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Ep. 557: Overcoming Errant Shots, Buck Fever, and Bad Luck with Terry Drury‬ · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the
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  Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan,
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  Speaker 1: and this week on the show, I'm joined by Terry
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  Speaker 1: Drewy to discuss his year's long journey dealing with buck fever,
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  Speaker 1: target panic, and arrant shots and how he's overcome these
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  Speaker 1: challenges to find deer hunting success. All right, welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Life,
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  Speaker 1: and today we are wrapping up shooting month all July,
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  Speaker 1: we've been talking about how to become a more accurate
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  Speaker 1: and effective shot at deer, so that or whatever year
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  Speaker 1: this is that you're listening to, can be your best
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  Speaker 1: shooting year at her At least that's my goal for myself.
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  Speaker 1: I want this year to be my best shooting year ever.
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  Speaker 1: I want good, clean, perfect shots. I don't want any questions.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know exactly what happened. I want to
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  Speaker 1: know I was in control and that I put that
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  Speaker 1: arrow or that bullet where it's got to be. That's
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  Speaker 1: my goal. And so over these past few weeks, I've
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  Speaker 1: been talking all sorts of folks about how they do that.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the very best out there, some of the
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  Speaker 1: best Archer's, best gun hunters, best bow hunters, folks like
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Chamberlayne, Spencer new Hearth, Jordan's Siller's, Randy Almer, and
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  Speaker 1: this some really good stuff from guys who get it done.
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  Speaker 1: But I also thought it could be useful to learn
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  Speaker 1: and to hear from someone who has struggled, right because
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  Speaker 1: I struggle. I bet you've had struggles to whether that
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  Speaker 1: be with target panic or buck fever or whatever way
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  Speaker 1: you're shooting, mishaps show up. I'm sure you've had something happened.
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  Speaker 1: How do we deal with that? How do we deal
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  Speaker 1: with the tough times? How do we deal with the
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  Speaker 1: pressure and anxiety that comes from having a few bad
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  Speaker 1: hits or a miss? How do we move on from
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  Speaker 1: that and get better? I wanted to talk to someone
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  Speaker 1: who has really dealt with that and dealt with it
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  Speaker 1: in a big way and in a public way. And
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  Speaker 1: the best person I could think of was Mr Terry Drewy,
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  Speaker 1: one of the co founders of Drewy Outdoors, an incredible
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  Speaker 1: deer hunter, a great guy, but someone who has, you know, publicly,
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  Speaker 1: you know, shown some of his mishaps. He's had plenty
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  Speaker 1: of misses and bad hits and things like that along
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  Speaker 1: the way that we've all been able to see on
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  Speaker 1: there are many many different shows and videos and films
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  Speaker 1: over the years. He's someone who has had to publicly
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  Speaker 1: deal with that and figure it out and get better
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  Speaker 1: and keep going. And I think there's a lot we
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  Speaker 1: can learn from him. And that's what we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: discuss today. And Terry was gracious enough find enough open
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  Speaker 1: enough to be willing to discuss this, Discuss some tough times,
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  Speaker 1: discuss some tough situations and how he's pushed through it
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  Speaker 1: and how he's gotten better. So if you have ever
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  Speaker 1: dealt with target, panic, with bad shots, with buck fever,
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  Speaker 1: with I don't know what you want to call it,
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  Speaker 1: but if you've ever struggled, I think you'll be able
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  Speaker 1: to relate to Terry, and I think you'll be able
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  Speaker 1: to learn something from this one. So I'm excited for
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  Speaker 1: you to listen, and I really do help that's going
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  Speaker 1: to help you out. So that's what's in store. I
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  Speaker 1: want to give you a couple of quick reminders though,
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  Speaker 1: before we get into this. Uh Number one, remember I
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  Speaker 1: told you guys last week that I'm coming up with weekly, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: monthly gear recommendations from the Meat Eater store. I've got
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  Speaker 1: those right now if you head to the wired hunt website.
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  Speaker 1: You can just go to wired hunt dot com or
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  Speaker 1: go to the meat Eater and navigate to the wired
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  Speaker 1: Hunt website. There you'll see my four shooting month recommendations.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to recommended target, recommended shirt for summertime shooting
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  Speaker 1: and scouting, all that, uh, recommended shooting bags if you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be trying to sit in and shoot with your
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  Speaker 1: firearm here soon. And then finally, the Vortex Impact one
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  Speaker 1: thousand is fift off on our store right now. That
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  Speaker 1: was one of my recommendations too, so be sure to
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  Speaker 1: check that out. I'll continue throwing up some different ideas
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  Speaker 1: over the course of the season, uh, something that might
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  Speaker 1: be helpful if you're in the market for any of
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  Speaker 1: those things. So that is one reminder. The other thing
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  Speaker 1: heading over to Instagram and follow me at wired hunt
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  Speaker 1: if you want to see what's going on in my world.
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  Speaker 1: Because I really start doubling down on preparations for this
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  Speaker 1: upcoming white tail season and I've even started TikTok. I
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  Speaker 1: don't really like TikTok, but you've got to be there,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna be posting more on there as well.
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  Speaker 1: So if you are a TikTok or look for Mark
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  Speaker 1: Kenyon on there and you will be able to follow
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  Speaker 1: along with some of my video exploits that I'll be
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  Speaker 1: sharing this coming season two. So holy smokes, guys, it's
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  Speaker 1: almost the end of summer hunting seasons almost here. So
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  Speaker 1: I really hope you're out there shooting, and I hope
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  Speaker 1: my conversation with Terry Drewy can help you as you
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  Speaker 1: do that. So without further ado, let's get into it
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  Speaker 1: all right with me back on the show. Is Mr
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  Speaker 1: Terry Drewy himself. Terry, welcome back. Well, thank you, Mark.
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  Speaker 1: I always enjoy this. You and I don't get to
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  Speaker 1: catch up near often enough, so I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 1: speaking to you about a number of different topics. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: me too, I really appreciate it. I always enjoy our
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  Speaker 1: our catchups as well, and and this one, Terry is
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  Speaker 1: going to be I think, particularly helpful, but also a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a doozy, So I hope you'll I
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  Speaker 1: hope you'll bear with me on this topic today. But
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  Speaker 1: it's a It's a personal topic for me as well,
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  Speaker 1: because we're we're in the midst of shooting month here
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast, and I'm doing this because I have
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  Speaker 1: kind of been going through a rough shooting spell myself,
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  Speaker 1: had one of my worst seasons last year that I
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  Speaker 1: can remember umber um and have kind of shared the
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  Speaker 1: publicly what's gone right, what's gone wrong, And coming out
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  Speaker 1: of a number of misses and bad hits last year,
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  Speaker 1: I decided that my really, my main goal in two
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  Speaker 1: is just shooting, just getting better. Like I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't care if I shoot three bucks or a big
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  Speaker 1: buck or that one buck. I don't care about any
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  Speaker 1: of that this year. I just want to have good shots.
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  Speaker 1: If that means I shoot one dough perfectly, that would
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  Speaker 1: be a success for me this year. So that is
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  Speaker 1: why this whole month has been focused on this topic
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully helping all other people in the same boat.
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  Speaker 1: And I got to thinking the way we should wrap
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  Speaker 1: this series is with someone who has struggled with the
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  Speaker 1: same things that I've struggled with and and worked through it.
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  Speaker 1: And you tell me if I'm right about this, But
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  Speaker 1: from stuff I've seen in her, seems like you've had
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  Speaker 1: your share struggles when it comes to shooting too. Is
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  Speaker 1: that Is that an accurate assessment? You know why it
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  Speaker 1: appears that way because they know all of my mishaps,
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  Speaker 1: but they never show any marks that there's some truth
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  Speaker 1: in that. Really. But with that being said, absolutely, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and the way I look at that mark's I've never
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  Speaker 1: ever been been embarrassed to say, hey, I met an
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  Speaker 1: errand shot, or I had a difficulty making a shot,
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. Because if you've hunted any
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  Speaker 1: length of time at all, you're gonna go through some
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  Speaker 1: of those ups and downs. Not everyone is perfect. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of guys out there that
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  Speaker 1: think they're perfect, but it don't always work like that.
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  Speaker 1: And karma. Karma is a bit if you will because
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  Speaker 1: it will it will come back and bite you in
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  Speaker 1: the tail end. We've had those ups and downs and
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  Speaker 1: just about time you think you're getting really, really good
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  Speaker 1: at it, mother nature has a way of stumbling you.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, the deer doesn't always read the script.
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  Speaker 1: So we we try to always show what's happening in
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  Speaker 1: real life, and we want to make sure that everybody
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  Speaker 1: understands that it's easy to critique someone else, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to sit back at an armchair and say, man, that
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  Speaker 1: was a bad shot, or he made an errand shot.
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  Speaker 1: But it's unless you're in that position and you're standing
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  Speaker 1: in those boots. Sometimes it's it's easy to critique, it's
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  Speaker 1: another thing to make make that shot. And and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not embarrassed at all to say we we've had our
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  Speaker 1: our difficulties, We've had our ups and downs. Yeah, was
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  Speaker 1: it a was it a like what am I trying
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  Speaker 1: to say here? What was it tempting to hide some
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  Speaker 1: of those things and to not show them at all?
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  Speaker 1: And then did you make like an active decision to say,
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  Speaker 1: you know what. I know people are gonna give me
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  Speaker 1: a hard time about this. I know I'm gonna get
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  Speaker 1: some crap, but I think it's actually helpful for people.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, was that a thing that you had to
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  Speaker 1: talk about and think about over the years. Absolutely. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when you're younger and you're just getting into the sport
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  Speaker 1: and and you're in front of a camera, there's sometimes
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  Speaker 1: there's an added pressure on you that you don't you
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  Speaker 1: don't even think about. And if you're by yourself and
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  Speaker 1: you're hunting in the timber and you you launch an
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  Speaker 1: arrow and you missed the deer, you shoot under his
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  Speaker 1: belly or over his back. Nobody knows about it, nor
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  Speaker 1: do you have to tell anyone. With us, everybody knows
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  Speaker 1: about it and there is no hiding. So yes, there
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  Speaker 1: were times where you didn't want to show it because
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  Speaker 1: your pride and your ego and everything gets in the way,
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  Speaker 1: particularly if you're an archer. I mean, that's the pride
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  Speaker 1: is making the perfect shot each and every time, and
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  Speaker 1: from an ethical standpoint, that's exactly why we're there. We're
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  Speaker 1: wanting to make that double long or heart shot each
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  Speaker 1: and every shot. You want, you know, pinpoint accuracy. But
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't always happen that way. And you know, whether
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  Speaker 1: you drop your bow arm, or whether you anchored incorrectly,
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  Speaker 1: or whether your your stance wasn't correct. Some of those
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  Speaker 1: things happened in the heat of the moment, and the
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  Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is share it with
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  Speaker 1: somebody in and show that you're not as good as
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  Speaker 1: you would like to be. And will your pride really
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  Speaker 1: really gets hurt, It gets bruised, your ego gets bruised
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  Speaker 1: early on, and then after you've been through the motions
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  Speaker 1: for many many decades, you're okay with saying, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I've killed several hundred deer and I've made great shots
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  Speaker 1: on a lot of them. But once in a while,
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  Speaker 1: things happen, and you've got to share it so that
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  Speaker 1: other people can understand they're not alone, They're not the
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  Speaker 1: only one that has issues and has problems, uh, and
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  Speaker 1: being willing to share and hopefully someone else will learn
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  Speaker 1: from your mistakes. That's really what we've always been all about,
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  Speaker 1: was making sure that somebody else could learn by one
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  Speaker 1: of our mistakes. Yeah. So, speaking of bruised pride, and
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  Speaker 1: I hate to do this, but can we dig up
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  Speaker 1: some skeletons from the closet or some long lost memories
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  Speaker 1: that you may be shoved away and hoped not to
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  Speaker 1: have to think back on, Terry? Is there is there
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  Speaker 1: any errant's shot, any mistake, any situation like this that
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  Speaker 1: stands out over your decades hunting as the most painful,
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  Speaker 1: or the most eye opening, or the most impactful in
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  Speaker 1: some way? Was Is there any one story that you
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  Speaker 1: can think back on that sticks out to you still
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  Speaker 1: for any one reason or another how much time you've
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  Speaker 1: got there. There are a couple Mr. Christmas was one
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  Speaker 1: in particular that was a dear that I was really
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  Speaker 1: really really hunting for several years, and he was a
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  Speaker 1: big deer. He was a two hundy and and UH
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  Speaker 1: shot over him and just didn't get him dead. Rushed
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  Speaker 1: the shot. A doe was uh in front of him,
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  Speaker 1: and she squirted on past this, you know, and as
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  Speaker 1: she squirted on past, and he squirted on past and
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  Speaker 1: stopping him and then not settling in and rushing the
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  Speaker 1: shot just cost me a really really big deer. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And within five minutes after that, I killed another really
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  Speaker 1: nice dear that was following him. But that wasn't exactly
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  Speaker 1: the script, you know. I wanted to kill Mr Christmas
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  Speaker 1: and had dedicated a lot of years to killing him,
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  Speaker 1: and so that was that was the maybe the first
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  Speaker 1: and foremost that comes to mind. Another one was a giant,
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  Speaker 1: giant eight point over in Pike County, Illinois that a
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  Speaker 1: neighbor ended up killing the following year. And I think
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  Speaker 1: he was in the one eighties as a as an
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  Speaker 1: eight the year that I steam, I think he was
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  Speaker 1: in the high sixties, low seventies. But there too, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I knew who he was and got rattled and shot
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  Speaker 1: over the top of him body. I didn't settle in
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  Speaker 1: like I should have rushed the shot. You always feel
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  Speaker 1: like there's not enough time to settle and oftentimes there
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  Speaker 1: isn't much time to settle it depending on where you're
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  Speaker 1: hunting and how skittish the deer are and whether they
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  Speaker 1: typically moved during daylight or not. Uh, some of those
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  Speaker 1: elements all factor into it, and particularly if it's a
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  Speaker 1: deer you know, when you're after mantle man, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to settle in sometimes. Yeah. So, if you were
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  Speaker 1: to look back over your your journey as a deer
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  Speaker 1: hunter and think through all the ups and downs, is
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  Speaker 1: there a period of your hunting career where you had
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  Speaker 1: the worst struggles? Like, is there a period like this
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  Speaker 1: was your low point? Where you had a year or
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  Speaker 1: five years or a chunk of time where you really
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  Speaker 1: struggled and then you came out of it or you've
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  Speaker 1: improved a little bit. Does any kind of time period
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  Speaker 1: stand out is like, oh, this was the worst of
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  Speaker 1: this and there was I guess what I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: get at as I'm curious to understand that what did
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  Speaker 1: the lowest point look like? For you? Like, what what
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  Speaker 1: did those struggles look like what was going wrong? Um,
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  Speaker 1: how did you diagnose that low point? If there is,
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  Speaker 1: maybe there's just spreadic little bits over the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it was for you, But does
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  Speaker 1: anything like that stand out? Oh yeah, I lasted about
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  Speaker 1: a decade if I remember you, No, it was I
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  Speaker 1: went through one season that I can remember that what
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  Speaker 1: I had target panic so bad, and and it was
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  Speaker 1: from shooting a lot. I guess. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: you can get target panic after you've been shooting for
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  Speaker 1: twenty five or thirty years, but I did. I went
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  Speaker 1: through a season and man, oh man, it was. It
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  Speaker 1: was the dold rooms. I just could not get out
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  Speaker 1: of it. And uh, you know, I talked to, uh
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  Speaker 1: some of the best archers in the world and different
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  Speaker 1: professionals on how do you get over or get rid
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  Speaker 1: of target panic? And it's a mind I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it is. There's some trigger in your brain. But
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  Speaker 1: the moment that that that target came in to view, man,
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  Speaker 1: you were launching the trigger and it just everybody tried
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  Speaker 1: different you know, tried different releases and this, that and
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  Speaker 1: the other, and and uh, I finally ended up shooting
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  Speaker 1: my way through it. But boy, oh boy, I had
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  Speaker 1: to shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot.
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  Speaker 1: And I was I'm so hardheaded, number one, and and
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  Speaker 1: determined that I wasn't about to let it get the
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  Speaker 1: best of me. And I just kept kept plugging and
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  Speaker 1: kept shooting and grinding and scratching and clawing. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking thousands of rounds through bow. Now. It took me
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  Speaker 1: a while to get over it, but I finally get
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  Speaker 1: through it. And I don't know what causes it, nor
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  Speaker 1: do I have any resolution for anyone in the future,
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  Speaker 1: because it's something that everybody's got a different way to
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  Speaker 1: get over it and get past it. And uh, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what works for any individual that that I
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  Speaker 1: can relate to and say, hey, here's here's how to
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  Speaker 1: get over it. There's just no answer. But the only
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  Speaker 1: way I can tell you I literally shot until I
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  Speaker 1: wore myself out, and I shot my way through it.
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  Speaker 1: And was that just shooting in the backyard or did
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  Speaker 1: you do any higher stakes? I mean, I know one
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  Speaker 1: thing people talk about is try to practice more and
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  Speaker 1: shoot more in high pressure situations, so you're at least
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  Speaker 1: learning how to better handle that. I mean, was there
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  Speaker 1: some element to that. Did you shoot with friends, you
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  Speaker 1: shoot tournaments? Did you Was it just shooting more deer
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  Speaker 1: and just shooting lots of doughs like I know you
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  Speaker 1: do on your Missouri farm. Does that help at all?
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  Speaker 1: This majority of it was during the summer months, so
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  Speaker 1: I was I was shooting a lot of flat footed
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  Speaker 1: there in the driveway, and I have a you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had a tree stand on the side of a tree,
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  Speaker 1: and I'd be three foot up, six foot up whatever
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  Speaker 1: and shooting out of a tree stand. Sometimes I'd get to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get the targets out and have the deer
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  Speaker 1: in the yard. And I went through all that. I
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  Speaker 1: tried it all. I tried all those methods, and there
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  Speaker 1: wasn't much helping, to be quite honest, But I ended
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  Speaker 1: up just plugging at a target and I just continued plugging.
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  Speaker 1: One of the one of the the guys, one of
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  Speaker 1: the professional archer, said, hey, shooting a pipe played a
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  Speaker 1: bigger shoot a bigger target. Don't try and shoot at
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  Speaker 1: something so small. And then another guy said shoot with
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  Speaker 1: your eyes closed, and this, that and the other. So
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  Speaker 1: I did. I did all that, but at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, I just kept shooting and kept shooting
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  Speaker 1: and kept shooting. Most of that was flat footed on
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  Speaker 1: the driveway until I finally worked my way through it.
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  Speaker 1: And it was just a matter of settling in and
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  Speaker 1: not not never putting my finger on the trigger, if
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  Speaker 1: you will. A lot of guys use back tension and
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  Speaker 1: so and so forth, but they say that that will
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  Speaker 1: cure it as well, or some release. But I just
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  Speaker 1: I would draw and hold on and just look at
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  Speaker 1: the target and not and not not punch it, not
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  Speaker 1: ever released the trigger, never released the arrow. And I
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: just did that over and over and over one thousand one,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: one thousand two, one thousand three, you know, and those
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: little tricks. But boh boy, it was painful. Yeah, I
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I can relate. I mean, that's that's been exactly my issue.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: As soon as that pins on the vital area, I
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: it's it's gone. The arrow has just been off. I've
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I've had a hard time holding on and taking those
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: extra seconds. So I'm dealing with the same thing right
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: now myself and thinking, I think it's getting better with
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: my new regimen this year. But you know that's all
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: going to be tested here in a month or two
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: once the season starts. So what s Mark? I will
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: say that shooting those doughes makes a big, big difference.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I I will admit, and I shoot a lot of them,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: trust me. But it does help. It really does help
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: if you get a dough at ten or twelve yards,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: or you get one of fifteen yards and you know
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: she's dead when she walks in there, and you can
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: settle in uh and take your time, or just come
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to full draw and don't shoot. That's that's another option.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: It's come to full draw and just do not shoot.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Never never shoot the deer, release or lay back, you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: let back down. Those those little tricks actually work about
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: as well as anything, to be quite honest. Um So,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: speaking of that, then when you have a situation like that,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a doze coming in, or any deer for that matter,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: what does your shop process look like now now that
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you've you've been practicing to get through that target pant,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: to be able to hold onto the arrow without releasing
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it too soon? Like? What does your whole process from
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: beginning to end look like? As as a deer's coming
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: into range and you realize in your head, okay, I'm
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: gonna shoot this deer. What what are the steps that
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: follow my my primary number one focus is either broad
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: or quartering away. So I'm gonna wait and wait and
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: wait and wait until she gives you the shot. And
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Mark Mark was really Mark Drury was the one that
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: uh instilled this in both of us many many years ago.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And that's not coming to full draw until you're ready
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: to shoot him. So that's a big, big plus. When
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: she gets either broad or quartering away, meaning they're coming
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: right at you, just let them walk past you or
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: let him get broadside and then come to full draw.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I see it all the time where guys get hung
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: out to dry and they take a quartering two shot
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: because they draw too soon. And I'd say that's probably
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the number one mistake that most people make, and we
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: used to make it as well. I did it many
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: many many decades ago, where I I just couldn't wait
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to get full draw. Well, the trick is not coming
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to full draw until you're ready to kill them. And
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you're ready to kill them when you know they're in
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: your round house and you go, okay, dead, Well, what
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: is that? That's maybe thirty yards for some guys, might
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: be forty yards for others, maybe twenty yards. The older
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I get in the less pound edge I pull. I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: want that circle to be pretty dog on, small, pretty tight,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and when they get into under twenty, you go okay dead.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: So now then the next step is go, okay, I'm
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: gonna wait till they're broad and you know, when they're feeding,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: if it's early season or late season, they're feeding, they're
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: going to give you a shot. You just have to
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: be patient. And sometimes it takes a little while before
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: they you know, their noses down and they're eating clover
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: or or they might be in soybeans or whatever, but
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: they're eventually going to give you a great shot a broadside.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: So there then the patients comes into effect. And I'm
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: always looking forward. If I'm in the timber, I'm looking
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: ahead at these openings. Where is my next window? Where
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: can I draw? And then where am I gonna shoot?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: You know, So there's a whole regiment of things that
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: you go through in your brain, But in the timber,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I'm always looking ahead as to where I'm gonna kill
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the deer. At Okay, now that deer steps into that
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: lane or it stops, gives you that broadside, and now
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you're gonna draw your bow. Can you can you walk
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: me through what goes through your mind, as the as
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the bow is drawn, as you settle in, as you
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: do all the different things. Could you walk me through
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: each piece of that well. Number One, I draw flat,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: meaning I draw a level to make sure because I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: practice on a flat surface typically, and then I'll get
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to an elevated position. But typically I draw a level
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: so that my anchor is correct. I try to always
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: draw my bow flat and level so that I anchor
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: at the exact same spot. And then when I've been
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I try to bend at the waist, which you're supposed
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to do, but I don't change my anchor point. That
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: always stays in the exact same spot, and and you
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: kind of know the yard if once they get within twenty,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I always like to say, hey, I can shoot out
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the thirty with top pin. If you're only shooting one
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: and a lot of guys you're using a h k
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: S where they have to dial them in. But for
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the most part, these new bows nowadays shoot relatively flat
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: if you're pulling any poundage at all, and most guys
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: can shoot one pin at the thirty yards, so if
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: they get under thirty, you're usually pretty dog on safe
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: in your you know, in your positioning. So once they
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: get in that roundhouse, I make sure that I draw level,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I make sure that I anchor correctly, I've bend at
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the waist, and then you just try to settle that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: pin the best you can. Behind the shoulder are depending
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: on a high long low long, depending on how close
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: they are. You're looking at that window, and then I'm
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: always looking at the off leg always, because the off
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: leg will tell you if they're slightly quattering too, or
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: they're slightly quattering away. Sometimes you get lost in the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: shuffle or you can't see the farest through the trees
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: because your eyes roll back in your head, particularly if
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: if it's a big buck with a big rack sitting
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: on his head and you lose track of where his
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: shoulders are at. So watch for that off shoulder in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: lieu of the on shoulder, and that will always tell
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: you if he's quartering two or quartering away. What about
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I know you mentioned, you know, working through target panic
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and learning to hold on without firing the arrow, But
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: what about just simple buck fever and nerves? Uh? Does that?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Do you? Do? You still get impacted with that kind
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of thing? Absolutely? Absolutely? I get his rattled on a
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: dough an adult dough as I do a buck. I
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: don't know why, but I just do because I know
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna killer. I guess number one. But I still
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: get extremely nervous on on an adult dough and in
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the same way with a buck, And I guess the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: day I lose, that will be the day I quit. Uh,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: we're a little better now, and the fact with with
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: you know, trail cameras and the way they've advanced. Obviously,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know that we've ever shot a deer here
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: on my farm that we didn't know. But sometimes if
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you know him, it's a little worse than if you
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: didn't know him. You know, you get you still get rattled,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: particularly if you if you had an idea who it
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was and you've been hunting four or five years and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you're finally going to get an opportunity. The last thing
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you want to do is screw it up. So that's
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: always that's always an issue. You know, I'm gonna I'm
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: gonna back up one second on a deer. You you
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: mentioned a deer and I didn't. I didn't release an
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: arrow at this year, but it's one I will never
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: ever get back. And it was a monster up on
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Marx Farm in Iowa. Was both hunting up there and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: uh it was baby G and H and deer ended
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: up the neighbor ended up killing him. But I came
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to full draw on him and I couldn't at that time.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't have lighted pins. I couldn't see, and uh,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I got within like thirty and then he got seven
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and then and to make a long story sharp, I
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: came to full draw twice on him. I came to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: full draw, I couldn't see my pins. I let down.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I pulled back again, trying to find and I took
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: my pins above his back, trying to come back down
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and see his vitals. And I just couldn't do it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I couldn't see him, and it wasn't all that dark,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: but it was dark enough. I could not put a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: pin on him exactly for yardage and so on and
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: so forth, so I had to let him walk away.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I never released an arrow, but that was one I
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: would I would love to have back. Now, when you
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: look at that one, though, do you what's your takeaway
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: lesson from that? Do you look at that as like, oh,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that was I should have found a way to take
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that shot, or as part of you glad you didn't
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: because it might have resulted in a bad shot because
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of the bad lighting. Well, I will say this, it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the perils of filming and having having a cameraman with you.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: We weren't communicating real well, and I wasn't certain whether
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: he could see him and when he was on him,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and this, that and the other. So I was literally
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: turning around and say, Ryan, you got to tell me,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: are you on this deer or not? So I was
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: more worried about the footage, and I should have been
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: worried about killing the deer in all reality, So I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: kind of let him get in and get out by
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: worrying whether or not he had the footage of the deer.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Come to find out, he had him full frame. But
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I wish he'd have said something like I'm on him.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So if I'd have known that he was on him,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the outcome may have been different. But I can't say
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that for sure. But um, I can't help but think
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: if all I was worried about was killing him, a
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: pretty good chance i'd have got an arrow in him,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you know, because I would have just concentrated a little harder.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I've had a little more time to get the pins
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: above his back and bring it down into his vitals,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and this, that and the other thing. But there was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: more to it than just him. It brings up, though,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: an important topic. I think, at least something I've found
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and you alluded to this already, but just how much
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: build up there is to these encounters and so much
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: pressure we put on ourselves because we want this deer
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: so bad, whether it's because we've hunted this same buck
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: for four years or just because we we have worked
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: so hard this summer and fall and we've sat fifteen
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: straight days or whatever it is. When that opportunity finally
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: does come, it seems it seems like life or death
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: for you, like you have to get this shot. At
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: least that's how it felt for me. I've had moments
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: where it seems like I've given every single ounce of energy, blood, sweat,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and tears to get to this moment, and then here's
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: this buck coming in. And you know, there's one story
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I can think of from two or three years ago,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: maybe two years ago, where the buck had have been
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: after for three years. You know, finally it's coming into
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: bow range, but he's back in this brush and I'm
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: trying to find some little hole, and I've realized that
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: if I kind of half kneeled down, there's like a
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: softball size hole, and I'm leaning over and bending down,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and in that crazy high stakes moment, it seemed to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: my head that I had to try. And then you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: right afterwards, I forced this horrible shop and missed the buck.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: And then after that you realize, you know, what a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: stupid thing to do. Um, why would I have done that?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: It could have been worse. I could have wounded him,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I could have never found him. Um, so at least
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I missed. But have you ever had situations like that too,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: where you force something because of that high pressure and
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: then you realize, wow, you know it would have been
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: so much better to just hold onto that arrow because
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: of how much how how bad end up getting or
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: how much worse it could have been. Or is that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a thing you've dealt with too? Yes? And I would
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: say that earlier in our career we probably forced some
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: errand shots that we should never have taken. And I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: think some of that comes with experience, Meaning if you're
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: a novice archer, it's easy to make those mistakes and
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: wish that you had and you always you can never
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: get the arrow back. But boy, when you when you
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: let it go, you go, oh my god, why did
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I do? Why did I shoot there? That was so stupid.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And I think as an ovous hunter, it's easy to
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: do that, and experience will will sometimes rectify that or
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: cure that. But it takes a lot of archery shots
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and a lot of deer on the ground to get
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to get past that, and experience sure makes a difference.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But yes, in answer to question, we certainly have done that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: The big deer that I was talking about, while it
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: goes to clarify that number one, I was hunting on
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Mark's farm and I knew the deer. I knew exactly
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: who he was, and I knew how big he was,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and I just didn't want to screw it up or anything.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that if I released an
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: arrow at this year, he was dead. That was my
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: number one concern was making sure that I killed him.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: And you know, when we when I wanted to talk
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: to the camera guy and I said, if you're on him,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you need to tell me or you on him or not.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I was turned around looking at him, and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I let you get in on us. Make a scrape,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and the footage is really good. I just wish he'd
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: communicated a little sooner, and and I wasn't about to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: screw it up. So I literally let him, let him
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: get his butt to me, and just walk dead away.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And I never never released an arrow, But that was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: one that I wish I could have back, but one
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I can say I was proud I didn't. I didn't
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: mess it up either. You know. Yeah, that seems like,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: like you said, one of those kinds of realizations that
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: probably comes with time and experience, that realizing sometimes the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: best shot is the shot never taken. Um. It's a
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: hard pill to swallow, I imagine in a lot of cases,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: but sometimes it's the right call. Um I had. I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: had one guy, a buddy of ours, it just happens
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to be a PBR bull rider, and he called me
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and literally tongue lashed me over the phone, saying, what
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: were you thinking? Why didn't you shoot that deer? You know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: after he saw the footage, he is really all over me.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So I probably should have. I could have. I still
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: should have maybe, But you know, I don't know if
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Kind of thing. So so back to being you know
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: in that shot sequence, Um you mentioned you still get rattled,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you still get excited. Um, what do you do now
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to try to control that? How do you try to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: control buck fever? Like in the field? Is it talking
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to yourself breathing? Is there is there any little trick
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: or method you have to try to center yourself, calm yourself,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: get control of yourself in that moment. I truly believe
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: at late season in early season, those two where you
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: know the deer are going to be moving a little
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: bit slower kind of helps that process because you've got
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: a little more time to lay an eyeball on them,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: You've got a little more time to process the shot,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: You've got a little more time to settle in when
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: they're not running rampant through the timber like you might
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: see during the rut. So I think given the time
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: to settle down and settle calm your nerves just a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: little bit, and breathe if you will. A lot of
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the baseball players all say that you've got to breathe.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: You know, Jim Tolmy one of the greatest home run
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: hinters of all time. It is tremendous at settling in
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and settling down and preparing for a shot. But he's
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: been on some of the biggest stages, you know, throughout
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: his career. And that's what majority of those guys will
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: tell you. It's it's just take time to breathe now
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: easier said than done. You might be breathing at five
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: beats a minute, you know. But and some guys may
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: never get over it. I've seen them all, And I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: mean we've watched some really really a good big buck
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: hunters that that can make that shot with nerves of
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: steel and ice water in your veins and then fall
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: apart after the shot, you know. So I wished I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: had that ability. I would much rather have ice water
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: in my veins and fall apart after the shot than
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: fall apart before the shot. Yeah, for sure. So when
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you when a shot goes bad for you now right,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I know, like you dealt with a series of really
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: really significant struggles, but I know stuff still has gone
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: wrong in more recent years. What's is there any common
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: um common factor nowadays? If, for example, I remember there's
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a hunt a few years ago that buck dangerous calling,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Is there any kind of thing you can point your
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: finger to now, like if something goes wrong. It's this
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: kind of thing these days. Is it random one off
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: things or is it a buck fever moments? Still, what
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: what's your situation today? I guess is what I'm getting at.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You know, that one's a really really good point, And
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I was hunting there too. I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: was hunting on Mark's farm and I was in a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: blind that I had never sat before, and I wasn't
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: comfortable sitting down or standing up. There was no in between,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: nor could I kneel down and get over the window.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: So there was one instance where everybody kind of you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: gives you a hard time about hunting out of a blind.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: It's not easy shooting through a window. It just isn't.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Anybody that thinks it is needs to cut a hole
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: in a in a cardboard box and try shooting through
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: it at different different positions. It just isn't that easy.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: So I wished i'd have been a little more prepared
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and went into that blind sooner and figured out how
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: high I needed to be or how low I needed
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to be. And it was partially from being my fault
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: for not being prepared. So I was in between. I
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: was crouching and you know, trying to make sure that
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't hit a window with a fletching or hit
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: it with your other thing you gotta worry about is
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: hitting it with your limbs, on your bow or your cam.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: And I was in a really really awkward position. I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: wish I could do that one over again as well.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: It was just uh, not being prepared and either standing up,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: sitting down, or kneeling down if there was no I
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: was in between all of that. I was crouched halfway
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: down and had a terrible anchor terrible anchor point. You
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: might draw a flat but when you're crouching halfway down
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and you're you know, it just wasn't I didn't feel good.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I should probably have never taken the shot. Yeah, it
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: looked like a tough situation. Um so, so then tell
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: me this, how do you handle the moments or in
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: some cases, the days after a bad situation like that?
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Because I know some people will miss a deer and
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: then you know, it breaks them and for days they're
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: so bummed out about it, or they hit a deer
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and they can't recover it and they want to they're
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: done for the year, or they're depressed for a week.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: How do you handle those situations, How do you get
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: yourself out of it? How do you get your head
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: right again? That's one of the toughest things on the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: planet as an archer. I'll be honest you and I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: don't know that you ever truly get over those because
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: we talked about pride and ego, and your your ego
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: is hurt, itself inflicted and the only person you could
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: blame is yourself. And man, oh man, those are really
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: really tough pills to swallow, and I don't know that
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you ever truly get over it. Here we are talking about,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the hunts that happened decades ago. So it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: it's one of those things you never quite get over.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: You always want to improve, and as an ethical archer
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: or an ethical firearms hunter, you want to make the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: perfect shot each and every time, and the last thing
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you want to do is injured deer. I mean, it's
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I I some of you just never
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: get over. But it's the old adage. You've got to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: get back on the horse and ride it. But you
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: tuck that away in your mind and you go, how
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: can I learn from it? How can I improve? How
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: can I be a better hunter? How can I be
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: a better shot? And what do I need to go through?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: What steps? What regimen do I need to go through
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to make sure that doesn't happen again? And that's the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: only or the best advice I can give is to say,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: get back on the horse and and play that that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: scenario over in your mind, over and over and over.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: How do I fix it? How can I get better? Yeah?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Do you have any and I guess filming helps with this,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: but have you have you learned anything or do you
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: have any process for kind of analyzing a shot, like
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: diagnosing what went wrong? Because that for me, it's always
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: been so hard to look back and try to identify,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: you know, where did I go wrong? Especially since in
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: many of these cases I guess, I guess I do
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: know where it went wrong because I was rushing and
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: rushing so much that I can't remember where the problem was.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: But but but for you, how do you go about
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: trying to analyze what happened? Here? Where is my mistake?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: How do I get better? Like? What does that look like?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: In the details? For you? You know, as readily available
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: as you can lay something down on your phone nowadays,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the best scenario you can possibly give yourself is to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: film yourself shooting out in your backyard and go through
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the motions and just see or have someone film you.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: But that is probably the best advice I can give.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And we do have the luxury of having a cameraman,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: uh so we can SlowMo and watch every single thing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't anchor correctly, or you know what I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: didn't Uh I didn't follow through, or oh I dropped
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: my bow arm. You know, oftentimes the deer so close
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: that you think it's a chip shot. First thing you
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: do is releasing. You're looking before the arrows barely out
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of the you know, at the riser, so it's easy
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: to drop your bo arm and not follow through. So
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously practice makes perfect. Pete Shepley with PSC
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: used to say, you know, that's an adage, he goes,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I like to say perfect practice makes perfect shooting. So
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: being able to analyze your shot out in your backyard
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: or on your driveway is one of the best ways
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: to analyze it and look at it in SloMo and say,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: dog on, I'm I'm really not following through or I'm
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: really not anchoring the same way that I should be
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: each and every time, or I'm dropping my ball arms
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: something terrible, you know. So I do believe that practice
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and practice perfect makes the right shot each and every time.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: But it's easy to say that it's a whole another
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: thing when you get in a tree stand and I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: think that training your body, that regiment that you go through,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you're gonna let some of that that instinctive shooting if
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: you will, because your your body is going to take
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: over that muscle memory. You know, if you do it
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: enough times and you're repetitious about it, and you do
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: it the exact same way over and over and over
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and over and over, in the heat of the moment,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: your body is gonna take over. Oftentimes, the last thing
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you want to do is pick up your bowl a
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: week before the season and go out there and try
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and shoot a deer. I mean, it takes months of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: practice so that your muscle memory takes over in the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: heat of the moment. Yeah, what does that perfect practice
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: look like for you? Like, what, what's the most important
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: things you're doing? How much? How often is there anything
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: unique that you add to that practice regiment to really
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: simulate real world scenarrows or anything that well. I kind
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: of touched on this briefly earlier before we went on
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: air here. But I'm a left handed shooter, but so
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I have to work two or three times harder than
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: everyone else to make a good shot. So no matter
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: how many millions of rounds I may put through a bow,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I'm never ever ever going to be a tremendous archer.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I just I'm not unless I unless I go back
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: to shooting right handed. I started forty years ago shooting
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: right handed, and I probably should have stayed that way
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: because I'm right eye dominant. But I played baseball, I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: played football, on golf and everything else I did left handed,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: and I right left handed, So I became a left
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: handed archer, and I shoot left handed. And I've never
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: ever shot a left handed gun. They're all right handed
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: guns the way they discharge if it's an automatic. But
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I've never ever shot a left handed firearms. But I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: shoot left handed. I right left handed. Everything I do
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: is a left handed So, to make a long story, shart,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I practiced two and three times longer harder than probably
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: everyone else has to because it's the wrong eyeball are
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the wrong set of hands, ever you want to look
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: at it. So I have that regiment that regiment that
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I go through is I try to make sure that
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that I draw a flat I'm trying to make sure
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that I anchor the exact same spot each and every time.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I try to make sure that I don't drop my
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: bow arm. And then I may start with some bigger,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: some bigger you know, maybe uh not great fruit, but
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: baseball size. Early season, I'll go plunk, you know, a
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: dozen arrows, you know, And I start out with a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: little bit bigger pattern in the beginning, you know, in
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: June and July, and then as the season gets closer,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: and I start one to two times a week, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: then and then I'll go to three times a week
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: in July, and then I start shooting every day in August,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: and then twice a day in the latter part of
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: August and September morning and evening. So I refine that shooting,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and I want that repetition to take over. Like I mentioned,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: but I go from those bigger targets in the beginning
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: of the summer to a dime or something a little smaller,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: you know, dime, tenning quarter, and try to try to
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: hone that in so that you're so that your group
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: is much more consistent and it's much much tighter as
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the season gets closer. And then again, the repetition is
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: is a big part of it, but is shooting flat
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: anchoring the same way and not dropping your bow arm
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and settling in counting one thousand one, one thousand two
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and the old figure eight. You know that you go through,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: it's it. There's something to that, you know when you
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: look at it, and you're looking at that target. So
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: taking it to a smaller target is really really helpful
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: as far as trying to refine your your group. When
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you say the figure eight, are you just talking about
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: floating your pen on the target or what do you
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: mean by that? Yes, I I really have trouble keeping
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: it on one spot for longer than a second or two.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I find myself doing that figure eight. So uh, knowing
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: when to release, I think is a big big part
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of it now. And I know those professional archers may
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: all have different a different way of doing it. You
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: know those guys that can shoot at a hundred yards
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: and and hit a quarter each time, By and Chris
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and don't know the guys, they're they're ridiculous. I mean,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: they're they're an anomaly. When you think about it, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you watch him, you go, oh my god, I wish
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I could shoot like that. Well, uh, not everybody can.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: It's just that simple. I don't care how long you
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: practice or how hard you practice. You can become a
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: better shot, and you can become very, very proficient at it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: But shooting like those guys, that's that's just unlike anything
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I've ever watched. Watching those guys, you know, that brings
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: up an interesting question then, because you're right, there's there's
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: some people that can shoot crazy far and insanely accurately.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And those people usually, you know, get a lot of
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: press and a lot of people talk about him, and
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: it's and it's easy to see that and think, well, jeez,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: if that guy is doing this, then I should be
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: able to shoot at seventy or I should be able
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to go out on my western trip and shoot a
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: prong horn at eighty five. Or gosh, I saw Lee
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Lakowski plug that buck at sixty five yards in this
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: food plot. So when I've got my biggest buck ever
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: at sixty five yards out in front of me, yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I could. I should do that. I gotta believe there's
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: some folks that see that kind of thing. And then
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: assume that, well, that's what I should be doing too.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: How how do you terry go about or how did
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: you go about figuring out your own personal limits? How
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: did you figure out what was the right kind of
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: shot for you to take the right maximum range? How
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: do you figure that out? How do you go through that?
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Because I think that's an important part of this whole equation.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I do. I would agree with you there. I think
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: knowing your roundhouse and that's what I call it, that
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: that dead zone where if they get within that perimeter,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you know they're dead. And I think confidence has a
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: lot to do with that. You're shooting confidence and you're
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: shooting ability. Is is important. And recognizing that, which is
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the question you're asking, and being fine with that with
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: yourself and saying my confidence level is thirty yards and under,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: or my confidence level is forty yards and under. You
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: have to be disciplined enough to say, you know what
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: he might be at fifty six, I'm just not going
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to take that shot. I'm gonna I'm gonna work on
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: him tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow is another day. We'll get another
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: opportunity and you may never see him again. But having
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the discipline and being a good sportsman and a good
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: woodsman and being ethical with your shooting is number one.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: It really is. And being being that person, and I
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: know it takes a while. I think it takes years
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: of experience and years of screwing up to say, you
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm just not that good at at sixty yards.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just not so I'm not gonna try it out
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: of respect for the animal. And I think that's first
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and foremost is respect for the quarry that you seek.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: And we wrote that in our catalogs thirty five years ago.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Respect the quarry that you seek. And if you respect
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: that animal in the game enough to say, I'll try
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: him on my church tomorrow. You know, we're playing his
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: game today and he won. He didn't get close enough.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm gonna try him and get tomorrow.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna do a little different. I'm gonna change
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: up a little bit. I'm gonna move in on him.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, play the wind a little different.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ut him in the morning instead of evening
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. I think respect is number one.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And and knowing what your safe zone is, knowing what
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: your dead zone is and the confidence in your shooting ability.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: If you're not confident at sixty, just don't take it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Don't take that shot. Yeah, like you said earlier, you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: can never get an narrow back. And boy does it
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: hurt when you release it and you see it going
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the wrong way or going under him, going over him,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: or hit him in the in the tail or in
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the guts or something. You go, oh my god, what
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: was I thinking? You know, it's the worst feeling in
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: the world, highest of highs and the lowest of blows.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: And we've all been there. You just described it a
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: little while ago with that dear you were trying to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: wake one through there, you know, Yeah, it's the roller coaster. Serious. Um,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Back to practice a second. You talked about how you
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: kind of scale up your practice regiment through like this
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: early summer and into the beginning of the season. But
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: what about in season practice do you do? Do you
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: do much shooting throughout the season? What does that look like?
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Because that's the thing that I've al is thought to myself,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I need to do more of But I always have
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: struggled with sticking to it consistently and doing it enough
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: amidst the chaos of the actual hunts. What's that look
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: like for you? Shoot every day? We shoot every single
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: day throughout the season, and and if I miss a
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: day or two, I know it. I can tell it immediately,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: you know, because you don't get but one. Typically you
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: get one shot, so you it better be a good
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: one when you release it. So we we shoot every day,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: try to stay sharp so that when you get into
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: a tree stand, or you get into a blind, a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: ground blind and elevated blind, whatever it may be, when
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you get in there it's your fourth or fifth shot
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: that day, or six shots, meaning you've taken one to
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: three and four and you got dialed in and go damn,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I'm ready, and then you you know that that next
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: one is gonna be a good one. And I stay
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: in sharp every day, keeping that muscle memory, keeping that
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: anchor point, making sure you're not dropping your bow arm.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: All those things are so important. And we shoot every
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: single day throughout the season. So what's that look like
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: on I don't let's say No. Member seventh or something,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: when maybe let's say you're playing hunting all day, how
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: do you where do you and how do you slip
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: slip in that little bit of shooting and is it
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: is it like you said, like a couple of arrows,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: or do you try to get in twenty minutes or
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: what does that actually look like? Mine's usually three or four.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Three or four arrows is all I shoot. But it's
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: every single day. And if I got to do it
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: at night in the barn with the lights on at
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: ten yards, that's fine, you know, or fifteen yards, whatever
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: it may be. But typically it's mid day if we
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: come in and grab a sandwich or something. If it's
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: if it's early season, it's every day. You know, you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: got all morning or whatever. Unless the moon's right. We
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: may go hunt in some morning hunts, but we'll squeeze
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: it in there wherever the time will permit. If we
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: come in and grab a sandwich, you make plump an
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: arrow or two before you go back out. But early season,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: it's usually in the mornings, will stand out in the
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: driveway there and plunk. Sometimes it's ten or twelve arrows,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: but usually it's three or four. If i'm if we
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: know we're ready by the time the season gets here,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: then it's three or four arrows. If we're not ready,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: then at twelve, the fifteen, maybe twenty, you know, but
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: you like to hope that you're ready when a season hits.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: So we will squeeze it in there wherever we can
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: throughout the day, and then you know when a firearms
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: seasons start kicking in, when Missouri's firearm season starts to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: roll around. Because we're partners with Winchester ammunition, partners with
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Winchester firearms, uh, partners with Traditions muzzleloaders, you know, you've
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: got to be prepared for that end of things as well.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: So the archery tackle kind of gets put to the
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: side for a little while and then you start picking
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: up the firearms. So it's easy to forget about it
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: there for for a moment. So if you do drop
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: off and you don't shoot for a couple of weeks,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: then it takes a little bit longer because it's it's
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: cooling down, you've got more clothes on, you're shooting with gloves,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: you may have a head net and so on and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: so forth. So all that changes the dynamic as well. Yeah,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: speaking of firearms, have you struggled on that side at all?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Have you have any of the target panic or you know,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: rushing shots or any of those things translated to the
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: gun Sidon. I think that it is not too indifferent
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: from the archery tackle, meaning years and years ago when
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: we were novice hunters and just learning and had to
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: camera over your shoulder with a little extra pressure. Yeah,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: we've we've made some errand shots there as well. But uh,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I will say that firearms is a whole another element.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Some of the same you go through some of the
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: same regiment as far as the breathing and and your
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: focal point, but it's a whole different just a whole
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: different can of worms. I enjoy shooting a firearms. We
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: we love shooting all everything Winchester's God, and love shooting
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the traditions at Nitro fire the muzzleloader. You know, the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: conservation departments have given us the times where you uh,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of get to extend your season a
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: little bit on on almost every state now, so we
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: really enjoy the muzzleoader seasons. And late season is always
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: fun because we plan a lot of food obviously with
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: carn and beans and biologic and uh, they're just in
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: a different mode when the ruts starts to wind down
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and they're all about feeding instead of about breeding. It's
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a whole different animal. Once again, so I enjoy shooting,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: and we're we're pretty disciplined at it. You know there too,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: you wait for that the right shot. Even though a
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: firearms will do some different things and the archery tackle
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: will and you can take them in different positions on
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the body, I still like to wait till the broadside
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: or quartering away placed the perfect shot. We pride ourselves
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and trying to do that with the with the firearms,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know, I just I enjoy it.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Can you Can you do the same thing with a
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: gun that you did when we talked through your bow process.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Can you walk me through what you're shooting process looks
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: like with a gun? How you you know, I'm curious
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: about the details of how you get them into your
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: scope and what you're thinking about and when you start
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: to breathe or squeeze or all that stuff. What what
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: does that look like for you? And how do you
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: go about calming yourself and settling in in that situation.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: If it's any different than your boat, maybe it's the same.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Well I had said early on that I was hard
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: headed when I when I work through the target panic,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just as hardheaded with with the firearms. I've got
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: a certain roundhouse there, and and there's a lot of
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: guys that are tremendous long distance shooters. We see it
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: out West all the time, where they're making four and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: five hundred yards shots, you know, and six hundred yard shots.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Where we're at in the Midwest there typically a shot
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: might be one under. But if it's not, you know,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: a hundred fifty yards, I just won't. I won't shoot
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: at him. I'll wait till the next day or the
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: following day or the following week. I just won't. And
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I prefer that at one thirty and under, one and
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: under and and everything. We've got dialed in at a
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: hundred yards, you know. So we know that we know
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the trajectory, we know how flat they shoot, we know
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: you know the violence that you're gonna get on on impact.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: So we're just pretty dog on discipline about it. And
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's there too. I think it takes years
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: of practice and years of harvesting a number of animals,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and when you get disciplined enough and you say this
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: is my round house, this is my shooting cop, but
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: this is my dead zone. This is where I want them,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna shoot until they get there. And
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: if you go in with that attitude, uh, you know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: and because they're on camera, he might be out there
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: at one eight or two hundred. You're going, I'm just
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: not gonna shoot him until he gets to one thirty.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: And some days they do, some days they don't. So
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: you've got to be a disciplined hunter in that in
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: that respect. But man, we we pride ourselves in trying
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: to make a good shot. The last thing we want
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: to do is make an errand shot, and uh, we
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: just wait till they get into our confidence zone. Yeah.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: So once they're in that zone and you're getting ready,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: how what do you go How do you go about
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: settling in? Calming down? Is just the deep breathing in
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the same situation or what does that actually look like?
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: You know, Mark, I like to heal, I call it hell.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I like to heal my gun and or my elbow
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: if I can, if I have that opportunity to heal
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: your elbow or even your back for that matter. So
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: there is zero movement, meaning you're you're really really rigid,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and and from the moment they get into my roundhouse,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: even when they're quartering too, I keep the scope and
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: the crosshairs on them the entire time. And I do
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that so that when I when I get the shot,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: meaning when he finally does turn broadside or quartering away,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I'm already settled in. If you've been on him for
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: two minutes, five minutes, ten minutes, twenty minutes, when you
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: get the opportunity to shoot, then it's a matter of squeezing.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: And we do a lot of target practice, much like
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: we do with the archery tackle. We do the same
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: thing with the firearms. We shoot, and we shoot and
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: we shoot, and we pride ourselves and trying to touch
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: bullets with you know, depending on who you're shooting with
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: and and at different distances, different yardages and so on
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: and so forth, different cartridges, and uh, we just we
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: go through the go through that motion and that regiment
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: so that I don't know that it's necessarily muscle memory
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: like it is with archery, but there's a certain regiment
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that you go through with your eyes and training the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: eye and the finger and when to squeeze and the
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: breathing and all those different things that we go through.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: But I keep that crossair on him the entire time,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and then when you're finally presented with the shot, you're
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: pretty pretty well calmed down, you're settled in, and all
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: you gotta do is squeeze and pull the trigger. Yeah,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: so we we started this conversation, Terry, digging up some
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: dirt and talking through a couple of your more painful
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: experiences with the shop. What about the flip side? Is
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: there any hunt you can recall on the archery side again,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: where you were in the moment, you were fully in control,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: you did everything right, the shot was perfect, and and
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: you can recall that. And I'm curious to hear that
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: story here. I'd love to hear about a time when
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: you did it all right and what that felt like
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and what that process looked like. Um, I think that
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: could be just as helpful to understand in detail as
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the as the painful missed opportunities sometimes as well. Well.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Oddly enough, nobody remembers those remember the bat. They all
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: remember the bad ones. But there are you know, there
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: are dozens and dozens of those two. And I'm not
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to brag or say we're good or anything.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that we have is way way more
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: good ones than bad ones. It's just that the bad
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: ones stick with you, and they stick in your mind
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and you wish you could have it back. But we've
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: had some really really great hunts with great deer over
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the years and killed a lot of nice bucks. And
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and I can't tell you how many doughs I've shot
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: in my career. And and I try to pride myself
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: on making as many good shots with the dose I
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: do with the buck. I you know, I I really
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: really cherish the fact that we've got an ample supply
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: and our deer density is high and we're able to
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: do that year after year after year. And I enjoy
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: shooting dose. But man, we've had a ton of really
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: good bucks that we've killed and made the perfect shot,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: and the feeling is is one of yes, finally, all
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: the work, everything that you put into it, all that effort,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: all that practice, all that you did, and even the
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: chest match. I mean, it's not easy to kill a
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: good buck in Missouri, you know, with consistency and regularity,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, because you know, we do what we do.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: We're trying to kill four and five good bucks a year.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: And it's like it's the race of all races. It's
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: a it's marathon trying to do it, because it's it's
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: like trying to hit the lottery three, four or five times.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: It's just don't happen that way. So consistency and killing
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: him year after year after years is not easy. And
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not complaining whatsoever. We love doing it, we love
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: spending the time, We love the chess match. But I
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: have had an ample supply of really good deer that
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: have come into our roundhouse or into that circle. Make
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: a good shot. The deer runs over seventy yards, falls
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: over on camera, and uh, I just you know, the
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: rest is history, as they say. I had one deer
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: in particular, there was a hundred sixty two or four
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: inch nine point he would attend the previous year. I
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: didn't get a shot at him the previous year, but
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: he came in, presented us with an opportunity. Watched him
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: for an hour and a half on camera. He stayed
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: out there. He finally got in there, opened the window
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: on a blind and boom, he was gone. I didn't
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: get a shot at him, and that was prior to Thanksgiving.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Came back after Thanksgiving, did the same exact thing. Uh.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: He came into our round house into the dead zone.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: If you will, and a doe bugger open the window,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: doe bugger, and he stood there and uh, and then
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: he and then he bolted just a little bit and
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: make a long story short, and put it put a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: great shot on him, and he ran sixty seventy yards
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: fell over dead. So there are a lot of those
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: two with firearms and with archery tackle and I just
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: when you do it, the feeling is one of I
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know how to describe it other than
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: somewhat of an ecstasy, if you will, because all the
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: work you went into it, it's kind of a big deflation.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: All the air comes out of your lungs, and there's
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: such a relief and such a yoke or burden off
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: your shoulders that you just you can't describe it words.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think words truly describe it. When they go
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: down and tip over on camera, man oh man, there
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: is no better feeling. Yeah. So when you look back
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: over the last years or what ever it's been, terry,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and you go back and you think about all these
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: various um low points, mishaps that happened along the way,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: and you, like you said, you've had different coaches talked
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: to You've had different friends talk to you. I'm sure
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: you're your brothers talked to you, Your family and other
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: folks have all probably offered maybe unsolicited advice at times too. Um,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: what has been if you can think back on any
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: one most important piece of advice that you've got, was
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: there one thing or one change you made, or one
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: one liner that's helped you the most, or or something
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that that you can look back on say, yeah, you
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: know what that was that was important? Does anything stand
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: out when you look over those years and when it
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: comes to helping you handle these situations, shoot better, deal
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: with the pressure better, whatever part of this you want
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: to tackle. One year and Mark pointed this out. We
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: watched it over and over on on video. Which we
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: talked about early on was having somebody fail me and
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I was really really gripping the riser, like extremely hard,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: like talking and gripping it way way harder than needed
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: to be. You know, so many guys shoot open palm
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's easy to get caught up
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: in that moment where you grip and I think maybe
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment, you kind of lose
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: side of the fact that you're even doing it. You know,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: because you don't want to you don't want to screw up,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: so you're gripping just that much tighter, and you're you're
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: talking and doing some things that you wouldn't normally do.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And market points that out one year and it's just
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: easy to get caught up. But that was one of
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the things that was very, very helpful was just watching
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: it on camera. Uh. And I think everybody can do
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: that because almost everybody's either got an iPhone or an
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Android now and the cameras are spectacular, and you can
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: shoot them in slow moor. You can shuttle back and
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: forth and watch what you're doing. And I would say
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: take it from different angles, a frontal and both sides,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: and then maybe from the back and see if your
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: bo arms dropping and so on and so forth. Then
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: see if you're gripping, see if you're anchoring the same
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: way each and every time. But I guess, you know,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't have one in particular.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I do believe that the harvesting a lot of animals
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: has helped more than anything. You know, when you start shooting,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm gonna get into say, you know,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: hundreds when you shoot hundreds of animals or hundreds of gear,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: then you should be, you know, over those those nerves.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Even though you're not, you should be. But it does help.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: It helps you go through the right motion, the right
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: regiment at the right time, and that you get your
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: brain process right. You know, there's a certain set of
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: fuck processes that you go through, which we did. We've
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: described and we went into that, and I think a
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: guy should go through that regiment each and every time.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: And the other way to do it. If you see
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: a dough, pretend it's a buck. If you see a fawn,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: pretend it's an adult dough, and go how where am
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I going to kill this at? How am I gonna
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: kill it? Go through the motions, And it's about getting
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: your feet right on a platform. Where am I gonna
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: have to get my butt? You know? If I want to,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: If I want to shoot this deer, you left, enter
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: the right hand at it. We call it, I call
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: it into your hand and away from your hand. If
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: you're a bull rider, they love when when a buck
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: or bull turns into their hands or away from their hand,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: you know. And and that's what I talked about all
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the time. Whether you're turkey hunting, it's about getting your
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: fannie switched around there. If you're a lefty or righty,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: and archery is not too indifferent. If you know he's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: gonna be walking one side of the tree or the other,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: then you better be getting your feet turned, you know,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: so that you can make that shot, and you can
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: turn into your hand or away from your hand a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: lot easier than you can the other direction. Yeah, that's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: a great point. So what about the flip side that
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: being the worst advice you've been given, because again, I'm
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: sure you've gotten some of that too. Is there anything
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: that you've heard over the years that that you recognize
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: right away as being horrible advice or maybe you took
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the advice and then down the road learned was not
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: such a great suggestion. You know, we get critiqued a lot,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: and being in the public eye, you're going to get that,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: so you you take each with a grain of salt.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: But so many people have gotten things that they tell
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: you should be doing, and the majority of it is
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: not the best of advice. You know, it may be
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: a novice that hasn't been hunting very very long. You know,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: if it's you know, if it's uh, Don Kiski, Lelakowski,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: j Gregory, Mark Drury. Uh. You know, LEVI, those guys
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: know what the hell they're talking about. So when they
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: when they say something, you really do want to listen
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and you want to go, okay, thank you. I appreciate that.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: But boy, beyond that, if you start getting critique from
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: the average hunter, and I'm not trying to dismiss any
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: of it, because some of those guys are really good archers,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: but you gotta kind of take it with a grain
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: of salt and say, hey, what works for me? What
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: what really is helpful for me and my scenario in
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: my situation, and because we have so many different scenarios,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: tree stand, ground blind, elevated blind, you know, it's you
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: never know where we're gonna be sitting. You better be prepared.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: And I think preparation has got a lot to do
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: with that. I sit down and I practice all the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: time because oftentimes we're sitting on a chair and a
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: ground line, or we'll be sitting on a chair in
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: an elevator, lind or we'll be sitting down. I'll sit
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: down and shoot in my tree stand because you can
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: heal your back against the tree trunk, and you're just
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: a lot more a lot more solid. Now when you're
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: sitting down, it limits you. You know, he hed better
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: be either in front of you or moving around on
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: one side of you, because the other side you're not
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to get a shot. Then you gotta
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: get up, and you gotta move. You gotta twist your
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: body all the way around one eight. So it's about
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: knowing where the deer are gonna be and about knowing
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: what trails they might be on. But you know, preparation
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: is so important. And we've had some bad advice that
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: we get that on a regular basis via email, and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: we thank each and every one of them for their advice.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: But I can't come out with one specifically. Yeah, like
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: you said, there's there's a whole lot of examples of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: pull from I'm sure. Yeah, I gotta ask you this, Uh,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Terry zoom out. I guess zooming out here a little bit.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: If I were to look back on my past kind
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: of tough year that I mentioned at the top, shooting
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: was a big part of it, but tied to that,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I think was also expectations or pressure or something that
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: ramped up and probably led to some of the shooting
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: issues and also led to a little bit at periods
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: kind of losing some of the joy of things. I've
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: heard from a number of other people, not just people
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  Speaker 1: that kind of work in this world like we do,
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  Speaker 1: but even just die hard deer hunters that love it
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  Speaker 1: so much that spends so much time that's it's their obsession.
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  Speaker 1: They sink so much time and money and energy into
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: it that they too have developed these expectations and these
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: pressures on themselves, and they've found themselves, you know, on
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: November seven, during what's supposed to be the best time
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: of the white tailed year, but instead they're miserable because
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: something's not going right, or because something went wrong, or
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: they they haven't filled their tag, or their buddies have
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: all killed giants and they can't, or whatever the thing is,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: or someone critique their buck on Instagram, or who knows
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: what it could be these days. Um, I think this
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: is something that I'm beginning to hear more and more
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: often from folks. Have do you have any thoughts on
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: dealing with those types of issues. Have you ever experienced
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: that yourself, have the expectations of the pressures or what
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: if the people think or anything like that. Does any
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: of that resonate? Have you dealt with that? Do you
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: have any thoughts or lessons on how to work through
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing? You know, it's funny you ask that,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: because we we have that pressure each and every year,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: particularly in the outdoor industry, and you're you're expected to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: perform and you're expected to perform at a higher level
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: because that's what you do and that's what you're you know,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: that's what your aspirations are. But man, oh man, going
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: into a season, you know, we target certain deer because
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: you know, number one, they've got to be mature anymore.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: And then and there's no perfect science to that determining
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: whether there are five and as sticks and a half
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: seven and a half. Sometimes you can make mistakes and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: you don't even realize you did. But you know, we're
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: going to target a certain deer going into the season,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: and if you just don't seem and you don't get
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: an opportunity, you know you're not going to kill him obviously, uh.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: And then you're only as good as the area that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: you hunt, or you're only as good as the spot
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: that you're hunting. You can't kill a two hundy if
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you don't have a two hunty. It's just that simple.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: If if your dear top out in the mid one
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: forties or one fifties and you're you're after a deer
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: like that, that's that's just it. If you kill that deer,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you should be extremely happy that you killed a hundred
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: inch deer. Hundred deer if that's what your territory, that's
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: what your neck of the woods, or that's what your
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: area provides. And I think are in the story as
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: a whole. Back when we started, hell, you didn't see,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: you didn't know what anybody shot. If you know, there
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: was a few television shows between uh Massioake and you know,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: it wasn't as readily available as it is now. With
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: digital media, you can find out instantaneously what people are
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: killing and how big they are. And and I do
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: believe that puts added pressure on everyone nationwide because we
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: all want to kill a big deer, and we all
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: want to, you know, enjoy it with our buddies. And
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: and when your buddies are killing deer and you're not, man,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a sick feeling. I mean, you go,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: why can't I I can't even get a sniffle one
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: of you. I can't even see one. What's the problem here?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with me? Why? What am I doing? So
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you would get past that, other
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: than to say that, because we've been doing it for
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: so long, and we've had a number of different team
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: members over the years, some guys will go through a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: tough season for a year or two, and then by golly,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: the next year, all of sudden, they're sitting on top.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: So it's a psychic, cyclic event. Some years are gonna
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: be better than others. I think some years fall in
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: line with the rut in different states a little bit better,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: with different moon phases and all those things. So some
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: guys are gonna be blessed and some guys are not.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: And it's it's not uncommon to see that guy that
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: historically has struggled, all of a sudden to kill a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: giant one year, and you have to stay after it.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: You gotta be persistent, you can't give up, and somehow
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: work through those low spots. Uh. It's a matter of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: enjoying what the other guy killed. You know, if your
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: buddy killed a one eighty, you've gotta be happy for him,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: you know, jealous as you may be and say, damn,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I wish tied to kill that, dear, you still have
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: to be happy for the guy that's really worked hard
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: and uh and put all the time and the effort
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: into it. So uh, it's not easy. I know the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: pressure is on us each and every year it's a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: big chess match. And some years we we win. It's checkmates,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: some years we don't. Do you do you? I think
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to this, But do you even
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: feel that way personally yourself? Sometimes, even though you've killed
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: so many great deer, do you still find yourselves sometimes
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: sitting there and end of October and seemingly everyone in
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: the team's killed a buck and you haven't seen a
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: shooter in eight weeks or something, and what's your self talk?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Look like? What's your how do you? How do you
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: psyche yourself back up? Is it just simply reminding yourself
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: of the past like you just mentioned, Well, it would
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: always seem that no matter what I killed, Mark would
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: kill one ten or fifteen inches bigger, just seriously, and
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: his his he had spots were there early season was
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: usually good. He'd have he'd had big deer on you know,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: biologic non typical clover early season, and he'd bopped one
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: right out of the gate. So then the pressure was
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: on immediately, you know, and you're like, okay, my farm,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: because we have so much agg around us, it doesn't
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: get good until middle of October, end of October, once
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the crops start coming out. So I was always a
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: late harder at the All Star break, if you will,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: and then I would be a strong finisher. But man,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: it's a tough bill to swallow when he gets two
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: or three good ones under his belt right right out
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: of the gate, and you're trying to keep up, you know,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: So there's always pressure in and we pull for each
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: other no matter what. I'm always I'm always thankful when
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: he kills a couple of good ones right off the bat,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: you know, early season, because it takes a little bit
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: of pressure off as far as you know, filling the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: shows and coming up with enough content. But it's added
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: pressure and the fact that I'm trying to, you know,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: find a big deer and and get on one and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: kill it, because he's always got a big one somewhere,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: some some ways, some shape or form. He's got a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: giant on some little bitty fifty acre parcel that he
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: got permission on or something, you know, and he and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: he went in, he carved out of food plot and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: that's one eight shows up. You know. So some people, right,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: they're always always in the money. A harsh shoe, four
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: leaf clover, rabbits foot, your name, and he's got he's
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: got all that stuff his pocket, his backpack. But he's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: he's just he's at another level, much like Leila Kosky
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: and some of those other guys. He marks just one
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: hell of a white tail hunter. He really is tremendous
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: shot too, you know, but we don't go his mrs
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: are his errand shots. We just never have. He's somes
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: more control in the editor's box. Huh. We gotta get
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: that change. Oh yeah, oh yes, absolutely yeah. Those shows
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: get sometimes get proofed when I'm out of town or
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: on the farm or something. Yeah. Funny how that happens. Yeah, um,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: but it's all good, it's all fun. I will say
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: We've been really very very blessed and very fortunate. The
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: most humbling experience in the world is to grow up
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: in the outdoor industry and be blessed enough to harvest
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: some really really good deer and and trying to help
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: someone else learn. You know, that's what our biggest aspiration.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: And we have not talked about deer cast, but that
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: was the whole reason we we came up with the
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: app in deer cast. Yeah, so what's what's new a
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: deer Cast? I know you guys have updated this year.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: What's uh, what should we be looking for? Wow? It's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: it's just really really been fun. It's been a labor
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: of love, if you will. We've been two years. We
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: were supposed to release this last year. We didn't get
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: it done, but it did give us time to do
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: some additional testing with the beta series and we think
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: we've got it down now where it's it's pretty dog
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: on sweet. We added mapping to the original deer Cast.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Obviously is the movement predictor, which tells you, you know,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: the when the white tails are more most likely to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: be up on their feet and moving during daylight hours.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: And then in addition to that, it's got deer cash Track,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: which helps you find your dear, recover your animal. It's
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: it's got a news feed, it's got our entire library
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: and and the weather data. So we added mapping to that,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: and with that mapping, we added rain stations. Where you
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: can put a rain station on your food plot and
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: it will tell you the actually the precipt that you
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: have that fallen. It's a it's a an estimated you
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: will until after the precept falls. You know, if it
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: says you're gonna get three tents of rain, and then
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: after it has time to update once the rain has fallen,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: you know you may have got four tents. You may go.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: But it's awfully nice knowing when you got rain coming,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: you know what the next seventy two looks like, and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: when you can get your food plots in and then
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: if you've gotten rain, you know, you say, oh man,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: you may live four hours from your farm or two
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: hours and you go, hell, I got an inch of
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: rain on my farm, which is awesome. So it's got that.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: It's also got wind check. The wind check is phenomenal.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: It tells you you know what wind direction it will
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: be coming from. It's got a cent cone on there.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: That sent tone changes speed and it changes size depending
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: on the speed and the velocity of the wind. You know,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: one to five is one cone. Uh six to ten
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: is another cone, tend to fifteen and so on and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: so forth. Those sent streams change and the uh, it's
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: just really trying to show you, you know, exactly what's
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: happening when you're sitting in a tree stand. And then
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: there's some information that goes along with each and every
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: one on the more the sweet spot is, you know,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I like to hunt seven eight mill on our winds.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Mark likes to hunt ten to eleven mile on our winds. So, uh,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: it's very very informative when it comes to that sense
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: dream and and let's face it, a deer list and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: eyes by their nose. It's got parcel data, it's got radar,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: it's got just every single thing you would want as
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: a white tail hunter. And you know, a food plot area. Uh,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: it will pass track, it's got distances. Every single thing
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: you might need as a white tailed guy is in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: this mapping features and and man oh man, we we
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: just strongly feel like people are going to enjoy it.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: And I think the more they use it, the more
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: they're gonna want to use it. Very cool and still
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: deer cast track, You've got that tool on there as
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: well too, right, Yes, you know, Mark, everybody tells you
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: how to kill them, but nobody tells you how to
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: find them. We said, you know, what let's try and
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: help people find them. And we we've taken a number
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: and I don't know how many hundreds of deer hits
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: that we've got on there. But we've got two other
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: guys that will tell you a little bit about it.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: One is tracker John Inglecan and the other one is
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: uh Bobby Culberson down at Tara Wildlife. Those guys are
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: tremendous trackers. And they two and Mark and I too,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: both give you some insight on how long to wait,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: what vitals you might have hit, what arteries you may
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: have hit, uh you know, and when you hit this
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: artery let's say living or long or or double lung
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: or heart lung or our our guts and and liver,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: how long you need to wait for that dear to expire,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: and how far they may have went, and and what
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: other arteries you might have cut so and and there's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: a three D model in there that will go uh
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: quartering to broadside, quartering away, so that you can kind
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: of say, oh, he was he was quartering to me
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: just slightly, So where did my arrow go through there?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: And that three D model will kind of give you
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: an idea what you would have hit on that particular shot.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: So all of those are cashed away in there and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: you can pull them up and take a look at
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: him and and say, you know what, I was gonna
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: give him thirty minutes, I need to give him four hours.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Or I was gonna give him four hours, I need
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: to give him eight. So it's, uh, it's extremely informational
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: when it comes to those hits. Yeah, I really like that.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: That's that's coming hand you a couple of times, just
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: even when it's something you feel like, pretty confident, I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: know what I should do in this situation. It's always
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: nice to have a second opinion, and you know, sometimes
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: it's too late at night to call a friend or whatever,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: and being able to go on there and see how
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: it went down for for one of the guys in
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: your team and see your thoughts on it. I've found
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: that pretty pretty nice to have so nice, nicely done
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: good stuff, you know, And because of the things are nowadays, Mark,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know why everyone isn't trying to self film,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: because we have the luxury of watching the hit over
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: and over and over and over, and some of them
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: will watch, you know, three or four dozen times to say,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: you know, as he dead, or should we give you
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: more time? Or what did we hit? Blah blah blah
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: blah blah. But a guy sitting in a tree by
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: himself and makes a shot, oftentimes you're not a hundred
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: percent certain, And I'd say more and more times than not,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: you're not exactly certain where you hit him and how
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: he was standing, whether it was he quartering too, was
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: he broad? But boy, if if you have the opportunity
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: or the luxury to watch it on camera, there is
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: no no better feeling than to watch it over and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: over and over and then make that decision. But you know,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: it's it's easy, too easy to guess. But if you
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: have the opportunity to do some self filming, then I
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: would highly encourage it. Yeah, so so helpful. So the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: last question for you, Terry, what what's in store for
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: you this season? Do you are you feeling good about
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: what's coming up? Is there a special deer you're helping
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: to get your eyes on this year? What what's Deer
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Season two going to look like? For you? Well? Last
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: year I felt really really good about things because we
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: had you know, a number of different bucks, several up
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: and comers and so on and so forth. And killed
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: a good one last year, killed two good ones last
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: year on my farm, and so did Forest, my farm manager.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Forest bad and killed a couple of good ones there
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: on the farm. So we had a really really banner
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: year last year. But with that being said, none of
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: them made it through. There was a lot of a
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: lot of deer that got taken in and around my
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: farm and and they just disappeared. So we really don't
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: have anything to hunt this year. I'm hoping something shows
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: up other than a few doughs, we'll be we'll be
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: dope shooting for a while. But with that said, I've
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: got a couple of good ones over in Illinois, same
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: deer I've been hunting in Illinois for the last three years.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Haven't got them dead, and uh, we'll we'll go after
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: them and try to harvest one or two of those
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: if we get the opportunity. We killed a really good
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: deer over there last year and shot it with a
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: crossbow mission crossbow, and uh, I know we catch a
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: lot of grief over that too. Uh. We didn't talk
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: about this at all. I'm getting to a point in
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: with my age. I tore a rotator, uh a couple
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: of years ago and I'm I milked my way through
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: it last year, kind of nursed it along, but it's
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: it's really really bad this year, and I'm too big
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: a sissy to go get it fixed. So everybody I've
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: talked to said it's the worst pain they've ever had
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: when they got their rotator operated on. So I've been
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I can't. You can't put a belt on, you can't,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: you know, get your seat belts, you can't brush your teeth,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: you can't call mer hair, you know. It's one of
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  Speaker 1: those deals. It's like a butcher knife in your shoulders.
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  Speaker 1: So that's an issue. But that's why. That's why God
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  Speaker 1: made crossbows. I didn't believe. So that's the crossbows working
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  Speaker 1: pretty well for you. Then now, yes, those things, my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: they've made them now that they're just and we'll probably
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  Speaker 1: get hammered because we talked about it. But for those
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  Speaker 1: that that need it and have shoulder issues, my golly,
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  Speaker 1: it's they're fun to shoot, and we really really thoroughly
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  Speaker 1: enjoy We like this target. Practicing with it, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Forest and I spent a great much like our firearms
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  Speaker 1: and much like the archery tackle, we spend a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time shooting a crossbow and have become very very
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  Speaker 1: proficient in it there too. We know what our roundhouse is.
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  Speaker 1: We're not gonna take any errand shots at a hundred
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  Speaker 1: yards eighty yards and a lot of guys can, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys will, but we try to keep it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, reasonable, and we know if they're in our
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  Speaker 1: round house, there's a pretty good chance we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be successful. And we're very very adamant about that as well.
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  Speaker 1: But boy are they fun to shoot. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you've ever tinkered with one, but man, they're blast. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My my dad has some eyesight issues and because of that,
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  Speaker 1: he you know, he tried shooting a regular compombo and
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  Speaker 1: just really struggled with that. So a crossbow ended up
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  Speaker 1: being great for him because there's the scope and he
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  Speaker 1: can really see things well through that, and so that
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  Speaker 1: was a game change for him and it lets him
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  Speaker 1: you know, participate in archery season now, which is you know,
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  Speaker 1: a godsend. So it's been it's been fun to shoot
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  Speaker 1: those and help him with that. And I'll never crap
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  Speaker 1: on crossbows because there's there's a lot of people that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to get outside and enjoy hunting the
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  Speaker 1: way we do if they didn't have a tool like that.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm all, I'm all for people being able to
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  Speaker 1: get out there and enjoy it however they need to. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I shot seventy two pounds for years and years and years,
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  Speaker 1: and then as I started get a little older, I
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  Speaker 1: dropped down to sixty seven, and then sixty four, and
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: then sixty two and then fifty nine, fifty seven. I
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  Speaker 1: shot fifty three last year with a bad shoulder, and
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  Speaker 1: I got it back the other day and I'm pulling
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  Speaker 1: forty nine pounds and I can't draw it. It hurts
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  Speaker 1: so so bad. I literally cannot draw it forty nine.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna drop it down to forty five and
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  Speaker 1: then forty two, and I probably won't go lower than that.
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  Speaker 1: But if I can't draw it, I can't draw it,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So I'll be shooting across bow if I
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: if I have to. But in regardless, it is what
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  Speaker 1: it is. Is you can start to get a little older,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: things change and as people find that out, they go,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not what I once was, and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: it wasn't much to begin with. So you have to
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  Speaker 1: come to the come to the reckoning and say there's
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  Speaker 1: certain things you just gotta do. Now. If I go
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  Speaker 1: get it operated on in the off season and get
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  Speaker 1: it fixed, I might be able to get it back.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: But so I'm right now, I can't draw forty nine pounds,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty sad, to be honest. And I was
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  Speaker 1: pulling fifty three last year, killed too, killed the biggest
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: year of my life last year fifty three pounds. So well.
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  Speaker 1: I I hope that whether it's with a kam Pombo
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: or crossed. Oh, Terry, I hope a big one shows
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: up in missouriphor you. I hope the Illinois buck finally
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: meets his maker. And uh, I hope you have a
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: great season, and likewise, I hope you do too. I
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: love your stuff. I always have. I've always enjoyed visiting
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: with with you. I really really am always enthralled with
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: everything you do. I hope you continue hunting with your dad,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: and I hope he kills a monster with the crossbowt
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I hope so too. Thank you Terry for for making
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: time to do this. I really appreciate it. Thank you
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: so much. Anytime you need anything, just give me a holler,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: all right, And that is a rap big things. Again
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: to Terry for speaking with us. I hope you guys
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: enjoyed this one. As we just mentioned. Everything they're doing
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: over with the deer Cast app is is really great.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I personally enjoy it. I follow it. I've got the app.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: The YouTube channels packed with great content to so check
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: that out and um stay tuned, f y. I speaking
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: of YouTube, a new show that I filmed last year
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: for meat Eater will be launching soon on the meat
• 1:21:59
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• 1:22:02
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• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: see my wild season and the crazy adventures I went on.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: It should be launching sometime in September, so keep an
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: eye out for that. And in the meantime, we've got
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: our new waterfowl show, duck Lure is airing right now.
• 1:22:19
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• 1:22:22
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• 1:22:25
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• 1:22:28
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• 1:22:31
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• 1:22:33
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• 1:22:36
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• 1:22:39
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• 1:22:42
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• 1:22:45
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• 1:22:49
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• 1:22:55
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