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Friday Mornings with Jack Windsor - Dewine's Fingers in the Haitian Springfield Crisis · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Hey, thirty here fifty five ker CD talk station, A
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  Speaker 1: very very happy for Fritay to you the return of
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  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor from the igh Press Network.
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  Speaker 2: He is there. I see him on the screen. You're lucky.
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  Speaker 1: I'm lucky I get to see Jack, he said, because
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  Speaker 1: he gets to see me, but we get some great
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  Speaker 1: topics to talk about. Welcome back from the High Press
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  Speaker 1: Network and host of the Windsor Report, Jack Windsor. Great
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  Speaker 1: to have you on the show. It's a blessing and
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  Speaker 1: an honor to be here. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what year you graduated from high school, Jack,
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  Speaker 1: but I sure look back on my days. I graduated
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  Speaker 1: in eighty three, and all the days we were let
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  Speaker 1: out of school to protest, we used to hit the ground,
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  Speaker 1: run and the teachers were behind us, we all and
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  Speaker 1: it was we were out there doing right wing activism.
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  Speaker 1: We were voting for Reagan. Yeah, no, that never happened, Jack,
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  Speaker 1: Now once never. How in the hell have we We've
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  Speaker 1: gone from an era where you went to school and
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  Speaker 1: you studied what we thought were appropriate things to study
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  Speaker 1: in school, but they didn't involve political engagement. In political activism,
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  Speaker 1: we talked conceptually about it during our Civics class that
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  Speaker 1: we do have a First Amendment right to free speech,
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  Speaker 1: but not during academic hours.
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  Speaker 2: So we've gone a long way from those.
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  Speaker 1: Days, Jack, and I see lots of schools across this
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  Speaker 1: land all being let out. Kids are taking into the
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  Speaker 1: street and protesting, and it's all very well organized. On
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  Speaker 1: top of it. Your reaction to this, your explanation and
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  Speaker 1: break down, Jack windsor Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So we covered a story about Gahannah Lincoln High School,
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  Speaker 3: which is a Columbus, Ohio suburb. But as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 3: the same things are happening all around the Buckeye State.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm going to go to the fallout before I
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  Speaker 3: go to what happened. The fallout right now is exactly
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  Speaker 3: what you said. There are parents going out. Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 3: what if a group of students created signs and wanted
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  Speaker 3: to walk out in support of President Trump and his
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  Speaker 3: implementation of border border patrol activities in order to enforce
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  Speaker 3: federal border law. Would schools cooperate? And let's be the
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  Speaker 3: answer is no, No, they wouldn't. They would give a
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  Speaker 3: lot more resistance. And so that's really kind of the
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  Speaker 3: backdrop of sentiment here in central Ohio.
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  Speaker 4: At least folks that we hear from.
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  Speaker 3: And on February fourth, Hanna Lincoln High School students they
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  Speaker 3: staged a walkout and the principle there, Jessica Williams, emailed
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  Speaker 3: families beforehand urging class attendance. While she said she respected
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  Speaker 3: peaceful expression. Well, there were signs like fornicate ice is
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  Speaker 3: the way that I will put it, and there were
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  Speaker 3: chants of fornicate ice from the crowd. There was another
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  Speaker 3: sign that spoke very negatively and derogatorily about Trump and
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  Speaker 3: his supporters and had vote blue at the bottom. And
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  Speaker 3: one anonymous parent said that after the events that day
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  Speaker 3: that his daughter sent a message and said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't feel safe and secure in my school, not
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  Speaker 3: only because of what happened, but because of the ongoing
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  Speaker 3: activism in the schools. There's kind of this civil war
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  Speaker 3: environment now where it's activist teachers and folks on students
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  Speaker 3: on the left who are saying, if if you agree
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  Speaker 3: with what's going on with Trump and Ice agents, then
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  Speaker 3: you know the classic labels right, xenophobe, nationalist, trumper, maga, idiot,
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  Speaker 3: all of these things.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and the all important I'm the present racist.
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  Speaker 4: Racist that's it, racist, xenophobe, all of it.
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  Speaker 3: And what's really interesting the irony is that Gahannah Lincoln,
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  Speaker 3: for example, they have this acronym Pride pr id, you know,
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  Speaker 3: respect and integrity and decent, all these things, right, but
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  Speaker 3: yet you have students chanting profanities, you have other students
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  Speaker 3: feeling unsafe in their classrooms, and parents, more than one parent,
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  Speaker 3: three sets of parents reported to me that the word
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  Speaker 3: civil war was used. That's the vibe that the students
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  Speaker 3: are getting, that they're being pitted against each other. And so,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to call it what it is.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's comedy activists in the school here breaking spirits.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what they're doing. They're try trying to divide
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  Speaker 3: the students and use students against parents and against you know,
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  Speaker 3: any any worldview that the inning in the way.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I've observed this. I'm a pattern observer.
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  Speaker 1: Marie my friend out there, the conspiracy theorist anyway, No,
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  Speaker 1: she's not, She's a pattern observer.
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  Speaker 2: I can't too.
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  Speaker 1: And I've said this many times Jack. The left and
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  Speaker 1: it is hardcore communist activists, Marxist activists behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: organizing disparate groups of topics to be angry with each other.
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  Speaker 2: LGBTQ.
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  Speaker 1: Over here you got one side, or here you got
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  Speaker 1: the other. They'd scream and yell at each other. That's
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  Speaker 1: one area. Then in this area it's immigration and immigration enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: You know, open borders is one argument, closed borders is
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  Speaker 1: the other. But once you got them here, then you
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  Speaker 1: got these two sides of the EBB. But we need
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  Speaker 1: to get rid of the illegal immigrants. The other side
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  Speaker 1: screaming no, no, no. These are our friends and neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: and screaming and yell at each other. Pick another area.
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  Speaker 1: They're dividing us across the board. This is not i
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  Speaker 1: would argue Jack Winsor from the High Press, nor about
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  Speaker 1: how Ice is enforcing the law. It may be for some,
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  Speaker 1: this is more about stirring the pot of anger and
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  Speaker 1: division in this country to drive us all apart.
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  Speaker 3: It is, and by the way, there's an opportunity here
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  Speaker 3: for teachers. There's an opportunity here for students. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to talk about our irresponsible governor, if you don't mind,
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  Speaker 3: in just a moment, how he's spreading total ignorance. But
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  Speaker 3: there's an opportunity here for teachers to engage and say, look,
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  Speaker 3: you may not like the laws, but you should be
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  Speaker 3: abiding by them. And if you don't like them, here
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  Speaker 3: is the diplomatic way in which you can go about
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  Speaker 3: lobbying to change those.
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  Speaker 4: Bingo.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the other key ingredient. Whether it's the governor,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's Democrat lawmakers in the state house, or whether
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  Speaker 3: it's activist teachers, these folks seem to forget the fundamentals
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  Speaker 3: of the US Constitution. There is a thing called the
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  Speaker 3: Supremacy Clause, and that says, I mean it's it's Article
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  Speaker 3: SI to the Constitution. The federal government has absolute authority
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  Speaker 3: in things like establishing a post office. States can't establish
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  Speaker 3: their own post and also immigration policies and border policies.
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  Speaker 3: The federal government has absolute authority on that. Because states
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  Speaker 3: can't create their own border policies and laws. You'd have
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  Speaker 3: fifty sets of laws on the books and that would
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  Speaker 3: be total chaos. And so when these people push back
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  Speaker 3: and say, well, Ice is being you know, dictatorial or
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  Speaker 3: whatever it is, whatever the flavor of the day is,
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  Speaker 3: I just scratch my head and go First of all,
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  Speaker 3: if you're a lawmaker, there are Democrats in the Ohio
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  Speaker 3: House who are now trying to draft bills to restrict ICE.
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  Speaker 3: And then you have the governor on TV with Dana
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  Speaker 3: Bash on CNN doing a dog and pony show, and
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  Speaker 3: I go, did you guys like skip the week or
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  Speaker 3: the month or the quarter that civics was taught in
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  Speaker 3: high school?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is fundamental stuff that they're glossing over.
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  Speaker 2: Look, take a break.
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  Speaker 1: We'll bring Jack Windsor back talk about maybe another comment
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  Speaker 1: or two about Governor of Wine. And it is me
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  Speaker 1: sum up to say, it is quite revealing that this
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  Speaker 1: great civics opportunity to talk about the state of the
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  Speaker 1: law of the State of America, how things are supposed
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  Speaker 1: to work, regardless of how you feel. There's a process
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  Speaker 1: that they're not using this as an opportunity for that,
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  Speaker 1: but they are supporting the anti ice, angry left wing
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  Speaker 1: violence against ice.
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  Speaker 2: It's revealing of what.
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  Speaker 1: The teacher's true motivation is and their true political reality.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it's about. It's politics.
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  Speaker 1: It's not educating our children more with Jack wins Are
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  Speaker 1: editor in chief of that particular website and media outlet,
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  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor.
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  Speaker 2: Jack.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned Governor Mike Dwine. A lot of my friends
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of my listeners not real overwhelmingly happy
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  Speaker 1: with the well Governor Wine Dwine's performance. And we all
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  Speaker 1: can be critic could control Joe?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what it is? Oh? The troll?
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  Speaker 4: The troll?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: Anyhow, we also are very critical of little, seemingly little
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  Speaker 1: getting done in Columbus, which is overwhelming controlled by Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: I always refer to as hrting cats. But insofar as
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  Speaker 1: the protests are concerned, they center around immigration, illegal immigration,
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  Speaker 1: and enforcement of the laws that we just talked about.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned Governor Wane in that context, but he's also
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  Speaker 1: come up with the context of the Haitian community in Springfield.
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  Speaker 1: He's a little upset that the temporary protected status may
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  Speaker 1: very well go away. I know Christy Nomes said she
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  Speaker 1: was removing it, but a judge has stopped it. Now
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  Speaker 1: that isn't the definitive word on it. But I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Jack Governor de Wine says, this is talking about how
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  Speaker 1: bad it's going to be for Ohio's economy because the
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  Speaker 1: folks will lose their jobs, folks that are only able
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  Speaker 1: to work lawfully because of the designation of let me
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  Speaker 1: emphasize the appropriate word temporary protected status. If you're an employer,
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  Speaker 1: you're clearly hiring someone you know that may very well
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  Speaker 1: have the rug pulled out of their temporary status. So
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  Speaker 1: your eyes are wide open when you're doing it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, you can take this to the
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  Speaker 3: bank that DC Judge's ruling will get overturned, period.
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  Speaker 2: So this is just a delay.
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  Speaker 3: And so Governor Dwine was on CNN with Dana Bash
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  Speaker 3: talking about the roughly fifteen thousand Haitian immigrants in Springfield
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  Speaker 3: and he warns that removing them would be devastating to
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  Speaker 3: local businesses, and he said that many companies heavily rely
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  Speaker 3: on Haitian workers and that sudden federal enforcement would cause
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  Speaker 3: major economic damage to the region. And in the video, frankly,
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  Speaker 3: it's a pathetic display of weakness. I've posted it on
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  Speaker 3: my social platforms, and really it's open resistance to federal
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  Speaker 3: immigration law. So instead of supporting the lawful enforcement of
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  Speaker 3: America's borders, Dwine is actively lobbying to shield thousands of
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  Speaker 3: Haitians from deportation, even though they're temporary. As you just
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  Speaker 3: pointed out, protected status is expiring. And this isn't leadership.
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  Speaker 3: It's deliberate defiance of federal authority. And I want to
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  Speaker 3: get to this, this is important. There's the glaring hypocrisy here,
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  Speaker 3: the most shameless part. Just a few weeks ago, you'll
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  Speaker 3: remember Dwine coldly total Hio businesses selling legalized intoxicating hemp
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  Speaker 3: products that they quote knew the risks they were taking
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  Speaker 3: and deserved no protection when he banned them. Yet now
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  Speaker 3: he's singing a completely different tune, desperately begging the federal
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  Speaker 3: government to go easy on Springfield businesses that knowingly built
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  Speaker 3: their operations around a massive influx of Haitian migrants under
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  Speaker 3: temporary status.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, how much more glaring can can this hypocrisy be?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's obvious, and again your eyes are wide op.
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  Speaker 1: He can complain all day long about the loss of
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  Speaker 1: temporary status, but temporary by definition is temporary for God's sake.
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  Speaker 1: And if your business model is predicated upon and I
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  Speaker 1: suppose Jack, this comes down to cheaply because I had
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  Speaker 1: a question earlier. These businesses chose to hire the otherwise
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  Speaker 1: not lawfully able to work population based on this temporary status. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're safe hiring them to do these jobs we have.
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  Speaker 1: If they never got temporary status, they never were able
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  Speaker 1: to lawfully work, would these businesses be around, would they
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  Speaker 1: be elsewhere? Or would these jobs be open to American applicants,
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  Speaker 1: who I'm guessing probably would expect a higher wage.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So I want to hit that because I spent a
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  Speaker 3: lot of time in Springfield, Ohio last year, and in fact,
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  Speaker 3: then Vice president candidate JD Vance sent me several text
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  Speaker 3: messages and said, thank you for being one of the
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  Speaker 3: reporters that's actually telling the truth here.
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  Speaker 4: I coined a term last year.
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  Speaker 3: I was on Sebastian Gorka's TV show on Newsmax, I
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  Speaker 3: believe at the time, and I called it reverse offshoring.
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  Speaker 3: For a long time, businesses got black eyes, you remember,
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  Speaker 3: for building factories overseas with materials for pennies on the
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  Speaker 3: dollar and basically paying workers of bowl of rice and
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  Speaker 3: two said right, well, what the wine and the Biden
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  Speaker 3: open border policies and the Biden administration and Springfield leaders
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  Speaker 3: allowed to happen in Springfield.
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  Speaker 4: Was well, instead of doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Overseas, we're going to reverse offshore, We're going to traffic
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  Speaker 3: Haitians in And I covered it. I mean, you had
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  Speaker 3: some places where there were homes that would otherwise be
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  Speaker 3: rented to springfielders who were filled with twenty ten, fifteen,
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  Speaker 3: thirty Haitians because they would rent a bed to a
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  Speaker 3: Haitian for eight hours, and then when that Haitian was working,
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  Speaker 3: they'd rent the same bed to another Haitian for eight hours,
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  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, rents in the area
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  Speaker 3: go from eight hundred dollars to thirty five hundred dollars,
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  Speaker 3: so people get crowded out of housing. And we had
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  Speaker 3: people say to us, I went to that temporary staffing agency,
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  Speaker 3: I applied for a job. They never called me because
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  Speaker 3: I'm an American and I expect X amount per per hour.
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  Speaker 3: But they were hiring Haitians, you know, like it was
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  Speaker 3: nobody's business. So this is reverse offshoring, and Mike DeWine
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  Speaker 3: is trying to protect the trafficking of Haitians in Springfield, Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: We'll bring Jack Windsor back for one more, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more to unpackage on this very controversial immigration situation
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  Speaker 1: going on here at all Ohio Press Network dot com.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we find Jack Windsor and some great reporting,
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  Speaker 1: including the reporting on this whole situation in Springfield, the
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  Speaker 1: Haitian community you mentioned, Governor of Wine. It seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be a concerted effort to bring them. How why Jack,
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  Speaker 1: Why Springfield? Why the Haitian community? You mean a why
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  Speaker 1: not this Somalia? Why weren't they bringing Somalians in? Or
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  Speaker 1: why weren't they bringing Mexican labors in? Or why weren't
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  Speaker 1: they bringing I don't know, Chinese Communist Party military age men,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of those in the country.
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  Speaker 4: Bingo.
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  Speaker 3: Because Governor Mike Dwine had the Becky Dowine School in
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  Speaker 3: Haiti for years, I believe it is now defunct, but sadly,
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  Speaker 3: his daughter Becky was tragically killed in an auto accident,
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  Speaker 3: and so he and Fran Dowine constructed a school in
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  Speaker 3: Haiti for students there and named it after Becky. But
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  Speaker 3: Governor Mike DeWine has always had a soft spot in
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  Speaker 3: his heart for Haiti.
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  Speaker 4: And for Haitians.
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  Speaker 3: And unfortunately he seems to be a purveyor of lies,
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  Speaker 3: like some of the churches there in Springfield that say
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  Speaker 3: there's no such thing as an illegal there's no such
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  Speaker 3: thing as an illegal human being to justify bringing Haitians
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  Speaker 3: in and allowing them to cut in front of others
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  Speaker 3: in the line. And by the way, I think Dwine
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  Speaker 3: was born in Springfield, Ohio, so that's technically his stomping grounds.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's why. I think it's because he
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  Speaker 4: has ties to Haiti.
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  Speaker 3: I think that you know, that is his area, and
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  Speaker 3: he probably has long lasting relationships with leaders in that area,
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  Speaker 3: whether business or government, and really just did the deal
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  Speaker 3: behind the scenes and said, oh, okay, you need some
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  Speaker 3: cheap labor, no worries, we'll bring in some Haitians. Because
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  Speaker 3: you know, there was an earthquake there in twenty ten,
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  Speaker 3: right sixteen years later, we're still giving them temporary protected status,
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  Speaker 3: which is why the Trump administration is closing that down.
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  Speaker 2: Well in you know, just in a nod to truth.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that the judge who put the halt
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  Speaker 1: on this struggled with the idea that we still have
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  Speaker 1: a State department warning about do not travel to Haiti
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  Speaker 1: for any reason. So how can you justify the things
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  Speaker 1: have improved in Haiti? Is the point where you can
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  Speaker 1: get rid of temporary work status. I kind of get
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  Speaker 1: that on some level, because by all accounts, Haiti is
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  Speaker 1: objectively a hellhole run by gangs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, until you understand that Article two
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  Speaker 3: of the Constitution endows the executive branch with the enforcement
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  Speaker 3: of laws, and Trump can pick whoever he wants within
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  Speaker 3: each administrative as the head and as the workers to
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  Speaker 3: do the bidding, and so he has the authority to say, no,
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  Speaker 3: here are the border laws, and this was an order previously,
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  Speaker 3: and we are going to undo that. And the judge
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  Speaker 3: can be stymied all she wants. But the reality is,
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  Speaker 3: here's the other hard part for a lot of liberals
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  Speaker 3: to understand. District federal judges don't have the authority to
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  Speaker 3: check the president. Only the Supreme Court of the United
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  Speaker 3: States does. The only time that a federal district judge
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  Speaker 3: can say the ruling here applies to the parties beyond
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  Speaker 3: those in this case is if it's a class action lawsuit,
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  Speaker 3: which this is not. So for those reasons, this is
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  Speaker 3: going to get overturned at the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 2: Very valid legal pointing on that one. Subtle but very valid.
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  Speaker 3: Jack.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you raising that. Any comments on my friend Maureen,
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  Speaker 1: He's always on top of these things. The House Bill
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  Speaker 1: six executives apparently on trial, and they're from the Shenanigans.
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  Speaker 1: This is what landed Larry Householder in prison for the
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  Speaker 1: First Energy scandal with the nuclear power plans. A lot
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  Speaker 1: a lot of corruption going on in there. Going back
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  Speaker 1: to Governor de Wine, any suggestion maybe that this trial
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  Speaker 1: might reveal his greater involvement than we've been led to
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  Speaker 1: believe before. Is there something there there, Jack Windsor in
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  Speaker 1: your estimation, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think there's always been something there. I cannot be judge
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  Speaker 3: jury an executioner. However, I will tell you that the Wine,
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  Speaker 3: against the recommendations of wise people around him, appointed Sam
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  Speaker 3: Randazzo to lead the agency that would allow some of
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  Speaker 3: these things with House Bill six to happen and First
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  Speaker 3: Energy to happen. And Randazzo obviously was convicted committed suicide
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: because of the fallout. And you know, I think Mike
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: DeWine probably has enough people between him and some of
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: the activities that are being investigated to have plausible deniability.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: But I think many fair minded people understand that, you know,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Governor Dwine met with these two individuals that are on
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: trial soon after being elected, so look to pretend like
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: he didn't know what was going on. I think what
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: it's going to come down to is this lobbying is
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  Speaker 3: legal in this country, and so what did these folks
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: do with respect to influence, whether that be money or
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: otherwise that crosses the line. And what was Governor Mike
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: DeWine's role in that? And he is still saying he's
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: not sure if he's going to be called and whether
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: he's going to have to submit testimony.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: But again, I think fair minded people recognize that this
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: is a deal that Governor Mike Dwine helped broker.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I suppose he doesn't have to worry about his
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: political future given his age and term limits and all that,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: so he'll fade off into the sunset. I suppose Jack
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: windsor maybe with no accountability. Jack, I appreciate you following
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: all these great topics. The Ohio Pressnetwork dot com is
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: where you find Jack each and every day of the week.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Recommend you book mark the site and tune into the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: morning show every Friday because we're going to continue doing this,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: aren't we.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Jack