people stupid. And it's completely not true. Because if
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 8: you look at TV shows from the 50s, the plot
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 8: you started with was the plot you ended with. And
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 8: then they would have maybe a little bit at the
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 8: beginning of A plot, nothing but B plot, and then
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 8: come back to A plot at the very end. And nowadays,
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, you watch a TV show, you've got to
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 8: keep track of characters from previous seasons and arcs from
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 8: previous stuff, and it is now much more complex to
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 8: consume the media that we consume than it ever used
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 8: to be.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 7: I think it's hit and miss. I think there are.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 8: I think the good shows.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 7: I think it's both sides. There are huge peaks of
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 7: some of the best television that's ever been made right now,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 7: and some of the worst television ever existed.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, you don't need to keep track of a
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 8: lot of things to watch Survivor, but.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, it's tons of reality. It's tons of bad,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 7: sensationalized bullshit, entertainment-y shows. Like, there's stuff that's on television
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 7: that doesn't qualify as good television. Or even television sometimes.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 7: It's just a thing that happens to fill some time
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 7: because we have way too many channels that run 24
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 7: hours a day. So I think it's both. I think
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 7: there is a huge amount of stuff and the bulk
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 7: of that is probably still crap or just reruns of
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 7: old stuff we've got. But there are some amazing new
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 7: shows coming out. And some of it's like on even
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 7: network brings some pretty good stuff if you watch for
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 7: the right things. You have to find them, but I
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 7: don't know. It's just such a new world with all
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  Speaker 7: of the new options now that I'm wondering where do
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  Speaker 7: we go from here? Can they continue to do that,
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  Speaker 7: or is it all going to have to change with
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  Speaker 7: these new systems that are employed?
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  Speaker 2: As long as I don't have to read a book,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be fine.
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  Speaker 7: There we go. That's the moral of this story. Watch movies.
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  Speaker 7: Show me it. Go watch a series-based television show.
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  Speaker 2: I've actually gotten really into audio drama lately.
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  Speaker 7: As long as you can download them like a podcast.
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  Speaker 7: Speaking of which, we should wrap this one up. We've
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  Speaker 7: been going on.
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  Speaker 2: A little long here. We could have watched the movie
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  Speaker 2: again in the time we took talking about it.
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  Speaker 4: Holy crap.
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  Speaker 7: With that, I think we should wrap it up. Thank
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  Speaker 7: you for coming along on this epic Star Wars. Like
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  Speaker 7: I said, one simple episode was not going to even
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  Speaker 7: start to cover it. I was right. Here we are.
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  Speaker 7: So thank you for coming on this epic Star Wars journey. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 7: that about does it. We will return. Next time, same
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  Speaker 7: geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 2: I should be happy about Star Wars.
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  Speaker 11: But just like blue milk, I feel blue.
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  Speaker 12: Because what if it's a mess? I can't help but
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  Speaker 12: obsess about all the horrible crap they could do. They
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  Speaker 12: could give life savers to Ewoks, make Boba Fett have
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  Speaker 12: a talking dog friend, Product placement would be sad, plot
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  Speaker 12: twist Lucas' own dad, And everyone high fives in the end, yeah!
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  Speaker 12: They could shave all of the Wookiees, and dress them
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  Speaker 12: up in business suits, athbar.
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  Speaker 6: Says it's a wrap and then he.
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  Speaker 12: Starts to rap and han said the cat sprays when
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  Speaker 12: he chews oh did i do that oh i've been
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  Speaker 12: burned so many times before green lantern prometheus two girls
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  Speaker 12: one cup but star wars.
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  Speaker 11: Is the one that i most adore please jj don't.
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  Speaker 7: This up.
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  Speaker 12: I don't know what's real anymore. Star Wars has become
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  Speaker 12: my sad fixation. Mom wanted me to be a surgeon.
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  Speaker 11: I'm 26 and still a comic collector. But never mind,
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  Speaker 11: these movies could be awesome! A million force ghosts going
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  Speaker 11: on a killing spree!
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  Speaker 4: Giant space worms everywhere!
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  Speaker 12: Chewie's grown back all his hair!
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  Speaker 4: I'll camp out for a whole year just to see!
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  Speaker 12: Star Wars Episode VII shot in IMAX and 3D and
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  Speaker 12: starring me as Luke Skywalker's favorite son who gets the
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  Speaker 12: best stuff like lightsabers made of gold!
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  Speaker 11: And finally has sex!
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