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Israel Prophecy Update | Bill Salus · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Week in Bible Prophecy, that Prophecy Watchers podcast,
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Speaker 2: and we're going to be talking with Bill Solace this
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Speaker 2: week as it relates to all things going on in Israel,
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Speaker 2: and there is so much going on. And one of
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Speaker 2: the other things I want to remind everybody is to
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Speaker 2: make sure and check out Orlando Prophecisummit dot com where
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Speaker 2: we are going to be having a again world class
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Speaker 2: Prophecy Summit over twenty three speakers in Orlando, Florida, starting
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Speaker 2: real easy to remember February twenty ninth, which is a
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Speaker 2: leap day, and Bill Solace is going to be there
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Speaker 2: as well. Certainly as we watch things unfold, he'll have
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Speaker 2: a lot to share and discuss about the Middle East
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Speaker 2: kind of being on the precipice of a potential huge war,
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Speaker 2: small war. We'll talk about all that today and Bill,
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Speaker 2: welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 3: Hey man. It's great that which is going to be
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Speaker 3: very interesting because we just had the one with Prophecy
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Speaker 3: Watchers in Norman, Oklahoma, and right in the middle of
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Speaker 3: that conference October seventh, had that guzz of war break
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Speaker 3: out with the Hamas, and boy, that really lit up
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Speaker 3: the whole audience. They're going, oh no, what just happened overnight? Right,
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Speaker 3: And now we've had some time to go by and
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Speaker 3: it's just inside of the guys, and now they're trying
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Speaker 3: to eliminate the Hamas. So we're going to have a
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Speaker 3: lot to look back upon by the time we get
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Speaker 3: together on that Leap Day in February twenty ninth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty amazing because all of us woke up
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Speaker 2: there we are in the middle of a prophecy conference,
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Speaker 2: and we all woke up that Saturday morning and we
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Speaker 2: saw that the news we were just the stuff was
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Speaker 2: coming out about all the extent of it, and of course,
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Speaker 2: you know, we heard you and Bill caning up on
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Speaker 2: stage and had a little moderated Q and A trying
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Speaker 2: to assess the situation. You know, that's let's before we
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Speaker 2: move on, I want to let's talk about that in
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Speaker 2: the sense that what we saw on our two over seventh.
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Speaker 2: Try to remind people that you know, there's over twelve
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Speaker 2: hundred people were killed, you know, between twelve hundred and
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Speaker 2: fourteen hundred. That you have different numbers coming out, but
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Speaker 2: the equivalent of that in an America proportion would be
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Speaker 2: fifty five thousand people being killed or you know, and
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Speaker 2: others being kidnapped on American soil by a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 2: And what would the America do if you had over
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand people killed? I mean truly what Israel did
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Speaker 2: and declaring war on Hamas was the right thing to do,
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Speaker 2: but it really shook up bill the status quo. You know,
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Speaker 2: we've been talking again a lot of things for a while,
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Speaker 2: but boom, this happened. And now, at least in the
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Speaker 2: land of Israel, things are different now to talk about
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Speaker 2: let's let's talk about that. How are things different now?
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Speaker 3: Well, really, ultimately, Israel now has to take care of
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Speaker 3: some serious business. The proxies of Iran surrounding Israel, which
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Speaker 3: Famas is among them. Israel know at some point they
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Speaker 3: would have to deal with them. They have been preparing
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Speaker 3: to deal with them for quite some time. Even back
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Speaker 3: in May of twenty twenty two. They had a massive
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Speaker 3: chariots of fire military drill preparing to take out Iran
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Speaker 3: and their proxies and experience a lot of casualties. How
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Speaker 3: would they treat that? With triage and things like that,
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Speaker 3: and of course we see just from Hamas they've had
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Speaker 3: all kinds of casualties and they got hostages. It was
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Speaker 3: twelve hundred plus people killed. That's just tamas thow Hasbala
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Speaker 3: with all their missile power on a larger level than
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Speaker 3: we're experiencing right now as we talk, as Bala is
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Speaker 3: getting involved with skirmishes just to let Israel know, don't
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Speaker 3: forget about us. But guess what Israel is saying, We're
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Speaker 3: not forgetting about you. In fact, you could be next
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Speaker 3: if you get involved. So Israel has to do its
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Speaker 3: business right now tod securely because the threats are all
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Speaker 3: around them. And they've been bombing Syria intermittently for several
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Speaker 3: years now, and as this sarted heating up with the
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Speaker 3: Gaza took out the Damascus airport and the Aleppo airport
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Speaker 3: for a period of time. You know, Israel is that
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Speaker 3: where we're Siria as well, and people kind of forget
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Speaker 3: about that. They don't have peace treaties which Syria like
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Speaker 3: they do with Jordan with Egypt. So Israel is that
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Speaker 3: where we're Syria, and they're a proxy of Irans as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing to me that just as in many ways.
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Speaker 2: It took several years after our you know, nine to
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Speaker 2: eleven September of two thousand and one. It took several
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Speaker 2: years for the rampifications of policy, governmental policy, or even
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Speaker 2: you know, going across the world to battle some of
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Speaker 2: these terrorists. In the same way, this is going to
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Speaker 2: be relatively protracted, in my opinion, because Israel they made
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Speaker 2: a decision that every last Tamas leader is going to
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Speaker 2: be tracked down and eliminated, and so that's going to
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Speaker 2: take some time, no doubt, with their tunnel system and
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Speaker 2: other things. But I think the reminder, as you said, Bill,
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Speaker 2: with with Hesba law, his law has been surprisingly quiet.
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Speaker 2: They haven't gone all in. We don't know all the details,
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Speaker 2: a lot of speculation of why that might be, but
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Speaker 2: they haven't gone away. And the fact of the matter is,
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Speaker 2: you know, they have one hundred and fifty two hundred thousand,
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Speaker 2: you know, precision guided missiles that they can do. And
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Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is I think Israel learned
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Speaker 2: something here in that from two thousand and five with
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Speaker 2: Gaza allowing and hoping and believing, however you want to
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Speaker 2: phrase it, that Hamas would would choose wisely and actually
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Speaker 2: love their people, they allowed them to build up now,
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Speaker 2: you know, basically almost twenty years. So in that case,
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Speaker 2: to give me your thoughts on the fact that what
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Speaker 2: have they learned from that? Looking at hes Blah, I mean,
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Speaker 2: any time his law is gonna they're gonna continue to
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Speaker 2: send you know, rockets or whatever. They'll do it here
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Speaker 2: and there. But after Hamas's that situation is mopped up,
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Speaker 2: they pretty much have to go in and remove has
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Speaker 2: blow and risk it because why give them another ten years?
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Speaker 2: They're just postponing it, kicking the can down the road,
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Speaker 2: don't you think.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they've got to deal with all these issues
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Speaker 3: and they right now. Their advantage is that the proxies
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Speaker 3: of Iran and Iran itself has not engaged on a
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Speaker 3: very severe level like they potentially could and potentially might
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Speaker 3: still do. So Israel's actually having it kind of their way.
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Speaker 3: And no one wants to course a war and a
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Speaker 3: ground war, especially inside of that treacherous Gaza Strip area.
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Speaker 3: But Israe's goettn't to go full throttle without a lot
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Speaker 3: of problems from the proxies because that could change the
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Speaker 3: whole face of this war. If as Balla gets involved
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Speaker 3: in Syria, et cetera. But at some point Isa's going
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Speaker 3: to have to deal with them. Of course, there's evacuations.
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Speaker 3: About three hundred thousand people between the southern part by
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Speaker 3: the Gaza and the northern borders of Israel are still
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Speaker 3: evacuated as best I understand, and they don't feel safe
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Speaker 3: going back to their homes until you know, all these
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Speaker 3: issues Hamas and Hasbala are dealt with. So there's a
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Speaker 3: big situation going on with Israel. But the point is
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Speaker 3: when Hesbala does get involved, which will probably at that
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Speaker 3: point also in Lissyria, I don't think I don't think
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Speaker 3: Hisbala would go it alone. And chemical weapons probably coming
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Speaker 3: forward to Sirius God, chemical weapons things are different. It's
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Speaker 3: not it's going to be hand to hand combat and
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Speaker 3: like what's going on in the Gaza, and they're going
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Speaker 3: to be blown places up, and ultimately they're probably going
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Speaker 3: to buol up the city Damascus and fulfill the prophecy
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Speaker 3: in Isaiah seventeen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think, I mean again, the going back,
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Speaker 2: the whole situation has changed so much that they cannot again.
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Speaker 2: I just don't think they're going to sit there and
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Speaker 2: go Well, if they're quiet. If they're quiet for a
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Speaker 2: few years, we'll just let them be. They know, they
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Speaker 2: know that was an absolute mistake with Hamas and the
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Speaker 2: fact of the matter, as you know, Bill, that Syria
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Speaker 2: is kind of the transport highway of bringing munitions from
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Speaker 2: Iran over into Syria, through Syria into his Blah. I mean,
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Speaker 2: just they.
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Speaker 1: This is it. I think it's kind of like a.
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Speaker 2: They're going to be having a bad political press anyway,
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Speaker 2: and he Bla will make it easy. That's why I
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Speaker 2: think it'll be in my mind one just finally, another
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Speaker 2: bomb will golf.
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Speaker 1: It might not even be significant.
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Speaker 2: A rocket has launched and they're just gonna say enough
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Speaker 2: is enough, and the pretext will be there because he
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Speaker 2: Blah gave it.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, the fact that Israel is involved with
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Speaker 3: Gaza right now in a full on war and ground
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Speaker 3: invasion has sort of there have been content with allowing
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Speaker 3: skirmishes to take place with his Bola to the north.
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Speaker 3: Remember in two thousand and six, two Israeli soldiers were
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Speaker 3: kidnapped by Hebela and that launched a full on war
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Speaker 3: with his Balla thirty four day conflicts in the summer
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Speaker 3: two thousand and six, four thousand missiles were sent into
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Speaker 3: Israel by Hisbala and a lot of the northern people
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Speaker 3: in Haifa and northern parts of Israel were and bomb
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Speaker 3: shelters for about thirty days. And that was just two
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Speaker 3: kidnapped soldiers. So we got a lot more worse things
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Speaker 3: going on right now with hays Bala to the north
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Speaker 3: and that that which on their own accord would because
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Speaker 3: the major war with Israel and Hasbala and Lebanon, but
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Speaker 3: because they're involved with the Gaza, they're just trying to
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Speaker 3: have skirmishes. They're okay with that in my estimation, and
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Speaker 3: I go to a full fall on confrontation with his
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Speaker 3: Bala because they're too busy down in the Gaza. But
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Speaker 3: keep in mind that what's Israel going to do after
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Speaker 3: they clear out the Gaza? And that's their goal right now.
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Speaker 3: Fortunately they're doing without not being too much impeded. They're
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Speaker 3: in a war mode right now. They still got people evacuated.
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Speaker 3: They want to go back to their homes. Are they
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Speaker 3: going to say, okay, kumbaya, Syria. You know, we trust
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Speaker 3: you're not going to use chemicals on us as well?
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Speaker 3: We question I can send missiles at us. His Molicans.
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Speaker 3: In the first part of the war, analysts were saying
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Speaker 3: six thousand missiles a day. Once his Balla gets involved,
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Speaker 3: that would taper down to about two thousand on a
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Speaker 3: second level effective missiles coming in meaning not falling indiscriminately
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Speaker 3: in feels or being taken out by the Endowment. By
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Speaker 3: the way, the Aarendelment is being depleted as we speak.
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Speaker 3: So you know, I think Iran is kind of watching
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Speaker 3: this all play out and deciding what time they feel
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Speaker 3: they they and their proxy other proxies may want to
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Speaker 3: get involved. So this thing is not over yet.
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Speaker 2: I want to know, well, and I think exactly it
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Speaker 2: perfectly said Bill, because what people need to understand is
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Speaker 2: that Hamas is again a big black eye here, certainly
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Speaker 2: on Israel. But Hamas is not his belaw. His law
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Speaker 2: is well, way more trained, way more munitions, way more backing.
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Speaker 2: Just from a geographical perspective as well, I mean, what's
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Speaker 2: your thoughts on the different Maybe make a comparison for
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Speaker 2: the for the listeners, what do you think is the
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Speaker 2: comparison as relates to the military strength of Hesbalah versus Habas.
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Speaker 3: Well, there's no comparison his ball If you look at
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Speaker 3: it like on a chessboard. His ball is like a
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Speaker 3: Hamas is like a pawn, you know, his ball, and
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Speaker 3: Syria would be like you know, bishops and rooks coming
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Speaker 3: against Israel. Of course the queen would be Iran, who
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Speaker 3: can move in every different direction and pulling the strings
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Speaker 3: on those proxies of theres you know. One of the
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Speaker 3: examples is there's been some confrontations in with some of
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Speaker 3: the beholding Shad malicious inside of Iraq, who are also proxies.
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Speaker 3: They've been called upon by Iran to you know, come
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Speaker 3: after our installations. We've got some American installations on the
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Speaker 3: border of Syrian Iraq, and they've attacked them, and then
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Speaker 3: find out that and they've done some harm. But you
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Speaker 3: find out that a lot of those attacks were with
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Speaker 3: handmade weapons, not necessarily the high powered weapons that Iran
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Speaker 3: is capable of biting. So we're kind of looking at
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Speaker 3: like the different layers. It's like, Okay, here comes these
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Speaker 3: handmade weapons with shape listens in Iraq. Here comes these
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Speaker 3: little more advancing coming out of Hamas. You know, thousands
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Speaker 3: of missiles they've had, but these are not compared to
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Speaker 3: the deployment of missiles that Iran has done through Syria
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Speaker 3: over the last four or five years into as well
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Speaker 3: as hands. Those things are precision guided and they can
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Speaker 3: take with pinpoint accuracy, and they can take out lots
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Speaker 3: of people and buildings and things like that. So Israel
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Speaker 3: knows that and they can't allow as well. My concern
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Speaker 3: is with Israel they want to get through this, gods
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Speaker 3: the thing without much more confrontation. Fortunately they're in that
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Speaker 3: mode right now, but at any given moment, if Iran
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Speaker 3: says okay, it's time to get involved. Because by the
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Speaker 3: way Iran is moving forward to the nuclear weapon, you're
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Speaker 3: not hearing much about the IAEA going, hey, guess what,
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Speaker 3: Iran's being good. They're standing side by side. They're not
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Speaker 3: doing nuclear weapons. No, what we're hearing right now is
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Speaker 3: they've enriched uranium at the sixty percent or higher grade
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Speaker 3: twenty times the amount of stockpile that we're allowed to
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Speaker 3: have according to the JCPOA. So Iran is moving forward
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Speaker 3: and probably if they don't already have it at a
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Speaker 3: nuclear weapon. Before October seventh, the Gaza Serner the Haumas attack,
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Speaker 3: the reports coming out that Iran was two weeks away
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Speaker 3: from having Fistle materials to build a nuclear weapon. That
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Speaker 3: was a few weeks before October seventh, So I mean,
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Speaker 3: none of that's changed. You're not hearing much about it
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Speaker 3: runs the nuclear program right now.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing too, because again, these guys are
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Speaker 2: they definitely are brilliant strategists, because as you said, I
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Speaker 2: just read an article a couple of days ago how
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Speaker 2: they were increasing once again their efforts at you know,
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Speaker 2: centrifuges and stuff like that, ninety thousand or something like that.
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Speaker 2: Where but nevertheless, now you have public opinion turning against
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Speaker 2: Israel for every day of the Hamas ground invasion, and
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Speaker 2: you have the distraction. Everybody's looking over there and they're
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Speaker 2: scrutinizing Israel. They're scrutinizing moss or scrutinizing hospitals and tunnels
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Speaker 2: and other things. Why while Iran is cranking it up,
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Speaker 2: So again, a very good strategy. Let me ask you
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Speaker 2: this question. It's something just I know we're kind of
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Speaker 2: just speculating, but there's talks of Iran abandoning or even
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Speaker 2: has law or Syria abandoning Hamas, allowing them to get
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Speaker 2: taken out or to be removed again as they should be.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that's the case. Has Iran abandoned them?
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Speaker 3: Well, that is the interesting question because if they have,
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Speaker 3: because THEMAS was literally a proxy of Iran, and they
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Speaker 3: actually had serious training drills going on several weeks or
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Speaker 3: months prior to this attack. So to think that Hamas
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Speaker 3: did this on their own, this strategy, that it was
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Speaker 3: very well put together to come and kill those people
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Speaker 3: in massacre them, take these hostages. Everyone was wondering if
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Speaker 3: Iran had orchestrated that for them, and if all of
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Speaker 3: a sudden they abandoned a moss It's like they were
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Speaker 3: willing to let go of a pond in their proxy army,
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Speaker 3: which is be surprising to me, But that's kind of
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Speaker 3: what's going on so far. I'm surprised nothing more has
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Speaker 3: happened than that. But the comedian may have been wanting
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Speaker 3: to see and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard may be wanting
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Speaker 3: to see the world's response. Maybe they were taken back
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Speaker 3: by Biden sending over the warships over to the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: Maybe some things that didn't happen exactly the way they thought.
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Speaker 3: His ball is involved on a smaller level, So I mean,
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Speaker 3: maybe they will abandon them, but to me, that would
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Speaker 3: be kind of shocking because they have they have funded them,
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Speaker 3: they're the legitimate proxy of Iran's and if that happened,
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Speaker 3: it's probably because they got a little concerned about the
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Speaker 3: response of what was going on with America and that
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Speaker 3: sort of thing. Would the America out come get involved
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Speaker 3: with Israel and attack Iran as well? That might be
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Speaker 3: one of their concerns.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I think you nailed it.
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Speaker 2: That's what That's what I have been watching too, is
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Speaker 2: that was kind of unanticipated to have America send over
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Speaker 2: a couple of carrier groups and other things.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: On that note, let's let's talk about Let's let's make
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Speaker 2: a transition here for a minute, because I want to
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Speaker 2: talk about Biden and the Biden administration's policies, and I
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Speaker 2: want to talk about this this new well not new,
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Speaker 2: but this re energized push for a two state solution.
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Speaker 2: But before we do that, why do you think, I mean,
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Speaker 2: I don't trust Biden to to protect Israel. Why do
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Speaker 2: you think Biden sent the two carrier groups over. I know,
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Speaker 2: again we're just speaking out loud speculating here, but what
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Speaker 2: what what do you think his his angle was I don't. Again,
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Speaker 2: I don't give him, I don't give him the benefit
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Speaker 2: of the doubt.
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Speaker 1: But what do you think why did he do it?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, on the one hand, I'm kind of
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Speaker 3: proud that he did do that. He may have military
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Speaker 3: he may have economic reasons as well as military reasons.
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Speaker 3: He probably does not want to all out war to
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Speaker 3: you know, blow up in the home Middle East, which
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Speaker 3: is where that was actually going to go. That's where
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Speaker 3: this was headed. But I think he did support Israel
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Speaker 3: on a pro level initially. But again, now we're starting
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Speaker 3: to see that the dust is settling, he's going back
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Speaker 3: to his old ways, which is, you know, push for
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Speaker 3: a two state solution. He's actually saying things like this
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Speaker 3: that Israel's going to pursue Hamas and the Gaza, so
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Speaker 3: there's nowhere Hamas terrorists to kill israelis Well, that's a
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Speaker 3: great statement, Okay, so you're giving Israel the green light
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Speaker 3: to go get all of Hamas. But then on the
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Speaker 3: other side of his mouth, he's going, but you can't
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Speaker 3: occupy the Gaza after you take out Hamas, Israel, you've
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Speaker 3: got to have a revitalized or a rebranded Palastinian authority
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Speaker 3: go in there now and take and take care of
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Speaker 3: the people there now. Remember the Palasting authority in the
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Speaker 3: moment of Boston, the West Bank, but they're no friend
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Speaker 3: of Israel's as well. And there's been all kinds of
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Speaker 3: problems in the West Bank as this war is going
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Speaker 3: on too. A lot of settlers have been killed, a
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Speaker 3: lot of fellas sittings in the West Bank are being killed.
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Speaker 3: There's confrontations going on there as well. So and then
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Speaker 3: ultimately he's going to say, with that revitalized peust In
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Speaker 3: and authority, who you can now trust Israel, which they
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Speaker 3: can't trust, we have to have a two state solution,
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Speaker 3: which is not biblically endorsed. Couldn't try it in two
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Speaker 3: thousand and failed miserably. Bush tried it. Obama tried it
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Speaker 3: with John Carrey in twenty fourteen. It always fails. It's
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Speaker 3: not gonna happen because God has other plans. He has
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Speaker 3: his own Amid East Peace plan, and he's been operating
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Speaker 3: since the twentieth century. Part one in the twenty first century.
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Speaker 3: Is part two is gonna happen?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely. I mean.
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Speaker 2: It's like that these people that are fighting over and
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Speaker 2: it's just a recipe for disaster. And when we think
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Speaker 2: about those watching or those listing, I mean again, not
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Speaker 2: everybody is spends their time looking at all this. But
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Speaker 2: the fascinating thing is the typical, I mean just logical,
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Speaker 2: the basic sense is and I think Netanyahu said it
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Speaker 2: best he said, look, I mean, I know, I know
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Speaker 2: it's logical in one sense that well, the only remaining
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Speaker 2: authority that would represent the Palestinians is the Palestinian authority.
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Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is, uh, we're not
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Speaker 2: going to hand control over to a group that teaches
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Speaker 2: their children from the time they're young to hate Jews,
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Speaker 2: to kill Jews, and also that pays terrorists money who
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Speaker 2: again aid money for how many Jews they can kill
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Speaker 2: or whatever martyrs. We're not going to allow that kind
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Speaker 2: of group to come in. Why would we again exchange,
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Speaker 2: you know, remove Satan and then put his.
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Speaker 1: Right hand deputy right in there.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just foolish.
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Speaker 3: We have you know, the Fatah is in the West Bank,
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Speaker 3: the Palestinian as long as you had a terrorist organization,
19:54
Speaker 3: you know, it's not like the Palestinian authority has control
19:57
Speaker 3: over those those populations inside the Wor Bank. And it's
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Speaker 3: not like they've got a clean slate either. So, like
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Speaker 3: you said, there Israel's enemies. In fact, I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 3: even in the West West Bank like the Gaza, that
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Speaker 3: the Palestinian school books don't even have Israel on their map.
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Speaker 3: So pretty much you know you can't trust them at all.
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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, Well, let's you mentioned a phrase a few
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Speaker 2: minutes ago. Let's talk about what is God's mid East
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Speaker 2: piece plan, and let's kind of develop that a little bit. Here.
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Speaker 2: You sent me some notes which I appreciate, and I'll
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Speaker 2: read if you don't mind, Jeremiah chapter twelve.
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Speaker 1: Can I read that?
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Speaker 3: Now?
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Speaker 1: You like that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead and read it. But let me preface
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Speaker 3: the fact that God before you do that. God does
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Speaker 3: have a plan. You know, of course, he knew when
20:48
Speaker 3: he would bring back the Jews into the land, which
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Speaker 3: there are newrost prophecies. Excuse me, they talked about that
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Speaker 3: they would come back in the land after being out
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Speaker 3: in the nations of the world in the diaspora. But
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Speaker 3: God knew, knowing the end from the beginning, that there'd
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Speaker 3: be some problems because the ancient hatred that had plagued
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Speaker 3: that the Arabs and the Jews and from time immemorial.
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Speaker 3: He knew it would be alive and well, but not
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Speaker 3: only alive and well, wouldn't go away after the diaspora,
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Speaker 3: who would be embraced in the violent religion of Islam.
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Speaker 3: So he had to realize, when I bring the Jews
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Speaker 3: back in the land, I've got to have a plan
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Speaker 3: for that. And so he tells Jeremiah Chapter twelve, verses
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Speaker 3: fourteen to seventeen, twenty five hundred years ago. He lays
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Speaker 3: out this plan, which we've already found. Part one has
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Speaker 3: been fulfilled. We'll get into that into a second. You're
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Speaker 3: going to read it. And part two is going to
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Speaker 3: find fulfillment the very near future.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is Zachar. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Chapter twelve, verses fourteen to fifteen. Thus says the
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Speaker 2: Lord against all my evil neighbors who touch the inheritance
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Speaker 2: which I have caused my people Israel to inherent. Behold,
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Speaker 2: I will pluck them out of their land and pluck
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Speaker 2: out the House of Judah from among them. Then it
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Speaker 2: shall be after I pluck them out, that I will
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Speaker 2: return and have compassion on them and bring them back
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Speaker 2: everyone to his heritage and everyone to his land. I
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Speaker 2: mean the historically, you know, I know you know this,
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Speaker 2: but what are.
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Speaker 1: Has this been?
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Speaker 2: I guess the just straight up question. Hasn't this been
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Speaker 2: fulfilled in the past.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is part one and it has been in
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Speaker 3: the twentieth century. But notice as we break this down,
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Speaker 3: he's not saying anything good about the neighbors. He's calling
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Speaker 3: them evil, not good neighbors. Even though they're evil, He's
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Speaker 3: gonna have compassion on them, where we just read that,
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Speaker 3: have compassion on them and bring them back. So what
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Speaker 3: he's saying here is that when I bring the Jews
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Speaker 3: back in the land, there's gonna be resistance. And what
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do is, I'm gonna tell you, evil neighbors
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Speaker 3: aren't going to pluck you out of the land, which
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Speaker 3: Israel's inheritance. I'm gonna put you back in your own
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Speaker 3: lands and your heritage. I'm going to do this wonderful
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Speaker 3: thing because remember Mono. From fifteen seventeen to nineteen seventeen,
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Speaker 3: that was impossible because the Ottoman Empire controlled the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: But after World War One in nineteen seventeen, things started
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Speaker 3: to open up so God could fulfill this plan. In
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Speaker 3: preparation to bring the Jews back in the land, and
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Speaker 3: he says, listen, I'm going to pull you out of
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Speaker 3: the land that's going to be Israel, put you back
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Speaker 3: into your states, Arab states, and get your heritage is
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Speaker 3: back installed and that sort of thing. And I'm also
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Speaker 3: because there'll be Jews, the Jews, of course, we're living
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Speaker 3: in those Arab lands as well, I'm going to pluck
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Speaker 3: them out. It's all forceful language, like no one's going
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Speaker 3: to want to do it voluntarily. They've got their homes,
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Speaker 3: their businesses. I'm going to put them back in Israel,
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Speaker 3: the Jews, and take yours out of Israel and put
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Speaker 3: you into your own land. So you talked about that
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Speaker 3: being fulfilled the sovereign act of God. This compassionate plan
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Speaker 3: started to find fulfillment in the twentieth century after World
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Speaker 3: War One. Yet Egypt became a state again in nineteen
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Speaker 3: twenty two. Yeah, Saudi Rabi in Iraq nineteen thirty two. Iran,
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Speaker 3: which was formerly Persia became Iran in nineteen thirty five,
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Speaker 3: Lebanon nineteen forty three, and of course now you got
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Speaker 3: his Balla there, Syria and Jordan nineteen forty six, and
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Speaker 3: then here comes Israel, in nineteen forty eight. So we
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Speaker 3: see that God sovereignly, amazingly preparing his peace plan. This
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Speaker 3: is a resettlement plan, this is a land for peace.
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Speaker 3: Stale extraordinary. He fulfilled that inn and the twentieth century
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Speaker 3: as all those Arabs got their statehood again. That's an
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Speaker 3: amazing act of God to do all that. And it
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Speaker 3: could only happen after the Outan Empire had collapsed and
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Speaker 3: that World War One.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I was.
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Speaker 2: I was doing another interview a couple of weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: and one of the comments was made that by Basing,
24:55
Speaker 2: someone who was kind of anti Israel, anti Zionist and
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Speaker 2: Christian person, but they said, you know, God is not
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Speaker 2: a land broker. And I was like, have you never
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Speaker 2: read the Bible? I mean, because if you go back
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Speaker 2: to Deuteronomy chapter one, basically one through three, where Moses
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Speaker 2: is recounting they're wandering in the desert in the wilderness,
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Speaker 2: and he's like, okay, we traveled along the south, you know,
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Speaker 2: in the Asinai, and then made our way up from
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Speaker 2: the southeast and then up towards what we understand as
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Speaker 2: I'm on today. And then they were going across the
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Speaker 2: Jordan river into the land at the conquest and in
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Speaker 2: the Book of Joshua. But God says, okay, over there,
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Speaker 2: that was given to Esau. That's not your land. You're
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Speaker 2: not going to touch it. It's you're never gonna have
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Speaker 2: an ounce of it, because I gave it to the
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Speaker 2: descendants of Esau. Oh that that's the descendants of Lot.
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Speaker 2: You're not going to have an ounce of.
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Speaker 1: That land or an inch. I gave it to them.
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Speaker 2: And so you have God clearly being a landbroker throughout
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Speaker 2: and in the same way today what you just described,
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Speaker 2: or what the scripture described is, Look, everybody's going to
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Speaker 2: go back to their own heritage because God has given
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Speaker 2: He's given certain acres and plots, and so to speak
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Speaker 2: of land to certain ethnic groups.
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Speaker 1: Is that still true?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. And we just saw that the Compassionate
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Speaker 3: Plan in twentieth century getting the States back. His goal
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Speaker 3: you're going to read in part two, is that they
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Speaker 3: would live, they would co exist peacefully amidst His people.
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Speaker 3: All that land, of course, is in the measurements of
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Speaker 3: the promised Land of Genesis fifteen eighteen, from the River
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Speaker 3: of Egypt, probably denial to the River Euphrates, which courses
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Speaker 3: through modern day Rock and Syria, so Jordan of course,
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Speaker 3: with Ammon and Moab, the descendants a lot ESO's descendants
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Speaker 3: of Edomites, and southern Jordan of modern day Jordan, that's
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Speaker 3: all part of the overall promised land. And they could
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Speaker 3: stay there and live peacefully, as you'll see in part
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Speaker 3: two of God's plan, as long as they co exist
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Speaker 3: with issue peacefully. And you're going to find out the
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Speaker 3: one condition, the one condition God asked for for all
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Speaker 3: he did to bring them back to their lands, compassionate plan,
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Speaker 3: and then their heritage is back, which he did last century.
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Speaker 3: He's only gonna ask one thing of them. And have
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Speaker 3: you read that now part too?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me read that.
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Speaker 2: This is Jeremiah twelve sixteen seventeen. It says, and it
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Speaker 2: shall be if they will learn carefully the ways of
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Speaker 2: my people to swear by my name as the Lord lives,
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Speaker 2: as they taught my people to swear by bail, then
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Speaker 2: they shall be established in the midst of my people.
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Speaker 2: But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck
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Speaker 2: up and destroy that nation, says the Lord.
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Speaker 3: So here's the consequence, and here's what's going to find
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Speaker 3: fulfillment Part two in the twenty first century. Listen, God says,
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Speaker 3: I did all that for you, and all I'm asking
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Speaker 3: is that you would learn carefully the ways of my
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Speaker 3: people to swear by my name, the God of the Bible,
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Speaker 3: not the God of the Koran Allah, as the Lord lives.
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Speaker 3: As they taught my people back at Jeremiah's time, to
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Speaker 3: swear by bail the false God bail. And at that
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Speaker 3: time the zeal of swear by bail with the Israelis
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Speaker 3: back then, they're actually sacrificing their children to this false God.
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Speaker 3: So God saying, look, with that same zeal swear by
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Speaker 3: my name, I mean I deserve it. Look what I
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Speaker 3: just did for you. I gave you all your states back,
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Speaker 3: evil neighbors, but it gave you back to your lands
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Speaker 3: and your heritages. And all I'm asking for you to do.
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Speaker 3: You could dwell and in the midst of my people
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Speaker 3: swear by my name, and we can all live copathetically,
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Speaker 3: and the Jews could live side by side. That was
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Speaker 3: God's plan. But if you do not, the consequence is grave.
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Speaker 3: I will liuterly pluck up and destroy that nation. And
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Speaker 3: that's where we're going in the twenty first century because
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Speaker 3: they're not going to change one. They're not going to
28:36
Speaker 3: swear by Jehovah, by God of the Bible. They want
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Speaker 3: to wipeers were off the map. They want to continue
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Speaker 3: to swear by Allah, and unfortunately for them, because of
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Speaker 3: that position, they're going to be utterly plucked up and destroyed.
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Speaker 3: The evil neighbors we're talking about, So that's where we're
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Speaker 3: going in the near future. And we're already seeing one
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Speaker 3: of those evil neighbors going and taking to task with Amas.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing build that, you know today in
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Speaker 2: the church age which we know we're living in, and
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Speaker 2: I think all of us recognize that. You know, we're
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Speaker 2: to love everybody. We're to love a Palestinian or Jordanian
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Speaker 2: or a Lebanese just as much as we are in
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Speaker 2: Israeli because you know, we want them to hear the Gospel.
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Speaker 2: But it's interesting that God speaking here, he actually calls
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Speaker 2: this group evil. But we we don't want to, we
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Speaker 2: don't we don't like to use that language because we're
29:29
Speaker 2: trying to be Christian nice, which is fine, but you know,
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Speaker 2: and I'm not saying.
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Speaker 1: And for me, we're all sinners. I'm not putting the finger.
29:35
Speaker 2: But when God says something and declares a group of
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Speaker 2: people because of their their stubbornness and their their loyalty
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Speaker 2: to a false God, when he calls them evil with
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Speaker 2: evil intentions, that's pretty powerful to me. Uh And and
29:50
Speaker 2: and again, the God of the Bible hasn't changed. We
29:52
Speaker 2: don't have a God of the Old Testament and the
29:53
Speaker 2: God of the New Testament. But he calls them evil,
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Speaker 2: he's he gives them an opportunity, which again the Gospel
29:58
Speaker 2: goes out to all of them, here's the opportunity to
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Speaker 2: serve the Lord and him alone, and not certainly Islam.
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Speaker 3: Well, you're absolutely right, you know, God so loved the world,
30:07
Speaker 3: he said, has only we gotten son for everybody that
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Speaker 3: they were not perish but have everlasting life. Who ever
30:12
Speaker 3: believed in Jesus Christ, jew Gentiles, of course Arabs among them.
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Speaker 3: That's the God we serve Mondo. But he also he's
30:21
Speaker 3: got plans in the end timeshare through his people of Israel.
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Speaker 3: That's why he's bringing them back and has brought them
30:26
Speaker 3: back into the land. And so for them the Arabs
30:29
Speaker 3: to come along and persist with this ancient hatred to
30:33
Speaker 3: want to wipe the Jews off the map, ultimately not
30:36
Speaker 3: realizing that's going to thwart God's plan through Israel. He
30:39
Speaker 3: can't allow that to happen. And the Bible talks about
30:42
Speaker 3: this ancient hatred or perpetual enmity in Ezekiel thirty five,
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Speaker 3: verse five and Ezekiel twenty five, verse fifteen. And it's
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Speaker 3: called the Hebrew words of alam Eyba. And it's the
30:53
Speaker 3: condition of hatred that sends back long ago in ancient
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Speaker 3: times that became more violent as time went on. And
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Speaker 3: it's a hatred that will not end. It's cancers. It
31:02
Speaker 3: has to be surgically removed. And that's what's cut up
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Speaker 3: in Islam. That's why the Hamas feels they want to
31:08
Speaker 3: Their charter says israeli exist until Islam will obliterate it.
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Speaker 3: You know, so Many three talks about the confederacy of
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Speaker 3: nations that come together. The goal is to wipe the
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Speaker 3: nation of Israel off the map, that the name of
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Speaker 3: Israel can be remembered no more of so Many three
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Speaker 3: verse four. So you know we saw that. Of course,
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Speaker 3: in nineteen forty eight they tried to wipe Israel off
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Speaker 3: the map. They didn't want there to be in Israel.
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Speaker 3: I didn't ultimately fulfill the prophecy, but I think it
31:33
Speaker 3: was a precursor and we're seeing again Hamas it's also
31:36
Speaker 3: part of Somity three acting out right now, wanting to
31:39
Speaker 3: wipe Israel off the map, thinking that proxies are going
31:42
Speaker 3: to come alongside and help them with that balla in Lebanon,
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Speaker 3: they'd be part of Somity three. Syria would be part
31:48
Speaker 3: of Sovity three, as well as more countries. These are
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Speaker 3: part of the evil Neighbors Bando.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really it's amazing too that the God again,
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Speaker 2: I like the way that you're praising it, that God
31:58
Speaker 2: has a plan and uh, it reminds me of of
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Speaker 2: when Joshua went in and and the people several of
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Speaker 2: the of the tribes of the groups that were in
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Speaker 2: the land of Canaan, they were so far deplorable, uh
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Speaker 2: that that God said that the very land wants to
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Speaker 2: vomit them out because of their wickedness and their their
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Speaker 2: sexual sins and and their sacrificing of babies and everything.
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Speaker 2: To these different gods, where God just says you just
32:27
Speaker 2: have to remove them, and that I mean, that's God's business.
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Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that to anybody today. But if God
32:33
Speaker 2: wants to do that and he realizes this is what
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Speaker 2: because of their wickedness, that's his business. But let's let's
32:38
Speaker 2: let's let's let's talk about something here from it, because
32:42
Speaker 2: the how does this God's peace plan, let's kind of transition,
32:47
Speaker 2: how how do you envision how do you see it
32:49
Speaker 2: working its way through let's say the next stages.
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Speaker 3: Well, the evil neighbors are those who share common borders
32:58
Speaker 3: with Israel. That's what they're appropriately called neighbors. We see
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Speaker 3: that God's part one of his plan is found fulfillment.
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Speaker 3: He's simply asking now these evil neighbors to not be
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Speaker 3: evil anymore, but to swear by his name so that
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Speaker 3: they can live peacefully in the midst of His people.
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Speaker 3: But they're not going to so in part two of
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Speaker 3: this generation that's coming up in the twenty first century,
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Speaker 3: we're already starting to see it happen. I believe, with
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Speaker 3: the gods of the Hamas, He's going to really pluck
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Speaker 3: up and destroy those evil neighbor nations. Now we're not
33:29
Speaker 3: talking about countries far away. We're talking about in the neighborhood.
33:33
Speaker 3: We're talking about to the north Lebanon to the northeast
33:37
Speaker 3: Syria and parts of Iraq. We're talking about Jordan. Even
33:41
Speaker 3: though Jordan is a fragile peace treaty, they are still
33:43
Speaker 3: among the evil neighbors. You've got Egypt, got Saudi Arabia,
33:48
Speaker 3: you got the police area where the Hamas are, you
33:51
Speaker 3: got the Palestinians. Of course, his ball is up in Lebanon.
33:55
Speaker 3: So basically these countries when we inner circle of countries,
33:58
Speaker 3: they are actually all lists and then saw Maty three
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Speaker 3: and elsewhere. They want to come together in a confederacy
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Speaker 3: and destroy the nation of Israel. And of course that's
34:07
Speaker 3: totally against God's plan. He wants them to live copathetically
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Speaker 3: and swear by Him, not destroy the nation of Israel.
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Speaker 3: So they're going to try to do that, and ultimately
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Speaker 3: we find out in Zachari at twelve they're going to
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Speaker 3: make a final attempt the neighbors, the evil neighbors, to
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Speaker 3: lay siege on Judah and Jerusalem. And when that happens,
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Speaker 3: Zachari twelve two tells us that it will be God
34:28
Speaker 3: will make it like a cup of trembling or a
34:30
Speaker 3: cup of drunkenness to all the people's round. About every
34:34
Speaker 3: translation you read, will not talk about the nations at
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Speaker 3: large in the world, and not the international community. It's
34:39
Speaker 3: talking about the neighbors round about the surrounding people's the neighbors.
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Speaker 3: So he's clearly talking about the evil neighbors. They're going
34:47
Speaker 3: to come together and make a final attempt to capture
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Speaker 3: Jerusalem and is Lom. Jerusalem is the third holiest city,
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Speaker 3: even though it's not mentioned in the Koran. One time,
34:56
Speaker 3: they're going to make a final attempt to take control
34:58
Speaker 3: of that area and Judah as well well. And God's
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Speaker 3: going to say that at that time, it's going to
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Speaker 3: be a coup of trembling or intoxication in some translations,
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Speaker 3: to those evil neighbors.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to. Let's all read this. Zachari two
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Speaker 2: and three. Zachari Chapter twelve, verses two and three. It says, behold,
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Speaker 2: I'm about to make Jerusalem a cup of staggering to
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Speaker 2: all the surrounding peoples. The siege of Jerusalem will also
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Speaker 2: be against Judah. On that day, I will make Jerusalem
35:25
Speaker 2: a heavy stone for all the peoples. All who lift
35:28
Speaker 2: it will surely hurt themselves, and all the nations of
35:31
Speaker 2: the earth will gather against it. On that day to colors.
35:35
Speaker 2: The Lord'll just keep reading. I will strike every horse
35:37
Speaker 2: with panic and its writer with madness. But for the
35:39
Speaker 2: sake of the house of Judah, I will keep my
35:42
Speaker 2: eyes open. When I strike every horse of the peoples
35:44
Speaker 2: with blindness. Then the leaders of Judah will say, shall
35:49
Speaker 2: say to themselves, the inhabitants of Jerusalem have strength through
35:52
Speaker 2: the Lord of Hosts their God. So you know this
35:55
Speaker 2: particular section of Zachari twelve, it's interesting that it does
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Speaker 2: talk about a siege of Jerusalem and Judah. So would
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Speaker 2: you how would you equate Zachary twelve. Would that be
36:09
Speaker 2: equated with another angle of asalmighty three conflict? Would you
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Speaker 2: see it as pre salmighty three post Psalmaty three? Kind
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Speaker 2: of help help the listeners understand again the sequence here.
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Speaker 3: I think it pretty much deals with the climactic conclusion
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Speaker 3: of psau Maity three, because couldn't read verse six Grade twelve,
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Speaker 3: Verse six.
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Speaker 2: On that day, I will make the clans of Judah
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Speaker 2: are the leaders of Judah depending on translation, like a
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Speaker 2: blazing pot in the midst of wood, like a flaming
36:39
Speaker 2: torch among the sheaves, And they shall devour to the
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Speaker 2: right and to the left all the surrounding peoples, while
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Speaker 2: Jerusalem shall again be inhabited in its place in Jerusalem.
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Speaker 3: Right. So this this is a siege. It's going to
36:54
Speaker 3: be unsuccessful. Uh, it's going to when they try to
36:57
Speaker 3: lay siege on it, the surrounding people's evil neighbors, it's
37:01
Speaker 3: going to be like a cup of trembling to them.
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Speaker 3: And it says in that day, and several things build
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Speaker 3: up to what the verse you just read, and I
37:08
Speaker 3: would like to break those down in a moment. But
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Speaker 3: ultimately in that day, these really defense forces, the clans
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Speaker 3: of Judah are going to be like a fiery torch,
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Speaker 3: and they're going to destroy the evil neighbors around about
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Speaker 3: the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the
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Speaker 3: left hand. And that is going to conclude this says,
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Speaker 3: they'll devour them. In some translations, that is going to
37:29
Speaker 3: conclude this one God's peace planet. They're going to utterly
37:32
Speaker 3: be plucked up and destroyed His nations. And it's going
37:35
Speaker 3: to conclude the Summity three war effort as well. Now
37:39
Speaker 3: there's another siege on Jerusalem. It's going to be successful.
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Speaker 3: This siege is unsuccessful. The siege is going to be
37:45
Speaker 3: successful is dealing down in the tribulation period, and jac r.
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Speaker 3: Fourteen verse two says that actually the armies of the
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Speaker 3: world will come together gather against Jerusalem, and it will
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Speaker 3: and it will take the city. They'll ravish the the
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Speaker 3: rifle of the houses, ransect the houses. They'll ravish the women,
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Speaker 3: and then the city will be taken. Now, that's not
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Speaker 3: this siege. That that's a successful siege. To have them subsequent,
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Speaker 3: some people try to confuse zach RAI twelve two. Is
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Speaker 3: that zachra at fourteen?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me read.
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Speaker 2: I'll read Zachara A fourteen and again people can read
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Speaker 2: this for themselves as it relates to the what you
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Speaker 2: just demonstrated their contracts. Behold, a day is coming for
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Speaker 2: the Lord when the spoil taken from you will be
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Speaker 2: divided in your midst. For verse Zachary fourteen, verse two.
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Speaker 2: For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle.
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Speaker 2: The city shall be taken, the house is plundered, and
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Speaker 2: the women raped. Half of the city shall go into exile,
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Speaker 2: But the rest of the people shall not be cut off,
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Speaker 2: So there will be a little remnant staying there the rest,
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Speaker 2: But as you mentioned clearly, that's a successful siege of
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Speaker 2: the city and it's taking uh. You know what if
38:52
Speaker 2: we go this is interesting because, as writes Zachary twelve,
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Speaker 2: what this tells us is that there will be troops, right,
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Speaker 2: would we say that there will actually be troops, foreign,
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Speaker 2: non Israeli troops, ground invasion of some kind again doing
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Speaker 2: a siege of Judah and Jerusalem itself? I mean, will
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Speaker 2: there be foreign military in the land.
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Speaker 3: Well, in Zacharie at twelve, there'll be the surrounding air
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Speaker 3: of nations that will be laying siege, trying to take
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Speaker 3: claims over Jerusalem. Excuse me, in Judah. That's not all
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Speaker 3: nations in Zacharie chapter fourteen.
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Speaker 2: Right, right, So it's just as we think about the
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Speaker 2: context of Zachary twelve. To me, it's just fascinating that
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Speaker 2: what we will see is, you know, right now, it's
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Speaker 2: been how long has it been since there's been actual
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Speaker 2: foreign troops and foreign tanks in Israel proper, But according
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Speaker 2: to this passage, they will be there sieging it.
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Speaker 3: They will what goes on to say one of the problems,
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Speaker 3: let me skip verse three for a minute, because that's
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Speaker 3: one of the verses that people segue into fourteen with
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Speaker 3: but let me skip that for a second. Excuse that
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Speaker 3: take it on my throat. I apologize. So we talk
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Speaker 3: about in that day when the surrounding people try to
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Speaker 3: lay siege on Judah and Jerusalem. Were told a couple
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Speaker 3: of verses later in Zechari twelve, verse four, the Lord
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Speaker 3: is going to divinely intervene, and it says in that day,
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Speaker 3: I will strike the horses. And I remember, they're not
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Speaker 3: going to come in horseback. They try to lay siege
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Speaker 3: on Jude and Jerusalem, but that's what they rode back
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Speaker 3: in Zachariah's time. But he's gonna strike the horses with confusion.
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Speaker 3: There's going to be, in my estimation, armored vehicles and
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Speaker 3: things will start to malfunction because the Lord's gonna divinely intervene.
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Speaker 3: And then it says I'll strike the When that happens,
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Speaker 3: the riders will be hit with madness in other words,
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Speaker 3: are going to panic as they see this start to happen.
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Speaker 3: And then it says I will strike the horses with
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Speaker 3: blindness in other words, guidance systems. This is my interpretation. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: racial systems are going to go down. And it says
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Speaker 3: in verse five that when that happens, that the Israeli,
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Speaker 3: the Jewish people says, the governors of Judah and the
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Speaker 3: captains the Israeli defense forces, if you will, will say
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Speaker 3: in their heart, the inhabitants of Jerusalem my strength and
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Speaker 3: the lord of the hosts. So they're going to be
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Speaker 3: come in bolden to go to battle. And he read
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Speaker 3: verse six, which says they go to battle, and they
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Speaker 3: devour those people on the right hand and on the
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Speaker 3: left hand. So this is clearly dealing with these really
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Speaker 3: defense forses, dealing with the evil neighbors. Now some people
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Speaker 3: would say, no, this is armageddon. This is but then
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Speaker 3: you have city yourself with armageddon. And let's go back
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Speaker 3: to verse three. Verus Rezact write twelve, verse three, and
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Speaker 3: I'll explain why it's why they think that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is important, because I think as we get
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Speaker 2: the text out, it'll become obvious on that day Versus
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Speaker 2: Zachar twelve three. I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone
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Speaker 2: for all the peoples. All who lift it will surely
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Speaker 2: hurt themselves, and all the nations of the earth will
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Speaker 2: gather against it.
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Speaker 3: Right in some translations assemble against it. So I remember
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Speaker 3: we're still talking about in that day. In that day
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Speaker 3: that the surrounding air of people's the evil neighbors attempt
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Speaker 3: to lay seize on June and Jerusalem a final siege,
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Speaker 3: which will be unsuccessful because the Jually defense forces will
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Speaker 3: win Verse six. But it goes on to say, in
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Speaker 3: that day, the world's going to meddle with the status
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Speaker 3: of Jerusalem in Judah. In other words, the world's going
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Speaker 3: to meddle. Now, some people think, well, this is going
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Speaker 3: to be zach Ryer fourteen Joel three. You know, Revelation
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Speaker 3: sixteen will get into those just a moment. But I
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Speaker 3: don't believe that's what it's saying here, because if you
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Speaker 3: really break it down, here's what I think it says.
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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why. I don't think it says
42:37
Speaker 3: what they're suggesting says in that day they're going to
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Speaker 3: try to meddle. So we look back in nineteen forty seven,
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Speaker 3: the UN United Nations said that Israel is going to
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Speaker 3: become a state again, which happened on May fourteenth, nineteen
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Speaker 3: forty eight, but they declared that Jerusalem would be an
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Speaker 3: international zone, so, in other words, you can't have it
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Speaker 3: as your capital. It's going to be an international zone.
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Speaker 3: And then in nineteen forty eight the the war with
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Speaker 3: the Jews, the Air Israeli War, and in nineteen forty
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Speaker 3: nine the Armistics Agreement happened. They took a green line
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Speaker 3: in the international communities meddling. They take green line and
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Speaker 3: running down the center of Jerusalem, divide the city of Jerusalem.
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Speaker 3: But that was not biblically endorsed. So in nineteen sixty
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Speaker 3: seven and the Sixth Day War, Israel wins that were
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Speaker 3: and takes over all of Jerusalem. So international community had
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Speaker 3: been meddling with Israel wins that war, takes over Jerusalem
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Speaker 3: to make the colossal mistake of giving the Temple amount
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Speaker 3: to the Arabs, to Jordan in particular, but then again
43:34
Speaker 3: they still control Jerusalem at that point in time. Now
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Speaker 3: we see right now even we're talking about this at
43:38
Speaker 3: the beginning of the blog here at pod Spot podcast,
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Speaker 3: that Biden wants a two state solution. So we see
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Speaker 3: Clinton tried a two state solution in Bush and Obama
43:50
Speaker 3: and Carrion and were continuing to meddle. And you look
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Speaker 3: at the nations are assembling against Israel, the United Nations.
43:56
Speaker 3: They don't want everything that passes against Israel one time.
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Speaker 3: So I believe what you got really at this point
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Speaker 3: is the nations in that day when the Arabs are
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Speaker 3: gonna want to take over Jerusalem and Judah, they're gonna meddle,
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Speaker 3: and the Lord is saying, don't meddle, because it's gonna
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Speaker 3: be like a burden some stone. It's gonna fall on you.
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Speaker 3: You're gonna try to divide the city. It's gonna fall
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Speaker 3: on you and haunt you, come back and hurt you.
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Speaker 3: That's not what happens to Zachhrai, chapter fourteen, verse two.
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Speaker 3: They don't have any problem with the burdens some stone.
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Speaker 3: They move in and just take over the city. They
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Speaker 3: ravage the houses and raipe the women. So we've got
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Speaker 3: a whole different siege going on, and that's a successful siege.
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Speaker 3: This is an unsuccessful siege involving the Arabs, because if
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Speaker 3: you say in Zachari twelve, verse six that they're going
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Speaker 3: to destroy all those people's round about and you try
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Speaker 3: to throw an arm again and all the nations gathered
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Speaker 3: against Jerusalem Zakaria fourteen to two, that means Israel is
44:46
Speaker 3: gonna win a war to these really defense forses against Japan, China,
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Speaker 3: the Kings of the East. You know, just saw the
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Speaker 3: whole listed. There are all the nations of the world
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Speaker 3: are going to be involved in. They never getting campaign
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Speaker 3: thist A. Israel can't even off the Gaga Magog invasion
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Speaker 3: in Ezekiel thirty eight because God asked that supernaturally, which
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Speaker 3: in my estimation precedes Zechari Zechari fourteen. Let alone try
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Speaker 3: to stop them at the end of the tribulation at
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Speaker 3: Armageddon when two Thursday of the Jewish people have already
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Speaker 3: been killed in Zachuari thirteen to eight, and the third
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Speaker 3: of them will be in exile and Petra. So to
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Speaker 3: think that they're going to come back in the Jerusalem
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Speaker 3: as a remnant after the final ar of Israeli war
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Speaker 3: of Zachari twelve and come back in Zachar twelve six
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Speaker 3: and destroy all these nations of the world. And that's
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Speaker 3: all it says. It says all of the people around
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Speaker 3: about will be devoured on the right hand and the
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Speaker 3: left hand. So you need to really look at that closely.
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Speaker 2: So you know, the there definitely is some some contrasting material.
45:48
Speaker 2: You know, what do you say to the objection? You know,
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Speaker 2: as you know, there are many people object to seeing
45:55
Speaker 2: Zachari twelve they, like you said, they equate it with armageddon.
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Speaker 2: But in Zachari twelve three the last sentence, and all
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Speaker 2: the nations of the earth will assemble against it. So
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Speaker 2: there it's using the phrase all of the nations of
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Speaker 2: the earth, not so much the neighbors. I know those
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Speaker 2: that object would would try to use that as a
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Speaker 2: way to say that this is not just a the neighboring,
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Speaker 2: it's all the nations of the earth.
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Speaker 1: Similar to Zachari fourteen, what's your thoughts?
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Speaker 3: Well, they say, in that day that happens, and in
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Speaker 3: that day that the air strutly sees on jude and Jerusalem,
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Speaker 3: and in that day that the captains and clans of
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Speaker 3: Judah win against this friend of the nations. It's that
46:35
Speaker 3: same time frame, and to me, I'm basically saying that
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Speaker 3: it's a warning to the international community, don't meddle, you're
46:42
Speaker 3: going to assemble against it. Of course, United Nations is
46:44
Speaker 3: an assembly against pretty much against Israel, so I would
46:47
Speaker 3: lean toward that interpretation. I don't see that as all
46:50
Speaker 3: the nations are gathering together for battle, because when they
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Speaker 3: do do that, they don't have a burden some Stowe
46:56
Speaker 3: and Jerusalem. They take the city and it's not a
46:58
Speaker 3: problem for them. Successful siege. This is an unsuccessful siege.
47:03
Speaker 2: So in that sense that even though you have the
47:08
Speaker 2: so again interpretation is very important. So you'd have a
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Speaker 2: local coalition, a neighboring coalition actually gathering together with troops,
47:18
Speaker 2: but in general they're going to have the backing maybe
47:22
Speaker 2: of the United Nations. Would that kind of be all
47:25
Speaker 2: the nation the earth will be assembled like a posture
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Speaker 2: against Israel versus actually being there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, In other words, the world's going to meddle with
47:35
Speaker 3: the status of Jerusalem and doesn't meanly necessarily going to
47:39
Speaker 3: side with the Arabs, but they're going to get medal
47:41
Speaker 3: with the status and the fate of Jerusalem, which they've
47:44
Speaker 3: been doing since right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, United Nations Passaic.
47:48
Speaker 3: Saying don't do that. Don't do that. That's the Jewish
47:52
Speaker 3: people's place, you know. And they're going to win a
47:54
Speaker 3: war against the Arab countries that are trying to lay
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Speaker 3: siege on stay out, stay out of the phrase what
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Speaker 3: he's warning that.
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Speaker 2: So, you know, in the sense of kind of heading
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Speaker 2: towards a wrap up the you just you mentioned a
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Speaker 2: variety of things, and there's no doubt, man, the Israel
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Speaker 2: is not going to have any peace in the sense
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Speaker 2: of long term as we know, until the second coming,
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Speaker 2: in the sense of you know, forever piece. But between
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Speaker 2: here and the Lord's second coming or the rapture, let's
48:23
Speaker 2: talk about that, the timing of the rapture versus what
48:27
Speaker 2: we see as these next few wars all the way
48:30
Speaker 2: through the tribulation, where again you have all of that
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Speaker 2: coming to the Lord's return. What do you see as
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Speaker 2: outline for us, if you will, kind of a sequence
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Speaker 2: of events between right now potential you're not, you're not
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Speaker 2: a prophet between what do you see some of the
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Speaker 2: high points between now all the way up until the
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Speaker 2: second coming? What are some of the what what's the
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Speaker 2: sequence you have in your mind?
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Speaker 3: Well, I have a book called The Future of War
48:54
Speaker 3: Prophecies where I do that very thing Mondo. You guys
48:57
Speaker 3: are actually carrying the book DVD through prophecy watchers, And
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Speaker 3: of course the rapture is we don't know exactly when
49:05
Speaker 3: that's going to happen, besides the fact that we would
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Speaker 3: subscribe to it. It'll have before the tribulation. But there's
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Speaker 3: also some pre tribulation events. Matter of fact, you and
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Speaker 3: I did a DVD on that. The rhodarm again, the
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Speaker 3: pre tribulational wars. There's going to be some words before
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Speaker 3: the tribulation. We saw Manty three, which involves climactic conclusion
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Speaker 3: of Zacharia twelve where these really defense forces take out
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Speaker 3: the evil neighbors. We just talked about other porphial verses
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Speaker 3: I put in the Future War Prophecies book. I think
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Speaker 3: so Many three is related to that. I think that's
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Speaker 3: going to happen. Is really defense forces are going to win,
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Speaker 3: you know, a Homas. But if they're still around and
49:43
Speaker 3: kicking as part of Felice to Felicia's part of solventy three,
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Speaker 3: one of the Confederate members of the ten member Confederacy,
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Speaker 3: then I think after that Israel can dwell securely. They
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Speaker 3: can tear down the walls it's around Israel, the Partition
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Speaker 3: wall in the middle of Israel four and a three
49:59
Speaker 3: mile wall. They can dwell securely, peaceful people plundering booty,
50:05
Speaker 3: And then I think you have Ezekiel thirty eight come.
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Speaker 3: That's what Israel finds itself in that condition, no longer
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Speaker 3: threatened by the evil neighbors, they dwell securely because they
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Speaker 3: can they've won the war. Then I think Ezekiel thirty
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Speaker 3: eight will happen. As Israel becomes a robust nation, more
50:22
Speaker 3: Jews start coming back into the land when it's safer
50:25
Speaker 3: exploiting the territories. Is you annexes some territory Jordan in particular.
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Speaker 3: I'll put all this in the Future Worst Prophecies book,
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Speaker 3: and then Ezekiel thirty eight. And then God stops that
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Speaker 3: because it's too formidable of an offense for these really
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Speaker 3: defense forces. So God stops that supernaturally with an earthquake,
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Speaker 3: fire and brimstone bloodshed, flooding, rains, pestilence, and then ultimately
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Speaker 3: at that point is you can dwell securely. They're actually
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Speaker 3: bringing the weapons for seven years, converting it to fuel
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Speaker 3: from the Russian armies and the coalition. They're bringing the
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Speaker 3: dead for seven months, and it says the whole world. Well,
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Speaker 3: Israel gain renowned in the eyes of the world when
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Speaker 3: the world sees that, they go, WHOA, These really defense
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Speaker 3: forces stopped the so many three countries. Their gods stopped
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Speaker 3: the Russian invasion advance. They're burning weapons converting it to fuel.
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Speaker 3: They have the technology they're burying the dead for seven months,
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Speaker 3: and how that all happened, how that God stopped at
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Speaker 3: supernatural and the world's going to be going, oh, that's amazing.
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Speaker 3: There'll still be an is Semitic because they're going to
51:28
Speaker 3: rally around. The Antichrist is going to come on the scene,
51:30
Speaker 3: but they're going to be taken back watching these things happen.
51:34
Speaker 3: Is really defense forces win so many three, their God
51:36
Speaker 3: stops Russia's invasion, and all of a sudden, the Antichrist
51:40
Speaker 3: comes on the scene, and ultimately he will in the
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Speaker 3: mid part of the tribulation, he will go into Israel
51:47
Speaker 3: and he'll start abominate the temple. He'll bring his armies there,
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Speaker 3: and I believe that's actually probably when Secari fourteen two
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Speaker 3: happens together his armies there and they take the city.
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Speaker 3: He goes and Jesus said, when you see that happen,
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Speaker 3: Antichrist goes in to the temple at the mid part
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Speaker 3: of the trip, flee and we find out a lot
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Speaker 3: of them do, but two thirds of them don't, and
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Speaker 3: they get killed. According to Zechquar thirteen eight. Then ultimately
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Speaker 3: they are exiled in Petra, southern Jordan, as refugees, which
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Speaker 3: is another reason they're not going to be at the
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Speaker 3: end of the Tribulation Armageddon to be able to have
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Speaker 3: the strength as refugees to kill all the nations of
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Speaker 3: the world. In Jerusalem we find out Isaiah sixty three
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Speaker 3: that God stops the scil A lot of talk about it,
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Speaker 3: but ultimately they are we getting the situation, and Jesus
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Speaker 3: Christ comes and has a slaughtered Basra in southern Jordan
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Speaker 3: Isaiah sixty three single handedly. And then in Revelation nineteen
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Speaker 3: he goes and gets his armies from heaven and it
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Speaker 3: comes back to Jerusalem with them. So a lot of
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Speaker 3: stuff in my book minded we can't get into all
52:49
Speaker 3: this stuff right now in this moment because it's too
52:51
Speaker 3: much to say, but so many three is Ekio thirty eight,
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Speaker 3: and then ultimately at the end of the Tribulation the
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Speaker 3: Armageddon campaign.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing build that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great summary that as we're watching,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot the Lord has provided so much detail
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Speaker 2: as it relates to the last days and the final
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Speaker 2: the final circumstances of Israel leading up to the tribulation period,
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Speaker 2: the time of Jick of Trouble, the Lord's return, as
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Speaker 2: you mentioned, the rescuing of Israel. So why RUMs eleven
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Speaker 2: twenty five that all Israel will be saved? And you know, so,
53:27
Speaker 2: what's you know, the average person here that's watching, you know,
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Speaker 2: or listening in that regard, Let's let's give him some hope.
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Speaker 2: What's the hope, certainly the gospel. What's the hope here?
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Speaker 1: How does this? How does this end up?
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Speaker 3: Okay, listen. The one I would say in summary, Mondo,
53:42
Speaker 3: and again thanks for having me on this this podcast,
53:45
Speaker 3: is that it's time to get rived with Jesus Christ,
53:48
Speaker 3: because he's coming for his believers in the Rapture, and
53:52
Speaker 3: ultimately he's going to come a second time in the
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Speaker 3: Second Coming for the faithful reminen. And at that time
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Speaker 3: he's going to destroy the cr you can cast them
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Speaker 3: alive with the false prophet and the lake of fire.
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Speaker 3: He's going to deal with the armies of Armageddon, win
54:05
Speaker 3: that war. But ultimately, know, welcome to a war torn world.
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Speaker 3: You're already seeing it happen in the Middle East with
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Speaker 3: the Gaza and the Hamas. That's likely to escalate, and
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Speaker 3: certainly at some point the prophecies will find fulfillment. It
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Speaker 3: could actually pill it right off of this war with
54:21
Speaker 3: Hamas right now into so Many three, ultimately Ezekiel thirty eight,
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Speaker 3: and then the Granddaddy, the Armageddon war campaign at the
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Speaker 3: end of the tribulation. But this is temporary. The thing
54:33
Speaker 3: to note is that if you're in Christ one, you're
54:35
Speaker 3: going to be taken out in the rapture. You may
54:37
Speaker 3: see some of these wars that are pre tribulation, but
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Speaker 3: you will be with Christ in the rapture, and then
54:44
Speaker 3: ultimately these wars are temporary. I'm going to have mondo
54:47
Speaker 3: if you'll read Micah two Michael four, a couple of
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Speaker 3: verses Michael four, let the readers know that these wars
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Speaker 3: are going to come, but they are temporary. There will
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Speaker 3: be no more war ultimately in the Messenian Kingdom.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: This is Michael four, verse two, where he says, and
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Speaker 2: many nations shall come and say, come, let us go
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Speaker 2: up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house
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Speaker 2: of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us
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Speaker 2: his ways, and that we may walk in his paths.
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Speaker 1: For out of Zion.
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Speaker 2: Shall go forth the law the word of the Lord.
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Speaker 1: From Jerusalem.
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Speaker 2: He shall judge between peoples and shall decide disputes for
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Speaker 2: strong nations far away, and they shall beat their swords
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Speaker 2: into plowshares and their spears into printing hooks. Nation shall
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Speaker 2: not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn
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Speaker 2: war anymore.
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Speaker 3: There you go, that's the good news Mina right there. Ultimately,
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Speaker 3: when Jesus comes at the Second Coming, after all the
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Speaker 3: bloody wars so many three Ezekiel thirty eight there armageddon campaign,
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Speaker 3: He's going to end it all and he's gonna have
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Speaker 3: this beautiful mess in the Kingdom for a thousand years
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Speaker 3: of minium, and there'll be no more war. And you
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Speaker 3: need to be a part of that by receiving Jesus
55:55
Speaker 3: Christ today and assure yourself to be in that particular
55:59
Speaker 3: wonderful and environment in the mission the Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: Heymen, Well, Bill, I appreciate your your being on the
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Speaker 2: program today. For those listening to the podcast. You know, again,
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Speaker 2: the Scripture has given us so much to examine. God
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Speaker 2: has given us for a reason for us to understand
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Speaker 2: the times that we're in and and also to see
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Speaker 2: scripture unfold so that again it points ultimately to the
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Speaker 2: truth of the rest of Scripture, which is the Gospel message.
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Speaker 2: And as Bill said, salvation through Jesus Christ alone. So
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Speaker 2: appreciate you listening this week, catch us this time next time.
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Speaker 2: We're going to continue to keep you updated as prophecy
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Speaker 2: is being fulfilled.
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Speaker 3: His hands fall on that one man.
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Speaker 1: No doubt, a lot.
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Speaker 3: Of post production
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Speaker 1: As you're talking to you know, like, oh my God,