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- Lucas: Luna, I want to start with a number: seven point eight hours per week. Luna: That's almost a full workday. What is that number? Lucas: That's the average amount of time US office workers say they spend in meetings they consider unnecessary or poorly run, according to a survey from early this year. Seven point eight hours per week — just under a full day. Luna: And that's only the ones they label as useless. Actual wasted time is probably higher. Lucas: Exactly. And here's the burnout angle: it's not just the lost time. It's the constant fragmentation. You sit through a forty-five-minute status update that could have been an email, and then you need another fifteen to twenty minutes just to get back into deep work. Researchers call that 'meeting recovery time.' Luna: So a single bad meeting doesn't just cost the meeting time — it steals the next chunk of focus too. Lucas: Right. And if you have three or four of those in a day, you're basically running on empty by two p.m. The cognitive load of constant context-switching is a huge driver of exhaustion, but we rarely call it burnout because we blame ourselves — 'I should be able to handle a few meetings.' Luna: I know I've done that. I've ended a day with a full calendar but felt like I accomplished nothing. It's demoralizing. Lucas: It is. And there's actually a name for that feeling. A few years ago, a Microsoft study on workplace habits found that people who had more meeting hours reported higher levels of fatigue and lower levels of innovation. They called it 'meeting fatigue syndrome.' Luna: So what do we do about it? I feel like individual workers have limited power to change their company's meeting culture. Lucas: True, but there are some concrete experiments companies have tried. One mid-size tech firm I read about — about three hundred employees — implemented a 'no internal meetings Wednesday' policy. No meetings with anyone inside the company on Wednesdays. External client meetings were still allowed. Luna: And how did that go? Lucas: After six months, they surveyed employees and found an eighteen percent increase in self-reported productivity, and a fourteen percent drop in burnout scores. The catch: some teams complained that their week felt compressed, especially project managers who used Wednesdays for catch-up. Luna: So it's not a silver bullet. But it shows that even one day of uninterrupted focus can make a difference. Lucas: Exactly. Another experiment I liked came from a marketing agency — about fifty people. They capped all internal meetings at fifteen minutes. No exceptions. If you couldn't finish in fifteen, you needed to rethink the agenda. Luna: Fifteen minutes? That seems really tight. Lucas: It is. But they found that most status updates and check-ins actually fit. They just forced people to be prepared. They reported a forty percent reduction in total meeting time within three months. Luna: And the burnout effect? Lucas: They didn't measure it formally, but anecdotal feedback was positive. People said they felt less drained at the end of the day. And they also reduced 'meeting recovery time' because short meetings are easier to bounce back from. Luna: What about the individual? If my workplace doesn't have these policies, what can I do? Lucas: There's a tactic I call the 'meeting cost clock.' Before you accept a meeting invite, do a quick mental calculation: if there are ten people in this meeting, each earning roughly fifty dollars an hour, a one-hour meeting costs the company five hundred dollars. Ask yourself: is the outcome worth five hundred bucks? Luna: That reframes it completely. It's not about being rude — it's about respecting the company's resources and your own energy. Lucas: Right. And that leads to the 'agenda or autodecline' rule. If a meeting invite doesn't include a clear agenda, you automatically decline. You can frame it as: 'I'd love to attend, but I need to know the specific outcomes so I can prepare accordingly.' Luna: That's actually a professional move. It forces the organizer to think about whether the meeting is necessary. Lucas: Exactly. And if they can't produce an agenda, the meeting probably wasn't essential. Over time, you train your colleagues to only invite you when it's actually worth your time. Luna: I love that. I'm going to try the agenda or autodecline thing starting tomorrow. Lucas: Let me know how it goes. I should also mention: there's a growing trend of companies adopting 'async-first' cultures — where written updates replace stand-up meetings. It's still niche, but it's gaining traction, especially in remote-first companies. Luna: And for listeners who are managing teams, what's the one change they could make this week? Lucas: Audit your recurring meetings. Look at every recurring invite on your calendar. Ask: 'If this meeting were canceled permanently, would anyone notice?' If the answer is no, delete it. I've done this exercise and eliminated three meetings that had been running for years out of habit. Luna: That's powerful. And it's such a low-cost intervention. Lucas: Low cost, high impact. But I'll be honest — it takes courage. Some meetings exist because of office politics or because someone feels important running them. You might get pushback. Luna: So you have to be strategic about it. Maybe pilot a no-meeting half-day first, or start with just your own team. Lucas: Absolutely. Start small, measure the impact, and let the results speak for themselves. If your team gets more done in four hours of focused work than they used to in eight hours of meetings, the data will convince people. Luna: Speaking of convincing people — if this episode has helped you think about your own calendar, and you'd like to support the show, we do have a small ask. The Burnout Podcast is ad-free and listener-supported, and contributions from folks like you help us keep making episodes like this one. Lucas: Yeah, if you've gotten value from our conversations — whether it's the meeting cost clock or the agenda rule — and you have a couple bucks to spare, you can buy us a coffee at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure at all, but every bit helps us stay independent. Luna: And now back to the topic at hand. Another tactic I've seen is the 'two-pizza rule' — if a meeting can't be fed with two pizzas, it's too large. That's from Amazon, I think. Lucas: Jeff Bezos popularized it. The idea is that small teams make faster decisions. And it applies to meetings too — the more people in a meeting, the more time is wasted. So if you're organizing a meeting, keep the attendee list to the minimum necessary. Luna: And if you're an attendee, you can also leave a meeting early if your part is done. I've started doing that — just say, 'I think I've contributed what I can, I'll let you all continue.' Lucas: That's a pro move. And it signals to others that it's okay to leave. We need to normalize that. Luna: Exactly. So to wrap up: the seven point eight hours of useless meetings per week is a burnout risk we can actually reduce, starting with one small change. Lucas: Whether it's the meeting cost clock, the agenda or autodecline rule, or just auditing your recurring invites — pick one and try it this week. Your future self will thank you.