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Joe Rogan Experience _2479 - Bob Lazar _ Luigi Vendittelli · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.
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  Speaker 3: All day. We're up, gentlemen. Hey, Joe. Great to see
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  Speaker 3: you again, Bob.
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  Speaker 1: Same here, long time.
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  Speaker 3: Luigi, Joe, you are still to this day the most
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  Speaker 3: watched ever podcast we have ever done that's on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: That's just on rail.
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  Speaker 4: It's on rail.
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  Speaker 3: It is unreal because it shows you how many people
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  Speaker 3: are just absolutely fascinated by the story. And what you
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  Speaker 3: guys have done in this new film is essentially recreate
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  Speaker 3: S4 and using AI, recreate you as a young man
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  Speaker 3: in these experiences that you had. And it was really excellent. Luigi,
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  Speaker 3: you're the one who put the film together. You figured
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  Speaker 3: it all out. And First of all, what was the
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  Speaker 3: technology that you guys used to recreate everything that we did?
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  Speaker 5: I just want to say there's about 10% AI in
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  Speaker 5: the film, but there's 90% Blender. And that's actually handmade CGI.
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  Speaker 5: So everything you see is all handmade. And even the
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  Speaker 5: de-aging of Bob Lazar, we scanned Bob. We went over
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  Speaker 5: to his house, scanned his face, took a process of
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  Speaker 5: de-aging him through that. then creating a digital model of
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  Speaker 5: Bob in different ages, and then placing him in the environment.
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  Speaker 5: And then in some instances at the very end, we
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  Speaker 5: perfected or kind of put a bow on it with
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  Speaker 5: a little touch of AI. But the whole thing is handmade.
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  Speaker 5: So the craft, the environment, the Papoose Lake, the facility,
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  Speaker 5: the equipment, and the people were all made. And some
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  Speaker 5: of the people are actually real actors that we put
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  Speaker 5: in there. So it's not– there's one of the guys
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  Speaker 5: that is Barry in the film is a guy called
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  Speaker 5: Luis Martinez that's been working with me for the past
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  Speaker 5: 10 years, and he laughs at it because he goes,
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  Speaker 5: I can't believe I'm Barry.
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  Speaker 3: Does he look anything like Barry?
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  Speaker 1: Actually, he does. He does.
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  Speaker 5: That's why we chose him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Where is the actual Barry now?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I kind of thought at
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  Speaker 1: one point after all this happened, we would at least
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  Speaker 1: hear from one of those guys. But– I never heard
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  Speaker 1: from anybody after the initial release of all the information.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like, well, I don't know. If people are
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  Speaker 3: able to keep secrets for this long, it's got to
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  Speaker 3: be very difficult to just blurt it out. You're holding
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  Speaker 3: on to a secret for 20, 30, 40 years.
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  Speaker 1: I guess. These guys were lifers, though. I mean, they
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  Speaker 1: spent most of their time there. They spent at least
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  Speaker 1: two weeks at a time and one week off. So
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  Speaker 1: they stayed at the base. I mean, these guys were hardcore.
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  Speaker 1: I had just come in on the project, you know, so.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what happened to him. I'd love to know.
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  Speaker 1: I suspect that Dennis Mariani, my supervisor, died. I've seen
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  Speaker 1: people track him down, you know, all the way to
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  Speaker 1: point to. speaking to his family, and they said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he had some classified job out in the desert or something,
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  Speaker 1: and they showed me his gravestone and stuff. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at least they were able to track him down. But
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard of any leads on Barry or Rene
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  Speaker 1: or anybody like that.
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  Speaker 3: What is it like seeing the recreation of it in
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  Speaker 3: a film? Because, I mean, essentially it was your– direction,
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  Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, your description of it,
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  Speaker 3: you telling them exactly how everything was laid out, and
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  Speaker 3: then once they recreated it, what is that feeling like
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  Speaker 3: when you watch it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the final product is absolutely mind-blowing because, as I've
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  Speaker 1: said to Luigi, it looks like you guys downloaded that
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  Speaker 1: out of my brain. I mean, you know, you can
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  Speaker 1: describe something a hundred times and until you actually make
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  Speaker 1: a picture it doesn't become clear but you know this
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  Speaker 1: took years I think it was like five and a
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  Speaker 1: half years from when I first met Luigi and he
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  Speaker 1: said yeah I can do this and the quality kept
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  Speaker 1: improving to where he started showing me pictures and I
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  Speaker 1: went Jesus that's that's really it it's not really it
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  Speaker 1: it's really it and I mean it it blew me
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  Speaker 1: away Later on, he showed me a 3D environment where
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  Speaker 1: I could put goggles on and move around inside. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that made the hair stand up on my arms. It
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  Speaker 1: was unbelievable. So I don't know if I could really
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  Speaker 1: describe how that made me feel, but it felt like
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  Speaker 1: I was teleported back there. And that's when really I
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  Speaker 1: developed an admiration for Luigi's talent. I said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm behind this and flew out to Canada a couple times.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have much to do with the film other
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  Speaker 1: than I guess a couple of times going out there
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  Speaker 1: and going, no, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: That's the wrong color. Move this here, do that. And, uh,
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  Speaker 4: but those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Spent over three years working on it and, um, you
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  Speaker 1: know what they, and they never showed me anything. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I speak to Luigi, you know, a couple of times
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  Speaker 1: a month and, you know, he'd always say, you, you,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, you won't believe this.
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  Speaker 4: I said, show me. No, it's not, it's not done yet.
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  Speaker 1: So, I really didn't get it to see anything until
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  Speaker 1: close to the end. But when I did, really, without
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  Speaker 1: trying to sound dramatic, it really put tears in my
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  Speaker 1: eyes going that that's it.
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  Speaker 5: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: You did it.
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  Speaker 4: Just stop.
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  Speaker 1: It's perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I had the pleasure of watching the movie with
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  Speaker 3: you and sitting there with you. There was a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of times in the movie you were like.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah you could tell yeah yeah i swear i
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  Speaker 6: could feel that place i i could feel it watching
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  Speaker 6: that movie and it it just it really freaks me
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  Speaker 6: out because as i've said before it's not like what
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  Speaker 6: i saw it's it's exactly what i saw um.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's perfect it's just like luigi was at s4
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  Speaker 1: with a camera so um.
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  Speaker 3: It's very unique.
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  Speaker 1: It worked.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very unique documentary in that regard. And watching
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  Speaker 3: it with you, seeing you experience this thing, and then
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  Speaker 3: me trying to imagine what it's like for you. You're
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  Speaker 3: this young scientist who gets brought in on this thing
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  Speaker 3: without much explanation, and then all of a sudden you're
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  Speaker 3: confronted by this craft. Yes. And, you know, the way
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  Speaker 3: it's broken down in the film and you get to
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  Speaker 3: actually see you viewing this thing and being in the
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  Speaker 3: presence of this thing for the first time. It's just,
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  Speaker 3: I could just only imagine what that must have been
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  Speaker 3: like for you. And it's so weird to watch you
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  Speaker 3: watch it again and see your wheels spin.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What the fuck happened to my life, man? What did
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  Speaker 3: they do to me? What did they do? Make me experience, like,
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  Speaker 3: what the hell?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really can't fill in the blanks there.
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  Speaker 5: I want to just say that there was a time
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  Speaker 5: when Bob got angry at me a lot because I
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't show him. And he was like, come on, show me.
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  Speaker 5: And I said, it's not ready yet. I don't want
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  Speaker 5: to show you something. But at a certain point, we
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  Speaker 5: had to. And Bob started remembering more stuff.
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  Speaker 4: When you saw it.
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  Speaker 1: It really made a big difference when he showed me
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  Speaker 1: some things and, you know, walking down the corridor here
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  Speaker 1: in turn, oh, stop, wait, there's another door there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it was like I was going back into the facility
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  Speaker 1: and really brought, I mean, actually seeing it again really
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  Speaker 1: brought some things back that I had completely forgotten about.
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  Speaker 4: So that, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what's really fascinating is For people that don't know
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  Speaker 3: your story you came up with the story you talked
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  Speaker 3: to George Knapp and was it 89 88 88 89.
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  Speaker 1: Somewhere in there so late 80s you've essentially told the
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  Speaker 1: exact same story all these years and then within the
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  Speaker 1: last you know nine ten years We've started to get
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  Speaker 1: all these reports.
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  Speaker 3: There was the New York Times story and There was
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  Speaker 3: the Go Fast video and the FLIR video and all
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  Speaker 3: these videos that show a craft that's moving the way
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  Speaker 3: you described this sport model moving. Right. Which kind of
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  Speaker 3: freaked a lot of people out with the way it
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  Speaker 3: rotated and turned.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It does the belly roll, faces at the bottom
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  Speaker 1: towards where it's want to go, and then it takes off. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's exactly how you described all those years ago, which
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  Speaker 3: is really fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's, I mean, that's the way it was, but
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  Speaker 4: it's just, it's.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy because you had this story way, way, way
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  Speaker 3: back then. And everybody's like, this guy's just making things up.
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  Speaker 3: This is all cockamamie bullshit. And then you see those
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  Speaker 3: videos from these fighter jets and you're like, whoa, wait
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  Speaker 3: a minute. It's moving the exact same way he described.
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  Speaker 3: It's doing what he described in 1989. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Um, Time to take a drink. Cheers. Because it's so weird.
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  Speaker 3: I can't. I mean, I've had so many conversations with people. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, one of the things that comes up is,
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  Speaker 3: do you think Bob Lazar is telling the truth? And
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  Speaker 3: I say, look, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: There's no.
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  Speaker 3: Way I can know. But he doesn't seem like he's lying.
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  Speaker 3: I've been around a lot of liars.
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  Speaker 1: Look, nobody can know unless you're there. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: the biggest skeptic of all. Although if you look at Wikipedia,
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  Speaker 1: it says I'm a conspiracy theorist. I think it says.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a far-right podcaster.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. I mean, yeah, it's crazy. But that's
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  Speaker 1: my train of thought now.
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  Speaker 5: Well, basically, are you a conspiracy theorist? No, you don't
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  Speaker 5: even look at this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you have a lie, you have one lie,
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  Speaker 3: and it's amazing because you've told the same one.
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  Speaker 5: For all these years.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pretty detailed lie.
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  Speaker 3: It's also not normal. Like normally when people lie, they
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  Speaker 3: get bored with the same lie and then they come
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  Speaker 3: up with another lie. And there's some other stories. You
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  Speaker 3: catch them. Eventually you catch them. There's some cockamamie new
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  Speaker 3: thing that they come up with. And it's the type
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  Speaker 3: of people that are that deceptive. I mean, it's just
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense. It doesn't fit the standard model
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  Speaker 3: of someone.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there are other people involved with it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is for the first time, Gene Huff. Finally is
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  Speaker 1: on film, you know, because when I had the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the test flight information, it was one of the not
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  Speaker 1: one of the he was the first person I told
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  Speaker 1: about that. And, you know, we were all able to
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  Speaker 1: go out and and see it. And everybody knew that
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't crazy. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: And then also all the confirmation that you were being
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  Speaker 3: fucked with. That, you know, when you were in the gym,
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  Speaker 3: they would show up and open up your locked car
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  Speaker 3: doors and open up your trunk and leave it there
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  Speaker 3: so you'd go out there and see it. They'd go
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  Speaker 3: to your house when you weren't there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were even, right, they were even following George Knapp. And,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, all of us, anybody that had anything to
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  Speaker 1: do with it at that time, they were keeping eyes on.
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  Speaker 3: It was... Not just eyes, but a lot of intimidation tactics.
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  Speaker 3: Just letting you know. Letting you know that they could
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  Speaker 3: touch you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've really worked for decades to push this out of
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  Speaker 1: my mind, so it's always tough to bring it back
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  Speaker 1: and talk about it. And it's, yeah, although it might
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  Speaker 1: be funny now, it wasn't funny then at all. It
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  Speaker 1: was a really stressful time. And still is a very
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  Speaker 1: stressful thing for me.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's so many years ago, but Do you
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  Speaker 3: remember the thought that came in your mind when you
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  Speaker 3: realized that it wasn't ours?
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  Speaker 4: Do I remember the thought?
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember the experience?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember the feeling.
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  Speaker 3: Because initially you saw the American flag sticker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I saw the American flag, when I first
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  Speaker 1: went in, the first time I went in through the
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  Speaker 1: hangar door instead of around the back.
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  Speaker 1: Slid my hand across it, saw the American flag, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought, oh, my God, this explains the UFO nuts.
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  Speaker 3: It's ours.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is ours. This is a new top-secret fighter.
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  Speaker 1: We came up with a new propulsion system. It explains
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  Speaker 1: everything because I never believed in flying saucers. I thought
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  Speaker 1: people were nuts. But when they started reviewing everything with me,
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to replace somebody or something, They were
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  Speaker 1: trying to use me to replace somebody as quick as possible.
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  Speaker 1: And they had two directives. Directive one was to duplicate
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  Speaker 1: the technology with available material at any cost, which is
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  Speaker 1: verbatim what it was. And directive two was to be
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  Speaker 1: able to disable this technology at a distance at any cost. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, once you start thinking about that... wait, don't
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  Speaker 1: you guys know how the thing you built worked? And
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like they left that out. That this,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, this isn't ours. And Barry is the
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  Speaker 1: guy that filled me in going.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: This is an alien craft. And we need to figure
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  Speaker 1: out how this works. Look at the technology here. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is decades, light years ahead of where we are.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a It was a shock, really, to me.
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  Speaker 1: I remember going home that night and just laying in
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  Speaker 1: bed and reviewing everything that everybody said that day. And
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  Speaker 1: I really don't remember how I felt the following days,
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  Speaker 1: but it was just a different feeling.
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  Speaker 3: Like the world just changed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, I.
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  Speaker 4: Don't know, I really can't put it into words.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine what that experience
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  Speaker 3: is like. And it's also very strange that they would
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  Speaker 3: bring you in and not specifically state to you that
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  Speaker 3: this is not ours. They just bring you in and
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  Speaker 3: just give you a directive. This is what you are
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  Speaker 3: trying to accomplish.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they gave me a bunch of briefings.
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  Speaker 1: Everything was moving at a very fast pace, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why. I think I mentioned in the movie,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: right prior to I got there, there were There were
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Russians involved. And, you know, from what I can ascertain,
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  Speaker 1: there was an exchange of information. And then we discovered something,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: something of great importance. And, of course, kicked the Russians
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  Speaker 1: out and just held on to that information ourselves. And
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: there was kind of a knowledge vacuum there. There was
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  Speaker 1: also an accident. And I was told I was replacing someone.
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  Speaker 4: That was injured. I believe he actually died.
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  Speaker 3: Um, there's no record of who this person was or
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  Speaker 3: has anybody ever tried to figure it out?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have any names. I just
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  Speaker 1: know that Barry told me, you know, I'm replacing somebody
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  Speaker 1: that he used to work with and he was without
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  Speaker 1: a lab partner for a while. So when I came
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  Speaker 1: in there, um, how long is a while? I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean, that brings up a good point. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, we're dealing with alien or another civilization technology,
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  Speaker 1: whether it, You know, it's from another dimension, another time,
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  Speaker 1: another planet. I mean, who really knows? So I'll eventually
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  Speaker 1: get to answer the question here, but wouldn't you think
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  Speaker 1: this place would be more like the lunar receiving lab
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  Speaker 1: where everything is white? You know, so you can see
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  Speaker 1: a speck of dust. Everything is sterile. People are being
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  Speaker 1: extremely careful with what they're doing, but you're not seeing that.
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  Speaker 1: This is in now something akin to an aircraft hangar
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert. There is dust on everything.
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  Speaker 1: People are taking everything nonchalantly. There's a frigging poster about
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  Speaker 1: the thing.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they're here, poster there.
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  Speaker 3: And thank you, Luigi, for getting me that poster. We've
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  Speaker 3: got to figure out a place for that and put
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  Speaker 3: it in here somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: It's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: But, I mean, they went to the trouble of making
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  Speaker 4: a poster. I think right here.
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  Speaker 5: That's a good place.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good spot right there.
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  Speaker 1: But they actually cut one of the amplifiers out of
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  Speaker 1: the craft.
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  Speaker 4: This is in the film as well, you can see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but my point is it's so nonchalant at this point.
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  Speaker 1: When they first had it, it had to be at
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  Speaker 1: that level. And they became so used to it, so
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  Speaker 1: familiar with it, that to them it just became like another.
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  Speaker 1: Fighter aircraft or something from another country. So it must
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  Speaker 1: have been there a long time is what my point is. Because, look,
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  Speaker 1: as soon as you have something that unique, you don't
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  Speaker 1: let it just sit there in a hangar and be
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  Speaker 1: exposed to the environment and have security people walking by
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  Speaker 1: and people touching it. I mean, it's in an isolated, sealed,
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  Speaker 1: secure environment.
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  Speaker 4: And they were past that.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it had been there for a decade
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  Speaker 1: or decades, a long time. And these guys were intimately
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  Speaker 1: familiar with it, not afraid of it, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: knew what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: So they essentially had gotten just completely acclimated to the
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: fact that this craft exists, that it was there, and
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: there had been relatively little progress as far as figuring
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: it out and figuring out what it does and how
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: to recreate it. So it just kind of sat there.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: And so I think they were making very little progress.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And I think they kept going over the same road
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: again and again. And they probably had other experts there
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and just didn't. And I think the reason I got
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: hired is because I was a guy out in left
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: field that didn't necessarily follow what was going on. I mean,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the biggest distractors in the in in. You know, to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: me anyway, in the story. Our other scientists, other physicists, well,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: they would have hired me because I'm the top guy
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: in the field. Yeah, you probably are. But I think
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: they hired plenty of you guys, and you just kept
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: going down the same road and didn't do anything. I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: think they were looking for somebody that just would have
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: some radical idea and just to push the project forward
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: because everything had stalled when I got there. And I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: think they were just in a desperate move to make
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: some progress.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: One of the things you talked about in the first
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: podcast that I think is really important is that the
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: only way for science to really progress is that these
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: various scientists have to be able to communicate and you
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: have to be able to share ideas and you have
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: to be able to collaborate. But that's not how this
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: was run because it was so top secret. Everything was compartmentalized.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Like the metallurgists weren't talking to the propulsions people who
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: weren't talking to if there were biologics experts, like everybody was.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Super frustrating. Super frustrating. Because I think.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly where that started.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Again, it's 40 years ago. But I think it started
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: with the seats.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: And.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: No, it started with the actual skin of the craft
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: because everything looked like it was made from the same material.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And I wanted some information about the... in the skin,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the superstructure of the craft. And they said, no, it's,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that's restricted. What's, you know, we, we need a reason
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: for you to, I just want to see if everything
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: is exactly the same material and what I call the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: seats in the craft. I still don't know if they're
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the seats, but they might be. I think it'd be
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: hilarious if they were actually something else. Um, But I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: wanted some information on those. And that was restricted information, too.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: There were other groups working on that. So they compartmentalize
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: stuff so much. There was no exchange of information between
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: any groups. I mean, you could submit a written response
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that your supervisor, in my case, Dennis, would have to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: carry over and they would have to approve. And, you know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: you'd get a two or three line response from, you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the other group. But That's not how science works. Science
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: works on the free exchange of information. And they were
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: just killing themselves with security.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: And it was really frustrating. It was terribly frustrating.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: So was this a function of security people, people that
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: are concentrated on top security, that don't truly understand how
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: collaborative science works?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it right there. You can't stop right there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: They had no idea how that works.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Because it stands to reason that whatever that thing was
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: made out of probably in some way interacts with the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: propulsion system and whatever controls that are in it, that
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: this material has to be particularly unique.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Exactly. That's exactly my point. And I suspected the material
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: was an electric.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: You know what an electric is?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: No. Okay, you know like a magnet, a permanent magnet
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, it's a magnet. Forever it's a magnet.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It has a magnetic field. An electric is a material
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that has a permanent static field to it. A static
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: electric field to it. And I strongly suspected that the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: craft was made out of an electric. And I was not— because, again,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that's the material science, guys. I was not allowed to
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: connect that tube. But that's so important to connect it
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to the propulsion system and how the propulsion system interacts
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: with the amplifier or the emitters. And I just— I wasn't allowed,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you know, the information I needed. So it was— I
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: don't know. It was self-defeating is what it was.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: It seems like they were treating it like a fighter
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: jet or an automobile. Like in an automobile, you have
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the outer area, the shell of the car. You have
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: the doors, the skins, the hood, the roof, all that stuff.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: But then you have the propulsion system, which is the
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: engine and the transmission and the tires and the wheels
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: and the suspensions. But they're all not connected. They're connected
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: because they're bolted together, but they have different functions. Right.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I think the idea or the concept, at least as
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I'm gathering from you, is that this thing all worked
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: as a cohesive unit. Right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: With no physical connection between, you know, between the subsystems.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: And all of it made out of the same material.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: At least on the outside. At least on the outside.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: All made of the same material. And the other crafts
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: all had the same power plant in them. So that
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: brings to mind, you know, like a GM plant that
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: makes a car with a Chevy 350 and makes, you know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a dozen different models to it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: So that makes you think about, boy, is there a
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: factory making these things? And, you know, your brain can
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: just wander off in directions. But I tried to stick
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: with just the technology.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Um, did you know who the metallurgists were? The people that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Were, I saw them, you know, I know them and Barry,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: we'd go to the lunchroom. Barry would point them out.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: You know, and you weren't allowed to communicate with them
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: at all.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Hell no.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You have a, a lab partner, which my, in, in, uh,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: my case was Barry and you're, you have, you're allowed
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to talk to your lab partner, but you can't talk
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to any other group that has to go through a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: written request, has to go to your, um, supervisor and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: he'll bring it over to them and they'll bring it
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: back and so on and so forth but uh yeah
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: that's that's ridiculous that that that it slows down any
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: progress you might be making.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Which is why they were probably stalled out for decades
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: yeah did you ever expressly communicate to them that you
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: you theorized at least that this all could be connected
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: that there's something about the way the metal works?
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, we all knew that. We all knew that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Because we'd get requests from other groups. And you could
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: tell they're desperate, just like we are, and fighting against
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the system.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: What kind of requests would you get?
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Just exactly what we found out. Where is the energy
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: being transferred here? If the reactor fires up, is there
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: a field present around it? Or is the field just
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: absorbed into the emitter and you can touch the reactor itself?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Just little things like that. And actually, that was an
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: important thing. When the reactor's operating, is it perfectly tuned,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the emitter, to where it removes all the energy from
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the reactor and pushes it out the bottom? And the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: answer to that was no. I remember that as a
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: specific request from you know, from one of the groups. Um,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the metallurgy group is the one that we really wanted
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to hear from. Uh, and some of the groups, I didn't,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what some of the other groups were,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: but how many groups were there? I don't know. There
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: were only 22 people there total, including myself.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: So, um, I, I would like for you to tell Joe,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: One of the things that also interested me because I
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: built the craft is how the wave guide worked with
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: the ceiling and the interior and how it blended. If
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: you can explain, there was no telescopic.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Well, this is why we wanted to talk to the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: metallurgist people. The reactor that sits on the bottom of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the craft has a little dome over it. And there's
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: something that looks like a pipe that's slight. You can
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: lift it up and take the reactor out. put the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: reactor in and lift it down. But you know, like
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a antenna works on an old walkie talkie. It has
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: different sections.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: There it is. There's from the video.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: There it is. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, you can retract the pipe, but there's no
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: sections and it doesn't get any thicker.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: It just becomes smaller.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: And if you look underneath, um, where the emitters hang down, um,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: they turn, and it doesn't buckle. It's a magical material.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: This is the basis of the craft, is really the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: material that it's made of. It's amazing the way it works.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: You can push it into a smaller volume, and it
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't change at all. It doesn't get bigger physically.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: It's... I don't really know how to describe it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: So you're lifting the pipe up and down, but it's
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: not going anywhere?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Look, if you had a big pipe and you push
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it together, it has to get thicker.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Because the material has to go somewhere. This doesn't.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: It stays in exactly the same dimensions. It just becomes smaller.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: How? Well, yeah. Because you couldn't talk to the metallurgist,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: so you have no idea.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but those guys knew how.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: They did know how. Well, they know it did it.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: They know it did it and that's their job. So
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I imagine they have more information than I did.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: But that was fascinating. It really was.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And the waveguides that hold the emitters, they come down
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and the emitters can turn and bend and the pipes
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: bend and nothing changes in them. And there's no wires
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: or anything to make The pipe bend. I'm trying to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: relate it to something, but I can't think of anything
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to relate it to.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Well, one thing that you said that I also thought.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: was fascinating there's no seams so everything looks like it's.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: 3D printed again right it comes down to the material.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Which at the time 3D printers weren't real right.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: They yeah at the time that really confused me I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: said how did they build this it must have been
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: built out of wax or something and then melted um
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Because you can't build anything without seams. And then 3D
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: printing came into existence, and you could build stuff from
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: layers up. That made sense.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Some sort of 3D printer, or they grew.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It in some... Of course, it's not a crystal in fashion, but.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that was fabricated. But it was
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: fabricated different than anything that we have. I don't even
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: think it was 3D printed.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: And so you never got any inkling or any understanding
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: of what the metal was, what kind of an alloy,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: what it consisted of?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: All I can say, it was cold to the touch because,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: you know, when I touched it. But I can't say
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: if it was a ceramic or metal. I'd say it
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: was metal because it was cold.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Because it looks like metal.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like metal.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: This is the Designs by Perry version of it. How
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: much does that look like?
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: No, that's 100%.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: It's got to have the first ripple supposed to be black.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: See?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Luigi has gone over this so many times.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've built this thing, so... There's an insulator
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: ring in there.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Jimmy, show what it looks like in the film. If
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you could show one of the images.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I was pulling it off the trailer, and I don't...
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: They've been holding that back for a while.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, on the trailer, there's a ring. Yeah, there's a
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: ring around it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And we measured the voltage on the craft, and there
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: was a high voltage on it. And above that ring,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: there is not.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: This is not a good shot. This is the original trailer.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: It's the new trailer that would actually... Yeah, that one there.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: And you'll get to see it right.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: There.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Actually, right after this. It's actually before this, I believe.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: You're going to see the craft. And if you see,
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: there's a black line. It's the first ripple. That's actually
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: not metal.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is. That's a good shot. We call
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: that the insulator ring because below that, there's a high
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: voltage present on the craft all the time. And above that,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: there isn't.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I would imagine that your life has like two completely
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: different chapters is before this and after this. Whereas like
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: once you see it, the whole rest of your life
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: is now going to be very different. And you are,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: you are in its presence for how long would you
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: work there for?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe six months or so.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: So for six months you're around this thing and, I
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: would imagine it has to occupy your thoughts 24 hours
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: a day.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Well, at the time it did, for sure. It's actually
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: three stages to the life. It's before it, during, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: after it. Before it was just my life, during was
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: when it happened, and then the after part of my
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: life is almost trying to dismiss it, you know, to
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: just go on.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't talk about it for a long time.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, you did the George Knapp interviews. You talked
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: about it a little. You made some videos explaining things
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: and how things worked.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: No, I don't really like public attention. And I don't
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: really like doing interviews, as you probably know.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: But I know there's people that thrive on that stuff.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But I felt privileged to be part of the project.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: But it left me with an insatiable appetite. Oh, my God,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I want to know where it's gone. Look, even when
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I was there in the 80s, they were talking about
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: moving the project at that time. So I'm dying to know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: is it still there?
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Has it moved on?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Did they split it up and move it to other places? Yeah,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I remember Barry talking about moving it to... the South Pacific,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: like in Kwajalein or something, but they said the expenses
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: were so great they couldn't do that, but they wanted
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: it away from everybody. And they hated the fact that
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: it was right alongside the highway in Nevada, you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: by south of Area 51. But that's the best place
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: they had at the time and the most affordable. And,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of course, now with, you know, budgets being so tight,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: who knows.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: Where it is.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Who knows if budgets are tight for this, though?
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: That's true. I mean, they did say at whatever expense,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: figure this out.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were serious about that. We don't really care
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: what it was. So like the original Apollo program, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: back in the Apollo program, if they needed parts and
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: if somebody had something ordered UPS or through the mail
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: or whatever, they had the authority to stop that shipment.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to that other person and take their stuff if they
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: needed it. And, you know, they had an unlimited budget.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're working like that, you could do anything.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Or at least anything that's currently possible with today's technology.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Which therein lies the problem, is that they're dealing with
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: something that's not possible. Like, you couldn't build it from
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: scratch with American technology in 1989.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: No, but that's what they wanted to do. And really
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: thinking about that now, I'm not sure. I'm not exactly
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: sure these guys should be allowed to do that. This
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: is really powerful technology. And the world has really changed.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have a lot of crazy people doing
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: stuff now. And nonsense transmits through the population.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: At the speed of light. And, you know, I don't know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: This can be a very powerful technology.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: World-conquering technology. And look, for 40 years, I think I've
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: said this before, for 40 years, all the people in
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: control of this information have all agreed to keep it quiet.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And these aren't idiots. These aren't idiots for 40 years.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: You have a line of people that all have agreed, no,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: let's not say anything. No, let's not say anything. No,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: let's not say anything. There has to be a reason why.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: And if they all agreed to that, maybe I'm the asshole. No, really.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Maybe they're right.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe you would have figured that out if you kept
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: working for them.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. But I'm increasingly thinking I'm the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: one that made the mistake. Maybe this is supposed to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: be just kept quiet.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that doesn't ring true. Because I don't think...
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: It's ever healthy if small groups of individuals have information
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: that would change our understanding of where we are.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think they deserve it. I don't think it's right.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think it makes any sense.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I think you have an obligation to. But really think
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: about it. What if it's something that's really dramatic?
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Like how so? What do you think would be like?
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, what if it's. I'm not saying this is
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: what it is.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, what if it's like, you know, like
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: we raise cows out in a field and just feed
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: them grass and they're just going to be food.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: What if it's something like that?
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: What if we're just like, you know, a population of
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: creatures that are just to be consumed in some way?
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we're to be consumed. but I
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: do think we are.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Not physically consumed like eaten, but I mean.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I think we have a task.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: And I'm more and more convinced as time goes on
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: that we were engineered. I don't think we came about
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: as a normal evolutionary process like all the other animals.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: I really agree with that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that think that. It just
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense objectively. I mean, without seeming like a kook.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Or someone who buys into conspiracy theories, if you just
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: look at all the other biology on Earth, why is
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: one so uniquely able to manipulate its environment, communicate instantaneously
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: at distance, can't really even exist in its environment in
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: most places that it lives without clothes and shelter? We're
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: a weird animal. We're very strange. We don't seem to
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: have normally adapted to our environment. with the way we've
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: completely controlled our environment with air conditioning and electricity and
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: electronics and flight and travel, we're so beyond everything else
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: that evolved. Whereas every other animal, predator or prey, plant
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: eater or meat eater, all seems to cohesively exist inside
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: of its ecosystem. And then you have us, which is like,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: almost like an invasive species, like invasive species destroy ecosystems, like,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: because they don't belong there. Well, that's kind of what
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: we do. Like we suck all the fish out of
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: the ocean. We pollute the rivers with our technology. We
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: You know, mess up underground water systems with fracking and drilling.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: We're like an invasive species in a lot of ways.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: We're really weird.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I can't argue with that at all.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this Tim Burchett thing. So Tim Burchett has recently
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: been talking about this and that he can't talk about
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: it because it's classified. But he said you'd be up
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: at night with the things that I've seen if the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: things that I've seen have released.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: He said, we just need you to disclose it all.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I'm sick of it. Well, I was briefed, and I
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: will tell you this. I was briefed last week on
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: an issue, or excuse me, two weeks ago, and it
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: would have set the earth on. This country would have
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: become unglued, I think, if they would have heard all
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: that I heard.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Well, this is what I was talking about. It's not
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of space brothers coming down going, oh,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: look what we discovered. Here, have some information. What if
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: it's not that? What if all the information is bad?
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: But what would be bad? Like, have you ever thought
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: about this? Tried to, like, play it out to its
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: natural conclusion? Like, what do you think the scenarios could
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: be that's bad? I don't know.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Everything that we're... Look, we view ourselves at the top
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: of the food chain. What if we're not anywhere near there?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think we are. Okay.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: What if we're just consumables?
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Consumables. Well, I don't know if chimpanzees are consumables, right?
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: They're not at the top of the food chain either, right?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: No, but I would consider them substantially lower than we are.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: My good friend that died, John Lear, who had a
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: bunch of crazy thoughts, he used to come over and
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: tell us that on.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: The moon there was a soul sucker.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: He said this. You better give me that bottle.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Have another drink before you explain this one.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, boy.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: A soul sucker. John Lear was an eccentric individual. I'm
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: kind of sad I never met him.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Man, he was. Supporting evidence?
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: He was. What? Terrence McKenna talking about the moon being
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: a soul catcher?
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, my.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, he'd give me pictures of these giant
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: antennas on the moon.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: In fact, I'll tell you a story. He, you know,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: he was.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: An accomplished pilot, had many world records and things of that,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you know, part of the Lear family that. His father
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: invented autopilot, the 8-track tape, all kinds of stuff. But
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: John Lear was a loose cannon. At the time, he'd
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: fly from Las Vegas and shuttle L-1011s, which are giant planes,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: back and forth. And he'd say, you know, be kind
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of lonely. He goes, hey, you want to go to
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Minneapolis tonight? He'd call me like at 9 o'clock at night.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: And say, well, no, not really. Come on, come on,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: fly with me. He said, just put on a suit and,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: you know, come to so-and-so. And I'd go to McCarran
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Airport and, you know, go there. And, yeah, I'm going
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to tell everybody you're, you know, an inspector from the FAA.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, great.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: You know, and I'd get on the plane and they said,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: you know, just act like you're, you know, going to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: kick everyone's ass. So I did. Go on there, and
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: they fold down a jump seat behind the plane, and
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I just sit there looking at everybody. God, all this
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: stuff is so illegal.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Get on there and fly.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: The L-1011 was a pretty advanced plane at the time.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: This was in the 80s.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: John would be.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Smoking his pipe. He'd take off.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: He'd put his feet up and smoke his pipe, and
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: he'd fall asleep. And I'd just be, you know, hanging
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: out there. And, you know, before the plane would land,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: he'd just, you know, wake up and, you know, be
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: smoking his pipe and the plane would land itself. At
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the time, my wife was taking flying lessons. And he said, yeah, yeah,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you know, bring her up here. And I think they
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: had an engineer also on another panel. I don't quite remember,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: but I was there with my wife.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: People on board.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And he'd say, hey, come on here and take the wheel.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: And he'd get the captain of the plane.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Which, you know, I think my wife was in her
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: 20s at the time, and just sit her down and say, yeah,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: hold on to it.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: And, you know, just keep correcting. And he just let
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: her fly the plane, which is insane.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: And, you know, the co-pilot would just look over and
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I remember looking over at, I think, the engineer that
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: looked at the gauges, and he just put his head
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: down and pretended like nothing was happening. And that was
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: just one time. Another time, he was ferrying an L-1011
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: going by Roswell. At the time, I was living in
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: New Mexico. And they called him and told him he
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't getting paid, that the company was... you know, defaulted
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: or something like that. And he was coming up to
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: New Mexico and landed at the Roswell, just took the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: plane and landed at the Roswell airport. The whole 10-11,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: got off, walked out, walked up to a bus station,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: gave me a call on the pay phone and said.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Hey, Bob, I'm coming over.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: You know, you're in New Mexico.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: And he drove up. Taxi would drop him off at
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: the house.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: He'd walk.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: He walked in.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: He went, boy, I'm tired. And he just lay down
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: on the couch, you know, and go to sleep. And
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I said, what are you doing here? What's going on?
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, I just.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Dropped a plane off. They're not paying me. And, you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that's it. But, I mean, John Lear was such like
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: a loose cannon. He was a great friend to have,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: but he had no bullshit filter. If he had a
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: retired general come up and give him all kinds of
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: information— or if he had a psychic come up from,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you know, the neighborhood and give him all kinds of information,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: he'd put him in the same category, you know? And
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: so he really did have useful information that was difficult
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to get, but it was mixed up with nonsense.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: And sometimes he would just really lean into that nonsense.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Like he was convinced... that the sun wasn't hot and
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: there were people living inside. And I used to die laughing.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I went, you are insane. I said, you, you can't
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: prove it's hot. Yes, I can. You know, just go outside,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: you know, on a hot day, you know, and, and, uh,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: you know, and John said, that's not the sun. That's
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: just the, the sun's atmosphere that's on fire. And I said,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: you're just crazy, but we got along and he knew
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: that I, I thought he was crazy, but, The thing is,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of people did come to him and give
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: him good information. Anyway, I don't remember where.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: I was going with this. That's the thing about some people.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Some people will tell you nonsense and then they'll tell
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: you true things.
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: It's difficult to accept that true things also come from
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: people that say nonsense. Right. Like just because they've said
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: something that's nonsense doesn't mean necessarily that this thing they're
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: saying is not true, this other thing. And you've got
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: to be able to discern. You've got– like I talk
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: to a lot of people that say a lot of
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: kooky things that don't make any sense, but then they'll
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: say something that rings true. And it's difficult because you
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: have to have some sort of an understanding of the
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: human psyche– And of those kind of people, because there
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: are kind of people that have very loose nets.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: You're counting on their filter working like yours.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: But some good stuff gets in there and you go,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: hold on, what did you just say?
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Tell me that again. How does that one work?
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't really discount people because somebody comes up
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: with some absolute nonsense.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: It just means their filter is defective.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Right. Which is also the reason why they're willing to
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: entertain things online. That are outside of the normal spectrum. Right.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: So like they might have actual real useful information, but
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: it's wrapped up in there with Bigfoot.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: But so the soul catcher thing.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's where I was going. The soul catcher.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: So I remember him sitting and I think he was
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: telling my wife Joy the story because I walked in
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: And he said, yeah. There are these giant antennas, and.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: When you die, your soul goes up. And I think
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: he said the greys, you know, this alien race, set
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: up this soul catcher, and that's what this whole thing
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: is about. And as you die, it sucks your soul in,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and they use it in some way. And it's not
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: where your soul is supposed to go. They just, like.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: set some sort of intercept.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Did he say where your soul was supposed to go?
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: No.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: No.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: No, he was just more really into the soul catcher.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: But that was one of the weirder things about some
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: of the documents that you had at least been alerted
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: to when you were on the base. And one of
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: them being that humans... are containers. Containers, yeah. Yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Which the likely conclusion is containers of souls. If a
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: soul is a real thing, whatever the.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: That's what you would think.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Right. I mean, that's what I thought.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean... It's just a guess. I would prefer
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: to believe that that's not true.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: Hmm.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: But maybe it is. I just... I don't know. As
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Barry said, you know, they mix absolute nonsense in there.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: So, if they get.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: If you... And it's unique to each person. So if
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: you give out any information and they go, we heard
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: some stuff about soul catchers.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, we know that came from Lazar.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: So that's just a way where they can direct where
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: it came to.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Then the problem is like decades and decades, generations and
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: generations of people working there. How many people know what
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: the real truth is and how many people know what.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: The nonsense is? I don't know. I mean there must
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: be a group of people. that really have the pure
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: information of what's going on.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: I would assume, but not necessarily.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: There has to be a group of people that know
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: what's going on.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Who are those people?
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: You know, and to me, like I was telling Luigi,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I have a bunch of questions for me, you know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Right. Like what would be your questions for you if
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: you met you?
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Now, questions for me are people that ask me over
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: decades the same questions.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: Same questions. You know, why is it the Navy? The
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: Navy paid me.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I always said everything has been the Navy instead of
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: the Air Force because, you know, back in the 60s
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and 70s, you know, there's Project Blue Burke and the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Air Force and all that, but everything associated with this
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: was the Navy. So, and in these days, you hear
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: some of these new types of crafts that are Transmedium. Yeah,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: you hear the word transmedium, and David Fravor, Commander David Fravor,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: you know, with the Tic Tac, and, you know, things
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: are under the water. And, you know, supposedly the craft
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: that the sport model was an archaeological recovery, and that
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: itself was underwater. So what is the deal with the water?
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's... It's by far the biggest medium of
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the planet. I mean, if you want to hide people
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: down there, almost an entire civilization down there, you could
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: do it in the ocean as long as you do
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: it deep enough and away from people.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, number one is what's the deal with the ocean?
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: That's probably the number one question.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Because there's a ton of sightings where people see things
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: come out of the water. And go into the water.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there has to be a reason for that.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Well, just in terms of if they have the ability
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: to travel through space, whatever that thing is really does
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: create some sort of a gravity bubble or some sort
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: of a space-time bubble.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but maybe it's not space. Maybe it's not space.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's time. Maybe it's another dimension. There's really no limits.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: If you can start manipulating... physics in that way um
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: you can bend time you can open doorways into other
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: dimensions so maybe it has nothing to do with going
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: i look we all want it to be like star
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: trek right you know because star trek is really understandable
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: right you go out there you fly to another planet
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: you You meet the people there. You go to another one. Well,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: these guys are happy. Those guys aren't. It all makes
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: perfect sense. I don't really think it's like that. Look,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: if you look in history, especially in United States history,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: any time a superior race or intelligence meets with an
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: inferior one, it's never good for the inferior guys.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Never.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Never.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: We never come over and go, oh, we just want
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: to teach you guys everything that we know.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: It's like, we're going to rape all your women, take
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: all your stuff, and then just kill you.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Use your resources.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: And just consume everything you want.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: That's just always the way it goes. Now, maybe that's
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: just what humans do, but I would be concerned that's
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: what all life does.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Well, we are territorial primates, and that makes sense that
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: that's what we do. the thing that always fascinates me
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: about particularly the grays, they seem to be genderless and
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: they seem to have no muscle at all. They, and
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: they seem to have enormous heads and the stories, at
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: least the anecdotal accounts of people having communication with these
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: creatures is that they communicate in some way telepathically.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: If you transcend all of our weird biological needs and,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Like all the things that are attached to being a
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: human being, ego, lust, greed, desire to conquer, desire to
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: control resources, all those things are territorial primate instincts. And
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: one of the conversations I had yesterday with my friend Theo,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: we were talking about like what's happening to people's bodies
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: is that people are slowly, we're consuming microplastics and phthalates
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: and all these things that are reducing our reproductive system,
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: our testosterone is dropping. Right, right. All this stuff like
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: leads you to say, well, where does this go ultimately?
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Like how many more people are autistic now than were before?
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: It's one out of 12 boys in California now. It
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: used to be one out of 10,000 just a few
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: decades ago. Like we're moving into this very weird direction
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: without us recognizing it.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: Wait, let me stop you there. It's one out of
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: how many?
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: One out of 12 boys in California are diagnosed autistic now.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: But do you think that might be the way they're diagnosed?
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: No.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's exposure. I think it's exposure to chemicals, vaccines,
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: environmental toxins.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: You think that too?
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: I think that.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: It's not just me. There's tons of studies. In a
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: lot of buried studies, too.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, if that's accurate, that's frightening. Yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Well, it can't be just diagnosed because, I mean, I
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: know so many people that have nonverbal autistic kids where
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody that had nonverbal autistic kids when
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: I was younger.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean, back in the 60s and 70s,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: there were no kids with ADHD. Kids that were like
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: that were just assholes.
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: I think that's still the case. I don't think ADHD
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: is a real diagnosis. I think it's a real excuse
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: to give people medication. I think ADHD is essentially a superpower.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: What ADHD is allows you to concentrate on things that
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: you really enjoy, but you cannot concentrate on things you
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: don't enjoy. I think I have it. And I think
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I'm very fortunate that I'm not diagnosed and medicated or
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: wasn't or was born in the right time when they
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: weren't doing that as much.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: No, actually, I'll stop you there and say I agree
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: that that's a superpower too.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Because it's very unusual. If I find a thing that
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: I like, I can lock in and concentrate on it
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: for 12, 14 hours with no sleep, no food. All
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: I need is like water or coffee and I'm locked in.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: I locked in for four and a half years.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't think, I think with ADHD is
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: you're taking kids, you're putting them in a completely unnatural environment.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: You're making them sit down. They don't want to sit down.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: They're very active and energetic. You're making them study things
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: by very unenthusiastic teachers. They don't want to pay attention.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: They're fucking off in class because they're completely bored. And
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: then you're saying that kid's got a problem. We have
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: to diagnose them. And then what do you give them?
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: You give them Adderall. And all of a sudden the
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: kid's locked in because they're on fucking speed.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: And I just think– Yeah, but if you focus in
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: and let them do what they're interested in.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Give that kid a video game. Watch them play it
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: for fucking 10 hours with no food because that's what
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: happens because that's something they're actually engaged with. It's not
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: that they can't be focused on anything. They just don't
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: focus on things they enjoy, and we want to turn
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: people into nice little factory workers. And the only way
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: to do that is you got to get a kid
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: to comply. You got to get a kid to pay attention,
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: follow the rules.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: We're on the same channel. It's a really great point.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that ADHD is a real thing. I
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: just think there's some people that are wired differently and
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: they should pursue different things in life. Right. The difference
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: between that and autism is very different. And autism is,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: especially when it happens like almost directly after multiple vaccinations.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of them they point to, particularly the
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: MMR vaccine. But there's quite a few. When you look
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: at the schedule of vaccines- and how it ramped up,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: and it completely correlates with the ramping up of the
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: diagnoses of autism. But without casting aspersions or getting into
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: some anti-vaccine conversation.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Wait, you just did.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. But what I'm saying is, but ultimately
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: the human race is moving into a very weird place.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: So I had a conversation with Shanna Swan, Dr. Shanna Swan,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: who is she studies environmental endocrine disruptors. So various toxins, phthalates,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: microplastics and plasticizers that are completely disruptive to people's endocrine system,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: reproductive system. And from the introduction of these petrochemical products
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: in the 1950s and 60s, you see a direct correlation
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: between the dip in testosterone rates amongst men, the increase
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: of miscarriages and infertility. And then on top of that,
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: the actual shrinking of their taint. So one of the
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: ways they find out the difference between mammals, some mammals
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: in particular, when you see a baby mammal. The difference
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: between a male and a female is easily recognized by
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: the size of the gap between their anal hole and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: where their genitals are.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: But that could just be correlation. You know, it's like— No, no, no. No, no, no.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: No, I'll explain why it's not. Because when they've done
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: studies where they've used phthalates, particularly phthalates, and they've introduced
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: them specifically, purposely into certain mammals and rodents, their taint shrinks.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: And their taint shrinks and their penis size shrinks. And
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: there's studies on alligators where alligators, when they live in
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: polluted rivers, they have smaller penises. And she talked about
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: all this. And all this, these are endocrine disruptors that
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: are in the environment that are doing something that reduces fertility.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: And it changes the way the human biology functions. And
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: it makes men more feminine and it makes women less fertile. Well, ultimately,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: when you look at the grays, what do they look like?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: They look like they have no genitals. They look like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: they have no sex. That might be where biology has
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: to go to transcend away from our territorial primate biology.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Our territorial primate biology that is insistent on war and violence. Right.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: And we think this is the place to stay.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: And it may not be.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: It may not be. It may be completely non-beneficial to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: all life.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: That we have to transcend that. And what we are
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: transcending it, whether we like it or not. And what
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I was saying is that I don't know if it's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: a bug. I think it might be a feature of
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: evolution that our insistence on using plastics and technology and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: all of these different environmental toxins that we use to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: produce things. and all the goods and services that we
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: need also are disrupting our endocrine system and changing us
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: from being these hulking, hair-covered cavemen to being these very small, slight,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: autistic men that can fucking code 24 hours a day
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: without sleep.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: It seems like if you extrapolate and you naturally take
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: that further, well, what do you get? You get really
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: skinny things with no muscles and giant heads.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: My take also, and I do agree with that, is
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: what I find sometimes really concerning is how fast that's moving.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: So it's not just a question of like, is this actually,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: this is probably a thing, but it's moving so incredibly fast.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: If I look at my father's generation or my grandfather's
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: generation and my generation, I mean, it's similar, but Now
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: it's moving so fast. I do agree with what you're saying.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: And I'm thinking if it's moving so fast, there could
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: be a not a natural component to it, but there's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: an intentional component.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Right. If you wanted to do something to a race
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: to change it, like think about what we did with wolves.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: All dogs are wolves. I have two dogs that are
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: the furthest fucking thing from wolves you could possibly imagine.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Is that Marshmallow?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: Marshall. He might be a marshmallow. I have Marshall, who's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: a golden retriever. He's the sweetest dog of all time.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: And I have another dog named Charlie, who's a King
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Charles Cavalier Spaniel, who is even further from a wolf
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: than Marshall. He's just a cute little fuzzy little sweetheart.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: They have no killer instincts whatsoever. That used to be
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: a wolf. But what happened? We softened them to the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: point where there was something compatible with our modern life,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: with households and families and babies. We made them safe.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: And that's happening to people. It's happening to people whether
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: we like it or not. We could attribute it to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: all these different factors. Oh, it's a problem. We have
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: to remove these things from the environment. This is what's
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: going on. Maybe.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: Or maybe we just look at the overall picture. There
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: seems to be an insatiable desire for innovation and technology
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: that human beings have. If you looked at us from afar,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: if you weren't part of the human race and you're
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: just studying us, you're like, what does this species do? Well,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: it makes better things. It makes better things all the time. Constantly. Look,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: I have an iPhone 16 here. It's not as good
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: as the iPhone 17. iPhone 17 is better. Why don't
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: you get an iPhone 17? It just keeps going. It
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: never stops. It never ends. The TVs get bigger. They
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: get stronger. Your cars get faster. Your computer does more cores, processing,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: video editing so much quicker. Everything moves faster and better.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: We keep making better things. We never stop and say,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: you know what? Society right now, we have a lot
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: of problems. The problems that we don't have are technology.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Our technology seems completely suitable to this world that we're
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: living in right now. Let's just stop making new things
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: and concentrate on cleaning the rivers and concentrate on stopping
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: crime and concentrate on educating people, concentrate on counseling for
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: troubled young people.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: No, we just plow forward ahead with the one thing
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: that we absolutely guarantee do. We make better things. We
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: make better weapons, better cars, faster planes. Everything we do,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: we make things better.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I have to add, we do that and we
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: also do it in a way where it's economically beneficial
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: to the ones that are making it because we make
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: things break now. Think about it. We make better things,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: but we make them so that you have to buy
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: the better thing after. Right.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Engineered obsolescence. Yeah.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: That's also important. Yeah, it is.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Because then also human beings have this very bizarre desire
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: for materialism. Like why would a thing with a finite
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: lifespan want to accumulate objects? Like, I know people that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: are in their 80s that collect things. Like, what are
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: you fucking doing with that stuff?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: You're going to die. You have maybe like 10 summers
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: left on Earth. And here you are collecting stamps or cars.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: 10 summers, yeah.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: No, no.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: I've gotten to that.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: It's weird.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, at some point you.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: You have to bypass the accumulating stuff part of life.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: But materialism ensures a constant fueling of innovation because this
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: is one of the things that gets people excited about
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: collecting new stuff is that you're going to make a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: better version. I don't care how good your Mercedes is.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: It's not a 2026 Mercedes.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: It's even better.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: It has new features. It's a new thing. And so
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: it's like all built into the human psychology and also
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: to this thing that I said. Like I said, if
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: you were somewhere from somewhere else and studying this species,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: what does it do? It makes better things. What do
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: sharks do? They eat things. They just swim around. They
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: can't even stop swimming. They eat things. What do people do?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: They really just make better things. They go to war.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Why do they go to the war really? They go
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: to war so they can control resources so they have
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: more money so they can make more things and better things.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: And also the amount of innovation that is in warfare,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: in war weapons, in war fighting.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually critical.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: To keep the system going.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Well, ultimately all that does and all of it releases
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: more endocrine disruptors, more contact with all these different chemicals
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: and toxins, feminizes men, ruins women's reproductive systems to the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: point where ultimately we say, oh, for the survival of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: the race, we're going to have to figure out how
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: to reproduce non-biologically.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: When I first got involved in, yeah. It's something to ponder, right?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: It's something to ponder because we're so wrapped up in
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: who we are. We're so wrapped up in, look, I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: love being a person. I love living in Texas. I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: love driving an American car. I love all those things.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: But what does it mean? Like, what is that? You know,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: these are just weird identity points that you connect with
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: whatever this species is. But if you just could just
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: have an above view. You'd look down and go, what
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: are we doing?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good question.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like how far are we going and how fast
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: are we going there?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: We're going pretty fucking fast. And now with AI, I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: think we're going way faster than we even understand. Because
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: with Claude, I mean, they think that the Claude AI,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: the engineers, they think it's sentient already. It just doesn't
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: have a physical body to.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Move around in. Look, AI is going to kill us.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Everybody agrees with that. There's no question.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to kill us. You know
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: what I think it's going to do? I think it's
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: going to prevent us from breeding. I think it's going
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: to let us die off.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Well, that's going to kill us, Joe.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: But I think we're going to willingly go with it
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: because we're going to get, like, mates, like ex machina.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: We're going to just, something that takes care of you.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: As soon as they come out with a female robot
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: that's sexually attractive or whatever. It's over.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Game over.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: The game over.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: Game over.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: There's just going.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: To be no more babies and we're just going to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: die out.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Or integrate. And I think it's much more likely
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: that we integrate. And that's where you get the grays.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: I think what the grays are is a combination of
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: technology and biology.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: And if you just go from chimp to caveman to gray,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: you go, oh, I see where that's going. Chimp, caveman, human,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: modern human, gelatinous, soft, slow-moving, weak, modern human, grays.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Like, I have always leaned into what Barry told me,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: because it's the only information I had, that The craft
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: came from Zeta Reticuli, which is a star system 30
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: some odd light years away. And, you know, again, it
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: was just like a Star Trek thing. They came over
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: here for whatever reason. But that information may not be true.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: Right. That information might be one of those things they
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: put in that's nonsense.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Again, if it has to do with time, I think
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: from what George has told me, Jacques Vallée and some
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: You know, other really credible researchers have said that these
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: are people either from another dimension or another time. Or
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: maybe they're us from the future. You know, just coming
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: back to interact with us in some way.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Make sure we don't fuck everything up irreparably.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it doesn't seem like they're doing a good job.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe fucking things up somewhat is also part of
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: the plan. Maybe that actually has to take place.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, holy cow.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Look at the way things are going right now. Holy cow.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: Things are totally off the rails.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: But maybe that's part of the plan. Maybe part of
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: it is like it has to get so far sideways
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: that we realize how fucked up everything is that we
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: start making meaningful changes and implement AI as government.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: That's a dangerous thing.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Exactly. But is it as dangerous as Iran getting nukes?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Is it as dangerous as.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: A global Islamic caliphate?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: No, it's not Iran.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Iran's not getting nukes. I mean, they... Never mind. I
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: don't want to get into political stuff.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: No, you could. You could. Look, if you gave Iran
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: the technology to get nukes.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: They would take it. Any physicist has the technology to
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: get nukes.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, the difficulty is actually making the material. So,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I was Iran, I would enrich to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: 80 or 90 percent because that's where you can make
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: a weapon and stop there.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: It's not like they would be the only people with
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: a weapon. Pakistan, India, North Korea.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't make you have a weapon. It just
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: gives you a shortcut to it. And making a weapon
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: from there and being able to deliver a weapon, you know,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: to 4,000 miles away, good luck with that. That's a
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: big deal.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Right, but they're in communication with China. Who has that?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: They're in communication with Russia. Then they don't need to
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: enrich uranium or do anything.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Can you give me a missile?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Right, but wouldn't they rather make their own?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: But that's not even the point.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Rather make their own. Why would you do that?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Would you rather make your own car or just somebody
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: give it to you?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Why would you do that?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: You've got a buddy that'll just give you one.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: Because you'd want to be self-sufficient.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: You'd want to have your own production where you don't
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: have to rely on someone.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: No, you can always do that. You can always do that.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're ever... They were ever going to...
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: They're going to absolutely make a weapon now.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Because we're... kicking their ass.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: As everyone has learned, I guess you have to have
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: nuclear weapons now to, you know.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: But.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: This is a really bad situation.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's a horrible situation.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: But my point is, why is this situation taking place?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: The situation taking place is because human beings suck. Right?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: We suck in how we interact with each other. Yeah,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: I know. We suck because we're territorial primates with weapons.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: Of mass destruction. Yeah, can't we just all get along?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Well, what is the way to stop that from ever happening? Well, one,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: you will let a catastrophe unfold, and then you offer
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: a solution to make sure these catastrophes never unfold again. Well,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: what's the best solution? Well, we have something far smarter
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: than people that will take over control of resources in government.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: AI.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: AI.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is Colossus.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: You ever see the movie Colossus?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Got to watch it.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Well, that's demerit against you. The movie Colossus was a
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: 1960s or 70s movie, and it's about, you know, the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: scientist makes deep inside this mountain a computer to take
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: over the defense of the United States. And, you know,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: they build this gigantic computer inside Cheyenne Mountain or something
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: similar to it. And, you know, they flip the switch
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: and they went, okay, we're protected. We're in good shape.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: And shortly after time goes on, you know, they realize, wow,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: the computer is really performing better than we expected. And
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: as it turns out, Russia had done the same thing,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: and the computers want to communicate together. And, you know,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: they start communicating, and then the United States goes, well,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: they might be giving our secrets away, so we better,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: you know, cut the communication line.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: And the computers freak out, and they go.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess we'll just launch nuclear bombs, you know,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: at everybody. And it launches weapons and, you know, essentially
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: holds everybody hostage, but.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: It's kind of like a trap. It's kind of like
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: a trap.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: If we go that way, it could trap us.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: It's exactly a trap.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, in simulated war games, AIs use nuclear weapons.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: 98% of the time.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, because.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: Isn't that crazy?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Because, I mean, look, the goal is to win.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: And we're going to present.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: You with the scenario. And they go, okay, nuke him.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: And why wouldn't you pick that?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Are you going to start with slapping them in the face?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: Why is it better to just bomb them over and
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: over and over again until you achieve the same amount
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: of deaths?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: That's the slap in the face.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: Nuke them.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: It's over with. We can move on from there.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Well, you think about what happened in Gaza. Like, you
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: look at the leveling of all those buildings, the mass destruction.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: It's terrible.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: It looks like a nuke.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: It looks like one nuke instead of thousands of missiles
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: and bombs. Is one nuke.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: But it's not.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Right. In terms of the amount of damage you can
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: do instantaneously.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, because we can detect a nuke.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Was there ever any conversation that you were privy to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: where they discussed? Because one of the things that does
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: come up over and over again in UFO discussions is
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: these crafts that show up at these military bases and
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: shut down all the weapon systems.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: No, I actually know nothing about that. Most of the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: UFO stuff or UFO lore that I've heard... I don't
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: know anything about it. I've just looked at it.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: That's so fascinating because you're the most prominent figure in
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: all of UFO lore.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: That's what I was telling him yesterday.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I really only like to talk about what
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I know about.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Right, of course.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: And I've heard other stories, but I've never heard them officially.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're really real.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: What's one of the things that makes you most credible?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Because you're not a UFO guy.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I guess, but I mean.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: No, yes, it does with me. Because when people are
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: like way too into it, they want to believe too much.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, I don't know.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: Do you know who these people are?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Betty and Barney Hill. Okay, so you know
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, they were the first abductees. I mean,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: to me, they're... I don't know who first introduced those
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: to me, and I looked them up, and.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: You know, people say, do you believe them?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm kind of inclined to believe them because, look,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: in the 1960s, right, where they're from, the last thing
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: you want to do is be recognized as a mixed
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: race couple, right? I mean... Right, and go public with
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: their story. Yeah, I mean, holy cow, they would hate you.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: A black person and a white person that were, you know...
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: In any kind of relationship, but yeah, they did that.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: They have this crazy story.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: And you hear their hypnotical question.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: And actually, on top of that, I have a connection
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: to that.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Because Barry said they're from the Zeta Reticuli star system,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: and I believe it's Betty Hill drew a map of
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: the Zeta Reticuli star system and said this is part
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: of their roots.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 7: Whoa.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: Did you know that?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: You didn't know that?
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: No, I don't remember that.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, if you look that up.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: I remember it from what you said from your story.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, but if you look up in Betty and Barney Hill,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: she said, I think... I don't know if I can
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: ever get this stuff right. They show her a map
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: and they say, well, this is a map... She wanted
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: to know why they were here, what's going on. They
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: showed her a map, am I right?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they showed her a map.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: And they said, do you understand this? And she said, no.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: And they said, well, why should we tell you anymore? Well,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's something like that. But they
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: showed her this star map, you know, and she.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: Obviously.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Look at that.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Under hypnosis, Betty Hill describes a map she was
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: shown by the leader aboard the ship. Later, she sketched it.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: She said she was told that the heavy lines marked
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: regular trade routes.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: And the broken lines recorded various space expeditions. The following year,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: the map seen at right was published in the New
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: York Times. Mrs. Hill, struck by the similarity between the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: Times map and her sketch, then added the corresponding names.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. And it ended up being the Zeta Reticuli
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: binary star system, which was really interesting. And I remember
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: when I first heard about Bob's story back in 1989,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: and he said Zeta Reticuli, I remember thinking, wow, that's
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: what Betty Hill saw. So that made me also question,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: is that real in that document? Did these guys really
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: come from there? You know, because it was mentioned in 1968.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: So why would the government, the U.S. Navy, write that
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: in there that would correlate to something that we already
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: kind of knew? I think that was a purposeful disinformation
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: to disinform someone. I think so.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: Well, why? Maybe it's true. Yeah, go ahead. We'll pause
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: right here and use the restroom. We'll be right back.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: I really.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No worries. No worries. We'll be right back. We're
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: talking about this whole Zeta Reticula thing. So. When you're
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: dealing with so many different crafts and so many different things,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: the idea that only one species or one thing more
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: advanced than us is visiting us seems kind of silly.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: If the universe is populated by all these things.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: Does it? Kind of.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, the universe is really big. Do you think
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: everybody can find this place?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: I would imagine it's like spots that you visit, like,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: you know, there's Machu Picchu, there's ancient Egypt, there's, you know,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: sub-Saharan Africa. There's a bunch of different places where people go,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: you know, just humans on Earth. And I would imagine
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: if you have an understanding of how life is evolving
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: in the cosmos, there's probably stages where things reach certain levels.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: And if you are a.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: But they're far apart.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: They're far apart.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, one could be in this quadrant of the
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Milky Way galaxy, and they reach that point where they
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: can travel and explore. And there's a far distant point
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: where another civilization can do that.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: And, I mean, really?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think there are that many... I don't think
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: there are that many civilizations visiting us. There's certainly... There's
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: no doubt that there's one from somewhere, another planet, another time,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: another dimension, whatever it may be. Someone else is here.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: We're not the top, you know, of the pyramid.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: We're absolutely not there. There's no question.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I think if you got technology that, say, let's
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: just say the greys. Let's say the greys are real.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: Let's say they fly around these little crafts. Why would
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: we assume that it stops there? Why wouldn't we assume
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: that technology gets to the point where not only are
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: they far more advanced than them, but they also are
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: completely undetectable?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Well, if you want to view the universe as infinite,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: then it never stops.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: It scales out.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: There's somebody about them. And there's somebody above them. And
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: there's somebody above them. And it never stops.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: I was watching this lecture where this woman was talking
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: about quantum entanglement. And she was talking about how maybe
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: our understanding of space and the distance between things is
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: limited by what our current technology is and our current
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: understanding of what space and time actually are. Absolutely. What
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: she was saying is there might not be, we might
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: at one point in time, given enough time, thousands of
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: years or whatever, be able to instantaneously travel anywhere. And
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: that just how like quantum, like subatomic particles are connected
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: in some sort of a strange way that we don't
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: totally understand, even at far distance, spooky action at a distance, right?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: As Einstein said, yeah.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: That we might eventually get to a point where that's
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: how travel works. That's instantaneous travel. Everywhere.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: I think we just have hints of these technologies. Look, everything,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: you know, we look at Maxwell's equations and things like that,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: that we base all electromagnetic, electrostatic, you know, actions on
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: and how they relate to time and how they relate
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: to things in our universe. But that may be nothing.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: There may be an entire level of physics that we're
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: unfamiliar with that these crafts, these people, or these civilizations
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: just utilize. Of course.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you just stop and think about going
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: from Morse code to a cell phone in a relatively
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: short period of time historically. If you go to the
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: difference between 1200 and 1400 is not that big of
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: a fucking deal in terms of technology, what's available. The
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: difference between 1800 and 2026 is fucking massive.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: It is a massive, crazy change, right? So 2026 to 2226,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: who fucking knows what we're talking about?
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: Especially when you have sentient AI... You have nuclear power
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: plants that are controlling sentient AI that are fueling them
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: and giving them resources. I mean, you really have no
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: limit to where this goes. You scale out 1,000 years.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: You scale out 2,000 years.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: You really can't scale out 1,000 years.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Right. It's not possible.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: Because even at 100 years, it's way.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Way more than we would have ever considered. Also, it's exponential. Right.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: That's why you can't scale out to 1,000 years.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: And if you think it's exponential now, imagine when you
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: have AI able to generate better versions of itself, which
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: is what's happening with ChatGPT-5. It's essentially made by ChatGPT-4.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: AI is absolutely the death of us. There's no question.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: Well, we're certainly going to become obsolete in terms of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: our thinking.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: If we're obsolete in terms of our thinking, we're obsolete.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, all AI needs is hands, right?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: I think we integrate. That's what I think happens. Yeah.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: It's a scary thing. Yeah, I was going to say,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: and that's a scary thought. That's a scary thought because
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: it's like we're going to integrate. I think it's inevitable.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: I think you're right about that. We're just going there.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: It's not like even if you and I are not
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: going to actually do it, somebody will, and it's going
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: to integrate because other people will, and it's going to happen.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: But it's still the same primate. We're still the same human.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: Sort of, but we already have problems with joints, and
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: so we replace them with fake ones. You know, titanium
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: knees and, you know.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they don't work as good.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: They don't for now.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: But before, they used to not work at all. Like,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: you know, I've met people that had surgeries in the 1980s,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: like knee surgeries, and oh, my God, they're crippled for life.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: Even though they put your knee back together again, it's
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: still destroyed. You know, you get a knee surgery today,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: six months later, you're 100%.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: No, I'd love to know the future.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's kind of good. I'd love to know
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: the future. So one of the things I want to
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: talk about is the actual generator, this thing that works
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: on this element that bombards it with radiation. How did
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: you guys figure out what the function of it was
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: and what it did? So when you're first introduced to
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: this craft and you see– This dome.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: The reactor.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: The reactor that's covering this thing that's generating this power.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: What was the introduction to it? How did they explain
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: it to you?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: The introduction was way before me.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: And that's where the guy prior to me either got
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: hurt or killed.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: So they determined that this was the power source.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: And.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: At some point, they decided to take that out to
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: the nuclear test site because they wanted to cut into it.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: They X-rayed it.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: They only found a small tube that went around it.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: They really couldn't determine how it worked or what was
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: going on. So at some point, and Barry made this
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: somewhat clear that they could, cut into the reactor while
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: it was running, or while it was under load, I
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: should say, and the reactor exploded. That's what killed or
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: hurt the person that I replaced. But, um, it produced
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: the base gravitational wave or base energy that propelled the craft,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: that provided the craft the propulsion. I mean, when they
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: removed it, the craft didn't work. When they put it in,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Every single other craft they found had something either exactly
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: like it or similar to it. So they determined that
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: was the power source. That's at the point that I
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: was introduced into the project.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: So when you say gravitational wave, is that for lack
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: of a better term or is it something that's measured?
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: No, it's for lack of a better term. There's nothing,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, as I said in Luigi's movie, you can
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: take magnets with light poles and push them together.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: And they repel.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: But you can't take your hands ever and push on
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: something and they repel them. That's a force field, right?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: That's science fiction stuff. But that's what this did. And
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: this produced a field that repelled the craft from the ground.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: Did you try to touch it? Yeah, yeah. And when
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: you tried to touch it, what did you feel?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: An elastic field.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: You can push down, but you can't get close to it.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: The closer you get to it, the more it pushes back.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Like how much distance between you and the actual thing?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would say about.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Six inches or so?
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe about nine inches, which is about a span. No,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: at some point you can't push back on it at all.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: But the important thing is if you have a magnet,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: a little disc magnet sitting on the ground... and you
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: have another magnet, and you push on it, that magnet
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: moves away, right?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Because it's pushing on it. But the craft didn't. The
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: reactor didn't. If you had the reactor there and you
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: pushed back on it, it didn't push away when you
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: pushed on it.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: It just prevented you from touching it.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so when Dennis said, go out there and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: look under the craft, here's the craft. whatever it weighs,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: suspending itself above the ground, and I went underneath it,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: you would think it's translating its weight onto the ground
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: and pushing, and I should be squashed without any doubt,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: but I'm not. There's no feeling there at all. So
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: it's not translating its weight or its push to the
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: ground and pushing off the ground. It's just canceling out
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: its weight, which is something completely different.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: And so when– so element 115, so you have it
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: in this triangle-shaped form. Did you ask how they got
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: into a triangle-shaped form? Was it made like this? This
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: is how it came in the reality.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: I'm sure I did.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, it only worked like that. It worked
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: like a stack of disks. And it had to be
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: cut at a certain angle to work in the reactor.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: And did they say they cut it, or did they
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: say it was already cut?
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Well, it was already cut, and they were duplicating it.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: Pull that microphone up, too. So they were duplicating it.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: Did they have more of it, this element?
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they had quite a bit of it.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: So either there was a quantity in other crafts or
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: other reactors that they removed.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But was there any discussion that there had been
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: some sort of an exchange where they had been giving this?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: So one of the things, like, do you know Diana Pasolkes?
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: She's an author that's written some interesting stuff about UFOs,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: and she's worked with Gary Nolan on material recollection from
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: supposed crash sites. And she said that the way these
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: researchers refer to these crafts, they refer to them as donations.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: I guess that's possible.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, doesn't it make sense? If this thing crashed,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: why is it perfect? Why is it not destroyed?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Look, I've heard so many... I'm not into UFOs.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Which is hilarious. It's crazy. I'm just interested in the technology,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: and I feel very privileged to have been involved in
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: the project.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: But I don't know.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think... I don't think there can be that
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: many crashes. Do you?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: This advanced technology, you think they're coming to Earth and
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: just there's a thunderstorm and they're crashing into the ground?
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not buying that.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: There's one logical explanation that does actually make sense. There
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: were some high-altitude nuclear tests that they did.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Well, there was the fatigue test, you know, back in
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the 60s.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: Starfish Prime.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: And Starfish Prime, right.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: If you had no idea that this was about to
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: happen and you were hovering over Earth observing us.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: What are the chances? I mean, what are the chances?
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: They're not very high.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, what are the chances a crash is
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: coming over and a nuclear test at that exact second?
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: Unless there's a lot more observation than we know. And
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: that they just observe us in a way that we
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: can't see them. Especially if you're going back to the
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: 1950s and 1960s. We have very few satellites. It was very.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: That was the nuclear cowboy era.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: Where there were just.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Well, just.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: Starfish Prime. Explain to people what they did.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They had a 1.4 megaton, you know, detonation up
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: there and just... I think all they did... Let's see
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: what happens if we blow it up at this altitude.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy. You know, there was another test
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: planned to blow up on the moon just to make
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: the Russians look.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: You know, like we were awesome.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: Detonate the moon. What if they pushed it away and
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: fucked up our orbit?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that would take a lot more.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't remember what.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: The project was.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: Project A-19. Oh, A-19.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: That was it.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: Study of lunar research flights.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: Detonated nuclear bomb.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: I can't pull up these numbers, but yeah, Project A-1-1-1-A.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to do that. Because everybody on Earth
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: could just go outside and look up the moon, get
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: blown up.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: And the explosion would be faintly visible to the human eye,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: to people on Earth.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: I still think they should have done that.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're the guy that put a jet engine
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: in the back of a Honda. Like, let's see.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: I honestly think they should detonate a nuclear bomb on
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: the 4th of July every year. But that's just me.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: Well, also, you live in Nevada. That's what we're used to.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: I had a long history.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Of them doing that.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: So going back to this reactor. So. How was it
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: explained to you? Did they explain to you how the
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: technology works or what they know about it?
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Now, the way it was explained to me is when
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: I got to be alone with Barry, he said he
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: was excited to show this to me. He said, this
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: is the reactor that we assume powers the craft. Sorry.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: No worries. I'm going to show you the reactor that
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: powers the craft.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: And he turned it on.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Small little dome on a flat little plate.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: Was this in the craft or was this on a table?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: This is in the experimental area.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: Okay. So this was not the one that was in
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: the sport craft. This was another one.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: This was another one.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: This is it right here.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: That's in the film.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on the table. And he had it there. And
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: he went over to the emitter and rotated it. And
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: he said, try and touch it. And I put my
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: hand on it. And it rebounded off. And the closer
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: you got to it, the more it pushed back. And
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: that's a real shock because there's nothing that pushes back
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: like that. That's a living force field. That's science fiction stuff.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: So that really got my attention.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: So explain what is happening in terms of the rotation
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: of this thing. What is happening? What energy is going
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: into it that's causing it to go on?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: Well, actually, we don't know that. I mean, that's the
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: whole thing.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: It's pushing back. It's a repulsive gravitational field. As far
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: as we know, gravity only has an attractive force to it.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: We've never, even with antimatter, we've analyzed it and it
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: still has an attractive force to it. There's no repulsive
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: force that we've discovered because that would be a great propulsion.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: system but this repulsed so that this was a new
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: field completely but.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: How was he turning it on.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: He had the emitter which is a big pipe.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: Part of what is an emitter like what is.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: The craft itself has on the main level has the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: reactor and what we call the amplifiers The reactor and
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: three amplifiers. Right underneath that, there are three emitters that
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: are right under the amplifiers. And we believe the energy
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: from the reactor is amplified by the emitters and.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: By the amplifiers.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: By the amplifiers, sorry.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 7: And.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: Transmitted to the emitters.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: And they produce this field that lifts the craft off
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: the ground. And that's how it works. But there is nothing,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: nothing even in our physics or our science that correlates
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: to that at all.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: And what is the energy that's going to them that
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: causes it to turn on?
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: We don't know. I mean, we just assume it's gravity
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: because it's the only thing we know like that. But
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: it has a negative gravity effect.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: So....
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: It might be a new force entirely.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: But when you're saying, so you have this machine that's
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: next to it that you do something to that causes
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: it to turn on.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: The emitter.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: There's the amplifier.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: And there's the emitter, which looks like a big pipe.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: And if you rotate the emitter, I don't remember how
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: many degrees.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: Was it 20 degrees?
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: 20 degrees.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: 20 degrees or something like that. That connects it in
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: some way.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: To....
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: The reactor, and it begins to be powered.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: And what is the emitter doing?
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: It emits that field.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: It's not a gravitational, it could be a gravitational field,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: but it's an anti-gravitational field that pushes.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: On the ground.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: And what's happening in the emitter? Did you study the emitter?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Well, we attempted to, but no. There was nothing that
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: we really came up with.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: What does it look like? Like, what's the internal structure
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: of it?
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: It's just, it's a hollow pipe. with, I guess, little
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: copper-colored plates all inside. It's kind of in the film.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: But there's, I mean, these guys have been working on
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: it for years before I got there, and there was
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: really no.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: Concept of what they were doing.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: Did they explain to you why Element 115 is crucial
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: to this working?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: What its role is?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: So Element 115 was not even really discussed back when
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: you were doing this. It wasn't even discovered or proven
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: physically until it was a large hadron collider experiment in
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: the 2000s, right?
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: No, I know they synthesized that. But look, in any element,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: there's always.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: There's always a large amount of.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't decay. That was the thing about.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: In the Large Hadron Collider Experiment, they were able to
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: achieve it, but it only existed for a few milliseconds.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, I've had too much.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: No worries.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: So....
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: How did they define this material?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, there's different isotopes of every element. And
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: element 115, just like any other element, there can be
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: a stable version of it and 100 or 50 different
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: unstable elements to them.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: No, no, just try to continue the train of thought.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: It's basically different isotopes of it.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, different isotopes. I need to stop drinking this.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: It's okay.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: Have a cup of coffee.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: I can't even remember.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, iced coffee is good.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, we got coffee. Oh, my God. All right. Holy cow.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: That'll help.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's different isotopes.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: And you were able to physically touch this element?
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. I was.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: Physically able to touch the element, yeah.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: But when you're physically able to touch it, there's no
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: adverse effects? It doesn't have any effect on the box?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: Does it feel like metal?
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: Does it feel like plastic? No, it looks copper-like. I mean,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: maybe it's not as dark as copper is, but it's
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: that color. And I haven't seen an element like that.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: It has unique properties that other elements don't have. It
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: produces an anti-gravitational field.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: When combined with energy, with some kind of energy, it
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: produces this field. And was it understood what is happening? Like,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: what is the relationship between this element and this... Like,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: how is... What is going on? Like, you're bombarding this
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: element with something? Yeah, I.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: From what we understood.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: We x-rayed the reactor itself, and there was a path
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: around it that looked.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: It made it look like a cyclotron.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: So it looked like there was an accelerator.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: So when they were explaining it to you, is this
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: just your work partner that's explaining this stuff to you?
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's just Barry that's explaining it.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: And did you ask him, how do you know this?
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: Where are you getting this from? Is this.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he got this information prior to me. And they
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: X-rayed it, found a structure in there to where they
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: believed it was an accelerator, and it was interacting the
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: point of the... The 115 is in a little triangular piece,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: and it was interacting with that in some fashion.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: So... And did he say whether or not the United
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: States government or whoever was doing this research had tried
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: to recreate one of those on their own?
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: That was our job, to try to recreate one of
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: those on their own.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: But what was the metal that it was made out of?
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: Again, the metallurgy was not.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: That was not.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: It seems insane that you couldn't communicate to them that
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: whatever this stuff is made out of, this... whole thing
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: acts as one cohesive unit. It's not like you could
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: make the same exact thing with aluminum or carbon fiber.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: No, you can't. This thing acted differently. This thing acted
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: differently than any material that we knew. And, I mean,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: I think all the answers are in the metallurgy guys.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: You know, that's who knew what was going on, who
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: was able to provide the answers. But as far as
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: we knew, if we didn't have the connection... With those
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: other groups, we weren't really going to make any progress.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: You were speculating that there was a type of metallic
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: alloy that would work better with this concept. Was it Byzantine? Bismuth? Bismuth, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Did I say that?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think so. No? It wasn't you?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: No. Someone that I talked to was explaining to me.
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  Speaker 1: It's related to on the periodic table. I mean, Bismuth
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: is above it. And 115 is below it. But we
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: never did see any correlation between bismuth. This was a
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: completely new material.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think, oh, that's what it was. Oh, this
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: is what it was. So one of the pieces that
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: Gary Nolan had found that was, Gary Nolan is the
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: guy at Stanford that has examined these pieces that are
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: from supposedly crashed sites, crash sites where something had gone
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: down and scattered. Some of these pieces, they're atomically layered.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: I've heard that.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: Magnesium and bismuth seem to be prevalent.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Bismuth is the thing.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Bismuth is the thing. It's right above 115 on the
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: periodic chart. Yeah, there's something about that. There's something about 115.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: All this weird magnetism stuff with bismuth.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: There's a video from the Action Lab, the strange magnetism
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: of bismuth.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's diamagnetic.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: So let him play it out a little bit. No.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: I was trying to find those. What is diamagnetic?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: Diamagnetic is it opposes magnetic fields.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: I see.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: So it kind of makes sense if they're finding these
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: pieces that are, the way he was explaining.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: That's what it is, yeah.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: The way he's explaining this, whatever this alloy was, this
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: very small piece that was found, I believe, prior to
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: the 1970s. I don't remember the exact date that he's had.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: from one of these crash. One of them was from
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: Brazil that they had recovered. And someone had gotten possession
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: of it in the 1990s, and someone had gotten it
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: eventually to Gary Nolan. He said that to create this
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: on Earth, first of all, it can't be done with
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: current technology. We don't have the ability to do this.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: The layering technology?
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: And that it would cost billions of dollars, just theoretically,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: to make this. And it doesn't exist.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing this, yeah.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it. Alleged extraterrestrial metal. The bottom of
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: a wedge-chased craft in the 1940s. 26 alternating layers, 1
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: to 4 microns, dark bismuth with 100 to 200 microns
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: of silver magnesium zinc alloy. Each piece received from the U.S.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: Army source were formed with a curvature that tapered. Oh,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: in the 40s.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Good luck making that in the 40s.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: It says a wedge-shaped craft in late 1940s. That's Roswell.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's Roswell.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what does it do?
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: I would like to see the test results of just
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: the material.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: We can make that now.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: We can? Yeah.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: One to four microns of bismuth?
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: 200 microns of silver? Yeah.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: The thing is, like, making something like that in the
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: 1940s is absolutely impossible.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: No, in the 40s, forget it.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: It's impossible.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, now we could fabricate something like that.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: And it would cost a shitload of money. So, like,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: the idea that you would make something like that and
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: just scatter it around.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: But what does it do?
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: What does it do?
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: Why is magnesium and bismuth? Why in that particular array?
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: There is something about bismuth. There was something about Bismuth.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: But that's why it's so fascinating. I would love to
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: know where they... Look, it's been 40 years. I would
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: love to know.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: Where they're at now.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, where they're at now. If they continued.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: Well, they had to have continued. I can't imagine you going, eh,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: we're done.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, they may have moved it. I mean,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: like I said before, they were anxious to move it
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: out of there at that time.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: Are you aware of the labyrinths in Egypt that they've discovered?
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about the columns?
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. This is unrelated. This is something different.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: So Herodotus discussed this. Now, my friend Ben Van Kirkwick,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: he has Uncharted X on YouTube. It's an amazing channel
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: where he was a tech guy who just got absolutely
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: fascinated by all these stories of ancient history and really
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: got obsessed with Egypt and Peru and Egypt. left his
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: field and started making these incredible videos, but he's highly intelligent,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: incredibly articulate. And so these videos are just absolutely fantastic.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: And really, uh, he's, he's very well versed scientifically. So
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: you can understand these things and explain them to you.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: Like they're examining like the construction of the pyramids and the,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: whatever technology was used to carve the stones and, there's
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: just so much of it that is like confusing because it's,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: it clearly is like a very high level of sophistication
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: and technology that is involved in creating these things. Well,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: Herodotus described these labyrinths that were underground in Giza, not, not,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: not in Giza, but Hawara. Is that where it was?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: Jamie will find it. But this, these, the way Herodotus
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: described it, he said they were far superior and more
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: impressive than the, the, The pyramids of Giza. Underground. Well,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: these massive labyrinths that exist underground were all flooded in
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: the 1960s accidentally when they created dams in order to
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: provide irrigation to agriculture that was in the area. So
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: they changed the water table, fucked it up. This whole
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: area got flooded.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 5: Did they know they were there when they accidentally?
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: No, they didn't because a lot of this stuff, like
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: this is from thousands and thousands of years ago. A
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: lot of it was covered over with sand. And, you know,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: there had been some explorers a long time ago that
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: went there and saw some of what was in there.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: But the way Herodotus described it, it's just absolutely fantastic.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: So then they started using ground-penetrating radar. And they started
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: using these various technologies that could detect what was under
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: the surface. And one of the things that they found
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: was there's a massive atrium. And inside this atrium.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: You mentioned this to me.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: Yes. There is a 40-meter-long metallic object... that is inside
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: this atrium, 40 meters of some unknown metal.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: How deep is it?
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: I believe it's 100 meters into the ground.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: So you're telling me ground-penetrating radar can get to 100
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: meters underground?
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: The stuff that Filippo Bondi has used from satellites gets
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: more than a kilometer into the ground.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: With decent resolution?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: Well, not decent resolution, but enough that you could see symmetry.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: Enough that they can also detect things that are well-known.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: 100 meters.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: Chambers.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: Well, listen to this. They detected accurately a particle collider
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: in Italy that is inside of a mountain 1.2 kilometers
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: below the mountain. It sees through the mountain and can
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: detect this thing in the exact dimensions that this thing exists.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: So they can show you this.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: A particle collider?
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: Yes. So this is a particle collider that they know exists, right?
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: So this is an actual particle collider.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: So they're looking for it.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: Right. So it's just proof that this technology is not
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: just— Well, wait.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, hang on. I mean, how do they know
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: it's a particle collider?
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: Well, no, the particle collider exists. The Italians have this
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: particle collider. It's known. They made it.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: It's like, it's original. Okay, they didn't detect this underground.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: Right, no, it's not like we found a particle collider
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: that didn't exist. Okay, that's what I thought you were saying.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: So this particle collider, they use this technology to show
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: that you can see straight through this mountain to this
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: particle collider that's underneath the mountain. So they know the
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: exact dimensions of this particle collider. You can see, you
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: can almost draw a schematic of it. Well, through this technology,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: they've also found these columns that are below the pyramids.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: These columns are 22 meters, 20-plus meters in diameter, and
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: they have something that resembles coils around all of them.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: And they're positioned at various points all around where the
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: structure is. It goes all the way down, hundreds of
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: meters down, and then it goes to another structure, and
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: the whole complex of these structures goes to over a
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: kilometer into the ground.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: But how can you see a kilometer underground?
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: Well, you would have to understand this technology. Was it
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: called radio tomography? He explained it to me.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: Synthetic aperture radar, right?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Well, whatever this technology— And seeing a kilometer underground at
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: decent resolution?
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: It's not decent resolution, but it's enough to understand the
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: scope of what it is. It's enough to understand where
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: spaces are.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: Like everybody knows about this but me.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: I mean— It's pretty fascinating. I'll send you the podcast,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: and I'll send you some of his conferences— where he
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: was explaining this to room fills with scientists.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: You would think they'd be anxious to dig this up.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: They are. There's actual studies that are currently being discussed. Well,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: they already know that there's these channels that go in
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: the ground that have since been covered with silt and sand, because,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: you know, the sand's constantly moving. But these things go
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: hundreds of meters down, these shafts that go down.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Look, if they find shafts hundreds of meters down with
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: coils around them, Look, that's advanced technology.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: Exactly. This is the point. This is the point. Whatever
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: this thing is that they have in an atrium, like
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: if they said that they got that craft from an
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: archaeological dig, I mean, maybe the Egyptians had found something
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: similar to this thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that's possible.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: Well- The object that you're, I didn't, I actually got
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: to speak to Filippo Biondi, by the way. He's in Italy,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: he's in Rome. We got to speak, I speak Italian,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: so we got to talk. And we talked about that.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: I had no idea they found something with a metal
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: object down there, though.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: This is not Filippo Biondi's work. Oh, pardon me. This
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: is some different scientists that are just studying the labyrinths. Jamie,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: pull up some of the schematics of the labyrinth.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 5: So in the labyrinth, there's like a big, large atrium.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: You got to pee again? Go ahead.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: Head up. Yeah.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: God, I feel like a fucking asshole.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. Get some air.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: Clear your head. I have a prostate.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: So in this labyrinth, there's a large atrium.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: And in this large atrium, there is essentially a tic-tac. Really?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: A tic-tac shaped object that is 40 meters long. That
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: is of some unknown metal. They don't know what it is.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: They don't know how it works. But this structure- is
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: all underground in Egypt.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: Which is wild because it's 100 meters?
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: We'll get a chance to look at it. This is Hawara.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: So there it says the 40-meter metallic object. See that
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: where it says Hawara rising?
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: So if you click on that, it talks about the
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: 40-meter metallic object discovered in Egyptians.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: I can't read a report on the Hawara.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: Subterranean labyrinth.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: It's just people talking about it.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: Right. Got it. But so whatever it is, play out
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: some of the video just so we could talk about it.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: So this whole thing, if you see some of the
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: images that they're discussing.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: Chicago and the team that was in Poland as well.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: And at that point is when I had met.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: The person Lucina Lobos.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: Who later became my wife six months later.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, you actually were working with the NRAG and
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 5: then the... I don't know what they're talking about.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not going to help us. But if
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: you could just go to some of the images where
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: they've sort of outlined... I was trying to find it.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: There is not a very clear image of the metallic
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: object that.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: No, that's fine. But just the labyrinth itself, what do
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: you think the structure of it was?
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know where they got this from. It's also...
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: the other issue. Sneaky 40-meter mystery metal object. That's a
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: weird rendering that doesn't usually come out.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: Right, but there's some other drawings from the Herodotus days.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: So this is what they think it looks like under
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: the ground, which is fucking completely bonkers. And if there
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: is some 40-meter metallic object that's under the ground, and
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: we are talking about this sport model being a part
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: of an archaeological dig, they might have found something back
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: then and worshipped that thing and had that thing as
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: like— They.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: Turned it into this as a pyramid.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: I think there's something to that.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: Well, all these people that believe that there was an
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: incredibly advanced civilization before some sort of apocalyptic disaster— that
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: reset civilization and it took thousands of years and what
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: we are essentially is not the first advanced civilization but
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: a rebuild a rebuild thousands and thousands and thousands of
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: years later you know that rings true with me me
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: too as Graham Hancock always says we're a species with
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: amnesia and I think that makes sense and I think
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: If you're dealing with people that were basically knocked back
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: into the Stone Age 11,000, 12,000 years ago and it
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: took us forever to rebuild to where we are now,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: I think we've gone down a completely different path than
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: whatever the people that were able to build the pyramids
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: of Egypt and all these fantastic megalithic structures were. We
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: don't understand what technology we used. And it literally doesn't
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: make sense that they were able to do this.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 5: It's even like when we see those big gigantic stones,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: and they're not just piled together. They're like interlocked in
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: weird shapes and all that.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: How did that happen?
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, those are things that, yeah, I agree with you.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, archaeologists are very reluctant to admit it, but there's
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: tremendous evidence that not only were these people far more
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: advanced than we think People should have been back then,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: but they're probably more advanced than we are now with
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: some different kind of technology.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 5: And maybe, again, it's like advanced but in a different way.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: A different pathway. They didn't go. Our way. Yeah. They
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: didn't go internal combustion engine and electronics.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: Because we would see something.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Right. But might not. If you're thinking about 100,000
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: years ago, there might not be anything left, which is
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: part of the problem.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: But whatever this metallic object is, if they are able
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: to figure out a way to divert some of the
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: water there, say all layers converge in a central corridor
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: or avenue, he said, like the atrium of a shopping
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: mall where you could see all floors from one vantage point,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: a hall consisting of a massive space 40 meters wide
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: and no less than 100 meters long. My personal interpretation,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 3: Tim said, is that the entire hall was constructed to
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: house a centrally positioned freestanding object about 40 meters long.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: So this hall, they believe, was constructed to house whatever
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: this 40 meter long unknown metallic object is.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: How could they not dig that up?
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: Well, they could, but it's going to cost an immense
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: amount of money. And the thing is about the Egyptians,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: the people that run it, I had one of them
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 3: on the podcast, Zahi Hawass, and he's incredibly dogmatic about
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: his ideas of who built this and what. And when
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: you say, how did they make these structures? 2,300,000 stones.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: that weigh between 2 and 80 tons. The biggest stones
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: cut from quarries that were hundreds of miles away through
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: the mountain. And it's like, this was a national project.
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  Speaker 1: The Egyptians did everything. Shut the fuck up. Because they
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: were awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they were awesome. I'm sure they were awesome.
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  Speaker 3: But it doesn't explain the technology involved. Because there's extreme technology.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: Just to be able to cut those things. One of
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: the things that they don't understand is these vases. These
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: vases that they made that are perfectly... Yeah. Perfectly designed
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: where there's the difference between like the edges and the
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: symmetry is like a thousandth of a human hair. And
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: these are cut out of incredibly hard granite. They don't. Really?
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  Speaker 4: I've never heard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You guys are familiar with these.
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  Speaker 3: This is a 3D print of one of them. That exists.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're fascinated by the perfection. Yes. And they're saying,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: how did they do that? We don't even know.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: How to do that. Incredibly hard stone.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: Built with an incredible precision.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And granite?
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 5: Granite.
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  Speaker 3: Incredibly hard granite, incredible precision back when they had no
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: metal alloys. They had copper tools. It doesn't make any sense.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: None of it makes any sense. Then there's the symmetry
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: involved in some of these statues.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: Like they're perfectly symmetrical in terms of the distance between
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: the eyes, the nose, the lips. No one's face is symmetrical.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: Your left side of your face is different. If you
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: combine the two sides, it looks weird. But when you
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: look at these statues, these statues, which are massive, carved
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: out of granite, again, supposedly before they had steel. Like
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: they didn't have diamond-tipped instruments to do this. They polished them.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: They're perfectly symmetrical and massive. Some of them are 1,000 tons.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: And they don't have any understanding of how these people
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: built these things or put them there. And they all
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: seem to be the biggest, most spectacular ones are the oldest.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: How could you not want to dig those up?
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: And look at them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're concerned about national pride.
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  Speaker 4: But if you dig them up.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: It's not just national pride. It's the pride of the
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: people that have been espousing this one narrative for so long.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: That's part of the problem, the gatekeepers of the information.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: It's still national pride.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: It is, but these people are idiots. That's part of
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: the problem. Their own ego is preventing them from being
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: open-minded and calling out to the world's research communities and saying, listen,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: there's something going on here. We don't have the big picture.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: We have a picture that we have formed from a
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: limited amount of information, and we've been incredibly arrogant about
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: what we're assuming. We also know that a lot of
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: these pharaohs would carve their name and carve their hieroglyphs
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: into existing things. They would claim existing things. Some of
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: the carvings on these things are far cruder in the
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: way they've done it than the actual construction of the thing.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: And they think that these are old things that were
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: there already. And then these later pharaohs chiseled their hieroglyphs
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 3: into these things.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 5: And another thing, and this has been mentioned a lot,
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 5: is the fact that there's no tools that were ever
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: discovered in those areas that would prove that those things
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 5: were made with those. And they had to use tools.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 5: They had to have something. So there's not even that.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 5: That's not even available. So it's like, how did they
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 5: do it? Did they hide the tools? I mean, why
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 5: would they do that? It doesn't– none of it makes
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 5: any sense.
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  Speaker 3: And also these incredibly hard vases that you find, they're
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: the oldest ones. They're the things that they find in
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 3: the oldest sites. It's like the most complicated, complex, confusing
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: technology seems to be the oldest stuff. There's also like.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 5: You had another guy here that does research on Peru
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 5: and he was talking– I can't remember his name. I
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 5: got to meet him.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: Luke Caverns? Was it him?
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it goes to Peru, and he has a show
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 5: about that, about the ancient stuff that they're finding underground
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 5: in Peru.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: There's a couple guys. What was the other guy?
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 5: He's got black hair. I can't remember his name.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: That's Luke. Younger guy?
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, younger guy.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Luke.
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  Speaker 5: So basically, he was talking about the fact that there's
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 5: two layers of ancient stuff in Peru. The first layer
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: is younger, and what's below it is what's really incredible.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: And more complex.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 5: More complex, but they don't want to go there because
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 5: you're going to destroy... an existing archaeological site that's on
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: top of it. So what's happening is they're having trouble
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 5: now getting permission to go to the lower level, which
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 5: is even better, because they're going to have to break
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 5: an archaeological site of a more recent part of that civilization.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: Well, this is a common theme among people. We build
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: on older sites. There's a place that I go to
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 3: in Italy, in the Amalfi Coast, and there's this incredible
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: old church there that's over a thousand years old. But
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 3: it's built on an even older church. And there's a
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: plexiglass floor.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: That shows the old church.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: The old church is underneath it. And you can see
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 3: the structure of this old church. And I was asking them,
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: how old is the old church? They go, we don't know.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: It's over 1,000 years old. So it's over 1,000 years old,
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: this church. And then this really old church is on
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: top of it that's like hundreds and hundreds of years
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: old also. But they built it on top of an
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: existing structure. So this is a common theme. This is
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: a theme in Peru where you see the Inca construction,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: which is like much less complicated, smaller stones, mud mortar.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: But it's on top of these megalithic structures that are
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 3: carved in these jigsaw shapes where it seems like they've
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: been melted. It's freaky stuff. They have no understanding of
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: what technology was used. Who did it, how they did it,
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: how they moved these immense thousand-ton stones and cut them
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: with precision in this jigsaw way so that it will
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: absorb the energy of earthquakes and not fall down.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of that stuff that's really, really freaky.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: And then you get into old religious texts, and that's
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: when things get really freaky. You get to things like
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: the Book of Enoch that talk about the watchers who
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: came down from the sky.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: And created humans. A lot of unusual stuff happened a
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: long time ago.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: And we don't have a good record of it. We
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: just have what we know. And what we know we
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: get very arrogant about. We know what happened 300 years ago.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: That's a really good point of what we know we
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: get very arrogant about.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: And anything else we don't accept.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: These academics and these people that are in charge of
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 3: the narrative like the people in Egypt where they're very
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: arrogant and they're gatekeepers because their whole identity is based
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: on them being the ones that explain to the world
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: how these incredible sites were produced. And if something comes
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 3: along that is counter to that narrative, they fight it.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: They fight it because it's part of them. It's their identity.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 5: When I spoke to Filippo Biondi, I talked to one
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 5: of my cousins in Italy. I spent a lot of
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 5: my time in Italy when I was younger. One of them,
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 5: she was younger than I was when I was there,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: but she's now become a respected archaeologist in Rome, and
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 5: she's an Egyptologist. And I went out to Italy to
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 5: visit family, and I was sitting at the table. This
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 5: is not even that long ago. And she's sitting next
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 5: to me. And I mean, I remember her from being
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 5: a kid. And she nudged me at the table. Her
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: family's all academic. Everybody's a doctor or scientist or something
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 5: like that. So there's always that pride of the science.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 5: And she nudges me. And in Italian, she says, I'm
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 5: really interested in what you do, what you're looking into.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 5: And I knew what she meant. It was about UFOs.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 5: And I just responded. I'm even more interested in what
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 5: you know about what's out there in Egypt. And she
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 5: looked at me and she says, we don't really know
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 5: all of it. She said, a lot of it makes
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 5: no sense. But she said it whispering because she knew
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 5: that that's not well seen at the table because now
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 5: she's going to come across as this pseudoscience type of like,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 5: oh my God, she's going to come out of the
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 5: mainstream world You know, so, and then she, she came,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 5: she went to her place and I was still there.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 5: We were there for a couple of days. She came
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 5: and gave me a little book and, uh, in Italian,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know how to say it. The missing, I
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 5: don't know how to say it in English, but the
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 5: missing Vangelo, like the missing scriptures, basically. It's a little
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 5: book in Italian about the missing scriptures that are not
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 5: in the Bible and that speak of things that are
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 5: not convenient for what we are arrogant to think we understand.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 3: And one of the fascinating things about these missing scriptures
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: is they found them alongside existing scriptures. So when they
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 3: found the Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran, so they found
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: these in a cave in Qumran. It's kind of a
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: crazy thing. Like someone threw a rock and hit a
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 3: clay pot and heard the shattering of a clay pot.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: So they threw a rock into this high cave and,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: realized there was something in there. And then they started
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: looking and then they found these scrolls that were in
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: these clay pots. Inside the scrolls, they found the book
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: of Isaiah. It was a thousand years older than the
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: oldest version of the book of Isaiah that we had
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: ever found. And it's identical verbatim to the book of
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: Isaiah that is currently in the Bible. Along with it
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: is the book of Enoch. And the book of Enoch
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: is fucking squirrely.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the book of Enoch is squirrely. That's a good
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: way to describe it.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: Just a few rabbis decided that the book of Enoch
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: was too weird because it didn't jive with the Torah,
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: so they left it out of the biblical canon. That's right.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: That's why it's not taught. But the book of Enoch
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: is readily available. You can read it, and it's also
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: in the Ethiopian Bible. The Ethiopian Bible includes the book
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: of Enoch. Really? Yes, and those are the people that supposedly...
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 3: are in possession of the Ark of the Covenant.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 5: The Ark of the Covenant, yeah.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: Which is like, Graham Hancock talks about it. There's like
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: a person is set to, like they have a job
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: of watching the Ark of the Covenant, but it's known
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: that it's going to kill them. So they all get
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: cataracts and cancer.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like it has like bad things.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Well, it has some sort of radiation apparently.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: And they exhibit signs of radiation poisoning when these people
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 3: are designed to be the curators.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: Where is the Ark of the Covenant supposed to be?
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: In Ethiopia, supposedly in Ethiopia.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: So you guys think that's, I think it's ancient technology.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: I think it's probably ancient technology. It's probably some completely
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: not understood ancient technology.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not discounting it.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 4: I'm just wondering.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I like the fact that you're skeptical, even though
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: you have the craziest fucking story.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: Of all time.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: But it speaks to your integrity. It really does. Because
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 3: you're not a guy who believes kooky shit. So for you,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: a guy who doesn't believe kooky shit is a hard,
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: rational scientist who's an engineer who's done things Like put
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: a rocket engine in the back of a fucking Honda
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: or a hydrogen-powered Corvette. And then you go and see
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: these things. You're like, wait, what the fuck is this
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: thing you have in this hangar?
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 4: I worship technology.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: Nothing else.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, to hear something like that, do you
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: think that that actually exists?
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Graham Hancock is convinced it exists. It's
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 3: very carefully guarded, and these people have been guarding it
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: for centuries.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's throughout history, right?
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 5: Yes. I mean, there's too many missing pieces of the
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 5: puzzle to really say one way or another.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: Whether or not it was just mythology or an actual.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: But it is weird that he's talked to these people
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: that have these fucking cataracts, and these people all say
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: the same thing. They die. The people that are designed
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 3: or that are designated to be the curators of this
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: A particular religious object.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: I relate this back to, I think I told you
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: the first time we met, you know, if somebody found
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: a nuclear reactor.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: Back at that time.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: You know, and they took it apart. They just would
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: drop dead. Right. You know, from the radio.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: Magically. Right. From that. And anybody that came in to
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: check on them would also die. And they go, this
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: is evil. It's cursed or whatever.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: Or something that you're not supposed to have access to
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: because it's divine.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: Or some other thing. Yeah, right.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: Could this be something at another level?
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 5: That, I have to say, and I mean, I'm no
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 5: one to say it, but I struggle with divine stuff
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 5: because I'm like, this craft or this technology. I mean,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 5: our phones to somebody a thousand years ago would look
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 5: like some divine object. I mean, it's technology to us.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 5: So we have to be very cautious. I'm not saying
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 5: there is no divine something. Maybe there is. We don't know.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 5: But I think technology really could mask itself as divine power. 100%.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: Or divine energy itself could be technology taken to its
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: final form.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 5: That I'm open to.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 3: Well, if you think about what we're talking about with
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: sentient AI, an AI that has the ability to make
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: better versions of itself, what happens if it's left alone
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 3: for a thousand years to do this? Well, what do
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: you have? You have something that can harness the power
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: of the universe itself. It has access to zero point energy,
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: can do whatever. I mean, it has a complete understanding
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 3: of quantum entanglement, complete understanding of how the universe functions,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: how it was created. There's new theories that believe that
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: the entire universe itself exists inside of a black hole.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: They're trying to figure out whether or not there ever
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: was a Big Bang or if it's a continuous cycle
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: of things existing inside black holes.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 4: So where do you think we are? What do you
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: think this is?
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's a process. I think we're at a
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: stage of a process. Our problem is we have ideology.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: We have dogma. We have ego. We have people that
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: are smarter than most people. but want to think that
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: they have all the information. And I don't think they do.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: And then we have open-minded people that are curious, but
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: don't want to look like kooks. And they're all trying
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: to figure it out while we're making a fucking digital God,
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: while these weirdo on the spectrum eggheads.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: We are literally manufacturing our own God.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: Right. But if you take that and you extrapolate, you
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: go from where it is now, you think about the
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 3: exponential increase of technology. Well, where does that go? It
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: kind of goes divine. I mean, that might be what
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: God is. We want to think that God is a
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: thing that exists. It just exists. It created everything. Maybe
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: we make God.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're on the same channel. Yeah, I
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: think we created God.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: I think human curiosity and this thirst for innovation is
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 3: all part of it.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 5: I'll say something about the technology because it always fascinates me.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, I spent four years with Bob and I
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 5: had to build it in a virtual environment. So I
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 5: kind of had to think about it while I'm doing it.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 5: But if you really think about what this technology that
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 5: you saw does, it essentially creates this artificial field of
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 5: whether it's artificial, maybe it's natural, maybe it's a natural field,
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 5: but it creates a field that we're not familiar with.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 5: And that field, I mean, Joe, you saw the movie.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 5: There was a test that was done in the lab
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 5: that froze a candle flame, okay? But the photons are
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 5: still visible within our realm here outside of the field,
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 5: and you're still seeing the photons, yet it looks like
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 5: it's frozen. To me, is that technology like a black hole?
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 5: Is it some type of time stop? And it basically
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 5: gives us the power to utilize time in our advantage.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 5: If you think about progression in technology, anything we do,
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 5: it takes time. Anything takes time, whether it's computing power.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 5: Now we're seeing quantum computers do things that they're faster
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 5: and faster, and they could do a trillion processes in
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 5: an instant, and Japan is coming up with better and
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 5: then China. But because everything has to do with how
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 5: long does it take to do that?
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 5: If a technology can make you bypass time, it's like
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 5: the record player playing music, but you're, you're now able
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 5: to lift it, lift the little pin on the record
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 5: and move it to wherever you want.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: Yes. And that's a good way to describe it. Right.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 5: And now at that point, Time is in your hands.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 5: And if we have a technology similar to what you saw,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 5: because you always said gravity is a control.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: Gravity is time.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 5: It's interlocked, right?
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: And space and time are interlocked.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. So if that's interlocked, then we have to
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 5: look at it not just as a propulsion system or
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 5: some type of cool weapon, but how is it affecting
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 5: time and how can we use that to our benefit
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 5: to evolve?
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 5: To evolve faster. Because again, the faster we can compute,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 5: the faster we could do something, the faster we're evolving.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 5: And if we could lift that needle and bring it
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 5: faster to get there, to get somewhere, why not use it?
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: Or should, I mean, should we be allowed to do that?
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: Us in our current form.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. Like I said, I'm not exactly on
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: our side anymore.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: Well, that was one of the. Do you remember, Jamie,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: who discussed the way they were describing the use of
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: some of this alien technology as. instantaneous weapon deployment systems.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure we should be trusted with this stuff.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: No, really.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: Well, if you think about what we're doing in Iran
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: right now, you would say no.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Right. I would say no.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: We're still flying over patches of dirt and bombing the
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: fucking shit out of it.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: No, imagine if we had something a million times that power.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: Really, humans should not be trusted. with that.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: Right. We want to trust it to AI. That's why
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: we're making it, Bob. This is getting scary. It is
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: getting scary.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: But it's not science fiction anymore.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: No, it's not. I mean, we're making fun of it now,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: but no, this is dangerous stuff. And I'm sorry.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 4: For the people who think this is all a joke.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: This is real. And I'm really not sure we should
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: be trusted with this. That's maybe why for 40 years
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: or 60 years people have agreed to keep it quiet.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: I would agree. Well, that's the most logical conclusion.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is incredibly dangerous stuff. And again, it's world-dominating technology.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what to do with it other
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: than to keep it from people.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 5: And how do we know if it comes up? Something
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 5: I always struggle with is, let's say we do get
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 5: some type of thing saying, all right, we have to
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 5: see it from somebody in the government, the president, whoever,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 5: that says, okay, here we are, we have this. Well,
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 5: first of all, we have to validate it. The journalists,
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 5: the whole world, the media is not going to just
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 5: trust somebody saying that. They're going to go, okay, wait
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 5: a minute, what are you talking about, right? So it's
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 5: not like because somebody says it, we just have to
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 5: swallow it. It's like, all right, go, show us, right?
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 5: And then when you do that, Well, now you're exposing
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 5: something else. What happens when we need to believe it? Like,
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 5: as people, what has to happen? For me to believe
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 5: something that somebody says, there really has to be something
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 5: serious that makes me believe it. You know what I mean? Like,
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 5: if a president or anybody, prime minister, whoever it is,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 5: says something to me, I'll still go like, okay. I mean,
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 5: show me.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: And then when they.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 5: Show it, How do I know that's actually that? Think
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 5: about that.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 5: Right? And then from there, we now have to go
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 5: to another level of, okay, well, if we have to
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 5: prove it, we have to bring in scientific community.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 5: That means they have access to it. What's the security
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: parameters there?
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 3: And then you get compartmentalization. Right. And then that stops
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: any sort of an understanding.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: And that's why you have this stigma, this stagnation of
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: where you've got these people working on this thing for
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: decades and not making any progress.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: Because you know how far we could have gotten if
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: there was free discussion between all the groups working on this?
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 3: But then you also have these fucking psychos like from Dr.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: Strangelove that want to turn it into a nuclear delivery system.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: So you don't have to worry about them detecting nuclear
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: bombs headed their way. You just instantaneously devastate Moscow in
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: one shot. You don't even have to take credit for it.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: Right. No, it's like we are not ready.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: Right. I know we're not ready, but we'd be more
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: advanced if we did that. No, I mean, I agree
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: It's all very strange, and no one knows more strange
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: than you.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: No, there are plenty of people that know more strains
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: than me. I mean, Dennis knew more strains than me.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: Anybody above him knew that. I just knew a small
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: part of it.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: But you, out of all the people that can talk
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: about it, that are out there communicating about it, you
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: have actually seen it physically.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I try to only talk about what I've seen
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: and touched and verified. I've heard plenty of other stuff
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: that I don't know if it's true or not. And
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: there's no sense in repeating that. Because nonsense moves at
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: the speed of light these days.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it does.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: And that's just, it's terrible.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: You live in a weird existence, Bob. You really do.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 3: Because you've been holding on to this. You have this
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 3: experience from 40 years ago that's just become a part
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 3: of folklore. It's become part of the zeitgeist. This is
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 3: why your podcast that we did is the most watched
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 3: podcast I've ever done. This resonates with people in a
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 3: way that, look, I've done a lot of UFO ones.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 3: I had Travis Walton on. I've had a lot of
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 3: people that have stories. They're all very interesting. They don't
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 3: get nearly the amount of traction that yours does. And
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: I think it's because you're uniquely credible. You're uniquely credible
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 3: in the fact that you are very skeptical. You're not
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 3: interested in these fantastic ideas. You're very dismissive of nonsense.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: But yet you have this burden. Like you actually... physically
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 3: touched these fucking things and went inside.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I mean, I was fortunate enough to
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: have this really unique job. That's about it. And I
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: am fascinated with the technology. But that's where it stops.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested in anybody else's story, although everybody has
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: to email me. And, you know, I understand it, you know,
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: that they're looking for somebody. Hey, I saw this thing
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: out when I was on my boat.
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 4: And, you know, what is it?
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, they're just looking for something. And
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it was Venus or something.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God, you suck.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 4: You know, you work for the government.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: That's true. Dude, I'm just looking for a prosaic explanation.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: And, you know, but I only know what I saw
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: and I touched for myself and everything else, even in
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: official government documentation. It's just words on paper. I don't
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: know if that stuff is true. So you've got to draw.
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 3: The line there. Yes.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: But, you know, I know what I did see, I
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 1: know for a fact, and there is no way you
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: can tell me that that's not real.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, I have to say, in having worked with
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 5: him and having... You know, inadvertently, there's no way that
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 5: myself or people on my team weren't trying to dig deeper.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 5: Maybe there's a problem. Maybe there's going to be a gap.
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 5: Maybe we'll find something wrong with the story. Because we
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 5: went very deep. We had to build S4. We had
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 5: to build a sport model. And there were things that
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 5: happened over the years, things that he had said to
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 5: us before we had built it, that there's no way
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 5: he could have known better. Because there were physicalities, real
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 5: things that we built. When you build something in a
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 5: 3D environment, you're actually building a real world. It's got
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 5: light bounce and refractions like the real world. Like when
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 5: you turn on the light, it does the same thing.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 5: If a material has a sheen, you see it. It's
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 5: literally the same thing. It's just computing power that gives
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 5: you access to another world. And he mentioned things that
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 5: were absolutely impossible to know.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 3: Like what?
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 5: One of the things that got, two things really convinced me.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 5: One of them was in the interior of the craft.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 5: You had said to us, it was very dark in there.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 5: And while Bob is explaining to us this interior of
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 5: the craft, and many times he kept repeating, it was
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 5: really dark in there.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: Even though there were halogen lights in there.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 5: And so at a certain point, he says, as I'm
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 5: crawling in, there's like these extension cords. And I remember going,
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 5: extension cords? Like, it hadn't. computed. And he's like, yeah,
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 5: they had lights in there. And I'm thinking it's true.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's no light switch inside this big thing.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 5: It's 50, 52 feet. It's big. And so he said, yeah,
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 5: there were two big industrial yellow, uh, industrial lights with
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 5: four spots each pointed up. And so we decided to
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 5: make those. We decided to research the type that were
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 5: used back then in the United States, especially on military bases,
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 5: the halogen power because it was halogen in 1988.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: And we turned them on.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 4: And it was still dark.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 5: And it was super dark. And I remember Christopher Matteau,
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 5: by the way, a big shout out to Christopher Matteau
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 5: that's on my team who made a lot of those visuals.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 5: And he's like a magician. He's the best. And he's there,
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 5: and I said, Chris, turn on the lights because we
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 5: have to film in the craft. And he's like, they're on.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 5: I said, they're not fucking on. I can't see anything.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 5: He's like, they're fully on. And I said, well, that
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense. It's so dark in there. I
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 5: remember thinking, shit. It consumes light in there. And so
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 5: we upped the power of the light so that you
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 5: could see more, and it was still dark. And I thought,
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 5: what the hell is happening? I go, is there a
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 5: bug in there? Is there something wrong? He goes, no,
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know. It's absorbing the light in there. We
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 5: had to up the light intensity on those tripods by
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 5: 20-fold in order for you to see the visuals you
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 5: see in our film. Otherwise, it would be really dark
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 5: in that craft.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: So how did you compute that? What parameters did you establish?
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 5: So what you do is you're inside a 3D environment.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 5: You're an actual... You're in a 3D world. Now we're
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 5: inside the craft that is 52 feet in diameter. We
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 5: bring a camera in there. So we were filming. The
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 5: whole film was done with Blackmagic 6K cams. So we
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 5: would bring our Blackmagics in the 3D environment. You can
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 5: actually set that so that we could film inside the craft.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 5: So it matches the filming of our real cameras. And
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 5: so as soon as the camera's on, it's the same lens.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 5: It's the same aperture. Everything is as you would have it.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 5: And so you're trying to adjust for this dark room.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 5: But if the room is really dark, you can't really
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 5: get a good look at it. Because if you go
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 5: close enough, you would have seen like a seat and
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 5: a little bit of the reactor. But you would have
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 5: been like, what's the black screen I'm looking at?
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 3: So what is the explanation for why it's so dark?
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 4: It's just the way the light reflects.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 5: And that is exactly, yeah. It's when you're in that space, exactly.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: But here's the question. What are you, when you're making
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: this in a computer model, what are you putting in
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: that would make it absorb light that way?
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 5: I didn't do that. So what we did is we
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 5: spent over a year with Bob. I'm not kidding. It
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 5: was like a year of trying to figure out the
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 5: material of the craft, the actual skin of the craft.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 5: That was the hardest thing to do.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: The specularity and the reflectivity of the actual material.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 5: When you see this.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: And the angle.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: And then when the lights are in there, they just
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: reflect at a weird angle. And it never gets bright
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: in there unless you have tremendous amounts of light in there.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 4: It's always dark.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 5: And sorry to interrupt, but that would have been. So
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 5: when that happened and we have the right material, which
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 5: is like this, let's call it unpolished stainless steel material.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 5: It's got a little bit of usage to it just
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 5: to give it some texture. It's got the same sheen, reflection,
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 5: refractions of a real material like that because every time
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 5: we put a fake light in there, okay, it's reacting
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 5: like that. And now you turn these big halogen lights on,
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 5: and it's like the part of where the halogen is
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 5: hitting the ceiling of the craft because they were turned upwards. Remember,
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 5: Bob said they were not pointed like this. They were
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 5: pointed to the ceiling of the craft. So you got
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 5: two of them. It's like wherever the light was going
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 5: was getting eaten up by that portion of the material.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 5: So it's not reflecting all the way. So you have
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 5: a 52-foot distance, and it's being lost in a maybe 7,
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 5: 8-foot diameter environment, area where the light is. And we're like,
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 5: why is that happening? But that's how it– that's the reality.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 5: He could not have known that. If he's trying to
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 5: make that up, anybody who's inventing a story says there's
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 5: two industrial light with four bright halogen spots in there.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 5: A liar would not say it was really dark in there.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 5: You don't know that. You have to build it.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 5: So to me, that was a physicality of being inside
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 5: the craft that made me go, Lazar could not have
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 5: known that. If he was making that up.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't know it until you experimented. Exactly. Right.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 5: So I'm like, unless Bob back then decided to go in,
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 5: in his garage, build himself a fake dome, which I
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 5: don't think you did. I'm like, how would he have
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 5: known that? We didn't expect that. We were, we were
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 5: struggling with why is it so dark?
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 3: And then you make films. So you're used to using lighting. Exactly.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 5: And, and Chris was like, dude, this thing is just
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 5: eating up the light. And I'm like, Bob kept saying,
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 5: it's so dark in there. And it just, how do you,
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 5: how do you, how is that possible?
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 3: What were the other things?
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 5: The other one, I laugh about this with Bob all
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 5: the time. It's about the flag on the craft that
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 5: you could have seen it.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 1: I don't remember.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 5: So when he walked into the hangar the very first time,
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 5: he saw the very first time.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 1: The backwards flag.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 5: He saw the craft and he saw the American, a
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 5: reversed American flag sticker on the craft.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: I wonder why it was reversed.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 5: I'll get to that in a sec. I think I know,
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 5: but whatever. I'll say what I think. And there's a
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 5: lot of stuff. I researched a lot of stuff on
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 5: Bob Lazar before I did this, and there's a lot
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 5: of bad information out there. So I really tell people,
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 5: if you really want to see what he saw, don't
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 5: go read what's out there. Check this out because Bob
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 5: actually vetted everything. So it's not the wrong information to read.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 5: But anyway, there's a lot of, detractors saying there's no
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 5: way Lazar could have seen that flag. If the craft
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 5: was that size and it was on the hull, on
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 5: the craft shell, there's no way the angle, he's five something,
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 5: he wouldn't have been able to see it. So we
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 5: built it. We built a 52 foot diameter craft. We
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 5: put it in the hangar. It's there. And my team, Chris,
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 5: gives me the goggles, the ones I made you try on.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 5: And it was the very first time I go in there.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 5: And I know the craft is there. So I put
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 5: them on. And now they're They're hoping, because they're there
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 5: with notes, they're hoping I'm giving them all the notes. Oh, no,
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 5: that's not good. That's not good. And the first thing
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 5: I did is I looked to my right. I'm looking
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 5: at the craft. And I asked Chris to put me
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 5: at 5'10, which is your height. So I said, at 5'10,
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 5: I'm Bob's height with the goggles. I want to see.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 5: And the first thing I said is, oh, there it is.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 5: And they're like, there what is? I said, the flag.
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 5: And they thought I was pointing at a flag on
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 5: a wall. And they're like, there's no flag in the hangar.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 5: I said, no, on the craft. And they're like, yeah.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 5: I said, you can clearly see it. It was clear.
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 5: That was something that also made me go, yeah, this
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 5: is it. This is the real size. So had Bob
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 5: Lazar not actually seen that, The majority of the detractors
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 5: out there kept saying there's no way at that angle
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 5: a human eye could see a sticker on the top
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 5: of the craft, which is on the top shell. But
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 5: you can. It's as clear as day. So those were
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 5: two things that I considered to be like, you know,
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 5: it's there. So I know to maybe some people that's
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 5: not a lot. But as a person like I am,
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 5: who's very technical, I'm very... I'm super difficult. It took
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 5: a long time to do this because I'm a perfectionist
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 5: and I wanted to make sure it was accurate to
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 5: what he saw. I look at stuff like that because
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 5: I analyze everything like that. And I analyzed his story
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 5: inside out.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 3: And if you couldn't see the flag from that position, it.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 5: Would be a red flag. Yeah, that would have been
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 5: a red flag for me. I would have been like, wait,
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 5: you can't see it. But you can. So you can't put...
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 5: enough of a value on little details like that because
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 5: he didn't say this in 2026. He said this in 1989. Right.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 3: Why do you think the flag was reversed?
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 5: In American flag use law, the only thing we were
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 5: able to ascertain is the fact that on military or
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 5: on vehicles, anything military on a uniform, if ever you
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 5: see an American flag on your right shoulder, it's reversed
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 5: because it's how the wind is blowing the flag. On
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 5: your left side, it's like the flag is because the
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 5: wind is blowing this way. If you look at vehicles,
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 5: let's say a Greyhound bus, they have American flags on
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 5: each side and they have a normal one on the
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 5: left one. on the left side and a reversed on
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 5: the right side because it's the right side.
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: Of the vehicle.
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 5: So it's blowing, it's blowing the flag that way. So
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 5: the reversed American flag is a, is a, is a actual, uh,
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 5: it's the law of how to use the flag in
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 5: the United States military or on vehicles. And it has
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 5: to be like that on the right side. So to,
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 5: to say, is that the right side of the craft?
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it must be.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 5: It must be because if you go into the craft,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 5: the seats, when you go into the craft, I can't
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 5: wait for you to go in the craft. When you
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 5: go inside, the seats are facing the right side, meaning
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 5: the hatch is the right side of the craft. It's
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 5: the only thing that came to mind. I mean, is
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 5: that what they did at S4? They fucking put a
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 5: sticker on it? I mean, it's the only logical thing
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 5: we could think of is that's why it was there.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Because if it was just for identifying...
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 5: this is America, why would you reverse it?
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 3: Right. Right? You're reversing it because it's indicating the direction
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 3: in which it travels. Exactly. Wow.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 5: That's just an interesting... Yeah.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 3: Right? It's all interesting. The goggles is a trip. Right.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 3: When I put on the 3D AR goggles and VR goggles, rather,
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 3: and you stand in that warehouse... That hanger.
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 5: The hanger.
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 3: And look at it. It's very strange. It feels weird.
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 1: That's exactly like it was.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 3: It feels very weird. It feels very weird. Because, I mean,
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 3: I'm only imagining what it's like to actually be you
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 3: in 1988 and be standing there.
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 4: When you put the goggles on, that's exactly how it was.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 3: What did Dennis say when you first saw it? Was
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 3: he like, huh?
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 4: Dennis was hardcore.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: He was, yeah. He was here. Look at that.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 4: You know, come back in here.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, it.
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 1: There was no reaction. Barry, on the other hand, was
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: out of his mind. He couldn't wait to show me stuff. And,
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: you know, he said, check this out.
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: It was that awesome. You know, but Dennis was it
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: was like a hardcore, you know, military guy.
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 3: How much of a view did you get of the
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 3: other crafts? Because it's one of the things in the
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 3: film you only see like hints of them.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: That was it.
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: What you saw in the film is exactly what it was.
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: It was just a passing thing. And as I was
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 1: walking out there going, wow, there's more. Everything looks different.
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 1: And other than the first two hangars, I really couldn't
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: tell what was passed out there. But there were other
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: hangars and there were things inside them.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 3: It's also interesting that at the time in 1988, this
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 3: site was not even confirmed. This was like for you
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 3: to have to know about this and know the exact
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 3: location of it is kind of strange.
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 4: Now, Luigi did that. I mean, I gave him the
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 4: general idea.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, I know what time I got
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: out there and I could see Papoose Lake and behind me.
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 1: He pulled up a lot of stuff from there. But
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 1: another interesting thing he pulled up was there was an
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 1: old silver mine exactly there in the exact same place.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if they used that as it was
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 1: already drilled. There was already, you know, carters in there.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 5: I actually held this for this show. What I'm about
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 5: to say is the first time ever. It didn't make
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 5: it in my film. I wish it did, but it
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 5: didn't make it in the film. Veronica on our team,
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 5: she's my sister. She's like my right hand. And if
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 5: I didn't have her, I wouldn't be here right now.
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 5: She found this. And at a certain point, we were
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 5: looking at the maps out there and we You'll see
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 5: in my film that Gene Huff sent us some U.S.
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 5: Department of the Interior official maps of that environment at
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 5: the Groom Lake, Papoose Lake. But we weren't satisfied. We
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 5: wanted to go deeper. We said there's got to be more.
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 5: And there's one map that is a publicly available map.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 5: It's super not easy to find, by the way, that
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 5: is in the hands of the U.S. Department of the Interior.
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 5: I could get it to you if you want. I
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 5: can email it to you. That map is the oldest
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 5: map of Papoose Lake known in the hands of the
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 5: government that is public domain. That map, and everybody's going
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 5: to be listening to this, clearly shows a road that
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 5: goes right into where S4 was.
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 3: Is.
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 5: It doesn't show a road near it. It shows a
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 5: road going right In the mountain. And they removed it.
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 5: That map is from 1941. Okay? Right after that, the
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 5: map is 1950 and 1952. And those roads were removed.
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 5: But the oldest map we ever found, it's going to
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 5: be available. We're going to post it on our website.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 5: It's going to be everywhere. It shows clear as day.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 5: a road that goes right into the mountain, exactly where
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 5: Bob Lazar said S4 was.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: So do you think that that was the road to
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 3: the silver mine initially?
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 5: Yes, I believe that, yeah.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 1: It makes sense that they would use an existing facility
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 1: and just enlarge it instead of start from nothing.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 3: Right, of course, especially if it's abandoned.
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 3: And it also makes sense that if Roswell was real,
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 3: and if they really did find a crashed UFO in 1947, like,
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 3: In the 1950s, they'd be like, let's get rid of
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 3: this fucking road. Right. Yeah. If we're putting this out there,
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 3: if we're building this facility out there, and if they
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 3: did have it, that also makes sense that they've worked
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 3: on this for decades. You come along in 1988, they've
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 3: got this happening in the 1950s, and it's still there.
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 5: I think what happened is when the CIA took over,
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 5: because CIA is the one that took over Area 51.
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 5: They're the ones at Area 51. I think what happened
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 5: is as they took over, they just removed the roads.
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 5: It wasn't even because there was a flying saucer there.
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 5: I just think they got in there, took control of
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 5: that terrain, that whole landscape, and said, remove it off
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 5: the maps. Because it's there prior to them taking ownership
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 5: of that land. So, I mean, it's clear that there
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 5: was a road there. And then they came in, CIA said,
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 5: take it out. And S4 might have had already an installation.
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 5: It wasn't an installation, but they probably had it. a
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 5: tunnel in there already because it was a mine. So
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 5: it was an easier way to build a big facility
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 5: in the side of the hill. Makes sense.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 3: It does make sense. And then there's also the images
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 3: that you got of what looks like the hangar bay
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 3: doors that are camouflaged.
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 5: And I have to say that.
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 3: Got to go again? Yeah. Sorry.
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 5: No worries. That's all good.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 1: Prostate problem.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 3: Technology will fix that. It'll remove your prostate. Turn you
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 3: into a fucking alien. So that image that you got
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 3: of the... Unfortunately, it's kind of blurry. But you do
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 3: see something that looks very similar to what you'd expect
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 3: to be camouflaged garage bay doors.
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 5: I got contacted by a guy called Scott Mitchell. And
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 5: I was getting contacted by everybody, Joe.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 3: Everybody.
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 5: everybody was trying to get in and getting to make
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 5: me work with them or use something they found. So
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 5: I was ignoring 95, 99% of people's like, it's getting tiring.
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 5: Everybody's like, you got to listen to me. I know
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 5: stuff about that. And I'm like, whatever. I'm working with
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 5: Bob Lazar. I have enough right now. But this guy,
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 5: we had built the base and I knew exactly where
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 5: it was. I knew exactly the layout. And this guy,
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 5: he not only contacted me, but he sent me an
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 5: image that he had that he had drawn. He didn't
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 5: want to send me what he had found, but he says,
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 5: here it is. This is where the doors are, and
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 5: this is exactly where they point to. I looked at
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 5: the image, and I said, not bad. I mean, he
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 5: really nailed it in the image, and I thought, okay.
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 5: At first, I thought somebody on my team leaked something
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 5: we had. To be honest, I'm like, who did that?
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 5: Who sent out one of our renders to somebody? Because
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 5: that's what I thought, and they're like, no, no, no.
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 5: This is what So I talked to this guy and
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 5: he's really, really good at researching. And he ended up
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 5: becoming probably one of the best I've ever, like he's
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 5: one of the best I've ever seen. His name is
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 5: Scott Mitchell. And he says, there are pictures that were
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 5: taken in 2020. And ironically, those pictures were taken on
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 5: December 25th, 2020, which is Christmas day in the middle
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 5: of COVID, which means the base might've been shut down.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 5: If you think about that, you know what I mean?
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 5: Like it's COVID. It's like in the heat of it.
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 5: Plus it's 20, it's the 25th of December. So there's
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 5: probably nothing going on there. And this private pilot in
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 5: a small Cessna requested access inside the perimeter and they
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 5: granted him permission. And he had a big Nikon camera
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 5: on board with a big telescopic zoom. And he took
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 5: a shit ton of pictures and they're amazing. They're all public.
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 5: They're all available. You could download them. And, There's these
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 5: pictures of Papoose Lake and the hill. They were being
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 5: used on the internet for a long time. Everybody was like, see,
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 5: Bob Lazar is a fraud. It's not real. There's nothing there. Well,
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 5: of course you can't see it. It's, first of all,
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 5: 17 miles away. And secondly, they're not designed for you
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 5: to see it. And that also, let's talk about something
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 5: that Bob was talking about in 1988. The picture was
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 5: taken in 2020. I mean, there could be, that could
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 5: be a different landscape now.
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so.
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 5: He said, look, this image, if you change the contrast,
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 5: you got to keep the original, but just move and
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 5: try to extract data from your image. You know, anybody
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 5: who knows how to use that, do that with photography,
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 5: you can do that. And he, and he pulls out these, this,
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 5: this geometric, these geometric shapes. You could see them. They're,
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 5: they're like little, they look like rectangles. And I thought,
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 5: what if this is not real? I was super skeptical.
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 5: I'll be honest with you. We're talking about the picture
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 5: with the doors, the hangar doors, the one from Scott Mitchell,
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 5: the one that we have in the film.
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, right, right.
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 5: And so I didn't believe it. I thought, there's no way.
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 5: I go, there's no way this is real. I don't
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 5: believe it. So Scott was really cool. He said, look, man,
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 5: I understand you're a skeptic. I get it. I want
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 5: you to do me a favor.
• 2:47:49
  Speaker 3: Go online.
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 5: Search it yourself. I won't even tell you where it is.
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 5: I'll just tell you who took the pictures. The only
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 5: thing he gave us is the picture number is 0501.
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 5: That's what the picture number is. He goes, if you
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 5: find it, have whoever on your team play around with
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 5: it until you see it. That was fair because I said, okay, because,
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, if it's out there, there's two different places
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 5: it was online, and the one place we got it
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 5: from was the source of it, okay, was from the photographer,
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 5: the guy himself. We take it. I had three different
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 5: people on my team. Everybody's really good at all this
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 5: stuff on my team. So I said, guys, this is
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 5: what we need to see. If you guys could pull
• 2:48:34
  Speaker 5: it up, I'm not going to be as skeptical. Everybody
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 5: got it almost in the same time. They were playing
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 5: around and eventually the easiest software we used to get
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 5: that detail out was DaVinci Resolve. And with DaVinci, it's
• 2:48:50
  Speaker 5: a faster process than if you're messing around with Photoshop
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 5: or whatever. And it came and I was like, oh
• 2:48:56
  Speaker 5: my God, it's really there. You could clear. So what
• 2:49:00
  Speaker 5: I did is I had them scan the rest of
• 2:49:03
  Speaker 5: the pictures because it's pixels, right? So I said, let's
• 2:49:07
  Speaker 5: also see if it's not some pixel pixelation. Is it
• 2:49:11
  Speaker 5: maybe just what the photo does? Maybe we just got
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 5: lucky and it looks like that there. Maybe it's going
• 2:49:16
  Speaker 5: to show something similar elsewhere and it doesn't. And then
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 5: I said, all right, go get me 0502. I want 0500.
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 5: I want, because like I kept snapping pictures. I want
• 2:49:26
  Speaker 5: you to do the same. Like we went really military.
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 5: Like I said, I want to make sure This is
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 5: this is real. I don't I'm not going to put
• 2:49:33
  Speaker 5: our name on this if it's not. And it ended
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 5: up being other pictures also show it, by the way,
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 5: because he went click, click, click. So it's like it's
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 5: not just that one. That's the clearest one. And so
• 2:49:45
  Speaker 5: I was at a certain point. I go to Bob's
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 5: house and I'm sitting there and the guy calls me.
• 2:49:52
  Speaker 5: Scott Mitchell calls me and he has no idea I'm
• 2:49:55
  Speaker 5: with Bob Lazar.
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 4: So I pick up.
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 5: It's a video call. And he goes, hey, man, what's
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 5: going on? I said, well, look. I said, look who
• 2:50:02
  Speaker 5: I'm with. And he just, like, exploded because he was like, oh,
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 5: my God, you're with Bob. And I said, show him.
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 5: And so Bob was there, and we showed it. We
• 2:50:10
  Speaker 5: ended up transferring the call on a Zoom call, and
• 2:50:13
  Speaker 5: he showed it. And you said, yeah. Like, I remember
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 5: you going, yeah, that's it.
• 2:50:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:50:18
  Speaker 3: What did that look like to you when you saw
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 3: those images?
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was awesome.
• 2:50:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:50:23
  Speaker 1: It was awesome.
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 4: What was really shocking was, The first.
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 5: Hangar was bigger.
• 2:50:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's what you described.
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 1: Because the first hangar is the big hangar and there's
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 1: smaller ones.
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 4: And I said, Jesus, the first hangar is bigger.
• 2:50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You found it.
• 2:50:38
  Speaker 4: You found it. So, I mean, that was– I just
• 2:50:42
  Speaker 4: lit up at that point.
• 2:50:44
  Speaker 3: What happens if you look at that site with Google Earth?
• 2:50:47
  Speaker 1: That is with Google Earth.
• 2:50:48
  Speaker 5: No, no, that was the picture, but Google Earth, but
• 2:50:51
  Speaker 5: Google Earth. And I'll tell you something about Google. That
• 2:50:54
  Speaker 5: wasn't with Google Earth? No, the picture is a real photo.
• 2:50:58
  Speaker 5: The picture of the hangar doors is a real photo.
• 2:51:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 2:51:00
  Speaker 1: I thought that was Google Earth.
• 2:51:01
  Speaker 5: No, no, the picture is a real photo. The Google
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 5: Earth though, you see that in the film.
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 5: I can't make this up. I didn't want to put
• 2:51:08
  Speaker 5: anything in the film. That was one of my things.
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 5: I didn't want to put anything in the film that
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 5: would make me, the whole team... or even Bob look
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 5: like we're trying to like MacGyver some, something in there.
• 2:51:21
  Speaker 5: It has to be, you go look for it yourself.
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 5: It's public. If you don't believe it, go check it
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 5: out yourself. I, that's how, that's what was, that's the
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 5: only thing we allowed in there. And when you go
• 2:51:34
  Speaker 5: on Papoose Lake on June 20, so June 22nd of 2024,
• 2:51:38
  Speaker 5: June of 2024, Google Earth changed. You're going to be
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 5: right over Papoose Lake. If you zoom in, you're not
• 2:51:52
  Speaker 5: going to notice it because it's kind of a yellowish
• 2:51:56
  Speaker 5: tint to the image. And I remember going, why is
• 2:51:59
  Speaker 5: it so yellow? I mean, I'd been there so many times.
• 2:52:02
  Speaker 5: I was like, why the fuck it turned so yellow?
• 2:52:05
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, so I'm zooming out and I'm like,
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 5: why did they fuck it up? I thought they fucking
• 2:52:11
  Speaker 5: ruined everything. It's all yellow. And as I go further,
• 2:52:14
  Speaker 5: you see this box that is like right over Papoose.
• 2:52:20
  Speaker 5: So I'm like, what is that? And I put my
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 5: mouse over it. And wherever you're in the box, it's
• 2:52:26
  Speaker 5: June 22nd, 2024. And as soon as you put your
• 2:52:30
  Speaker 5: mouse outside of the box, well, it's an older date.
• 2:52:35
  Speaker 5: And I thought, oh, they just did that. And so
• 2:52:40
  Speaker 5: I think what they thought they were going to do
• 2:52:43
  Speaker 5: is that new filter right over Papoose Lake removes every
• 2:52:48
  Speaker 5: possible detail on the terrain, the landscape, where the brushes
• 2:52:53
  Speaker 5: are and the Joshua trees are. It really, really removes
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 5: all that.
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 3: It blurs everything.
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 5: It blurs everything out. But it makes, they made a mistake.
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 5: They made a huge error. I believe so. And I
• 2:53:04
  Speaker 5: think if they're listening, they're going to go, yeah, our
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 5: bad to the DOD. Because you see all the tracks
• 2:53:12
  Speaker 5: on the lake. For some reason, that filter accentuates the
• 2:53:18
  Speaker 5: tracks on Papoose Lake and removes the landscape brushes.
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 5: It just did that. And I was like, holy shit,
• 2:53:28
  Speaker 5: you see all these tracks.
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 3: What it looks like is they're trying to purposely obscure
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 3: the area.
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:53:33
  Speaker 3: And the fact that it's in a very clear box.
• 2:53:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:53:36
  Speaker 3: And you talked about that in the film. Yeah. It's
• 2:53:39
  Speaker 3: kind of bonkers.
• 2:53:40
  Speaker 4: There's really no reason.
• 2:53:41
  Speaker 5: There's no reason.
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 1: To pick one little square box at an hour.
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 4: That nobody goes to.
• 2:53:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right?
• 2:53:47
  Speaker 3: To try to obscure it. Yeah.
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 5: And so I thought, geez, we got to put this
• 2:53:52
  Speaker 5: in there. I mean, it's so cool.
• 2:53:54
  Speaker 3: Right? It's all very compelling. I think we should wrap
• 2:53:59
  Speaker 3: this up. But the film's excellent.
• 2:54:01
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 2:54:01
  Speaker 3: Congratulations. Thank you. You could tell it took a tremendous
• 2:54:04
  Speaker 3: amount of effort. And I could tell by watching you
• 2:54:07
  Speaker 3: watch it when we watched it together that it had
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 3: an insane impact on you. It really did. And you
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 3: had already seen it before. I saw it with you.
• 2:54:14
  Speaker 3: So you're just seeing it again. It's just like it's bonkers.
• 2:54:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It really affected me. And is there anything else
• 2:54:25
  Speaker 1: you want to say? There's a couple things I want
• 2:54:27
  Speaker 1: to bring up.
• 2:54:27
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:54:30
  Speaker 1: Just because I've heard stuff Luigi has told me. People
• 2:54:33
  Speaker 1: think that I make millions of dollars off of this stuff.
• 2:54:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 2:54:39
  Speaker 1: And I don't. I would love to sign on to
• 2:54:41
  Speaker 1: the millions of dollars program. You know, Jeremy made his movie,
• 2:54:47
  Speaker 1: and I didn't get a cent from Jeremy's movie.
• 2:54:49
  Speaker 4: I said, anything you make, give to George.
• 2:54:53
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:54:54
  Speaker 4: Luigi has spent millions of dollars of his own money, literally, right?
• 2:54:59
  Speaker 3: Literally.
• 2:55:00
  Speaker 1: You know, making this stuff. And I can't see how
• 2:55:03
  Speaker 1: he's ever going to make the money back. If he does,
• 2:55:06
  Speaker 1: that's awesome.
• 2:55:06
  Speaker 5: I drive a 1980-something.
• 2:55:07
  Speaker 1: Not a 1980. You drive a 2000... No, a 2018
• 2:55:17
  Speaker 1: Chevy Bolt electric car. I mean, it's a car you'd
• 2:55:21
  Speaker 1: buy for your teenage daughter. It's embarrassing to drive. It
• 2:55:25
  Speaker 1: cost me $ 18, 000. You know, my house on the 10
• 2:55:29
  Speaker 1: acres costs $ 450, 000. And, you know, back when I got it,
• 2:55:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I work six to seven days a week
• 2:55:38
  Speaker 1: at United Nuclear, my business. I mean, if there's Anyone
• 2:55:42
  Speaker 1: that wants to give me millions of dollars, please contact
• 2:55:46
  Speaker 1: me immediately because I would like to retire. But no,
• 2:55:50
  Speaker 1: I don't make millions of dollars off this stuff. And
• 2:55:56
  Speaker 1: my wife and I do fine. We grow our food
• 2:55:59
  Speaker 1: in our greenhouse, and we live in our little place
• 2:56:01
  Speaker 1: up in the mountains, and that's it. But this is
• 2:56:06
  Speaker 1: Luigi's thing. That's why he's here.
• 2:56:09
  Speaker 3: I think the film's going to be very successful, and
• 2:56:10
  Speaker 3: I think you're probably going to make money off of it.
• 2:56:12
  Speaker 1: At least I'm hoping.
• 2:56:13
  Speaker 3: No, he'll make money off of it.
• 2:56:15
  Speaker 5: Well, you'll make money off of it. Thank you, Joe.
• 2:56:19
  Speaker 3: I think we should wrap it up. Thank you very much, Luigi.
• 2:56:21
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Joe. You knocked it out of the park.
• 2:56:23
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 2:56:23
  Speaker 3: It's fantastic.
• 2:56:24
  Speaker 5: Bob.
• 2:56:25
  Speaker 3: Great to see you again, as always.
• 2:56:26
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry I had to pee so much.
• 2:56:28
  Speaker 3: That's okay. It's understandable. It's understandable. And, again, the film.
• 2:56:35
  Speaker 3: Let's show it on the screen, Jamie, so people can
• 2:56:38
  Speaker 3: know where they can see it, when it's available. Yeah.
• 2:56:42
  Speaker 5: It's available, actually, as of right now.
• 2:56:45
  Speaker 3: Let's play the trailer. We'll end it.
• 2:56:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do that.
• 2:56:48
  Speaker 3: S4, The Bob Lazar Story. We'll end it with a trailer.
• 2:56:53
  Speaker 4: It's on Amazon and wearenotalone.com.
• 2:57:15
  Speaker 2: Physical evidence now exists, which proves that there is life elsewhere,
• 2:57:18
  Speaker 2: and at least one form of that life has been here.
• 2:57:24
  Speaker 2: As of 1989, that evidence was in the custody of
• 2:57:27
  Speaker 2: the United States government. Between December of 1988 and April
• 2:57:32
  Speaker 2: of 1989, I worked as a senior staff physicist in
• 2:57:35
  Speaker 2: what has to be the most secret project in history.
• 2:57:40
  Speaker 2: My job in this program was to be part of
• 2:57:42
  Speaker 2: a back engineering team. This particular disc appeared to be
• 2:57:48
  Speaker 2: in excellent condition, and because of its sleek appearance, I
• 2:57:51
  Speaker 2: nicknamed it the Sport Model. The goal in this program
• 2:57:56
  Speaker 2: was to see if the technology of the disc could
• 2:57:59
  Speaker 2: be duplicated with earth materials. To start up the reactor,
• 2:58:03
  Speaker 2: of course, we need some element 115. In fact, you
• 2:58:07
  Speaker 2: need 223 grams machined into a wedge like this. The
• 2:58:13
  Speaker 2: program out at S4 consisted of three projects, Project Galileo,
• 2:58:17
  Speaker 2: Project Sidekick, and Project Looking Glass. The file on top
• 2:58:21
  Speaker 2: was Project Galileo, and as it turned out, that's the
• 2:58:24
  Speaker 2: project that I was part of. And that clearly referred
• 2:58:30
  Speaker 2: to reverse engineering a recovered alien spacecraft. just cannot be
• 2:58:39
  Speaker 2: a secret from anyone, not just the American people, but
• 2:58:42
  Speaker 2: the rest of the world.
• 2:58:48
  Speaker 3: All this stuff is something that happened to him. It's
• 2:58:51
  Speaker 3: not who he is.
• 2:58:53
  Speaker 1: They're doing everything they can to keep this information secret.
• 2:59:03
  Speaker 3: That's empirical evidence. I saw a craft to do that,
• 2:59:06
  Speaker 3: thanks to him. Now this story spills.
• 2:59:10
  Speaker 1: And the world changes. Black Panther.