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Thriving at Every Mile: Running Marathons with Stage 4 Breast Cancer with Anne Keane (@adjewelry) · At Your Own Pace

• MikeRunsMarathons: Hello everybody and welcome back to At Your Own Pace. This is the show for runners who are showing up however they can on whatever week life is handing them. I'm Mike, Mike runs marathons, and whether you're chasing a Boston qualifier, your first five K or just the next mile, you're in the right place. Every Wednesday, we open up with a little real talk for my week on the run, then we sit down with someone whose story is going to leave you a little bit more fired up than when you press play. So lace up, settle in, and let's run this one together. My guest today is a woman named Anne Keene. She is Probably one of the most inspirational people I've ever met. I got in contact her. I got in contact with her actually through one of my other guests, Christina, which if you if you haven't listened to her episode yet, it is definitely worth checking out. But Anne is someone who has not suffered but thrived with stage four breast cancer for the last 10 years. She has lived a life far beyond what she expected. And the beautiful thing is she discovered marathons. And she is someone who has thrived with breast cancer for the last ten years. She says thrive because she doesn't want something like this to define her and hold her back from living a life that she wants to live. And We had such a great conversation going back and forth, talking about her story, about how she got to where she is today, and how she's run two marathons, the Tokyo and Chicago Marathons, pretty recently, and her goal to run all of the world marathon majors if she can. And one thing that really stuck out with me was the fact that she talked about planning things in the future, and she she told me that the fact that she's able to do that whilst having stage four breast cancer is something that speaks testament to her will to live and her perseverance and resilience to push forward and chase those dreams that she has. And if you check out her art, which is at AD Jewelry on Instagram, you will find just amazing pieces of amazing pieces that she has designed herself and something that she uses as an outlet and something that she just genuinely loves to do. She's also run for Dana Farber for cancer research. And it's it's just phenomenal to see her chase her goals, chase her dreams, and frankly not let cancer hold her back, define her, or make her feel like she has to live a certain life or act a certain way. And definitely inspired me. And we connected on several pieces of our stories together. But before we get started with Anne's story, I wanna start where we always start, which is with a check in. So here's what's been on my mind this week. I've I've been and I'll be perfectly honest with all of you, exhausted. I've truly begun marathon training for the Chicago Marathon and the New York City Marathon and the Philadelphia Marathon for the end of the year. And it has been And I'm happy because the past two weeks have gone really well. I feel like I've gotten my stride back and that I'm really back in marathon mode. But I've neglected to r know, to remember that I not only have my marathon training work, but I also have my dad life now, and I have the content that I create for all of you, the podcast, the the videos, the posts about my runs, my stories, and it can feel like a lot of times. And there are there have been days actually this week where I've fallen asleep like nine, ten o'clock at night, and I I tell myself that I should be exercising or I should be doing something else, but I'm just too tired to do it. And It's not it's not gonna stop me though from doing what I love, which is creating the content that I want for you, showcasing different products that I love and that I genuinely use in my everyday life, interviewing runners for this podcast, which is probably one of my favorite things about being a content creator, and trying to inspire new runners and runners thinking about getting started with their running journeys, and hopefully experienced runners who might need a little bit of extra motivation to get out there and hit the trail, hit the pavement, run their best race. Because I genuinely feel like I have found my calling in my life. I'm thirty-eight years old and I've struggled a lot with trying to find out who I am. And I put on a l lot of different hats and it's been Something that I've been trying to find for so long. And when I discovered running, I did not expect it to turn into something like this. What I expected it to do was just essentially be an outlet for me to go out and exercise, clear my mind, get a little bit healthier, lose some weight, help my heart with my high blood pressure. And that was kind of it. I wasn't interested in the initially in the social aspect or Trying to run a marathon. I just wanted to get healthier. And but as time has gone on, I've the past two years have been life-changing for me. I have felt like there has been a door that has been opened in my mind that has shown me. that this is my calling. Supporting all of you, creating content for runners and coaching. Speaking with runners to understand and learn their stories and get them out there for other people. I feel like this is what I meant to do. And yes, I know this will potentially not replace my nine to five job, but this is this is it for me. Like this is what this is what I want to do consistently for all of you. And it gives me happiness. It gives me meaning in a way that I never saw before. You know, I've worked primarily in my professional life in public service. I've started my professional career right out of college as a high school history teacher. I worked for government for New York City. I worked for a number of nonprofits. And even the work I do now, even though it's with a private company, it deals with the public sector. So I still feel like I'm on that trajectory and and that's what I felt like was gonna give me a sense of purpose. But I've learned now that Your job potentially is your job. No, I don't wanna talk about that. But I found that there's something else that gives me even a greater feeling of Accomplishment and just genuine happiness and that is running and speaking about it on social media. So even though I'm exhausted, I still push through because at the end of the day, that exhaustion might be there. But so is the happiness and so is the the gratitude that I have for all of you who watch and listen to my videos, to my podcasts, who reach out to me about coaching, who have questions about running that need support. Like that is incredible. And I'm just so grateful and happy that I get to do this and have the capabilities to do this. And even more grateful that you follow me just in general because I started this account just kind of throwing things at the wall, hoping that someone would listen to me talking about inclusivity and running, to talking about how trans runners need to be safe, female runners need to be safe, minority runners need to feel safe, people who live in areas that are potentially not necessarily a great area for running need to feel safe. And I have found a community of people that I Genuinely didn't did not think that I was going to find. So I know that this whole check-in was me initially starting with talking about exhaustion and feeling like it was going to lead to something bad. But in I the more I think about it, the more I realize that it's a good exhaustion. You know, it's not. It's not something that makes me feel sad at the end of the day. It's it's kind of like a fulfillment exhaustion. I've done my best and That makes me happy. Now every day it doesn't feel like I've I've fulfilled a lot, but I still feel happy. But that's my week. And I really thank you for listening to this portion of the podcast. I know that this is the first season where I've decided to start talking about me. And it if you you know, it it makes me really happy that you're interested in who I am and my life, how I'm feeling, what's going on in my week, and You know, the only word that I can just use and I've used it multiple times so far is just gratitude. So thank you, thank you, thank you. But I don't want to waste any more time. You know the drill. Grab some water, find your stride, and meet me in the conversation because I cannot wait for you to hear Anne's story. Because not it it it was just a fantastic conversation that we had, and I really think you're gonna enjoy it. So without further ado, let's get into the interview. Some people decide to run a marathon, and there are some people that decide to keep running marathons while doing one of the most hardest things a person can do. My guest today is My guest today is the second kind of person. Her name is Ann Keen, and her bio reads like a list of things to fall in love with. Jewelry designer, Ruby's mom, thriving with stage four breast cancer. She's a Palatine writer, and she's chasing the sixth. World Marathon Majors for the Dana Farber Marathon Challenge. I want you to read that again. I want you to hear that again, not read. Thriving. Not surviving. Not battling. Thriving. Anne's base just right outside of Boston. She designs jewelry through her brand Flock Boston, which is the kind of work that takes a steady hand and an artist's heart. She is a mom to a daughter she loves out loud. And on top of all that, she has chosen to spend her miles running from one of the most important cancer research institutions in the world, the place that is part of her own story. She's the kind of person the show is built for and the runner who reminds you that the miles are never just about the miles. So let me welcome in Anne. Thank you so much for being here today. Anne Keane: Thanks, Mike. I really appreciate it. MikeRunsMarathons: Course, of course. How are you doing? Anne Keane: I'm doing well. I mean, I'm sweating here in Boston. so outside of that, you know, otherwise doing great. MikeRunsMarathons: I feel you on that. Yeah, it's so hot in the northeast. I don't know where this came from. It was pouring earlier today and then it just decided to become incredibly hot. And I made the mistake of trying to go for a run. So I died halfway through and needed to get an Uber to come back. man. But speaking of that, how's your training going? What is there anything you're training for? Anne Keane: Ha ha ha. Right now I am on the cusp of starting my training for Berlin. So I'm kind of in the down cycle. I I ran Tokyo in March and so have just p kind of doing some some maintenance work. you know, doing my clamshells and all those middle, you know, little tiny muscle work to get me nice and stable and ready to log some extra miles. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. No, I I completely hear you on that. The clamshells, the the hip bridges, all that stuff. It's it's it's so important for your training. How did you get into Berlin? Are you running with Dana Farber? Anne Keane: Yeah. I am running with Dana Farver. I'm actually really proud to to say that I got a bib through them and and this is actually, you know, I'm I'm trying to run all of the majors with with that team. so yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: That is incredible. Incredible. I love that. I love charity runners. I've run after I'm doing New York again for the sixth time this year, but I I get in every year through their nine plus one program, so I don't have to like apply or anything, but I decided that I wanted to do it with the charity. So after New York this year, I'll have run every single World Marathon major with at least one charity. so I'm really happy about that. I love charity runners. I think in my opinion that they are more important than the qualifiers yeah, absolutely. But I wanted to Anne Keane: Mike, I feel like Mike, just really quick. there is a delay I think it might be because can I turn my video off? Is that okay? I don't know if you're getting a Mm. MikeRunsMarathons: That's fine. Yeah. I I'm not getting a delay. Sometimes after I record and I go back, I Like you'll start talking and then I'll answer the I it's it'll be like the question before it. So me turn I'll turn my mic off my camera off too. does that sound better? and more important than the people they get into the lottery, even though they're very lucky. I think that the charity runners with what they raise money for and how difficult it is to raise money are like a beast within themselves and on a whole different class of runner. Because when you raise money, especially for these marathons now, as they keep raising the minimum amount, it's like a second job. And it's so stressful to do. And it also gets a little like frustrating to keep asking the same well. Anne Keane: Got it. Okay. It seems better. Like I'm hearing it's streaming your c your your VO like a lot better. MikeRunsMarathons: Is that right? Okay. Okay, cool. Yeah, I do a technically portion, a podcast version of this that YouTube. but honestly I don't even care because the majority of the people the majority of the people listen to it in audio anyway. I also didn't know that it was there was a that went online until I went to my YouTube that they were all So yeah, so I was like, it's a good thing that I we I look at least. Anne Keane: Really is. MikeRunsMarathons: Frustrating for the other people when you keep asking them for money. so I give every single charity runner major kudos for what they do because it is it's difficult, but the outcomes are just indescribable because of what who you help, what you do, the services that you're able to provide, what have you. It's just it's an incredible thing. And it makes me really happy to that we have charity runners within each of these world marathon majors. Anne Keane: Mm. Yes. Yeah. my gosh. MikeRunsMarathons: but no, this is fine. This is totally fine. Especially I'm internet in this room in this hotel is just terrible. totally fine with me. But yeah, what I want to start I know you're you're a charity runner with Dana Farber, and you've run several of the World Marathon majors with them, and you're trying to achieve that six star goal. But I want to go back before the six star journey, before Dana Farber's team, what did running look to you Anne Keane: That's different. Yeah, for for sure. I mean it's it it means a lot. It means a lot. MikeRunsMarathons: But I wanted to start What did running look like to you in in your life? Like when did it start? Why did it start? and what got you to begin that journey? Anne Keane: it's a great question. So I was actually never a runner. I really wasn't. I when I was in college, I actually was lucky enough. I swam and played water polo for the University of Massachusetts. In fact, the cross training for swimming was actually running, but because I played water polo, I got out of it. And I was like so happily to be logging, you know, so happy to be logging more time in the pool than I was outside running. but when I started really running was during the pandemic. I think a lot of people went out and made sourdough bread, and that was not the case for me. I needed to get out. and I s picked up running with a neighbor of mine who happens to be the mother of my daughter's, you know, one of my daughter's best friends. And so we started logging a couple miles here and there just really to get out of the house. and after, you know, putting a little bit more miles you know, logging a few more here and there, we started kicking around the idea of maybe we should run a marathon, together. So that's kinda how it started. MikeRunsMarathons: Amazing. So you you so you started with the pandemic. How did you go from just running a few miles to to saying I wanna run a marathon? That that's a massive jump right there. Anne Keane: Yeah. Yeah, well, she actually had run a couple b marathons before. And I think, you know, just being you know, wanting to have some type of goal. I always had thought about running Boston, but I was just a little bit too nervous. And again, I was never a really a runner, but it was something that, you know, if if you live in Boston, you know about the Boston Marathon. And so it was more of just something like, maybe maybe we should should we do that? Know maybe I don't know. Kind of one of those kind of conversations. And then you know, I started to have some more some more questions that I was asking her about it. And I'm like, I I think I can do this. I I actually think I can do this. So it just I think it was just through through more conversations and and and whatnot. And then, you know, it eventually went to having conversations with my oncologist about it. So Yeah, and and physically is that something that I could even do. MikeRunsMarathons: yeah, that makes sense. so you jumped in sh n with the Boston Marathon. You you said I want to do that because it's it is the Boston Marathon. It's the marathon that is in my town and it's one of the it pr it is probably the most well known marathon in the world. and so that's the one that you started with. Wow, you what's funny is that was the last marathon for me in my six star journey. I knew that that was going to be Anne Keane: Right. Mm-hmm. Mm. Yes, yes. really? MikeRunsMarathons: Most difficult one for because I was gonna have to do a charity and that was going to require a lot of money to raise. So I was like, let me get the rest of them out of the way. And then I went to Boston. And ironically, I have now run Boston for the last three years. So even yeah, so even though I did it with the charity to finish the first time, I got offered to run with shocks in 2024 or 2025. And then in 2026, I actually qualified. So it was like, yeah, it was like Anne Keane: Mm. it's fantastic. MikeRunsMarathons: Unlike anything that I ever thought would ever happen in my life. So but jumping in headfirst and one into saying, can we do this? I think we can do this. Let's like just let's just try to do this, I think is so it's such a marathon runner thing to do. Because I don't think any sane person really wakes up one day and says, you know what, I'm gonna run a marathon. I I I think the vast majority of us go, Can I do this? And I don't know. Let me sign up for this and see what happens. Can I let's see if I can get to the finish line. I feel like that's just like what what we've heard. Anne Keane: Right. Like can I can I even get in? If I get in, then I'll figure it out kind of approach. MikeRunsMarathons: Exactly, exactly. And it's funny with the charity because if you get in, your first thought before that is, Yeah, let's see if I get in. And then after you get in, you go, How how am I gonna raise this money? Anne Keane: A hundred percent, right? Like my gosh, this is a big check I'm gonna have to write if I don't make this happen. MikeRunsMarathons: my god, exactly. This they you sign your life away. Now, so you decide that you want to run the Boston Marathon during COVID. Was there anything else that was going on during that time that kind of like accelerated that want or that need to to jump headfirst into this marathon? Anne Keane: So I would say, you know, I I was actually diagnosed with stage four breast cancer back in 2015. Sorry, 2016. when I was diagnosed, it where let me start over. This is it mapping of this is a little bit tricky. So Let me take a step back. So you had asked, So I had definitely something else going on, and that was the fact that I was living with stage four breast cancer. I was diagnosed in 2016 with what's called de novo, meaning that I was stage four at the onset, meaning that it already had spread to my best breath spread beyond my breast. And was in my lungs, my liver, my bones, etc. And to in the early phase of my diagnosis, I really struggled to even get out of bed. it was a lot, you know, physically, emotionally, and there was a lot of side effects. I was taking a lot of medication to help. my digestive system and other things. And slowly over time I started to kind of reclaim my body. you know, being a college athlete and whatnot, I felt I needed to get back in working out. I needed to get back to moving and feeling better. And luckily I I was able to drop one of the medications as a result Of the kind of the timeline that I was in. And in dropping that medication, I started to feel better. So I picked up, we got it, we ended up getting a Peloton bike, and I became an avid Peloton user. And then over time, you know, the pandemic hits, and now it's like, I gotta get out of my house, you know. it's not just enough to to be riding the Peloton in the basement. And so that in the process of that. kind of journey, I started to pick up the running with my friend. And so naturally when you start to entertain ideas about these significant physical activities, I have to go and talk to my oncologist about it. And I, you know, with the the breast cancer in my bones, I was genuinely concerned like physically, is this something that I should be even doing? and my oncologist said, yes, you you can go do these things. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Anne Keane: And I'm pretty sure she put a little note in the the Dana Farber inbox about a a girl who w might want to run this this marathon and maybe maybe take a look at her her application with a different set of eyes. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm. That is that is such an incredible story. I mean, to be able to start from where you were, and I mean, I'm glad you went the smart way of asking to make sure that this was something you can do because I know that so many people don't, and then there ends up being massive issues that come about because of that. but so you you and I I I agree with you with the getting out of the house thing, because when COVID hit Anne Keane: Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: So I was a runner, but I was going through massive shin splints. So I like every step was like agony when I would try to run. So I bought a folding bike and I lived in New York City at the time. And I literally rode like the entire island of Manhattan, Brooklyn, parts of Queens. Like I was all over the city with it. And I don't think I have ever ridden the bike more in my life than when I got that. Anne Keane: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: I did end up getting a Peloton by at the end of twenty twenty. What's your what's your Peloton leaderboard name? Anne Keane: it's A D jewelry. MikeRunsMarathons: Okay. Okay. Same as your Instagram name. Cool. Okay. So it'll be easy for people to come and find you. I will I'll follow you after actually after we do the recording. I actually manage a Peloton group on Facebook called the Positive Peloton Group. I'm not sure if you've heard of it, but we Yeah, we have about eighty. Yeah, we have about eighty thousand members. started it as like a one off against Peloton's really Anne Keane: Yes, yes. Awesome. no way. I haven't. I'm gonna have to look this up. MikeRunsMarathons: Toxic original Facebook group. And somehow people started recommending it and it exploded. And so now it's where it's at now. And I am still very shocked by it. but I want to talk about so you you start running during COVID, get get checked to make sure you can run the Boston Marathon and everything. Did you have any races before that? Like how did you train for the Boston Marathon? Anne Keane: Yeah. So I didn't have races ahead of that. I it was, you know, I I followed the program that the Dana Farber running coach, Jack Fultz, who won Boston many moons ago. he, you know, outlines kind of a program and I I just followed it to the letter. I mean, literally checking off every single day, everything that he had written out, I did. and so I would say, you know, while I wasn't a runner, I was a long distance swimmer, right? So in college, swimming and and playing water polo, like I just I have the ability to I can choke that I'm like a turtle. Like I can keep going. You really I'm not a fast runner by any means, but if you say, and you've got to do X, Y, and Z, I will do that X, Y, and Z workout, exactly that it's written. So While I didn't log any other races previous to that to that Boston marathon or do any of that for as part of the training, I still, you know, followed the the workout regimen really religiously. MikeRunsMarathons: Nice, nice. That's awesome. And so your first race was the Boston Americans. That is that's why Anne Keane: I mean I had done like five K's here and there, but like that was, you know, when you go out with your friends and you're like, should we do a five K and you go out and you dr you're drinking or whatever you're you know, the night before th that yeah, that doesn't really count. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm. That is that is that is so cool actually. I can't I can't imagine what it's like for that to be your very first race. That is that is like the the creme de la creme of first first races. And I'm assuming that Anne Keane: Kinda made a leap there, Mike. I should've gone with the sourdough bread stuff. MikeRunsMarathons: I think about that all the time about whether or not I should have done that too. So I'm assuming that and I probably know the answer to this, but what was so you've done a couple of these world marathon majors, and I'm pretty sure you've probably done some races in between. But what was the Really? my goodness, you are a beast. So you just go from w one world marathon major to the next. Anne Keane: Ha ha ha. Mm-hmm. No, only marathons. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, right now I'm in a stretch where I'm doing two a year. and so I I think also like I'm a mom, right? And so I also am very conscious of the amount of time, I think also being a cancer patient. Like I'm con I'm very conscious of the time that I have with my family and my daughter. So when you go and you do your long runs or your training and you're waking up. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Anne Keane: In the morning, because this, I mean, I run early in the morning. I'm effectively waking everybody else up in the house. You know, I'm the one that on the weekends, if you do the long run, like I'm exhausted. I want to be on the couch. I want to be resting. I don't want to go and do other things. Whereas, you know, in those downtimes, in between the marathons, I want to go, I want to wake up and make breakfast for my kiddo, you know, on a Sunday morning. I don't want to be going and logging miles. So that's I say that, that I'm very conscious of it. I mean, I would I like to do more? sure, absolutely, but I have I have responsibilities that I I prioritize over that. your your question of what you you knew the answer to. MikeRunsMarathons: No, that you you no this is actually even this actually makes it an even better question because since you've only done the world marathon majors, I might know the answer to this, but which one meant the most to you and what did it teach you about what you were capable of? Anne Keane: wow. It's I mean, it was the first, right? The first first Boston. I think running with running is such an individual sport, right? You're oftentime unless you're part of a club or or something like that, which is is fantastic. But where where I was at in my journey for the most part, I was running by myself. I mean, there was certainly I tr I definitely trained with with my friend here and there, but MikeRunsMarathons: Offer. Anne Keane: As time has progressed, I'm doing this journey kind of by myself. and so while it is an incredibly individual sport for me, I am bolstered by this larger community that is connected to the Dana Farber, right? The Dana Farber team is very big, especially for Boston. there's roughly 500 runners that do do that as part of the the charity team every year. And I think When I first did my really long the longest run I did with the Dana Farber team, and I met all of these really incredible people who had all been touched by cancer in some way, right? A family member or they had been through it or something. And you feel like you're doing something bigger than yours for something bigger than yourself. Right. And and selfishly I'm raising money for cancer research, which is something that hits me really you know, hits me really home. Hits home for me really. And when you start to meet these other people and you talk to people who have lost their child or whatever it might be, you you are you you wanna continue. There is no, okay, one and done. you have to keep going because you're reminded of these stories and new people are coming through. And so I think it it I'd say that it taught me that I can, you know, do hard things, but I kind of already knew that as part of my cancer journey. Like I can, I can, I can do this. I can keep getting up every day and I can keep going and getting treatment. and now it was I can keep doing that. despite y you know, having to log miles and, you know, do all of those other things and work. And I think, you know, now I look at it as these are things that my daughter is now old enough where she can start to understand what what all of this means and w and doing something bigger, something for bigger than yourself, and and how important that is as just a as just a human. MikeRunsMarathons: No, I I I love that. And I think it's so powerful to teach your child not only can I do hard things and can I push through, you know, what what is happening because it teaches you about perseverance and resilience in life in general. But I love that you're teaching her to get back. Because I think there's so many people that don't do anything like that with their children. And they they don't Understand kind of that empathetic mindset that you would get if you were to go this route of teaching your children about the need to give back. And also letting them know like what giving back does. like. Anne Keane: Mm. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: This is what Dana Farber does. This is what my money is going towards because it it's it's I don't want to say it's straightforward, but it's much easier to explain than some other charities, which might be a little bit more convoluted. but no, I I really love that you're not only teaching her about resilience and perseverance, but giving her that empathetic mindset so that she knows how important it is to give back to society and to people to help other people. and yeah, hey, who knows, maybe one day she'll grow up to be a charity. Anne Keane: Mm. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: runner of her own, which would be which would be fantastic. That's what I would love to do with my daughter. now a lot of runners, yeah. Anne Keane: Yeah. Mike actually I was just gonna say she actually just started this year is her first year participating in a program called Girls on the Run. And she just Yeah, it's really fantastic. And she had a lemonade stand with one of her teammates. and they raised close to $200, which gives back to help girls participate in running. MikeRunsMarathons: I love that I love that organization. Anne Keane: Which is fantastic. so it's actually kind of coming full circle. Like you're seeing this this kind of participation and, you know, desire to want to help other people, which is really great. MikeRunsMarathons: I love that. I love it. And it so I don't even have to say I hope she does it. She's already doing it. And that is fantastic. I love that so much. Now, there's a lot of runners, they find the sport in chapters, right? There's a beginning chapter, there's like an obsession chapter, there's a quiet chapter. What chapter would you say that you're probably in right now with your runners? Anne Keane: Yeah. Mm. Sure. Hmm, I would call it I'd probably call it the grind because coming off of the Tokyo training cycle, which you know, I know you, you know, where where you live, like the weather was just horrible this winter. And I ran Tokyo by myself. I trained for Tokyo by myself, and that was just so hard. I I part one of the side effects of my cancer is that I do have bone pain when it's cold out or like if I go into like we live really close to the ocean so if I go into the ocean and the water's really cold like that pain is like it is so hard. I think running kind of masks it like my mu the pain in my muscles almost mask the pain in my bones. So I would say that you know that aspect of it was really hard. And the idea of like, my gosh, now I'm about to go and start running in this humidity. am just it's it's a grind. So doing two, I think I was I was doing one marathon a year. That was with Boston, and now I'm doing basically two a year. So I would call it the grind. And then also, like you mentioned, the fundraising aspect, right? So coming up with unique. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah. Anne Keane: ideas and ways to keep tapping into my network or other networks to help raise the money is is the other aspect of this. MikeRunsMarathons: Okay. Yeah. No, I I have this is nothing compared to what you probably go through, but I have rain odds. So during the winter, my hands essentially freeze solid if it's cold at all, and especially during the winter. So I do a lot of my winter training actually inside on a treadmill. I think I ran the majority of my training for for Boston this year on a treadmill because I just did it one inside because of my hands. Anne Keane: My gosh. Wow. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: 'cause they get they physically hurt and I like they've I can't bend them and then I can't put them in like warm water because then they burn and it hurts. And so I try to kind of deal with it. but I I can only imagine, you know, that the bone pain that you go through. And this yeah, like you said, this this entire winter has been so messed up. My wife and I gave birth during the massive ice storm that was in January. so we were actually stuck at the hospital. I could not move the car. Anne Keane: Yeah, yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Because there was so much ice underneath of it. Yeah, yeah. So luckily it luckily it was during the part where we were recovering, so we were there for a couple of days. But I tried to get the car out so I could go get some stuff from home and I could not back out. So it was a it was a massive struggle. But no Anne Keane: my gosh. That's wild. Ruby was actually born in a snowstorm as well back in in because she was born on January first and similarly like massive snowstorm, which I, you know, looking forward was was actually a blessing because it meant that my husband could stay home longer. You know, like he wouldn't have to go into the office because the snowstorm was so bad. and every day that that would come through and I'd be like, Yes. MikeRunsMarathons: I mean Yeah. Yeah, we it was funny. The day before the snowstorm, the on the the new mom floor, they discharged like ten people because they were like, We want to get you out of here before the snowstorm hits. And we were like for us, they were like, We can't discharge you because you just had the baby. So we were we were stuck. Yeah. Well, I mean, we were fine. We were like, Okay, this is great. We're s surrounded by doctors and nurses in case anything goes wrong with our baby. now Anne Keane: Yeah. Or you're like great. All the help. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: With your re with your I wanna say regular life, but with your your job, you are a jewelry designer, right? Requires a a Anne Keane: So I I'm a part-time jewelry designer. So I actually work in advertising. and that's my full time job. The jewelry design is because for the most part, my daytime job deals with emails and spreadsheets and not to say that it isn't creative, because it absolutely is, but I am not a creator in that sense. Like I'm an account person. and so the jewelry is where I'm able to kind of get my creative outlet and MikeRunsMarathons: Okay. Anne Keane: and play and and whatnot. MikeRunsMarathons: I love that. I love that. Yeah, that's kind of one of the reasons why I started this actu my account actually was because I was I do kind of the same thing and I was like, this is not going to be my entire life. which actually this is it's perfect that you said that because you know being a jewelry designer it requires a different kind of patience and a different kind of craft than you would with the twenty six point two miles that you run. But I'm pretty sure that in some way, because you're using your creativity, it's in like different aspects. Anne Keane: Yeah. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: How do these two things kind of talk to each other? Do does one feed the other, or is there some sort of connection between the two that you feel? Anne Keane: Ooh, that's a good question. I don't know that it would necessarily I don't know that I'd see a one-to-one mapping on it. I will say that as part, so I'm a completely self-taught jewelry designer. you know, it goes back many, many years, but I like watching YouTube videos and like trying to figure out how you make things or compile things. but Actually, on the most recent trip to Tokyo, we I made a point to stop at a bead store while I was there. And I wanted to pick out something special that made me think of the Tokyo marathon. So I picked out certain like really specific colors of glass beads, which align with the colors that are on the ribbon. that are like the Tokyo marathon metal. so it's like the oranges, reds. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm. Okay. Yeah. Anne Keane: yellows, like those colors. and then for Boston, I also created this pin slash other pieces that have these vintage glass charms that have like a unicorn on it, which is right the iconic logo for the the Boston marathon. So that's how I would see it overlaps is the so now I'm kind of trying to pivot to see how can I use the jewelry design MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah. Anne Keane: designer side of me to help fundraise for the marathons, right? So like if I'm creating these, you know, custom pieces, am I able to use that as a fundraising mechanism where, you know, the portions of the proceeds will go, yeah, the to the data farber. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Hmm. that's No, I love that. You'll have to I'm pretty sure your your account has a link to everything, right? On on Anne Keane: So it's a great question. I currently and you and I'm I'm currently just in a couple stores and I sell through Instagram. I you I did have an Etsy shop, but because I'm also trying to do all of the things, right? Like work full time, have a have a kid, it's it's really hard for me to maintain a d a digital storefront. So I just supply stores and then sell through Instagram. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah. Okay. Well that's cool. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to get I'm gonna have to grab something from you. Because I I'd love I have I had actually a friend made me a it's just a beep bracelet, but they made it for me for for Boston and I've been wearing it ever since. So I I have somehow fallen in love with wearing bracelets, so I would love to to to to buy something from you. sounds good. Now there's when you look at Anne Keane: Ha ha. Yeah, we'll work something out. MikeRunsMarathons: Jewelry making and you look at marathon running. There's a lot of words that describe both in the same way. So you have discipline, you have patience, you show up daily. You talked about, you know, you do all the things. And especially when you have this additional thing that you're trying to do on top being a parent and having a full-time job, it's it's very stressful, but you still show up for it. Do you do you see yourself the same way when you make jewelry as you do when you're on the road training? Anne Keane: So the I wouldn't equate it to working or or to jewelry because I think like my daytime job and the jewelry requires you to be creative in a different way. You know, you're problem solving or whatever it might be, and you're working with a team. So I think it's like it's just a different environment in a different setting. I think What the marathon training is most closely tracking with is the perseverance that's needed is very similar to what is happening with my cancer journey, right? It's the fact that I'm still going in and getting treatment regularly, that I still have to go in and get my scans and the anxiety that comes along with those. So it's It's the having to get up and go and do all of those things over and over and over and continue to get up and keep going. That is the the parallel there versus what you might see with a desk job that, you know, you're not you're not truly working on Saturday and Sunday, right? you are probably to some extent, but when it comes to work or it comes to jewelry design. it's not as as much of a mental challenge, if you will. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah. No, I completely hear you on that. And it's it's funny you you talk about your diagnosis because it kind of segues into my next question for you because your your Instagram bio says thriving with stage for breast cancer. And that word thriving is it's a choice to put that in there. Can you tell me about that word and what it means to you? Anne Keane: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think a lot of people use battle language when it comes to cancer. And for somebody who is stage four, I don't like those words. And I'll I'll explain why. For me, a battle in indicates there's a fight and that you have the possibility of winning. With stage four, unfortunately, that's not the case. there is No cure for what I have. you know, I'm on treatment for the the rest of my life. and so when I look at how I am choosing to live my life, despite my cancer diagnosis, I would say I'm thriving. I'm out here, I work full time, I can take care of my kid, and I can I can run marathons. Right. So I I am so lucky that my treatment plan and the side effects that I have are so it seems weird to say easy, but relatively easy to navigate right now, which allows me to thrive, to to keep going. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. And I know we talked about this before the show, but the I we talked about side effects and we talked about that it's different for everybody and that there are physical ones and there are mental ones. do you wanna do you wanna talk about that? Anne Keane: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think when you hear of somebody being diagnosed with cancer, you think of those physical things like seeing somebody lose their hair or they have to have surgery to remove a breast or, you know, their their vomiting or other ailments. And it's not to say that I haven't gone through my own Version of those things, especially earlier on in my diagnosis. But what's what I couldn't have even imagined is the mental aspect of navigating a cancer diagnosis and the impact that has on everyone around me. You know, how how I'm, you know, feeling in a given day it impacts the next person, impacts the my coworker, whatever it might be. And so the the mental aspect is is very challenging. And I think, you know, earlier on it was, am I gonna see my daughter go to go to kindergarten? Am I gonna be able to work? How are we gonna pay for this? And now it's shifted into this different phase, which is is it's an awkward place to be in, in and certainly in the best way. I absolutely feel this kind of guilt because I somehow got lucky. I've had so many friends pass away from this horrible disease that just weren't as lucky. And I and I do really hinge it on luck because they are not doing anything different than I did. They went and got their treatment. They, you know, the the treatment is what fails, it's not the person. So when we talk about going back to that battle language and thriving, it's like those people are not doing anything different than I did or have done, just showing up for treatment and whatnot. but yeah, I I think when you think about the mental aspect, it it it really can it can weigh on you. and then you have because you are still going in for treatment all the time and you're going in for your scans and things like that. In fact this Friday I have scans, there's still an anxiety that comes with that, you know, in the lead up to it. Are you gonna find something there? I know you haven't found anything and it's unlikely that you will, but it's still that I have to go in and get scans just in case. So It's, you know, y you live in these three month increments of hoping that nothing's happening in there and and and whatnot. that that makes it really tough. And I think that when people are training for for these longer distance running, a lot of times, yes, you've your body physically hurts, but it is your mental training that gets you. through those races and through those training cycles, right? It is your brain you telling your brain, I can do this. I can keep going. I can keep logging those miles. it's not your body. So yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. No, that I agree with you one hundred percent. Thank you so much for talking about the mental aspect of it too, because I think there's as when you talk about that three month increment of getting scanned, I mean I I've talked about this briefly on the podcast and there's a post on my Instagram about it, but I had a cancer scare where I needed massive surgery and then essentially what would end up happening is instead of it being every three months, for me it was every two weeks, I would have a fear of of the cancer Anne Keane: Mm. Mm. MikeRunsMarathons: potentially coming because every week every two weeks they would do a biopsy. And so I would come back the following week and if they didn't say anything, I would it was a win for me. And that went on for and then after that it was monthly checks and then went three month checks and that went on for three years. So I would go and in my head I would think everything was fine. But then they would be like, wait a minute we there's we we potentially found something. Anne Keane: Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: And it would it would throw me out of whack because everything seemed fine and now it's not. It was it was a whole thing. So I I was so stressed and so filled with anxiety and and depression because of it. I remember crying a lot. and so I appreciate you talking about that because I I think, yeah, like you said, everybody everybody knows like the quote unquote signs of cancer. You lose your hair, you you know, you get skinnier, you lose weight, you might you know, get sunken eyes and and things like that, you get weak. But Anne Keane: Z MikeRunsMarathons: behind that is something that could be even worse. and so that I think it's really important to remember that. since you've been you've been diagnosed and you this was you got diagnosed before you started running, right? Anne Keane: Yes. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah, Anne Keane: So so when I when I started running actually let me take it back. When I was working out you know, with my Peloton, that was like a gradual build up, right? It wasn't nobody gets on the Peloton the first time and is doing 45 minute workouts. I mean like unless you're like an elite workout person and just happen to be getting this new piece of equipment. But it was like a slow roll, right? It's the 10 minutes on the bike because I so was so physically ill, right? So you start to see these accomplishments and You know, okay, now I've ridden 30 minutes and now I'm doing 30 minutes regularly. Now I'm doing yoga. Like, okay, this is interesting, right? But I think when I started running, that was something that helped from a mental aspect. I think because Peloton, you're you have this this coach and they're interacting with you, you kind of are like transported and into another place. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Anne Keane: Whereas running really puts you inside, right? It's really in your brain. to to keep going. And not to say that I don't do running with the running coaches and things like that. but a lot of times on the longer runs, I would just, you know, use music and whatnot. And it became this sense of therapy because I struggled to connect with therapists. you know, I've I've had I've tried multiple therapists and I really struggled to connect in a way that made me feel better coming out of it. And running really helped with that, right? It helped me feel better about myself. I have this sense of accomplishment that I've gone through and you know, especially logging the workouts early in the morning. You know, starting my day with this sense of accomplishment. I've gone and done this. I've logged these miles and I feel better and I can keep going. It's like this MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Anne Keane: mental reassurance that I'm gonna be okay. That I'm gonna today, today I'm gonna be okay, you know? And so as I've kind of continued to add the running, it's now become bigger with the with the community, right? And so being able to be connected to these differ different Dana Farber team members and and whatnot, it's just taken on such a such a unique journey of its own that I couldn't imagine. that has really helped me mentally. MikeRunsMarathons: I cannot tell you how much running has helped me in in a mental aspect. Because I started running because of my mental health. I I tried to take my life and everything happened with the the cancer scare. And then I had a doctor tell me that I was hypertension stage two and like needed to start taking my care of myself, or it was like I was gonna have a stroke. So that that scared me starting to run. And it not only helped me physically and I lost weight, but then I started to realize Anne Keane: Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: without even knowing that I was kind of getting into the runner's high, but the runner's high for me was just calmness. It was just like a serene, quiet feeling where it was just me, my music or my podcast, audiobook, what have you, my feet pound in the pavement, and that was and my breath. Like that was it. I didn't have to think about anything else. Obviously I could think about what pace I want to do. Do I have to speed up if I'm doing intervals and things like that. But if I was doing, you know, a normal run, it was it was a way for me to just get Anne Keane: Mm. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: get that clear, empty mind that they talk about with meditation. and even during the runs, I was sometimes able to solve problems that I had like in my head that I had needed to figure out because I had that period of time where there was just nothing else. and so I completely agree with you about the the mental health aspect and the the I know that therapists and therapy can be a struggle for a lot of people, especially I've gone through Anne Keane: Yes. MikeRunsMarathons: Dozens of therapists. I remember I was with one therapist who I wasn't able to see anymore, but I loved him and I went to go try to find another one. And I think in the span of a month I saw probably about eight different ones. Picked one was with them for a year, was not happy. So it like it's such a struggle sometimes to find that. And like honestly, who wants to go through the process of essentially doing interviews with therapists to find one that works for them sometimes? It can be exhausting needed to needing to explain your story over and over and over again. Anne Keane: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: And so I'm not like running obviously is not going to be the be all end of with therapy, but it is something that is very helpful with mental clarity. and I'm glad that you were able to find that because it's it's something that, especially for new runners, they want that, but they don't get it immediately. It takes it takes time. Like you're gonna it's gonna be a struggle, you're gonna have the fatigue, you might not be able to run for more than 30 seconds at a time. Anne Keane: Mm-hmm. Right. MikeRunsMarathons: Run walk, who cares? But over time you'll start to finally get that feeling. and I don't even call it runner's high because I just think of it as like a meditative state that happens. and it's it's it's really wonderful once once you get into it because you you kind of and and it I call it locking in where you're just like, This is it, especially like especially on my marathons, I like I'll lock in and that'll be the only thing I'm focused on. And it takes away a lot of the stress of everything else that's going Anne Keane: Yeah, yeah, yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Now, I know there are there are definitely people that are going to listen to this who are facing something hard, whether it's a diagnosis, it could be you know, death of a family member, it could be mental health, it could be loss of a relationship, something else, what have you. What do you want them to hear from you about what is still possible? Anne Keane: I think you kind of answered it. I think you I think it's that that things are possible. That it just because you're handed something doesn't mean that the the Google soul search result or the prognosis is is going to be the the the journey or the destination that you're on. The things are absolutely possible. So I I'm a big proponent of keeping a positive attitude. And it it's it's kind of funny because my father has a a health condition and growing up he always was Mr. Positive, almost to the point where, you know, as a kid, we used that my sister and I used to eye roll all the time. Like You know. You just gotta stay positive. You just gotta stay positive. You never know what can happen. And now I hear myself saying the same thing to my kiddo. And it's because, you know, and even to this day, my dad still, despite despite his own diagnosis, despite my diagnosis, we're still thinking positive, right? Because that's something that you can control, right? Is to be thinking positive. And it's so hard, right? Like it's to go and tell a cancer patient. Just be positive. That like let me tell you the swear words that would come out of my mouth and should come out of my mouth as as a result of that. But so that's why I say that things are possible. You know, that if you if you do keep a positive attitude and and do focus on the good, right? There might be 23 hours of the day that might be awful. You might be in pain, you might be hurting, whatever. There might be something good, right, out there that the sun is shining. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah, yeah. Anne Keane: you know, the g that you got to sit up in bed or that you get to play with your kiddo or or whatever it might be. Those small things that don't seemingly that that seemingly aren't that big, can still mean a lot. and and I I really especially early on, really tried to focus on those things despite how difficult those other twenty three hours of the day were. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's funny the the Mr. Positive thing you talked about. I used to be literally the most negative person you could ever meet. yeah, before twenty eighteen when I was I I I tell everybody that I feel like after I tried taking my life in twenty eighteen, I I felt like the part of me that I didn't like, the negative, depressed I mean I'm still depressed, but I have it kind of managed. and just like Anne Keane: Really? MikeRunsMarathons: I was a very macabre person. Like I just didn't want to be here. I was very sad all the time. And I was I literally was like, nobody wants to be around me because of this. I used to be that person and then I started to turn into a more positive person. I remember once I posted on Facebook, if you could to ask people like, if I had to give a TED talk on anything, what would it be? And someone literally commented like resilience and positivity, and I just sat there like What have I become? Because I just think didn't I couldn't I couldn't believe like the kind of person that I am today. And I try it's very difficult for me to explain like who I w used to be and who I am now because they are vastly two different people. And I I believe that I was reborn as a brand new person in in twenty eighteen. Which is which is it makes me happy to feel that way because I kinda I still struggle with like self esteem and stuff, but I I still Anne Keane: Yeah. Wow. MikeRunsMarathons: kind of like myself now. I don't want to say I like myself because it feels weird to say that. But but it's it's so it's so good to keep a positive mindset. And I'm the kind of person in in my rel in my marriage with my wife where if there is like something that happens, I'm the person who's like, okay, let's work through this. Let's become cool and collected. And like I go into I don't I don't go in crisis mode. I go into like problem solving mode like immediately. And Anne Keane: Yeah. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: it we always joke about how there's like our relationship is just two totally different people. The one who's like anxious all the time and freaks out, and me who's just like, Yeah, we'll get it done, we'll be fine. And it it's Anne Keane: Mmm, I really relate to that. I'm always like I like I feel like I'm a problem solver now. Like what I also you and you probably feel this way too, in the sense that like in the grand scheme of things, of problems that we have, a you know, how are we gonna solve this challenge is so small in comparison to like real life problems, right? MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Anne Keane: So you have this n unique perspective on problems that, you know, kind of make them feel pretty small. MikeRunsMarathons: I I one hundred percent agree with you on that. There's so many things that happen where I'm just like, really? We're worried about this when something else could happen. Like that is a lot more important and changes your perspective on life. It's it's it's wild sometimes when that happens. Anne Keane: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and you you also and I feel like this with with you almost, even though we haven't met, we have this this unique connection because you've been through something that has changed you and changed your perspective. You are able to connect with people in a different way. And not everybody gets that. I don't want to say that I'm happy for that, right? Because it means that I had to have gone through cancer in order to to get to this place. MikeRunsMarathons: Yes. Mm-hmm. Anne Keane: But you are able to connect with people in a different way. And those relationships can really mean something. versus just moving through life, right? MikeRunsMarathons: No absolutely. I mean it it's there's something that shifts in your brain when you have one of these events happen to you, whether it's cancer or a a suicide attempt or death of a loved one, even having a kid. Like I can't I can't tell you how much 'cause I went back to work last week after four months of paternity leave, and I cannot tell you how much my entire mindset has shifted to from like really Anne Keane: Yeah. Mm. MikeRunsMarathons: Spreadsheets matter more than like taking care of my four month old? No, it doesn't. so it's it's just weird to be like in this position now, because I if you had asked me like five months ago when I feel like I needed to, you know, make work my entire life, I probably would have said it would have been a big part, but not all of it. But now it's just like thrown out the window. And it's like I don't. Anne Keane: Please. Uh-huh. MikeRunsMarathons: I don't even it's not that I don't care about it, but it's like in the grand scheme of things, like raising a child to be a good person is a lot more important than me submitting this Excel report. It's it it just blows my mind how we make certain things so much more important than they really should be sometimes. Anne Keane: Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: But I want to move on to something more positive because you are chasing the six stars for Dana Farber. You say you want to run all of the stars with Dana Farber themselves, and you have three of them, right? Or two. You have I know you have Boston and you have Tokyo. Anne Keane: Yeah. And I have Chicago. Yes. So this will be so Dana Farber doesn't have bibs for all of the marathons. So they actually don't have bibs for Chicago. I got in through a a different way. And I also got they they don't have a bib for London. So I got in a different way for London. So that's on the list. But the plan is actually to be the first person to raise money and MikeRunsMarathons: In Chicago. Okay, that's a Anne Keane: for Dana Farber for every single one of the the six stars. So I have Boston, Tokyo and Chicago and I have Berlin, London, and New York left in that order. That's the plan. MikeRunsMarathons: Do you have a plan for like the order you want to do them in? Anne Keane: That that that's it, right? So I have Berlin, then London, then New York. And I'd like to finish with New York, just because I'm hoping that, you know, like it's my family could come see see that one. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. so do you have them already lined up or so you're in London already for next year? Anne Keane: Yeah, yes, yes. MikeRunsMarathons: Wow. That is incredible. How much if you don't mind me asking, what what is your your fundraising for for all of them that you had the race? Is it different for each one? Anne Keane: It's different for each one. And because this is this is kind of tricky, but because Dana Farber doesn't have a bib for London, I don't have necessarily like a threshold I have to meet. I got in through a different way. So I I don't have a threshold, but my goal is in totality when I finish that sixth star to have raised 200,000 for Dana Farber. MikeRunsMarathons: Wow. Anne Keane: Yeah, that's the that's the goal. So I'm about I think I'm probably around a hundred and fifty right now. MikeRunsMarathons: Thanks. Wow, so you're you're up there with my the with Christina who I've also interviewed. Anne Keane: Yeah, she's a boss. She is a she is a boss. Yes. She's an incredible fundraiser and just good, really good human. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: She is incredible. Like I Absolutely. Her story is absolutely incredible. did you get I know that she got a pin, I think, right, for hitting a hundred and fifty. Did you also get a pin? Anne Keane: I got yeah, I got a little fancy Dana Farber pin when I hit a hundred K. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: That is awesome. $200,000. That's do you know like what the most someone has like raised for for Dana Farber has been? Anne Keane: I don't know if they've hit a million, but there are people that are in the like half a million mark. Yeah. They got good connections. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: my goodness. Wow. So so Dana Farber is huge for this. Art wait, I meant to ask actually, are you going to so you're going for the six star? Are you gonna also run in Sydney and Cape Town? Anne Keane: So, maybe, maybe. That's on this is I we're gonna edit this out, but there's like other brand there's another brand that is open to sponsoring me that for that one, in which case I'm like and I just found out about it, so MikeRunsMarathons: Okay. Anne Keane: And then the London bib that hasn't been announced, but like I got in through a like a like a different way. So I like I hate being vague about these things, so I'm like trying to find the right way to say these things. But yeah, the the plan is to to actually you you know ab the Abbott, right? You can apply through Abbott to get bibs. And so I was given a bib by Abbott for London. MikeRunsMarathons: No, you're fine. What what Mm-hmm. that is awesome. Anne Keane: But it's like not it's like not public knowledge yet. So Yeah, yeah. I just feel weird being tired. I'm like trying to figure out like I never even thought about how do I talk about this. MikeRunsMarathons: Okay, yeah, yeah. No, no, that's fine. I won't I'll I'll add that. No, no, you're you're fine. You're actually the second person I think I've spoken to who got in with Team Abbott with for for one of the majors. I forget I forget who it was. I for then they ran Boston. and I I did it was in my Boston recap video. I forget how she got in. I think she had some rare like disorder or something like that. But Anne Keane: Hmm. Yeah, you can apply you can apply to get bibs through Team Abbott. MikeRunsMarathons: so many times so many times. Yeah, because I have a very this is gonna sound really weird. I have a very rare vascular disorder. It's only like six families in the world have it. And it's the only way I can describe it is it causes these like blue dots to grow from your veins into your skin. And so like they literally look like blue like marker like Anne Keane: Mm. my god. MikeRunsMarathons: Blue marker points that you would like draw on somebody. And they can get painful, they can like become raised and bumpy. So they're just like uncomfortable to have. And the only place in the country, or one of the only places in the world that really specializes in it, is Boston Children's Hospital. And so I've I spent like 34 years of my life, 35 years of my life, trying to find out about this, and then discovered that they knew. Anne Keane: Interesting. my. MikeRunsMarathons: So I went to Boston Children's Hospital and got seen by like ten different doctors at once. to the point where I almost passed out because the room was like so full of hot air. And it felt like an episode of Gray's Anatomy. And I had a s I had surgery, a six hour surgery, to remove all of them from my body. And the the awful thing though is that they can still grow anywhere else they want. So I have I have more now in different spots. And so I can't it's like no way to stop it because it's a chromosomal like anomaly thing. Like there's one of my chromosomes that got messed up when it was being made. and it's hereditary. So I have uncles and cousins who have it. And I they don't know really what it is. I'm like the only person in the family that knows what it is. and so Anne Keane: Hold. Hmm. MikeRunsMarathons: Maybe I should write about that and t and tell them. because I told them about the other story, but I feel like this would this would be like they'd be like, you have a very weird weird thing. and fun fact, I got into a car accident the day after I had the surgery. Yeah, it was that it wasn't my fault. The car rear ended. Anne Keane: Yes, absolutely. my gosh. Mike. No, I'm just saying like all of these things, man. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah, I had a it was a car accident. The biggest part of the surgery that I had was on my side. If you look at it, it looks like I got stabbed because of the scar. That entire area reopened with the when I got hit by the car. And so I had to it got infected, I had to be on antibiotics like twice, almost got sepsis, it was whole thing. I digress though, because that's not the important thing. I want to talk about Dana Farber because it's obviously it's very near and dear to your heart. It's very important to you. What does it mean to put your miles towards the place that has been part of your care? Anne Keane: Yeah. Wow, so running for Data Farber really hits home for me because it's where I get my treatment, right? my oncologist, Dr. Sarah Telaney is the head of the breast oncology group. And when I meet with her, I am, you know, kind of always inspired not only by her absolute in just in she's just an incredible, incredible person. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Anne Keane: just so smart, but also she really has her finger on the pulse of what's happening in the community, in the research community. So she's actively talking about, you know, what is happening with research at the Dana Farber. She's also looking not just at breast cancer treatment, but also what other treatments maybe apply. Right, to breast cancer, right? What they're doing in lung cancer, is that something that we can learn from it? And so I just the the team that I have, you know, from my nurses to my doctors, you know, just runs the gamut. I just really felt like I needed a way to give back to the people that have done so much for me. And when you think about that, that's really. you know, g giving back to to research to help others, and help patients like me be able to live in the way that they want to live their life, right? To be able to go and wake up in the morning and go and play with their kids and go to work and do all those things that, you know, normal humans do. and at the Dana Farber, the The the money actually 100% of it goes to the Claudia Barr Adams program, which is dedicated to innovative cancer research. And so while it is not dedicated to stage four breast cancer, I think about how those the research that they're doing is has the patient's best interest at heart. because when you look at drug companies and what they're investing in, they're in it to make money, right? So they're gonna invest in treatments that are gonna help people, of course, and find new ways to unlock different drugs or or whatever it might be, help side effects and things. But the people at Dana Farber are really looking at those things that are really going to help move the needle for patients. And so I look at it, it it's not only just helping patients like me, it's helping patients within the metastatic breast community. It's also helping patients, just anybody that's walking through the doors at the Dana Farber or somewhere else around the world and trying to find solutions and hopefully end, you know, one day end cancer. So yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah. That is so powerful and I'm in awe of your tenacity to one live your life to the fullest, but two, give back so much to this organization because I when I ran Boston in twenty twenty four I raised money for the Brigham Women's Hospital for the Stepping Strong team for Gillian Redmi and Anne Keane: yeah, yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: It was really powerful to to do that because you know the the I think that I I think personally that Boston hospitals in general are some of the best in the world. And and to especially Dina Farber when it comes to cancer research and and and and treatment. And so I just think like I'm in I'm in awe of of what you've done. You like you and Christina. Anne Keane: Absolutely. MikeRunsMarathons: with the things that you have done with Dana Farber, the amount of money that you've raised, the amount of awareness that you've given to this organization, I think it's just it's so phenomenal and it's so inspiring. And and I just want to say to anybody who is listening, if you have any thoughts about being a charity runner or thinking that you want to run for a charity, or if for example, you think that for maybe something you may have read online that charity runners are not as important or don't belong within these marathons. I'm 100% here to tell you that that is not the case. Signing up as a charity runner is probably one of the best things you will ever do because when you cross that finish line, you will not only feel accomplished for finishing the race, but you will finish knowing that you helped people. You provided services, you provided treatment, you provided research, what have you to someone. So please sign up as a charity runner. It doesn't make you any less of a marathon runner for any of these races. Anne Keane: Mm. Mm-hmm. MikeRunsMarathons: Don't let anybody tell you anything different because it's it's one of the most important things that you could ever do as a marathon runner. Anne Keane: Yeah, well said, Mike. MikeRunsMarathons: Thank you. Thank you. now for your stars, you you have three of them collected. You've the order that you have is Berlin, London, New York. Now is there a reason that that is the order? Is there a reason why New York is the last one? Anne Keane: Mm-hmm. I think with New York, because it's the closest to home, I'm hoping that I can have more family and friends go it go to that one. so yeah, that's that's the the plan is like almost like you're it's almost like you're running home. You know, I w would probably pick Boston. But yeah, I don't know. And then I think this is just like my side tangent. So that would put me at a total of nine marathons. And that's not an even number. So then I'm like, do I do Boston? I don't know, there's Sydney. There's I can I feel like what's gonna happen when I say I'm done with this? What's next? You know? And I think MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah. believe me, you're you're gonna finish and you're you're gonna figure something out. Because I did the same exact thing. I was like, I don't know what to do next. And now I just keep running the majors and like I'm like halfway through my second and third six star medal. So it's it's just like I don't know what to do. So but you'll I promise you, once you finish, that itch to still run marathons is gonna be there. and the good thing too is like Anne Keane: Yeah. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Could still raise money for Dana Farber with smaller marathons or even the ones that are big but not majors, like Philly or CIM or San Francisco, things like that. I think those would be great to do too. But I I do want to warn you: once you finish your six-star journey, you will feel lost. I felt so Anne Keane: Absolutely. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Like I I felt like I was just wandering around after I finished. I was like, what is I don't know what to do now because I accomplished my goal and I I just didn't know where to go. And so just be prepared for that because it was it it did get I was very happy, but I did get a little depressed because you get the marathon blues when you finish a marathon, but this was like ten times worse because it was like all six are done, what do I do now? Anne Keane: Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Is there one that you're looking forward to the most? Anne Keane: Know. I mean, I think, I mean, I'm kind of making these marathons like I'm doing these fairly quickly, right? In succession. I think it's still this mental game, you know. I still am waiting kind of for this shoe to drop when it when it comes to cancer and this diagnosis that I have, that every single one is such a gift. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Anne Keane: You know, when I ran Tokyo, my family came with me. My husband and my daughter came with me, and we had the most incredible time together. So it's almost like less about the race and looking forward to the race and and more about that experience that I have with my family than I just, you know, going back to that original diagnosis. Like I never would have imagined that I would have gone to Tokyo with my family. MikeRunsMarathons: Yes. Anne Keane: And then I would have ran a freaking marathon there. Like that is just so such an absurd thing. And to be thinking about here I'm looking at what I'm gonna do in 2028. Like I planning two weeks ahead in that original diagnosis was something that I was like, I don't even know what, you know, how will I feel? Will I be able to get up out of bed? Am I gonna be sick? Like MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah. Anne Keane: Now it's like I'm lit I'm literally pa thinking through that. It's just it it's just a wild concept. So I know yes, I cannot wait to put that six star medal on, you know. Like it's just gonna be epic in New York. Like amazing. It's just yeah. I don't know that there is one specific thing that I'm looking forward to. This is a it's an incredible journey that I'm just so lucky to be on. MikeRunsMarathons: Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Now are you running are you gonna run New York next year? Anne Keane: So that's the plan, yeah. Next year. MikeRunsMarathons: Okay, so I will be running New York next year as well, and I would love to meet up with you and see you before and after the marathon so I could see that six-star medal. Anne Keane: Yes. my God, that'd be so epic. Yes. Yes. MikeRunsMarathons: Yes, that would it would be fantastic. and I I agree with you because when I got I finished my first marathon twenty twenty one was in New York and I just decided randomly after that to sign up for the Berlin lottery and I got in for twenty twenty two, I never expected ever, ever in my life that I would travel the world running races. Like I and I definitely didn't think like I I was like, Okay, I think yeah, London I'll definitely probably do because it's close to Berlin and it's in Europe. Anne Keane: Mm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. MikeRunsMarathons: But I never anticipated that I would ever run in Tokyo or go to Tokyo. Like it was my dream to always go there. And the fact that I did get to go there twice now is just outrageous because it it was a dream that just seemed so far-fetched and out there for me. And it didn't hit me actually until we like got off the plane. And I just looked around and I was like, my God, I cannot. Anne Keane: Examine. MikeRunsMarathons: believe where we are. and now I just want to go back every single year because I just love the city. But you you you Anne Keane: Yeah. I mean all also like running running in Tokyo, I know we talked about it earlier. Like that was my first international marathon, international race. Like like where am I eating my pasta? What w like what time is it? What where am I getting all my fluids? Like I put it just it's so much. It is so much to think about. MikeRunsMarathons: yeah. It's so cool that that was your first international marathon. That's that's that's amazing. I love that. now you you talked about this a little bit with Ruby doing fundraiser for Girls on the Run. But you know, as her mom and what you do with these marathons, raising money for Dana Farber, chasing the six-star medal, what do you want her to take away from watching you do what you're doing? Anne Keane: I think it goes back to what you had asked before, which is really that you know you you you can you can do hard things and that anything is possible. Anything is possible. You y it's possi somebody can go out there and be running a marathon with stage four breast cancer. That's that's a possibility. So, you know, it yeah. I think that's what I would say. MikeRunsMarathons: I love that. I love that. That's she, I mean, I have never met her, and I have not met you, but I am already already feel like she is going to grow up to be a fantastic woman who is going to understand the importance of being there for other people, which is going to be incredible for just the world in general. Anne Keane: Yeah. I hope we're we're raising we're we're raising good humans here, Mike. That's the that's the goal. MikeRunsMarathons: Yes. yeah. Always, always. And now th this kind of actually segues into my my next your my next question about kind of the camaraderie and the community aspect of things. So you talked about Peloton and you talked about Dana Farber, right? They're two of the most committed groups in this sport. You know, Peloton sponsors the New York City Marathon. They do shakeout runs at like every single World Marathon major. They have Anne Keane: Mm-hmm. MikeRunsMarathons: New York City Marathon course runs on the Peloton tread, Dana Farber raises, has so many teams for so many marathons that are huge, and especially with Boston. What have those communities given you that has kept you moving? Anne Keane: I think, you know, I talked about how running is such an individual sport. I think when I feel connected to the community, I feel like you talk about hands on your back w in Peloton. It's it is not feeling alone, you know, despite you being out there and logging your miles by yourself or whatever it might be. you don't feel as alone. And I think that goes a long way, right? And helping others feel not alone when they're out there or navigating something difficult, right? They're they lost their job or they are struggling with something else, you know, to be able to reach out and just say, I'm I'm here with you. or Do you wanna go for a run and we can we can talk about it or we don't talk about it? I think that can really go a long way, just being part of a being part of a community. MikeRunsMarathons: Yeah. I love the phrase hands on your back. I say it all the time to people whenever they're going through any sort of hard time because it's it's so powerful, but it's such a simple statement. And I think it it it in my opinion, I think it means more than just saying like I'm here for you. It it means that like I am right here beside you while everything is going on, no matter what it is. So Anne Keane: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: And and I it's funny, I bring up that term all the time to people who are not Peloton users and I wish some of them were because of of what they talk about, because I feel like they would they would connect really well with the Peloton community. the the name of this podcast is at your own pace. What does the term at your own pace mean to a woman who's who's doing what you're doing? Like what do you want every single person listening to take from your story? Anne Keane: that's a good question. I think when I think about at your own pace, I think about their I think about how, you know, so many people with that run marathons are so focused on what their time is gonna be, if they're gonna PR, if they're you know, the what their current pace time is and all of that. It's like Man, you know, first off, just in the in the running world, there's so many factors that can throw those things out the door, right? The weather is hot, right? Tokyo is hot. And I was listening to her podcast and I was like hearing all these people talk about how hot it was. And I was like, yes, it was hot. You know, like that something like the heat can completely impact your time, right? So when it comes to at your own pace, it's at your own pace on that given day. in that given moment. And if you are going out and you're logging some miles and it's a slower day because of whatever you're going through, that's okay. Forward is a pace, movement is a pace. Like it doesn't matter, right? And I know being a competitive athlete, you know, especially in college, competition I was always competing with myself and and with others and being so focused on that. That I lost sight oftentimes of the journey and how great the journey can be and what you can learn from it. And so when you ask the question about what does at your own pace mean, it it really means at your own pace. No one else's, no one else's expectations, no one else is setting a bar or you know, you you've got to meet something. It's like what is happening in that given day and given time. And if you can get up out of the bed and you can move. down the stairs and make it out the door. And even if you're just walking to the end of the street, that's at your own pace. And that's okay. And that's great because you made it out the door and you made it down the street. You know, I I'm I'm very humbled by what I what I couldn't do when I was earlier diagnosed and what I can do now and how grateful I am for that. So I'm gonna run, you know, Berlin at my own pace. And afterwards we're gonna go and do a a ton of fun stuff. And I can't wait to eat a giant soft pretzel. And I only do that because I ran that marathon at my own pace. Not because I tried to make a PR or anything like that. 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If you use the code Mike Run's marathons, you can save a little bit on your order. I think they might still be doing a Memorial Day sale. I'm not sure. But they are my favorite pair of headphones that I use for running all the time, whether it's the Open Run Pro Twos or the Open Dots One. They keep me safe while I run and they have great sound quality. But Anne, my first question for you is trail or road? What is your favorite running shoot brand right now? Anne Keane: Adios Adi Zero. There are deed issues. MikeRunsMarathons: Okay. Are you an early alarm or a late runner? Anne Keane: Early ten out of ten times. MikeRunsMarathons: on your long runs do you prefer to run them solo or with others? Anne Keane: On the long runs, solo, short runs with friends. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. What is your post your favorite post marathon meal? Anne Keane: My favorite what is that question? MikeRunsMarathons: So your favorite post marathon? Anne Keane: favorite post marathon meal. I you know what? I don't have a favorite post-marathon meal because I am like that person that have have like pretty much died out there. So like getting food in is not an enjoyable experience. So it's like I think if you said what's your favorite post-long run meal, it's gonna be a pretzel bun with an egg and cheese situation on it, like a MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Anne Keane: big fatty breakfast meal sandwich. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Okay. Listen, I'll take that. That sounds full of carbs and full of protein, so that's good that's good in my book. But on the flip side, what is your favorite late night snack? Anne Keane: Yeah. Favorite late night snack. Well, this is gonna sound lame, but it's like skinny pop. Man, I go through so many bags of skinny pop. Like I'm definitely it like I definitely eat chocolate and sweets on the regular, but like if you had to if that's like my go-to. MikeRunsMarathons: My wife loves Do you go to like Costco and buy the the giant bags that they have? Anne Keane: I don't. I should. I should be on a subscription plan with that those those things. In fact, I'm sitting at my desk right now, Mike, and I'm sitting next to a bag because it's like I have it for work. My snack bag is out here and then I have one downstairs. MikeRunsMarathons: I Listen, I don't wanna you know put any bad habits into your your head, but I just looked up on Amazon and they do have them on there, and I believe you can probably set up a subscription. So I'm yes, you can actually. So I'm just saying but I'm not saying if you didn't want to sign up, you could. Now on your easy runs, do you prefer music, podcast, or silence? Anne Keane: Yeah. music. MikeRunsMarathons: What is the one piece of running gear that you can't live without and you cannot say your shoes? Anne Keane: My headphones. MikeRunsMarathons: Hmm. Same, same. I need my headphones. do you have a dream race? Now it could be one of the World Marathon Majors or it could be another race. It could be like far out there. Whatever is your your race that you would love to run. Anne Keane: I'd love to do an ultra. MikeRunsMarathons: Do you do you have one in mind? Anne Keane: No. I gotta do a short one, which is weird to say an ultra would be a short one, but I gotta like MikeRunsMarathons: So you do like a fifty K. Anne Keane: Yeah, but dude, that's like crazy. MikeRunsMarathons: I mean it's only six miles no twenty four eight? No, twenty six. What am I talking about? So six miles more. You can do another ten K, right? I mean and ultras are slower, so you you just run walk if you want. You don't have to run the whole time. I've fun fact, I've signed up for two fifty Ks and I did not show up for either of them. Because I chickened out. So Anne Keane: Carry the nine. I don't know. It's a lot, dude. It's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Mm. MikeRunsMarathons: Maybe one day I'll do one because every single time I talk to somebody who's a marathon runner, they'll just randomly throw out, Yeah, I've done one fifty K, one fifty miler and I'm like, my god, stop like peer pressuring me. Anne Keane: Yeah. Actually you know what? I I almost I think I would take it back. I think I think I'd love to run with my daughter. I think that would I'd love to run Boston with her. You know, sh she's still way too young to do it, but I think that would be pretty pretty amazing. MikeRunsMarathons: 'Cause I wanna do it, but I'm scared. I just spoke to somebody actually the last episode that came out. He was I asked him who what he wanted to run and he said Tokyo because that's his last star and he wants to he would love to run it with his son. And his son but his son's like five, so or six, I think. So he's like, he can't run with me, but I would love if he could. I mean I would love to run with my daughter, but she can't even lift her head up. So I have to have to wait a little bit for that. now these next two questions tell me time. Yes, tell me time. Anne Keane: Mm. Right, right. Right, MikeRunsMarathons: Now these next two questions are questions that I ask people to gather some information from them that I I share with other people. The first is what I call the motivation library. So if you could pick one quote, a mantra, or a line that gets you through the tough miles, what would it be? Anne Keane: I don't have to, I get to. MikeRunsMarathons: Good one. I like that. I say that to myself all the time. I say that to myself all the time, especially when I'm struggling during a long run, and I just be like, why am I doing this? Be yeah, I chose to do this. That's right. Now, I want to picture you. Let's do New York. Next year, you're crossing the finish line. You just came back in the Central Park. You can see it. People are screaming your name. Anne Keane: You you know that one too. Yeah. Yep. MikeRunsMarathons: What song is blasting through your headphones as you cross that finish line? Anne Keane: know if I can I mean I probably have to like look up on my playlist. I mean there's like a couple songs that I I love to to run to, but I don't know if I have one that's like actually, hold on. Give me one second. I'm gonna look it up. Cause there is one that I've been listening to more of. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Anne Keane: It is Gosh, you're gonna have to definitely edit this one. MikeRunsMarathons: No, you're fine. Anne Keane: I can't like search my playlist. It's like a T I song. Mm mm mm. I don't know. I I think you're gonna have to we're gonna have to pass on this one. Like I just don't I mean, I run with music and I have like one playlist that's like over 300 songs in it. Yeah, it's pretty big. But Yeah. Yeah, there's not like one song that's like my mantra or anything like that, I don't think. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Mm-hmm. Wow. So I guess it would be just whatever comes up. Okay. Okay. Fine with me. I mean I've I've I have several playlists and sometimes I run to one song that I'll finish to and sometimes I just finish whatever whatever is playing. Anne Keane: Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: Now, my final two questions for you are what I ask everybody because I want to go back to what the essence of this podcast is about. And they are a little ambiguous, but I want you to answer as best as you can. The first one is what is running giving you that you didn't expect when you first started? Anne Keane: Mm. What has run in running given me? That I didn't expect. You know, I think when you're diagnosed with cancer, you become known as that person that has cancer. And it has allowed me to define myself in a different way. So I've become I'm now that person that can run marathons that happens to also have cancer. and it it really has given me this sense of purpose when it comes to giving back and doing something for bigger than myself. MikeRunsMarathons: I love that. I love that. And then my last question, and this is the ambiguous one. Why do you run? Anne Keane: I think because it's it's part of who I am. It wasn't part of who I was before, but it's part of who I am now. And it it allows me to connect with people and help others in a way that I couldn't have imagined. So it's it's really given me a a purpose. Yeah. MikeRunsMarathons: That is that is absolutely perfect and I I agree with you. It's once you run for this long and once you start chasing these these dreams with your marathons, my wife jokes at me that somehow, whenever I introduce myself to somebody new, I have to somehow bring up the fact that I run marathons. Somehow it has to happen. So yeah, yeah. So I mean, she she laughs at me all the time when that happens. But but and those are actually all of the questions that I have for you today. I really I don't know how to thank you. Anne Keane: Totally. I'm that person too, Mike. MikeRunsMarathons: Enough for everything that you shared and what we talked about during this episode. You you came here, you opened up, and you brought every part of yourself to this conversation. And you reminded every single person listening what is what it actually means to be alive, to thrive. Like that word is going to stay with people, and I know it's going stay with me. You are running for something so much bigger than a finish line. You're running for your daughter Ruby, you're running for Dana Farber. For every person who has been told something hard and decided to keep showing up anyway. It's it that's very rare, but that is everything. If you do not follow Ann already, her Instagram name is A D Jory. So it's Apple DavidJory. Check out her beautiful work at Flock Boston and Shop Crompton. And if you want to support the Dana Farber Marathon Challenge and her run, links are in her bio. And also feel free to sign up if you would like to to be a charity runner. And I keep running, keep creating, keep thriving. The whole running community is behind you. And I cannot thank you again so much for being on this episode. Anne Keane: Thank you, Mike. I really have enjoyed chatting with you and great to connect with somebody that's very like minded. so yeah. Thank you. MikeRunsMarathons: Thank you. Thank you. Don't go anywhere. I'm going to folks, that is a wrap on this episode of At Your Own Pace. I really want to thank Anne again for being on the show. Her story of perseverance and resilience and and finishing marathons and thriving with stage four breast cancer is something that I think so many of us can learn from and and hopefully go out there and chase the dreams that we have. But if there's one thing that I hope you take with you today, it's this. there's no such thing as too slow, too late, or too far behind. This sport belongs to you exactly as you are, wherever you're starting from, at whatever pace you're running. Because every mile counts, and so do you. if this episode moved you, made you think, or made you want to lace up, please just do me a favor, share it with someone who needs to hear it, follow the show, leave review. Come find me on all social media platforms at Mike Runs Marathons, Instagram, TikTok, Threads, YouTube, Facebook. And I would love to hear your story. If you're interested in being a guest on the show, feel free to message me on on Instagram or shoot me an email at Mike at Micrunsmarathons.com because every story of every runner is worth telling. Whether you have one follower or a million followers, it does not matter. All of us have a very genuine personal individual story and I want to share with as many people as I possibly can. But until next time, take care of yourself. Be kind to the person running next to you and keep showing up at your own pace. I'll see you on the road. Bye.