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Skateboarding | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #32 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Well hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian
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  Reeve podcast. We're now on 32 episodes.
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  It's been, it's been crazy. And you know, I've got to say as
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  as the as the podcast continues to progress and continues to
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  evolve probably is the word I would use.
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  For me, it's getting a lot more exciting before we get into
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  today's topic. I wanted to basically just
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  quickly say I'm very kind of open in terms of where this
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  podcast can go. And you know, for me, it's
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  largely always going to be driven by what you guys want to,
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  what you want to listen to what you want to see appear on this
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  podcast, because at the end of the day, while I don't have a
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  big following right now, there are people communicating to me
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  here and there that are saying that they enjoy the podcast and
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  they like the way that it's actually going right now, like
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  the format. Which tells me that, you know,
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  that coupled with the stats that I look at for things like
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  YouTube and Spotify and apple podcasts and everything in
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  between indicates to me that you guys want to continue seeing the
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  interviews, which I love to do. So don't worry.
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  Those are always going to be prevalent.
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  They're always going to be a part of this podcast and I feel
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  like they'll probably be the But more than likely the, the bigger
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  part of the podcast, I mean, you know, it in terms of like if we
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  quickly talk about business for a second, you know it.
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  It's the type of thing where, you know, it draws more people
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  in, you know, obviously one of my initial thoughts with having
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  guests on the show, is that Their audience will, then want
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  to hear them being interviewed, which, you know, draws people
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  from them to my own audience. So it's kind of like, you know,
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  I can actually grow my audience through those people you are and
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  I'm being absolutely transparent with that, you know, but it
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  wasn't just about that. I also thought that it would be
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  quite an interesting test for myself to see if I could
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  interview people how it would go.
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  You know, I've seen other people do it.
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  Shout out to the saw Powers podcast.
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  That was a podcast that I appeared on very many months ago
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  and I really liked his setup. He was able to do it very, very
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  Very quickly and I took some inspiration from him and from
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  Joe Rogan as well in terms of like the podcast style.
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  But I've kind of developed my own style in terms of like I do
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  a lot of research on my guests and then you know, I ad-lib
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  according to how the podcast goes.
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  So it can potentially go a lot longer and be very detailed you
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  know, if that's the way it's going to go or it can be a lot
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  shorter and And you know, I kind of make that judgment I suppose
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  on the day and see how it goes, which is another element of why
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  this is so interesting because you never know how it's going to
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  go. And obviously, I don't want it
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  to go bad but if it does go bad, that's a challenge in of itself.
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  It's like, how can I turn this into something?
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  Interesting, how can I make it interesting?
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  And that brings me to the topics that I'm doing right now.
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  So obviously, you know, there haven't been many June only
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  podcast where it's just been me talking at length about a
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  particular topic. And a lot of the reason for that
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  is because, you know, they don't do as well.
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  You know, maybe you guys aren't as interested in that the views.
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  Certainly would corroborate that line of thinking.
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  But at the same time, you know, I still want to do them part of
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  it is necessity. You know, for instance recently
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  I invited Dutch deals to become a permanent part of the East.
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  But again he's not always going to be available which means that
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  I have to find something to continue the podcast and keep it
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  going, but I didn't want to just put out any old crap, you know
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  what I mean? Like, that's not an excuse to
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  just put stuff out, just to keep it going.
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  I've got sit down and think about it and and do my research
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  think about, you know, is this something I can talk about at
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  length? Is this something that I could
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  make a, you know, an hour-long podcast out of and The more and
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  more, that my view views view, count grows on platforms, such
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  as, you know, apple apple and Spotify and such, you know, the
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  more I think about that. And think about the fact that is
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  this something that you would actually want to listen to, is
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  there going to be anything of interest within this, you know,
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  is it the sort of thing that you can sit and I don't know be at
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  your desk or on your way to work or whatever the case may be and
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  have this as something that you Listen to And subscribe to every
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  week. And when I started thinking
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  about that, I started, first of all, panicking and secondly
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  thinking about, you know, okay, well what can I do to make this
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  interest in? What can I do but I felt this
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  weight of responsibility and it's a good thing.
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  It makes me think. Okay I've got these regular
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  viewers and it's growing the podcast is growing.
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  What can I do to appease everyone?
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  What can I do to make this a good quality podcast?
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  The people want to keep subscribing to and, you know,
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  keep listening to, you know, I don't want to lose anyone.
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  Obviously. And I've been told by a lot of
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  people that apparently, I'm doing a good job which I really
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  appreciate. So thank you to those people.
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  I'm always open to criticism by the way, or just general
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  feedback. So if there is anything that you
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  would like to hear me talk about or if you know there's something
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  that you don't like let me know because you know this is Ways of
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  growing project, it's always going to be open to criticism,
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  even if it goes above and beyond and becomes really successful,
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  there's always ways we can improve it and my ears will
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  always be open as far as that is concerned.
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  But yeah, just really quickly before we get into our main
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  topic. You know I just wanted to kind
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  of say that like this is the reason I'm testing different
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  formats out you know having Dutch deals on board is a great
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  thing for him. As well.
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  You know, this wasn't just about me.
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  It was also about giving him an opportunity.
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  He was one of the first people that I thought of in terms of
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  people that I could have on the show that are reliable.
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  And you know, I have a decent chemistry over as well because
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  you need people that you just click with.
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  And for those of you that have listened to the tcj podcast, I
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  did before this. You'll know that I had a very
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  good chemistry with childish. Cohen trial by fire.
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  And I've never actually met those guys in real life and it's
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  the same with Dutch deals. You know, it's the sort of thing
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  where we want it to do this thing.
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  And we thought, okay, let's try this.
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  Let's see how it works. And that is a gamble, because if
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  you've never met someone and you have not known them for that
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  long, then you are making a gamble in terms of whether or
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  not you have chemistry. And that's not to say that it's
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  anything wrong with what you're doing.
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  If you don't Of chemistry. I mean, chemistry is to
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  something that's either there or it's not, you know, I mean it's
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  like a relationship, you know, you either fancy each other and
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  there's something that draws you in or there's nothing and you
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  move on. And I've been very lucky where
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  that's concerned in terms of the people I've met.
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  So I think that choosing Dutch deals to kind of appear on this
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  podcast is something I it just came straight away.
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  I knew I needed some people to be on here on a more permanent
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  basis. And I'll always be looking.
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  People to join my team moving forward.
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  So if you would like to join the Christian Reef podcast and be
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  like a co-host or be involved behind the scenes, then let me
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  know and get in touch, and, you know, that's definitely, there's
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  always work to be done. There's always stuff ways that I
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  want to grow this and turn it into something much bigger than
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  what it is. And, you know, if you're the
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  right fit, you're the right fit and I felt that Dutch deals was
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  the right fit. You know, obviously, I'm keeping
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  in mind that he might not be available forever. /, you know,
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  these things happen, people come and go that's just life.
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  And also, it's the nature of what we do as far as YouTube is
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  concerned. You know, he has his own life
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  and he has his goals and aspirations as do.
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  I? And that's why I'm keeping it a
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  very open thing where I'm kind of having all of these different
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  options on the podcast. So, whatever happens, it's not
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  going to drastically affect the podcast, one way or the other.
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  And I kind of like that as well, because, Like it gives you the
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  viewers something as far as like a random nurse is concerned
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  like, you never know what to expect, what the next episode is
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  going to be and I like that I think that that makes it more
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  engaging makes it more interesting.
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  Maybe I mean I would find that interesting I guess but I think
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  the more that we do this podcast and the more that we grow are
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  following and stuff and when we get to a point where my My
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  audience, you guys are more kind of responsive and you let me
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  know what you like and what you don't like.
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  We'll be able to kind of factor that in and kind of cult cult
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  avails when were talking about kind of structure the podcast
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  accordingly, so that appeals to those interests and to those
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  things that you guys want. So yeah, just wanted to quickly
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  say that now, shall I get on to the main event?
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  I think so. I'm not going to leave you guys
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  like suffer that Preamble any How long have been talkin now?
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  Oh, my God, 10 minutes and in because I wanted to get that out
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  quickly. I've started speaking quicker,
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  which I've noticed is something that I do when I'm a bit nervous
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  or especially when I'm doing Vlogs or podcasts but we'll try
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  to slow it down. Yeah.
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  So skateboarding. How did it get to skateboarding?
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  Well, many of you might not know this but actually I used to do
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  skateboarding. Quite a lot.
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  And when I thought back on this topic and how I would do this
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  topic and what I would talk about it actually brought up a
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  lot of different points and and areas that I could focus on but
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  I realized especially when I've spoken to people about this in
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  the past that I actually did this for a very, very long time
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  and quite frequently and it's one of those things that in
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  later life has, you know, I've just dropped out of and it's
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  something that We'll get back into and I will get into that
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  later. But you know, life happens,
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  things happen. And, you know, sometimes your
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  hobbies just get put to one side or, you know, you forget about
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  them for a while and it's weird because skateboarding was such a
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  major part of my life growing up and influence me in so many
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  different ways. I mean, for example, when I look
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  at my music taste, a lot of the music that I grew up listening
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  to came from, you know, that's Skateboarding culture be it
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  through, you know, people that I would skate with and I would
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  find out what music they were listening to.
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  Or, you know, when I was first starting out and I was looking
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  up to people and they were like, twice my age and they had like
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  this music blaring out and I'd want to know what it was.
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  Or, you know, when it comes to like the Tony Hawk games.
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  For example, they would, they were a major factor.
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  They introduced me to so many different genres like scar,
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  Punk, hip-hop, heavy metal Rock. I mean, I was already.
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  Familiar with some of these genres anyway.
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  But they gave me a very kind of Rich mix and diverse mix of
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  music and really I think what I liked most about skateboarding
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  as far as culture is concerned, is that anyone could be a
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  skateboarder, you know, it didn't really matter.
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  What background you came from, it was this kind of thing,
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  where, you know, you could be a massive metal head and be a
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  skateboarder, you could be a punk and be a skateboarder, you
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  could be a hip-hop, only guy, and be a skateboarder, and no
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  one gave a shit. And it was at a time when, you
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  know, when I was at school and I've spoken about this in
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  previous podcasts before. But, you know, there was this
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  big thing on identity and you know, which click do you belong
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  to? It was a bit like America, I
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  suppose, you know, with like the jocks and the Nerds and all this
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  stuff but this was actually a real thing growing up when I was
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  at school and you know, I was part of, I mean, I guess at
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  school it was either you were mainstream or You were part of
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  the alternative crowd. You know, there were different
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  groups within that crowd, but ultimately, it was just one big
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  crowd, but I was into a lot of different things, you know, I
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  like to my heavy metal music and rock.
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  I liked my hip-hop. I, you know, I like
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  skateboarding. I like to playing guitar.
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  You know, I liked playing Xbox and playing football, you know,
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  I had all these different interests and it meant that I
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  was able to have friends from all different backgrounds and
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  stuff, but I really feel like skateboarding was the one kind
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  Of thing that tied a lot of those things together and you
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  know, in terms of meeting people it was a great way to do that
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  and to kind of you know, just have something that was a common
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  ground, common interest, you know.
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  I mean it's like it's like if you play football, if you're a
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  kid growing up and you're a boy or even a girl doesn't really
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  matter whatever. But if you can play football,
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  it's a great way of meeting people.
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  You know what I mean? And a lot of the time you don't
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  have to be particularly good or bad, you know, you just if
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  someone Football, you show up and you start playing right and
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  it's the same with skateboarding.
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  If you know how to skate, you know, you can just turn up to
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  any old skate park or do you even just you don't even have to
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  go to a skate park. You can just literally be
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  finding some spots around your local Hometown or whatever, and
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  start skating them. And it's funny as well.
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  I've said before how, you know, when you're a musician.
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  For example, for many years, it changes your perception of how
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  you see, you know, like, gigs and life back.
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  Bands and stuff like you never quite see it in the same way and
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  it's the same with skateboarding.
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  Like a lot of the time, I'll be walking around spots randomly
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  and if I'm not really consciously thinking I'm just,
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  you know, my mind is elsewhere. I'll be looking at spots and
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  about all that, be a good spot to do this trick or, you know,
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  that would be great to skate with and it's like even though I
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  haven't been skating and quite a few years properly, still kind
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  of see the world as like one big skate park like and Especially
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  when you know you go to places like University and stuff.
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  I mean, it's like those places are just made for skateboarding
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  and they weren't constructed with that in mind.
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  You know, the, this is what I found funny about the the games
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  actually the Tony Hawk's games because a lot of the time, a lot
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  of the pieces, like if you did the create a park thing and you
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  would create your own skate park, a lot of the pieces would
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  be like just general buildings that would have skateable Parts
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  on them. And I always found that funny
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  because that is very true of real life.
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  You know, a lot of the time you can make anything skateable and
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  this is just come back to me as well.
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  A lot of the time we would carry wax with us which is not me.
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  But I guess people that don't skate might not know this.
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  But if you're trying to grind, is what we call grind which is
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  when you see people skating on top of like a gray or a pole or
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  something like that. For an indeterminate number of
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  seconds, that's called grinding and a lot of the time when
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  you're trying to skate a surface.
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  You're you know, if actually if you're trying to skate a service
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  that is normally grinder, ball, then you will what we what we
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  call wax up that. So you would literally just rub
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  the wax on that Rail and start skating it, and it just makes it
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  easier to slide along the surface.
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  And in many cases, if you do it, if you do it properly, obviously
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  if you put too much wax on It makes it really slippery and
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  you'll just fall off, but if you do it properly then you'll
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  actually be able to skate it much easier but it takes a while
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  to get the hang of it and get and get it properly done.
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  Right. And a lot of the time at least I
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  found I'd have to wax it a little bit.
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  Do a couple of grinds on it, see how it fell and then probably
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  come back and wax it a little bit more.
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  But you could also do this for surfaces.
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  That weren't always supposed to be scattered upon and sometimes
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  it will work like if you have like a low wall or something
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  that you want to skate And if you put like enough wax on the
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  edge, you might be able to just get away with doing a grind or
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  whatever but it's funny how these things come back to you.
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  That this is how I knew this would be a good topic because I
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  literally haven't thought about that.
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  In God must be at least 10 years.
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  Is now something like that? That's crazy II.
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  Guess. I fish Ali probably stopped
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  skateboarding when I was about 17, at least, like, all the
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  time. But and then since then it's
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  been like sporadic, like every now and again like a couple of
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  times a year if that, but I think it truly ended when I was
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  at University. I guess I guess we'll work
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  backwards actually with this. Yeah we'll go.
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  We'll go backwards and just Going to quickly write that
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  down. Write that down.
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  Yeah, I lost my train of thought there.
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  Yeah, we'll work backwards. So basically I stopped
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  skateboarding around University time.
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  So I started University when I was 21.
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  So, this was about 2014 and I finished University at 20 in
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  2017, but during that time, I had a skateboard.
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  I can't remember. If I think, I brought it with
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  me. Yeah, I had some professional
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  decks leftover, and between the ages of like 17 to 21.
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  I did skate, but a lot less. Because during that time, I was
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  working full-time. I was also in a heavy metal band
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  for about two and a half years and then on a couple of other
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  bands. So music and work took over my
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  life for that period which meant there was very little time for
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  skateboarding and In the Years, prior e been such a massive part
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  of my life, but as I got older I kind of discovered.
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  I was music was a real big passion of mine and while
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  skateboarding was something that I was passionate about it.
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  You know, it was something I'd done for so long and for me, it
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  was more of a Leisure activity. Was something that I did to just
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  kind of get away from staff and not think about stuff.
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  Like that's why it was perfect. When I was at school, it was
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  just the perfect thing to do, and it's funny like you could go
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  in tired. Skateboarding, without talking
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  to anyone. It's a, is a good way to kind
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  of, expose work out your demons and it's good activity in that
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  sense because it's like, you can either do it with friends and
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  it's fun and that sense and you can play games and stuff or you
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  can do it by yourself and a lot of the time when you're
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  practicing and learning tricks, then doing it on your own is
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  important. It's like a Any other sport in
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  that sense? No football basketball.
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  Sometimes you just need to spend some time, you know, practicing
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  a particular thing, and then you come back and then you're with
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  your friends. But skateboarding is one of
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  those things that's like, you know, I think it's much better
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  when you're with people because it's more enjoyable.
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  You know, you can watch each other skateboarding and kind of
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  help each other out in that sense.
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  And there's a lot of camaraderie.
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  I hope I said that word, right. Camera, 2, camera, 3,
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  camaraderie, camaraderie. Look, it doesn't matter.
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  Doesn't matter, question, Focus. Yeah, you know I mean I can I
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  can remember I have very fond memories of many Summers,
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  skateboarding. Just whole entire Summers were
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  spent like that, you know, not all the time.
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  I would do other stuff, you know, Girls concerts festivals,
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  whatever, right? But skateboarding was a massive
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  part of my life growing up, and in particular, the summer was
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  the best time when the sun's out and you're drinking and you're
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  you know with your friends and don't have to be drinking but
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  you know I just remember there being drinking I guess it was
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  like any other teenager growing up you know you just have fun
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  with your friends but skateboarding was something that
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  we all kind of shared and worked out and we're passionate about
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  and I think that skateboarding and I'm going to talk about why
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  I love skateboarding real quick because this this is one of the
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  points are I think one of the biggest reasons that I love
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  skateboarding and always will is because it teaches you a lot of
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  life lessons. And it's funny because
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  skateboarding traditionally and not sure so much.
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  Now, but traditionally, as always been given this like
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  antisocial label like our, it's the outcast kids that do that or
• 21:38
  which troublemakers, you know, only antisocial kids do
• 21:42
  skateboarding and it couldn't be further from the truth.
• 21:44
  I mean, skateboarding. Teaches you life lessons that
• 21:48
  some all go their whole lives without learning, you know, for
• 21:51
  example, perseverance and and not giving up, you know, you
• 21:57
  sometimes you'll be learning a trick and it will take you a
• 22:02
  couple of days. Maybe a couple of weeks,
• 22:04
  sometimes you'll be spending months, maybe even years trying
• 22:11
  to master a particular trick or land a particular spot, you
• 22:15
  know? And it can be very difficult.
• 22:19
  All in terms of how it preys on your mind and and how it kind of
• 22:23
  pushes you. But also kind of defeats you you
• 22:27
  know sometimes you have entire days where you're trying so hard
• 22:31
  to land this trick and that's all you want to do is all you
• 22:34
  can think about and you just can't do it.
• 22:37
  And you know there are some people in life that will just
• 22:40
  give up and go. I just can't do it, it's just
• 22:42
  not possible. And then there are other people
• 22:44
  who just keep trying and keep pushing and that to me is kind
• 22:48
  of Of the heart of what skateboarding is at its roots.
• 22:52
  It's about pushing yourself. As far as you can go.
• 22:56
  It's about realizing what's possible.
• 22:59
  It's about actualization, you know, just realizing your
• 23:02
  potential and pushing yourself beyond that and that's really
• 23:07
  one of the biggest reasons why I love skateboarding so much.
• 23:10
  I just feel that it's, it's good, it's good, it's good.
• 23:15
  It's good for building up confidence and motivation and
• 23:19
  Use that same mentality in so many other areas of my life, you
• 23:22
  know, I never give up straight away.
• 23:26
  I try every single thing before I even contemplate, the idea of
• 23:30
  giving up and I've applied that to relationships.
• 23:33
  Friendships work, you name it. I can think of very few times in
• 23:39
  my life. I have legitimately turned
• 23:41
  around and said oh okay I give up.
• 23:44
  I like it. It takes me a very, very, very
• 23:47
  long time. Early years before I even
• 23:50
  consider such a thing and I owe that skateboarding.
• 23:53
  I think that skateboarding has done wonders for my mentality as
• 23:58
  far as that's concerned. But elsewhere, you know, I
• 24:02
  think, I think it's just a fun activity.
• 24:05
  You know, like I said before, it has a lot of camaraderie.
• 24:10
  I mean, it's something where, you know, you can just have a
• 24:14
  laugh and it doesn't really matter what age you are.
• 24:19
  Real quick. I just want to talk about the
• 24:20
  gamescape and I'm going to write this down.
• 24:22
  So I don't forget scoot just on a side note, I actually I
• 24:28
  actually do this where I, when I'm recording these podcasts, I
• 24:32
  write down ideas for future Clips because I'll probably
• 24:35
  forget, just a little, you know, idea therefore you of what I do
• 24:41
  behind the scenes. But anyway, not that you cared
• 24:44
  or asked but anyway. Yeah, one thing.
• 24:49
  Actually, I find frustrating when I listen back to myself, is
• 24:52
  how I use certain words a lot like, anyway, but I'll this I
• 24:57
  try my very best not to do that, but sometimes it's inevitable,
• 25:01
  anyway, skate, other people may know this game as horse, I've
• 25:08
  heard it be referred to as many other things.
• 25:10
  Very straightforward game letter game.
• 25:13
  Where basically you take a letter it can be, it can be paid
• 25:18
  into. Twice.
• 25:19
  Eva you take letters of skate. The word skate, according to
• 25:26
  you, Landing a trick, or you, you want to avoid taking
• 25:32
  letters. So it can be played like in that
• 25:34
  way or the other way around. I hope I've explained that
• 25:37
  properly I'll explain it again. So basically let's say we're
• 25:40
  playing a game of skate and I say, okay.
• 25:42
  Do a kickflip or Tre Flip or I don't know varial kickflip or
• 25:48
  something like Like that then I would do the trick and then you
• 25:53
  would have to land it and if you don't land it depending on the
• 25:57
  way that we're playing the game, if we're playing it in the sense
• 26:00
  that taking a letter is a bad thing.
• 26:02
  Then you would take a letter for missing that trick and might the
• 26:06
  idea would be that I would keep setting a trick so I keep trying
• 26:10
  different tricks like a 360 shuvit.
• 26:13
  Boneless inward heel flip. Maybe we'll incorporate the Park
• 26:19
  into that, you know, jumping stair sets or whatever whatever
• 26:22
  is around us but usually it just comes down to basic tricks and
• 26:27
  you would keep taking letters every time you miss and if I'm
• 26:32
  but basically as soon as I miss a trick like let's say I don't
• 26:35
  land it when I'm trying to set the trick then it will be your
• 26:38
  turn to start setting the tricks and then I would potentially
• 26:41
  pick up letters the other way that you can play.
• 26:44
  The game is obviously every time you land the trick.
• 26:47
  Then you you Get a letter and the first to get to skate wins
• 26:51
  so it's can be played either way but it's a really good way of
• 26:55
  learning new tricks. And it's also a very good way of
• 26:58
  practicing tricks as well because you're watching the
• 27:02
  other person do the trick. So you know you can kind of
• 27:06
  replicate what they're doing and that's a lot of what
• 27:09
  skateboarding is about. It's about trying to replicate
• 27:11
  what other people do but not necessarily exactly the way that
• 27:15
  they do it because with skateboarding you know you have
• 27:19
  Different stances. For example, there's Goofy and
• 27:22
  regular. I was Goofy, a lot of people
• 27:25
  tend to be goofy, but a lot of people are regular to and that
• 27:29
  just means I think it's if you're goofy, then you're sort
• 27:34
  of facing this way. If your regular, you're facing
• 27:37
  this way for those listening, that would be goofy would be
• 27:46
  Sort of facing to the left with your back to the right.
• 27:50
  And regular will be the other way around.
• 27:54
  I hope I have explained that probably, I probably haven't.
• 27:56
  Is it be much easier to show you if we were on a skate ramp?
• 27:59
  Then I could just show you what I mean.
• 28:02
  But yeah, so that's one element of it and also just the way that
• 28:06
  people ride their skateboard, you know, for instance there was
• 28:10
  this thing that I noticed when we would be skating in a park
• 28:13
  where let's say we're queuing up To have to take turns on a ramp
• 28:18
  right to do tricks off a what we call kicker which is like a
• 28:21
  small little ramp usually with like a box element to it, where
• 28:26
  you would get a run up. Basically either use the ramp as
• 28:31
  a push off or use the ramp and do what.
• 28:33
  We call an ollie to get extra air and then do a trick over the
• 28:36
  box of some description. So, basically the way that you
• 28:42
  would do, the runner-up would be a style.
• 28:45
  So some people People like I used to do this as well, where
• 28:49
  you would put the deck in front of you and you would take a run
• 28:52
  up and essentially jump onto the board.
• 28:56
  So he would actively run without the board.
• 28:58
  Jump on the board and it will give you kind of a sudden push
• 29:01
  of momentum and then you would go straight into the ramp other
• 29:05
  ways you could do. It would be if you basically
• 29:11
  kick the board in front of you, so it starts rolling and then
• 29:14
  you do the run up that way. Other people just pushed off and
• 29:17
  started, you know, skating, that way.
• 29:19
  I mean, there's different ways that you could sort of set
• 29:23
  yourself up, but, you know, everyone has their own style and
• 29:29
  that's something interesting when you're learning, tricks is
• 29:32
  your style like the way you approach it and, you know, just
• 29:35
  because one person says to do it a particular way that doesn't
• 29:38
  mean that it's necessarily the way you're going to do it.
• 29:42
  But sometimes there are certain things that are like, you know,
• 29:45
  this is like The correct way to do the trim kind of thing, but I
• 29:48
  did always learn that. Sometimes you could get like
• 29:52
  what we call more pop depending on where you would put your feet
• 29:56
  on the board. And what that means is you get
• 29:58
  like more air or more momentum. So you could for instance do a
• 30:03
  trick like a Tre flip which is a 360 flip and you could give
• 30:09
  yourself more pop by putting your feet sort of closer
• 30:12
  together and in a particular angle and you could kind of Give
• 30:16
  the trick more momentum I guess. Or you could give yourself more
• 30:20
  air and it would look more impressive.
• 30:22
  Or maybe you could do a bigger rotation, like a 180 rotation,
• 30:26
  or a 360 rotation, or whatever, the case may be.
• 30:30
  So there were a lot of different elements to this and that kind
• 30:35
  of adds to the interesting part about skateboarding is that is
• 30:40
  the fact that it's got all of these different elements that
• 30:43
  not everyone knows about, you know, everyone kind of just
• 30:45
  stinks like So it's just a couple of kids and a park or
• 30:49
  hanging around in a particular Street location.
• 30:52
  Just messing around, but there's a lot of different elements to
• 30:55
  it. There's a lot of different skate
• 30:57
  terms, as well, which I wasn't sure if I would get around to
• 31:03
  talking about but yeah, I'll throw some out there.
• 31:08
  A bail. It's more of an American term,
• 31:10
  but it means to fall over. So, most people know that in
• 31:14
  England we call it, Stack it as another way.
• 31:19
  Just stacked. He stacked.
• 31:22
  What other ones were there. I guess fail would be another
• 31:26
  one as well, he failed. But that's that's just general
• 31:29
  kind of slang pop. Like I said before, was another
• 31:34
  one I can't think of any off the top of my head.
• 31:39
  Now, that's a shame I would have done a whole clip on that, you
• 31:43
  know, there's various different slang terms.
• 31:46
  So it's like any other kind of group activity I suppose in
• 31:50
  terms of like having your own kind of lingo and way of
• 31:54
  communicating with each other and a lot of the time it just
• 31:58
  makes it easier and quicker to conversate when you have those
• 32:02
  terms as opposed to just literally spelling out being
• 32:05
  like, oh he fell over quite Me instead of saying that you could
• 32:09
  say, oh, he stacked it hard. This is so you kind of get
• 32:12
  straight away. Like, oh and like, sometimes the
• 32:16
  the slang terms would kind of imply the severity as well.
• 32:20
  So by saying that like I stacked it real hard, you've been, you
• 32:23
  know, that it was like a really serious injury whereas if it was
• 32:27
  just like, I don't know, a simple one.
• 32:30
  Then maybe it would be a less harsh term and objective.
• 32:34
  But anyway, moving it moving it forward.
• 32:37
  It just to kind of finish on on that element of talking about me
• 32:43
  why I love skateboarding. Yeah, you know I just think it's
• 32:49
  very varied sport that gets a bad rap but there's a lot of
• 32:53
  positives of skateboarding and it's never really died in
• 32:59
  popularity which is the interesting thing.
• 33:01
  You know, it's always kind of carried through the years and I
• 33:05
  think it always will. I don't think.
• 33:07
  Keyboarding will ever not be popular because it's that sort
• 33:11
  of thing. It just looks cool.
• 33:13
  It is cool like I said before it teaches you a lot.
• 33:17
  When you start skateboarding properly and you do it for a
• 33:20
  sustained amount of time, you do kind of feel like part of a
• 33:24
  group in a sense you feel kind of like part of something
• 33:27
  special. And that's a nice thing to be to
• 33:33
  feel, I mean, I can think of, you know, they're being times in
• 33:36
  my life. If we're, you know, I had
• 33:38
  difficulties growing up and you know, maybe falling out with
• 33:42
  friends or whatever and I always knew that it didn't really
• 33:44
  matter because I could always just pick up my skateboard and
• 33:46
  just go out skateboarding. You know, just go out and have a
• 33:49
  good time and not think about any of that crap, you know?
• 33:52
  And it was that kind of perfect activity that you don't look
• 33:55
  strange. If you're doing that on your
• 33:57
  own, you know where is there are some activities that some people
• 34:00
  think of strange you know if you're doing on your own like
• 34:03
  going to a restaurant on your own or going to the cinema on
• 34:07
  your Or whatever you know. And it's not weird to do those
• 34:10
  things. It's just society as made it.
• 34:12
  Such that it's considered weird but you know, skateboarding is
• 34:16
  one of those things where, you know, you can do it on your own
• 34:20
  and it doesn't matter, and it's fun.
• 34:22
  And sometimes it's better to do on your own, you know, sometimes
• 34:26
  like I said before, it can really be a healthy way to clear
• 34:30
  your mind and kind of just figure stuff out.
• 34:34
  Like, sometimes, particularly in my later years.
• 34:37
  Is of teenage years. You know, if I was at college or
• 34:39
  whatever and I just needed to just, you know, Iron Out problem
• 34:44
  this cells, having a problem with coursework or something.
• 34:48
  And I just couldn't get my head around it.
• 34:49
  I would just go out skateboarding and it kind of
• 34:53
  worked in that sense. It was a sort of thing where,
• 34:56
  you know, I could just go out skateboarding for a couple of
• 34:58
  hours, come back. And I probably have the answer
• 35:00
  that I'm looking for because I'll have a fresh mind where I
• 35:02
  haven't thought about the problem that I'm trying to
• 35:05
  eliminate or deal with. And so in that sense, I think
• 35:09
  that skateboarding is very therapeutic and just a good way
• 35:14
  to kind of address things a healthy way to address things.
• 35:17
  A good form of escapism I suppose.
• 35:20
  But yeah, I guess over the years, I just kind of fell out
• 35:24
  of touch with it because things got in the way like University
• 35:29
  finding work, relationships, whatever the case may be, but as
• 35:33
  I've kind of got more time. These days, I will be Be
• 35:38
  considering getting back into skateboarding.
• 35:39
  You know I'm doing other things like basketball right now and
• 35:43
  football again and you know I'm getting back into my hobbies and
• 35:46
  stuff so I will be getting back into skateboarding but this
• 35:49
  brings me on to my next topic. Actually, the costs of
• 35:53
  skateboards. One of the reasons why I haven't
• 35:56
  got back into skateboarding sooner is because it's very
• 36:00
  expensive to be a skateboarder and any skateboarders out there
• 36:04
  will know exactly what I mean. You Just buy a cheap skateboard,
• 36:09
  it just doesn't work that way. You can you, I mean, you can
• 36:13
  physically buy a cheap skate board but it's one of those
• 36:16
  things in life where you get what you pay for, you know, if
• 36:19
  you buy a cheap skate board, that's exactly what you're going
• 36:23
  to get and it's going to break and it's not going to ride very
• 36:29
  well. It's probably going to be kind
• 36:32
  of dangerous as well. You know, if you have cheap
• 36:35
  plastic cheap stuff cheap Trucks, you know, cheap grip
• 36:40
  tape, whatever. You know, it just cheap is not
• 36:43
  good in skateboarding. You need good quality.
• 36:46
  And I mean, at least when I was skateboarding, I remember like
• 36:52
  an entry-level deck setup would cost somewhere between 90 to 130
• 36:57
  pounds and that was just entry-level, you could get
• 37:02
  cheaper setups. But like I said, you get what
• 37:05
  you pay for and I will But getting some decks when I first
• 37:08
  started for about somewhere between 40 to 70 or 80 pounds
• 37:14
  and that was a lot for me back then being a teenager I had to
• 37:16
  save up a lot because I didn't have income so I had to save up
• 37:20
  a lot of money maybe asks for Christmas money I don't know
• 37:23
  whatever took a while to get these things and you know even
• 37:27
  if you bought these things individually like the trucks
• 37:30
  that Wheels, the grip tape whatever, you know, they were
• 37:34
  expensive in of themselves. So getting a full Deck and deck,
• 37:38
  literally refers to the whole setup.
• 37:41
  So, when you say bored, you're literally just referring to the
• 37:43
  board. Whereas, when you say deck, it
• 37:45
  includes the board. The wheels, the trucks, you were
• 37:51
  looking at a lot money and you know, when I look at the ones
• 37:56
  that I spent a lot of money on, they lasted me many, many years,
• 37:59
  you know. I think in tow all I probably
• 38:04
  had Between four to six major setups.
• 38:10
  And I used to swap trucks and wheels quite often and change
• 38:14
  things up here and there. But, you know, I didn't have
• 38:17
  that many and it's because, you know, you would look after your
• 38:21
  stuff because of how expensive it was, you know, you wouldn't
• 38:24
  take it lightly when mess around sometimes things happen, you
• 38:28
  know. Like if you're grinding a ramp
• 38:30
  and the board just randomly snaps in half and sometimes
• 38:33
  things are unavoidable, you just have to buy.
• 38:35
  A new board or sometimes your trucks have just had it after
• 38:39
  awhile. I can remember one time Skating
• 38:42
  a ramp and I had this. I'd had this set up for a very,
• 38:45
  very long time. Like the board was new but the
• 38:50
  the trucks were old. I'd had them for about two or
• 38:52
  three years. And I used to alternate decks or
• 38:55
  sometimes I bring out my old set, sometimes I bring out my
• 38:57
  new set and a lot of the time I would have multiple Decks at
• 39:01
  once. So, maybe one deck would be have
• 39:04
  a slightly faster setup. Whereas one might have better
• 39:08
  hand ability or maneuverability and what that would they had
• 39:11
  this thing where, you know, depending on how loose you
• 39:16
  tighten your bolts, you could have more kind of give in terms
• 39:19
  of how you turn on the board. So sometimes I would do, I would
• 39:23
  have like one board that's easier to turn and more focused
• 39:26
  on on that. And then another board that's
• 39:28
  like really tight and just focused on pure speed.
• 39:33
  And I remember I bought this deck out.
• 39:35
  That was cool. It just needed an update, I
• 39:37
  needed new trucks and wheels but I just had no money at that
• 39:40
  time. You know this poor teenager and
• 39:43
  yeah I was skating. The ramp just you know what we
• 39:48
  call pumping which is where you're just going back and forth
• 39:51
  for a ramp, basically bending your knees.
• 39:54
  When you kind of get to the middle of the ramp, on the other
• 39:59
  side, you kind of push your knees down to give yourself more
• 40:02
  momentum so that you get to the other side and you kind of
• 40:05
  replicate Each way. And if you do it enough, you can
• 40:08
  create enough speed where you can kind of start tricking off
• 40:12
  the top of the, what we call the coping, which is the metal Rail
• 40:15
  and the top of the ramp. So you can do things like what
• 40:18
  we call lip tricks where you do tricks on that or you can grind
• 40:23
  the rail like I said before or sometimes you can even do what
• 40:26
  we call vert tricks where you're basically doing tricks in the
• 40:30
  air like what so Tony Hawk does. But sometimes you just you just
• 40:35
  want to kind of, you know, like a lot of the time when I would
• 40:37
  walk into a skate park that would be the first thing I would
• 40:40
  do. I would just walk over to the
• 40:41
  ramp and just pump in the ramp for like 10 minutes.
• 40:46
  I guess it's a kind of like a warm-up thing, not always but
• 40:50
  it's a good way to kind of just stretch your legs without just
• 40:53
  standing around. You know, actually doing
• 40:55
  stretches. And when I was a teenager, you
• 40:58
  know, being cool was was really important.
• 41:00
  Now, I couldn't care less, but back then.
• 41:02
  Cool. So if I just walked into the
• 41:04
  skatepark doing stretches, maybe I would have thought I would
• 41:07
  look weird but by doing that pumping I guess I wasn't weird
• 41:11
  in my mind at the time. But anyway I'm skating on this
• 41:15
  ramp and probably doing it for about five minutes.
• 41:20
  And to this day, this is one of the weirdest things I've ever
• 41:22
  seen the front truck basically just fell apart.
• 41:27
  Completely all the bolts Wheels everything did like the truck
• 41:31
  essentially snapped in half and the wheels and the bolts and
• 41:35
  everything just fell apart in different directions and I kind
• 41:39
  of just skidded down the ramp and fell over and I didn't hurt
• 41:44
  myself. But I do just remember just
• 41:47
  slowly skidding down. And a friend of mine saw this
• 41:49
  and was like, what happened? And I showed them the truck and
• 41:52
  they were stunned because it was just something that you don't
• 41:55
  see. Normally normally, when you
• 41:58
  Bored. You know you snap the deck in
• 41:59
  half or a wheel goes missing or something but all you lose a
• 42:03
  bowl or something. But this was literally the
• 42:05
  truck, a metal object snapping in half.
• 42:10
  I just I remember thinking that are this.
• 42:12
  This must be poor quality because it's just that sort of
• 42:15
  thing doesn't normally happen. So quality is important in
• 42:18
  skateboarding people but elsewhere, you know, a lot of
• 42:24
  the time when you're buying You know, various startups, your you
• 42:29
  are paying Brands, you know, if you're getting custom decks,
• 42:33
  like a replica decks from well-known skateboarders,
• 42:36
  they're going to be more expensive but a lot of it does
• 42:41
  come down to Brands and paying more for brands in general.
• 42:45
  So if you're paying for brands that are not as well known, then
• 42:50
  you're probably going to pay a bit less compared to like the
• 42:54
  major brands like say knees. Or sort of DC.
• 43:00
  These are more shoe brands but they all do skateboard and stuff
• 43:03
  as well. What else?
• 43:07
  Let me think. Let me think birdhouse that's.
• 43:11
  That's the one that Tony Hawk set up girl.
• 43:17
  God there's so many element. That's the one that bandage it.
• 43:19
  My Bam Margera. So whatever let those major ones
• 43:24
  major. Professional decks tended to
• 43:26
  cost more and they Will cost even more?
• 43:28
  Like I said, if it was a particular skateboarders,
• 43:31
  signature deck and you would pay even more money.
• 43:34
  But it's one of the few, few things in life, where, you know,
• 43:39
  you pay good money, you'll get good quality or last you a long
• 43:42
  time, but you have to be careful and sensible with your with your
• 43:48
  deck, like you can't go. I mean, this is kind of obvious
• 43:50
  to anyone. That's been skiing for a while,
• 43:52
  but you can't go, like, skateboarding in the rain, or
• 43:55
  like, leave your skateboard in the Because it will Rust and
• 43:59
  you'll damage the deck. So, you got to look after your
• 44:01
  skateboard and sometimes I would see people have actual skate
• 44:05
  bags. And I never personally owned
• 44:07
  this. Like, I just used to have a
• 44:09
  rucksack and then I would do this thing where I would stick
• 44:13
  the skateboard on the bottom. I don't you call him ridges or
• 44:18
  something. So basically it would hang off
• 44:20
  the bottom of my backpack. So if I don't want to carry it
• 44:23
  on my side, I would have it hanging off the back and I look
• 44:27
  Kind of cool. You see a lot of skateboarders
• 44:29
  do that, especially if they're riding a bike, then you'll see
• 44:31
  them do that. You know, it's just, it's just
• 44:35
  kind of ease of use sometimes. But yes, occasionally, you'd
• 44:39
  have skateboarders that would have those, you know, skate bags
• 44:44
  where it's literally just a bag that you can put the skateboard
• 44:46
  in and carry it around. This is kind of weird, to be
• 44:51
  honest. But you know, I guess if you can
• 44:56
  afford that it's kind of Useful. I never saw the appeal, I think,
• 45:00
  even if I did have the money, I'll probably wouldn't have
• 45:03
  bought it but, you know, each to their own each to their own but
• 45:08
  yeah, you know, skateboards are very costly.
• 45:12
  So that's that's my thoughts on that but you know, we've covered
• 45:17
  why I stop skateboarding and now you know why it you know what's
• 45:21
  holding me back. So one day I will get back into
• 45:24
  it and you know skateboarding is for anyone.
• 45:27
  One of any age so you can always get back into it but yeah
• 45:32
  skateboarding is one of those things where it is like riding a
• 45:36
  bike in the sense that you don't ever forget.
• 45:38
  But you do have this period. When you haven't done it a long
• 45:41
  time where you need to just spend a bit of time getting used
• 45:44
  to it again. So like if you give me a
• 45:46
  skateboard now, I wouldn't feel immediately comfortable.
• 45:52
  I would know what I was doing, but I would need a bit of time
• 45:56
  too. I suppose, like break it in.
• 45:58
  It's kind of like having a new pair of shoes, you know, you
• 46:00
  don't feel immediately comfortable, you have to break
• 46:02
  them in but also, you know, everyone's skateboard is
• 46:07
  different. So sometimes, You would give
• 46:11
  each other again, Travis decks, and you'd be like, hey, you try
• 46:13
  this out, see how it feels, and you just wouldn't like it.
• 46:16
  And it's the same in sent in the, in the sense that it's the
• 46:19
  exact same thing that you're riding.
• 46:22
  But the other person has a different set up to you and it
• 46:24
  feels different and maybe their setup just isn't comfortable for
• 46:27
  you. So you just immediately would
• 46:30
  feel uncomfortable and wouldn't necessarily be able to skate
• 46:33
  with the same confidence that you would be able to on your own
• 46:36
  deck and I always found that really interesting but maybe it
• 46:40
  was a sign. Logical thing, maybe not, but
• 46:43
  like I said before, everyone had different salps in terms of like
• 46:46
  maybe one deck is stiffer. One is looser, you know,
• 46:49
  whatever the case may be, but let's let's go to the beginning.
• 46:53
  Why I why I got into skateboarding, where did it
• 46:56
  start? So I was 11 years old.
• 47:01
  I just started school, I high school.
• 47:04
  This was and you know, I was big into my heavy metal and rock
• 47:08
  music and stuff. So I was dressing with these
• 47:10
  terrible. Herbal clothes.
• 47:12
  They were awful, even looking back.
• 47:13
  Now, at least later on, I was wearing more normal.
• 47:17
  Nice good clothes, but back then it was eleven year old kids.
• 47:21
  It was like these big long. If you can imagine this, I
• 47:25
  turned up to a skate park on my first time wearing really super
• 47:29
  baggy jeans, like goth. Like jeans with chains on the
• 47:32
  side and then these total 90 trainers, which were a variant
• 47:40
  of Nike trainers that were very popular in the early 2000s.
• 47:44
  The very good. I still to this day, I think
• 47:46
  they're great trainers, but yeah, I was wearing those with
• 47:52
  very strange look. And then one of those like,
• 47:56
  weird shirts that they had in the early 2000s, probably like a
• 48:00
  flame show or something horrible like that and probably like a
• 48:03
  band. T show is a very, very weird
• 48:05
  look and you know obviously all the older kids there and some
• 48:09
  adults their will Wearing like normal skate, where, and here's
• 48:13
  me in this, this other kid who looks like a punk, like, you my
• 48:15
  friend who got me into skateboarding, looked cool.
• 48:18
  And the funny thing about that was the guy that got me into it.
• 48:22
  Stop skateboarding off when we first became friends.
• 48:26
  So we were skateboarding together for a little bit.
• 48:29
  He'd introduced me to this thing.
• 48:31
  I kept doing it because I was interested in it and I wanted to
• 48:34
  get better and he just kind of stopped stopped being
• 48:37
  interested. Got into other things, and then
• 48:39
  eventually, we stopped being friends.
• 48:40
  For various reasons just how it is.
• 48:43
  But I always found that interesting because, you know,
• 48:44
  he got me into this thing and then stopped being interested in
• 48:48
  it. Whereas skateboarding for me has
• 48:50
  remained a big part of my life for all these years.
• 48:53
  You know, I've never not liked skateboarding, and I don't know
• 48:56
  if that guy even remembers that or even thinks about that.
• 48:59
  But to me, that was a very Defining moment of my life I
• 49:05
  guess, you know because I mean it became such a big part of my
• 49:09
  life and still is. And like I said, sort of earlier
• 49:12
  in the beginning, its influence, so many things that I have done.
• 49:16
  And the way that I live my life and the way I think so that to
• 49:20
  me, that initial introduction to skateboarding was such a big
• 49:23
  thing. But I can remember the scene,
• 49:27
  like, you know, I was there. I had my skateboard.
• 49:29
  All right. Maybe I didn't even own a
• 49:30
  skateboard. I think maybe, at that point.
• 49:33
  I Powering my friends skateboard and once I kind of discovered
• 49:37
  what it was, I was like, I want to do this and I got a
• 49:39
  skateboard afterwards. I think that might have been
• 49:42
  what happened there, but I remember there were a lot of
• 49:46
  like older kids there or not kids, but they were either in
• 49:50
  their late teens or early 20s. And I was this impressionable,
• 49:53
  11 12 year old and I you know it was like anything.
• 49:57
  You know you want to hang with the cool kids.
• 49:59
  You want to be around the older kids because it's cool.
• 50:02
  You know, it's like if I go to the bar Basketball court.
• 50:04
  Now, they'll always inevitably be young kids, that will be
• 50:07
  looking up to us and want to play with us and stuff and it's
• 50:10
  just how it is. You always inspired by people
• 50:13
  older than you. I think it's just humans in
• 50:16
  general, but I was really, I thought it was really cool and
• 50:19
  they were really cool as well. They would speak to us, they
• 50:22
  would teach us and stuff like really nice people that were
• 50:25
  very generous with their time, and I really appreciate that
• 50:29
  because it really helped when I was first skateboarding learning
• 50:33
  those initial Kind of lessons, you know, telling me about what
• 50:37
  the sort of skateboards. I should get what I should look
• 50:39
  out for how to scale all of these things, but, yeah, that's
• 50:44
  kind of how I initially got into it.
• 50:46
  I was just introduced by a friend and then I just kept
• 50:48
  showing up like many other things in life, I just kept
• 50:51
  practicing and kept trying and I wouldn't stop.
• 50:54
  You know, I would fall over 100 times.
• 50:57
  I think realistically, it probably took me about three
• 51:01
  months to get comfortable on the board and probably Six months
• 51:04
  before I was like, actively doing tricks and like things
• 51:09
  like that, I remember dropping in was a very big deal as it is
• 51:13
  for. Every skateboarder dropping in
• 51:15
  is fucking scary as hell. And the ramp that I decided to
• 51:19
  drop in on wasn't a small ramp. I mean, it was probably can't
• 51:26
  really give you anything to scale, but if you think that I
• 51:29
  was an 11 year old kid, then it was probably like three times
• 51:32
  the size of me at that point. And I dropped him when I was
• 51:35
  about 12. So about a year of skateboarding
• 51:38
  and it's like any other day. I remember, you know, standing
• 51:43
  there for like 20 or 30 minutes people skating around me.
• 51:47
  People telling me like, just go, go, go for it and people
• 51:50
  eventually get annoyed because you're just taking forever.
• 51:54
  But eventually there's this thing that goes off in your head
• 51:57
  where you're just like fuck it and you just go for it because
• 52:00
  you think what's the worst that could happen.
• 52:01
  I'm not going to die, maybe I will.
• 52:03
  But Probably not the worst will happen is I fall over, and if I
• 52:08
  remember correctly, I dropped in and I think I made it.
• 52:16
  I made it the first time but only just like I nearly fell
• 52:19
  over. I wasn't comfortable but when I
• 52:21
  first did it I got this feeling of just pure excitement.
• 52:25
  I was super excited. It was like thrill-seeking like
• 52:29
  skateboarding. You know, it's an extreme sport
• 52:31
  and just like I guess The closest thing I can compare it
• 52:35
  to is like when you go on a theme park ride for the first
• 52:39
  time and you get that feeling in your butterflies, in your
• 52:42
  stomach, like you just super excited and I don't know super
• 52:46
  anxious or something and that's exactly how it was.
• 52:49
  And I just immediately wanted to do it again and because of that,
• 52:52
  because I kept doing it, I kept getting better, and I got to a
• 52:55
  point where it just became second nature.
• 52:58
  And that's kind of the reality of skateboarding.
• 53:00
  You keep doing things you get comfortable and eventually Lee,
• 53:03
  you don't even think about it. You just know how to do am.
• 53:06
  I guess it kind of becomes like muscle memory after a while you
• 53:09
  get so familiar with it, your body kind of adjusts and you
• 53:13
  don't even really think about it.
• 53:14
  You just think I'm going to do this trick and you do it and
• 53:18
  it's only really when you're learning that you're kind of
• 53:21
  more thinking again and thinking like, how do I do this?
• 53:24
  Do I need to pop my body more this way?
• 53:26
  Do I need to do this more in this direction?
• 53:30
  But a lot of it, I would say is muscle memory.
• 53:33
  And just on the topic of, of dropping in, I remember the
• 53:38
  second time was even more scarier learning to drop in
• 53:42
  because I actually have dropped into a professional.
• 53:45
  Vert ramp, one of my favorite skate.
• 53:47
  Parks growing up was the skate park called Basics T6, which is
• 53:51
  in London. I've spoken about this before in
• 53:53
  a previous podcast but just to recap it's a skate park located
• 53:59
  underneath a bridge near a train or like Is right next to a train
• 54:05
  yard going into London. But yeah, underneath a massive
• 54:10
  bridge. Probably like a highway or
• 54:11
  something and this is Great Skate Park.
• 54:14
  It's been there for many, many years.
• 54:16
  I remember when I was going there, it was sponsored by
• 54:19
  PlayStation and Xbox. So there was like a little mini
• 54:23
  room in the Middle where you could go and play like, Xbox
• 54:26
  games and Playstation games when you were having a break.
• 54:29
  But we were all there to skate really, to be honest, I remember
• 54:32
  there will be there. Those bleachers as well.
• 54:34
  We're your parents could sit and watch you skate.
• 54:37
  And I remember one time, my mom came and watch me skate, which
• 54:40
  was pretty cool, and she even enjoyed it surprisingly even
• 54:45
  though. Actually, no, she watched me
• 54:46
  scared a few times. I do recall her coming to the
• 54:49
  skatepark once or twice, when I was very young to watch me
• 54:53
  skate. Obviously, when I got older, I
• 54:55
  was embarrassed and I didn't want her around.
• 54:57
  Sorry Mom, that's how it is when you're growing up.
• 55:01
  But yeah, it was a good skate park.
• 55:03
  It was built out of woods and they had a lot of different cool
• 55:08
  things you could skate on and they're always changing it and
• 55:11
  building it and I'm sure it looks very different from what I
• 55:14
  remember but it was a good skate park and I think one of the best
• 55:17
  parts of bad, it was that it had different levels depending on
• 55:22
  your expertise like how professional of a skateboarder
• 55:26
  you are. So if you're a full-on
• 55:27
  professional, it would work for that.
• 55:29
  If you're a beginner. They had ramps for that.
• 55:32
  I mean, see the beginners ramp is at the beginning, literally,
• 55:35
  at the start of the park and then direct from that is the
• 55:38
  professional massive ramp. So it's like the two ends of the
• 55:42
  spectrum and I remember dropping into that vert ramp was one of
• 55:46
  the single, most terrifying things I've ever done in my
• 55:48
  life. It will, I can't explain how big
• 55:52
  this ramp was. It was probably the size of the
• 55:56
  three-story house. Maybe a bit big of a nut Again
• 56:02
  waited for a while before I did it.
• 56:04
  But eventually I dropped in and then a few times after that I
• 56:08
  kind of got the hang of it, I never fully got the hang of it,
• 56:11
  but I was just happy that I dropped in and did it.
• 56:13
  It was this sort of weight off my shoulders.
• 56:17
  Like I did it. I did it.
• 56:18
  I landed it. That's all that matters.
• 56:21
  And a lot of skateboarding is that as well as just being able
• 56:25
  to say to yourself like I did this I pulled it off despite
• 56:29
  people And I couldn't do it or despite it being a really
• 56:33
  difficult thing to do. I still did it go me?
• 56:35
  Yes, I don't know. That's a fun part of
• 56:39
  skateboarding. It's a logical, but it's logical
• 56:41
  at the same time. It's everything in between.
• 56:44
  But yeah, that that brings me on to my next topic which is worst
• 56:50
  fools and worst injuries. I was very lucky when it came to
• 56:53
  skateboarding. I never had any massive injuries
• 56:56
  or anything that was life threatening, but There were
• 57:00
  times when I was incapacitated, is probably the best way to put
• 57:06
  it. I remember one time in
• 57:09
  particular, I fell badly on a ramp, and I had a nagging injury
• 57:14
  sort of, in my legs, I always had bad knees because of
• 57:17
  skateboarding, which of healed since.
• 57:20
  But you know, there was a lot of pressure.
• 57:22
  Put on them and you fall over Every Which Way but it's very
• 57:26
  common to like, break legs or arms or whatever, but I never
• 57:29
  did touch. I would but I never do but there
• 57:34
  were kind of times when I would fall over and damage those
• 57:38
  niggling injuries that I had and this one particular time, I had
• 57:42
  a developing injury in my low back.
• 57:45
  Fell badly on the ramp one day and for the rest of that day, I
• 57:51
  couldn't walk properly which was really scary.
• 57:53
  I managed to go home, but I couldn't walk properly for like,
• 57:57
  two weeks I could sort of just about I'll get by, so I could go
• 58:01
  to school and stuff, but I was in immense pain, which meant I
• 58:03
  couldn't do pee or anything like that, which was very tricky to
• 58:07
  get out of, but I was actually genuinely sick for one.
• 58:10
  So, I was actually had a genuine reason why I couldn't do PA.
• 58:13
  So, whereas, normally I would just make up excuses.
• 58:17
  But yeah, it was it kind of sucked it when you're injured,
• 58:22
  it really sucks like not being able to skate for a while.
• 58:25
  You just, you know, you really want to get back to it because
• 58:28
  it's one of those things that you do all the time.
• 58:30
  And to suddenly not be able to do, it was really frustrating
• 58:34
  and I just wanted to keep doing it.
• 58:37
  So I was at didn't wait long. I think I waited like about a
• 58:42
  week and a half started skating realized I couldn't do it waited
• 58:47
  two or three more days and then I realized I could skate with
• 58:51
  that pain. So I just kind of, you know,
• 58:54
  even took some pair of seat and more took a bunch of energy
• 58:57
  drinks and just got through the pain and eventually the pain.
• 59:00
  Just went away anyway but I wouldn't recommend that.
• 59:02
  I think if you have an actual injury from skateboarding, take
• 59:05
  the time to rest, you don't want to end up with long-term
• 59:09
  injuries. Just take the time to rest, come
• 59:12
  back to it, that's my advice. But yeah, otherwise I was pretty
• 59:16
  lucky. You as far as injuries are
• 59:18
  concerned, a lot of the time, I would just kind of fool very
• 59:21
  hard because I was really into doing, like, stare sets and
• 59:25
  doing jump gaps and stuff. That was kind of more my thing
• 59:29
  like just clearing. Air and then doing that kind of
• 59:31
  stuff. There were a few times when I
• 59:34
  fell pretty badly like smash my face are poor, like hands is
• 59:38
  always a big one because obviously when you fall over
• 59:41
  your natural inclination is to put your hands out.
• 59:44
  So if you fall over when you're on a skateboard, you know, you
• 59:47
  kind of fool and you're dragged across the floor and often
• 59:51
  you're falling onto like, you know, really hard pavement or
• 59:54
  something, so it just scratches up your skin and you have like
• 59:58
  skin, missing everywhere. Blood everywhere and shit, but
• 1:00:02
  he kind of get used to it. But I would often turn up to
• 1:00:06
  school with like plasters all over my hands and stuff and
• 1:00:09
  maybe I won't be able to write properly for a week or
• 1:00:11
  something, but it was worth it, but yeah, moving on some of my
• 1:00:19
  best tricks favorite tricks. I think one of my favorite
• 1:00:22
  tricks to do was this trick called a fakie 360 shuvit.
• 1:00:28
  So it's basically You be skating in the opposite direction to
• 1:00:32
  what you're used to. So if I was Goofy, I would skate
• 1:00:35
  regular and I'll be facing backwards and I basically jump
• 1:00:40
  and do a 360 rotation. Whilst also doing what we call a
• 1:00:45
  shove it, which is where you pop the board, and it goes either in
• 1:00:48
  a 180 rotation or a 360 rotation or it can also go in like, five,
• 1:00:53
  4720. If you're in, like a bigger ramp
• 1:00:55
  or something but stationary, generally you go for like 180 or
• 1:01:00
  Or 360. And what I liked about this
• 1:01:03
  trick is it was essentially like a 360 360, so you're turning and
• 1:01:06
  doing a 360 and popping the board and doing the 360 at the
• 1:01:09
  same time. So it's a really good trick to
• 1:01:12
  do. If you land it, when you're
• 1:01:15
  playing like a game of skate because not many people could
• 1:01:17
  land it very effectively and a lot of the time, I would only
• 1:01:21
  land it when I had a good enough kind of run up other tricks.
• 1:01:25
  I liked were more like Freestyle ones old school like boneless.
• 1:01:30
  I've really liked doing a 360 boneless, like, if I got enough
• 1:01:33
  speed, it was a really cool trick, especially if you did it
• 1:01:36
  off of a ramp or something, you get like a lot of air.
• 1:01:39
  And, you know, there were some people that were against doing
• 1:01:43
  old-school, flatland, tricks and stuff, but I always thought that
• 1:01:47
  they had a place in skateboarding and it was just
• 1:01:49
  fun to pop here and there and you are even one games of skate
• 1:01:53
  actually by only during old freestyle tricks.
• 1:01:56
  So I think there's a lot to be said for older.
• 1:01:58
  Styles of tricks. Other than that yeah probably
• 1:02:03
  just shove it in general. I really like that trick.
• 1:02:06
  Even to this day it's a pretty easy trick and it looks cool and
• 1:02:10
  it's just a nice trick to do, you know?
• 1:02:14
  Because not everyone can do flip tricks straight away, you know,
• 1:02:16
  they take time to master but 180 pretty much anyone can get that
• 1:02:20
  and master that even if they haven't been skateboarding for a
• 1:02:24
  very long time, favorite places to skate, while I mentioned
• 1:02:29
  Basics tea, Excels, probably one of my absolute favorites.
• 1:02:32
  But apart from that, it was probably some of my local skate
• 1:02:36
  parks. There was a skate park in a
• 1:02:38
  place called Harrow, which if you're a Londoner, you might
• 1:02:41
  know which was entirely made of concrete and it had like I
• 1:02:45
  remember this big massive bowl at the back that they called up
• 1:02:50
  peanut, which went into the ground and was really scary
• 1:02:54
  because one was a smaller hole and then one was a much bigger
• 1:02:58
  one. So you sort of Of skate into the
• 1:03:00
  smaller one and then get loads of speed and go into the bigger
• 1:03:04
  one, or you could be even crazier and drop in like sort of
• 1:03:07
  roll into the bigger one and go into the smaller one.
• 1:03:11
  But I suppose the biggest Roar about that skatepark was, it was
• 1:03:14
  all entirely made of concrete. I mean, there is wooden ramps
• 1:03:17
  there now as well, which is cool, but the the concrete
• 1:03:22
  element was something different that we weren't really used to,
• 1:03:25
  because a lot of the skate parks around my area were built from
• 1:03:29
  Pure metal. Unfortunately, which metal sucks
• 1:03:32
  to ride on? I just think.
• 1:03:34
  Skateboard. Skateparks should always really
• 1:03:36
  be built from wood metal. Skateparks just sucks especially
• 1:03:39
  in the summer. If you're skating in the summer
• 1:03:41
  and you fall over and like maybe you don't have a shirt on, then
• 1:03:45
  you get burnt to death of Court. Even if you are wearing a shirt,
• 1:03:49
  if you just fall over in your hands, go on the ramp that it's
• 1:03:52
  you know, it's hot metal. So it's gonna burn you.
• 1:03:56
  So metal is just is not fun at all and it hurts.
• 1:03:59
  It's obviously to fall and I mean, it always hurts to fall in
• 1:04:03
  skateboarding, but it hurts less when you're falling on.
• 1:04:07
  Would, if, if the wood is well-maintained, obviously if
• 1:04:11
  it's not, well, maintained then it's also equally dangerous
• 1:04:15
  concrete, obviously was super painful to skate on, but these
• 1:04:21
  were like more old-school 80s, style ramps, and, and bowls and
• 1:04:27
  stuff. And they had this thing called a
• 1:04:28
  snake run, which I really liked That didn't really require any
• 1:04:32
  particular skill other than being able to, you know, I
• 1:04:38
  suppose ride on your board, well and balanced well and you
• 1:04:42
  basically it. The reason it's called a snake
• 1:04:45
  run, as it looks a bit like a snake.
• 1:04:46
  So it kind of twists and bends like that and it gets bigger and
• 1:04:49
  no gaps between get wider and wider.
• 1:04:52
  So basically you almost doing like a sort of a wall ride kind
• 1:04:56
  of thing the fervor in you get into the snake. and when you get
• 1:05:01
  to the end, it's like really, really big and you'll really
• 1:05:03
  deep in the ground and I really just like that because of the
• 1:05:06
  speed you'd get and the ability to just control the board
• 1:05:11
  successfully, the whole way through I thought that was
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  really fun and I really enjoyed doing that other than that other
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  favorite skateparks you know I mean there wasn't that many it
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  where I grew up there were a few here and there but like they a
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  lot of the I'm they were too small so I guess.
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  Yeah, the favorites were for me that that concrete one in Harrow
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  and basically six, but a lot of the time I would just skate
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  streets. I really enjoyed doing that ice
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  skating University and local spots near me.
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  I'd always just look for places in various spots that I would go
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  to or areas around London and just skate them and that was
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  equally as fun. And so in Anyways, kind of even
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  more fun because sometimes you could, you could look at a spot
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  and not necessarily think that it's a skate worthy spot but you
• 1:06:08
  could still skate it. You know, like when I was at
• 1:06:10
  University that happen like we didn't really have any skate
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  parks around us but I found someone else that was into
• 1:06:16
  skateboarding and we decided to kind of skate around our local
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  area. We managed to find spots near
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  that car parks and stuff that had actually good stuff to grind
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  on and do tricks off. So, There's a certain amount of
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  innovation involved with skateboarding and creativity as
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  far as what I said earlier in the podcast about being able to
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  kind of visualize what you can achieve in a particular location
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  as far as skateboarding's concerned.
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  But I suppose the more, you know, with skateboarding and the
• 1:06:50
  more tricks you can do and we're confident that you are the more
• 1:06:54
  you're going to be able to do in locations in general.
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  So yeah, bringing this all to a close.
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  It has been a fun little podcast about skateboard.
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  How long have we been was going to say skating then about an
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  hour? Yeah, that's that's what I
• 1:07:12
  thought it would be skateboarding.
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  I mean, I think it's something that's worth getting into.
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  I think everyone should have a pun there, you know, the only
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  thing I would say about skateboarding is that you need
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  to persevere in the Stages. If you're going to take it
• 1:07:29
  seriously, it's going to take you a long time.
• 1:07:32
  I mean, bear in mind, the bulk of my skateboarding happened
• 1:07:36
  between the ages of about 11 to 17 and I was going out and
• 1:07:41
  skateboarding every single day, like every day after school
• 1:07:47
  sometimes before school. A lot of the time I would finish
• 1:07:51
  school and go straight to the skate park.
• 1:07:52
  That was for a good couple of years every single day.
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  That's what my life would be. Go to school.
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  Go to the, Skate park, go to school, go to the skatepark,
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  wake up early on a weekend, go to London and scale, or go to my
• 1:08:04
  local skatepark and skate. There was a lot of just Practice
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  practice practice. And I kind of amazed that I got
• 1:08:12
  up really early and did that because it's the sort of thing
• 1:08:15
  that, you know, it takes a lot of perseverance, and motivation
• 1:08:21
  and strength to be able to push yourself to do that.
• 1:08:23
  And I don't think everyone necessarily has that patients
• 1:08:27
  and will, I guess to do it and skateboarding is not the sort of
• 1:08:32
  thing that you can just get good out overnight.
• 1:08:34
  It takes a lot of practice and You know, a lot of people give
• 1:08:40
  up initially and a lot of the time when I hear people talk
• 1:08:42
  about giving up, they say, oh yeah, you know, it was too
• 1:08:45
  difficult is too hard. I just couldn't do it and it's
• 1:08:47
  like, you have to stick with it. You have to do it.
• 1:08:51
  I would say, for at least, at least, six months before you
• 1:08:56
  start getting comfortable. You know?
• 1:08:58
  That's, that's when I started getting comfortable.
• 1:09:00
  It was very frustrating in the beginning.
• 1:09:01
  Watching everyone else really didn't really, really good.
• 1:09:05
  And here's me, this kind of greenhorn who sucks.
• 1:09:08
  But, you know, skateboarding, if nothing else kind of gave me
• 1:09:11
  this understanding that anything that you work at in life, you
• 1:09:15
  can get to the very top and you can get very good if you put
• 1:09:19
  that time and work and effort in.
• 1:09:21
  You know, it's exactly the same for me with music with learning
• 1:09:24
  guitar, like I was utterly useless when it came to Qatar.
• 1:09:27
  When I first started, I'd say it took the better part of a year
• 1:09:31
  to be able to even play a decent tune.
• 1:09:34
  Whereas now I feel really comfortable, you know, I've been
• 1:09:37
  playing music for many Is writing and playing in various
• 1:09:40
  projects and stuff. But people I hear people say the
• 1:09:44
  same thing all the time when it comes to that they're always
• 1:09:46
  like, wow, you know you can you can play guitar.
• 1:09:49
  That's amazing. I could never do that.
• 1:09:51
  And I always say, no, that's bollocks, you can do anything.
• 1:09:54
  If you put your mind to it and you put the time in that's the
• 1:09:57
  important thing. You got to put the time and the
• 1:09:59
  effort in to get to that level that you at first for is not
• 1:10:05
  possible. You know, I had the same thing
• 1:10:07
  with skateboarding in same thing with music, same thing with
• 1:10:10
  everything I've done in my life. You know you start at the bottom
• 1:10:14
  and you work your way up and and the learning never stops you
• 1:10:16
  know, skateboarding. You could be the best
• 1:10:18
  skateboarder ever and they'll still be tricks that you don't
• 1:10:22
  know, or don't learn. I mean even all don't know how
• 1:10:25
  to do just yet. I mean even skateboarders like
• 1:10:27
  Tony Hawk, who's been at the heart, very height of
• 1:10:30
  skateboarding for generations and is done, probably everything
• 1:10:34
  there is to do even he's learning tricks, like I Was in
• 1:10:38
  his 50s now, you know that there's always new stuff to be
• 1:10:42
  learn and new grounds to be broken and I guess that's just
• 1:10:48
  the fun. The fun of skateboarding in
• 1:10:49
  general is, you know, there are many different people doing it
• 1:10:53
  for lots of different reasons. But if nothing else, it's fun,
• 1:10:57
  it's enjoyable and it's a great way to escape and to push
• 1:11:02
  yourself. And I think that's the main
• 1:11:04
  reason I wanted to talk about skateboarding so much on the
• 1:11:07
  podcast because It was a big sub part of my life and it will be
• 1:11:10
  in again in the future. When I finally get the money
• 1:11:13
  together and start skateboarding again, it will be a big part of
• 1:11:17
  my life again, but it was a massive part of my life growing
• 1:11:22
  up. Like I said I was, I was really
• 1:11:23
  addicted to it, and I spent many an evening and summer doing it.
• 1:11:28
  And I met all kind of ones of wonderful people and did all
• 1:11:32
  sorts of cool, fun things during that time, and I have very fond
• 1:11:36
  memories of those days. And I'm glad I'm able to talk
• 1:11:40
  about it on this podcast and speak about that big passion of
• 1:11:44
  mine. So yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed
• 1:11:47
  hearing about that. Maybe you learn something, you
• 1:11:51
  know, feel free to ask me questions for a future podcast
• 1:11:56
  and potentially we can have them in the beginning of the podcast
• 1:12:00
  doesn't matter. If it doesn't relate to the
• 1:12:02
  topic that I'm talking about, that's absolutely fine.
• 1:12:05
  But I'm always open to receiving questions.
• 1:12:08
  As for the podcast, if you know, if we don't have them at the
• 1:12:12
  beginning of the podcast, we can have them for a future episode
• 1:12:15
  of ask Christian, which occasionally me and Dutch deals
• 1:12:19
  will do. But yeah.
• 1:12:22
  Anyway, I hope to all my listeners on YouTube Spotify.
• 1:12:27
  Apple podcast wherever else. You're listening to the
• 1:12:29
  Christian. We have podcast that you enjoyed
• 1:12:31
  this podcast. I hope it was informative.
• 1:12:34
  I hope that you got something out of it, you know, I hope it
• 1:12:36
  wasn't just me rambling. You listening and thinking what
• 1:12:39
  the hell is this guy talking about?
• 1:12:42
  I hope that you got something from this and that it was
• 1:12:44
  enjoyable because it was fun for me to reminisce and talk about
• 1:12:48
  this passion of mine. And I think that's the biggest
• 1:12:51
  reason that I love doing this podcast so much is that I get to
• 1:12:55
  talk about things that I'm passionate about, or, you know,
• 1:12:59
  put my thoughts out there, tell you what, I think about certain
• 1:13:02
  things and see what you think about it.
• 1:13:05
  So yeah, drawing it to a close. Close.
• 1:13:08
  Thank you so much for listening again.
• 1:13:11
  Thank you for always listening and supporting the podcast.
• 1:13:14
  It means a lot to me. And yeah, it's going to keep
• 1:13:17
  this train a-rollin, see where we go.
• 1:13:19
  So thank you so much. And until next time, peace out.
• 1:13:24
  One love. I see you in the next one.
• 1:13:27
  Ciao.