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Mega Edition: Chad Daybell Trial (Part 19-20) (10/23/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. This episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're getting right back to the Chad Daybell trial, and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to see what went down during day number
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  Speaker 1: 19 of testimony. To do that, once again, we're using EastIdahoNews.com,
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  Speaker 1: and the author of this article is Nate Eaton. 8.20 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: We are back in the courtroom, and it's day 19
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  Speaker 1: of Chad Daybell's murder trial. Dr. Garth Warren, the forensic
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  Speaker 1: pathologist who did the autopsies on JJ and Tylee, will
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  Speaker 1: be back on the stand this morning. 8.41 a.m. Chad
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  Speaker 1: Daybell is at his table, wearing a blue dress shirt
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  Speaker 1: and tie. He's seated next to John Pryor. Fremont County
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  Speaker 1: Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake, Deputy Prosecutor Rocky Wixom, Madison County
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  Speaker 1: Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood, and Special Prosecutor Ingrid Beatty are
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  Speaker 1: at the other table. Judge Stephen Boyce is on the bench. 8.44 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warren takes the stand. Wood is questioning him from the lectern.
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  Speaker 1: He begins by asking about Tylee Ryan's remains. Warren says
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  Speaker 1: he received her remains in multiple bags. Two were body
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  Speaker 1: bags that were sealed. There was also a brown paper
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  Speaker 1: bag with multiple bags inside of it. All of the
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  Speaker 1: bags were x-rayed, 28 x-rays in total. They were looking
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  Speaker 1: for projectiles, weapon fragments. They saw multiple bones and a
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  Speaker 1: fair amount of debris, mud, dirt, rocks. 8.46am. It took
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  Speaker 1: about a week to separate all the debris in the mud.
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  Speaker 1: Warren's team were able to find several bones, organs, and
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  Speaker 1: soft tissues. Warren identified the heart, the right and left lung,
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  Speaker 1: a portion of the liver, one of the kidneys, small
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  Speaker 1: fragments of brain tissue, and a few small segments of bowel. 8.47am.
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  Speaker 1: All of the tissues were charred and shriveled. Warren says
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  Speaker 1: there were pieces of her skull and skull fragments, foot bones,
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  Speaker 1: the sternum, hip bones, and other bones were also identified.
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  Speaker 1: They were all blackened and had been burned. And this
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  Speaker 1: is all the same evidence that we saw during the
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow trial. Like I said previously, this is just
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  Speaker 1: a rehash of all of that, basically, except that it's
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  Speaker 1: from the perspective of Chad Daybell this time and what
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  Speaker 1: his involvement was. But the facts about how the kids
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  Speaker 1: were killed and who did it, they remain the same. 8.49 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warren sent... A sample of the skeletal muscle for toxicology testing.
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  Speaker 1: The test came back positive for ibuprofen, caffeine, low levels
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  Speaker 1: of carbon monoxide. There was nothing in her toxicology report
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  Speaker 1: that Warren felt could explain her death. 8.50 a.m. Larry
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  Speaker 1: and Kay Woodcock are not in the courtroom today. 8.53 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Wood moves to admit photos taken during JJ's autopsy. 8.54 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The photos are being shown to the jurors, Daybell, and prosecution.
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  Speaker 1: We will not see them on the live stream or
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  Speaker 1: in the gallery of the courtroom. 8.56 a.m. Warren describes
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  Speaker 1: the first photo. It shows how J.J. was received at
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  Speaker 1: the coroner's office. He is in a body bag and
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  Speaker 1: there is a red seal indicating the case number. The
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  Speaker 1: next picture is a close-up photo of the seal body
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  Speaker 1: lock number 506559 after it had been cut out and removed. 8.58 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next photo shows J.J. enclosed in the black body bag.
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  Speaker 1: He is wrapped in a black tarp with multiple strips
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  Speaker 1: of duct tape. The next image shows what it looks
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  Speaker 1: like after they open the black tarp. This was the
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  Speaker 1: first time I actually saw J.J. 's body, Warren says.
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  Speaker 1: Near the top of the head, you can see a
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  Speaker 1: white plastic bag that is covering his head, and then
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  Speaker 1: his face is wrapped with duct tape all the way
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  Speaker 1: from his eyes to his neck. You can also see
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  Speaker 1: his forearms, wrists, and hands are bound with duct tape.
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  Speaker 1: A blue and white blanket was resting on J.J., and
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  Speaker 1: he was wearing a red pajama top and bottom. The
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  Speaker 1: only part of the skin is the upper arms. They
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  Speaker 1: show evidence of decomposition in the form of green, tan,
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  Speaker 1: leathery appearance with skin slippage. 9 a.m. Several jurors look
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  Speaker 1: at the screens in front of them. I notice one
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  Speaker 1: juror glances at the screen in front of him quickly
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  Speaker 1: and then looks up. He's not spending a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time looking at the photos. I don't blame him. Doesn't
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  Speaker 1: take much, right? One look at that and that's probably
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  Speaker 1: all you need. 9.01 a.m. The next photo is a
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  Speaker 1: close-up of the lower half of the body. JJ's ankles
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  Speaker 1: are bound with duct tape he has on black socks.
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  Speaker 1: The following photo shows the blanket and pajama top. Warren
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  Speaker 1: says the pajama top is soaked with decomposition fluid and
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  Speaker 1: there is a mold on the t-shirt. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of dirt and debris on the duct tape around his face. 9.02 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next photo shows the hands duct taped together. Pictures
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  Speaker 1: are taken at multiple angles to make sure everything is captured,
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  Speaker 1: Warren says. He describes the following photo that shows the
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  Speaker 1: pajama pants that are soaked in decomposition fluid with a
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  Speaker 1: moldy substance right near the knee. 9.04 a.m. Another photo
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  Speaker 1: is shown of the ankles bound with duct tape. Warren
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  Speaker 1: says one single cut was made along the side of
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  Speaker 1: the face to remove the duct tape. A portion of
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  Speaker 1: JJ's face is shown in this photo. A strip of
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  Speaker 1: duct tape covers his mouth from jawline to jawline. 9.05 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next photo shows the strip of duct tape that
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  Speaker 1: was covering JJ's mouth. Another photo shows the tape after
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  Speaker 1: it was removed from JJ's mouth. Warren says all the
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  Speaker 1: duct tape was sealed and submitted to law enforcement. The
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  Speaker 1: next photo shows JJ's forearms, wrists, and hands bound with
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  Speaker 1: multiple layers of duct tape. 9.07 a.m. A single cut
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  Speaker 1: was made along the tape on the wrists. Warren and
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  Speaker 1: his team found additional duct tape around JJ's wrists. One juror,
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  Speaker 1: a young woman, appears to be crying. She's wiping her
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  Speaker 1: nose and eyes with the tissue. I can't blame the lady.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine sitting through all of this evidence actually in the
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  Speaker 1: courtroom and getting a look at all these pictures. It's
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  Speaker 1: bad enough we get the explanation. But these folks are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, forced to look at these pictures to try
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  Speaker 1: and render a decision about Chad Daybell's fate. 9.09 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warren describes more photos showing duct tape around JJ's wrists,
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  Speaker 1: body decomposition, etc. Another juror, a woman on the back row,
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  Speaker 1: is wiping her eyes and is visibly upset. She's biting
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  Speaker 1: her lips and appears to be fighting back tears. 9.11 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next image shows the disposable diaper JJ was wearing. 9.12 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next photo shows JJ's face. After all, tape and
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  Speaker 1: everything had been removed. Another juror on the front row
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  Speaker 1: is crying and has her head down. She reaches for
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  Speaker 1: a tissue and is holding it over her face. 9.14 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warren continues to describe the photos of JJ's body. His
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  Speaker 1: skin is green, tan, brown. and there is a skin slippage.
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  Speaker 1: A photo is shown of JJ's back and neck that
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  Speaker 1: shows decomposition changes. And if you're wondering where my hatred
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  Speaker 1: of Chad Daybell comes from, look no further. The way
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  Speaker 1: that these children were treated, what happened to these kids, helicopters, volcanoes,
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  Speaker 1: for everybody involved. 9.16am. Chad Daybell sits stone-faced and shakes
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  Speaker 1: his head no, as some of these photographs are displayed.
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  Speaker 1: He can see them on the monitor at his table. 9.17 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warren was looking for any sign of trauma that would
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  Speaker 1: have helped explain how JJ died. There was bruising on
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  Speaker 1: his right upper arm. Warren took sections of the area
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  Speaker 1: and looked at them under the microscope. There was hemorrhage
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  Speaker 1: in the body tissue, meaning it was true bruising. 9.20 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Warren describes the next photo of JJ. He is face
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  Speaker 1: down and it shows an area of concern for bruising
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  Speaker 1: on his upper left arm. Warren made an incision in
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  Speaker 1: that area of the arm to inspect if there was
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  Speaker 1: true bruising. He determined it was. 9.22 a.m. A photo
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  Speaker 1: is shown of JJ's thumb. There was hemorrhage and Warren
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  Speaker 1: says there would have to have been some sort of
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  Speaker 1: impact to cause it. The next photo shows JJ's ankles
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  Speaker 1: and Warren did some testing on the areas that look
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  Speaker 1: like they might have bruising. He did some testing on
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  Speaker 1: the spots and determined there were not bruises. 9.25 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next picture shows JJ's left ear. There were scratch-like abrasions.
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  Speaker 1: There were also scratch-like abrasions on JJ's neck and jaw,
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  Speaker 1: Warren says. 9.26 a.m. Warren says the abrasions could have
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  Speaker 1: been from someone putting the bag over JJ's head or
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  Speaker 1: JJ trying to get the bag off his head. I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't there, I don't know, but these are the possibilities,
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  Speaker 1: he explains. 9.27 a.m. Warren reminds the jury that the
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  Speaker 1: cause of death was asphyxia by plastic bag over the
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  Speaker 1: head and duct tape covering the mouth. How evil must
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  Speaker 1: you be to be involved in any sort of plot
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  Speaker 1: to kill anyone, never mind this poor little baby, and
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  Speaker 1: then to do it the way they did it? Fuck
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  Speaker 1: all of them. In fact, fuck anyone who even looks
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  Speaker 1: like them. 9.30 a.m. Wood moves to admit another set
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  Speaker 1: of photographs that were taken during Tylee's autopsy. 9.31 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce says we're taking a break back in 15 or
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  Speaker 1: 20 minutes. We're just going to keep it rolling. 10.04 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Back in the courtroom. Wood publishes the photos. Again, we
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  Speaker 1: don't see them in the gallery or the live stream,
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  Speaker 1: but the jury will see them. Victims are allowed to
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  Speaker 1: see the photos if they wish, and arrangements can be
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  Speaker 1: made for them to be viewed. 10.05 a.m. Warren describes
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  Speaker 1: the body bags that contain Tylee's remains. They were sealed
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  Speaker 1: with body locks. Warren opened the black body bag. Two
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  Speaker 1: additional brown paper bags were inside. One was not labeled.
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  Speaker 1: The other was labeled with burial site. Within the same
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  Speaker 1: body bag, there were two paper bags containing multiple collections
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  Speaker 1: of soft tissue bone and debris. 10.08 a.m. Warren explains
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  Speaker 1: three distinct large pieces of bone, right pelvis, with attached
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  Speaker 1: portion of the right femur. One is the left pelvis
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  Speaker 1: attached to left femur and the sacrum, a bone at
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  Speaker 1: the end of your lower back that is part of
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  Speaker 1: your pelvis. 10.10am. Warren describes the next photo. It has dirt, mud,
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  Speaker 1: and rocks that are left after all the bone and
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  Speaker 1: body parts were collected. Warren says there's multiple charred bones
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  Speaker 1: and debris in another bag. 10.12am. The next photo shows
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  Speaker 1: the second black body bag, how it has been labeled,
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  Speaker 1: and what was inside. One thing that stood out to
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  Speaker 1: Warren is there was a green plastic material. After it
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  Speaker 1: was pulled out and cleaned, they determined it was a
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  Speaker 1: melted green bucket. The rest of the content contains human remains,
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  Speaker 1: soft tissue, and organs. 10.15 a.m. Two additional bags in
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  Speaker 1: the body bag contained, Warren explained a photo showing the
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  Speaker 1: largest portion of Tylee's skull. He describes parts of the
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  Speaker 1: skull that are charred. There are teeth that have been charred.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Tylee was identified through dental records. comparing her teeth to
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  Speaker 1: previous x-rays when she was alive. 10.17 a.m. The next
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  Speaker 1: photo shows Tylee's heart and lungs. Warren says this isn't
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  Speaker 1: what heart and lungs typically look like. They are charred
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  Speaker 1: and significantly shrunken. Wood points out the lungs and the
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  Speaker 1: heart on the image for Warren to identify. They were
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  Speaker 1: very small. Best estimate is they were probably a quarter
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  Speaker 1: of the size that they typically are, Warren says. 10.19 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next photo shows sections of the heart and lungs
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  Speaker 1: that have been laid out. Warren describes one kidney that
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  Speaker 1: is blackened and some of it is burned away. 10.20 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Skull bones, portions of ribs, the clavicles, multiple long bones
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  Speaker 1: and foot bones were in one of the bags. They
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  Speaker 1: were crumbling, blackened, and not intact. 10.22 a.m. A third
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  Speaker 1: paper bag was labeled remains of suspected female. There were
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  Speaker 1: five additional bags in one large paper bag. Inside each
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  Speaker 1: of the small bags was fragments of charred bone. One
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  Speaker 1: bag was labeled Fire Pit B-69-2020. Inside the bag was
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  Speaker 1: a small crumbly charred bone. 10.24 a.m. The fourth bag
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  Speaker 1: consisted of multiple small charred crumbly bone. The fifth bag
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  Speaker 1: contained soft tissue and charred crumbly bone. 10.25 a.m. After
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  Speaker 1: the autopsy, Warren and his lab collected and cleaned the remains.
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  Speaker 1: All the bones were sent to the FBI for a
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  Speaker 1: detailed forensic anthropology report. Wood asked if the report contributed
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  Speaker 1: to Warren's decision on Tylee's cause of death. Warren says
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  Speaker 1: he took everything into account. Warren says the FBI noted
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  Speaker 1: that there were sharp force markings on the sacrum and
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  Speaker 1: the left and right pelvic bones. Tylee's cause of death
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  Speaker 1: was homicide by unspecific means. 10.27 a.m. To have homicide
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  Speaker 1: by unspecified means, the death has to be very suspicious,
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  Speaker 1: Warren says. Another factor would be the evidence was concealed.
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  Speaker 1: Another factor would be the autopsy not showing an obvious
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  Speaker 1: cause or a better explanation for cause of death. A
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  Speaker 1: third factor is there isn't enough of the body to
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  Speaker 1: do a full examination. 10.30 a.m. Wood has no further questions.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: Boyce has some questions on exhibit numbering. He and Wood
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: are making sure the exhibit letters match the actual exhibits
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  Speaker 1: that are shown to the jury. The prosecution did not
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  Speaker 1: show all the autopsy photos. 10.34 a.m. Defense attorney John
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  Speaker 1: Pryor will now conduct cross-examination. He asked Warren if he
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  Speaker 1: noted there were canine bites on any of Tylee's remains.
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  Speaker 1: Warren says he did not notice any, but left that
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  Speaker 1: up to the anthropologist. 10.36 a.m. Pryor asks Warren if
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  Speaker 1: he can determine when bruises were caused on a body.
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  Speaker 1: Warren says he can get a rough idea based on
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  Speaker 1: the hemorrhaging. 10.38 a.m. Pryor asks Warren how tall Tylee was.
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  Speaker 1: He says he was not able to get her height
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  Speaker 1: based on the remains. Warren doesn't remember how tall she
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  Speaker 1: was based on Tylee's medical records. Pryor asks Warren if
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  Speaker 1: he can determine whether there were animal or human remains
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  Speaker 1: in the fire pit. He says he isn't a forensic anthropologist,
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  Speaker 1: so he can't answer that. 10.40 a.m. The autopsies were
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  Speaker 1: done on June 11, 2020. Pryor asks about the term
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  Speaker 1: heavy lungs. Warren says this is used when there is
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  Speaker 1: pulmonary edema. This happens when there's a lot of fluid
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  Speaker 1: in the lungs. Pryor continues questioning and Wood objects saying
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  Speaker 1: that this is beyond the scope. Boyce sustains the objection. 10.42 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if the remains were significantly smaller than had
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  Speaker 1: Tylee been alive at the time. Warren says... That's a
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  Speaker 1: question for the forensic anthropologist. Warren says it's very uncommon
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  Speaker 1: in a fire-related death. When the organs are charred, they
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  Speaker 1: shrink and lose weight. Pryor has no further questions. 10.44 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Wood follows up by asking about bruises. He asks if
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  Speaker 1: bruising could be considered a form of trauma. Warren says yes.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Wood asks if given the condition of J.J. Vallow, Warren
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  Speaker 1: would be surprised to see bruising on J.J. 's body.
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  Speaker 1: Warren says in a case like this, bruising would be significant. 10.45 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Defense and State call for a sidebar before the next witness. 10.53 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce says there is an exhibit with the next witness
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  Speaker 1: that is an electronic format and it needs to be reviewed.
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  Speaker 1: We are taking a break and we'll be back when
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  Speaker 1: it's ready. 11.14 a.m. Back in the courtroom, jurors are
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  Speaker 1: in their seats. Boyce says courthouse renovations are taking place tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: so the court will dismiss at 2 p.m. Next witness
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  Speaker 1: is Chandler Police Detective Ariel Werther. 11.19 a.m. Lindsay Blake
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  Speaker 1: is questioning Werther. He's assigned to the Robbery Homicide Unit. 11.21 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Werther explains his training, including experience in working with cell
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  Speaker 1: phone evidence. Blake asks what a call detail record is.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Werther says there are records kept by your cell phone company,
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  Speaker 1: voice calls, how long incoming or outgoing text messages, etc.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Law enforcement obtains cell records through a warrant. 11.24 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Werther was working the day Charles Vallow was shot. Werther
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  Speaker 1: wasn't on the robbery homicide team at that point. He
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  Speaker 1: joined a few months later, but he was invited to
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  Speaker 1: go out on the call as a training opportunity. Much
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  Speaker 1: of the time at the scene was observing but not
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  Speaker 1: handling a specific responsibility. 11.25 a.m. Werther looked at cell
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: phone records belonging to Charles Vallow. He inspected records from T-Mobile, Verizon,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: and AT & T. Each provider has their own way
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  Speaker 1: of keeping records. Werther analyzed GPS location data extracted from
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  Speaker 1: Charles' phone. Werther used a data analysis tool to analyze
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  Speaker 1: the records. 11.28 a.m. Werther says the call detail records
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  Speaker 1: will usually indicate the cell tower and sector of the
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: tower used during the call or text. The name of
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: the program Werther used was previously called ZX, but now
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: called TRAX. 11.31 a.m. Werther analyzed phone records from four devices.
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  Speaker 1: He has prepared an exhibit showing his findings. Blake moves
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  Speaker 1: to admit the exhibit. And remember, it's these exhibits that
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: are the most damning for Chad Daybell. They put all
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: of the findings of the experts in a nice little
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  Speaker 1: presentation for the jurors to consume. 11.33 a.m. The exhibit
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  Speaker 1: has around 120 slides and embedded media, Blake says. The
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  Speaker 1: first slide shows the four phone numbers associated to Charles. 11.34 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The first slide shows the Chandler Police Department summary report
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  Speaker 1: of a shooting. The report said shot brother-in-law. The call
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  Speaker 1: was 8.36 a.m. on July 11, 2019. 11.35 a.m. The
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  Speaker 1: first number that was a T-Mobile phone used by Lori Vallow.
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  Speaker 1: No logs of text messages were received from the phone
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  Speaker 1: company on this line. The next slide is a Verizon
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  Speaker 1: phone attributed to Alex Cox. The next slide shows an
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  Speaker 1: AT & T number attributed to Chad Daybell. The phone
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  Speaker 1: attributed to Chad had communication to Lori on July 11th.
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  Speaker 1: 1139 a.m. Werther also looked at locations extracted from Charles' phone.
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  Speaker 1: The data can be produced onto a spreadsheet. 1141 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Werther used different colors on his presentation to indicate which
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  Speaker 1: device was being used or in communication. 1143 a.m. The
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  Speaker 1: next slide shows us the analysis of the cell phone records.
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  Speaker 1: The first slide is a synopsis of the events. the
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  Speaker 1: morning Charles was killed. Another slide. Claims made the morning
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  Speaker 1: of the shooting that could be testable with cell phone
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  Speaker 1: and GPS data. 11.47 a.m. Werther sought instances where the
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: location data could be corroborated, invalidated, or rendered questionable. This
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: was to evaluate the reliability of the data. 11.48 a.m.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Werther put the data into a program. They would lay
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the locations of the cell phone activity on a Google map.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Blake now shows a map animation Werther created that shows
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the general areas that were involved in the analysis. Phoenix
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and Chandler. 11.51 a.m. A new screen shows the distance
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: from the home where Charles was shot to the Burger
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: King where Lori stopped for breakfast. It's 1.69 miles away.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: There is also a measurement to JJ's school. 7.2 miles.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: The 911 call was received at 8.36 a.m. 11.54 a.m.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Laurie went to Burger King, stopped at Walgreens, and took
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: JJ to school the morning Charles was shot. Charles was
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: staying at a true, by Hilton, hotel the night before
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the shooting. 11.56 a.m. We now see a slide showing
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that Laurie's device texted Chad's device at 6.12 a.m. At 7.01 a.m.,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Chad's device texted the Laurie device. At 7.16 a.m., Charles
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Vallow's device was traveling from the Hilton to the area
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: of the Four Peaks home. He arrived. at 7.32 a.m. 11.58 a.m.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: At 7.33 a.m., Charles' device texted Lori's device. Werther does
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: not have the contents of the messages. Until 7.50 a.m.,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the data from Charles' device was around the Four Peaks home.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: It was then in transit for about 46 minutes. before
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the 911 call occurred. Lori had Charles' phone, and police
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: recovered it from her. And this is where they take
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: their lunch break, but we're just going to keep going,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and we're going to complete this all in one episode today. 1.01 p.m.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: We are back. Larry and Kay Woodcock are in the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: courtroom this afternoon. So is Vicki Hoban, Tammy Daybell's aunt.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Rex Conner, Lori Vallow's uncle, is also here with his daughter. 1.03 p.m.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Jurors are back in their seats. Blake will continue questioning Werther. 1.05 p.m.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Werther discusses a slide on the screen that shows where
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the device was at the time an event happened. At 7.52 a.m.,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: there was a voice call between Lori and Alex's phone.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: After the shooting, Alex and Lori communicated via phone, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: this was one of the few calls the two had.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: This was before the 911 call. 1.07 p.m. At around 7.55 a.m.,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Charles' device was at Burger King. You can watch surveillance
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: video of Lori visiting the fast food restaurant here. And
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: like usual, the link is in the description box. 1.09 p.m.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Werther went to Burger King and compared timestamps versus the
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: cell phone data. We see a red Kia Sorento in
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the drive-thru at Burger King that Lori was driving. Lori
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: was at Burger King at 7.54 a.m. 1.12 p.m. We
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: now see a different outside angle of the vehicle leaving
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Burger King. The claim Lori had Charles' phone is supported
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: by the GPS tracking evidence. 1.14 p.m. Werther talks about
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Lori stopped at a drugstore to buy flip-flops. Charles' device
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: arrived at 8.08 a.m. and wasn't there very long. At 8.16 a.m.,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the device was at Walgreens. Werther reminds the jury a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: 911 call has not yet been made to report that
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Charles has been shot. We now see surveillance video of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Lori walking into Walgreens and buying two pairs of sandals.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: She pays cash. 1.16 p.m. Lori leaves Walgreens at 8.20 a.m.,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: The next slide shows Lauren's Life Academy, the school JJ attended.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: The device was at the school at 8.32 a.m. The
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: call from Alex Cox's device was made about 63 minutes
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: after Charles' device first arrived in the Four Peaks area. 1.18 p.m.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Charles' device arrived back at the Four Peaks area around 8.49 a.m.,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: around the time Lori returned to the house. we see
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: an image from police body camera footage showing Kylie and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Lori in flip-flops that were just purchased at Walgreens. And
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: this is where that documentary on Netflix really comes in handy.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I know I've mentioned it before, but if you want
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: more context about what went down with Charles and Alex
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and this situation, that documentary certainly provides it. 1.20 p.m.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Charles Device received an incoming call from Melanie Boudreau at 10.25 a.m.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: The phone was at the police station where Lori was
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: being questioned. Alex missed a call from Summer Shifflett, Lori
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and Alex's sister, while he was at the police station. 1.23 p.m.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: We now see a map showing that Chad's device was
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: in the Salt Lake City area at 12.39 p.m. that day.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: He texted Lori's device, but the contents are not available. 1.24 p.m.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: The computer appears to have frozen. Werther says that's less
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: than ideal. Blake is going to restart the computer. 1.33 p.m.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: The computer is working again. Werther begins to talk. Looks
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: like the computer might not be working again. 1.37 p.m.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: There are technical difficulties with an exhibit, and Blake asks
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to approach. 1.40 p.m. The state is requesting that Werther
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: leave the stand while the technical difficulties are figured out.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Another witness will now be called to the stand. 1.41 p.m.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Tara Martinez is the next witness. She's an Idaho State
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Police forensic scientist. 1.42 p.m. Martinez processes items of evidence
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to compare fingerprints, and she responds to crime scenes. She's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: worked for the State Lab for eight years. 1.44 p.m.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Martinez processes latent prints, prints that are left unintentionally, they
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: normally are not easy to see, and have to be processed.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: She uses different processes to analyze prints. Latent prints are
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: not always left everywhere. 1.45 p.m. Wood is questioning Martinez.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: He asked how she would collect a latent print if
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it's left behind. If the print was on plastic, she
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: would first do a visual examination. She looks for hair,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: other factors. She then uses different colors of light to
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: see if there are prints. Next, she uses superglue fuming,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: similar to what you see on CSI. The superglue attaches
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to any moisture on the items. The glue makes the
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: prints more visible. Next step would be using dye stain
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: followed by powder. 1.48 p.m. If Martinez sees any prints
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: during her processing, she preserves them. She follows Ace V
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: when it comes to prints, analysis, comparison, evaluation, verification. During
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the verification phase, another analyst does the process over again. 1.50 p.m.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Martinez says there's a database of known prints where she
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: pulls cards and compares against the prints she has collected.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Wood asks if she's familiar with the Lori Vallow-Chad Daybell case.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: She is. Martinez' first contact with the case was taking
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: prints at the coroner's office. She took prints from JJ.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: She processed different items submitted in the case and took
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: known prints of Lori and Chad, 1.52 p.m. Martinez collected
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: two samples from Alex Cox. One was a fingerprint card
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of all 10 figures from a federal database. She also
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: got a card from the Gilbert Police Department. Gilbert had
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: his prints from Alex's autopsy. 1.53 p.m. Martinez checked a
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: white drawstring bag with duct tape. She was not able
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to collect any prints from the bag. She then showed
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a collection of a bunch of duct tape. She was
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: able to develop prints. She tested another piece of duct
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: tape from JJ's mouth and was not able to get
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: any prints. She was able to process prints from other
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: pieces of tape or in the green bucket. 1.55 p.m.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Martinez was able to collect some hairs from the item
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: she collected. Woods asked Wood about item 11, black colored
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: plastic and gray duct tape. There are multiple pieces, so
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: she labeled them separate. 11.1 through 11.11 is the tape numbers. 11.12
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: through 11.15, the plastic pieces. 1.59 p.m. Wood admits a
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: PowerPoint put together by Martinez. The first slide shows the
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: black colored plastic that she processed for prints. A yellow
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: indicator shows where the latent print was on the items.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: The next image shows where the print located on the item. 2.01 p.m.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: The next image shows a photo she developed when she
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: collected the print. The following image is an enhanced version
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of the last print. We now see an analysis of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the latent print. The next image is a comparison to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox's fingerprint. 2.03 p.m. The print matched Alex Cox.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: His right little finger. This was on the black plastic
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: where JJ's body was found. So there's no doubt, right?
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Who killed these kids? Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell might
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: have ordered it, but the person who carried it out
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: most certainly was Alex Cox. 2.06 p.m. No other fingerprints
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: were able to be identified on the item she collected.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: She gathered the hairs and saved them for another person,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: as she doesn't do hair analysis. Wood has no further questions. 2.07 p.m.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Martinez if plastic is a good conduit for fingerprints.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: She says yes. It's a very good surface for latent
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: prints because it's non-porous. She was able to find Alec's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: fingerprint and part of his handprint. Pryor asks how many
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: hairs Martinez collected. She doesn't recall how many, but they're
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: in her notes. Boyce allows her to look at her
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: notes as a memory refresher. 2.12 p.m. Martinez looks at
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: her notes and believes around 50 different adhesive notes were
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: used to collect the hairs from the plastic at the scene.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Some of the hairs were found right away. Others were
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: seen after multiple processes. 2.13 p.m. Martinez does not do
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: anything with DNA. Pryor asks if Martinez was asked by
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: law enforcement to compare Prince to anybody else other than
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox, Chad, and Lori. She says no. Pryor has
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: no further questions. The state has no redirect, and Martinez
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: is dismissed from her subpoena. Mid-afternoon recess right now, back
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: in 20. 2.39 p.m. Detective Werther is back on the stand,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and Blake will continue her examination. She pulls up the presentation.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And Boyce says fingers crossed. Where their statement about being
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: less than ideal was in reference to the tech issues. 2.41 p.m.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: The slideshow shows the mapping of the voice call from
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Lori's phone to Chad's phone. It was 1 minute 45 seconds.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: The next slide shows Alex Cox's device was in the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: same area as Charles Vallow's device as 12.57 through 12.59 p.m.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Chad's device texted Lori's device at 1.11 p.m. Charles' device
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: went to Alex's home at 1.26 p.m. 2.44 p.m. Werther
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: shows text going back and forth between Chad and Lori's devices.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Melanie B. called Lori Vallow in a call that lasted
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: five minutes. 2.46 p.m. Lori called Detective Yunklin's desk that afternoon.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yunklin interviewed Lori. Lori's device missed a call from Kobe
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Ryan and called the Valley of the Sun mortuary. That
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: call lasted nine minutes, 39 seconds. There was ongoing text
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: communications between Lori and Chad's devices. 2.48 p.m. At 2.24 p.m.,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Chad's device texted Lori's device. The contents of the text
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: were not preserved. Lori's device then texted Chad's device back. 2.49 p.m.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Werther lays out several slides showing Alex Cox's device calling
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Detective Inklund's desk. Melanie B. 's device called Lori's device.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: And there is other communications between Charles' device, Lori's device,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and Alex's device. 2.52 p.m. Detectives ended up taking possession
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: of Charles' device. It remains with Chandler Police property and evidence. 2.53 p.m.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: At 4.02 p.m., there is a call from Alex's device
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to Lori's device. More texts and calls between Lori's device
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and Chad's device. 2.56 p.m. Chad Daybelt's device called the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Valley of Sun Mortuary at 7.34 p.m. that evening. The
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: call lasted... 7 minutes, 14 seconds. It was the only
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: call from his device that day to someone who was
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: not Lori Vallow. 2.58 p.m. Werther continues to detail the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: text and call activity for the rest of the day.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Several messages between Lori and Chad's devices. 3 p.m. Exhibits over.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Blake has nothing further. Pryor will now cross-examine. 3.01 p.m.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about the history of the phone correspondence between
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori's devices. Werther says he did not look
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: at the history, just focused on that day. Pryor asks
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Werther if he reviewed the call Chad made to the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: funeral home. Werther has not. 3.02 p.m. Pryor asks Werther
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: if he's aware Chad and Lori were engaged in an affair.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Werther says that's what he has been told. Pryor asks
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: if cell tower coverage is the least effective way to
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: obtain data from a cell phone. Werther says he's not sure.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: It's the least effective, but it's not as accurate as
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: GPS data. 3.03 p.m. Pryor points out that Chad was
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: in Utah the day of the texts and calls. Pryor
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: says because of that, there's a possibility Werther's data is
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: not accurate. Pryor suggests phone reception could be poor because
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Chad was in Springville. 3.05 p.m. Pryor asks about the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Burger King video. He says there appeared to be three
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: people in the vehicle. Werther says it's possible and indeed
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: likely that three people were inside the car. 3.06 p.m.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Pryor has no further questions. Blake has some questions on redirect.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: She follows up. On prior suggesting some of the calls
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: may not have gone through due to poor reception, Werther
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: says the calls, with their duration and text with Chad
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and Lori's devices, were noted on his presentation. Blake, nothing further. 3.08 p.m.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Werther is released from his subpoena. Boyce reads a limiting
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: instruction to the jury about the Arizona case involving Charles
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and tells the jury they shouldn't consider it when deliberating. 3.11 p.m.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Wood requests a brief sidebar. and we're going to dismiss
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: for the day. Well, folks, things are not looking good
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: for Chad Daybell, and they just continue to get worse
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: every single time we get together and talk about what
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: went down in the courtroom. And I think it's relatively
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: apparent to anyone who's paying attention and following along what
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the outcome is about to be. But either way, we're
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: going to continue to follow along, and we'll see where
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: it all ends up when the jury renders their verdict.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're gonna
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: get right back to the Chad Daybell trial, and we're
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: gonna pick up with what went down on day number
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: 20 inside of the courtroom. And to do that, once again,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: we're using eastidahonews.com, and the author of this article is
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Nate Eaton. 8.27 a.m., back in the courtroom, prosecutors Lindsey Blake,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Rob Wood, Ingrid Beatty, and Rocky Wixom are at the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: prosecution's table. John Pryor is at the defense. Attorneys are
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: headed back to meet with Judge Boyce. I spotted FBI
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: evidence analyst Benjamin Dean walking into the courtroom this morning. 8.31 a.m.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Larry Woodcock, Vicki Hoban, Tammy Daybell's aunt are in the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: gallery this morning. There are around 25 members of the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: public here. 8.44 a.m. Chad Daybell is walked into the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: courtroom wearing a checkered dress shirt and a yellow tie.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Judge Boyce is on the bench and the jurors are
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: being brought in. 8.47 a.m. First witness today is Catherine Dacey,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a forensic biologist and supervisor with the Idaho State Police.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: She will be questioned by Rob Wood. 8.50 a.m. Dacey
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: explains her experience in training. As part of her job,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: she examines items of evidence and generates DNA profiles from
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the items. M2020-2233 is the case number for J.J. Vallow
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and Tylee Ryan. Dacey received autopsy samples from J.J., tape
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: from around his hands, ankles, mouth, along with the tape
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and plastic from around his head and body. She also
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: received two swabs from an apartment in Rexburg and tools
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and a necklace from the Daybell property. She received samples
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: from J.J. Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell, Melanie Gibb,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: and others. 8.53 a.m. Wood moves to submit a lab
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: report written by Riley Noland Dacey supervisor. The first page
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: shows that molars from Tylee were tested. A reference sample
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: from Lori Vallow and Dennis Trahan, JJ's biological father. There
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: was also a reference profile from JJ Vallow. 8.55 a.m.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Dace explains you get half of your DNA from your
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: mom and half from your dad. She explains that their
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: testing shows Lori is Tylee's biological mom and Dennis is
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: JJ's biological dad. 8.58 a.m. Dace says her lab received
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the tape and plastic wrapped around JJ's body for testing.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: No DNA testing was done on the bag, but testing
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: was done on the tape. When examining the tape, I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: was looking for irregular edges that indicated someone may have
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: torn the tape with their teeth and left behind saliva.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Dacey also swabbed areas of unidentifiable fingerprints. 8.59am. There was
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: blood on all of the tape and plastic. DNA testing
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: was not done. as it was presumed to be JJ's.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: A lot of the tape had small hairs and skin
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: attached to it, and a swab from a knife blade
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: in the Rexburg apartment was negative for blood. There was
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a swab from the wall with a small amount of blood,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: but DNA analysis was not performed. Dacey received 18 tools
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: from a garage barn on Daybell's property, 901 AM. Dacey
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: found areas on handles of the shovels with small amounts
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: of blood. On four of the tools, she found matter
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that could have been human DNA. She photographed the tools
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and tested them. She collected hairs and fiber if she
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: saw them. Some of the tools were quite dirty, so
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: she needed to remove the dirt and the ashes. 9.04 a.m.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Wood moves to admit an exhibit showing photos Daisy took
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: of the tools along with hairs and fibers on tape. 9.07 a.m.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: The first photo is of a shovel. Daisy examined it
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: for blood and swabbed it. She collected some possible human
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: remains from the shovel too. The next picture shows possible
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: charred flesh that Daisy collected and photographed. She ran a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: portion of it for DNA. The next picture is a
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: close-up of what she collected and ran for DNA. She
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: was not able to generate a DNA profile from the material.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And usually when you're looking at a trial like this,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the defense has something tangible to offer. But they haven't
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: had anything tangible to offer throughout this whole thing. and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I doubt they're going to have anything tangible to offer
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: as we make our way forward. And that's because there's
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: nothing there for them to even sink their teeth into.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Just like with Lori Vallow, we saw what her lame-ass
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: defense was, and it's pretty much the same thing here.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Except Chad Daybell's saying that Lori Vallow's the one that's responsible, basically. Oh,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I was just some dumbass who was led around by
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: my ding-ding. That's basically what he's telling us. 9.07am. The
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: first photo is of a shovel. Daisy examined it for
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: blood and swabbed it. She collected some possible human remains
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: from the shovel too. The next picture shows possible charred
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: flesh that Daisy collected and photographed. She ran a portion
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: of it for DNA. The next picture is a close-up
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: of what she collected and ran for DNA. She was
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: not able to generate a DNA profile from the material. 9.09 a.m.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: We now see a photo of another shovel. Daisy tested
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: it for blood and examined the toolhead for blood or
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: human remains. Another photo is material she collected from the shovel.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: The material on the left was very, very small, but
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: there was more on the right that was selected for DNA. 9.10 a.m.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: The next picture is a close-up of what was on
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the right of the shovel. Wood asks for the shovels
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: to be brought out for the jury to see. The
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: bailiff brings the tools to the table in front of
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the jurors. 9.12 a.m. Daisy takes a handheld microphone and
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: approaches the table wearing black rubber gloves. Wood refers to
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a shovel on the table. Daisy points out it was
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: very dirty and she observed a lip on the back
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: edge of the shovel that she believed was human remains.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Daisy performed DNA testing on the material. 9.14 a.m. Daisy
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: returns to the witness stand and a picture of the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: shovel is shown on the screen. She confirms it's the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: same shovel that is on the table. Another photo shows
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a close-up of the substance that was on the back
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: lip of the shovel. 9.16 a.m. The next picture shows
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Daisy took photos of possible DNA with a stereoscope, a
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: special type of microscope. 9.18 a.m. Which shows another photo?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Daisy says a green substance was found on part of
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the shovel. She was able to obtain a DNA profile
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: on the spot. The DNA profile matched Tylee Ryan. 604 octillion.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: That's 27 zeros. That's the DNA is hers. So pretty
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: much no way to wiggle out of that, huh? What
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: are you going to say? It wasn't me. It was
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: one of the other 604 octillion people out there that
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: share my DNA. Good luck with that. So obviously there's
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: no doubt that these remains belong to Tylee Ryan. 921 AM.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Daisy leaves the stand again and goes to the table
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to retrieve the pickaxe. There was blood on the axe
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and it was dirty. She removed the dirt and found
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: ashes and human remains embedded in the eye of the pickaxe.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: She collected, photographed, and ran the samples for DNA. 922 AM.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Daisy made circles on the handle of the pickaxe and
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: swabbed the head of the tool. There did appear to
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: be some possible burn marks in the item as well
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: as addition to the burn material that was in the eye,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Dacey says. There was also two stains on the pickaxe
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: that she ran for DNA. 9.23 a.m. Wood shows a
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: photo of the pickaxe on the screen and a close-up
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: of the pickaxe blade area. Dacey found material she could
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: run for DNA. Wood shows a close-up photo of stains
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: on the handle of on the pickaxe that tested positive
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: for blood. 9.25 a.m. Wood shows a photo of dark
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: material that was removed from the eye of the pickaxe.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Wood shows a photo of the largest piece of material
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: that Daisy found. She ran part of it for DNA.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: She obtained a partial DNA profile on the sample. That's
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: common on some samples that are degraded. Heat and fire
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: cause degradation. Daisy was still able to do a comparative
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: analysis with the partial profile. She compared the profile against
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the known reference samples J.J. Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Lori Vallow,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and Chad Daybell. Tylee Ryan was a possible contributor to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the possible DNA profile 159 trillion times that it was
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: her versus a random person from the general population. 9.29 a.m.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: The two spots on the pickaxe handle tested positive for blood.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Daisy performed DNA testing on the blood. She was able
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: to obtain a profile. The profile matched Tylee Ryan. 604
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: octillion times that means it was her versus an unrelated,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: randomly selected person. 9.31 a.m. Hairs and fibers were collected.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Wood shows an image showing three yellow sticky notes. Each
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: one of the sticky notes contains hairs of fiber that
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: were collected. These hairs were collected from tape and plastic
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: wrapped around JJ. Several hairs were tested for DNA. No
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: profiles were able to be generated. 9.33 a.m. Some of
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the hairs collected were sent to private labs, including Bodhi
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Technology in Virginia. Wood moves to admit a report from
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Bodhi Technology. 9.35 a.m. The report says DNA profiles were
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: provided for Tylee Ryan, Lori Vallow, and Melanie Gibb. The
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: partial DNA profile on hair obtained from tape on the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: black bags matched Lori Vallow. Probability was Lori is 1
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: in 71 billion. Wood asks for a brief sidebar. 9.40 a.m.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Wood has no further questions. Pryor will now cross-examine. 9.45 a.m.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Daisy how many tools were provided to her.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: There were 18. She tested all of them. Pryor asks
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: how many tools tested positive for blood. She needs to
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: review her notes and responds that out of the first
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: 10 tools she looked at, 9 were positive for blood. 9.47 a.m.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Daisy was unable to test all the blood because the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: spots were very small and and would have been consumed.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks how she collects DNA. Daisy says there are
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: different ways to test blood, semen, saliva, sweat, skin cells,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: in gloves, on clothing, etc. So in other words, they
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: have many different ways to skin that cat. And there's
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: plenty of ways to track down the DNA. If there's
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: any DNA there to be tracked down. 9.49 a.m. Pryor
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: says if he sets down his pen, he could leave
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: DNA on it by sweat, skin cells, saliva, etc., Daisy
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: says yes. She found potential blood on 9 of the
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: 10 tools. The remaining 8 tools had no blood or DNA. 9.50 a.m.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: All the tools were obtained by the lab on July 30, 2020.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: JJ and Tylee were buried in September of 2019, 10
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: months earlier. Prior asks if we know who had contact
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: with the tools in the 10 months. Daisy says we don't.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Daisy says none of the stains or materials tested had
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Chad's DNA on it. The handles of the tools were
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: not swabbed for DNA. Daisy says if they had been
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: at the property for years, you would expect to find
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: the owner's DNA on it. And that's a good point.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: If these were tools that Chad was using all the time,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: then his DNA would be all over it, right? But
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: they didn't find that, did they? 9.54 a.m. Pryor asked
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: if there was DNA on the necklace found on the property.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: She found some possible material that she could have run
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: for DNA, but it was consumptive. 9.55 a.m. Pryor shows
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a photo of the tools in Chad's shed. Daisy recognizes them.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Another photo is shown with the tools lying on the ground.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: She said some of them appear to be the tools
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: she received. Pryor zooms into a long shovel and asks
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Daisy to closely look at it. She believes it is
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: one of the tools that she received. He points out
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: an off-white substance on the handle. 9.59 a.m. Pryor shows
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the photo from earlier that shows the same shovel. He
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: asks if she removed things from the tools. Daisy says
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: she swabs and collects items from the handles and other
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: parts of the tools. 10.01 a.m. Pryor asks about the
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: investigation of the plastic and the tape. Pryor asks whose
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: DNA was found on the tape. She says J.J. Vallow's.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: That was the only DNA sample that she obtained. The
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: hair samples came from the adhesive side of the tape
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: on the plastic. Daisy says she collected a lot of
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: hair samples. 10.03 a.m. Dacey says the majority of the
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: hairs were collected prior to latent print processing. When she
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: went back and swabbed the unidentifiable prints on the tape,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: she found more hair. 10.05 a.m., morning recess, back in 20.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to break here, and in the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: next episode, talking about the topic, we'll pick up where
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: we left off. All of the information that goes with
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off with day
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: number 20 of the Chad Daybell trial. And once again,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: we're using EastIdahoNews.com to guide us. And the author of
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: this article is Nate Eaton. 10.35 a.m. Back in the courtroom,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Pryor continues to question Dacey about the hair collection. There
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: were 15 total collected hairs and each collection had one
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: or more fibers inside. Dacey is not in the position
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to talk about who all the hair belonged to. The
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Bodhi test hair was linked to Lori Vallow. 10.37 a.m.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: The first set of hairs was tested in June 2020.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: The second set was tested in December of 2022. Dacey
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: says for that type of DNA testing that she does,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you need a root present. A latent print of J.J.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Vallow's hand was found on the tape. 10.40 a.m. Dacey
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: says the police department requested her department do the testing.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Dacey was under guidelines not to consume evidence during testing.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: So some stuff was not tested. The handles of the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: tools were not tested for DNA or latent prints. 10.43 a.m.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Pryor says he wants to ask about soil and DNA.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Daisy smiles and he says, do you know where I'm going?
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: She says, no. He says, that's why you're smiling. 10.44 a.m.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks the date and time the DNA was put
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: on the tools. She says she doesn't know. She can't
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: ascertain when the DNA was on there. She says there
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: was no DNA associated to Chad Daybell. So a guy
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: owns all this property, has all of these tools for
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: farming and other uses, and he doesn't have DNA on
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: any of them? So what, he was a rich man,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and he employed a team of gardeners to come around
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: and fix his property up? Give me a break. The
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: reason that his DNA isn't found on that stuff is
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: pretty simple, because he never used it. It was all
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: purchased for this purpose. 10.46 a.m. Pryor has no further questions.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Wood will now redirect. 10.46 a.m. Wood asks what consumptive
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: testing is. Gacy says in order to do a DNA
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: consumptive test, you would need to use the entire sample
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: and it would be destroyed. Wood asks if she has
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: ever been on a case where she has tested every
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: single possible DNA sample. She says no, not in a
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: large case. They test to answer questions and do their
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: best not to overly consume evidence. just to test more
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: of the same thing. 10.48 a.m. Wood has no further questions.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Pryor says he wants some follow-up. Wood says he didn't
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: go anywhere Pryor did not. The judge agrees, and Pryor
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: isn't allowed to ask anything more. Dacey remains under subpoena. 10.49 a.m.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: The next witness is Detective Colin Nesbitt. He works for
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the Kauai Police Department. Ingrid Beatty is questioning him. 10.51 a.m.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Nesbitt was a detective. in 2020 assigned to the Major
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Crimes Unit. Nesbitt and his team was assisting Rexburg police
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: in serving a legal document to Lori Vallow and Chad
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Daybell on January 25, 2020. The document ordered Lori to
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: bring JJ and Tylee to the Department of Health in Rexburg. 10.53 a.m.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Nesbitt served Chad and Lori papers at 2.29 p.m. in
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the swimming pool area of the condo where they were staying. 10.56 a.m.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Beatty shows a video. On January 26, police obtained a
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: search warrant for their condo and vehicle. They served it
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: on Chad and Lori. They cooperated with police and a
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: search of the vehicle was performed. Photos were taken of
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the SUV. Beatty moves to admit the pictures as evidence. 10.59am.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: The search of the vehicle took place two days after
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori were served the warrant. The first photo
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: shows the front of the rental vehicle that was seized.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: The second photo shows inside the SUV from the front
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: door driver's side. Lori's purse is on the seat. The
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: next photo is a close-up of the seat. 11.02am. Police
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: found Tylee Ryan's debit card in Lori's purse. Photos of
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the card are shown on the screen. A cell phone
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: was also found in the side pocket of Lori's purse.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: The phone and other items were shipped to the Rexburg
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Police Department. The next photo shows the rear view of
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the SUV. Two adult bikes were found in the cargo
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: area of the car. 11.04 a.m. Beatty shows more photos
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: of the vehicle's interior. We see the bikes and backpack.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: There is also a handbag. Inside the handbag is a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Visions of Glory book, two iPads, a manila envelope, and
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: a folder. 11.06 a.m. We see a photo of an
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: iPad that says JJ written in red on the iPad cover.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: The next photo is Charles Vallow's death certificate and there
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: were 17 total copies. A real estate paper for the
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: condo Chad and Lori were renting was also in the handbag. 11.08 a.m.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Social security cards belonging to JJ and Tylee were also
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: found along with the birth certificates including Tylee's. There is
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: also a death certificate from the state of Arizona but
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: it's hard for him to read the tiny print to
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: say who it is. 11.10 a.m. The next photo is
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: JJ's original birth certificate from Louisiana. Now we see a
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: blue sky property management document for Lori's Rexburg apartment. The
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: patriarchal blessing Chad gave to Alex on November 24th, 2019
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: was also found in the bag. The next photo is
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: a black Jansport backpack. 11.12 a.m. There is a page
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: that has several blue sticky notes attached to it. Nesbitt
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: says he doesn't know what any of it means. There
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: was also a MacBook Pro and an HP laptop in
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the bag. 11.14 a.m. We now see a photo showing
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: an envelope full of cash that was found in the backpack.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: There was $ 10, 500 in the envelope. You know, just a
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: little bit of walking around cash, right? Everybody walks around
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: with 10 racks in their pocket. 11.15 a.m. Nesbitt was
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: present when the condo was searched on January 26, 2020.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Around three items were taken, including rubber wedding bands. There
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: was no sign that children lived there or had ever
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: been there. Beatty has no further questions. 11.17 a.m. Prior
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: asks if Chad made any comments when the papers were
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: served at the pool. Nesbitt says no. He looked over
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: at the papers that were served to Lori. Prior asks
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: if it was a custody order for the kids to
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: be returned back to Idaho. Nesbitt says yes. Prior asks
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: about the credit card found on the driver's side of
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the car Lori was driving. 11.18 a.m. Chad was sitting
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: in the front passenger seat. Pryor asks if anything of
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: evidentiary interest was found on Chad's side of the car.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Nesbitt says no. Pryor asks about a book found in
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: the car. He asks what faith the book comes from.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Nesbitt doesn't know. Again, trying to frame it all like
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: it's all Lori Vallow. Chad Daybell, just a bystander here.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Just a guy that's getting yanked around by his ding-ding. 11.20 a.m.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about the handbag and what was found inside.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: The bag was found in the rear passenger seat behind
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: where Chad was sitting. Pryor asks who owned the black backpack.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Nesbitt doesn't know. Pryor asks if Lori was trying to
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: flee when they pulled her over. Nesbitt says no. Lori
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: and Chad were completely cooperative and did not try to flee. 11.22 a.m.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: The currency was found in the backpack along with the
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: MacBook Pro, the HB laptop. A wallet with four credit
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: cards belonging to Chad Daybell was also found in the backpack.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: A death certificate and marriage license was also found in
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the bag. Pryor Has no further questions. 11.23 a.m. Beatty
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: will now cross-examine. Beatty asks about Chad not saying anything
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: during encounters with the police. He didn't say, what's this
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: all about? Nesbitt says he didn't say anything. Beatty asks
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a few clarifying questions and is finished. Nesbitt is released
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: from the subpoena. The next witness is FBI intelligence analyst
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Benjamin Dean. Rob Wood will question him, but needs to
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: run and grab his questions. 11.35 a.m. Dean has worked
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: for the FBI for eight years. He is currently assigned
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: to the Salt Lake City Field Office. His main job
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: is to analyze information and make assessments regarding specific threats. 11.37 a.m.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Dean began working the Daybell case in late March of 2020.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: His initial assignment was to review tips submitted by members
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: of the public in response to a news release issued
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: by the FBI and Rexburg Police on March 5th, 2020.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: regarding Tylee and JJ. 11.40 a.m. The FBI received 600
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Day 800 tips, many of which had photos and videos.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Dean was asked to review devices that were seized from
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Daybell's home in January of 2022. He completed his review
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: in May of 2020. He was also asked to review
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: the contents of two Blu-ray discs containing data extracted from
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: storage devices seized from Chad's property on January 3rd, 2020. 11.41 AM.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Dean used a Blu-ray player to review the two discs.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: He explains how he was able to open and view
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: the files using Celebrite software. 11.45 AM. The Blu-ray discs
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: contained data from a cell phone belonging to Tammy Daybell.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: They were incoming messages to Tammy and outgoing messages from Tammy.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: There were group messages involving members of Daybell family, including Tammy. 11.46 AM.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: All outgoing communication on the device ended on the evening
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: of October 18th, 2019, the day before Tammy was found dead. 11.49 a.m.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: On September 9th, 2019, a text message from Chad's phone
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: caught Dean's attention. Wood moves to admit an exhibit and
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the projector has a technical issue. Court staff working to
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: fix the problem. 11.51 a.m. Judge calls for a lunch break. 12.50,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: back in the courtroom. Dean remains on the stand. Wood
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: continues to question. 12.54 p.m. Dean looks at the exhibit
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and would ask to publish. It's a message Chad sent
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: to Tammy. I've had an interesting morning. I felt I
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: should burn all of the limb debris by the fire
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  Speaker 1: pit before it got too soaked by the coming storm.
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  Speaker 1: While I did so, I spotted a big raccoon along
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  Speaker 1: the fence. I hurried and got my gun, and he
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  Speaker 1: was still walking along. I got close enough that one
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  Speaker 1: shot did the trick. He is now in our pet cemetery.
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  Speaker 1: Fun times. 1 p.m. The message was sent on September 9th,
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  Speaker 1: 2019 at 10.53 a.m. 101 p.m. Chad sent a second
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  Speaker 1: message to Tammy the same day at 10.56 a.m. Gonna
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  Speaker 1: shower now and then go write for a while at BYU.
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  Speaker 1: Love you. 102 p.m. Tammy sent a message to Chad
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  Speaker 1: at 1.47 p.m. Good for you. Chad sent a message
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  Speaker 1: to Tammy at 1.48 p.m. I'm back home now. 103 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: The first message stood out to Dean because it was
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  Speaker 1: longer and more detailed than any other messages that were
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  Speaker 1: exchanged between Tammy and Chad. Messages sent between the two
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: were relatively short and they dealt with routine matters, household matters,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: things of that nature, Dean says. 104 p.m. Dean says
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  Speaker 1: this message was the only one on the device where
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Chad wrote to Tammy such a lengthy and detailed explanation
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: of his day's events. The date caught Dean's attention because
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: his first assignment in the investigation was to review tips
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: about JJ and Tylee. After having reviewed hundreds of photographs
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: and video files taken all across Yellowstone National Park on
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: the 8th of September 2019, I was very much aware
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: that date was the last day Tylee Ryan was seen alive.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: 106 p.m. Chad told Tammy he started a fire, shot
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  Speaker 1: a large animal, and buried that large animal. He did
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  Speaker 1: those things on the day after Tylee Ryan was last
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  Speaker 1: seen alive. Dean says Wood has no further questions. 107 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor begins by asking Dean if he reviewed Chad's phone too.
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  Speaker 1: He did not, just Tammy's. Pryor asks if there were
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: frequent discussions between Tammy and other members of her family.
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  Speaker 1: Dean says yes, there were three people living in the
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  Speaker 1: Daybell home, Tammy, Chad, and Garth. 1.08 p.m. Prior asked
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Dean if the mention of animals in communication with Tammy
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  Speaker 1: was unusual. Dean says it happened a few times. 1.10 p.m.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Dean says the outgoing messages on Tammy's phone ended on
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: October 18th, 2019. There were some ingoing messages afterward. Prior
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: asked Dean how long Tammy and Chad were married. Dean
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't know the exact amount. Prior asked if Dean evaluated
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: all the text messages from their entire marriage. Dean did not. 1.12 p.m.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Dean if he looked at other devices Tammy
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Daybell may have had. Dean says no. Pryor asks if
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Dean was aware Tammy communicated with her children about locating
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: and finding raccoons. Wood objects and says this misstates Pryor testimony.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce sustains the objection. 1.13 p.m. Pryor has no further questions.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Wood has some redirect. Wood asks if Dean was provided
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: with devices for the entire length of the Daybell marriage.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Dean says he was not. 1.15 p.m. Wood has nothing further.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Dean is done but will remain under subpoena just in
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: case he needs to be called again. 1.16 p.m. The
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: next witness is Janet Anderson. Rocky Wixom will question her.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Janet lives in St. Charles, Idaho by Bear Lake. She
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: used to live in Lehman near Rexburg. Janet was the
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: secretary at Central Elementary in Sugar City. 1.19 p.m. Janet
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: saw Tammy several times every day. Tammy would often visit
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: the office. She says everybody loved Tammy. She was friendly
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: and a nice person. 1.20 p.m. Tammy was never sick.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: She never had a cough or a sniffle or a limp.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Nothing that Janice noticed. Tammy never complained about her health.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: She was the energizer bunny. She was everywhere and did
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: everything she needed to do. She never quit and was
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: always where she needed to be. Tammy did lunchroom duty,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: computer lab, recess duty. 1.22 p.m. I thought, how could
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: this be? I just barely saw her Friday at 3.45.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: She was laughing. She was happy. She was talking about
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: putting up curtains in the computer lab. It was really
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: quite a shock. I didn't know how it could happen,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Janet says. Tammy and Emma stopped at the office on
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: the way out to tell her about the curtains in
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: the computer lab. 1.23 p.m. Janet last saw Tammy at 3.45 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: the day before she died. Janet didn't notice anything wrong
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: with her, and she seemed like she had energy no
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: matter what time of the day it was. She was
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: just always on the go. 1.24 p.m. Wixom asks Janet
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: if she noticed if Tammy gained or lost any weight.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: She doesn't think so. She was always on the go
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: where she needed to be. Wixom has nothing further. Pryor
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: will now cross-examine. 1.25 p.m. Pryor asks Janet if she
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: remembers speaking with Officer Mattingly. She asks who that is.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: She explains an officer came by the office to take
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: a report. Pryor asks about Janet telling police that Tammy
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: kept to herself. She explains that she kept to herself
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: because she wanted to do her job and work. She
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: never said personal things to Janet. 1.26 p.m. Pryor asks
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: if Janet agrees that Tammy, one confidant at the school,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: was Emma, her daughter. Janet says she doesn't agree with that.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: She had lots of friends at the school and would
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: chat with others. Pryor asks if Tammy and Emma spent
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of time together when they had downtime. Janet
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: says she doesn't think they did. 127 p.m. Pryor asks
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: about the book fair Tammy was preparing for the day
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: before she died. He asks if it was a significant
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: endeavor to prepare for the fair. Janet says the book
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: fair wasn't until the next week, so there wasn't a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: lot of extra work that needed to be done on
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: that Friday. 128 p.m. Pryor has nothing further, no redirect,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and she is released from the subpoena. 129 p.m. The
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: next witness is Tammy Gee. She works at Central Elementary
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: in Sugar City and has worked there for 14 years.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: She teaches kindergarten. Ingrid Beatty is questioning her. 1.31 p.m.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: G and Tammy worked together for around three years. During
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: this testimony, Chad is scrolling with his mouse on the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: computer in front of him. 1.32 p.m. G spoke with
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Tammy between 3.20 and 3.30 p.m. the day before Tammy died.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: They spoke about one of G's students. Tammy was very animated, friendly,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: and kind. I didn't see any health issues. We talked
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: just like I would on a regular day, G says,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: describing Tammy's energy level as great. And how many people
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: have to tell us that Tammy wasn't sick? Now, I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: know that Chad Daybell wants to tell us a different story,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: but all these people are newer. Say she was never
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: missing work. She wasn't limping around at work. She wasn't sniffling.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: She didn't have allergies. None of that stuff. At least
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: not at work where it was causing an issue where
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: other people would notice it. So if she's not that sick,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: where other people are noticing it, you mean to tell
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: me that I'm supposed to buy that she died of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: natural causes? Sorry, I don't buy it. 1.33pm G received
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: a text message from the principal the next day that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Tammy had died. I was shocked. Shocked. I didn't see
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: any indication that she was sick, G says. Beatty has
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: nothing further. Pryor will now cross-examine. 1.34pm Pryor asks if
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: there were preparations for the book fair next week. G
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't remember. Pryor asks if Tammy kept to herself about
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: her personal life. Not really, I wouldn't say that, G says.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Pryor has nothing further. No more questions from the prosecutor.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: G is excused from her subpoena. 1.35 p.m. Pamela Peebles
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: is the next witness. Rocky Wixom is questioning her. Pam
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: lives in Rigby and works at Central Elementary in Sugar City.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: She is a Title I teacher. She helps children, not
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: on grade level, in their reading. 1.37 p.m. Pam worked
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: with Tammy for two to three years. She saw Tammy
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: around the school every day because she was running around
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: doing her library and computer stuff with the children. Pam
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: was at recess duty twice a week with Tammy. Tammy
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: would be able to run around with them and interact
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: with them. She knew each child by name, all of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: them in the school. She loved the children and they
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: loved her very much, Pam says through tears. 1.38 p.m.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: She was a good friend and as well as a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: good co-worker, Pam says. Tammy would engage with the children
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: during playtime and make sure that they were okay. She
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: was very involved with the kids. Pam learned about Tammy's
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: passing from another teacher. 1.39 p.m. Pam was with Tammy
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: on Thursday at recess duty, speaking with her and watching
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: her with the kids. I saw nothing wrong with her,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: so I was shocked. When she learned of Tammy's death,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Pam thought Tammy was quite healthy. She had been training
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: for a race, according to Pam, and on the Thursday
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: before her death, they spoke about it. She had told
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: me she felt she was in the best health of
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: her life. She had been eating better and losing some
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: weight and training, and she said very good about her health. 1.41 p.m.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Pam says Tammy had lost some weight, and I was
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: a little jealous of that. She looked good and was happy.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: She felt better and had changed some of her habits.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Wixom has nothing further. Pryor will now question the witness. 1.42 p.m.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Pryor has no questions. Pam is excused. 1.46 p.m. Court
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: is finished for the day, as there's some maintenance being
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: done in the courtroom tomorrow. 1.47 p.m. Boyce wants to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: clarify something about exhibits. He raised a concern with counsel
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: about markings when the trial started. Lori Vallow Daybell was
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: mentioned on the markings, and Boyce wanted the name removed
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: so jurors would not speculate about her involvement. Boyce says
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: there doesn't appear to be any cause for speculation with
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: the exhibits, so they can now be admitted without redactions.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, so there it is, day number 20
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: of the Chad Daybell trial. And I'm guessing most of
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: you who came into this with a clear idea of
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: what went on haven't been knocked off your perch. And
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: if anybody came into this thinking that Daybell might be innocent,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they could believe that after the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: evidence that we've heard for the last three weeks. But
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: we're going to continue on continuing on until the jury
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: renders a verdict. All of the information that goes with
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