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Systemic Barriers and the ROR: Return On Relationships (Part II) with Carolyn Treviño Jenkins · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we have as conversations about
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  things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Our interview last week was so good that we decided to turn it into a 2 part series.
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  If you missed last week, you'll find the link in the show notes.
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  It's not mandatory that you listen, but we wanna make sure that you don't miss out on this
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  amazing conversation.
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  Hi, everyone.
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  It's Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Thanks.
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  For tuning in again to authentic living with Roxanne.
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  Today, I have a colleague Carolyn Trevano Jenkins.
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  I said I wouldn't, trip up on the Trevino there.
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  And she is a someone that, is a Forbes Business Council, a tech technology business council
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  member, and we were we were fortunate enough.
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  I I popped into this wrong room and actually met Carolyn at that point at Forbes because I'm
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  a part of the general business council and, we got to know each other and She's got a
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  fascinating story as a CEO, and I invited her today to kind of share some of the things that
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  she's been through our longer path that might help, some of us that are, female
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  entrepreneurs, but also CEOs.
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  So, Caroline, thanks so much for coming on today.
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  Oh, thank you for inviting me.
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  I'm really excited to be here.
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  So, Carolyn, now
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  You and I started off because we I think we were talking about diversity and, you know, I
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  was fascinated by your background because visibly, I did not know, about your background.
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  And you were sharing a couple of stories, I believe, that got me intrigued.
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  Obviously, I'm from Turbago, so I would say visibly, I'm I look for and and and that
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  changes that kind of sometimes the trajectory in a room.
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  But with you, tell us a little bit about your background and kinda your path.
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  I know you live in Texas at present with your family, your kids and your dogs and your lovely
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  husband, but tell us a little bit about your path into kind of, you know, business?
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  Well, that's a a big question there.
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  So but Yeah.
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  I think you were kinda sharing with some of the the background and stories you and I talked
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  about about the way I look.
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  I am 1st generation American, My my dad's family is from Mexico.
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  My dad was 10 when they moved here.
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  What I look like my mom, who's Italian, I don't look like my dad.
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  And, you know, I sort of grew up even in my childhood where I never quite fit in.
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  There were people, often the Hispanic community thought I wasn't Hispanic enough, and then
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  sometimes the the you know, white community would say harsh things if they found out I was
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  Hispanic, like, literally in 5th grade.
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  I had a teacher tell me I was the dumbest Mexican she'd ever met.
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  To my face.
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  So I, you know, so life's an adventure, and I, and I really learned But early in life, I think
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  that it's about how I can how I respond to life.
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  You know, I can't control it, but I can control how I respond to things.
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  And that was really important to me.
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  And that's really been important in my business career because as I, you know, I finished my
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  MBA many, many years ago, and and immediately wanted to go to work and then chose not to go
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  to work full time because I had a special need son that was born in between my 1st 2nd year,
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  and he needed a lot from me.
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  And we had some disc discrimination in the Roxanne and in the medical system back then, as
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  well before my last name was Jenkins, on the end of that.
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  And just sort of that lived experience.
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  Took that into the workplace.
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  Again, when I finally went to work full time, I worked part time.
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  And I sort of fell into the startup world.
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  And I loved it.
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  Like, I had a I was working in corporate America.
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  I was doing really well.
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  And one of my customers recruited me away to a startup in 1997 when there were not enough
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  positions, there was the y 2 k scare and the internet bubble, and there were way more
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  technology positions than technologists, and that's when I first jumped in the startup
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  world.
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  And never in a 1000000 years in 1997, could I have told you I would one day be a CEO.
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  So So that that that bandy between I have to create a presence as the CEO.
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  I wanna be connected But I need to be able to show, authoritativeness.
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  Like, were the things that you really had to work on for that subset of skills, or did you
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  find that it it because you've been in lots of different positions with startups of that team,
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  easily to you?
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  The connectivity, it was interesting.
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  And and when I say it's like there were certain people in the company that we instantly had
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  kinship and connectivity.
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  There were a couple of people, managers in the company, that I'll tell you.
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  I I I think I had their respect, but never maybe connectivity from them.
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  Now we were a strategy execution software company.
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  So as far as, like, the accountability that was easy, everyone had their objectives.
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  They were all used to that.
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  Holding people accountable for performance was easy.
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  Trying to have a company team building event was harder than any place I'd ever been in my
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  life.
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  I'm like, it was so fascinating to me, like, once a quarter, we would go volunteer at the
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  food bank, but we had some employees who were like, I'm not doing that.
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  Like, I they and they wouldn't do it.
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  We had we did one quarter we went to, one of those puzzle rooms, you know, where you have to
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  get the, you know, when we went to eat and we went to a puzzle room and there were employees
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  who like leaned against the wall with their arms crossed, and they're like, I'm not playing
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  this stupid game.
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  You know?
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  And it was like, wow, I have, like, never seen this kind of attitude at any of my other
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  companies where someone's like, I I won't even try.
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  Oh, and I'll tell you there were a couple of them that I never went over but they did their
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  job as employees.
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  They met their objectives.
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  You wouldn't say that they were bad performers, but from a culture, company culture standpoint,
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  like, we just never connected.
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  Never.
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  And it felt like they never blended in.
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  It wasn't just me.
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  They never blended in to the company culture as a whole.
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  And so it was hard for me.
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  It was a struggle for me to say, are they the right employee then?
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  Like, but they're doing their job.
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  They're, like, doing a good job at their job.
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  They're hitting their objectives.
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  They're not a bad employee, but they certainly didn't elevate the culture.
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  They weren't maybe what you would call a culture ad.
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  They were maybe a culture, the tractor.
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  Mhmm.
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  Mhmm.
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  And that was hard.
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  That was really hard because I was used to being, you know, well liked, well respected,
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  you know, when again, there were people I hired, which is different, I guess.
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  You know?
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  So Right.
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  Because you're growing you're growing the culture from the ground up if a startup versus
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  like you said, when you're inheriting, the context of what with prior leadership and, you
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  know, I often say what is the context of what's happened within the culture, the business units
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  changes.
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  There's so many variables.
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  And then, you know, you know, I talk about return on relationship, but ultimately, if
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  you're connected and you're doing all the things that are key to to get people, you know,
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  to function optimally, not everybody's gonna want to be as cohesive.
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  Some some people are like, you know, just leave me in my kind of my back office.
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  I'm gonna get stuff stuff done, and I'm not the type that likes to potentially play games, you
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  know, or do puzzles, but I'm pretty good on my own kind of thing.
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  So it it really depends, and it's oftentimes an individual thing as well.
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  Yeah.
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  It was really fascinating.
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  Prior to me, the previous CEO didn't have company events.
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  And I came out of a culture where we always had a quarterly.
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  I mean, they had company meetings, but they didn't do, like, fund team building activities.
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  And, of course, you can imagine my HR background.
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  And then I was vice president of customer success.
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  I was doing team things for my customers and it's just kinda core to my nature, and we
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  always had these things at our companies in the past, and they were always a huge hit.
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  I know, like, I even would have with I was I like serving the employees.
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  I'm like, well, what do you wanna do?
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  And those few people were like, nothing.
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  Like, we've never had to do this before, and we don't wanna do it.
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  And you're sitting there going, well, when they were hired, they didn't they were not their
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  expectations were not set that they needed to do this.
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  And so then how do I come in and penalize them or not wanting to do it, but it always felt
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  awkward.
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  So and I would like to think, had I been there longer?
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  I would turned it around, but I'll never know because I was, you know, I got cancer while I
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  was at that company.
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  And so I didn't have the tenure there as CEO that I would have expected to have.
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  And I would think, yeah, because the like to your point, if you're recruiting, you're trying
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  to find fits, these are the the cultural norms within that that, environment.
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  And if if office and it's a new thing, it would take people time.
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  Right?
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  So had you, to your point, I think it takes those kinds of shifts takes a bit of time where
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  people are looking for consistency and, okay, why are you doing this?
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  And, you know, uh-uh, we've never had to do this, since I've been here and all of a sudden
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  now this new CEO decides, well, we're just gonna do this.
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  Sometimes people some people are quick on to to just to change it.
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  I think a lot of people aren't.
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  Right?
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  So but That doesn't mean that so long as they're functioning, they're not disruptive,
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  you know, they're you're you're hitting your targets, then it becomes well.
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  I, you know, if we're all kind of playing nice in the sandbox then, you know, that's what what
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  counts.
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  So let's talk a little bit.
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  You mentioned the cancer that you had.
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  And let's talk a little bit about how you coped with that.
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  Like, here you are.
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  You're at the pinnacle.
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  You're, you know, you're at CEO now of a company that you didn't start and you're how
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  old at that point, Carolyn, that this occurs that your children pretty young at that point.
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  No.
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  Actually, my youngest was a junior, a sophomore, junior, and high school.
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  So my my my kids were she was not yet driving, but she was I she had her permit, but she
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  couldn't drive by herself yet.
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  And I had one who was, Well, when the this started, I guess she was in her senior year of
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  high school, but by the time things got really bad, like, she went off to college.
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  Like, I literally delayed one of surgeries to drop her off at college, and take her to to
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  school.
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  So they were older.
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  They were older.
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  And then
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  my son's way older.
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  So So you you get this news.
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  And and then then what happens?
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  Like, Like, what is the mindset that you go into?
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  I mean, everybody hears that word, and it's like, you know, it's that worst thing that you
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  can hear.
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  So how do you adapt some of the things that you already told us to to deal with this situation.
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  Well, you know, fortunately for me, we we did keep catch it early.
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  And I think that's just important to share with everyone because if I'd been a different in
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  place, I might have handled it differently.
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  Right?
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  This isn't a one size fits all kind of solution here, but we did catch mine early.
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  And I pretty quickly was like, okay, I'm not dying.
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  It's gonna suck.
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  And lot too long after that, my next thought was How do I tell my board of directors?
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  Like, they literally just hired me for this job.
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  Like, I'm not that far into my job.
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  And how do I go tell a roomful of men that I, I have breast cancer, which was very
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  uncomfortable.
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  Like, this is where my brain was spinning.
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  I've not even left the doctor's office yet.
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  And I'm sitting there going, well, wait a minute.
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  You know, like, when you say someone like, oh, I I broke my foot.
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  Everyone looks at your foot or, you know, like, someone's like, you know, what's what's your to
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  do?
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  Your wrist or, you know, it's just human behavior.
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  When someone tells you they broke something, you tend to look add it because you just
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  intuitively want more details.
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  And so I'm going, okay, great.
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  I'm gonna walk into this room full of men, and I'm gonna say, I have breast cancer.
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  Like, What does one wear for this?
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  Like, I know this sounds so ridiculous, but this literally crossed my mind.
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  I'm like, is this like, do I wear a shot of work that day?
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  Do I just wear a blazer?
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  Like and then then, like, and when do I tell them?
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  And literally this was one of the things where it's like, who's gonna, like, help me figure
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  out when do I tell my board?
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  They they they just hired me, and now I'm I've got cancer.
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  And I couldn't find anyone to share that advice, but kinda goes back to all those other
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  lessons.
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  I mean, any other problem I wouldn't tell the board there was a problem until I had a
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  potential solution for the problem.
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  Right?
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  So I don't wanna just call them and say, oh my god, we just lost our biggest client.
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  You might call and, you know, oh, we lost our biggest client.
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  Give me 24 hours.
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  Like, I'm internally Like, what am I gonna do to handle it?
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  Let me have a plan.
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  Now I need to tell the board.
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  You know?
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  So I decided not to tell them anything until I had a plan.
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  Like, how am I gonna handle the fact that I have cancer, but I knew I had to tell him
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  sooner rather than later because we, again, we all worked in offices in 2018.
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  And, like, people are gonna notice.
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  Our brand new CEO sure is missing a lot.
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  Like, where is she?
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  Because I had all these appointments, and then I was gonna start having surgery, and, like,
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  you can't hide that, but I needed a plan.
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  So I decided to wait until I had my plan.
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  And I was very fortunate that had a very, very supportive board.
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  But everything that you learn and being a leader also just became this on a cancer
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  journey, like, advocating for yourself, it's like advocating for your career.
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  Don't expect someone else to do it for you.
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  Look for mentors.
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  Like, look for someone else who's had cancer and find that person to help you, even if it's
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  just to listen, or to make suggestions.
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  The best advice I got came from strangers.
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  I maybe I shouldn't say the best, but a lot of good advice.
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  Came from strangers who had walked the walk.
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  And and sometimes that's how we get our business advice.
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  Right?
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  We we meet people who we think, you know, we look at their backgrounds and we're like,
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  they've lived my experience.
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  So let me listen to them.
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  And see what I might discern that would help me on my journey.
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  And that helped in cancer.
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  This is just no der differently than how you might manage your career.
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  Like, don't let it just unfold and happen to me.
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  I want to drive the process.
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  So you just kinda sat with it and really reflect it.
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  Like you said, for, like, to your point, we've just gone to a we've gone to a renewal meeting
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  and something has gone awry And, you know, oftentimes in those scenarios, you're trying to
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  process it, but you see, you kind of took the same approach and then eventually kind of went
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  back to them and was able to deliver.
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  Now the fascinating thing is and this is the new startup that you're a part of.
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  Right?
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  And and it's called We are here.
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  We are here.
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  We are here.
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  I was just trying to look at my notes.
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  We are here.
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  So I I love I love this story because it's So, you know, it just speaks to the the depth of
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  how you're able to go into a scenario and glean out these amazing things.
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  So tell everyone about the startup and what's involved within how how it's started the whole
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  incubation of this the startup was through the cancer process for you.
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  It really was.
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  Like I said, that's that same visit where I was you know, told I had cancer.
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  I got handed a binder.
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  It's a, you know, thick binder.
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  Indered.
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  And I'm looking at this binder and, you know, again, someone who's been in technology for
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  many, many years going, oh, what am I supposed to do with this paper binder?
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  And I know that it's well intentioned.
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  The, you know, medical professionals and their clinicians their number one objective is to
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  save your life.
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  And I wholeheartedly support that.
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  But, unfortunately, what that often is that some of these other things don't get as well
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  addressed.
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  So this binder has, like, pages and pages and pages of URLs.
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  But it would just have like a name and a URLs, and here's some resources for you to go type
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  and look in yourself.
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  And then but some of them had nothing to do with breast cancer, and some of them had
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  nothing to do with my breast cancer because there's lots of different types of breast
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  cancer.
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  And then if you think of just about and I had options for how I got treated, So then there's
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  all these things that have nothing to do with my treatment choices.
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  And so it's it became a time waste for me, and I just I put the binder site, and I just never
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  went and looked at it again.
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  I'm like, I got this great binder that I don't even use because it it meant nothing.
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  It was a use.
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  And then some of the best resources were nowhere in the binder.
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  And it was just too hard.
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  It was harder than it needed to be.
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  The nonmedical side was so much harder than it needed to be.
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  So my first inkling of someone needs to do something was the binder.
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  And I'm like, This should not be that hard.
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  But right before I had a bilateral mastectomy, the nurse was explaining I was gonna have these
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  4 posts or and then hang that on the shower head.
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  And I'm like, okay.
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  You just told me I'm not allowed to put raise either hand over my shoulders.
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  So how am I supposed to get on the shower head?
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  And she's like, oh, get get your husband to do it.
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  And this was a big turning point for me, because I'm like, first off, What if I didn't
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  have a husband?
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  Now I do, but I have a husband.
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  He's not always home.
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  He sometimes travels for work.
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  His job is not a flexible job because he works in hazardous materials.
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  He can't take an hour to off.
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  He takes the whole day off or no day off, you know?
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  So I'm sitting there and I'm just thinking like, how to what and I'm really independent.
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  And you just said I can't shower for 8 weeks unless someone's home with me.
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  That didn't work for me.
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  But you're also assuming day one that with this, like, new sort of, you know, really my
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  body with scars and pieces missing and drains with not attractive things in them, that I'm
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  just gonna be like, oh, honey.
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  Just come on in the shower and help me.
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  Like, no.
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  Like, I don't I don't like to think I'm vain, but I care.
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  And I'm like, I don't know.
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  That's the image I want burned in my husband's, brain, and he would be loving and supporting.
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  It's just I'm not sure, like, you can't unsee that.
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  And I don't I'm like, I don't know from day 1.
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  I'm gonna be ready for that.
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  Like but that's what you're assuming.
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  And the answer was a $12 shower belt that it took me 2 hours to find.
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  And then that was really sort of the turning point of when I'm done.
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  Somebody needs to make this easier.
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  Like, there are great resources out there.
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  There's products out there.
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  There's services.
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  There's over 5000 cancer non profits.
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  It is overwhelming and exhausting and too hard to get connected to exactly what you need when
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  you need it, but technology is so right for doing this.
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  So
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  so here's that problem solver again in you, right, like thinking, you know, that's a that's
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  a fascinating story.
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  Like, exactly.
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  Like, you know, if To your point, psychologically, emotionally, as women, we're
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  gonna think about our breasts.
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  Like, I mean, and then you're thinking, right?
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  Like, do I I have to get accustomed to what I feel like about my body.
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  And then, you know, like, to your point, you know, who do you want in that space?
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  Maybe you're just getting accustomed.
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  So you know, they're just the elements.
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  So being able to come up this beautiful binder clearly had a lot of things, but the
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  technological parts of what you you develop people can access online.
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  Is that about the experience and and the support?
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  And it is you know, each one of us as a human is very complex.
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  Like, you and I, we have probably different family situations, you know, if you look at our
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  economics, our location, our family, you know, all the different things that go into what you
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  need for cancer, Like, how many people do you have to give you rides?
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  How many people, like, are you gonna have your meals?
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  Do you know, like, do you have kids that need to go to camp?
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  But, like, your personal life is very complex.
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  Your cancer journey is very complex.
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  Like, you can have two people with the exact same cancer diagnosis, same stage, but maybe
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  they chose different treatment paths.
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  So everybody needs something so different.
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  And they need it at a different time, but with technology, we can match all those complicated
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  characteristics of an individual and their demographics, their social support, their
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  economic support, and their lifestyle, what's going on in their life, and we can match that
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  to all the resources so that we only are stirring up what they need when they need it,
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  and we educate them about things they don't even know to ask for.
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  I I have learned so many things I could have done had it just, but you don't know what you
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  don't know.
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  So with a solution like ours, we can gently nudge people, would you be interested in?
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  For example, the divorce rate for cancer is higher than the national average.
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  Out of all the many doctors I had and nurses, not one, said, by the way, be mindful of your
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  marriage or be mindful of your relationship.
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  Mhmm.
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  Nobody said that, you know, but we can gently nudge people.
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  We can share with them.
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  Here's a statistic.
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  We're not saying it, you know, we're not trying to tell people you getting a marriage
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  counseling, but we wanna just make you aware of this and why.
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  I mean, you think about why.
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  I mean, the financial distress, the intimacy distress, all the things that if it's not
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  cancer still impact marriages and you're taking them all on and once, right?
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  No wonder it's so high.
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  You're not often told a lot.
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  We're getting better in this country, but you may not be told that there's an option for
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  saving your hair because it's hard on the clinicians and on the infusion rooms if you
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  decide to cold gap.
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  It makes it more difficult for them.
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  The technology is getting better.
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  The infusion centers are getting more receptive, but, like, none of my doctors even
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  threw that out there as an option.
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  You know, and one of my co founders, they didn't tell her either, but her mom found it.
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  And so she cold capped.
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  You know, so we just wanna make sure we're educating people, empowering people, by giving
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  them what they need when they need it instead of overwhelming them with a big fake binder
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  that doesn't even have everything in it because Clinicians don't have the time to put
• 24:42
  everything in it, and then they're not gonna invest in technology.
• 24:45
  On this, they're investing in the technology related to your chemo, your radiation, you
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  know, where they should be investing their their dollars.
• 24:53
  What a what a fascinating experience.
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  Right?
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  Like, I mean, out of something so adverse, came out something where you can give people, some
• 25:02
  kind of, like, if you're reeling in your marriage, Right?
• 25:05
  Like, maybe your Parker's still numb and you're numb.
• 25:08
  Kind of how to have those, you know, those conversations.
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  Or like you said, how do I talk to the people on my board?
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  Or How is it that I deliver this to my children or, you know what I mean?
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  What nutrition?
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  There's so many, different things that sounds like.
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  So is it that when people come in, they're triaged based on what their needs are with
• 25:28
  their diagnosis like you said, every button each one of us is so individual.
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  So their interaction with you is quite unique depending on on the case.
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  It absolutely is.
• 25:41
  And so we have over 30 broad categories, but each category has a lot of sub you know,
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  categories in it, if you will, but someone, you know, it might be that they need financial
• 25:53
  assistance, It might be that they need mental health counseling, and it might be that they
• 25:57
  need product recommendations.
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  I mean, they get to sort of share with us what they see as their top 3.
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  And the and we help throughout the whole journey and beyond, but we start with what are
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  your top 3, because, again, we don't wanna overwhelm them.
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  So it's like, let's just start knocking down things sort of systematically.
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  But if I, give you the equivalent, the electronic equivalent of a binder, I give you
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  an email and an and, you know, many many places do this.
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  They they'll send you an email, well intentioned email, but it has, like, 20 links
• 26:31
  in it.
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  Here's some resources for you.
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  It's a little better because you didn't have to type them in, but you still have to go click on
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  them read them.
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  Like, it's only It's not that much buy better than the paper notebook, and we won't do that
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  to people.
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  It's what do you really need right this minute based on where you are?
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  Let's take care of that.
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  And we just stay in constant communication.
• 26:50
  So as their journey evolves, we're still there with them, and we help caregivers We help
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  survivors.
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  The very first person that we helped in 2022, January 2022, is still using us for resources
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  today.
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  Wow.
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  Amazing.
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  Amazing.
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  So, Caroline, I know we're almost at time, but I'm curious.
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  What is one of the biggest things that you learned going through something like this?
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  I don't know if, Did I learn it or if I reaffirmed it?
• 27:30
  I I have had a couple of opportunities in my life, where there were extraordinary
• 27:39
  circumstances, if you will.
• 27:40
  Like, my, my son was born with special needs and almost died many times.
• 27:44
  As an infant, and then he was in a critical horseback riding accident when he was seventeen
• 27:49
  and almost died then.
• 27:50
  So I think I maybe had multiple times to get ready for the emergency being myself, but it
• 27:56
  was that affirmation that your personal attitude is a significant portion of the
• 28:09
  journey and how your body responds, like, your ability to find the positive your ability to
• 28:17
  find the joy in the daily, in the small, it doesn't mean a bunch of it doesn't stink or
• 28:22
  sock, but your day your ability to focus on the positive every day, makes a huge, huge
• 28:30
  difference in your experience during the journey itself, but also in your outcomes.
• 28:35
  Whether you're diverse, whether you're a female executive, whether you're CEO, or whether
• 28:39
  you're someone going through, things.
• 28:42
  And I often say to have lived as long.
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  Most of us have been through something.
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  Right?
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  And it's that bounce back about, okay.
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  Now I'm down.
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  K.
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  How long am I gonna be down?
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  And what is it that I need to kind of pick up, accept, to your point, and then kind of go from
• 28:59
  there?
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  So, Garland, for anybody that might want to know more about, your company or just even, you
• 29:06
  know, follow you to because I mean, I will I will say that, I'm always love to meet women
• 29:12
  like you that are out there in the world sharing such amazing richness and for younger
• 29:18
  women still coming up, you know, sometimes it it it gets debilitating to think, oh, there's
• 29:23
  so many things I have to climb over in order to get where I need to, I think, inspirations like
• 29:28
  yours and other women like you are are good to, connect with.
• 29:33
  So where is it that people can get a hold of you or you know, get connected with the with
• 29:38
  your company.
• 29:39
  Well, if you
• 29:40
  wanna get a hold of me, my LinkedIn profile, and it is my name, Carolyn Federino Jenkins.
• 29:46
  On LinkedIn and or just go to we are here.com, which is much easier to spell.
• 29:54
  Well, I thank you again for spending the time with, my audience.
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  What am I what am I taking away?
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  I'm taking away that it's all, you know, in how we deal with perspective, right, like whether
• 30:07
  it's you wanting to, look at your long term aspirations, whether it's something within your
• 30:14
  family, whether it's an illness, or whether it's something that you just want to achieve,
• 30:18
  what is your legacy imprint think about that and think there's gonna be trip ups along the
• 30:23
  way.
• 30:23
  And I know I've had my fair share of the of them and clearly you've had a lot of things.
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  Happen, but don't let that define who you are, but it is not you.
• 30:32
  We all will go through things in life.
• 30:35
  So I am in launch week for my new book.
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  So it's it's launching on, 10th June.
• 30:43
  So for anybody wanting to know more about, return on relationships and authentic
• 30:49
  leadership working with resilient teams.
• 30:52
  You know, please go to roxanderhodge.com forward slash book and you can, pre order a
• 30:59
  copy And again, Carolyn, thanks so much for spending the time and for everyone listening.
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  Thank you so much.
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  I'm so grateful that you take the time every single week to hang out with me.
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  Take care.
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