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Seth Gruber: Standing For Life & Truth Even When The Church Doesn’t · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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What Christians often don't understand in the culture wars and in the fight for life
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is that abortion is not just one issue among many.
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Abortion is almost the linchpin upon which the liberal establishment swings.
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But what happens when you pull out a linchpin?
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The door falls off.
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It takes a long time to go from a few intellectuals believing some bad ideas to bringing those ideas
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into the culture more and more and more until they bear fruit.
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The answer how we got here is because of the silence and inaction of the church.
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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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So for those of you keeping score at home, how we got here because of the silence and
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inaction of the church.
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I don't think we talk about this enough, but we've got a guest today who we have had these
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conversations and we can't stop because that's where we're at in America today.
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We've got Seth Gruber with the White Rose Resistance.
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His website is Seth Gruber.com.
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You can look up the White Rose Resistance on Facebook or you can go right to their website.
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The White Rose Dot Life and read the story about Hans Scholl and his sister Sophie and
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the inspiration.
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We had Seth on a couple of times ago where we talked about that story.
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It's great.
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If you want to get that podcast, go to worldviewmatters.tv.
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Type in Seth Gruber in the search bar and those episodes will come up where we talked
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about that because we don't have time to get into all those again today.
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But Seth, brother, thank you so much for all you're doing and especially for your time
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today.
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Good to see you.
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Thanks, bro.
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Good to be back.
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All right.
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So we are going to talk about the most recent 1916 project.
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And I love if you go to the daily wire, I love the screen grab they have on top of
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the video where it's got the 1916 project and the baby and then it's got a pregnant woman
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probably a leftist with not yet a human, a very pregnant woman with not yet a human
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written on her belly.
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We'll get to that.
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But brother, you've got a conference coming up in January the day before March for Life.
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I think you said January 22nd, life or death, Khan, tell us about that.
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Yeah, so we we do various events at the White Ridge Resistance David.
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We do a large festival in June called The Last Stand, which will also be the name of my
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next film and book, which is almost done because we're living in a season of The Last Stand.
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We actually don't have much time left.
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That's not just true because anyone with a semi-functioning pre-frontal cortex can kind
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of perceive that that's the case.
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But also like historically, that's true, like nations that embrace total sexual freedom
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die, actually, and we can get into the whole history and the data behind all that sometime
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if you'd like, but that's our big festival.
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But then we do it in D.C. the day before The March for Life called Life or Death, Khan.
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And that's more a world view, educational equipping and really raising the standard in
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the pro-life movement and helping leave some of the narrative post-Rovie way of what
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does it look like to stand for the unborn?
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How do we end abortion, Rose gone, but we're killing more babies than we were before it
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was overturned.
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Why is that?
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What's the problems and what's the way forward?
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And so we're bringing us some of the boldest Christian voices, including Abby Johnson.
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Steve Dase, who in my opinion is one of the best like Christian conservative commentators
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in the entire country.
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My mentor, Dr. George Grant, Abby Johnson, Nolan Sedra, AJ Hurley, just a bunch of warriors.
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And so, yeah, we'd love to have people come out the day before The March for Life and
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then stick around and march with hundreds of thousands of warriors and us at the White
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Rose in D.C.
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Or according to the leftist media, dozens of people have showed up for The March of Life
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as well.
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I'm kidding.
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Right.
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Grant, Dr. George Grant, did he write about the Negro project a years ago?
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Or am I getting, he wrote what at one point was the best-selling book in the pro-life category
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for years.
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It's called Grand Illusions, the legacy of Planned Parenthood, and he was exposing all of those
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hidden and forgotten aspects about the culture of death, the sexual kooky weirdo revolutionaries
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of the early 20th century, and the history of Planned Parenthood that's been largely buried
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by the secular media.
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He is in the 1916 project film I made.
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He's a mentor of mine, and on the second film we're making, which really nothing's been
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done like this, and shafers, how should we then live.
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He's actually a producer and screenwriter on the second film with me.
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So we're making a film together.
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This is our baby for our second film.
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Dr. George Grant's probably the smartest man alive in Chris and done in the West today.
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Awesome.
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Awesome.
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Yeah, I remember a book I wrote in 2011, and I was researching for one of the chapters
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called The Buried History of Planned Parenthood, and I think I quoted him.
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I'm almost positive.
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I quoted him in a lot of Margaret Sanger quotes and things like that, but a lot of disturbing
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information, which I want to get to in a few minutes, Seth.
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But before we do that, I haven't had you on since Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
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You're a public figure, and you're bold.
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And what some would call hateful and offensive, but you speak the truth.
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I do as well, but I don't get out and speak at as many events.
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Just your overall sense that there are a fraction or percentage of people on the left demonically
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driven perhaps, that think what we say and believe is hateful, and it calls for a violence
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to squelch us or censorous your thoughts on all that.
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Yeah, David, I mean, listen, they didn't murder Charlie because he was a good communicator.
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They didn't murder him because he was a good fundraiser, a good organizer, a good commentator,
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although all that's true.
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They murdered him because he was a threat.
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Everyone knows that Charlie would have been president one day.
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He was the closest thing we actually had to like American royalty.
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The influence of a 31-year-old on our entire culture, on the hearts of young men, and
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on this administration almost can't be overstated.
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He's actually insane how much Charlie held the entire movement together, how influential
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he was probably even like preventing us from going to war overseas.
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I mean, what 31-year-old calls the president of the free world and the guy picks up?
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It's hard to overstate how influential.
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You understand that this is the only private citizen in American history to have the sitting
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president and the sitting vice president attend his memorial.
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Like the only citizens that sitting presidents have attended memorials are their own family
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or a former president.
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This is the first time this has ever happened.
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The Trump administration flew out two planes, two planes, the entire cabinet to come to
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Charlie's memorial.
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I was sitting front row, I was sitting in the front, I'm still wearing my, we are Charlie,
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bracelet, and it's the most spiritually enriching day of my entire life.
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It was amazing.
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It tells you something about the impact of this man when politician after politician got
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up and lift up the name of Jesus, including Tulsi Gabbard, who's a Hindu.
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I was sitting there going, what is going on right now?
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And so there's a lot to say about that.
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We don't have the time to get into all of that.
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I've been, this was a lot of my talk recently at our gala in South Orange County in October,
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but Charlie's life and death is an indictment on the last hundred years of the evangelical
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cultural engagement model that told us to essentially not touch hot topic divisive cultural
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and political issues, but to just do Jesus and just focus on the saving of souls, sort
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of a great commission created in our own image that doesn't touch any of the evil demonic
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issues in our society that are trying to wipe out the Amago Day.
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Avoid that and just do Jesus, get people saved.
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That was sort of the evangelical cultural engagement model of the last century that we were
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sold by our theological and evangelical banners with all of the credentials.
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Charlie did the absolute opposite of all of that.
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He could not have done more of an opposite of that by running into talking about all of
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those issues that pastors won't touch from the pulpit.
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And what did that produce?
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It produced a single largest evangelistic gospel proclamation to the largest sitting watching
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audience in human history.
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Yes, and you're not exaggerating that memorial service exulting the name of Jesus with politicians
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many of whom weren't, were not believers or not Christians.
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And then the audience, not only the people that were there, but like my former pastor,
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Rob McCoy and my friend Frank Turing, giving explicit, beautiful articulations of the gospel
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and calling people to repent.
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Tucker Carlson got up there and said, I'm the problem, you're the problem.
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You need to repent.
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I need to repent.
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And that's what Charlie was saying underneath at all.
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Tucker Carlson said that at Charlie's Memorial.
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Everyone to repentance at politician after politician lifts up the name of Jesus.
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If we were supposed to avoid hot topic political issues for the sake of the gospel, then why
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did Charlie bucking the evangelical wisdom of the last hundred years produce the opposite?
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Pretty amazing.
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Yes, and churches won't tackle like what did Eric Metaxas say, the silence and inaction
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of the church?
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I mean, I wrote another book called The Cost of Our Silence that was in whatever, 2015.
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So Seth, what do you think?
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And I know I wasn't going to go there, but this is just so important and relevant.
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Turning point USA and the growth, I mean off the charts exploding on college campuses
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and the youth, but not only that, what do you think about since the assassination, perhaps
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the uptick in Bible sales, young people going to church, more people curious about Jesus,
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maybe some, some turning away from the trans cult and the LGBTQ, what do you think about
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that?
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We're the youth especially.
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Yeah.
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I mean, anyone who didn't see the almost revival like reaction to Charlie's death and
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memorial, his not paying attention, I mean, I speak in a lot of churches around the country
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on the issue of life and the culture war and all of my pastor friends were saying every
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service full, the foyer full, the parking lot full, multiple baptisms.
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Our church has never been this full.
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Then you look at, you just, if you, if you, if you at all live on or see what happens
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on social media, watching like nearly whole football teams get baptized, multiple baptisms
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and salvation.
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So just normal college students who are like finally, you know, stopping their ruthless
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pursuit of saving themselves and giving their lives over to Jesus, a 15% increase.
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No, I think it was more than that in church attendance, Bible sales, breaking records
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that we haven't seen in our lifetime, so much so that Zondervan and various publishers
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don't have enough Bibles to ship out, hundreds of, I mean, thousands of people on social
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media saying, I just bought a Bible for the first time because of Charlie.
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I'm going to church on Sunday for the first time because of Charlie and I'm going to
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shake the pastor's hand and say, I'm here because of Charlie, I think thousands of people
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saying that on social media.
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What does that tell you?
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There's this beautiful line from Braveheart, men don't follow titles, they follow courage.
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Okay.
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And as the evangelical church traded its birthright for a bowl of porridge, and basically
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what CSL has called men without chests, okay, that's the abolition of man.
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A fascinating book, everyone should go read it twice a year probably.
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As the church got more cowardly and just decided to capitulate to the spirit of the age,
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you had a few individuals enter that space and provide the courage that the blood-bought
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bride of Christ used to provide to the next generation.
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And Charlie was the most impactful, influential, courageous man of my generation.
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And he's spoken to all the issues that the church didn't.
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And so he became something of almost, I guess I say David, like almost something of like
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a digital mentor to the lives of probably hundreds of thousands of young men who had their
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formative years during the COVID-skim pandemic, who weren't allowed to go to prom.
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They weren't allowed to go to their CIF football playoffs.
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They had their entire livelihood and way of life ruined and disrupted.
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They learned what tyranny looks like and then they learned that they could be lied to
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from the highest levels of the federal government and have their entire lives upended.
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And where was the church in that season when Gen Z was having their formative years?
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The church was nowhere to be found except for a few pastors.
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And Charlie became almost that sort of mentor to this next generation of Gen Z young men
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who were going back to church at record level numbers.
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And that's not true of Gen Z women, by the way, it's just true of Gen Z men.
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Why?
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Because the enemy overplayed his hand and men are realizing and remembering what they're
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made for.
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We were made to fight and Charlie reminded young men of that.
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Amen, brother.
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And by the way, I think too many churches believed the lie in 2020 that the government deemed
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that the church in America non-essential, what a lie.
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And too many churches said, OK, yeah, we are.
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Anyway, and then with them, they followed up with living like it.
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But anyway, we've got to take a brief pause with Seth Gruber.
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I want to direct you to his Facebook page, The White Rose Resistance.
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Check that out if you're on Facebook.
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And then we're going to talk about what happened in 1916.
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And what about that 1916 project where we come right back on World View Matters?
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So interesting.
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Seth Gruber, over on TheDailyWire.com, people can stream the 1916 project.
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Is that the best way to watch it and or order it?
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And I know you've got it on the white rose resistance as well, right?
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Yeah, we're very thankful for DailyWire, probably the largest conservative streaming platform
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in the country, which is where you can go see this film.
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Shocker, we weren't able to get it on the Netflix or Amazon Prime.
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Oh, man.
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So you can go to DailyWire.
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You do have to become a subscriber to watch it, but DailyWire was very kind and let us
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continue our church screenings.
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And so like if you have a pastor that has any level of testicular fortitude, any chest
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left and wants to equip and educate and disciple his people to contend for the truths in the
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unborn, have your pastor host a screening at his church for his people by going to the
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1916 project.com, the 1916 project.com and churches can host screenings.
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And I think we have had nearly a thousand churches do that since it launched and pick
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up the book.
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The book goes way deeper, by the way, David, way deeper and all of this stuff.
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It's very accessible, but very vast in its research.
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You'll be shocked at how much research and citations I have for such a short book.
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So that's really the best place to go.
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But yeah, if you don't, if you have a cowardly pastor who is not going to host a screening,
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then anyone can go to DailyWire to watch his film right now.
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And yeah, if you ever felt like, I feel like I've been live to about a few things in this
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republic, the amount of things that will uncover and prove to you in this book and film.
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Yeah.
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I mean, righteously indignant would be an understatement.
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So in preparation for this, I did go back and check out some of those quotes that I put
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in this chapter about from Margaret Sanger.
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It really is infuriating and shocking when you see so many people still support Planned
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Parenthood and are ignorant about its founding and the development.
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What happened in the 19 teens, in the 1920s?
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Every, I mean, they don't teach it in history, of course, they won't.
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But Seth, tell us a little bit more about that history and why we should try to get people
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informed, especially the church.
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Yeah, Chesterton has this great line.
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He says that the disadvantage of men not knowing the past is that they don't know the present.
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History is a hill or a high point advantage from which alone a man sees the town in which
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he lives or the age in which he's living.
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So history is a hill and a high point advantage.
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You can't see or fully understand the city, town, and age you're living in if you don't
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ascend the hill of history.
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And that's why the left has always tried to rewrite history, especially when it pertains
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to their very concerning projects and agendas.
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And where is that more true than with abortion and Planned Parenthood?
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Why is this so significant?
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Because, friend, Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the world.
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They're the largest provider of cross-exformance and puberty blockers for America's gender-confused
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use in the land of the three in the home of the brave.
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And they're the largest provider of the pornographic comprehensive sexuality education in American
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public schools.
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Then in the last five years, brought a bunch of ticked off mom and bares and popabers
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to school board meetings that created almost this organic grassroots like Tea Party
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level movement of parents speaking of school board meetings and getting pedophilic, leaning,
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perverted school board members who like to push porn, curriculum onto kids, primary to
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get them replaced with spirit filled Christians.
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This was such a threat in 2021 that Mary Garland opened up an investigation of domestic
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terrorism, a parent speaking of school board meetings.
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He said we have to squash this organic grassroots movement right now that's exposing so much
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of the rotten fruit of liberalism.
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Okay, that's one organization.
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How does one organization claim those three things?
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Because of a flat shellant church that's traded their birthright for a bowl of porridge.
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So here's a couple takeaways or things that you may have never heard about Planned Parenthood
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before that we need to if we're going to understand the nature of the enemy that we're
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against and why this is fundamentally spiritual and theological in the church's job and why
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we have to make the local church great again, that unless the church flatulent becomes the
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church militant, it will become the church irrelevant.
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And I don't mean militant in like AR-15s, although of course I'm saving up for my next one,
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but I mean like militant in righteousness, like militant for the kingdom.
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Margaret Sanger, 1916, she opens up her first clinic in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn,
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New York after she comes back from England, because she had to flee New York authorities
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for breaking the obscenity laws, okay, the Comstock laws, the anti obscenity laws,
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because she was sending illegal pamphlets about dangerous forms of duchess and birth control
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methods and contraceptive devices.
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And so rather than then get arrested, she has her friends raised her kids and she fleeced
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to England for 18 months. This was before she launched, she opened the first clinic in 1960,
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and she becomes the first Kamala Harris, meaning she sleeps her way up the levels of power in the UK.
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And she jumps in bed with one guy in particular named Havlock Ellis. Havlock Ellis was the Alfred
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Kinsey of England. He was a weird sexual revolutionary coup who hosted orgies in his home
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and forces wife to watch him as he participated in these entanglements. Havlock Ellis had been
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mentored as a protégé sort of of Francis Galton. Francis Galton is the modern father of the
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eugenics movement. Oh wait, he coined the term eugenics. That's right. Francis Galton invented
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the word eugenics. Guess who Francis Galton was? The half cousin of Charles Darwin. So we went
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off to the quickly from Darwin. You're just an animal to eugenics weed out and kill the unfit
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who mentored Havlock Ellis, the Alfred Kinsey of England, who becomes Margaret Sanger's
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number one sexual and political mentor and coaches her journey back to New York City in opening
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the first Planned Parenthood clinic in 1916. A date that Planned Parenthood says on their own website
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is their birthday. They treat that as their origin in 1916. So how quickly did we go from
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man as an animal to treat humans like animals and kill them to behave like animals if it feels good
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do it. Like rabbits just hump to child sacrifice. Well, that happened up quickly and in fact,
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it went from one person to another and four people who all mentored each other that led to Margaret
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Sanger. And then she opens her first clinic in a majority black Hispanic Italian sort of neighborhood
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shockers. The people that she had defined as unfit to reproduce. That's the origin of Planned Parenthood.
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And then in 1921, she found the organization formally with a structure. It was called the American
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birth control league before they changed their name to Planned Parenthood. In 1939, after Hitler
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had given the phrase eugenics a slightly negative connotation. And why did she have to do that? Because
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the American birth control league under Sanger's tutelage David was so connected to the eugenics movement
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globally, nowhere was that more obvious and apparent than in the third right with Adolf Hitler.
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Why are those links so concerning? How can I prove that? Am I just an Alex Jones conspiracy
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theorist? No, Margaret Sanger's first board member was named Lotharip Stoddard who was the
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exalted cyclops of the Massachusetts KKK chapter. But he was so influential that his books were
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read by the Nazis, one in particular called The Menace of the Underman. Who's the Menace? Why are
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they an underman? Well, it was the Black Slavs, Italians, Jews, and the mentally and physically
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disabled. And when the Nazi party paid to translate Sanger's founding board members book into German,
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they translated the word underman from his book The Menace of the Underman into the German word
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Untenmench, meaning subhuman and the word they used to describe those that they would exterminate.
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And then Lotharip Stoddard was invited to the third right in 1939. And he met with Himmler,
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Fritz Salko, Robert Lai, and Adolf Hitler. Sanger's founding board members, the only American to have
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had a one-on-one meeting with Adolf Hitler after he rose to power. And the Nazi plan parenthood links
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get even worse. But that's just part of it. That's just part of it. So yeah, there's a little bit
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of the history. Just a little bit. No, thank you. And I appreciate that because a lot of people,
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maybe we've got a lot of newer listeners and viewers are trying to keep up with you going,
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really, really, really that happened. But we in America, particularly Margaret Sanger and her ilk,
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inspired the Nazis, try to absorb that fact for a moment that they were inspired by the birth
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control and eugenics movements and the, quote, progress that we were making here in America.
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I do want to share one thing real quick and let you comment actually running out of time.
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I want to get to this question. It's the birth control pill. Since Roe v Wade, we are killing more
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pre-born human beings and mother's wombs in the United States. Where do you see that going?
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And what can we do, Seth? It's probably around 70% of the nation's unborn children that are murdered,
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are murdered through the RU-486 abortion bill. Oh, wait, more Nazi stuff. I swear, I don't try to
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just do this. I'm not like, and everything is a Nazi. I really am not. I don't like it when people
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do that, right? When the left, like, you're a Nazi and the right's like, no, you're a Nazi. And it's
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like the only like word or historical reference point that they have to try to articulate evil.
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Like, it's really sloppy. I'm not, I don't like try to be that person. But it's like, the history
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is just there. The abortion bill you're referring to is called RU-486. The RU refers to Roe cell
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Ucloth. Roe cell Ucloth was a French pharmaceutical company that created the abortion till. Anyways,
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their majority shareholder is Hookstay G. It was the German chemical company.
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Hookstay G in 1916. Why? Why did everything happen in 1916? Hookstay G co-founded another German
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chemical company known as IG Farben. And then years later, IG Farben became infamous in the creation
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of a cyanide gas known as cyclone B. The gas used to poison Jews and Nazi death camps. So Hookstay G
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simply shifted from creating poison to murder Jews and other Nazi undesirables to creating poison
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and murder babies is actually the same company. And I have all the citations to prove that with
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the history of my book. And go to the 1916 project.com to get my book and not Amazon because they hate
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the unborn and they hate Christians. But this is why we have to criminalize abortion, David,
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because even in pro-life states, the abortion pills getting shipped across state lines illegally.
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And those babies are being flushed down the toilet. There is no abortionist. The mother is the
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abortionist and the abortion pill is the poison. And there's no one in between. And that's what's
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happening in America right now, even post-Rovie Wade. So this is a bigger problem than just the abortion
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battle in Washington. This is the hearts of young men and women and the devaluing of human life.
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We can go do a whole other podcast on that. But Seth, we appreciate all that you're doing.
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When do you estimate your new book coming out? When did you say?
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The plan is June 6th. And then people we want to invite people to this huge festival. It's
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going to be huge. The last stand.com. It'll be in Denver on June 6th June 6th.
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Awesome. And at the end of the day, we'll do the first worldwide premiere with 3,000 people
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of the last stand. Film. Awesome. Of the last stand film. And that will also be the release of my book.
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Fantastic. Lord willing, we will talk to you well before that. But brother,
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have a Merry Christmas season. Thank you for your voice and for all that you do, your
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boldness. And for speaking the truth, brother. Thanks, Seth. God bless. You too.
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All right, friends. Share this one. Thank you so much for your support. God bless you and
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as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.