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“Free Palestine” Fallout, Meta Accused of Harvesting Faces & Air Travel Gone Wild | TMI Ep 461 · The TMI Show with Ted Rall and Manila Chan

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you Think hello only to rumble At this point
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it is the TMI show the Ted Manila information
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show I am Manila Ted is on his potty break producer
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Robbie working in the background So it is Tuesday
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September 15th. We're halfway through the month
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in case you guys missed it a little housekeeping
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We are this week starting our new two times twice
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weekly show schedule Tuesdays and Thursdays 10
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a .m. Because we are there's Ted so we are sorting
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out Some kinks and stuff because we are we are
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dropping the the rumble creator program Because
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they are screwing all the the creators that don't
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have full, you know broadcasting contracts with
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them We being one of them whatever the creator
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program meant Robbie is gonna fix all the other
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stuff because The kinks in the software are not
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um playing ball. We're working it out Yeah, and
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also stream yard is not pulling over the rumble
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chat, which is awesome hmm So we'll have to figure
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those things out, but anyway are we on YouTube?
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No, the stream exploded so what I'm gonna do
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is I'm going to premiere this on YouTube as soon
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as the live stream as a live Yeah, yeah So we
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got some housekeeping there to figure out. But
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again, the new schedule for the foreseeable future
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until we figure out algorithms and all of that
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will be Tuesday and Thursday, 10 a .m. Eastern.
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And then, of course, with the focus shifting
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over as reluctant as I am to YouTube, because
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we have no other options, you'll be able to find
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each individual segment. So each news topic that
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Ted and I and Robbie sometimes all fight about.
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There will be four independent standalone segments.
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So you can find that particular topic that's
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in the live stream show. You can scroll through
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our description and find the topics that you're
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interested in and you'll be able to find that
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on YouTube as a standalone video. So there you
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go. That's some of the changes we're working
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through and we'll figure it out in the coming
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weeks. So we thank you. We're sticking with us
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and coming here at 10 o 'clock, like the old
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days last week. So with that, as Robbie's sorting
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things out in the background, there's no other
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way to do it other than live, Ted. So true. This
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be it. But anyway, this is going to give us more
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views than our normal show anyway. So there you
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go. All right. With that, any other housekeeping
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we should mention, Ted or Robbie? No, no, okay.
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We're gonna go straight into the topics All right,
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so first things first Palestine talk however
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It's not what you think Macklemore if you guys
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follow entertainment media Macklemore is a fairly
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famous musician. He got dropped from the Ed Sheeran
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tour after a pro -Palestinian speech. Macklemore
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has been dropped from the remaining U .S. dates
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of Ed Sheeran's Loop Tour, following backlash
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over his pro -Palestine statements at MetLife
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Stadium in New Jersey. During two September performances,
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the rapper told the audience he wanted to use
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some of America's largest stages to say two words,
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free Palestine. Then he performed Heinz Hall,
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or is it Hinz Hall, his 2024 protest song about
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the war in Gaza, while images of Palestinian
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destruction and American campus protests appeared
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on stadium screens all around. The remarks drew
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condemnation from the Israeli -American Council,
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the Anti -Defamation League, otherwise known
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as ADL, and other organizations. Critics accused
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Macklemore of presenting a one -sided account
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of the war and promoting rhetoric they considered
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harmful to Jewish concertgoers. Tour promoter
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Messina Touring Group said several stadiums refused
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to host concerts with Macklemore on that lineup.
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His removal prevented the possible cancellation
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of those shows altogether, affecting hundreds
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of thousands of fans. Macklemore had been scheduled
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to open eight of Ed Sheeran's remaining 10 U
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.S. dates. Macklemore blamed much of the pressure
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on New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, whose
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company owns Gillette Stadium. Kraft responded
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that Macklemore's recent performances and past
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imagery crossed a line into rhetoric He considered
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offensive to the Jewish community craft Bob Kraft
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himself is is Jewish Macklemore maintains that
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criticism of the Israeli government is not criticism
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of Jewish people Sheeran has not publicly addressed
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the dispute Macklemore described the decision
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as a painful disagreement between longtime friends
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But said losing the tour would not change his
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opinion the controversy review revives a very
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old argument Should musicians just stick to music?
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Now, historically, many never have. Billie Holiday
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confronted racial terror with strange fruit.
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Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger sang about workers,
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poverty, and war. Nina Simone responded to racist
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violence with Mississippi G -Damn, you know,
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the actual word, not. We can't say it because
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of YouTube Bob Dylan Marvin Gaye Crosby stills
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and Nash and Young supplied soundtracks for civil
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rights and anti -war movements later generations
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followed public enemy NWA challenging police
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and racial inequality rage against the machine
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one of my favorites attacked corporate and government
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power the chicks formerly known as the Dixie
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chicks opposed the Iraq War and they paid a heavy
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price for it. Conservative artists have also
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used music politically, including Lee Greenwood,
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Toby Keith, and country performers who champion
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patriotism, the military, and so -called traditional
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values. Music has long carried political ideas
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because songs travel farther than speeches, but
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a stadium tour is also a multi -million dollar
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business involving promoters. venue owners, sponsors,
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and of course ticket buyers. Macklemore exercised
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his voice. The people controlling the stages
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exercised theirs. The fight is over who gets
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the microphone and who gets to pull the plug.
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So Ted, you and I, I think between the two of
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us have gone to quite a few concerts in our day.
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Yes, we have. And why Why was it that in the
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days of yore, you know, we're talking about when
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before streaming came into existence, we talked
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about this last week. Why were musicians allowed
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to say the things they said? I mean, like we
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said, going as the article cites, going as far
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back into history as Billie Holiday. Why now
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is it suddenly unsavory for Macklemore to say
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two words, free Palestine? Well, it's hard to
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know what was going through Robert Kraft's mind,
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but let's try to give him the benefit of whatever
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doubt there is here, which is to say, okay, so
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in the same way that Macklemore thinks that it's
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his ethical obligation or duty to his own free
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speech to express himself in support of the people
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of Palestine, Kraft might be thinking, listen,
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there's no genocide and I'm pro -Israel and I'm
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not going to let my space, my venue that I own,
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be used to express these thoughts that I find
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offensive. And so I suspect that's what happened
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here with you know, that's with Kraft. He's like,
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well, it's my space, you know, I don't have to
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allow anyone to do that. I think in the past,
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there was more. I mean, obviously, censorship
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is not new. You can ask the Dead Kennedys about
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that. You know, you can ask the, you know, Tipper
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Gore about that. Censorship of music has been
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with us for a long time. Elvis Presley, you know,
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I mean, but it's I think there was more of a
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sense among concert promoters and venue managers
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that like, listen, it's not really our place
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to put our thumb on the scale here. Like we just
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provide a space and people want to rent it, we
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rent it and they can have our concerts. There
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was more of that sense. And like, I think now
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people are more emboldened to say, well, I'm
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not going to allow maybe they're not as desperate
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for the money. There's fewer places to perform.
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Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's the nature
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of this particular conflict in that, like, you
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know, the people who Zionists seem to be resorting
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a lot more to censorship than other people with
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right -wing political ideologies Zionism is a
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right -wing political ideology and I think it's
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because They've really run their arguments that
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used to work Don't work anymore. I mean they
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fall flat. Nobody believes that criticism of
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Israel is the same thing as anti -Semitism. Nobody,
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nobody believes that it's a lie to say that there's
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a genocide going along, going on. And, you know,
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nobody believes that Israel is behaving ethically,
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right? So basically most moral army in the world.
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I was just going to say that. All that shit,
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all that shit just falling apart. So I think
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that when you don't have good arguments or counter
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arguments, Then you basically just start screaming,
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shut up. And that's what they're doing here.
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Right. I mean, it's it's literally like a sign
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of weakness on the part of the Zionist cause.
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They're on the way out. You know, you lost Israel
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screwed. I mean, we're done with the Ellison's
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trying to run defense. Obviously, you know, the
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Oracle people, the Ellison family buying up all
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of the different. uh forms of media all the different
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mediums right from tiktok to cbs to paramount
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slash sky dance i hate that i hate that i actually
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kind of like the name sky dance it's it's ridiculous
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it's like it's like the lord of the dance what
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what it's so gay i kind of like it but but you
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know on on that note it's the same as bob craft
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here saying Gillette Stadium is mine. It's my
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house. I don't like what you're saying. So you
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can't come in. So I get that that's his right.
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I get it. It's his legal right. It's just that
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it's like a legal right he shouldn't exercise.
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I mean, of course, obviously, you can push this
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logically. Let's say you were having a pro -Nazi
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rally. I mean, yeah, Madison Square Garden hosted
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a pro -Nazi rally. uh one time i think it was
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in the 30s uh that for the german bund um you
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know so it's like yeah it's like well they were
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like hey those those reichs marks will you know
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they spend just as well as the dollars um so
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i think that But let's just say, you know, you
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had like a stadium and it's like, well, would
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you rent it out to the KKK? Probably not, right?
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So that's probably what Kraft is saying. Like,
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similarly, I don't have to rent it out. He doesn't
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have to. And it's like, and like, here's the
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thing, you don't have to do that. But everybody's
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going to look at Kraft and say, okay, well, you're
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a fascist. And that's okay, too. You know, I
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mean he's a fascist. I look at Bob Kraft and
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I think Asian massage parlor He was in trouble
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a few years ago, you know happy ending massage
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place and Contributing to human trafficking if
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those charges are in fact to be believed That's
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what I see when I see Bob Kraft, but you know,
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that's just me Asian lady Some of the viewer
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comments Tara pretta wild says same reason in
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living color I loved that show, could no longer
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get shown on TV. We're in the censorship age.
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Well -dressed nerd says, I'm pretty sure Zionism
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is what's going through Kraft's mind. Yeah. Yeah,
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I think that's a fair assessment. So I think
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we're there now, Ted, because on the face of
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it, calling everybody an anti -Semite doesn't
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work anymore. So now you just have to resort
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to saying, I'm taking my ball and I'm going home,
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or I own the basketball court, or I own the hoop.
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You take your ball and go home. I'm taking the
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hoop down and nobody can play. That's basically
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where we're at now, at that stage. So I don't
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know where it ends, Ted. I mean, at some point,
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there are going to be enough artists that...
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Stand up together and say you know what we're
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gonna break free of this and we're gonna say
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what we want to say I Think in the same way that
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we saw, you know in the early 90s With movies
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like boys in the hood and and rap groups like
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NWA Really really pushing the envelope and forcing
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that into Like the the mainstream discourse.
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It's already become the me. I mean Ted We've
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been at this for three years now, you know, the
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the October 7th anniversary is coming up This
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is coming on three years. It has become front
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and center Mainstream discourse it hasn't gone
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away. It hasn't abetted or abated. So At what
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point do these Bob Kraft types do they just say
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I Enough artists are going to say we're not going
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to do tours with you. We're just not going to
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go. Well, it's too pronged because, you know,
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we know about how, you know, there's a lot of
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geofencing going on around churches, you know,
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where they're trying to get people to go to church.
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I'm actually assuming that you're a Zionist.
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state legislature. Tuesday, September 29th at
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7 p .m. I will not be there. But this is the
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point though. It's controlling the venue. It's
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two -pronged. So they cancel people who they
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don't like and then they try and go out the artificially
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astroturf based on what they consider to be a
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friendly venue which let's be honest most evangelical
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churches are going to be and that's how they're
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doing this. Israel might be on its way out but
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there's still a lot of fight left in that dog
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and I do not see it ending anytime soon. Yeah,
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that that's gonna that's gonna suck because I
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think a lot of a lot of musicians Who who some
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happen to be Jewish themselves are standing up
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against this war And I don't know who wins here
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Ted the musicians or the billionaires who own
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the venues who wins I Don't know I mean, it's
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hard to say. I mean, I think I think normally
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speaking, the musicians are the ones who get
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who win things. The musicians are the ones who,
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you know, have access to the public. Nobody's
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nobody's a fan of a concert venue. Right. I love
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Madison Square Garden. What are you talking about?
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Yeah. Yeah. I don't I think ultimately that's
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what's going to win. So you think the musicians
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I yeah, I think so too because I think now You
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can't put the toothpaste back in the tube right
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like you if the if if Enough musicians banded
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together Ted. We could see something like a live
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aid Right where they don't need a Gillette Stadium
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where they don't you know, they don't they don't
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need a stadium for this They can go find You
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know basically get a permit to use like a piece
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of a national park or something You know, you
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know what? I mean, you can get a big plot of
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land they can throw in their own money and They
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can reach the public directly and say this is
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where you donate. This is how you tune in This
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is how you know and they can pay for it that
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way and they can get their message across I don't
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think Venues can beat the musicians in 2026 If
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the if the musicians had enough balls and they
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can band together, they could do themselves a
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brand new Live Aid style concert benefiting Gaza
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and they could have their free speech. And I
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think that would really kind of socket to the
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Bob crafts of the world and concert promoters
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like Live Nation or whoever. That'll send a pretty
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strong message. I think so unless they're their
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their agents Right, like I'm talking about their
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you know, like they're booking agents their agents
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rein them in I don't think there's any other
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way but remember The agents work for the talent.
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The talent doesn't work for the agent people
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often forget that role They can tell their agents
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if their agents try to shut them up to go shove
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it up there Who has and put together their own
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live aid so I would like to see that happen Honestly,
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there's enough people that that know what's going
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on that would support this So I hope that's what
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happens. I hope Macklemore stands up and says
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hey, how about that idea Manila had let's have
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a live aid for Gaza All right, let's go to the
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next topic Meta is facing a proposed class -action
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lawsuit accusing the company of using Facebook
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and Instagram photos to train AI and facial recognition
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systems without the knowledge or consent of the
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people pictured. Parents and kids in Illinois
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and California filed their lawsuit in federal
25:04
court in Chicago. They allege Meta extracted
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biometric information from uploaded photos to
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train its EMU and use image generators and develop
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Name Tag, an unreleased facial recognition feature
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for Meta's smart glasses. Wired magazine previously
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reported that Name Tag code appeared inside the
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glasses companion app, which had been downloaded
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more than 50 million times. The system was reportedly
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designed to convert faces seen through the glasses
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into biometric signatures and compare them with
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stored face prints. Meta removed the code after
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Wired's report and says no consumer feature was
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released. The plaintiffs argue that unreleased
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does not mean unused. Their lawsuit could represent
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millions of people whose faces appeared in photos
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uploaded since September 2021. Under Illinois
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law, intentional or reckless biometric privacy
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violations can carry damages of $5 ,000 each.
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Meta calls the lawsuit without merit and says
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it's been transparent about using information
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to improve it to AI. The company also says it's
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not building a universal facial database. This
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case differs from a growing collection of copyright
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lawsuits against AI companies. The complaint
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here is familiar, nevertheless. Companies allegedly
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took valuable material first and worried about
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permission later. Comedian Sarah Silverman sued
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OpenAI and Metta in 2023, alleging that their
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systems were trained on unauthorized copies of
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copyrighted books, including her memoir, The
26:45
Bedwetter. Although Silverman's comedy career
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and routines are often mentioned in coverage,
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her legal claims focused primarily on her written
26:53
work. Courts later dismissed or narrowed portions
26:56
of those cases. Authors George R. R. Martin,
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John Grisham, and Jody Picot have also accused
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AI companies of using copyrighted books without
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authorization. Visual artists have sued over
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image generators. trained on their work while
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music publishers have challenged the alleged
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use of protected song lyrics. The legal issue
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is still unsettled. Technology companies argue
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that analyzing massive data sets to teach AI
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patterns qualifies as fair use. Creators argue
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that Copying entire works without payment or
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permission is industrial scale infringement.
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Metta's latest lawsuit adds another layer because
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a face is neither a novel nor a song. You can
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rewrite a book or record another performance,
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but you can't replace your biometric identity
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after a company has converted it into data. That's
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grim, Ted. Can we trademark our own faces? Do
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we have to trademark our own faces? I mean, I
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know it's buried in the terms of service like
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when you agree, you know occasionally you'll
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get an email from Facebook or Instagram or whatever
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that says an update to our TOS click here to
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view it and then it's like 10 ,000 pages of TOS
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I'm sure it's buried in there that says we are
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gonna use your face to train our AI. We're gonna
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use your baby's face and As you keep posting
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your children's faces, we're going to teach our
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AI how faces age, how faces mature, and how children
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grow. They stealthily include that in the terms
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of service, and we unwittingly play along by
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continuing to use it. I don't even know that
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they offer opt -outs. And I don't I've never
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seen because I do look I don't read word for
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word I mean I skim but I what I'm looking for
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is an opt -out which is largely why um I don't
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post zero pictures but I seldom post pictures
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online because I don't consent I don't want meta
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to have my kids faces I don't want to give them
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a footprint I don't want my brand new baby who's
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been alive for four months for Mark Zuckerberg
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to be scanning all her pictures over the years
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and seeing how she ages and whatever and One
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not ask my permission and two we're not being
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compensated for it and and God only knows you
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know when the AI overlords take over What happens?
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You know then what happens when they have all
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of our biometric data? What happens when they
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decide to zero you out for the you know AI space
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lasers to beam down and shoot you? in the year
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2040. I know it sounds like I'm making fun and
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it's wacky, but if you're listening to what the
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AI innovators will say, our warning about the
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death and destruction of humanity with AI, this
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isn't a far -fetched idea. And this is just the
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tangible argument against. the AI overlords here
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is your family pictures. This is something tangible.
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And I think this is a great thing that California,
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it's rare that I compliment my home state, but
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it's a good thing that California is doing this.
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And I think more states need to get on top of
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this because they are training their data or
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sorry, their AI on your children's faces. There's
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just something creepy to me, Ted, about using
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It's one thing to use the mom or the dad, the
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adult, right? But it's another thing to steal
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children's faces. There's just something morally
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incompatible to me about, you know, why this
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is okay. I don't know, what do you think? No,
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I agree with you. I think it's also, I mean,
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look, honestly, they shouldn't be using anybody's
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faces. adults included. You know, if you do a
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TV show in Hollywood, you get separate checks,
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you get a check for writing an episode, you get
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a check for and you get a check for something
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called life rights, if it's a based on a memoir,
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if it's based on your life. And you get there's
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been a lot of litigation that says that you control
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even if you're a public figure, you still get
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to control your visual image. Like, for example,
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people can't appropriate your face in imagery
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in ways that are unauthorized. And so I think
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there's a legal basis for challenging. I think
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that like people's faces, you don't copyright
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or trademark your face, but you do have some
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legal courts have found that you do have the
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right to control how your fate, the image of
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your face is used, especially by a for -profit
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corporation. And so I think there's probably
32:12
a place to There's probably some kind of legal
32:17
remedy here that an enterprising law firm could
32:21
come up with. I didn't know. So when these biopics
32:28
come out about, I don't know, let's say Elvis
32:29
Presley. Well, he's dead. When you're dead, you
32:33
lose it all. Oh, really? Yeah. So the estate
32:36
can't control it? They can try, I mean, but it's
32:41
like really hard at that point. But so, like,
32:44
let's say they want to do a Ted Rawl biopic.
32:49
It would be wise for them to probably reach out
32:54
and try to negotiate consent because I could
32:58
tie them up in court. Because you are the owner
33:03
of that face. I'm a public figure. They can certainly
33:08
do a Ted Rawl biopic if they want to. I don't
33:12
know why they would. But if they did, they would
33:16
need to... They could use images that had been
33:22
published and get permission from the people
33:24
who published them. But if they try to... All
33:30
sorts of contexts in which, for example, they
33:32
might not be able to just use like take a screenshot
33:35
from this show and then put it on the poster
33:38
of for the movie. That kind of thing might not
33:41
be allowed. But for the purposes that Zuckerberg
33:47
is using it for meta. Well, he's screaming your
33:50
children. Yeah. Your children's faces. Well,
33:55
that's what's going to be determined here. What
33:57
this is related to is more similar to all the
34:01
intellectual property that's been scraped to
34:03
train AI, right? So is that a copyright violation,
34:07
right? Is it a copyright violation not to reprint
34:13
or republish the material, but to use it in order
34:18
to train AI. And that's what the courts have
34:21
to grapple with now. AI from which you will then
34:24
make a profit once you release your model, right?
34:27
And like you, you're gonna, it's a, it's a profit
34:30
tool. It's not, it's not, we're just training
34:33
AI for fun at Metta. Like we're just experimenting.
34:37
They're gonna, they're gonna use it as, as a
34:40
product to sell. And incorporate into all their
34:44
other products, right? So it's it's not free.
34:46
It's not a pro bono thing. It's even if it was
34:48
I still don't think It's right that they should
34:52
have the ability to do this just because we use
34:55
their their platform because that was not the
34:57
original Similar to how rumble did to us When
35:02
we signed up to and agreed to be a content creator
35:05
They promised us one thing and then two years
35:10
later we're getting another You know a different
35:14
it's not the same promise anymore same thing
35:17
with with meta and Now they're like, okay We
35:21
have an AI company all of your photos that you're
35:23
sharing with friends and family across the world
35:26
We're we're now able to use that because it's
35:29
included in the terms of service. You should
35:30
have read it. Haha. So now I guess we got a route
35:35
for California and Illinois to set precedent
35:37
and and at the very least protect children Mm
35:42
-hmm at the very least if not the adults too.
35:45
I hope it's all of us But at the very least I
35:48
hope it's to protect the the little kids like
35:50
you should not be able to scrape faces of minors
35:53
like this is It's it's it's just morally reprehensible
35:58
to me. I just know I agree with me about that.
36:04
Oh Yeah, besides the legal parts Ted, I mean
36:07
I'm glad you cited the legal stuff I just like
36:10
God, when you think of Mark Zuckerberg, you're
36:12
like, dude, you have children. Like, how... Where
36:18
do you park your ethics when you walk into, you
36:21
know, one Facebook way? Like, at what point do
36:25
you drop it off on the I -5 before you get to
36:29
the Facebook HQ? Like, he knows full well just
36:36
because you can do it doesn't mean you should
36:38
do it. And that's the problem here again. It's
36:41
it's the same argument that we're we're having
36:43
earlier about um, but i'm not sure he can do
36:46
it to be honest Can do what i'm not sure he can
36:50
legally scrape? Um without authorization people's
36:55
images No, no, that's what i'm saying. I'm glad
36:57
you brought up the legal point i'm just saying
37:00
where in his mind As we presume a human and a
37:05
human father of human children just because he
37:10
has the ability to do it, why would he do it?
37:14
Well, and why not just pay, right? Like why not
37:17
just pay? We know why not pay, we know why. Well,
37:20
they have the money. I mean, my point is, let's
37:23
just say you could be like, seriously, they could
37:25
have paid like 10 bucks per image of a kid to
37:31
the parents and just been like, you know, do
37:33
you remember the... The Nirvana Nevermind album
37:36
cover case where it's a baby and the baby's like,
37:40
it's kind of photoshopped to make the baby look
37:42
like he's swimming and chasing a dollar bill,
37:45
right? It's a comment on capitalism. And the
37:48
baby grew up and basically said, hey, I never
37:52
gave consent for my nude. image to be uh you
37:56
know showed and my parents were okay with it
37:59
but i wasn't because uh you know and now i want
38:01
to be paid and so you know he he sued the record
38:05
company and the band i think they had to they
38:08
paid to settle if memory serves but i think so
38:11
but the point is that like it reminds me of that
38:15
sort of like okay so you could have that issue
38:17
where it's like the the kids could be like well
38:19
you know okay mom and dad didn't have the right
38:21
to sell my image when i was six or whatever but
38:24
you could easily at least try. Like, hey, offer
38:27
20 bucks to every parent who's willing to sell
38:31
their kid's photo. They didn't even try to do
38:33
that. They just took it. I suspect just by paying,
38:37
most people would have been okay with it. You
38:39
know? Right. I think at the very least what Zuckerberg
38:43
could have done in, if we're going to enter the
38:47
realm of having some remote semblance of ethics
38:51
is send a plainly worded email to all the Facebook
38:56
and Instagram users and say, hey, we're going
39:00
to scrape your images, including your children,
39:04
to train our AI. Plain language, that's it. But
39:08
not even that. It was done in secret, covertly,
39:12
and it got discovered, and now they're getting
39:14
sued. So that's the story. Bad ethics, Zuckerberg,
39:19
bad. All right. So Ted, this is a story you sent
39:30
me. Women apparently still prefer men who earn
39:33
more. A new dating survey finds money may not
39:39
buy love, but it apparently remains part of the
39:42
job description. A survey from AI driven matchmaking
39:46
service. So a dating service called Keeper. It's
39:50
all powered by AI. Keeper found that only 11
39:54
percent of women said their ideal partner can
39:56
earn less than them. By comparison, 61 percent
40:00
of men were comfortable with a lower earning
40:03
partner. Put another way, 89 percent of women
40:07
still preferred a partner who earned at least
40:10
as much as they did, while 39 percent of men
40:13
expressed that preference. The survey covered
40:16
9630 mostly heterosexual keeper users who completed
40:22
marriage preference questionnaires between July
40:25
1 and September 8. The article lists 6 ,251 male
40:30
and 3 ,401 female respondents, although those
40:34
figures total 9 ,652 rather than 9 ,630. So something's
40:41
wrong there in the math, but either way, that's
40:44
what keeper says. Income changed the answers.
40:48
Among women earning less than $50 ,000 annually,
40:52
10 % would consider a lower earning ideal partner.
40:56
That figure doubled to 20 % among women earning
40:59
at least $250 ,000 a year. The pattern was similar
41:04
among men. 57 % of those earning $50 ,000 or
41:07
less accepted the idea of a partner earning less.
41:12
Among men, making at least $250 ,000, that share
41:17
rose to 79%. Preferences, however, were rarely
41:21
absolute requirements. According to Keeper, only
41:23
about 1 in 200 users, or that's 0 .5%, listed
41:28
financial expectations as non -negotiable. Just
41:32
1 in 1 ,000, or 0 .1%, specified the exact earnings
41:39
threshold. The article also cites a 2023 Pew
41:42
Research study finding that wives earning more
41:45
than their husbands had tripled over the previous
41:49
50 years. Still, 55 % of American households
41:52
had a male breadwinner compared with 16 % led
41:56
financially by a woman. Another study cited in
41:59
the article found that husbands whose wives supplied
42:02
at least 70 % of household income nearly are
42:06
faced nearly two and a half times the risk of
42:09
serious psychological stress. Keeper reports
42:12
roughly 1 .6 million signups and claims that
42:16
one in 10 first dates arranged through their
42:19
service resulted in marriage. Wow. So money is
42:23
seldom an official deal breaker, but when people
42:26
describe their quote ideal relationship, the
42:29
traditional male provider model remains remarkably
42:33
hard to. Get rid of Ted and I got a look at this
42:38
cartoon. Feel free to comment Can you put this
42:41
cartoon up into on the screen? So I did this
42:45
cartoon. I did this cartoon a few weeks ago.
42:47
It showed up I guess two weeks ago on August
42:50
26 on my birthday And it was based on some conversations
42:55
I've personally overheard, as well as a bunch
42:59
of stories I've read about upper income, successful
43:04
women who complain that they have a hard time
43:07
finding, and I hate this term, quality men. And
43:11
basically, you know, it's very imbued, deeply
43:14
imbued with classism. And, you know, and basically
43:19
I got all sorts of pushback from women who said,
43:23
and of course the usual white knight like dudes
43:26
who, you know, are like, oh, I'm like, I'm total
43:29
feminist, you know, and also please have sex
43:32
with me. I mean. The guys that wear the, the
43:35
future is. Is female shirts? Oh, gosh. May they
43:38
all die in pain. As my son said, really wisely,
43:43
he said, white nights are the worst because they're
43:45
sheep's and they're wolves in sheep's clothing
43:47
because they literally are just gross guys who
43:50
are like pretending to be allies. But really,
43:53
they're just like sucking up in order to fool
43:55
women into thinking that they're like, you know,
43:58
Alan Alda, sensitive new age guys. Right. But.
44:03
Anyway, so this cartoon is about that. And basically,
44:05
it's like two women talking. One says, I beat
44:08
all the guys and got into a good college. Then
44:09
I beat the dudes and got a good job. Then I beat
44:12
all the men all the way up the corporate ladder.
44:14
Now I'm lonely. How come? I can't find quality
44:17
men. And I mean, and the whole point here is,
44:20
okay, so there are these women who have won.
44:24
They have done very well for themselves. Great!
44:27
That's fantastic. Feminism needed to result in
44:31
that. But, okay, so now these women, they're
44:34
like, well, you know, they're not gonna, they
44:36
still, as this survey shows that you just read
44:40
Manila, many of these women, the reason they
44:43
can't find quality men is because they want men
44:46
who earn, still earn more than they do. Well,
44:49
here's the thing, guys. You won. You're rich.
44:54
Okay? And so being rich means that most people
44:58
don't have as much money as you and therefore
45:01
if you don't want to be lonely you're gonna have
45:03
to quote unquote settle for someone who doesn't
45:06
have as much money as you because you know you're
45:09
rich and I mean like Jeff Bezos didn't think
45:14
I need a guy a lady who earns more than I do
45:18
uh you know Elon Musk doesn't think he needs
45:20
ladies who own who earn more than he does Lauren
45:25
Sanchez for Jeff Bezos for his heart for rich
45:29
rich people are You know rich dudes. I mean,
45:33
you know, historically the vast majority of rich
45:35
people have been dudes Rich dudes, you know,
45:38
they kind of understood this like well part of
45:40
the advantage of being rich is, you know, I don't
45:43
really need to split the bill. I can cover the
45:47
trip to Athens. I can cover the $300 dinner.
45:54
I've got that. And all my friends can come along,
45:58
male or female. And so that's why this whole
46:05
mentality, it's not even about being resentful
46:09
of these women. That's not it. It's more just
46:11
like hey ladies who are like this you're being
46:15
dumb like date you know there's like lots of
46:19
great working class blue collar guys who would
46:23
love you adore you be good to you um you know
46:26
be do all the things tick all the boxes for you
46:30
you don't need a guy with money because you know
46:33
you have money You're good. And it was just kind
46:38
of like, hello, stupid. And so they, but they
46:41
were all denying this. And online they were saying,
46:43
oh, it's bullshit. It's not really true. Like,
46:47
you know, like, like when women say they want
46:49
quality men, what they mean is a guy who takes
46:51
out, helps out with the chores and is an equal
46:54
partner. And this poll shows no, that's bullshit.
46:58
That's not true. That's not what the when women
47:00
say they mean they want quality men. They what
47:04
they're talking about is a euphemism. It's a
47:06
euphemism for class. Right. It's classist bullshit.
47:10
So, you know, yeah, because of well, Ted, through
47:14
through, you know, eons of it's I don't know
47:18
if it's innate. I mean, who can say if this is
47:21
innate or not, but through at least Thousands
47:25
of years of social engineering because men controlled
47:29
the money because men controlled society the
47:32
world They they had all the money so after thousands
47:38
of years of civilized worlds telling women that
47:42
you know, the only way you can have a secure
47:45
life is by Finding a man that can provide right,
47:49
but you amplify that by today's FOMO, Instagram,
47:57
TikTok lifestyle culture. This is what you get.
48:01
This is what you see. The women that you're drawing
48:04
about here. And look, I have been a well -to
48:07
-do woman. I have been a poor woman. Back and
48:09
forth, back and forth. Because as you know, Ted,
48:11
that's what journalism does to you. I've been
48:14
those things, but not a woman. Although the days
48:17
the day's short, you don't know the days young
48:20
they could change Ted. It's a long life. You
48:22
never know you can never know join me on this
48:24
side But look I've been both of those things
48:29
I've been somewhere in the middle and Income
48:34
I know In my in my cognitive mind, I know income
48:39
is not the alpha and the Omega For that reason
48:45
was because you know in the times where I I wasn't
48:47
starving right were the times where I'm doing
48:50
pretty good You know, I would like somebody more
48:53
or less In my range. They don't I don't have
48:56
to make more than them because there were times
48:58
where I was making a lot of money but it's just
49:02
ingrained into women to feel like that is a sense
49:06
of security, but when I'm able to think about
49:08
it like I don't I didn't need my My spouse to
49:12
be or my partner, I guess in this case to be
49:14
the breadwinner. Is it helpful when you are like
49:19
in my case now, I got laid off two years ago,
49:22
right? And then health problems and a surprise
49:25
baby late in life. Does it help that my husband
49:29
is the breadwinner? Absolutely, absolutely. Like,
49:34
I mean, do you have to tighten the purse strings
49:36
and stuff? Sure. But his income was not relevant
49:41
to us dating or getting married. Was he smart?
49:49
Sure. Was he a beefcake? Yes. He made me laugh.
49:55
That was enough for me. He had a steady job.
49:57
That was enough for me because at the time I
50:00
was making a lot of money. So it didn't matter
50:03
to me. He had a steady job and he was smart and
50:08
hunky and made me laugh. and things clicked.
50:12
That was all that was relevant to me. I've dated
50:14
rich men, I've dated poor men. I mean, and by
50:17
rich, I mean very, very, very rich. Like helicopters
50:22
over, you know, from Nice into Monte Carlo, right?
50:29
Like staying in Villa, I mean, that kind of rich.
50:33
And that still didn't... It's not the Alpha and
50:37
not the Omega like I said for for women that
50:39
have their own they need to consider that you
50:43
know that that if you have your own and the only
50:47
next step up is somebody that's gonna you know
50:49
transport you by helicopter from going from one
50:52
vacation spot in Nice down to to Monaco by helicopter
50:58
you're talking about a thin sliver of men and
51:02
Even still you might find it empty as I did So,
51:08
but sure. Do they need to have a stable job?
51:12
Sure. But these women in the upper echelon, I
51:16
know plenty of them, Ted. I know plenty of these
51:18
women that, I can't find quality men. You're
51:24
not looking in the right place, sweetheart. Yeah.
51:26
Yeah. And it's like, also, I hate that term.
51:29
Can you imagine if guys use the term quality
51:33
woman? They do though. I've never heard that
51:37
do they I'm not saying I would say Really? Yeah.
51:43
Yeah, I would today I would say today it's actually
51:46
very very prevalent in like the youngest of the
51:50
Millennials into the eldest of the disease They
51:56
turn they because remember nowadays it's the
51:58
men who want to get married the young men want
52:00
to get married and I hear them saying they can't
52:03
find a quality woman and by their definition
52:05
of quality woman They're talking about not only
52:08
does she have to have it all right like have
52:10
at least a steady job She has to be smart. She
52:13
has been all these things, but she also has to
52:15
have the ability to be a trad wife also That's
52:19
she has to have she's all the things I don't
52:23
know. I mean, I just never heard the term quality
52:26
woman. I mean, no, it's a thing. The young men
52:29
are saying that now. Really? I just don't like
52:32
it. Well, I hate it. Both terms. I mean, because
52:35
it's like the implication is that there are people
52:37
who who are low quality. Like, basically, it's
52:42
like assessing, commodifying human beings like
52:45
they're like they're a Like a like a like a model
52:49
of car or like, you know, any kind of consumer
52:52
product. I mean, it's it's depressing. Well,
52:56
some know it has to be like a car. Some people
52:58
do suck. I mean, there are some people who don't
53:02
work. There are some people who are drugs or
53:04
druggies or people who are alcoholics. There
53:06
are people who are grifters. There are people
53:08
who will just who are leeches and will just latch
53:12
on and just suck your drive. And that's not a
53:14
quality person. Doesn't matter. That's true.
53:17
That's true Robbie and look my my early So my
53:21
my as you guys know if you guys have listened
53:23
for any amount of time you guys know my early
53:25
formative young woman years were spent stomping
53:28
the car lot and It really helped form and shape
53:33
my opinion of the world and how people are and
53:37
I mean I'm seeing people's credit scores I'm
53:39
seeing their pay stubs. I'm seeing like I'm seeing
53:42
humanity right like a car especially in LA like
53:45
Nobody walks in LA. Right, Ted? Everybody needs
53:49
a car. Everybody needs a car. So I really I got
53:56
to see the humanity in its purest form when they're
53:59
in need. Right. And it it really shaped my opinion
54:04
about my analogies for the world. And to Robbie's
54:08
point, yeah, like a quality car, I don't need
54:12
it to have a Mercedes badge. Right a quality
54:17
car is is a car that you can rely on That's that's
54:21
easy to fix and you could do it yourself If you
54:23
need to you don't need to go to a mechanic and
54:25
spend a gajillion dollars With some fancy machines
54:29
to plug it up. You can fix it yourself. You can
54:31
change your own oil You can do whatever a quality
54:34
car means. It's reliable It's a fair price. It's
54:39
it's gonna it's gonna turn on in the Montana
54:41
winter and survive a California Mojave Desert
54:47
Drive. It's gonna suit your needs, right? It's
54:53
gonna climb the mountains for you. It's gonna
54:55
take you to the beach. It's gonna do all those
54:57
things. That's what you need. You don't need
54:59
to have a Mercedes badge on it. You don't need
55:03
a Rolls Royce badge on it. If you do, you're
55:05
superficial. And when you apply these life lessons
55:09
to humans, You really should look at like your
55:13
car. If you're looking for a car for vanity and
55:17
you're doing that with a spouse, then of course
55:19
you can't find quality men or women. I don't
55:22
think so. I think that I think you should make
55:24
it a lot more commercial needs to be. And here's
55:27
what I mean by that. For example, you laid out
55:30
the case perfectly. Your husband is a friend
55:33
of mine. I know him. When you were sick, he took
55:37
care of you. When you're pregnant, he took care
55:40
of you. when you lost your job, he took care
55:43
of you. On the flip side, when he was at his
55:47
lowest, you were there for him. You took care
55:49
of him. You made a home for him. You nurtured
55:51
him. It's okay. If everyone had this stupid term
55:57
quality person, what that means is that your
56:01
partner doesn't cheat on you and is there for
56:04
you in the good times and the bad times. The
56:06
paycheck doesn't matter. That's what that's the
56:08
whole thing and what is that feminism teaches?
56:11
That women must pursue the power of the Almighty
56:14
dollar Because men have had it so good and dominated
56:18
women for 6 ,000 years of human history But let's
56:21
just unpack the 6 ,000 years of human history.
56:24
Who is it that fights the wars for you? Who is
56:26
it that takes care of you whenever you're pregnant
56:28
whenever you can't know during note during these
56:31
six millennia of history? Who is it shelters?
56:34
No, who did the dirty jobs? Who's the one that
56:38
kept you alive? So with the perks of being a
56:46
man, there were an awful lot of problems that
56:49
women were not asked to deal with. Women were
56:52
not asked to join the Roman legions. They didn't
56:55
fight in the phalanxes. There's reasons for that.
56:59
And I think that Women need to realize that men
57:04
are not your enemy, and men need to realize it's
57:07
okay to get married to that woman, and you don't
57:10
need to make yourself a six -figure salary. If
57:15
you're able to provide for your family working
57:17
at Walmart, then good on you. That's all that
57:20
you need, and society can go hang itself. And
57:23
women, y 'all need to get the hell off of the
57:25
bench, because if you're gonna keep punching
57:27
down like this, Eventually, the guys are gonna
57:29
be there and when the barbarians come over the
57:31
wall, who's gonna save you? It won't be the guys
57:34
Well, just just ask the Ukrainians oh Well, I
57:40
mean they're getting drafted now Yeah, I mean
57:43
it's insane. So how's that feminism working out
57:46
for you? Do you have plunging birth rates? For
57:49
the first time in recorded history, there's gonna
57:52
be fewer people. There will be fewer people born
57:54
than ever before I know I know it It's total
57:58
suicide. So how's that feminism working out for
58:00
you? If ever there was a place to look at and
58:03
be like, hey, this is, you know, when you're
58:06
when you swing feminism too far the other way,
58:09
look at Ukraine. That's what's happened. So now
58:11
you're suddenly objecting to to girls going to
58:14
fight at the front or grandmas. Well, I mean,
58:19
yeah. I mean, look, there's also an aspect to
58:21
this story that I think, you know, we don't want
58:23
to lose, which is that people are, is that the,
58:28
you know, the detachment between identity politics
58:32
and class analysis. I mean, it's like there is
58:37
so much of that going on now. And like, you know,
58:41
a lot of the, it's kind of like we saw with the
58:44
death and reassessment of the life of Gloria
58:48
Steinem last week. you know, and we know that
58:50
she worked for the CIA and, uh, and basically
58:53
helped kick like leftists out of the feminist
58:56
movement and basically, you know, made, tried
59:00
to make feminism more of like a, uh, you know,
59:03
something more for like upscale, you know, upper
59:06
class white women than for like normal working
59:10
class people and people of color. This was a
59:13
huge, um, problem, right? This was a, and And
59:19
this is the ultimate embodiment of it, where
59:24
it's like you literally have women who have achieved
59:28
the American dream against the odds. And they
59:34
don't know how to celebrate their victory by
59:37
finding someone to share their lives with because
59:40
of these old patriarchal ideas that the man should
59:44
earn as much or more than the wife. Yeah, it's,
59:48
it's just, yeah, I mean, it's, this is what happens
59:52
when you detach, you detach like identity struggle
59:56
versus, you know, from class analysis. Once you
59:59
do that, things get fucked up. The other point
1:00:01
in the article was that in households, in the
1:00:04
few households that they, they surveyed through
1:00:07
Pew, that where the women earned more, out earned
1:00:11
their spouses, that the men had some kind of
1:00:15
psychological or emotional distress because of
1:00:17
it. That the vast majority of them, I think it
1:00:20
said like two thirds or something. And I just
1:00:22
want to give a shout out to Makayden, our viewer
1:00:25
in Australia, our Aussie friend. Thank you for
1:00:28
the donation. Makayden says, you have to have
1:00:31
two out of three or just a lot of money. So money,
1:00:34
charm or looks. That's that's fair. And of course,
1:00:38
our resident scientist JDC says, I tell my wife
1:00:42
all the time that I saw a doctor, you know, doctor
1:00:44
on on her door. And I thought, score, I'm going
1:00:46
to seduce this bitch and live the good life.
1:00:49
Turned out she was a DVM, not an M .D. Yes. But
1:00:55
yeah, to to that little portion of the article.
1:01:00
But you men have a hard time with it, too, Ted.
1:01:03
Oh, well. But that's but that's like what do
1:01:06
you mean? How please be specific? It's it said
1:01:09
it said the when the women out earn That when
1:01:12
women the women are the breadwinner. Yeah, not
1:01:15
from the keeper Um survey from the pew survey
1:01:18
pew surveyed like all couples like all people
1:01:22
men women single dating whatever and in the households
1:01:25
that that had the female breadwinner The men
1:01:30
specifically It's they felt anxiety Two -thirds,
1:01:34
they were, yeah, felt psychological stress over
1:01:36
it. Okay, but the thing is they're not, unfortunately,
1:01:39
we don't know what the cause of the psychological
1:01:41
stress is here. I mean, is it insecurity? It's
1:01:45
just like, oh, I should earn more than my wife,
1:01:47
or are their wives giving them a hard time for
1:01:49
not earning as much as they do? We just don't
1:01:53
know the cause. I would suspect it's probably
1:01:55
like there's a bell curve there and it's probably
1:01:57
a little bit of both, but it's really kind of
1:02:01
like, I mean, it's not surprising that men have
1:02:06
bought into traditional gender role stereotype
1:02:10
bullshit. I mean, we live still live under patriarchy.
1:02:14
What I don't understand is why successful upscale
1:02:19
women would buy into that same stupid system
1:02:23
that was trying to keep them down. Right. That's
1:02:27
that's what I'm saying. It's ingrained thousands
1:02:30
and thousands of years. ingrained into our society.
1:02:34
It's propaganda. All around the world. All around
1:02:37
the world. So ladies. All right, we gotta wrap
1:02:40
it soon. We gotta go. We gotta move on. Get your
1:02:41
head straight. One more. That's what she said.
1:02:48
All right, a passenger on American Airlines apparently
1:02:51
decided that the seatbelt sign was the only rule
1:02:54
to follow. Law enforcement officers. greeted
1:02:58
flight 1779 at Miami International after a lady
1:03:02
allegedly removed all of her clothing and then
1:03:06
engaged in unspecified indecent acts in front
1:03:10
of other passengers. The Airbus A319 left Baltimore
1:03:15
Washington International Airport about two hours
1:03:17
late, which might make a lot of people decide
1:03:20
to strip naked, and was headed to Miami when
1:03:23
flight attendants reported a disturbance involving
1:03:26
the woman in 9D. Crew members contacted the cockpit
1:03:30
through the plane's digital communication system
1:03:32
and requested the police. The aircraft continued
1:03:36
on to Miami without diversion, landed at 11 23
1:03:40
p .m. Officers were waiting and took the naked
1:03:44
passenger into custody. She has not been identified.
1:03:48
They have not disclosed possible charges or explained
1:03:52
what the crew did to manage the situation. Since
1:03:56
COVID, airlines have faced a sharp increase in
1:03:59
freaked -out passengers, with some treating commercial
1:04:02
aircraft as bars, bedrooms, boxing rinks, and
1:04:05
occasionally psychiatric waiting rooms. The FAA
1:04:08
recorded almost 6 ,000 unruly passenger reports
1:04:11
in 2021. That's the biggest on record. Of those,
1:04:15
4 ,300 involved disputes over masks. Well, we're
1:04:19
not going to have that anymore. Reports later
1:04:21
fell more than 80 percent, but the FAA says that
1:04:25
Recent increases show there's still a problem.
1:04:29
Interfering with a crew member can cause you
1:04:31
to be prosecuted and you might have to pay as
1:04:34
much as $44 ,000 each time you do something.
1:04:38
In 2023, a United passenger tried to open an
1:04:42
emergency door before attacking a flight attendant
1:04:45
with a broken metal spoon. He got 26 months in
1:04:49
prison and a five -year ban from commercial aviation.
1:04:54
In 2024, an American flight diverted after a
1:04:58
passenger exposed himself and peed in the aisle.
1:05:02
Maybe the bathroom was locked. The same year,
1:05:05
a Virgin Australia flight turned around after
1:05:08
a naked dude ran through the cabin and knocked
1:05:11
over a crew member. Knocking over the crew member
1:05:13
seems like the least of the problems. But yeah,
1:05:16
so people be losing their minds in the friendly
1:05:19
skies. Okay, but running naked, is that really
1:05:23
worth turning the flight around? Like, I'm turning
1:05:26
this, if you don't put your clothes back on,
1:05:29
Bobby, I'm turning this car around and going
1:05:31
home. Yeah, Mr. Naked Man. Like, yeah, I mean,
1:05:37
naked, yeah. Well, it's not good, but it's not,
1:05:40
in a way, it's not really that big a deal, really,
1:05:43
yeah, it's true. But like, this naked woman.
1:05:46
And this is in my neck of the woods right like
1:05:48
she was flying out of BWI I guess and going to
1:05:51
Miami You know people go to Miami Ted that's
1:05:56
not they're usually going to party right like
1:05:59
they're I Mean some people live there sure there's
1:06:03
legitimate reasons But I'll tell you this from
1:06:06
because I've done it from here because I've you
1:06:08
know business purposes to have to go to Miami
1:06:10
generally speaking They're At BWI, when you're
1:06:17
flying from BWI to Miami, it's a short hop flight.
1:06:21
Like it's you're up and then you're down, right?
1:06:26
Half the flight are like people, normal people.
1:06:29
The other half of the flight are people going
1:06:31
down to party. Yeah, of course. For the weekend.
1:06:36
So I'm curious as to perhaps what sort of alcoholic
1:06:46
beverages this woman may have had? What others?
1:06:48
I would imagine there was at least one involved.
1:06:52
Party enhancements? Which she might have had?
1:06:56
Good question, yeah. Planning to go to Miami?
1:07:00
And the report wanted to be vague because they
1:07:03
want to keep us family friendly, Ted. They didn't
1:07:06
specify what sort of indecent acts she was doing.
1:07:11
Well, she might have been watching like terrible
1:07:15
movies so and tease it i mean yeah i'm i'm curious
1:07:21
to know the details the police won't release
1:07:24
the details um and 9d doesn't that put her squarely
1:07:29
like in business class maybe first class no not
1:07:32
not at all are you kidding yeah i mean like on
1:07:36
an on a mid -size plane no you could easily be
1:07:39
that could easily be a That's at the front of
1:07:44
coach admittedly, but yeah. Hmm. Oh, okay Well,
1:07:48
I was gonna say if she was in business class
1:07:49
like hmm. She was on the good stuff No, I don't
1:07:55
think she would have done that in business class
1:07:57
To be honest, I'm gonna just say and I have no
1:08:02
I mean I have reason to suspect this but it's
1:08:05
not like I know anything about her I bet we're
1:08:08
talking bath salts So has Florida Yeah, because
1:08:13
Florida and also so apparently bath salts cause
1:08:17
your your your body your body to overheat. And
1:08:21
so victims often feel overwhelmingly urged to
1:08:25
strip down because they're so overheated, their
1:08:28
bodies burning up. And so they like there's all
1:08:30
sorts of reports of Floridian like bath salts
1:08:34
overdose victims running around naked in the
1:08:36
streets. Because they're Like they're just, it's
1:08:43
like they're going through menopause. They're
1:08:44
like, oh yeah. Yeah. Basically they're having
1:08:46
hot flashes to the nth degree. So they lose their
1:08:49
minds. Interesting. So I suspect, I bet it's
1:08:53
a bath salt situation. They won't, I find that's
1:08:57
why she was acting crazy too. They act crazy.
1:08:59
They won't tell us, they won't tell the media
1:09:01
what the details are surrounding this particular
1:09:04
woman, which is weird because usually in these,
1:09:07
these bad behaved passenger stories, you you
1:09:11
get details and you get video. None of that is
1:09:14
out. There was a guy recently. Did you see the
1:09:17
guy recently on another domestic flight? I don't
1:09:21
know what was happening with the dude, but I
1:09:23
saw the video that the crew and passengers. Oh,
1:09:30
yeah. Masking or he was like a realtor, right?
1:09:33
I don't know. I don't. I remember, but I just
1:09:35
saw the video and they duct taped him to the
1:09:38
seat, like his arms were duct taped. Like Akimbo,
1:09:41
even around his head. And you know that's not
1:09:45
gonna feel good when it comes off. So I feel
1:09:50
like we're seeing more and more and more of this.
1:09:54
So look, I'm gonna get a little more logical
1:09:59
about this and maybe, you know. Veer into the
1:10:03
world of psychology here a little bit. Do you
1:10:05
remember a few months ago? We did a story about
1:10:08
the transpo secretary Sean Duffy Suggesting to
1:10:13
people online that he's tired of seeing people
1:10:16
go to the airport in their pajamas and you know
1:10:19
and sweatpants and flip -flops and whatever like
1:10:23
Travel, you know, it used to be a privilege and
1:10:25
people used to wear suits and ties and dresses.
1:10:29
It also wasn't a miserable experience. Back then.
1:10:32
Right. He's like, let's bring that grandeur back
1:10:35
to travel. But I mean, I'm all for it. Yeah,
1:10:38
I'm sure. So he was he was saying that right
1:10:41
to his. I don't. I'm I'm one of my mom wore white
1:10:45
gloves in the 60s when she flew. How beautiful.
1:10:48
I mean. That was then. This is now, Ted. We're
1:10:51
in my, you know, my UGG boots, my Hello Kitty
1:10:55
pajama pants and a hoodie. That is how this manila
1:10:59
travels. Dressing for comfort, yeah, not for
1:11:02
speed. I'm going to be stuck for God knows how
1:11:04
long wherever, right? Sure. No, I'm not trying
1:11:07
to look elegant going through TSA before you
1:11:10
credit card swipe my front and my back. Right,
1:11:13
totally. No, I'm not going to dress, you know,
1:11:15
in a beautiful Oscar gown. to go through TSA.
1:11:20
But to Sean Duffy's defense, there is a psychological
1:11:25
reason for that. And we all know I'm qualified
1:11:27
for this with my minor in psychology, Ted. Of
1:11:30
course. That would make you fully qualified.
1:11:35
I'm totally qualified. You know how they say
1:11:40
dress for the job you want or dress for the situation
1:11:44
or any situation, right? So if you're dressed
1:11:47
like a slob, are you more likely to act like
1:11:49
a bath salts? Yeah. Or like if she was dressed
1:11:57
to the nines in a, in her Oscar gown, would she
1:12:00
have behaved that crazily? Would she have, I
1:12:03
don't know, gotten drunk or taken bath salts
1:12:06
or done blow or whatever. It's a valid question,
1:12:09
but I think you behave differently when you're
1:12:12
dressed a certain way. You do. Yeah. I mean,
1:12:15
I know I feel that way when I I feel different
1:12:18
when I'm wearing a suit, which granted has been
1:12:21
a long time. But and I don't miss it. Really.
1:12:26
Believe it or not, when I'm dressed to like go
1:12:29
to an event or whatever and I have to wear a
1:12:31
proper dress and and high heels and whatever,
1:12:33
like say a wedding, let's say a wedding. Right.
1:12:35
Like I'm and we're talking me here. Like, real
1:12:40
Plain Jane life in real life manila, not TV manila.
1:12:44
This is real life manila, right? And I curse
1:12:47
like a sailor and I, you know, like I'm... As
1:12:51
they say, you can take the girl out of the hood,
1:12:53
but you can't take the hood out of the girl.
1:12:54
That's me, right? But when I am dressed to go,
1:12:58
let's say, to a wedding, I do find myself behaving
1:13:03
more ladylike and not cursing like a sailor.
1:13:09
Sure. And actually behaving a little more demure
1:13:13
than my normal everyday self. So there is a little
1:13:18
bit of psychology that's involved in why Sean
1:13:20
Duffy was saying that. And maybe this is why,
1:13:23
man, you're getting like thousands every year,
1:13:26
thousands of unruly passengers trying to stab
1:13:28
you with a broken spoon. Like, dude, come on.
1:13:34
A naked person running up and down the aisle
1:13:37
is like the least of the flight attendants concerns.
1:13:39
They're over here trying to ward off like, like
1:13:42
jail shibs, right? Like from passengers, like
1:13:45
trying to stab them with broken silverware. Like
1:13:48
I'm just saying, maybe, maybe Sean Duffy was
1:13:52
onto something. I'm not going to dress like that,
1:13:55
but maybe that's where that came from. Just an
1:13:58
idea. Um, you know, I mean, I'm not going to
1:14:02
dismiss that out of hand, you know. I mean, it
1:14:05
might just be like, let's just say she took some
1:14:08
sort of drug. You know, if you're wearing a beautiful
1:14:13
dress and white gloves, maybe you're like, I'm
1:14:16
not popping any drugs before I get on the plane.
1:14:19
You think of the plane as a formal sacred space
1:14:22
and we're good behavior. I mean, look, the airline
1:14:26
doesn't behave well to you. You know, they're
1:14:29
squeezing you in and treating you like shit.
1:14:32
The TSA thing is a disgrace. You know, the way
1:14:36
you're treated. Cook us like an expensive wild
1:14:41
caught salmon, not like sardines. Right, right,
1:14:45
right, right, right. Come on. Like if you're
1:14:47
going to pack me away, like pack me like expensive
1:14:51
wild caught Alaskan salmon. Don't pack me literally
1:14:54
like a sardine in your flying tin can. you treat
1:14:59
us like a sardine, we're gonna behave like little
1:15:03
sardines. And I don't really know how those sardine
1:15:05
fish actually behave, Ted. I've never seen an
1:15:07
alive one. So I don't know. I feel like they'd
1:15:11
be like little wild little swimmers, but I don't
1:15:14
know. I don't know. I've never seen an alive
1:15:16
one. Have you ever seen an alive sardine? See?
1:15:23
I don't believe so. No, only in the can. Exactly.
1:15:28
And people don't have them. They don't have them.
1:15:29
I don't think people... Do people have them in
1:15:32
aquariums? I've never seen... I don't know. Anyone
1:15:35
out there now that... I know this is a tangent,
1:15:37
but I'm going to pose this question. And you
1:15:39
guys let us know. And you can actually... Unless
1:15:43
you're a fisherman, then obviously you've seen
1:15:45
sardines. Well, no. I know. But where's our email?
1:15:50
Email us tmishowquestion at yahoo .com. We have
1:15:54
a weird question for you. Have you ever seen
1:15:57
a live sardine? And where? And was it driving
1:16:03
away from the scene of a crime? So there you
1:16:07
go. We'll be back on Thursday. We're still sorting
1:16:09
out the kinks. Thank you for bearing with us.
1:16:13
Hopefully, once we figure out how the algorithms
1:16:16
go, maybe we'll be back more frequently. Maybe
1:16:19
not. I don't know. It depends. We're testing
1:16:21
things out. So bear with us. Thank you guys.
1:16:24
Thank you. Um, our regular rumble live lives
1:16:27
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1:16:32
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1:16:35
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1:16:39
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1:16:42
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