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Ian Furness 9/15 H1: Is it over, over? Cougs talking Cougs and more! · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Headlines are brought to you by Frostbrood Coors Light. Choose chill. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. Let's see. AMs blew it again last night.
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  Speaker 1: Lost the Angels 6-4. Put some 5.5 games behind the Astros.
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  Speaker 1: Just 11 games to go. Chiefs dominated the Broncos 31-10
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  Speaker 1: in Monday Night Football last night. Ken Walker went off
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  Speaker 1: 173 yards, 23 carries and a touchdown. Still no update
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  Speaker 1: on Sam Donald's injury other than it's very unique soft
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  Speaker 1: tissue injury. The hip joint is not affected. No specific
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  Speaker 1: timetable for his return. It's being called a short-term injury.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome in. Ashley, speak to me for a second,
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  Speaker 1: will you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My headsets are messed.
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  Speaker 5: Up or something. You also look really low in the chair.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but I like being low in the chair.
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  Speaker 1: My headsets are, I don't know, something's. Can you boost
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  Speaker 1: the level of the headsets?
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  Speaker 5: I can't. You can underneath there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried. Oh, well. As long as you can
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  Speaker 1: hear me, that's fine.
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  Speaker 6: I wonder.
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  Speaker 7: Hold on.
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  Speaker 6: Let me see.
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  Speaker 5: Does that do anything to you?
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  Speaker 1: That's way better. That's way better. What happened there?
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  Speaker 5: Does that make it worse again?
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  Speaker 8: Worse.
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  Speaker 6: That's so weird. There was a button in here that
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  Speaker 6: was red and push, and I had no idea why.
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  Speaker 6: And I didn't want to un-push it because I thought.
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  Speaker 5: Somebody knew what they were doing.
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  Speaker 1: That's almost like the eye test. Better one or better two?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we found out it was better two.
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  Speaker 1: Flip the thing. Better one. They're about the same. Are
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  Speaker 1: you sure? Yeah, I'm sure. Okay. Better one, better two. No,
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  Speaker 1: they're the same.
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  Speaker 5: I'm always like, can you go back?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to screw this up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to screw the test up along the way.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome in on a Tuesday afternoon. Joe Sheehan is going
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  Speaker 1: to join us at 1.20 today. John Lund at 2 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: So we're looking forward to those two conversations. And then
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  Speaker 1: our Cougs will join us at 12.20, our weekly visit
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  Speaker 1: with Alex and MK. That's coming up a little roundtable
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  Speaker 1: at 1220 p.m. this afternoon. Your thoughts, comments, questions, concerns,
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  Speaker 1: 49451 on the Tacoma Dodge text line. And we've got
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  Speaker 1: fact or fiction. Ashley Ryan will take a picket.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 8: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: That did not sound like a... or filled with confidence.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean, I get nervous every time I do
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  Speaker 5: it because I don't want to screw it up. I
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  Speaker 5: like to win.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'd like you to win because it reflects well
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  Speaker 1: on our show and based on my start last week,
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  Speaker 1: it's not going well for this particular show.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I got a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: Work to do to help you. You do. And I
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  Speaker 1: was the guy that jinxed it because I blamed Jessamyn
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  Speaker 1: for our struggles as a show last year. Now, that
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  Speaker 1: was legit based on her record.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, she was not good?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she's listening.
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  Speaker 5: No, she's not. She's busy.
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  Speaker 1: She's out doing stuff. All right, so we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: a lot coming up today. The Sam Darnold stuff, we'll
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  Speaker 1: kind of keep an eye on things to see if
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  Speaker 1: they sign a guy. I mentioned this with Jackson a
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  Speaker 1: moment ago. Do they sign a player as a third quarterback?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think even if they do that that's necessarily a–
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  Speaker 1: because they'd put him on the practice squad, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily an indictment on what's going
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  Speaker 1: to happen with Darnold in terms of longer term or
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  Speaker 1: what have you. I would think they'd want to have
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  Speaker 1: a third quarterback in the building going to Arizona, but
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  Speaker 1: they haven't done that yet. As far as we can tell,
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  Speaker 1: if they do, we'll let you know. But that's the
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  Speaker 1: only thing I could see happening of news and noteworthy
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  Speaker 1: today in terms of Darnold. I know that's like one
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  Speaker 1: of the big topics, the biggest topic in town is
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  Speaker 1: his health. Rightfully so, the quarterback of the defending Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl champion, his health. I'm going to be that guy
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  Speaker 1: for a second. I'm just going to be that guy
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  Speaker 1: for a heartbeat. Like watching that game yesterday and the
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  Speaker 1: Monday Night Football game, I swear, does anybody know Seattle
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  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl last year?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they do.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Because the only actual story I even saw about the
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  Speaker 6: season opening game, aside from Sam Darnold, was that nobody
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  Speaker 6: watched it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then the other thing, I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 1: anybody knows the Patriots won the AFC.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they did.
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  Speaker 1: Far be it for me to give them any credit ever.
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  Speaker 5: Breaking news.
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  Speaker 1: But Denver didn't win.
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  Speaker 7: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: I know they were in the title game, and if
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  Speaker 1: Bo was healthy, they would have won.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway.
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  Speaker 5: Bo was healthy last night, wasn't he?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He was.
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  Speaker 2: God.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Not a good few days for Oregon quarterbacks, X or current.
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  Speaker 7: No. No, it's rough.
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  Speaker 5: It's rough. It's hard out there for a duck.
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  Speaker 1: I know people are upset about that.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, all you duck fans.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 5: Are we supposed to cater to them?
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all. I know two of them, though.
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  Speaker 1: My buddy Shrek and my buddy Will Fallon. So outside
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  Speaker 1: of those two guys, nobody cares. All right. We'll spend
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  Speaker 1: more time on the baseball team later.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll do it right now. After the Monday night
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  Speaker 1: game ends, I flip over. And it was 6-3 at
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  Speaker 1: the time. All I could do was just kind of
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  Speaker 1: shake my head. I don't think people give up in baseball.
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  Speaker 1: I think baseball is a sport where you don't really
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  Speaker 1: necessarily pack it in. I mean, you can as a
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  Speaker 1: manager by determining who's playing and who's not playing. But
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  Speaker 1: it's so based on individual stats. Nobody wants to strike out.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to fly out. But maybe you lose some focus.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I'm not going to say–
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  Speaker 1: far be it for me to say a team's given
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  Speaker 1: up or quit. But, boy, I mean, if there was
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  Speaker 1: any doubt before– like, we talked about it last week.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was Joe said it last– Joe Sheehan's
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  Speaker 1: going to join us at 120. I think he said
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  Speaker 1: it last Tuesday. They effectively had to sweep the Rangers
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  Speaker 1: and the Astros. They lost the first game to the Rangers.
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  Speaker 1: They did win the series. But then that's coming off
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  Speaker 1: the series loss to Sacramento along the way. Mm-hmm. And
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to Joe about all that stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: he's just kind of going through the math and what
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  Speaker 1: it's going to take. To lose a series again to
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  Speaker 1: the A's after only taking one of three against the
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  Speaker 1: Rangers and then to come out and lose the first
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  Speaker 1: game against the Angels, I don't know. If there was
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  Speaker 1: any doubt whatsoever, I think it's been erased. They're done.
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  Speaker 5: It's really hard to.
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  Speaker 6: And I am eternally optimistic until the day we are
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  Speaker 6: mathematically eliminated. Even then sometimes I think, well, something weird
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  Speaker 6: could happen and they could.
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  Speaker 5: Still find a way.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe a pandemic will hit or something.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, something.
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  Speaker 6: But after last night, I was just like, I just
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  Speaker 6: don't know. Because there's nothing that lets you believe that
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  Speaker 6: this team can do it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem. They drop, they get lucky because no
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  Speaker 1: one else is playing last night. So they're five and
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  Speaker 1: a half back. They just dropped the half game to
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  Speaker 1: the Astros and the Rangers are the problem now. They're,
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  Speaker 1: you know, God. a team that's two games under 500
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  Speaker 1: and five and five in its last 10 is the
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  Speaker 1: team that's now surging. I'll use that word in quotation,
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  Speaker 1: surging in the AL West. Your only shot, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I guess in a sense, you still have a shot
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  Speaker 1: at the division. It's a long shot.
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  Speaker 4: You do.
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  Speaker 5: It's yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The wild card is just so over. Like there's no,
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  Speaker 1: like you have, I was reading a thing in the
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  Speaker 1: athletic yesterday and they're handicapping the, the, the playoff races.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't even mention Seattle in the wildcard race. They
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  Speaker 1: had Boston, which is already in. Cleveland, Toronto, Texas, Baltimore, Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: and Minnesota were all mentioned. Seattle wasn't even mentioned in
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  Speaker 1: the article. They're only a half game behind Minnesota, by
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  Speaker 1: the way. But they weren't even mentioned. The problem with
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  Speaker 1: the wildcard is you were going to have to be
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  Speaker 1: at worse and probably not even this, 81-81. Well, doing
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  Speaker 1: the quick math.
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  Speaker 1: The Mariners have to win out to finish 500.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you still have to finish above the Rangers,
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  Speaker 6: who are ahead of you in your division and in
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  Speaker 6: the wildcard.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: So if you finish 81-81, I don't even know if
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  Speaker 1: it's possible for Cleveland, Toronto, Baltimore, and Detroit to all finish...
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  Speaker 1: below that anyway because they're playing each other.
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  Speaker 5: They have to have epic fails.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to play each other, so the wins are
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  Speaker 1: going to get... There's a couple of those teams playing
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  Speaker 1: each other along the way. So let's just say the
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  Speaker 1: wild card, you're done. The wild card is a not... Which, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be a wild card team anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I like to have home field advantage. But watching that
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  Speaker 1: team last night, and here's what jumped out, Ash, and
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  Speaker 1: I sometimes read way... I'll be the first to admit,
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  Speaker 1: I read way too much sometimes into things in a postgame.
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  Speaker 1: Kate Anderson, his... Demeanor, his body language, his answers. He's
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  Speaker 1: only been here for a month, and he was done.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, looked over it.
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  Speaker 1: Just one word answering. Cal was asked basically only about
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  Speaker 1: Cade by Divish, and I think Kramer was there. But Cal,
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  Speaker 1: you could tell, just didn't want to be there. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: the dugout after the game, Arroyo's kind of smiling and laughing, going, hey, cool,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the NFL. Or in the Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 2: This is cool.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone else you could just see is like, can I
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: book my vacation? I would love to know. How many
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  Speaker 1: guys have already booked their vacation? Because it's probably happened.
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  Speaker 5: Well, mentally, maybe more than we think.
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  Speaker 1: The Naylor at bat. Naylor's last at bat against a
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  Speaker 1: guy that it proved was throwing all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: Was it Powell? I think it is, right? Like, first
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  Speaker 1: pitch swinging. Like, buddy, what are you doing? You just
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  Speaker 1: want to get out of there that bad? He did.
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  Speaker 6: Is it that or is it that they're all just
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  Speaker 6: overthinking everything, trying so hard to make something happen and
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  Speaker 6: forgetting the fundamentals that they know about baseball?
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to think that.
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  Speaker 5: I would, too. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, though.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's wishful thinking. Dang it. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: just they— and part of it is the reality of if
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  Speaker 1: you're those guys looking at it going, yeah, we're pretty
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  Speaker 1: much done.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I guess if you took the next two from the Angels,
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  Speaker 1: then you improved to 72 and 81. Now you're only
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  Speaker 1: nine games below 500. Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 5: See, look at that. Look at that. It's what dreams
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  Speaker 5: are made of.
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  Speaker 1: Go to the Rockies. They're 40 games under 500. You
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  Speaker 1: should be able to get a couple there, right? Oh, God.
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  Speaker 1: And then you come home and you... Should be able to.
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  Speaker 5: Should have been able to get some from the Angels
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  Speaker 5: and the A's.
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  Speaker 1: And therein lies the problem. That's the problem. You had
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  Speaker 1: every opportunity over the last week and a half to
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  Speaker 1: make up ground. Hell, have a decent run at all.
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  Speaker 1: You're in. You're sitting atop. You're a game out or
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  Speaker 1: you're in. In the West, nope. Nope. I heard Chuck
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  Speaker 1: and Anders talking this morning about changes in the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even think of that right now. I need
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  Speaker 1: to mourn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I need a period of getting over this.
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  Speaker 1: I need to mourn and be done with it for
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  Speaker 1: a while because it's so frustrating seeing this team, the
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  Speaker 1: talent that they have, I mean, you know the only
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  Speaker 1: positive I came out of last night? Taylor Ward's last at-bat,
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  Speaker 1: he actually drew a walk, which is what they went
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  Speaker 1: to get him for.
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  Speaker 5: I said the same thing. I was like, oh, great.
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  Speaker 5: Here comes Taylor Ward.
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  Speaker 6: And then he walked.
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  Speaker 2: I said, wow.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't seen him do that. That's what he was
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  Speaker 5: supposed to be able to do.
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  Speaker 1: I think Goldsmith mentioned, well, you know, or Angie said
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  Speaker 1: he's a lot different hitter than when he was here
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  Speaker 1: with the Angels. Because remember, when he was with the Angels,
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  Speaker 1: he's a 40 home run guy.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he's got seven this year. And I think one
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  Speaker 1: was Seattle, right? Something like that?
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  Speaker 5: Not a lot. Yeah, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: So you're thinking, okay, well, that would have been funny
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  Speaker 1: if he would have hit a home run.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been hilarious. But it was not to be.
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  Speaker 1: And they lose again. And the M's, you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: four and six in your last 10. You lost two
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  Speaker 1: in a row. You're just playing out the string. And
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  Speaker 1: it's sad. It's unfortunate. And we'll go down in a
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  Speaker 1: 50-year history. of this baseball team, this may go down
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  Speaker 1: as the most disappointing season ever. And just because the
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  Speaker 1: lack of enjoyment, we talked about it yesterday, the unlikable,
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  Speaker 1: but the lack of enjoyment fans have had this season.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like the entire year there has just been
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  Speaker 1: frustration and consternation and anger. And I don't know, like, yeah,
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: these guys have lost 90 and 100 games a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of times. They got knocked out in 2001 of the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs earlier than they should have with 116 wins. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you could ever have a more disappointing
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  Speaker 1: season than these guys put together this year.
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  Speaker 6: No, I don't think it's possible. Not based off the expectations.
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  Speaker 6: And the expectations were so high.
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  Speaker 1: And wasn't last night kind of a great illustration of
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  Speaker 1: who and what they are and this season is?
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  Speaker 5: Seemed like it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And it was real sad.
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  Speaker 1: Real sad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Gilbert goes to the mound tonight. Maybe he'll get
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  Speaker 1: a win. Who knows?
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  Speaker 2: Perfect.
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  Speaker 5: And keep us hanging on just long enough to go
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  Speaker 5: to the very end.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: You haven't heard our guy, Eno Saris, yet. He joins
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: us Thursdays.
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  Speaker 5: Is he the one that said that Dan Wilson's like
• 12:41
  Speaker 5: a houseplant?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's Joe Sheehan. Oh, that's Joe Sheehan. But Eno's
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  Speaker 1: a big, big pitching guy. Spin rates, velocity, nerd, all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Perfect.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about Kate Anderson because
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  Speaker 1: I saw somebody mention this last night on social media,
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  Speaker 1: and usually these are things I just kind of ignore,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought it might be true. Kate Anderson looks
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  Speaker 1: very normal. Very average. 93 for 94 mile an hour fastball. Like,
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  Speaker 1: is his command and all that, is he good enough
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  Speaker 1: to be a guy? I know he was a guy
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  Speaker 1: down lower levels. We got to ask that question Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: I'll ask Joe, too. Joe will have a thought on that.
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  Speaker 1: That's coming up at 120. When we come back, not
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: a great start for Kirby Moore and his tenure at
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: Washington State and the new Pac-12. We had eyes on
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: a Pac-12 crown. Still could get it. Haven't played a
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  Speaker 1: conference game.
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  Speaker 2: Yet, Ash.
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  Speaker 5: You got this. You got this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if we have this. We'll find out next.
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  Speaker 8: Maple Valley where fitness meets family. Now for all things Cougs,
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  Speaker 8: here's Ian with the Cougar Legends.
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  Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Cougs talking Cougs. Alex and
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  Speaker 1: Demke are here.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 1: What a start. 0-2 for the Cougs. You could make
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  Speaker 1: an argument statistically, maybe even just what your eyes see,
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  Speaker 1: one of the worst, if not the worst, Offenses in
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  Speaker 1: the country, Duquesne in town this week, so maybe things
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  Speaker 1: will turn around a little bit as well, but let's
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  Speaker 1: just get some initial thoughts from what we've seen, games
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  Speaker 1: one and two, and maybe even Kansas State. I'll start
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  Speaker 1: with Alex Brink, who was down there in, looks like
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  Speaker 1: it was hot and humid. manhattan kansas we got the
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  Speaker 1: full we got the full midwestern experience with the uh
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  Speaker 1: you know lightning delay and all the things um yeah
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  Speaker 1: i mean i think you know washington state's got a
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  Speaker 1: look in the mirror i think everybody's kind of said
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  Speaker 1: that um you know after the first two weeks there's
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  Speaker 1: no doubt that Offensively, they haven't been productive at all.
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  Speaker 4: I think defensively, it's a solid unit, but they don't
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  Speaker 4: have a ton of depth. That showed up for sure
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  Speaker 4: on Saturday without missing a couple corners, missing a defensive end.
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  Speaker 4: It just feels like that unit's gotten worn down over
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  Speaker 4: a couple weeks against a couple of good football teams.
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  Speaker 4: I'll preface this by saying that there's a pretty good
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  Speaker 4: chance both those teams are ranked by the time the
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  Speaker 4: season's over. I think Kansas State's a really good football team.
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  Speaker 4: That's a tough two-week stretch on the road. So I'm
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  Speaker 4: hoping for this team that they're able to make the
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  Speaker 4: necessary adjustments and say, hey, we need to figure out
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  Speaker 4: what our identity is offensively. um, you know, get a,
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  Speaker 4: get a, you know, a week or two where they
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  Speaker 4: can rest and recover and then prepare for, um, you know,
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  Speaker 4: prepare to execute on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, you know, overall, everybody's disappointed.
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  Speaker 4: I will kind of hearken back, not even 12 months
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  Speaker 4: ago when after North Texas, everybody thought the sky was
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  Speaker 4: falling also, uh, you know, for the Washington state football team. And, um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you can dig yourself out of these scenarios. Um,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, that's where we find out if, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the coaches and players can buy in and figure it
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  Speaker 4: out together.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and also the same thing. That's the first thing
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  Speaker 7: I wrote down is identity, right? No one knew or
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  Speaker 7: knows what the identity of this team is going to be,
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  Speaker 7: but we play, and Ian, you and I are the
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  Speaker 7: biggest advocates of never taking a moral win or that
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  Speaker 7: victory because of these things in place, but I'll tell
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  Speaker 7: you right now, we played against two absolutely great teams.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, they're good teams. They're going to be ranked,
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  Speaker 7: like Alex said, at the end of the year fast,
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  Speaker 7: and they're all on the same page, but We're not
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  Speaker 7: going to win by, you know, giving the ball over,
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  Speaker 7: not scoring any points, messing up on special teams. Those
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  Speaker 7: things right there we already see is a factor that
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  Speaker 7: we can fix. So I think everything I've seen on
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  Speaker 7: film are things that are small tweaks. Now, going into
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  Speaker 7: a Duquesne that we're going to play on Saturday is
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  Speaker 7: probably the best case scenario to kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 7: to pin it back and have a team that, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you match up, you should match up way better than. And,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I think they were throttled. 70 points got
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  Speaker 7: put up on them.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. This is the one thing about Washington State, though,
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  Speaker 7: is these sleeper games, right? It's like, oh, we're going
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  Speaker 7: to come in and roll you. This is the one
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  Speaker 7: that you can't come into a little too confident.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to them in a second. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was Jamie Vinnick on Coug Fan wrote a great
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  Speaker 1: piece just about the difference between these guys in Idaho
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  Speaker 1: and Eastern and Portland State. You don't have a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of Northwest kids that feel like they got slighted by
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  Speaker 1: the bigger school coming in all revved up. There's no
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  Speaker 1: connections at all. So hopefully it's a get-right game and
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  Speaker 1: get-fixed game. I want to get to the defense. I
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  Speaker 1: want to get to the lack of playmakers. Freeman out
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  Speaker 1: for the year.
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  Speaker 2: Is just brutal.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't have asked for a worse scenario than that.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to all that in a second. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to start with Alex because I think you've been through this.
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  Speaker 1: You were a quarterback. I think it might have been
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  Speaker 1: your first Pac-12, Pac-10 start at Oregon State. I remember
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  Speaker 1: being down there and it was just like a deluge
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  Speaker 1: of beavers everywhere. The damn chainsaws going all day. You
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  Speaker 1: know what it's like to be under the gun. There's
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  Speaker 1: been a lot of talk about Caden Pinnock, both his play,
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  Speaker 1: which we can get to in a second, but also
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  Speaker 1: post-game on Saturday, it was one-word answer guy and just
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  Speaker 1: a really, really bad look for the so-called leader of
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  Speaker 1: your team, the quarterback. He came back yesterday, and in
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  Speaker 1: fairness to him, it looked like people say, well, he
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  Speaker 1: was prompted to do that. Here's the thing. He spoke
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  Speaker 1: yesterday without notes, not off the script, straight from the heart, Basically,
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  Speaker 1: he said, I was wrong. I got to be better.
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  Speaker 1: I think it sounds like his mom's a huge influence
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  Speaker 1: in his life, and she may have spoken to him.
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  Speaker 1: You know, everyone's calling, let's get Eshelman in there, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and we went through this last year with
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Potter starting the year before Zevi came in. So
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  Speaker 1: we've seen this act before. But Alex, you can probably understand, relate,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe even condemn, or whatever, however you want to go,
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  Speaker 1: the situation with Pinnock better than anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, very viscerally, like I've been there. I've
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  Speaker 4: been in those shoes. And candidly, I've done the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's happened to me before. I did it
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  Speaker 4: in college after we lost to Oregon. And you can
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  Speaker 4: call Bill Stevens. He will tell you how frustrated he
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  Speaker 4: was with me in that moment, you know, when I
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  Speaker 4: chose to take a similar route.
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  Speaker 2: And you learn a lot from it. You know, here's
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  Speaker 2: what I'll.
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  Speaker 4: Say is that, again, you know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: frustration in that building as there should be.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of competitors in that building. And
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  Speaker 2: Cain's one of them.
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  Speaker 4: I think people need to understand a little bit, uh,
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  Speaker 4: one about, you know, Caden as an athlete, like he's obviously, uh,
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  Speaker 4: very passionate about, you know, wanting to do right by
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  Speaker 4: Washington state. And, uh, The thing is, he's a sophomore.
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  Speaker 4: He's never experienced what he's experiencing through these first two weeks.
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  Speaker 4: They were wildly successful at UC Davis. They didn't have
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  Speaker 4: any level of media scrutiny or media you know training
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  Speaker 4: or getting in front of the media like that and
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a fantastic learning lesson I I know
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  Speaker 4: for a fact that yesterday he was candid about um
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  Speaker 4: you know and contrite with what happened he knows that
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  Speaker 4: you know he made a mistake and you know that's
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  Speaker 4: that's one of those things that as athletes you learn
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  Speaker 4: I think people that you know are trying to kind
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  Speaker 4: of kill him over it you know and he takes
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  Speaker 4: that back and realize that you know he's a young
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  Speaker 4: man that's kind of learning what this is all about
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  Speaker 4: and that if you really take another step back and
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  Speaker 4: you watch the 60 minutes that football game, he got
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  Speaker 4: his absolute butt kicked in that entire game. just taking hits,
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  Speaker 4: getting beat up. Again, if he's not on the field
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  Speaker 4: through those first two games, you can say what you want.
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  Speaker 4: He's the only one making plays in this moment for
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  Speaker 4: the Washington State football team. And whether the design needs
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  Speaker 4: to change or they execute all the things, that's just
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  Speaker 4: the reality. And so, again, people have listened to me
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  Speaker 4: long enough. I've lived it, so I'm always going to take...
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  Speaker 4: the side and the perspective that the quarterback is out
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  Speaker 4: there trying his best to win football games and giving
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  Speaker 4: it his all. And so I just, I can't buy
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  Speaker 4: into that. I understand the frustration. Everybody wants to win,
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  Speaker 4: you know, but he's a young man that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: made a mistake on Saturday and owned it on Monday.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's a totally fair, fair space. And
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  Speaker 4: let's judge him by his actions moving forward, not by
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  Speaker 4: the actions of the past.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And I agree though, too, Alex. I mean, I will
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  Speaker 7: say that I played with you and you never went
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  Speaker 7: that far as far as But like you were saying,
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  Speaker 7: he's a kid. And Justin had to talk me off
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  Speaker 7: the ledge too because as soon as I saw that
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  Speaker 7: as an older guy, more mature and been through a
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  Speaker 7: lot of things naturally, I'm like, no, you can't do that.
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  Speaker 7: But I've been through those experiences.
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  Speaker 2: He hasn't.
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  Speaker 7: And as a young kid, I keep reminding myself, he's
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  Speaker 7: a richer sophomore, right? He's a young kid. And he's
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  Speaker 7: at the highest platform he's ever played at. So to
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  Speaker 7: get your butt just absolutely drug all over the field
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  Speaker 7: and wanting to be a winner is So that's one
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  Speaker 7: thing I do see as a positive. It's like he
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  Speaker 7: wants to win. So he was so frustrated that it
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  Speaker 7: came out in not the best way. But learning experience,
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  Speaker 7: he'll never do that again, right?
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  Speaker 4: Hey, let me add one other small piece just because
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of sides to this. So fans understand
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  Speaker 4: what happens after a game is Kane literally walked off
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  Speaker 4: the field, listened to his coach address the team, and
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  Speaker 4: then walked in front of those media members.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? That's a hard moment.
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  Speaker 2: Think about, compare this to what's happening at Oregon right now.
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  Speaker 2: You know what Oregon did?
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  Speaker 4: They kept their they kept their star quarterback out of
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  Speaker 4: the media, which was even worse.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't even address it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and you can like so I just again,
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  Speaker 4: I think we need to give everybody grace in these
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  Speaker 4: scenarios and appreciate like the full spectrum of what happened.
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  Speaker 2: And then again, say like it wasn't the right way
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  Speaker 2: to handle it. Did we learn from it?
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Let's move on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I think there's a couple of things to play.
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  Speaker 1: Alex Brink and Crystal Bruce here. When you were in it,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have the social media issue either, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: so like there would have been like, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: hundred people would have seen it and it would have
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  Speaker 1: been written in Coug fan and that's about it, right?
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  Speaker 1: Spokesman Review would have had something kick. So why in Spokane?
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  Speaker 1: That's it would have ended there. It goes viral and
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  Speaker 1: you see all that stuff. And, you know, that's a
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  Speaker 1: good point with Dante Moore in Oregon. Like Dante Moore
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  Speaker 1: is a, you know, three, $ 4 million quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Try $ 8 million.
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  Speaker 1: $ 8 million quarterback. MK, you played the wrong position in
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  Speaker 1: the wrong time. I thought the Oregon look was far worse.
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  Speaker 2: Far worse.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't accountability, what we wanted, but it was there.
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  Speaker 1: Last night, Kate Anderson, the Mariners' young phenom pitcher, just
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  Speaker 1: one word answering in the post-game interview with Ryan Divish
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  Speaker 1: on TV, and I'm like, dude, like you've got to
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  Speaker 1: be better like you have to be better you're and
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  Speaker 1: the thing is like he's like eight nine starts into
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  Speaker 1: his career and i i thought that and he played
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  Speaker 1: at lsu like like that was a bad look too
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  Speaker 1: like guys make mistakes i thought the biggest thing was
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  Speaker 1: yesterday that that to me was okay we're moving ahead
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  Speaker 1: i'm assuming alex and you mentioned making plays i'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: kirby morris said hey i don't need you to worry
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  Speaker 1: about anything you're the guy moving forward let's go relax.
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  Speaker 1: He went out there and handled that. And now you
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  Speaker 1: take the next step. I'm guessing that's the case. We've
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  Speaker 1: talked about it before with Duggar and Ashleman. This guy
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  Speaker 1: has to be given them the best chance to win.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise he wouldn't be in there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think there's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think you, I think you can, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you can look at the play and you can watch,
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  Speaker 4: you know, play for play all the way down. You had,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you had the first against Washington, right? Like
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  Speaker 4: he had four drops and three of them were consequential
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  Speaker 4: on consequential downs. Against Kansas State, he had another four drops,
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  Speaker 4: maybe five, on very consequential downs. So I thought he
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  Speaker 4: threw the football really well on Saturday and didn't get
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  Speaker 4: a lot of help in that regard. And then situationally,
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  Speaker 4: you're in some spots where it's like third and one,
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  Speaker 4: fourth and one, and you're not probably getting the best
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  Speaker 4: call in that moment. to be successful. And you, you're not,
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  Speaker 4: you know, again, you're not, you're not productive offensive. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's a, it's an all 11 plus the coaching
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  Speaker 4: staff sort of situation. And it's easy to point to
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  Speaker 4: Caden or it's easy to point to one thing. But
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  Speaker 4: I think Kirby Moore's point after the game and this
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  Speaker 4: week was like, we all got to get better. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the reality of it. You know, and
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  Speaker 4: it starts at the top and works down from there.
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  Speaker 7: I think, I think the number one thing we're seeing
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  Speaker 7: right now, we can all agree on is the third
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  Speaker 7: down conversion. I mean, we're not going to win games
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  Speaker 7: unless we can figure this out. I mean, it's, it's atrocious.
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  Speaker 7: You know what I mean? I mean, what's, what's, What's
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  Speaker 7: the biggest thing you see on third down plays that
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  Speaker 7: we can't get to that next level or continue the drives?
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  Speaker 2: It's not even third down. It starts on first down
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  Speaker 2: for me.
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  Speaker 4: You got to give yourself to get to third and
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  Speaker 4: manageable and stay out of third and eight to 10
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  Speaker 4: and 12, right? And so to me, and I am
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  Speaker 4: a proponent, probably because I'm a quarterback, I want to
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  Speaker 4: throw to win. I want the ball in my hand
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  Speaker 4: to win games, right? I want to see, you know,
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  Speaker 4: spread the field, throw screens on first down.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make sure... I don't want... The challenge of.
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  Speaker 4: Running the football all the time on first down is
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  Speaker 4: if you get nothing, you're stacked up.
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  Speaker 2: It's a second and 10.
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  Speaker 4: And then you don't really, then you don't have like
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  Speaker 4: a lot of options. So, you know, I think it'll
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  Speaker 4: be interesting to see. I mean, depending on, again, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what tack they take with Duquesne because hopefully
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  Speaker 4: they come out and just play fantastic. But it's one
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  Speaker 4: of those things where, you know, in my opinion, you
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  Speaker 4: need to throw the ball more than run it with
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  Speaker 4: a guy like get the ball and and you've got
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  Speaker 4: good running backs that can help in their past game
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  Speaker 4: you got you know you got a couple good receivers
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  Speaker 4: that give yourself a chance but you can't be doing
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  Speaker 4: it if you're doing it on third from third and
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  Speaker 4: eight to twelve uh consistently you're not going to be
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  Speaker 4: successful it's just the reality.
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  Speaker 7: You also got a guy that can continue to play
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  Speaker 7: right if the the progressions break down he's a guy
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  Speaker 7: that can go to the sticks and get you that
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  Speaker 7: first down right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that's and that's my point is like if you
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  Speaker 4: give him a chance to throw first and run second
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  Speaker 4: right rather than just hand it off or him him
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  Speaker 4: being the only option running the football then um i
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  Speaker 4: think you become way more multiple and more dangerous you
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  Speaker 4: know and it would look like you know at mk
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  Speaker 4: it would look like what you saw from kansas state
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  Speaker 4: on saturday on saturday which is a lot of screen
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  Speaker 4: on first down drop back pass on second down and
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  Speaker 4: then the quarterback if he doesn't like it he's making
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  Speaker 4: plays with his.
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  Speaker 7: Legs Yeah, and honestly, this is an offense Washington State
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  Speaker 7: hasn't seen before, right? So we're used to just airing
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  Speaker 7: it out and getting after it, and I feel like
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  Speaker 7: there's a lot of things that we're like, okay, what
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  Speaker 7: is happening right now?
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  Speaker 2: Like, who are we, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're spending– yeah, and listen, I want to get quickly–
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to the defense before I wrap it up,
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  Speaker 1: but just quickly, MK, you know, as a defensive guy,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the issues start up front on
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line. I mean, it looks like they made
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  Speaker 1: a switch at left guard for the second half. Martin
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  Speaker 1: got out, and they started moving some guys around. didn't
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  Speaker 1: help at all, obviously, but I mean, what do you
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  Speaker 1: see MK as the defensive lineman against that offensive line?
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  Speaker 1: Cause I panic and the running backs and a lack of,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we can get the receiver situation a second,
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  Speaker 1: but if you're not getting guys blocked up front, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 7: Well, big thing too is, is game's not the biggest guy, right?
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  Speaker 7: He's a shorter quarterback. So he needs a little bit
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  Speaker 7: more spread openness in front of him in the pockets.
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  Speaker 1: Quite.
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  Speaker 7: It's just collapsing in his lap. So, Him trying to
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  Speaker 7: look over the line and go through his progressions, it's
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  Speaker 7: happening so fast. And I tell people all the time,
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  Speaker 7: as a defensive lineman, I'm thinking 1,000, 1,000, 2,000, 3.
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  Speaker 7: I've got to get to the quarterback. So that's the
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  Speaker 7: cadence that you're thinking about. And he literally is getting–
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  Speaker 7: he's not even getting to three seconds, and he's got
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  Speaker 7: to get the ball out or he's got to run
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  Speaker 7: or do something. But it's caving on him quick.
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  Speaker 1: Alex, all of us have called plays at the highest level.
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  Speaker 1: Every fan has. So everyone's an offensive coordinator. But I'll
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: lean on you here for a second because there has
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: been criticism of Miller in his first year. People saying
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: maybe Kirby needs to take control of the offense. What
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: do you see?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: I reserve judgment to see a little bit more time
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: in how it plays out. I think Matt Miller has
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: the capacity and the understanding and the background to be
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: able to do it. I think, again, one piece that
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: I will say off the bat is losing your best
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: playmaker right out of the gate when you didn't have
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: that many playmakers hurts. And then the second point about
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: the offensive line really matters. You bring back all of
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: your returners, right? in the offensive line. So you think
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: you're going to have consistency and continuity and you got
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: your three running backs.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: And you want to be.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: I think the idea was you wanted to be that
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: team that ran the ball on first down and you
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: were productive and you kind of looked like Boise State
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: looked on Saturday, which is really dynamic in the running game.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: And you're just.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Whether it's because you're playing or you're executing, you're just not.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: And so now as a coordinator, you got to kind
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: of flip it and be like, all right, who are
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: we going to be? And that's really going to be,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, that's going to be the evaluation on
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Matt Miller moving forward is how does he adjust? Because
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: you are where you are two games in the season.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: And now that you put that on tape, you got
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: to make the adjustment. You know, whether Kirby's involved or not,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. I'm sure at some point
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: he will be because he's an offensive guy. But, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: I do think, you know, Coach Miller has the chance
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: to make the adjustment and then find success moving forward.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, too, like you mentioned, the guys
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: all coming back. And, you know, we live in a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: day and age in which guys get paid. And, you know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I think your guy that probably got the most was
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: your left tackle in Tripp. And I don't buy into
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: PFF as much as I used to because they cut
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: everybody back. It's pro football focus, which also has college rankings.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: But he had a one rating. And that's 60s average.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: That's awful for your left tackle. He's got to be better.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Your best offense alignment has to be better. Sometimes it
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: comes down to this. We talk about this all the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: time with all sports. Sometimes the players just have to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: be better. Play up to what you're supposed to be.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: We don't expect you to be an SEC All-American, but
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you've got to be playing better, and those guys haven't.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Let's get to the defense real quick, MK. They're worn out.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: When they have been fresh... We've seen some pretty good
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: things from that defense.
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, a lot of backing quarters.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And missing two corners and everything else. I mean, mixing
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and matching that secondary. I mean, they're missing dudes, but
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I like the potential of the defense. And Avery Johnson,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: holy smokes, man, besides having the best flow in the game,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: he's a playmaker. You've had two really good quarterbacks.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: He's like, I mean, our secondary, surprisingly enough, I didn't
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: know what our strength was going to be. And our secondary,
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: I think, is playing excellent right now. we haven't gotten
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: to the quarterback. Like we're not getting there. So that's
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: a hard part too. But I tell people all the time,
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: it's like, everything's about situationals, right? So you're, you're, you're
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: getting down big and all of a sudden the whole
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: offense changes. So your strategy changes, your game plan changes
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: out the door when we're not putting points on.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: So totally different game where we're, we have different plays called,
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: we have different strengths, all different blitzes or whatever packages
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: coming in if we're up or down. So, you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: as we start getting down a couple of scores, it's like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: everything's out the window and then you're just trying to
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: come back. And then it's just, It's a different bargain,
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: but we can't be out there that long, that many plays,
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: getting beat up. You have to have some kind of
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: momentum shift. So I think defensively it's been our strong suit.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: It's just our backs against the wall the whole time.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: I think they're getting gassed, honestly.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. That's MK.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Alex with us. Before we wrap things up, Alex, I
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: thought we'd see more Maxwell Woods. Uh, and, and I,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I saw they get creative with the receiving depth being
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: what it is. They'll split him out. They'll split the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: wide backs out. I love seeing the two backs in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: there with him and Voorhees at times. I just thought
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: we'd see a little bit more of, of number three.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Are you surprised we haven't seen him as much?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the exact snap count.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: It feels like he's been on the field a lot.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know whether it's play calls or targeting and
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: how those things happen. I think there's been an effort,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: particularly last week, to get all three backs on the
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: field in some different packages, which I think was... creative
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: and has a chance to really pay dividends. But yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think again, like it, this sounds so simplistic,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: but I just, I am, I'm a proponent of throwing
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the ball on first half, right? Like this is the
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: old Mike Leach thing. Like he's going to throw and
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: give his guys a chance. And like a guy like
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Maxwell Woods, if you give him the ball out in
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: the flat one-on-one with the corner, he's probably going to
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: beat him.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Right. So throw a screen, give, give him a chance, right?
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: You got a couple of receivers that can block and
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: are decent or big bodies. Like use those things to
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: get your playmakers, you know, the, an opportunity.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: So I, I don't know.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, the one thing I'll say, you know, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: nobody wants to hear this, but, you know, this was
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: always going to be a tough stretch to start. And,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: you know, on paper, it gets easier from here, right?
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: If this team can stay bought in and show improvement.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, I think defense and some of
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: the early returns defensively, again, like to MK's point, are really,
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: really positive. And that's going to give you a chance
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: in a lot of ballgames if offensively you improve and
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: or just match up better against, you know, the teams
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: you're going to see the rest of your schedule.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap it up. MK, sell us a mortgage.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Get us fit in the gym. What's going on?
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 32:47
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• 32:49
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• 32:57
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• 32:59
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• 33:04
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• 33:09
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• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Love it. All right, boys, go get a win this week. Alex,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: we're laying on you. It's all your responsibility. You're back
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: there in Pullman, so let's go get that win, all right?
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Get Kirby Moore's first win. Go Cougs. That's Alex. That's MK.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: We'll come back with more 93.3 KJFM.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Go Cougs.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't really bring up big number, the worst offense
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: in FBS football in the country.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Why bring that up?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Why bring that up?
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: That doesn't seem like a fun thing to talk about.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I think it was insinuated. I think we've referenced more
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: than once, two or three times. We'll see. They got
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Duquesne this week. Washington's got Eastern, right? Eastern Washington this week.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: So both teams have a chance to get their offenses
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: on track a little bit for week three. God, week
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: three already of college football.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: I know, that is crazy.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Week three.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow in the studio, we're going to have John Harlow,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: who's Wazoo's athletic director. And before you think it's just
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: going to be all Wazoo, I don't want too much.
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: No, no.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: We're going to spend some time tomorrow. And then Mandel's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: on with us tomorrow as well. We're going to spend
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: some time tomorrow talking about the Protect College Sports Act
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: that's out there. That's a big topic of conversation. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: kind of, if nothing else, want to get a little
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: bit of a one-on-one from him on It's an interesting
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: dynamic that we're seeing with that across the country in
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: this regard. The emphasis that we're seeing from, say, ESPN
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to promote it on college football game day got a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: lot of pushback, a lot of backlash. I didn't quite
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: understand that, but I'll move on from that for a second.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Then I see guys like Mark Few on Capitol Hill
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: promoting it. you know, and Mark Few's all for paying players.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Gonzaga's got a pretty healthy payroll.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: I think so.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: In fact, Gonzaga, to be honest with you, was kind
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: of at the forefront of paying some guys. I mean,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Drew Timmy was one of the first guys in college
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: hoops that really got paid. Northern Quest Casino wrote a
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: check and some other, like if you go in Spokane,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: if you're ever in Spokane, you're probably there for softball
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: at some point or will be at some point.
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: Will be, yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Drive up and down Division, all over the place. There's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a bunch of billboards with Gonzaga hoops players all.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Over the place.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: They actually do do a thing called name, image, and likeness. Like, name, image,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and likeness promoting a company or what have you.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: As opposed just to paying guys. But we'll talk to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: John about that tomorrow where he falls on it. I
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: think it's interesting that Deion Sanders is promoting it because
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I want to know who doesn't want it, I guess,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: is my thing. And maybe those that want just complete
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: free agency in college sports. I don't know about you, Ash.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. These guys want to be, you hear
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: this all the time, they want to be treated like pros.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: They're all kind of like pros. Okay, well, in pro sports,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you don't have unregulated free agency.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, then act like pros. Abide by contracts.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Contracts. You can't just, can you imagine if in pro sports,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you could just enter the transfer portal anytime you want it?
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Think about that DeMond Williams situation.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: If he'd been a professional player who just re-signed a
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: contract with the Seahawks and then was like, nah, nevermind.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go play for the Cowboys.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I think I'm out.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Well, and that one was that, you know, I applaud
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Washington for that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, they might be holding him hostage, but that's fine.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: They held him to a contract.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: They did.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And, you know, and the next step, which is down
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the road, at some point, college football, maybe this is
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: part of that act. you've got to figure something out
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: with the coaches and, and their basic, somebody brought this
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: up the other day about, you know, Mike McDonald's going
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: to be there for on Seattle for a long time.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, because he's under contract. Imagine if,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: if in the NFL that you could just say, Hey, look,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: that coach is having a hell of a run. I'm
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: going to go get him in the middle of the season.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Like, can you imagine like all of a sudden you're
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: hearing rumors that, Jerry Jones is going to hire Mike McDonald.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: He's going to pay him a zillion dollars. Not a trillion.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: A zillion.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: That's a lot.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: He's going to pay him a Z with a Z.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: We're going to pay Mike McDonald a zillion dollars. Give
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: him half of the franchise to bring him to Dallas.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And you hear all this going on. You're like, wow,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that couldn't happen. He's under contract. No, there's a buyout.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: It's a $ 4 million buyout. They'll write a check to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Coastal Family for $ 4 million, and Mike McDonald is going
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: to be gone. And then all of a sudden, the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: end of the season, you see the Seahawks just kind
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of fall apart because Mike McDonald's mailing it in. He's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: looking for houses in Dallas. That's what college football is.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Kind of like Lane Kiffin last year. Yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Mike's not going to coach in the NFL playoffs.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: Oh, gosh.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: But Mike really wants to.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: He really wants to. Can he?
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: But he's going to be the coach of the Cowboys.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: So how do you guys feel about that?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: We can't do that.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: No.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Like, no sport does that. I mean, I don't know.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Who's the best manager in baseball right now? Is it
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: a guy in Milwaukee, maybe? I don't know. Whoever it is.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Imagine if the Bears go, hey, we're going to get
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that guy.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: Well, I wouldn't hate that. Can we do that? No,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: we can't.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Because it's not allowed. Like, that's the thing I believe.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: If you're going to restrict the players... In college sports.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I think you need to start, you got to start
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: holding coaches to the same standard. Yeah. And for those
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: that want to have it wide open, there aren't many
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: businesses that are competitive that don't have something called a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: no compete in them.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Right? Yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: No, you're right.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Like it would never happen. But if another radio station
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: in town wanted me to go there, I can't just
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: get up and go.
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: No, you can't. You're not allowed to. You're held to
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: a contract.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: A contract.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: A no compete after the contract even expires. So you
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: can't do that. And college athletics, that's, that's to me
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: is one of the biggest parts of college athletics, how
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: broken they are. And I think I'm more bitter because
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I've seen it happen with our school three times in
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the last three years, you know?
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's been a big problem.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, Jake Dickard mailed in half a season, like
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: literally mailed in a season. Like once he started talking,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I remember I had him on, I did an interview
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: That made me mad. And I wasn't even a Coug fan.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I did an interview with him. It was in 2023.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: It was a year before he left, actually. But in 2023,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I did an interview with him. And there were rumors
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: about him going to Michigan State and stuff like that.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And I was in the Cincinnati airport doing the interview
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: via phone, taping it and all this for the next day.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And I asked him, oh, no. no, I'm not talking.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: He was talking to those guys. A hundred percent he was.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course he was.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And then the next year he decides he's going to
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: go to Wake. And I mean, he just mailed in
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the half, second half of the season. Arbuckle, Ben Arbuckle's
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: OC at Oklahoma with John Mateer. They might be having
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: buyer's remorse, by the way. And Same thing. Like, he
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and Mateer mailed in that second half of the 2024 season. Like,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: literally mailed it in. Mm-hmm. Didn't care.
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: No.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: Because they knew they had another opportunity.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: They had another opportunity. And so that's the thing. Like,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I just, I, there's got to be protection all the
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: way around, frankly, to be honest with you, and I'm sorry,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: for the institutions.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And I say for the institutions, also for you as
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: a fan who supports those institutions.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: Especially all those people that are giving massive amounts of money.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: They're getting annoyed that they're continuing to have to do
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: it for people that are leaving.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Ash. Absolutely. That's got to happen. So anyway, we'll
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: talk to, we'll talk to Harlow about that. Also, I
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: want to get into more about the future of the
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Apple cup. And is there a future of the Apple
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: cup is we'll get into band gate. Well, I'll ask
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: him about band gate.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Oh gosh.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I asked him about band gate, but what about the
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: future of the Apple cup? And, Just know this. He
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: is very close with the athletic director at Washington because
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: said person hired him in Pullman, hired John Harlow as
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: an assistant AD, associate AD. So it's not like there's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: any acrimony between those two. They work together well, a
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: lot better than upper campuses do.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: So, so.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: We'll get into all that stuff tomorrow. Kind of just
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: the future of college athletics and sports. I'm looking forward
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: to that. He'll be in studio. So not even on
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the phone. He'll be in studio. Should be a fun
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: conversation if you're any kind of college sports fan. Not
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: just a Coug fan, but any kind of college sports fan.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Take a break. Come back. I've got the depth chart
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: for your Seahawks quarterbacks this week. You want to know
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: what that is?
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: No.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: We'll do it next.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Okay.