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UK Column News Podcast 31st May 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. Today is Friday, the thirty first of May twenty twenty four,
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just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column News. I'm your host,
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Brian Gerrish. Delighted to have Ben Rubin with me at the studio.
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Blie to me here, Brian, thank you for joining me. We've also
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got Debbie Evans who is down in Cornwall, England. I'm going to add
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to that, and we have a guest today which is James Ruguski. We're
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going to kick straight off with the Trump court case. I couldn't resist this
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because here's the BBC headline. Trump rages at verdict as he's found guilty in
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historic case first former or current president. I don't think the BBC's too sure
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where he stands at the moment, but it's about his conviction, conviction felon
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question mark because of course he hasn't been convicted yet. We've just had the
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result on thirty four counts in the trial guilty hush money trial. Courtroom turned
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to Stone and BBC reporter in court describes Trump's reaction after guilty verdict. BBC
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biased has always and completely overjoyed. I just wanted to pick up on this
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which I thought was really quite interesting. It was comment by the Manhattan District
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Attorney, Alvin Bragg, who brought the charges against Trump, and we'll hear
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a little bit of a video clip of him speaking in a minute. Of
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course, Trump himself had replied saying, I'm a very innocent man. He's
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more innocent than innocent. He's very innocent, but at least he's making the
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point. Let's listen to the video clip of District Attorney Bragg speaking. First
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and foremost, I want to thank the jury for its service. The twelve
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every day jurors vow to make a decision based on the evidence and the law.
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And the evidence and the law alone, their deliberations led them to a
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unanimous conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant, Donald J. Trump,
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is guilty of thirty four counts of falsifying business records in the first degree to
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conceal a scheme to corrupt the twenty sixteen election. And while this defendant may
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be unlike any other in American history, we arrived at this trial and ultimately
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today at this verdict in the same manner as every other case that comes through
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the courtroom doors. I did my job, our job is to follow the
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facts and the law without fear of favor and that's exactly what we did here.
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And what I feel is gratitude to work alongside phenomenal public servants who do
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that each and every day. I did my job, We did our job.
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Many voices out there, the only voice that matters is the voice of
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the jury, and the jury has spoken well. I just wanted to say
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to our audience today some very interesting words. They are important words. I
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don't know whether Trump got a fair trial, but one thing we must never
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lose is the jury trial. The jury trial immensely powerful in UK at least.
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Not only can the jury, of course find somebody not guilty, they
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can find somebody not guilty even if they have broken the law. This is
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something the jury members often do not know, and very often they are controlled
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by the judge in the court hearing. So I just want to echo back
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to the audience that at the end of the day, if it's a fair
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trial without any form of favoritism, and a jury is in place, that
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is very powerful. I don't know whether that was the case in Trump's trial,
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but for people who worry about law and order and justice in UK,
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and other countries adopting our judicial system or our legal system. It's the jury
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which has the power in the court. And of course this is the reason
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why there is no jury in family courts when the family courts take children away
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from their parents under false pretenses. I'll leave that one there, but leave
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the audience to have a think about that. Debbie, let's bring you in.
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Thank you for joining us today, and I think you're going to tell
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us about the World Health Assembly. I am thank you so much, and
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hello everybody. I'm delighted actually to be joined by James Roguski today, who's
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joining us very early his side of the planet. So thank you James,
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because we're going to be catching up over what's going on at the World at
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Health Assembly this week. Because, as everybody knows, the United Kingdom no
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sitting parliamentarians at the moment, we have no discussion, we have wall to
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wall mainstream media of electioneer electioneering, and we're not getting to hear about what's
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going on at the World Health Assembly with regards to the WHO Pandemic Preparedness Treaty.
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So James has very kindly agreed to give us a quick snapshot of what
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we the British in particular need to know. Welcome James, thank you so
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much, and over to you well, you know, thank you very much
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for having me. And like any other good you know, murder mystery,
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there have been many plot twists at the end. And you know, as
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I'm speaking to you today, they should be starting meetings in Committee A of
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the World Health Assembly to discuss a number of things. And the very last
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thing on their current schedule is items thirteen point three and thirteen point four,
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which are the quote unquote Pandemic agree Agreement and the amendments to the International Health
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Regulations. I fully expect that they might go deep into the night discussing what's
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going on, because earlier in the week there were three separate draft resolutions proposed.
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One of them was by France, Indonesia, Kenya, New Zealand,
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Saudi Arabia and the United States, which essentially was connected to On Tuesday,
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they started a draft group drafting group to continue the negotiations right up to the
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bitter at And so as we speak, the delegates are negotiating to try to
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hammer out a final agreement on the amendments to the International Health Regulations. We
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shall have to just wait and see this evening. People can if you do
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a search for WHA seventy seven, you should be able to stay up late
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tonight and watch the live stream to see what happens. It may carry over
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into tomorrow. Tomorrow is supposed to be the final day when they take some
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of their final votes and close the session on June the first. And there
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are certain amendments of which I am personally very concerned in paying very close attention.
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Articles twenty four, twenty seven, and thirty one involve international travel and
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what's going on there is With article thirty one, it states very clearly that
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when you leave your country and you're traveling to another country, the officials there
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have you over a barrel. They can. According to the existing regulations,
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it forced people to go through a medical examination, profile axis, whatever it
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is nowadays that they call a vaccine, isolation and quarantine, and the terminology
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that they use is that they can compel people to do that. Now they
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actually want to strengthen that by having the conveyance operators you know, the airlines,
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the cruise line, the train or bus or whatever type of travel you
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might be going on, to enforce that you know on board when you're embarking
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or disembarking. So locking down international travel is one of the areas where I
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want to make it clear. This is not the Who mandating such things.
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It's all of the nations agreeing to exert their national sovereignty in order to inflict
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their will upon the rights of individual travelers and your bodily autonomy. So we
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shall see if they manage to reach an agreement on the amendments. Now,
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there were two other proposed draft resolutions, one from the forty seven member states
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of African Region and one from Australia, Brewni, Canada, Norway and Pakistan,
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which essentially seems like they're not going to reach an agreement on the quote
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unquote Pandemic Treaty or Pandemic Agreement, and it looks like they are going to
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call for either a special session of the World Health Assembly later in twenty twenty
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four. Some nations have called for, you know, maybe push it off
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until next year's scheduled assembly next May and twenty twenty five. The United States
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said, oh, we're going to need more time than that, so stay
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tuned. You know, it's a soap opera. As the Who turns,
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we will hopefully find out tonight or tomorrow morning what they have decided. While
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everyone is distracted by everything else going on in the world, they'll be staying
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up late tonight and early tomorrow morning to make decisions about, you know,
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the future of the health of the world. Thank you so much for that.
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And I have to say to all of our viewers and listeners as well
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that whilst half the planet is sleeping, James never seems to sleep. So
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if you don't catch the WHO during the night to night, then please go
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and check out James's substack because he keeps it so up to date with literally
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the latest news. So James Ruguski substack, please go and look at that.
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And James, thank you so much. We'll be catching up next week
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to do a massive, great, big, in depth post mortemn So thank
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you James, and enjoy your day. Thanks heremy thank you James. I'll
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just say to our audience, of course James has to be up I think
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about half three in the morning to give you that short report. So we're
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going to say thank you very much for the dedication. Debbie. You're going
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to take us on through and to the World Health Assembly. Yeah, I
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am going to stick on that just for a second, because Mike on Monday
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showed ted Ross at the World Health Assembly and he did make a very good
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observation. Look at the lapel badge that we have on Tedros's suit, it
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seems to be anti microbial resistance. So just hold on to that thought because
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AMR is going to be something that we're going to be talking about a lot
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moving forward. But he was there and he was presenting the prize at a
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prestigious prize to catiline professor Catalene Carrico and also to her colleague, professor Drew
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Weissmann, for their prestigious scientific work which has enabled the development of mRNA.
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So I thought, well, you know she's got all these prizes. Let's
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have a look at Catiline carrying a carico. She is the vice president of
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Bioentech, and her career has been focused really on RNA and mediated mechanisms,
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with ultimate goal of developing in vitro transcribed mRNA for protein therapy. This was
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originally a genetic product from Hungary and basically she couldn't get any funding for any
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of her research because it was deemed too dangerous catastrophic. I think is what
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Cheryl Granger, our dear colleague and friend, described it as, So how
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did she land up at bioentech Because she couldn't get any research funding in Hungary,
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so she went to the United States. And I caught up with this
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article from the Daily Pennsylvanian, and it says, not of faculty quality,
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how Penn mistreated Nobel Prize winning researcher Kathleene Carico. Well, Penn is actually
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a university. It's an Ivy League research university in Philadelphia. And I went
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on to look in the article and have a look and see what they say.
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It's quite extraordinary. Her colleague David Langer, who convinced Penn to take
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her, said she's incredibly hard working. She's just insane. She had her
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lab space removed because her work was just deemed non fundable. She kept getting
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kicked out of the laboratories and even to the point actually where her belongings were
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packed up and she was sent on her merry way. So Katalina Carrico was
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effectively thrown out of universities, and that's how she landed up at Penn at
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a biotech. Excuse me, so I've gone to look at the transcript of
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her prize winning speech. You can see they're the slide transcript for an interview
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with catilein Kairico, and we're going to be having a look at that in
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a minute. But after all that, I've said, just there, let's
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just hear it from Katleenekreco herself. Have listened to this, doing science is
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so much fun. For twenty thirty years at the University of pennsylvan or where
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I would I know that people consider me unsuccessful. You know, I was
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demoted from my position, and eventually ten years ago I was terminated. I
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felt successful because in the lab I was in full control. I did another
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experiment, figuring out something, and I could see the progress and it was
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fun. So this is a woman that's described as insane, right, So
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I went back to her Nobel transcript, and I'm just thinking, maybe she's
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a little confused. So when she was asked how she would spend the money
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from her prize, listen to what she said and keep an ear out for
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the word brag. Have a listen. Most likely I would spend the money
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for education and helping, you know, students. I don't really like to
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brag about things, but you know all of the award I got, you
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know, in Hungary. I never took out from the country. I gave
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to, you know, organization like helping underprivileged children. So she doesn't like
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to brag. Well, I'm a little confused because in the next question,
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when she's describing how she met her colleague, Professor Drew Wiseman, Well,
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I'll let you make up your own mind. Have a listen to the word
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brag again. I used to work at Cardiology department, which belonged to the
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Cardiology section, which belonged to the Department of Medicine. But then from there
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I moved to surgery department, which is a different building, adjacent building.
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But I know the code for the xerox machine only in the medicine surgery where
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I work had no xerox machine, and we always had to xerox copy the
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scientific articles. So I keep going back to the prior place. And then
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I could see this guy I'd never seen before, and then I, you
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know, I introduced myself because I kind of like to brag, and I
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told him what I am doing while he was xeroxing. He's very quiet,
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and so I mentioned him that I work with mRNA and and he said that
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he came from Anthony Fouche's lab. At that time, you know, it
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didn't ring any bell for me. It was not in the television all the
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time. And then and then he said that he wants to make a therapeutic
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or prophylactic vaccine for HIV, and we started to talk more, and then
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I told him that I can make m RNA for him, and then that's
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he gave me the genes and I cloned and I made the RNA and we
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started to work together. So it is true we met at the Xerux machine,
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but that part that we were wrestling and fighting, that was not true.
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Amazing what goes on at the Xerox machine, isn't it. Well,
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she's mixing, cloning and making up mRNA, which I would like to say
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was classified a genetic product, and then when she went to bioenech, it
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miraculously became a vaccine. These are the words from a woman who no one
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would fund, who has actually got rid of and was by her own colleague
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called insane. That's who won the Nobel Prize for mRNA. And Debbie,
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we're now at the point where our lives are in this woman's hands through the
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work that she's doing now just incredible. Thank you very much for bringing that
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to our attention, and I'm sure many people in the audience today will be
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simply stunned at the quality of the people who were supposedly looking after our wellbeing
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and health. Well. Are the pharmaceutical companies up to the B standard,
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do you think, Ben? I think they probably are, to be honest
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with you, Yeah, We're going to talk about the letter B today and
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how it relates to global fascism, specifically as it's linked to these four organizations,
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the B Team be Good for Leaders, B Corporation, which you'll be
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familiar with, we've talked about it before, and the Better Business Act,
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and they present themselves as distinct from each other, right, So these are
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not the same organizations, but they are part of an ecosystem, and they
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are very clearly linked behind the scenes, and not just by the second letter
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of the alphabet, which is in all of their names. So I'm going
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to start by referring you back to this gentleman. This is Paulus gerardis Josephus
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Maria Polman KBE aka Paul Polman, who was the chief executive of Unilever,
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amongst other things, one of the biggest consumer goods companies in the world,
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and he now holds twenty concurrent positions, including a trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation,
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an SDG advocate working on behalf of the US when he's chair of the
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Oxford Side Business School, founder of Imagine, which I spoke about in depth
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a couple of weeks ago, who are reshaping the global food system. And
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he is also a leader and formerly chairman at the B Team, which is
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the first of those four organizations that I'm going to talk about. So what
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is the B Team? They described their mission as to catalyze a movement of
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business leaders driving a better way of doing business for the well being of people
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and planet. We can recognize a lot of the language here if you're a
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regular viewer of the column. They've been around for just over ten years.
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This came from their website. I'd recommend going to read this report. It's
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the B Team at ten and they described their journey from twenty thirteen to fifteen
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as forging a new path for business. They launched with a stellar cast of
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philanthropists, business people, political leaders, Richard Branson, Arianna Huffington, Moebrahim,
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Mary Robinson, former President of Ireland, RAT and Tata were in in
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the mix. From twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen they were partnering for impact and
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partnering is the seventeenth SDG. This is all very closely linked into the development
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or the delivery sorry of the Sustainable Development Goals. For twenty nineteen to twenty
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twenty, they were leading with humanity at the heart. And you can see
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there Mark Bennioff, the Salesforce CEO on the left hand side there, and
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he's also a member of Linda Rothschild's Council for Inclusive Capitalism, so this is
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part of that same network. And then from twenty one to twenty three they
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were catalyzing new leadership. They put a big statement into I believe it was
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the New York Times asking Joe Biden to become the Climate President. So they
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are activists. They're promoting a very specific agenda and how do they do it.
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They have a compass. This is what guides them. They They're about
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being bold, brave, working with purpose, having principal delivering sustainability, equality
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and accountability, and most importantly focusing on humanity. Putting humanity at the center
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or maybe in the crosshairs. Who knows that it could maybe slightly slightly sinister
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dynamic to this too. Now, what do they do with this tool?
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They use it to guide what they call radical collaborations. So you can see
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the tool on the floor there in the center. All of the participants in
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this group seet Richard Branson sitting there in a bunch of other people that we've
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already talked about. And essentially they're coming together to formulate policy, develop ideas
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and then disseminate that down out into the organizations they work with and for,
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and some of them which they own, but also more broadly into the system.
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And they don't do that themselves. Right, this is really important.
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This is a network that we're looking at. They're interconnected with each other and
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they signal to each other, which is where the bee is really important.
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Second organization is this one beef a Good Leader's Summit, and this took place
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in Amsterdam last week. Lovely little bit of one eye symbolism there. I
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think in the logo that's a bit blatant, isn't it. And what are
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they about? So they again, it's business for good. Business must be
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for good, So they say, finally, business for good is becoming the
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zeitgeist. It's clear that business has to change and economies have to become regenerative.
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That who is taking the lead? Well, they are taking the lead,
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right. They put themselves in the driving seat for this. They talk
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about their community to do more business, creating more impact. They get involved
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to fund or get funded. Right. This is about bringing capital into the
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conversation. It's a place where inspiration and intelligence is shared. So this is
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about marketplace of ideas, a very tightly controlled marketplace of ideas, a place
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to connect with like minded leaders, build out your network, and also to
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get exclusive access to events. Building the new paradigm. They believe that they
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are building a new economic paradigm. Right, and the b movement sits absolutely
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at the heart of this. So who was at this event? This took
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place last week? Right, So this was in Amsterdam last week. Who
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was there? So it was a lot of people, But the first one
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that caught my attention was Imagine. So this is the Paul Polman group that
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I spoke about a couple of weeks ago, who are transforming the global food
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system. They were very excited to be there talking about inspiration, social capital,
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natural capital, and financial capital. This is a completely new mindset for
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how business is being delivered. Who else was at the event, They had
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a bunch of WEF partners, So this is very closely linked into the World
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Economic Forum. This is a director from KPMG in Switzerland who was speaking.
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So this is very much about financial services climate and sustainability and creating the regulatory
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environment and the reporting environment to embed sustainable business practices down into the way that
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things are happening in the market. And this was also directly connected to one
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of the other BEES that we've talked about. So this was from one of
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the breakout sessions and you can see the title here is Global and Regional Trends
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on Impact Investing. Yes, this is about money transforming the system. And
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the question is what is offered to be corps. So we've got the B
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Leaders, the B Team, the BEE for Good Leaders Summit, and now
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we have B Corps at that event. Right, So these things are intrinsically
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linked to each other, and let's remind ourselves very quickly about the BEE Corp
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movement and what they are about. Throughout history, humankind has created a multitude
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of different economic and social systems. And while systems are complex, the truth
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is they were built by people, so they can be changed by people.
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We can transform from profiting only the few to benefiting all, from extraction to
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regeneration, and from individualism to interdependence. It is not an unreachable ideal.
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It is the reality that we, the Bee Corp Movement are already building.
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Together. We're transforming the global economy to benefit all people, communities, and
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the planet. Together, we'll realize our vision of an inclusive, equitable,
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and regenerative world. Join the movements well, ben if, I may a
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couple of our audience already picked up on the fact that it's very common purpose,
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Like you've got people playing games together about very big and serious subjects.
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So I noticed that straight away important people sitting around playing a game together.
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That's to do with reframing them, whether they realize that or not. But
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the other thing is we should trust these people because they've abandoned the suits and
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ties and they've gone the other way. They're in their scruffy denims, they're
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all looking remarkably casual. So there's a lot of manipulation of the public,
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even in the way they're presenting this be initiative in my view, absolutely yes,
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and they're wearing genes and trainers now, but they're still being paid by
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the same people ultimately, right, so nothing's really changed behind the scenes.
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So that was the b Corp movement. And actually, you know, I
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mean think this little screen grab that I took, I think says it all
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right. So have we got We've got a glob of this flag. I'm
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not even going to talk about the ideologies behind it. It's about climate justice,
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it's about BLM so neo Marxist political movement and delivery of the sustainable development
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goals. You can see they're on the right hand side. I think that
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encapsulates it perfectly, and they're attempting to push this agenda not just into the
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way that business is done, but really importantly into the regulatory structures in the
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UK. Right, let's hear from the Better Business Acts. We mean business.
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Never has there been a more critical moment for humanity to be at it's
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best. Businesses have to decide keep being part of the problem or become part
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of the movement to create a better future. We have to update the rules
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of business today, instead of hiding behind the broken models of the past.
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We have to stop overproduction and overconsumption from threatening our natural world and everyone in
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it. And we have to build a table where everyone is invited to put
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up a chair. Thousands of businesses are already reaping the benefits of making these
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changes, but to have a tangible impact, every business needs to do it
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by default. The Better Business Act is here to make that happen. Prioritizing
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people and planet alongside profit still delivers attractive returns for share holders, which means
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it isn't just the right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do.
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Right now, the UK economy is in a state of chaos and this
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is our opportunity to harness the enormous potential of entrepreneurs, enterprise and innovation to
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jolt it back into action. The case for change works in everyone's favor,
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so we know what we need to do. We back the Act, will
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you so? Very polished? A bunch of very high profile people on their
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Mary Poul tasks on the UK television, so this is getting really a big
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push from the establishment. It was launched. Actually, they had an event
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last week at the Barbicane Better Business Day. You can see their Holly Branton
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Richard Branson's daughter on stage. He was part of the B Team that we
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talked about a few minutes ago. Just very quickly, their website is thirty
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three percent more carbon efficient than other websites. I thought that was an interesting
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thing for them to pull out. Anyway, they also have a glowing recommendation
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here from Paul Polman himself, which ties it back to the B Team again
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directly, despite the fact they don't talk about themselves, are coming from the
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same organization. So for my money, the B Corp, Beef and Good,
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the B Team, the Better Business Act. They all present the separate
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but they are linked, all pulling in the same direction towards greater control of
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humanity. The question is who's pulling the strings? And actually I think it
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probably goes back here. Well that's not just on to the next one,
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no problem, but okay, well I think it goes to the Rockefeller Foundation.
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I believe. Okay, thank you very much for that. Chaos was
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mentioned. Chaos, as far as they're concerned, is an opportunity? Is
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it a coincidence of course that members of the Conservative Party many years ago we're
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talking about planned chaos in the future. Could it have been to give them
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One of the important things that came up at the Light Festival were many
34:57
people talking about independent fourth of July and the need to vote for independent candidates
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to try and break through politics in UK. So here we are with the
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Gloucestershire team of independents who kindly senters little image to help promote what they're doing.
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But many people now deciding not to go near the political parties and standing
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as independent, even when teamed up with a group of other independents. I
35:27
think ben is a great way to go. Now let's move on to serious
35:31
things and Ukraine. Well, Ukraine, of course is still a dreadful war
35:37
with men and women being slaughtered on the battlefield, but as far as the
35:42
BBC's concerned, the bloodshed isn't going in the right direction. So I'd just
35:47
like to point out to you that Ukraine has now slipped to the sixth place
35:52
in the BBC's priorities. It was, of course right up at the top,
35:55
but now, oh dear, the Ukrainians are fighting but they're losing,
36:00
so the BBC's drop them down the scale. Now I thought what I would
36:02
do here is just show you some of the clips of the brutality at the
36:07
fighting and the rise of drones. So we've got a picture here of a
36:13
vehicle trying ultimately to hide in the tree lines. It's remarkable that in twenty
36:17
twenty four, on this major battlefield we still have troops trying to hide amongst
36:23
the foliage of the trees. But of course the drones are hunting them out
36:29
on both sides, and this is particularly brutal. Here's a drone strike and
36:32
you can see the sheer power of it. This is another image. This
36:37
case is a vehicle getting hit by a very accurate artillery shell and of course
36:42
men dying as we watch that video. This shot from a drone gives us
36:46
some idea of the bombing, the scale of the bombing in a defended positions,
36:52
so you can see big hits by the Russian guided bombs. To the
36:58
left of your picture, so you can see the countryside which is a mix
37:01
of these open fields, residential areas, low rise and the tree lines.
37:08
Here we've got another shot of the sheer power of the munitions which the Russians
37:13
are now using extremely accurate. So these are taking out strongholds of the Ukrainians
37:20
within the low rise areas of villages. And this one gives us an idea
37:28
of what happens when an attack goes in on one of the so called strongholds,
37:31
which is high rise buildings that the Ukrainians are usually using as some form
37:37
of defensive position. And I have another shot here of immense power as weapons
37:43
are dropped along a treeline. And you might be astonished to know that that
37:47
short tree line formed one of the major Ukrainian defensive positions to the north of
37:53
the country and was fought over viciously for several days as the Russians tried to
38:02
move south towards Kharkov. So there we are. But this one, really
38:10
it's terrible to watch. This is a drone actually hunting one individual Russian soldier.
38:16
This is happening on both sides of the line. He's firing it with
38:20
a purpose built battlefield shotgun effectively, but eventually he runs and in this particular
38:28
instance, this man survives as you see when he gets up on the shadow
38:31
on the ground. But this is the reality of the West support to the
38:37
Ukraine War, allowing individuals to hunt other human beings. It's truly disgusting.
38:43
And this one is a very sad clip. It's been heavily censored, I'm
38:47
pleased to say, before it was put out on social media. But this
38:51
is the Russians finding that the sellers of many buildings in these areas are simply
38:58
full of Ukrainian debt. So that is the background to the hit, this
39:02
horrific war. If we stopped the weapons to Ukraine, it would the war
39:07
would stop overnight. But that's not the West plan. The West plan is
39:12
to increase the bloodshed. Let's have a listen to Boris Johnson speaking to the
39:16
as of Brigade. Thank you to the heroes from the as Obrigat to give
39:28
the Ukrainians what they give them, the weapons, give them the authorization to
39:35
use those weapons outside their own Absolutely, the Ukrainians should be competing from doing
39:44
that he's doing himself and attacking Ukrainian forces. Wight on Earth. Should Ukraine's
39:51
be able to attack Russian forces mastering on their wars given given the airthing that
40:00
they need. The whole area is supporting Krely heroes. We rely on heroes
40:13
such as the people who are here with us from the Amul regade Son.
40:24
Some of this is just difficult to describe because of course he's talking to the
40:29
very brigade brigade that BBC was describing as Nazi a few years ago. And
40:35
what does he want. He wants to ramp up the war. Well,
40:37
where's it heading. Let's have a look at some of the headlines being reported,
40:40
because of course we've got Joe Biden himself saying yes, American weapons should
40:46
be available for attacks within Russian territory. We've got this report here by Developed
40:53
Germany says Ukraine can use its weapons to strike Russian territory. Italy says no.
41:00
So some dissent, but the overall war hawks are pushing for more war
41:04
in Ukraine. NATO is certainly pushing for more weapons and weapons to be used
41:09
to attack Russia. Sweden jumping in as a relatively small company, small country
41:15
at begypardon to say use the weapons. David Cameron, of course a warhawk
41:22
from many weeks ago when he was caught saying that yes, we should be
41:25
attacking Russian soil directly. And then of course the times here of starting to
41:31
ask the key question, will puting go nuclear if Western weapons hit targets in
41:37
Russia. I think that's extremely unlikely because at the end of the day,
41:40
nobody knows the result of a major nuclear war. Nevertheless, it appears to
41:46
me that Russia is consistently being goaded by the West and this is going to
41:52
lead to problems. Now, something that happened a few days ago. Mike
41:57
did comment on it in the UK column News. I just wanted to repeat
42:00
what was happening, and this was the fact that Ukraine had used drones to
42:05
attack the Russian early warning system. And the early warning system, of course,
42:09
is to provide Russia with warning of a potential nuclear attack. If you
42:15
destroy this system and Russia is blind, then Russia must assume that the next
42:22
thing that will happen is a nuclear attack on Russian soil. But here we
42:25
are with the West clearly helping the Ukraines to undertake this very very very dangerous
42:32
form of attack on Russia. Bloomberg here saying Ukraine claims a second hit on
42:38
Russian missile early warning radar. The distance here is important, twenty miles east
42:46
of Ukraine itself, and in my opinion, this can only happen with the
42:51
full support of the West and the Kiev Post Here really not reporting the reality
42:59
of what's going on. Talking about US Air Force Global Hawk drones and it
43:04
says sea drone strike sinking Russian warships watched by Global Hawk. Well, of
43:09
course the Hawk wasn't just watching, It was doing all sorts of things,
43:14
because these machines are sucking in all sorts of information from video, from signals,
43:21
intelligence, from radar, electronic warfare. These are effectively a battlefield in
43:25
the sky. So what was happening. Ukraine did manage to sink two very
43:30
small Russian boats using sea drones. But here we've got the in red at
43:37
the bottom of your screen the main track of the American drones, and of
43:43
course this would undoubtedly have been providing Ukraine with the targeting. So if we
43:47
sum a bit of this up very quickly, UK NATO are providing the intelligence,
43:54
the signals, intelligent, the satellite area and localized battlefields, aliens,
44:00
command and control, communications, electronic warfare and targeting. This is not just
44:06
being done by Ukraine, that's a nonsense. The UK and NATO are pumping
44:10
in the weapons and the munitions. They are also using the Ukrainian in inverted
44:16
commas Russian war as a live testing ground for current and future weapons and systems,
44:22
so very cruel and cynical. And at the end of the day,
44:27
it's left to Ukraine to provide those troops who are literally cannon fodder for those
44:34
immense explosions that you've seen in the video. And where are the deaths?
44:38
We think somewhere between four hundred thousand and five hundred thousand on the Ukrainian side,
44:44
But of course nobody in the West is reporting that. So where do
44:49
we move from that? Should it be that we're talking about Tony Blair?
44:53
We've seen Boris, but Blair is the man, of course who was winding
44:58
up war in the Middle East all those years ago. Absolutely, yes,
45:02
we need a moment of national renewal and who better to step into the breach
45:07
than Tony Blair who's just issued over the past couple of days a new report
45:12
calling for a new national purpose. A new national purpose is a very profound
45:16
statement. We're going to harness data for health right, So what is it's
45:22
all about? The UK has a unique opportunity to become a world leader in
45:25
the use of health data to drive research and innovation. Realizing these public benefits
45:30
requires the NHS to collaborate with the right partners public sexor organizations, nonprofits,
45:37
academia and private companies without compromising its core principle that healthcare must remain free of
45:42
the point of view. So this is a public private marketplace paid for with
45:45
your taxes, where the pharmaceutical industry is able to experiment on the British public
45:52
algorithmically automatically across this data platform. And this is going to be our new
45:57
national purpose. According to Tony Blair, who is the man pulling the strings
46:00
behind Keir Starmer, what are the four recommendations? So if one is setting
46:05
up a National Data Trust by twenty twenty six as a company owned by the
46:08
government and the NHS with co investment from industry, they're looking for one hundred
46:13
and fifty million pounds of external investment, which means industry will own this core
46:17
national asset, will have part ownership in this core national asset. Number two
46:22
consolidating other existing health data access points, so making this the single source of
46:27
truth for patient data across the entire integrated health system. Number Three creating a
46:32
coherent clinical trial service by integrating the efforts of National Institute for Health and Care
46:37
Research and NHS England, So this is very much about trials. This is
46:40
about the pharmaceutical industry first and foremost, and finally amending legislation on data controllership
46:46
within the NHS to move away from the current model where general practitioners are the
46:51
sole controllers of a lot of patient data. So this is about putting more
46:54
power into the hands of the system administrators and taking it away ultimately for clinicians
47:00
working on the front lines, and there's an extension of that of patients as
47:04
well. Now, not wishing to put the cart before the horse, they
47:07
also issued a target operating model for the new platform. So this is a
47:09
detailed document that came with the with the report which explains exactly how you'd build
47:15
it, has detailed technical architecture, roadmap for implementation, recommendations for how to
47:20
overcome objections and move this through the regulatory process and ultimately put this outside of
47:25
the control of elected politicians and into the hands of this public private consortium that
47:30
they want to run this system. Now, this all sounds quite suspect,
47:35
so Blair has sent an emissary to assuage our concerns and convince us that this
47:40
is actually a good thing. Let's have a little listen to what he has
47:44
to say. The NHS is not savvy enough to use data properly. I
47:51
do think that's true. Certain says types of data should be off limits for
48:01
commercial purposes. Absolutely, that is the right thing to say when we talk
48:07
about the use of health data. There are certainly use cases that are so
48:10
sensitive that we should really just not have it on the table. For example,
48:15
for insurance companies to have access to health data that might lead to adverse
48:20
outcomes. So we need to set out the right guardrails for different kind of
48:23
users when they want to access health data, to make sure that public is
48:28
protected at all costs. Commercialization will only ever have a negative impact on public
48:34
trust. It depends on how you do it, because if you do it
48:37
wrong, not engaging with the public, not really being transparent, not making
48:44
sure that public concerns are properly addressed before you move forward, then obviously whatever
48:49
you're going to do is going to risk losing public trust. The TBI proposal
48:53
here is very attentive to that the NHS is not savvy enough to use data
49:00
properly. I do think that's true, because we need to give a lot
49:04
of credit to the NHS in terms of how they are really trying quite hard
49:07
to make sure that this works. So the Data for nd program and the
49:12
ongoing initiative for Secure Data Environment is a good example of that. The UK
49:16
is already attentive to the question of how to make better use of the data
49:22
resource to drive better health outcomes and innovations. And to accelerate that, the
49:27
government needs to pay more attention to it so that there's more political awareness and
49:30
then it needs more resources. Tbi's proposal here is to try to think of
49:36
a way that can radically use NHS's resources to deliver outcomes that will benefit the
49:43
population. And it really builds on what NHS is doing right now. So
49:51
we have a foreign national. I believe Henry Lee. I believe it's Chinese
49:57
Polity Trust. I think it appears to be early thirties. He is a
50:00
very very young guy. He's been at the Blair Institute for just under two
50:07
years. He started off in as policy leader the Global Health Security Consortium,
50:12
focusing on adult vaccination, pandemic preparedness and response terrifying, and then he's now
50:17
become the Senior Policy Advisor for Policy and Politics. Can you be a policy
50:21
Advisor for policy. That's a bit or, isn't it. But anyway,
50:23
he's here to talk about that our new national purpose, Britain's new national purpose
50:29
is all about health, biotic industrial strategy and really crucially, let's be honest,
50:32
capital markets reform. I'm not feeling particularly reassured. I'm certainly not,
50:37
and I'll just say somebody of the chat box said, well, nobody's taking
50:43
notice of Tony Blair. The problem is that many of the people in the
50:46
wider public are not listening to Tony Blair, but they need to be because
50:51
of course he's describing the sorts of policies that are going to affect all of
50:54
our lives if we allow him to get away with it. So absolutely we
51:00
should all be watching Tony Blair. Thank you for that, Ben Debbie,
51:04
let's bring you back in and what have you got? GLEI that this is
51:10
a collaborative effort between Professor Diane Rasmusen macaddie and Cheryl Granger, because originally we
51:20
are looking at antimicrobial resistance and we're going to be looking at a lot more
51:23
of it in the future. But this is where we need UKC verify and
51:30
we need Diane. So I'm just going to throw this out. There is
51:34
antibiotic resistance fake news, and I'm going to use this as an example because
51:43
have we become antibiotic resistant? Are the public being blamed for overuse and demanding
51:49
too many antibiotics? How much of this antimicrobial resistance narrative is actually genuine?
51:57
So well, Prince William thinks it's a very genuine. In fact, Prince
52:00
William thinks it's so serious and he says that antimicrobial resistant jeopardizes the well being
52:06
of future generations so much so that he's become patron of an appeal to create
52:13
the Fleming Center. So what is the Fleming Center and the Fleming Initiative?
52:20
Well, when we go to look at what the Fleming Initiative is, it
52:23
says that it wants to keep antibiotics working for the next hundred years, one
52:29
hundred years keeping antibiotics working. However, what I would say is keep tuned
52:36
for future broadcasts because we're going to be looking at what antibiotics. So who
52:43
are they partnered with the Fleming Center. I just want to make you aware
52:46
of this, and please note imperial right, So this is very important.
52:51
Moving on, so Imperial College Healthcare are teamed up with Fleming, so just
52:59
take note of that. Now, Prince William's support for Fleming has continued,
53:04
but interestingly it looks like he's put a time limit on it because he says
53:08
he's going to support it for the next five years, which seems extraordinary that
53:14
he's put a time limit on it, but he has. So let's go
53:15
and see who's in the leadership because it's always interesting to see who leads these
53:20
organizations. And we've got Lord Darcy, which I'm sure in future programs Ben
53:23
and Brian will be saying heaps about Lord Darzi. We've got Professor Tim Orchard
53:29
who's a gastro entrologist physician, and Professor Hugh Brady who's the President of Imperial.
53:35
But as we go and look at the senior team, it gets a
53:37
little bit more interesting. And there you see our very own David Halpen and
53:44
you think, well, what is David Halpen doing with regards to antimicrobial resistance.
53:49
Well we'll come on to a bit more of that in a minute.
53:51
And there we have our good friend Dame Sally Davis, the UK Special Envoy
53:55
for antimicrobial Resistance. We've spoken about her before Professor Allison Holmes and Professor Mary
54:01
Ryan. And so this is very interesting actually because just recently when it comes
54:07
to behavioral science, I have to say that we're going to talk a little
54:12
bit about David Helpan and what he's up to now. But for people that
54:15
don't know, Professor Diane Rasmusen Macaddie, who is on Twitter at Diane UKC
54:23
at Diane UKC, is now in contact with the very own Dark Master of
54:30
Cambridge, Professor Sandabanda Linden. So when it comes to behavior, I think
54:37
Diane is going to be bringing us some exclusives because she is now in direct
54:40
contact with him. So when we look at what David Halpan is doing with
54:45
regarding to this Fleming initiative, it's chain, well what is chain chain?
54:51
Content health and AMR Innovation Network, the new media network that's been led by
54:58
Fleming. This is all about behavior. This is all about tackling the spread
55:01
of drug resistant microbes known as AMR. But they talk about partnering experts in
55:07
entertainment, in experts in communications. So we're actually looking at new trusted messengers
55:14
I think we might be. But even more interesting, there's going to be
55:17
this mass video message put out in September twenty twenty four when the United Nations
55:25
are having their very own summit on antimicrobial resistance. So our social media and
55:32
our television screens are going to get bombarded. So this is what we've got
55:37
looking forward to. So I just want to take you to one of David
55:40
Halpan's papers that you can read. This is a behavioral science written by him,
55:45
and you can see the abstract is talking about nudging anti microbial stewardship.
55:52
Well, we'll be talking more about that in future programs because you've got to
55:55
make a pledge now to the UKHSA that you won't use antibiotics good hand good
56:00
hand hygiene, So more sanitizer, doesn't that please everyone? And hospital visitor
56:07
compliance as well. Not to mention meat is we mustn't give antibiotics to animals,
56:13
so let's not forget the animals. So that's part of the team.
56:15
But then I was really surprised to go further on in the team because I
56:20
see three more faces. Rachel Davis, who is Lord Darzi's chief of staff,
56:25
Dr Emily Scott Deering who's curator, and there's Professor Graham Cook Bis Dean
56:31
of Imperial Lead Infection AMR. Now I want to remind you who Graham Cook
56:37
is because I'm very familiar with Professor Graham Cook, because he is actually the
56:42
interim co chair of the MHR. Isn't that convenient? So I went to
56:49
have a look. There's a little resume that will just confirm that he is
56:52
the interim chair of the MHRA. So I went to look at his declaration
56:57
of interest because I thought, oh, that's strange. I don't remember for
57:00
ever seeing the Fleming initiative put on his declaration of interests. So when we
57:05
go to look at February twenty twenty four, we can see that he's declared
57:08
Imperial, he's declared PISA, Sanofi. I mean, you know, this
57:14
is huge conflicts of interests everybody. I know that we're all going to be
57:17
gasping at the fact that he's being paid by Pisa and the likes of Sonofi.
57:22
But this is the truth. He is. But there's no mention of
57:24
Fleming there. So I went to YouTube because I thought, well, I'll
57:30
check out the transcript of the last board meeting that was actually published. So
57:35
the next slide you'll see a picture of the YouTube that I actually went to,
57:39
just so that you can see that there's nothing mentioned. And then I
57:45
thought, well, this is strange. So the Fleming Initiative, well,
57:51
who else are they in collaboration with, Well, I thought, you know
57:53
what, I'm going to write to the MHRA. I'm just going to ask
57:57
them why these declaration of ins haven't been declared. So I sent them an
58:01
email. As you can see there, I won't read it all out,
58:04
but it's just saying basically, if you could let us know why he's not
58:07
declared this by last night so we would be able to broadcast today, we'd
58:13
be grateful. And we got a lovely reply from Jamie at the news desk
58:16
to say, for background, the Fleming the Center is a collaboration between Imperial
58:21
College and HS and Imperial College. Therefore it's covered under the Imperial College Declaration
58:27
on Professor Cook's Declaration of interest list. So I thought, well, this
58:31
is interesting, and I think I'm going to have to go back to Jamie
58:35
again. And I think that Diane is going to have to be doing some
58:38
fact checking because I've now found out that glaxosmith Klein are also funding the Fleming
58:45
Initiative to fight antimicrobial resistance, and I thought, wow, that's interesting.
58:52
How much money are they putting into it while they're putting in a nice,
58:55
eyewatering forty five million and to tackle AMR. But oddly, last week at
59:04
the a at the MHRA board meeting, some a little anomaly happened. Have
59:10
a listen to this and just it literally blinking your miss it. But this
59:15
was picked up at last week's MHR board meeting. Exclusive questions from board.
59:29
Don't be shy, I'll have to ask about AMR. What was all that
59:38
about? Some weird looks and little grins? And why is he even mentioning
59:44
AMR because it wasn't on the agenda, he hasn't declared it. And now
59:49
that he's involved in AMR, technically the MHRA board meeting should be like musical
59:52
chairs and everybody should be getting up and walking out. But I've never seen
59:55
anybody walk out of an MHRA board meeting. So I went to the Declaration
1:00:00
of interests of January twenty twenty three. I trawled back all of the MHRA
1:00:06
database and I found out where he did declare his interests in Imperial and here
1:00:14
it is, so you'll see there Professor Graham Cook. He has declared that
1:00:19
he's updated his declaration due to involvement in a project between Imperial College Healthcare Partners
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and Peiser. So he's declared Pfeiser and Imperial College. But I don't remember
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hearing it on the board meeting, because I listened to every board meeting.
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I've been to every board meeting. I don't remember him declaring it. So
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I went back to the to the original board meeting, and I had a
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listen, and I can't hear it, and I think we might have a
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clip of it. So if we just move on to page number three and
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look at the declarations of interest, can I just ask board member if there
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are any new declarations that have already not been declared. So I'm not seeing
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anybody raising any points there. So on that basis, can I assume that
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the register is accurate? Okay? Having reviewed that register, I concluded that
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there's no reason to ask anybody to step out of the meeting for any of
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the items, and I'm therefore proposing that no further mitigations are required. Can
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I just check everyone's content with that? Thank you? Okay? Hmm,
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that's strange, don't you think that it's written in the minute, but in
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the corresponding video there's no mention of it at all. So I went to
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their policy, the MHRA Policy on Declaring and Managing Interest for Members of the
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MHR Unitary Board. Now, I know that many of our viewers and listeners
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you've all been members of boards before, probably and you've been asked for conflicts
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of interest, or maybe you've even shared boards. So I'd really like your
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advice on this because it says responsible officers Stephen Lightfoot. Well, Stephen Lightfoot
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left nearly a year ago, so it obviously hasn't been updated. It says
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the next review date is due January twenty twenty four. Well we are now
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nearly June twenty twenty four and there is no update. But what does the
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policy actually say. I'm not going to read out everything that it says,
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but it basically says that if members become aware of a matter in which discussion
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at board meetings could be regarding as affecting their impartiality, they must alert the
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Board secretary. And also they say that, you know, if an su
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does arise for discussion, they have to excuse themselves. But I have never
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seen anybody leave the MHRA board meeting, and the conflicts of interests are wide
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and very varied. Not one person has ever got up and left. And
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I want to remind everybody CLU two as well, the MHRA is eighty six
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percent funded by the pharmaceutical company, So I'm not quite sure what exactly has
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been going on at the MHR. Do you call this transparency? Because what
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I would always also say about Professor Graham Cook is he's declared Sanofi, and
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I know that Sanofie makes sodium valparate, and I know that he's never excused
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himself from the room when sodium valparate is being discussed. So there are a
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lot more questions, a lot more examples to bring forward, and I think
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Professor Diane Rasmusen, Macaddie and Cheryl and I are going to be very busy
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moving forward. Is this the next behavioral SIOP? Moving forward? Detailed and
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comprehensive investigation. Really in the comments, I can already see people saying,
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my goodness, this is a major scandal, which of course it is,
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and it's around our health and our safety at the hands of the pharmaceutical companies.
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So I think a lot more work to be done. But of course
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the more people who are awake to what's happening, better our position to get
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it stopped. And I would also say replace some of these people from their
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official posts. Unfortunately, we're out of time, so we're going to have
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to leave it there. Ben, thank you very much your report. Debbie,
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thank you big thank you to our guest James Raguski, another excellent report.
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