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KILLER-DAD CHRIS WATTS’ WIFE FAMILY SUFFERS EVIL ONLINE HATE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: I will never forget the so called killer dad, Chris Watts.
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  Speaker 2: He murdered his beautiful pregnant wife, Shenanne Watts, pregnant with
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  Speaker 2: her son Nico, and his two little girls, Bella and Celeste.
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  Speaker 2: But now another twist of the knife in the backs
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  Speaker 2: of Shenan's family. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Shanan Watts's father says his family has faced years of
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  Speaker 2: quote evil online hate after Chris Watts murdered his daughter.
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  Speaker 2: Shanan's dad, Frank Ruchik, says conspiracy theories distorted and twisted
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  Speaker 2: his daughter's life, falsely implicating the family in the killings.
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  Speaker 2: But what can be done about it? Let's have a
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  Speaker 2: reality check. This is what really happened.
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  Speaker 3: I learned it out of mine. I dropped her off
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  Speaker 3: her house that during the morning, my right when we
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  Speaker 3: were out of time and got pregnant, and I haven't
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  Speaker 3: been able to.
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  Speaker 4: Get up here of thurso the morning.
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  Speaker 5: Can you tell your mother in law that she went
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  Speaker 5: to a friends today?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Who's four friend?
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  Speaker 7: Friend?
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  Speaker 8: That's all?
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  Speaker 4: Who is she supposed to go to?
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  Speaker 2: I wear my sun glasses at night and indoors. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: did you see him going back and forth and back
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  Speaker 2: and forth. I'm just a trial lawyer, but I know
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  Speaker 2: that that's off and with good reason. Take a listen
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  Speaker 2: to this.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 6: He helped me through up.
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  Speaker 2: He helped me.
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  Speaker 9: Feeds me kay.
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  Speaker 4: Daddy Daddy.
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  Speaker 10: Shenan Ruchak never expected to fall in love with a
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  Speaker 10: man who sent her a random friend request, but two
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  Speaker 10: years later she married Chris Watts. Just after their first anniversary,
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  Speaker 10: the couple welcomes baby Bella and she becomes a big
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  Speaker 10: sister to celest at two years old. Despite financial struggles,
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  Speaker 10: the family is incredibly happy to learn they are expecting
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  Speaker 10: a little boy and break the news to Shannan's parents
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  Speaker 10: on a summer vacation.
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  Speaker 2: Baby Niko was never born, unless you count coffin birth.
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  Speaker 2: After Shanan Watts was murdered and placed in a shallow grave,
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  Speaker 2: her body expelled baby boy Nico. This raised the first
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  Speaker 2: red flag of alarm.
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  Speaker 3: Calling because I'm concerned about a friend of mine. I
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  Speaker 3: dropped her off at her house at two in the
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  Speaker 3: morning last night because we were out of town together
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  Speaker 3: and we were on the way back to the airport
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  Speaker 3: and youth and she's pregnant, and I haven't been able
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  Speaker 3: to get a hold of her this morning. And I've
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  Speaker 3: gotten to her house and her car is there and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that, but she won't answer the door, she
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  Speaker 3: won't answer the phone call, she won't answer text messages.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just really really concerned. And she had a
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  Speaker 3: doctor's appointments this morning and she didn't go to it,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm just I don't know what to do. I
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  Speaker 3: called him and talked to him, and he said that
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  Speaker 3: she went on a playdate with her other three daughters.
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  Speaker 3: But like, if she went on a playdate, they're both
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  Speaker 3: in carpet.
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  Speaker 2: Why would she not gave a car Shanan's friend rightfully disturbed.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's called routine evidence, not stereotypical or normal evidence,
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  Speaker 2: evidence of a routine Why would Shenan take her children
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  Speaker 2: on playdates with their car seats still in the back
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  Speaker 2: of her car? Sanan would never have done that. What
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  Speaker 2: more do we know?
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  Speaker 8: Listen?
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  Speaker 11: Pregnant Shanan Watts sets off again for a work trip
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  Speaker 11: with close friend Nicole Atkinson. Shanan confide her marriage has
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  Speaker 11: been strained, but she's hopeful to reconcile when she returns.
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  Speaker 11: The pair's flight was delayed, and Atkinson drops Shanan off
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  Speaker 11: at home just before two am Monday. Shanan has a
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  Speaker 11: nine am doctor's appointment, but the expectant mom misses it.
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  Speaker 11: Watts says Shanan told him she was taking the girls
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  Speaker 11: to a playdate when he left for work at five
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  Speaker 11: point fifteen, but he has no idea where Shanan or
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  Speaker 11: their children are.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what about that missed doctor's appointment. Shanan pregnant with
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  Speaker 2: baby Nico at the time, so rightfully and sop standard
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  Speaker 2: operating procedure. They speak to Chris Watts, the husband.
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  Speaker 5: Any friends she you know she would be hanging out with,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I know, I guess her, Hermanda, her parents
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  Speaker 5: are out of state US.
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  Speaker 12: Across country North Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so that's not happening.
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  Speaker 9: She can play her.
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  Speaker 6: All the girls blankies are gone.
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  Speaker 12: There's blankies they sleep if they don't leave anywhere without him.
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  Speaker 5: But nothing else beers be missing, though, just stuff you'd
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  Speaker 5: take for a quick trip.
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  Speaker 6: She'd tell you.
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  Speaker 5: Anything about leaving, moving out.
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  Speaker 6: Not moving out. I mean, the last time talk to
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  Speaker 6: her was this morning.
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  Speaker 13: She says she's gonna take the kids to a friend's house,
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  Speaker 13: and then she asked where she was going to be
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  Speaker 13: and then I've text her today.
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  Speaker 6: I never heard anything but the cars.
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  Speaker 13: The cars here, cars unless somebody can picked her up.
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  Speaker 13: But the people that I know, nobody start from her.
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  Speaker 8: Nobody's see her.
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  Speaker 2: Am I just projecting? Or can you tell who's lying
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  Speaker 2: right there? You know I picked up a lot. If
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  Speaker 2: we could put that on mute and see the video again.
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  Speaker 2: You see Chris Watts leading the police along they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to find his wife, his pregnant wife, Shenan. Check out
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  Speaker 2: the closet that I noticed immediately. Everything is in perfect order.
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  Speaker 2: She wanted to give him the perfect home. She had
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  Speaker 2: designed it, she had painted it. Look how organized. She
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  Speaker 2: even has her husband's clothes color coordinated. To see the
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  Speaker 2: sports shirts on the end. Then you've got dark, then
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  Speaker 2: you've got blue, then you've got plaid, orange, white, It
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  Speaker 2: goes on all the way around. She had in her
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  Speaker 2: mind the perfect home, the perfect marriage, the perfect family.
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  Speaker 2: Where does he fit in? Another thing? Oh yeah, another
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  Speaker 2: thing that jumped out at me. As he's walking through
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  Speaker 2: the home, he points out the baby's blankets are missing.
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  Speaker 2: He knows exactly where those blankets are. They were with
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  Speaker 2: the children Bella and Celeste when he murdered them, and
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  Speaker 2: he has a straight face. This guy can lie like
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  Speaker 2: a rug. So when we are judging someone's demeanor, you
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  Speaker 2: can really be fooled. This is Chris Watts aka Killer Dad.
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  Speaker 2: But you've got to see this the inevitable begging for
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  Speaker 2: their return.
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  Speaker 13: Nan, Bella, Celeste. If you're out there, just just come back,
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  Speaker 13: like if somebody has her, just please bring her back.
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  Speaker 13: I need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.
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  Speaker 13: This house is not complete without anybody here.
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  Speaker 6: Please bring it back.
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  Speaker 2: That's where our friend's at Denver seven. That was his
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  Speaker 2: emotional plea for his wife to come home, for the
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  Speaker 2: unknown perpetrator to bring her bag. That the house is
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  Speaker 2: not complete. That was your doing. Once you're doing, it's
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  Speaker 2: such a horrific manner. Even the neighbor noticed his behavior
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  Speaker 2: was very odd, uncharacteristically odd.
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  Speaker 5: Watch if you just want to go talk to him,
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  Speaker 5: I'm wanna get his infu real quick. He's not a no, he's.
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  Speaker 6: Never he's never rock the back of the farthing. If
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  Speaker 6: you look something other boats of stuff that they out
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  Speaker 6: of the garage, every right, And it doesn't look like
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  Speaker 6: he can't from that period because he can't come down
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  Speaker 6: the street to be completely almost fifteen. My wife and
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  Speaker 6: I were kind of wondering when she was on ventation
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  Speaker 6: if something happened, because I've heard them pulled out screaming
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  Speaker 6: at each other at the top of their mom and
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  Speaker 6: he gets crazy.
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  Speaker 5: That's pretty recently.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, her best and that's why she went and vented,
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  Speaker 6: did people because she wanted to get away from the situation.
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  Speaker 2: I love the neighbor. I want him to be my neighbor.
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  Speaker 2: So from his doorcam, he could see what was happening
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  Speaker 2: at Shenan's home she shared with Watts, and he could
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  Speaker 2: see what's loading things in and out of the car.
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  Speaker 2: He could see Shanan's car parked there. Now he referred
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  Speaker 2: to her going out of town. She had gone out
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  Speaker 2: of tamp Ror to her murder. She was with her
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  Speaker 2: family in North Carolina with the two little girls. She
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  Speaker 2: did not leave the two little girls with daddy, took
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  Speaker 2: them with her. The neighbor noticing uncharacteristically odd behavior on
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  Speaker 2: the part of Chris Watts. But then there's more.
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  Speaker 14: We waited the time when we were told the mom
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  Speaker 14: called the game. He said he was still on it
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  Speaker 14: in the way another forty five minutes. So he's been
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  Speaker 14: giving us false times and other thing. And we know
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  Speaker 14: he's been lying because you.
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  Speaker 5: Know his stories.
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  Speaker 14: I don't even know writing different stories, because we have
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  Speaker 14: one story she's with a friend right now, and then
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  Speaker 14: there's no story. She studs, play day with the kids
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  Speaker 14: with another friend, and then she left in the moon night.
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  Speaker 14: So she told us through different stories.
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  Speaker 2: So now that's the son of Shenan's best friend, Nicole
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  Speaker 2: Atkinson speaking. Now. I've always believed and observed that if
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  Speaker 2: your story gets embellished, like you add facts to it,
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  Speaker 2: that's totally understandable. Maybe you were not asked the right questions,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you remembered something in addition, like hey, now I
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  Speaker 2: remember X. But when your story changes, that is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: All right, You're hearing Nicole Atkinson's son describe how Chris
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  Speaker 2: Wats's story was changing. That's a big red flag. And
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  Speaker 2: then of course it culminates here.
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  Speaker 7: We have been able to recover a body that we're
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  Speaker 7: quite certain is she in Wat's body. We have strong
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  Speaker 7: reason to believe that we know where the bodies of
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  Speaker 7: the children are, and recovery efforts are in process on
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  Speaker 7: that that's.
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  Speaker 2: Where our friends at ABC eleven. Her body recovered and
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  Speaker 2: recovered in a horrible way. Pregnant Shenan was found buried
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  Speaker 2: in a shallow grave. I told you earlier that she
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  Speaker 2: then baby Nico was born by coffin birth. Her body
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  Speaker 2: expelled her only son. She had Bella and Celest, her
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  Speaker 2: two little girls. Not far from that shallow grave. Bella
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  Speaker 2: and Celeste. These two babies were found forced, their bodies
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  Speaker 2: forced into oil drums, long cylindrical drums, and their bodies
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  Speaker 2: decomposed in that at liquid not far from where mommy
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  Speaker 2: was buried. Now, of course, Watts was then questioned listen
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  Speaker 2: to what he had to say and watch his demeanor.
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  Speaker 12: You have to trust me that when I tell you
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  Speaker 12: that these two beautiful girls right here, I did nothing
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  Speaker 12: to them, And to my beautiful wife, I did nothing
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  Speaker 12: to her, like you have to trust me and believe me.
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  Speaker 12: Like I know, you don't know me as a person.
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  Speaker 12: You know me for like two and a half three hours,
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  Speaker 12: and I don't know what your opinion is, but you
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  Speaker 12: have to realize that these two beautiful girls right here
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  Speaker 12: and my wife I had nothing to do with the disappearance,
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  Speaker 12: like they vanished they were taken. Someone has taken them.
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  Speaker 12: They're safe somewhere, we don't know. I had nothing to
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  Speaker 12: do with these with this act of an evil, cruel
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  Speaker 12: que whatever has happened here, because my love for these
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  Speaker 12: two girls and my wife, like, I don't want anything
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  Speaker 12: to happen to them. I've never wanted anything to happen
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  Speaker 12: to them. Like I need them. I want them just
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  Speaker 12: to run through that front door and just grab me
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  Speaker 12: or just barrel, just tackle me, knocked me to the floor,
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  Speaker 12: bust my head. I don't care. The amount of love
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  Speaker 12: I have for my family is actually gonna it's never
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  Speaker 12: gonna die.
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  Speaker 4: And they need I want them back.
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  Speaker 12: I have to have them back.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.
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  Speaker 8: Listen, I don't think.
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  Speaker 13: Anything that could happen about the thing, I'd ever do it,
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  Speaker 13: but I did, you know, keep coming.
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  Speaker 12: And she excuse me of it as any I had
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  Speaker 12: shed on her as horrible for it, like she was
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  Speaker 12: pregnant and it was.
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  Speaker 13: I don't want to.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't her, I did.
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  Speaker 12: I heard her emotionally, I shood on her.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 8: Listen she heard them, yeah, and uh well now talk her.
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  Speaker 12: You never her?
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  Speaker 8: Did they leave you after that?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 8: She started her with the Gibs paper.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, not only does he murder her, he
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  Speaker 2: then blames her that.
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  Speaker 1: She is the bad person.
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  Speaker 2: There's a tiny bit more listen, and then what happened.
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  Speaker 12: I looked at her and I just can't talk her
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  Speaker 12: if you don't know. So she now do the same thing, okay, to.
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  Speaker 8: Get to knock her down.
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  Speaker 12: She was already underground, and I was like, I just
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  Speaker 12: hold her off on the bed and.
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  Speaker 4: Oh kind of one with the okay.
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  Speaker 13: So it's not as though yet I didn't hold her
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  Speaker 13: onf you know, like I don't wanna pulled her down.
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  Speaker 4: And I had that I didn't know.
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  Speaker 8: I lost it.
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  Speaker 12: Sure, Okay, Nano was laying on the ground on the bed,
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  Speaker 12: on the bed, Yeah, like when she was on top
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  Speaker 12: of she I saw what was happening, went down on
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  Speaker 12: the bed.
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  Speaker 10: What kind of a chi full the queen?
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  Speaker 8: You know, I think it's a for sure, that's probably
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  Speaker 8: a queen of some sort kind of a picture smart.
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  Speaker 12: And the.
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  Speaker 8: Days are gone. And that I had put my hands
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  Speaker 8: around my wife's men and did that same thing.
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  Speaker 4: It did sheman fight.
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  Speaker 8: Back at all?
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  Speaker 12: MM.
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  Speaker 8: The reason that I had seen that.
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  Speaker 9: Very much, and you know, shelin, we should.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a very special guest that
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  Speaker 2: I've wanted to speak to again for a very long time.
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  Speaker 2: Cherylynn Catle, the author of the Murders of Christopher Watts
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  Speaker 2: and The Many Faces of Christopher Watts, a five year update, Cherylynne,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. What led you to
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  Speaker 2: speak to Chris Watts?
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  Speaker 4: Well, just as you saw him on the front porch
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  Speaker 4: that morning, it seemed more like he was trying to
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  Speaker 4: not laugh. And I told my there's a lot here
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  Speaker 4: to uncover, and I'm going to write this man, and
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  Speaker 4: I want to write a book about him. I felt
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  Speaker 4: very led to do so. I just felt like it
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  Speaker 4: was meant to be, and so I did write him,
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  Speaker 4: and he responded and accepted my proposal to write a book.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I've never been interested in hearing what he had
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  Speaker 2: to say. But I'm curious the way I would be curious,
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  Speaker 2: like looking at a spider under a glass case. I'm
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  Speaker 2: curious in that way, like when you go to the
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  Speaker 2: snakehouse at the zoo. So I'm very curious what Chris
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  Speaker 2: Watts had to say. Tell me everything start at the beginning, Well.
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  Speaker 4: At the very beginning. Was he wanted to clear his
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  Speaker 4: wife's name, so he was willing to speak with me.
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  Speaker 4: He invited me to come to the prison. Actually, his
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  Speaker 4: mother was very much pushing for it, and I think
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  Speaker 4: it's because they thought they could control the narrative of
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  Speaker 4: a grandmother that they thought was someone that they could control,
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  Speaker 4: that he could control. So I went to the prison
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  Speaker 4: and I sat with him the first day for five
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  Speaker 4: hours as he poured out everything that had happened, but
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  Speaker 4: telling me there was some things that he couldn't tell
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  Speaker 4: me face to face, but he would write them to
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  Speaker 4: me in a letter.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Watts guilty plea maybe closed the criminal investigation, But
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  Speaker 2: for Shananne Watts's family, her murder morphed into years of
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  Speaker 2: relentless online hate defamation vitrio. It's horrendous. The family says
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  Speaker 2: they endeared wave after wave of online harassment, cruel and relenting,
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  Speaker 2: fueled by trolls spouting true crime conspiracy theories. But let's
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  Speaker 2: look at the actual facts. What really happened to Shenan
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  Speaker 2: Bella and Celeste.
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  Speaker 4: This is a man who wants people to think that
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  Speaker 4: he is the good boy next door. That's the way
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  Speaker 4: he came off to everyone and he's a monster, absolutely
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  Speaker 4: a monster in sheep's clothing when you go. When I
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  Speaker 4: went to the prison to meet with him, he just
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  Speaker 4: acted like the nicest guy and would hang his head,
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  Speaker 4: not looking straight in the eye. I could tell him,
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  Speaker 4: it's very ashamed. At one point I said, Christopher, look
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  Speaker 4: at me. Stop looking down. Look at me when you
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  Speaker 4: talk to me. I want you to look at me. Well,
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  Speaker 4: he was lying so much, I realized later, because he
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  Speaker 4: was blaming what he did on other things.
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  Speaker 12: So we.
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  Speaker 4: From there. He started writing me letters, mini letters, twelve
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  Speaker 4: page letters, and he one of the things he was
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  Speaker 4: trying to hide is the morning that he killed Shenan,
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  Speaker 4: he the girls were still alive. As he was rolling
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  Speaker 4: Shenan off of the bed and wrapping her in a sheet,
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  Speaker 4: Bella walked in the bedroom and said, what's wrong with mommy?
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  Speaker 4: What's happened? And he told her that mommy was sick
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  Speaker 4: and they were going to take her to the hospital.
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  Speaker 4: But he was mortified that that child woke up. As
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  Speaker 4: he put it, not far behind her was cec cec
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  Speaker 4: was stumbling. My opinion, she may have had a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of brain damage from where they he had smothered
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  Speaker 4: them and thought that he had completed the job. It
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  Speaker 4: takes more than a couple of minutes to do that,
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  Speaker 4: and I think he stopped too soon.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: One of the most horrible things that can be imagined
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  Speaker 4: is he put those two baby girls in the back
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  Speaker 4: seat of his truck, Bella asking why they weren't in
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  Speaker 4: a car seat or a seat belt, and him telling
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  Speaker 4: them it was okay, It'd be okay this time. He
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: laid Shenan across the bottom of the floorboard of that
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: truck under the girl's feet, and the girls kept saying,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: something stinks, daddy, something smells. What's what's wrong with mommy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: He took them to the oil field, where he had
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: them wait while he rolled Shenan out onto the ground.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: He pulled her over away from the truck, and he
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: buried her where those baby girls could watch. If you
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: can even imagine, As he rolled Shanan over, he noticed
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: that Nico had been born, and he was like amazed
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: at what had just happened. He went back to the truck.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: He smothered Ceci, he said, first, and then he smothered
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Bella well. First when he smelled, when he smothered Ceci,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: he said, he took her up to the oil battery
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: and put her in. But he put her in an
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: eight inch hole. Now, if you think of ordering an
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: individual pizza, it's about eight inches around. And he put
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: her in this eight inch hole and he had to
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: stomp her in. He couldn't just drop her in. He
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: had to stomp her in, and he heard the splash
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: as her body hit the oil. Then he went back
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: to the truck and Ceci said, Daddy, you're not going
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: to do the same thing to me that you did
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: to Bella, are you. But he took that child and
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: he put a blanket over her head, and he smothered her,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: and she fought him. She may have only been four,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: but that child fought him with everything she had. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: it has still made me wonder to this day if
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: CC made, or I'm sorry, if Bella made, have been
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: alive when he dropped her in that oil battery, because
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: she had tearing in her mouth, she had bruises. It
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: kept me awake at night, Nancy. It is the most
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: horrible thing of thinking of what he could have possibly
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: done to his own flesh and blood, and the reasons
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: why he did it are even more horrible, and he
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: pulled away listening to a song by Metallica, and.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I just okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, Sherlyn Catle.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: He pulled away, I mean drove away in his car
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: listening to Metallica. Yes, what was his demeanor as he's
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: telling you this? Or was this in the letters?
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Someone was in the letters and some was in person.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: In person, he could not tell me that they woke
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: back up, but he said in the letters that, you know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: he didn't know what else to do with their bodies
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: at that point. He was afraid they were going to
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: wake back up again. He thought, according to him, that
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: it was a spiritual thing that he that they woke
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: back up and he had to kill them the second time.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: He did not look at it as he just humbled
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: the murder the first time, So he was afraid they
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: would wake back.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I don't understand that. How did he think them reviving
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: was a quote spiritual thing, demonic? I mean, what is
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: he talking about?
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he thought it was. He thought he thought that
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: there was some sort of a darkness over him that
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: made him kill Chin and the girls, something that he
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: had been dealing with for a couple of weeks when
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: In fact, those couple of weeks were his planning stage.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: He would dream daydream about how he was going to
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: kill them. He knew the night that he put those
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: girls to bed, he says in a letter to me,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I knew that was the last night I would be
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: tucking my babies in. He knew they would never wake
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: up again. And Carrie on another day and so he
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: waited christian An to waylay her. He surprised her with
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: the way that he treated her. He had sex with
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: her before he murdered her.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: When he's talking to you and divulging these details, what
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: is his demeanor?
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Uh, he didn't want to look at me. He was
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: acting and want to I want to emphasize acting that
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: he was remorseful, telling me about how he's having nightmares
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: in prison, how Cecy is visiting him in prison. And
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: he thought that she knocked off some papers off of
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: a table right next to him, and he jumped because
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: he was afraid she was going to the table was
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: going to fall on top.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Of her and hurt her.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Really, so his demeanor was as a concerned dad as
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I'm you know, I can't believe I did what I did,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: but it was so fake just like the porch. You know.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I find all of this so hypocritical. I mean, he's
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: got the children's pictures on his wall in his jail cell.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: But he was a sane mind at the time he
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: murdered them. In fact, isn't it true, Sherilyn Catle that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: he murdered Shenan and Bella and Celeste and baby Nico
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: because he wanted to be with another woman And the
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: entire time Shenan was visiting her family in North Carolina,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: he used that opportunity to hit on a coworker.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Exactly, and they had a six week affair up to
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: the date that Shenan came home, and he didn't want
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: to let go of her. He didn't want to go
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: back to his real life and give up his girlfriend.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: But now after murdering his family and being found guilty
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: of everything, and he admitted to it, he then turned
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: to blame his girlfriend, that she was dark and somehow
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: she transferred this evil dark spirit onto him which made
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: him kill his family. Just another way of blaming. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: one thing I wanted to say, because we see him
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: so fidgety and everything on the videos with the neighbor's
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: house and talking to the police. He told me he
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: never considered, never gave one thought that he would ever
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: be fought. He thought he was so smart that he
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: could literally pull this off and never be caught, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: he could go off and have his life with his
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: girlfriend and everything would just be wonderful. Yeah, that's a monster.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: That's a real monster.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: When he would talk to you, Sherlynn, what was your
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: impression of him? Because I find that really not only interesting,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: like I said, studying a rattlesnake, but I find it probative.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: In other words, it proved something to me that he
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: was so arrogant that he believed he would never be caught,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: that he can manipulate everyone, the girlfriend and well the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: many girlfriends he had, his wife, his children, his own family,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the justice system, his coworkers. I mean, he's been hooking
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: up with women for one night stance forever, right right.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, Christopher is good looking, or he was at
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: one time he was good looking. I believe that this
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: crime has eaten him. He's not as good looking as
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: he used to be, but he he's a good looking
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: man and he comes across very sweet. He was very
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: gallants and the way he even treated me, he was
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: very kind. He wanted me to just feel that he
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: was the good boy next door, and he took on
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: a role with me, almost as that I was a
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: mother figure to him. And he would tell me that
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: because I mean, I went into it at sixty years old.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: I had no intentions of any kind of a romance,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: and I made that upfront in my letter. That's not
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: what my letter was about. And I find it interesting
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: that he has a lot of issues from growing up
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: that he may think is okay. But I would be
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: very concerned if my son had those kinds of issues.
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: And I think that it was what kind of issues, Well,
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: he had a he would go into the bathroom at home,
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: and his mother told me this. He would go into
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: the bathroom at home.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: And she would hear him crying and saying, Oh God,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: please forgive me, Please forgive me, Please forgive me for
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: what I did. Please forgive me. She said that she
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: would ask him about that, and he wouldn't answer her,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: and so she decided to leave him alone because she
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: felt like he had his right to moments of privacy.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Well that is far beyond privacy. That was sick. Something
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: had happened. Something a twelve year old.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Boy Oh, no, so much that something happened or that
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: he did something sounds to me that did something that
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: he was to be forgiven.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, absolutely, and so he would do things like that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: And he was very much a kind of a loaner.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: He did have a friend that he grew up with
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: that lived close by to them or next door or something.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: But I think there was a lot of dark things
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: in his childhood that he did. And I don't think
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: it was killing the cat down the street. I think
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: there was some things that he did. He told me
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: once in the jail that there was some things he
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: would take to his grave that he would never talk about.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: One of those things, well, hold on my head, just
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: boy off, let me attach it. He's murdered his pregnant wife,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the unborn baby, his two daughters, Bella and Celeste. But
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: there's something so bad he won't tell you.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So that was one of those things happened. During
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: the surrounding the murders, I would question him about different things.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I think the thing that he wouldn't talk about that
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: he was going to take to his grave, I think
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: it had to do with the fact that he gave
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Shenan a heavy dose of oxycodone when he had met
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: up with her at her family's house in South Carolina.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: They he spent the night at the house there with
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: the family, and he so wanted to get rid of
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the unborn baby that he gave Shenan. He made her
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: a shake and he put oxycodone in that shape, thinking
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: that it would cause her to miss carry. The poor
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: girl drank it unaware of what he was doing to her,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: and it made her very violently ill. She threw up
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: all night. He couldn't even console her. He allowed her
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: to literally sleep in the bathroom with her head on
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: the toilet, vomiting and sick. Her brother had to come
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: in and help console her. She was so sick, but
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: she did not lose her baby. I believe that one
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: of the things that he will take to his grave
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: with him is who gave him that oxycodone. He wouldn't
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: tell me this.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Disagree, and I admit that you're the expert because you've
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: had all these conversations with him. But he would sell
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: anybody down the river. He's now blaming Shenan. She was
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the problem. She was a control freak. He's blaming the girlfriend.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: It's all her fault. She was a quote dark Spirit
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: like Coltman, Laurie Valos said, he blames everybody else for everything.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's something much worse than who gave him
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the OxyContin that he slipped into her drink to kill
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the baby and maybe her. I don't think that's it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: He would sell out anybody and their mother. I think
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: it's something worse than that. Something he did to Shenan
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: or the girls, or to their bodies, something that's so
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: horrible he won't confess it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Minds follow that through to its logical conclusion, right right.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: And I have wondered if the girls were alive when
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: they hit that water. That has been because it's he
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: was a time crunch getting out of there. You know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: he had to appear like everything was okay at work
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: at eight o'clock, and so it took time to smother
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: those girls. It took time to walk them up those
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: battery steps. If you've seen a picture of them, they're huge,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: They're huge, They're tall up in the air. So were
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: they alive?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: So he had sex with Shenan right before he killed her.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I wonder if rape kits were done on Bella and Celeste.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I wonder if he let me just say ephemistically tampered
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: with Shanan's body post mortem. Whatever it is has got
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to be something that's so horrible he can't bring himself
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: to state it. I don't know what could be more
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: horrible than we already know he did what he's confessed
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: to question, how is he twisting this around and making
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: this all Sheanan's fault.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Shanan was an accomplished woman in her own rights. She
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: sold a company, Thrive, that she worked for, and she
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: was very successful. They gave her a car allowance for
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: a new Lexus. When she would go to the large
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: campaigns that they have every year she won awards. She
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: had something like four hundred thousand people under her. She
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: was very accomplished woman and she liked to spend money.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: She liked to impress. They lived in a huge home.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: She made him look very little in his eyes, he
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: felt like she made him look little. He told me
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: that she would.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: What how how does her working her fingers to the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: bone and creating this beautiful home that she artfully designed.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I've looked at every room that she designed, she painted,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: she furnished. Now, how does she makes the money she
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: brings home? The money she takes care of the children,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: She designs the home, she cleans the home. What how
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: does she make him look small? I thought you could
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: only do that all on your own.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: That's only in his eyes, not in I don't believe
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: she Nan felt that way about him. I don't I
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: know for fact, and laws did not feel that way
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: about him. But he had to have some way to
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: blame all this. See, they went on trips. That shows
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: right here you're looking at them at a beach. That
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: trip was furnished by her, by her company that she
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: worked for. She earned those things, and he had a job,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: a decent job, but he only made sixty thousand a year,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: teaming twice what he made, and he felt belittled, he said,
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: by her.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: She was very flading her money. Did he nobody, I know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: pay for all those motels he's shacked up in.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so all the dinners he took his girlfriend to
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: and the gifts that he bought her, that's right, yes.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: And so Sanan was, like you said, working her fingers
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: to the bone. The girl worked day and night to
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: do what she accomplished. And yet he would say that
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: she was just you know, just onto him all the time,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: and you know, just whatever he could use to blame
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: her forever.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because she probably knew he was cheating, or at
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: least suspected. Well, I think can't have a house that
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: beautiful that you design and you keep nat as a pen.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: And not look at your.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Husband's credit cards when he doesn't show up for supper?
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Right right?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Isn't that why we all have life? Three sixty?
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Yes? Right? Yeah? No, No, she was blindsighted in the beginning.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: I believe she trusted him because she was so busy.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: I don't think she had time to follow him around
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: and see what he was doing, and so in the beginning,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I think she was very trusting.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Shanana's dad quote, I never saw so much evil in
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: this world towards us and toward other victims. Even though
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Watts was sentenced to life without parole for murdering his
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: wife and their daughters and their unborn son, that didn't
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: seem to satisfy the online haters who still blamed Shenan
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and her family. It is insane distorting Shenan's life. Who
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: she is suggesting her family was somehow involved in the killings,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: But this is what really happened. I'm just thinking about her,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: and I admire her. Well, she's beautiful, and she always
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: is so put together, and she's trying so hard to
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: get that Hallmark family and home and keep it perfect
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and beautiful, and she has to wonder, what's wrong with me?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Why is he not coming home at night? Why is
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: he at the dew drop in motel? I mean, she
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: had to be suspicious, and that probably manifested by her
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: being quote on him like what are you doing?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Where have you been?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure he resented that. But this beautiful woman
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: on the end, not her, I'm talking about san An.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: That's one of his many, many girlfriends. Her Sanan. She
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: was always feeling like she was overweight, like she wasn't
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: pretty enough, like she wasn't exciting and funny and witty
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: and blah blah blah, felling the blank because of him.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Right right. He didn't do anything to feed her ego,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: but he wanted his fed well, and he went to
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: the gym and he lost weight and he buffed up.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: And she had to have known something's going on here
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: because she was a smart girl. She was just you know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: she wasn't stupid by any means. And so I mean
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: we all have things about us that we we wish
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: we looked different, or we were way less wrong with men.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. I just he did get it.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Of course. I guess you could say the same thing
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: about some women. But they've got it all. If you
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: can't be happy with her and the beautiful girls and
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the baby boy, and the picture perfect home and the
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: perfect neighborhood, what I mean, what does it take.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know what.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Does it take. That's everybody's dream.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: But listen to this. This I'm quoting from Sherilyn Catle's book.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Now she's got two of them. I know, if Nikki
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: and I were going to be together, I had to
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: kill all of them. That's a quote from the murders
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: of Christopher Watts. It was all to be with another woman.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Hadn't he ever heard of divorce?
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: Yes?
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Think of that. And the other woman. I don't know
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: anything about her, but Shenann was, in my opinion, far
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: more what he should want. I mean, he built a
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: life as.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: The people always cheat down. Yeah, yeah, cheat down down.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: That's a good one, yes, definitely. I mean, look at Shanian,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: she's beautiful, she's laughing, she's She's got a wonderful personality.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: She treated people so well. People loved her. She had
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: a huge group of friends. I don't understand at all.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: I don't understand why he would not be happy with
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: what he had.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: He tries to blame it on anger, that I was
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: so angry I would have killed anything Like anger is
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: some type of a beast that did the date.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: It was him that did the day.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Did he ever shed a tear?
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Never? Never did he shed a tear. And here's another thing,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: And I asked him about this point blank, because I said,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: it seems like that this monster in you, that whatever
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: it was, that you were having to go to the
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: bathroom and pray for forgiveness. And this didn't happen just once.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: This is something that happened on a kind of a
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: regular basis that his mother could hear him as a child.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: I said, it seems to me like there was a
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: monster inside of you and it was boiling and boiling
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: and it had to come out. And that's why you
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: killed Shanan is because that monster just had to come out.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you think of that, but it's
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: like something in there and it wasn't caused by Shananne,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: that monster inside of him.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: You know you mentioned that when he left the disposal, saying,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: which is a really ephemistic way to put what he
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: did to Bella and Celeste, Sheanane and Nico, that he
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: was playing Metallica. What he was playing was a Metallica song, Battery, Battery,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: and some of the lyrics are pounding out. Aggression turns
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: into obsession. Cannot kill the battery, cannot kill the family.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: That's he knew exactly what he was doing, and the
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: motive was to be with another woman who would probably
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: start cheating on the moment he could. Yes, Yeah, What
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: is your takeaway of Chris Watts? And the books are amazing,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: The Murders of Christopher Watts and the many faces of
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Christopher Watts a five year update. What's your takeaway that
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: you can give us.
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  Speaker 4: All these women that are at that are writing to
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: him and sending him love letters and sending him money
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: through the mail that has overloaded his commissary. My takeaway
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: is that there's something in him that he thinks he
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: can just woom any woman, and woman beware because let
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: me tell you, anyone that has that personality I would
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: definitely be very careful of I don't think that there
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: is a man or a woman alive that is willing
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: to kiss your feet that much, to woo you that much,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: and not just be himself. But these women, they want
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: to marry him, they want to support him, they want
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: to visit with him, they want to talk to him
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: on the phone. Oh my gosh. My takeaway is just
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: beware women, beware.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: You know you mentioned that he was good looking. I
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: have never once found him good looking, even before I
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: need for sure he murdered s Nan because he doesn't
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: have a kind face.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Now, why am I seeing him without a shirt on?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Why are you.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Doing that to me? I don't want to see his body.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: He's guck. You know what control room.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Showing me that?
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: You might as well show me a picture of a
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: coral snake or uh anaconda or a poisonous spider. That's
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: how I view him. I've never want saying a kind
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: look in his eyes. I mean, he may smile, but
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: there's something cold in his eyes. You know, when my
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: husband smiles, his eyes smile too, yes, and I espe
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: like my dad and my mom their eyes smile.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: His eyes always look cold to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's so many women think that
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: he's good looking, to the points that all these women
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: that have written him Nancy, they send him money in
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: the mail. He has a fan club. It's unbelievable, the
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: fan clubs that he has. And the people that believe
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: that he didn't really do this or it was more
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: caused by Shenandy.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: They confessed, and people still believe he didn't do it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, people still believe he did not do it.
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  Speaker 2: What an artful deceiver he is, you know, that's what
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: the devil is often called, the deceiver. Yeah, the deceiver, that's.
• 49:12
  Speaker 12: What he is.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Shanan's dad says, the hate has got to stop. The
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: family had nothing to do with it, but losing a
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: loved one or in my case it was four, referring
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: to Shenan, Bella, Celeste, and baby Nico. I'll never forget
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Chris Watt's stating quote, my kids are my life. I mean,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: those smiles light up my life. When I came home
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: then walked in the house, nothing vanished, nothing was there. Yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: because you killed them. But now online and beyond, haters
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: insists Shenan and her family are responsible. Nothing could be
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: further from the truth. Can they ever be brought to justice,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: maybe with a lawsuit for intentional infliction of emotional distress.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I'm all for it.
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  Speaker 2: We wait as justice sun falls. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: signing off good bye friend,