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Steve Price | 24 January · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to Friday Nights Steve Price with you as
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  Speaker 2: we head into the Australia Day Long weekend and the
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  Speaker 2: incessant carping about the date January twenty six, I mean
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  Speaker 2: the predictable street protests that will get global attention in
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne with the Australian Open Tennis and the disgraceful vandalism
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  Speaker 2: red paint again on Sydney's James Cook statue and the
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  Speaker 2: beheading of the statues in Melbourne in Victoria pathetic. I'll
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  Speaker 2: have more on that to come during the program, and
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  Speaker 2: it is a pack program tonight. We start in Israel
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  Speaker 2: emotional scenes this week with the release of those three
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  Speaker 2: hostages held by Hamas since October seven, but for others
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  Speaker 2: the pain just gets worse. We will be joined by
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  Speaker 2: our mother who lost her daughter on that day of
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  Speaker 2: massacre and she now hopes to get some answers on
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  Speaker 2: what exactly happened.
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  Speaker 1: She'll join us shortly.
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  Speaker 2: A predicted thirty thousand protesters, as I mentioned, will flood
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  Speaker 2: the Melbourne streets on Australia Day to march in support
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  Speaker 2: of Palestine and to argue Australia Day is Invasion Day.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go again.
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  Speaker 2: They will face off with a formidable police presence and
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  Speaker 2: it could get very rough. And in the glare of
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  Speaker 2: the foreign media who are here to cover the Australian
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  Speaker 2: Open Grand Slam Tennis. We'll dig into the polls on
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  Speaker 2: the date Australia Day that show overwhelmingly people support January
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  Speaker 2: twenty six and we please move on. Plus, we will
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  Speaker 2: wrap up the remarkable week that has been the Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump comeback. Look, this is a moment in history that
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  Speaker 2: we've all witnessed. We've never seen something like this before
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  Speaker 2: and we will likely never see it again. I'll take
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  Speaker 2: you to the US to find out the latest on
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  Speaker 2: the comeback of Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: But first up, as the three.
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  Speaker 2: Day break with the Australia Day in the middle is
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  Speaker 2: upon us, the Prime Minister Anthony Albneasy. He decided today
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  Speaker 2: to turn up at the National Press Club in Canberra
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  Speaker 2: to deliver what promised to be his set piece, setting
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  Speaker 2: Australia up for an election sometime over the next four months,
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  Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. Let's hope what we got, though,
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  Speaker 2: was not a Trump style promise of a new Golden Age,
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  Speaker 2: or even a revolution of common sense. But a negative
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  Speaker 2: attack on his opponent Peter Darton, a series of motherhood
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  Speaker 2: statements about education and medicare, and his government's record on
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  Speaker 2: the economy. There was one big promise that had already
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  Speaker 2: been leaked to the media, that's more money for apprentices
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  Speaker 2: that was reported this morning, but as the building industry
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  Speaker 2: pointed out this morning, that wouldn't do a thing for
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  Speaker 2: the current housing crisis. An apprentice takes years to end
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  Speaker 2: up being an actual builder. Now, Prime Minister Albinizi refused
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  Speaker 2: to address the issue of broken promises around the price
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  Speaker 2: of electricity, and he dodged criticism of his party's action
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  Speaker 2: on anti semitism. Look, it was a pretty ordinary speech
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  Speaker 2: and he improved slightly I guess when it came to questions.
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  Speaker 2: But it did become clear though that the upcoming campaign will,
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  Speaker 2: from Labour's point of view, be all about attacking Peter Dutt.
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  Speaker 3: There's a reason my opponent hasn't fronted up here his
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  Speaker 3: whole time as opposition leader. He doesn't like questions because
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't have any real answers. He's obsessed with talking
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  Speaker 3: Australia down to try and build himself up. But this
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  Speaker 3: is not a time for wrecking, for cutting, for thinking small,
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  Speaker 3: aiming low and looking back. This is a time for building,
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  Speaker 3: for looking after people and looking to the future.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm not sure many Australians actually watched this. I
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  Speaker 2: watched the whole thing. The Prime Minister I reckons on
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  Speaker 2: dangerous ground. Here he comes at this election being seen
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  Speaker 2: by the wider population as being a week leader and
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  Speaker 2: one with limited vision. And embarrassingly he struggled to name
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  Speaker 2: one big thing his first term government had actually done,
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  Speaker 2: mumbling something about bringing inflation down. Try telling that to
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  Speaker 2: some tonight in a supermarket or a petrol station. Sadly,
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  Speaker 2: and I genuinely mean this sadly because I want strong leadership.
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  Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister seems to me to be stuck
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  Speaker 2: in the camera bubble and happy to.
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  Speaker 1: Actually be there.
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  Speaker 2: Now he will have to, at some stage, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: address the national argument around energy and not simply stand
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  Speaker 2: up there and say, sun and when the great nuclear
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  Speaker 2: is bad.
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  Speaker 3: We're building new energy to bring bills down. Now their
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  Speaker 3: nuclear fantasy means pressing the pause button for twenty years
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  Speaker 3: and then funding the most expensive form of new energy
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  Speaker 3: on the planet.
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  Speaker 2: How can he pretend his renewable plan's going to bring
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  Speaker 2: energy prices down, it's going to be more expensive. And
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  Speaker 2: when the questions actually got tough today, he didn't really
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  Speaker 2: have an answer.
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  Speaker 4: Before the last election, you spoke about restoring integrity and
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  Speaker 4: responsibility to politics on three issues. Your government's leadership in
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  Speaker 4: response to anti semitism, Labour's promised to reduce power prices
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  Speaker 4: by two hundred and seventy five dollars by twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: five this year. And your decision to proceed with the
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  Speaker 4: Indigenous Voice referendum despite expectations it would fail amid a
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  Speaker 4: cost of living crisis. Will you own up to getting
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  Speaker 4: these issues wrong or acknowledge that mistakes were made.
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  Speaker 3: I came to the National Press Club on multiple occasions,
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  Speaker 3: So begin by reaffirming the commitment that Labor had to
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  Speaker 3: Indigenous recognition in our constitution. John Howard promised Indigenous recognition
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  Speaker 3: in our constitution, so that was something that had been
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  Speaker 3: around for a very long period of time.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty sure that didn't answer the question anyway. If this
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to be a rousing campaign call to battle
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  Speaker 2: for those ministers that were sitting in the audience in
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  Speaker 2: that room.
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  Speaker 1: Today, well good luck.
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  Speaker 2: If it was supposed to deliver a cracker quote that
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  Speaker 2: will dominate the media tonight and tomorrow. I'm sorry that
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  Speaker 2: speech is going to disappear very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's colleagues must be very nervous.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: There were scenes of celebration, as there should be this week,
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  Speaker 2: as the first of the three Israeli hostages were released
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  Speaker 2: under the ceasefire deal with Hamas. But those who lost
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  Speaker 2: loved ones during the horrific October seven attacks, well, they're
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  Speaker 2: still searching for answers. I mean, it must be absolutely horrific.
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  Speaker 2: My next guest is the mother of Guya Haalifa, a
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  Speaker 2: twenty four year old who was murdered trying to escape
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  Speaker 2: the Hamas massacre at that Supernova music festival. Guy's friend,
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  Speaker 2: Rommy gone In, was one of the first three hostages
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  Speaker 2: released this week under that ceasefire ideal and was with
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  Speaker 2: her at the time of the attack. Following Romy's return,
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  Speaker 2: Sigal Halifa, well, she's holding on to hope that she
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  Speaker 2: might only get some answers about exactly what happened to
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  Speaker 2: her beautiful daughter on that horrific day. And she joins
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  Speaker 2: me now from Israel, look, I'm so very sorry for
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  Speaker 2: your loss. Can I ask you about your emotions this week?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're delighted for young Romy, but it
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  Speaker 2: must have just torn at your heart seeing that this week.
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  Speaker 5: Hi, Hello.
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  Speaker 6: The feeling is a mixed feeling, you know, happy to
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  Speaker 6: see Romy alive and everyone is going to come back.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to be happy. But it's reminded me that
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  Speaker 6: Romy and Guy I dropped together to the novel festival.
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  Speaker 6: Romy came back and my daughter never gonna come. They
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  Speaker 6: murdered her. And it's makes me to feel happy and
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  Speaker 6: said bost of the time.
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  Speaker 2: We're just seeing some pictures of your daughter. What a
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  Speaker 2: beautiful young woman she wants us. I'm not sure how
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  Speaker 2: you feel about this question. Do you ask yourself?
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  Speaker 1: What if? What if go ahead and gone to that festival.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. You know, we don't have any control
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  Speaker 6: about what happened in our life. I don't know. Maybe
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  Speaker 6: she's going to be with Meat today and everything it's
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  Speaker 6: going to be okay. Never nobody think about this Saturday
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  Speaker 6: that you know, in the sixf of October, we're sitting together,
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  Speaker 6: eating dinner, laughing till one pm, and then three o'clock
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  Speaker 6: ROMI came to our house and they drove together to
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  Speaker 6: the festival in six and a half in the morning,
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  Speaker 6: it was alarmed in the Israel, all over the country,
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  Speaker 6: and we think that it's just a bum and nobody
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  Speaker 6: think about the hamas terrorists. It's going to story like this.
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  Speaker 6: It's no one imagined this is what's this story.
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  Speaker 2: As a parent, I can't imagine what it must be like.
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  Speaker 2: I've got two young daughters and I can't of imagine
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  Speaker 2: what to be like going through this. When you make
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  Speaker 2: contact with Rommy, what exactly are you hoping to learn
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  Speaker 2: from her?
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  Speaker 6: I already met her and she remember every part of
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  Speaker 6: this day. The one thing she told me that Guya
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  Speaker 6: behave like a commander. She told everyone where to go,
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  Speaker 6: where to hire, the high and the big bush. But
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  Speaker 6: in ten o'clock Guya started to fred and to understand
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  Speaker 6: and to realize that maybe she's not going to stay
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  Speaker 6: in alive. And she start to cry and she telled
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  Speaker 6: to Romy and afraid to die.
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  Speaker 1: How did they become separated? Do you know.
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  Speaker 6: They didn't separate? They have a Guya friends came to
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  Speaker 6: take them with a car, and Guya called to her
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  Speaker 6: father and she asked him if he came to add
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  Speaker 6: nearly to come to pick them, and Avi told her, sure,
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to come in a twelve past ten. He
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  Speaker 6: Gaya called to Avi and then she tell him father,
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  Speaker 6: the harmaster is shooting on us. And after a few
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  Speaker 6: minutes we heard like a gunshin and the land had
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  Speaker 6: to breathe of Gaya.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, your husband, it's hard to say this, but
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  Speaker 2: heard your daughter almost die on the phone.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's horrible. It's like a nightmare. You never believe
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  Speaker 6: something like this happened. It's a shock, and it's going
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  Speaker 6: to be till the last breath of Avi. You remember
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  Speaker 6: this horrible day we lost in this warld.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about your daughter, what her hopes,
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  Speaker 2: what her future was going to be, what her life
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  Speaker 2: was going to be going to be, before she was
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  Speaker 2: murdered by these.
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  Speaker 6: And she's supposed to start to learn. She's supposed to
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  Speaker 6: start to learn. In the eighteenth of October. Gaya was
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  Speaker 6: an excellent in the school and she was in the
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  Speaker 6: Army combat medical. After the Army, Gaya and Romy was
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  Speaker 6: in the backpack trip together nine months and she just
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  Speaker 6: start to live the life like every young woman.
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  Speaker 2: So go a lot of Australia's thorts go out to
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  Speaker 2: you and I really appreciate you getting on the line
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  Speaker 2: for us tonight from Israel and what.
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  Speaker 1: Can I say?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is just an horrendous thing. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: very much for talking to us. Can you believe what
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  Speaker 2: that would be like to go through that. We're seeing
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  Speaker 2: one of your children murdered by terrorists and having your
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  Speaker 2: husband on the phone listening all the gunshots rang out.
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  Speaker 1: You just can't believe it.
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  Speaker 2: No one deserves to lose a child in that situation.
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  Speaker 2: It's just horrendous. And we've got to keep reminding people
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  Speaker 2: about what happened on October seven. I mean, it all
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  Speaker 2: gets brushed over and people forget about it, but no
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  Speaker 2: one should ever forget what happened that day.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the reason why Hamas has to be destroyed now.
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  Speaker 2: The latest polling from Resolved Political Monitors revealed more voters
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  Speaker 2: atturning to Peter Dutton as a preferred leader. I spoke
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  Speaker 2: about Anthony Albanezi at the top of the program. There's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of frustration as we know, over the cost
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  Speaker 2: of living crisis. Dutton is now leading Anthony Albanesi thirty
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  Speaker 2: nine to thirty four as the preferred prime minister. Fifty
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  Speaker 2: percent of Australians revealed they expect inflation to get worse,
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  Speaker 2: not better this year. Joining me now our Friday and
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  Speaker 2: regular Queensland Premier Campbell Newman. Campbell, great to see you
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  Speaker 2: as usual. Can you imagine what it would be like
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  Speaker 2: going through what that woman has just gone through with
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  Speaker 2: the loss of her daughter.
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  Speaker 5: Ah, just extraordiny.
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  Speaker 7: Lisa and I got two girls and the whole way
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  Speaker 7: through this thing, the last sort of fifteen months. That's
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  Speaker 7: always been the way we viewed the whole thing. I'm
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  Speaker 7: sure every parent does. Just absolutely horrific. And yeah, we
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  Speaker 7: must not forget why Israel went to war. They went
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  Speaker 7: with an absolute legitimate purpose and those that have constantly
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  Speaker 7: nitpicked and undermined them should hang their heads in shame
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  Speaker 7: because they've actually fought a war on the behalf of
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  Speaker 7: the West.
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  Speaker 5: I think Benjamin Natanya who has been right to say that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be nice to play that interview to some
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  Speaker 2: of these morons who are going to be out there
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  Speaker 2: protesting with Palestinian flags in the middle of our capital
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  Speaker 2: cities on Australia Day.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the polls.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw much of Anthony Albanesi's
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  Speaker 2: press club speech today. I described it as ordinary. It
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  Speaker 2: won't make many headlines. I don't think it's going to
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  Speaker 2: start the starter's gun for an election campaign. What do
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  Speaker 2: you make of those poll results? So were they real?
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  Speaker 7: Well, they're worse than I would have thought, and particularly
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  Speaker 7: I guess of concern too Labor is the sort of
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  Speaker 7: the polling in Victoria and New South Wales. I guess
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  Speaker 7: I'm not surprised if Labour's brand is on the nose
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  Speaker 7: in Victoria given the state of the place. Probably a
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  Speaker 7: bit surprised in New South Wales given that Chris Min's
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  Speaker 7: on five out of seven days impresses me as a
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  Speaker 7: premier and that's a high mark, I suppose. So things
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  Speaker 7: are going badly for them, and that press a press
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  Speaker 7: club event. I mean, just to take one issue, albo
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  Speaker 7: is saying that more renewables are going to get prices down.
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  Speaker 7: My business operates in five states and territories looking after
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  Speaker 7: commercial property, and I could tell you now the state
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  Speaker 7: with the highest renewable South Australia has prices that are
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  Speaker 7: the highest, you know, fifty cents to killer. What hour
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  Speaker 7: versus say, thirty to thirty five in other states that
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  Speaker 7: we operate in, say no more more renewables, less coal,
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  Speaker 7: and I think we'll be confidently seeing prices go up
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  Speaker 7: and also issues reliability.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the public's waking up to that.
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  Speaker 2: They're not buying that old line that you know, I've
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  Speaker 2: put up wind turbines and everyone has zola suddenly going
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  Speaker 2: to get cheap, and no.
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  Speaker 1: One's buying that argument anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Just with your experience in state politics, we normally don't
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  Speaker 2: see issues within a state affect a federal election necessarily.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you're absolutely one hundred percent correct about
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  Speaker 2: Victoria in particular because the Victorian government is so on
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  Speaker 2: the nose. I think the federal labor government will be punished.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that'll happen in many other states. Perhaps
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  Speaker 2: in Queensland, perhaps because of the history of the Palache
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  Speaker 2: government and the Miles government.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of ground though to be made
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  Speaker 5: up for.
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  Speaker 7: The Coalition in Queensland because they hold all the cards already,
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  Speaker 7: and like just reflect on a previous conversation, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I think the coalition might be able to pick up
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  Speaker 7: the seat of Brisbane from the Greens. Otherwise it's going
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  Speaker 7: to go to labor. I think they will pick up
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  Speaker 7: the seat of Ryan, they'll reclaim that seat and maybe
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  Speaker 7: they use lowse like Heart.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't think Late.
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  Speaker 7: Going to improve their position in queens aand rally other
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  Speaker 7: than take a seat or two from the Greens, whereas
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  Speaker 7: in Victoria in New South Wales. But with these sorts
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  Speaker 7: of numbers, well maybe that's how the Coalition bring it home.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to be a fascinating election.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about Queensland, the state budget, they're heading for two
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  Speaker 2: consecutive years of nine point two billion dollar deficits, which
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  Speaker 2: is small compared to Victoria, but it's huge, largest in
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  Speaker 2: the state's history. The Treasurer, David Jenetski is said told
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  Speaker 2: The Australian that the previous Miles government had failed to
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  Speaker 2: allocate funding to big projects. What has happened to all
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  Speaker 2: the mining royalties? I mean I thought Queensland was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be swimming in money.
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  Speaker 7: Well, Queensland and was swimming in money, particularly when the
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  Speaker 7: coal price was through the roof, and they stuck an
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  Speaker 7: extra level of coal royalty to try and capture some
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  Speaker 7: of that, which is then disincentivized a further investment in
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  Speaker 7: the state in the future. But look, it was always
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  Speaker 7: going to be the case that the prices came down,
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  Speaker 7: and there's been a revenue drop of quite some dramatic
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  Speaker 7: proportions there that's going on. And then of course you've
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  Speaker 7: had just terrible financial management and silly election commitments. You know,
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  Speaker 7: for example, the fifty cent bus fair, bus and train fares.
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  Speaker 7: We've also seen a situation where they haven't put enough
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  Speaker 7: money in the budget to cover potential.
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  Speaker 5: Sort of infrastructure.
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  Speaker 7: Projects, and also the paid demands of the public sector workforce,
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  Speaker 7: which is blind out. There's no tomorrow the head count,
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  Speaker 7: so the lmpur are in for a real high. And
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  Speaker 7: I'm afraid this is where it comes home to Rooster,
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  Speaker 7: because they made all sorts of silly commitments leading into
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  Speaker 7: the action last October. Oh no, we won't get rid
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  Speaker 7: of fifty cent public transfert fish. Oh no, the public
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  Speaker 7: service numbers dead right, they're fine, and so on and
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  Speaker 7: so forth. And I don't know how they're going to
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  Speaker 7: turn this one around. I really don't, because they've really
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  Speaker 7: boxed themselves in.
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  Speaker 1: Plus I got to pay for an Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just Finally we've got a Captain Cook's statue
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney, daub with red paint. Again happens every year.
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  Speaker 2: They busted off a hand and part of the Cook's nose.
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  Speaker 1: In Melbourne you.
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  Speaker 2: Had out at Ballarat the busts of a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: Australian Prime ministers be headed, Kevin rud and Paul Keating
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  Speaker 2: among them. I mean, when are these people going to
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  Speaker 2: stop this rampant vandalism. I mean, what's the point of
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  Speaker 2: having this dumb argument every year?
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  Speaker 7: Oh look, it's just infantile. I think these people have
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  Speaker 7: got anger management issues. They taken out on inanimate objects.
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  Speaker 7: Just these statues just just awful. And you know, fundamentally
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  Speaker 7: these people clearly missed any sort of history lessons at school.
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  Speaker 7: They have no context to you know, what they're railing against.
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  Speaker 7: You know, Captain Cook was not the invader of Australia.
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  Speaker 6: He was.
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  Speaker 7: He was the person who sort of happened to you
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  Speaker 7: identify in great detail the geography of the East Coast.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: He didn't, he didn't occupy the land.
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, we could go on and why are the
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: poor old former pms getting getting getting beheaded down in Victoria?
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: I really don't under and it seems like it's across
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: the political divide from what I can can read.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's just shameful vandalist.
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: I hope they're all caught and they.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I could say something nasty back Kevin Rudd, but I'll
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: behave myself. It is Friday, head into along with kid
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Kevin him and thanks. I'll talk to you next week.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: That's kem whin Yiman joined us every Friday night after
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the break signs an increasing number of Australias actually fed
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: up with this debate Around Australia Day just like I am.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Plus businesses a ward brace yourself for these major protests
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: over the weekend, thirty thousand people estimated to hit the
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: streets in the capital city of Melbourne. Welcome back to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: do price with I have some news on a major
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: development in a Melbourne infrastructure project that will interest you.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I'll give you some detail on that shortly story that's
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: broken in the Herald sun Lake today. Now straight to
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: day debate, as we know, it's in full swing once again.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: But some new polling suggests an increasing majority of Australians
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: this doesn't surprise me at all, are opposed to the
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: idea of moving the date from January twenty six. Now,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: there was an online News Corps survey across the tabloid
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: newspapers this week and what that has revealed nine to
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: ten think our National Day should not be moved nine
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: out of ten. And a survey Zole Political Monitor, a
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: separate survey has seen support for January twenty six increase
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: from forty seven percent support to sixty one over just
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: two years. Joining me now is the executive director at
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the Institute of Public Affairs, Scott Hargraves.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone I talk to says, well, look, we can't find
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: an alternative date, Leave it on the twenty sixth of
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: January and let's get on with it. To those poll results, Scott,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: surprise you at all?
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  Speaker 8: No, they don't, Steve very consistent with the polling that
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: we've been doing on Australia Day over a number of
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: years that there has been that positive shift, And I'd say, Steve, yes,
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: Australians are sick of this seemingly interminable debate and all
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: the activists banging on about it, but I think it's
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: a bit more positive than that.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: There's been a bit of a vibe shift.
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: Ever since the defeat of the Voice referendum, Australians is
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: seeing that it's okay to be patriotic, it's okay to
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: celebrate our great country, and they're increasingly saying, well, it's
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: not just because you know, it's one day that's as
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: good as any other.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: They're saying, no, this is our day. We've been doing this.
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: For a long time, nearly two hundred years since the
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: first over two hundred years since the first celebrations of
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: January twenty six were held. Australians, I think are making
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: a positive statement that they want to celebrate this great
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: country and they do want to celebrate it on January
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: twenty six. So that's the change that we're seeing in
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: those polls.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Well, Scott, the IPI were the ones that first picked
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: up this vibe, this change of mood.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I think you're right about the Voice.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I think the other thing was that really annoyed people
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: last year was when Woolies went around wagging their finger
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: at people saying, oh, no, no, we're not having any
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Australian produce in here. No flags, you know, no thongs
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: with the Australian flag are not We're just going to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: ignore it. They then had to do a big backflip Australians,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: as we showed, didn't They Scott in the voice referendum
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that they don't like big corporates telling them what to think.
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: Well, that's right, and for a long time the noisy
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: minority held sway and was able to cow everybody else
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: and drive these big corporates even though there are minority
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: the corporates were listening only to the loud voices. And
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: now what's changing, Steve, is that these companies are paying
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: a price. They will continue to act in the way
• 24:23
  Speaker 8: in a woke fashion, listening to the noisy minority of
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: activists unless they're made to pay a price. And this
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: is what happened to Woollies, and it's going to start
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: happening to other companies, including in the hospitality industry, that
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: they're going to pay a price for following along with
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: that noisy activist's agenda and these sort of anti Australian
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: sentiments that we've seen.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I've got some hope that people might, as Peter Dutton says,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: boycott the Hong Kong owned Australian venue company over that
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: then moved to snub the National Day at their two
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: hundred venues. My only problem with that, I think is
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: we're talking about pubs and it's Australia Day. I think
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: it's very hard to convince an Australian you can't go
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: into your local pub, even if it is one of
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: the ones owned by this particular outfit.
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: Look, I think it's going to start getting pretty simple.
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: You know, when you've got to shell out the heart,
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: earn for the parma and feed the family. You're going
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: to walk into that pub. You're going to look around
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: and say where are the Australian flags? Are you going
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: to see something like the Steinhotel in Manly which.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Just says just refers to this as the.
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: January Long weekend, Or you're going to go to somewhere
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: like the Mulven Hotel, which on its Instagram page says
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: I love Australia Day and proudly advertises that fact. You've
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: just got to have your eyes and ears open and say, well,
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: it might be my local pub, but if it's some
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: faceless group of property developers that don't seem to care
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: about this country that are going to pander to the
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: noisy activist, then you just say no, time to go
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: find somewhere else.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I can get a tram to the Marlven Hotel.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: So you've just put a very good thought in my
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: mind about where I might spend Australia Day. Scott, Thank
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you very much mate. We'll catch up with you again shortly.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Scott from the IPA. Then, sticking with the Australia Day
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: theme and debate, businesses are now bracing for what's going
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: to happen with these disgraceful protests. Now they're going to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: be right around the country.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I checked.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: There's going to be protests against Australia Day from indigenous
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: groups in most capital cities of the country, but Melbourne
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: seems to be demonstration central. Now I don't know who
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: came up with this figure, but there's a prediction that
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: thirty thousand people are expected to march from the steps
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: of Victoria's Parliament House down to Federation Square on Australia
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Day itself. That will cause complete chaos in the city.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: The Victorian Premier just said to Alan, well, she's been
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: a bit cute here. She slammed protesters who have vowed
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to target the Australian Open Men's Final. Now that's a
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: small group of pro Australian Day protesters. I don't think
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: that's going to cause too much trouble. It's the bigger
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: protest that is really going to cause drama for people,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: particularly if you own a restaurant or a cafe or
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: a pub in the middle of the city. Would you
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: go into the CBD knowing you're going to be confronted
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: with pro Palestinian protesters, pro Indigenous protesters and whatever anarchists
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and nut jobs want to join in. They're going to
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: be there as well. It might get violent. A lot
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: of police are going to be around joining me. Now,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the Australian Restaurant and Cafe Association CEO, Where's Lambert, Where's
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: look Australia. They is supposed to be a barbecue snags
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: a few beers celebrate the fact that we live in
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: a great country. The hospitality industry makes a lot of money.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: On the twenty six, How much damage potentially could these
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: protests do?
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: Melbourne struining cafe segment of accommodation food service has been
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: hammered with all of the protests that have been allowed
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: to continue in Melbourne. So we expect that if thirty
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: thousand protesters descend on the city that maybe restaurants and
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: cafes will just be forced to shut they won't be
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: able to open up, and you know it'll mean that
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: they might have zero revenue. So you're talking about one
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: of the busiest long weekends of the year for restaurants
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: and cafes in Melbourne. They might have a goose egg.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: One of the great restirateurs of Melbourne, Chris Lucas, who
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: owns a number of high profile venues in the CBD,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I mean to your point that this has been happening
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: every weekend now since October seven. He says he never
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: knows when the protest is going to be, where it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: going to go, what the root of the march is
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: going to be, and he has customers telling him, look, Chris,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I love you Bar Americana or one of his other
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: great venues, but I just don't want to come into
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: town on the weekend because I might get caught up
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: in what could turn violent.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: Many restaurants and cafes around Melbourne told us that it's
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: just too dangerous and that many of their customers have
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: said they don't like the unpredictability where the city can
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: get cut in half. And you know, they potentially can't
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: get to the restaurant, a cafe where they have a booking,
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: or they can't get home, and so you know, we
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: call upon the the Victorian government to stop this, to
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: put a permitting system in place and just make it
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: more predictable. Certainly let businesses know when that is going
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: to happen, because ultimately that's who it hurts.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Well, you're in Sydney and I like the protest there
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: on Australia Day is going to be confined to Billmore Park.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a sensible way to run a protest
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: movement as opposed to this you can go wherever you
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: like policy that seems to be alive and well with
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: a Victorian government.
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: Oh look, I think they forget where jobs come from,
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: and in Victoria it is from small businesses like restaurants
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: and cafes. And when those businesses are not allowed to
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: trade because of these wild protests that you know are
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: unpermitted in many cases, it means that people potentially.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Lose their jobs.
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: And so you know, it's very important that the Victorian
• 30:02
  Speaker 9: government listens to small business and does something about this.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Where As you and I talked a lot during COVID
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and we're now hopingly hoping to see hospitality come out
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: of that the COVID fog. What do you make of
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: this idea the Coalition has put up about tax deduction
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: where small businesses will be able to claim for meals
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: like we used to be able to do in the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: good old days before Paul Keating smashed us with an FBT.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Is it good policy? Do you think small business will
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: embrace it? And is it good for the hospitality industry?
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: Ultimately, it's an amazing policy that the Coalition has put
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: forward in advance of the election. And for all of
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: your viewers, it's two and a half million businesses that
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: previously didn't use meal entertainment because they didn't want to
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: be slugged with fringe benefits tax they've now potentially will
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: be allowed to spend up to twenty thousand dollars a year.
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: That's two and a half million times twenty thousand dollars.
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: That's fifty billion dollars new spending, new revenue that potentially
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: can flow into restaurants and cafes and other hospitality businesses
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: and entertainment businesses around the country. A third of that
• 31:21
  Speaker 9: coming in Victoria, where that's all new new revenue, new business,
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: new jobs. We're not quite sure why everyone keeps saying
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: that it's bad for business or potentially is bad for
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: taxes and will cost the Australian people, and that taxpayers
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: will pay for this. This is small businesses that now
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: can actually reward their employees, can win new business by
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: being able to take clients out for meals in entertainment,
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: and it will certainly stimulate the economy and help to
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: save hospitality. Predator watch keeps drumming on every month, one
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: in twelve, one in eleven, one in ten hospitality businesses
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: are going to liquidate in fiscal twenty five. I'm not
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: quite sure you know why anyone would criticize this. And look, ultimately,
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: what we've been hearing over the past couple of days
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: is you know the government is for tradees and for trainees. Well,
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: ultimately every trade in Australia is a small business, so
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: bring it on. They can spend twenty thousand dollars taking
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: the people that work for them and potential customers out,
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: so certainly bring the trades on into the hospitality businesses
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: around Australia. And absolutely we are desperate for trainees we
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: need trainees in every restaurant, cafe, pub, club, accommodation, hotel,
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: caterer in Australia. So we're very much for this particular
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: potential legislation and we're very proud of the Coalition for
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: putting something up that will be groundbreaking policy about FBT.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Whereas I love the endorsement. Good on you.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Nice to catch up with you again, where thank you
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: very much. Now just be for our head to the break.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: The Heralds as I said, is reporting this afternoon that
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the federal government has put a proposal to the Victorian
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: government to fast track the Melbourne Airport rail link. Now
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that would mean that the Allen Government's hated suburban rail
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: loop project would be paused. It's understood the proposal was
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: discussed when the Federal Infrastructure Minister Catherine King met with
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the Victorian premier this week. We'll keep an eye on that.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It's good news if that story is correct. Now, coming
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: up after the break, the latest on President Donald Trump's
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: will win first week back in the White House, plus
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: feeding up and issues are warning over diversity hires. That's
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: coming up a little later with our panel.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Coming up the panel, Joe Hildebrand and Amanda Rose. Now,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: it's been a massive week in the US. Donald Trump
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: has wasted no time shaking things up. That's his personality,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: an extraordinary to watch. He's used and address though overnight
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: to the World Economic Forum. I wouldn't have thought they
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: were his natural audience in Davos, Switzerland. To make sure
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: everyone knows that his approach is America first.
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: My message to every business in the world is very simple.
• 34:19
  Speaker 10: Come make your product in America, and we will give
• 34:21
  Speaker 10: you among the lowest taxes of any nation on Earth.
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: We're bringing them down very substantially, even from the original
• 34:29
  Speaker 10: Trump tax cuts.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But if you don't make.
• 34:32
  Speaker 10: Your product in America, which is your prerogative, then very simply,
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: you will have to pay a tariff.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: He is such a deal maker.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Joining me now our Media Research Center analyst Bill Agostino, Bill,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: there's no holding him back. He's pretty blunt. If you
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: want to make things here, we'll make it easy for you.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: If you don't want to whack tariffs on your products.
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: Right, Yeah, definitely being very trumpy in that clip, for sure.
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: I think that part of that is also him dialing
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: it up to eleven because he's at the World Economic Forum, which,
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: as you pointed out, is not exactly his audience. But look,
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: this is this is basically what I think all of
• 35:13
  Speaker 11: the all of the heads of state that were present
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: there sort of expected when they saw that Trump had
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: been elected. And I imagine that the various trade ministers
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: and everybody who's going to be involved in brokering deals
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: with the United States has has been preparing for this
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: moment for a couple of months now, and so I
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: don't think anybody's caught flat footed by this kind of announcement.
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: But it's it's certainly a pretty bellicose way for him
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: to be conducting himself on the world stage. I understand
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: that he's trying to project strength, but these are also
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: strategic allies, many of whom he's talking to, So it's,
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: you know, he's walking a bit of a tight rope there,
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: and I'm not sure he's walking in the most graceful
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: way one would hope.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Wellustralia's pretty relaxed because we don't actually make anything anymore. Bill,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about this birth right issue. I mean, I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: know quite understand it in Australia. If you are born
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: here and your parents were for example, illegal immigrants. You
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: don't automatically get to become an Australian. But under the
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: American Constitution, and I think this happened during the slavery years,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: that does happen. Now you got this judge in Seattle going,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: hang on a minute, when not going to in this state,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Washington state?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Actually do that? Is Trump? Is he going to get
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: himself int a bit of trouble with this?
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: I don't think so, to be honest. The conflict over
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: birthright citizenship really start in the eighties, actually before then.
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: The way it was written in the fourteenth Amendment of
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: the Constitution was that anybody born or naturalized in the
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof was conferred citizenship,
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: which meant, in other words, that passage in the middle
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: there essentially meant you had to be legally present or
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: at least authorized to be there in order to or
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: at least your parents did, in order to be conferred
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: citizenship just by being on American soil and getting citizenship.
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: So that changed in nineteen eighty two with a Supreme
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: Court decision where Justice Brennan actually kind of modified that
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: in just in a footnote in his decision and basically said, well,
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: there's no real distinction whether you're authorized or unauthorized to
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: be here. Everybody gets citizenship if they're born here. And
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: so that's been a point of contention since then. And
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: the Trump administration knew that this was going to be
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: overturned by the first judge that it came in front of.
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: And really the whole point of this is to the
• 37:38
  Speaker 11: best way I've heard it described is effectively airmail it
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: to our Supreme Court and place it on their laps,
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: because this is going to force them to rule with
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: a lot more finality on it whether this is actually
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: their vision for how citizenship is supposed to be conferred.
• 37:52
  Speaker 11: So I think that both sides of this argument are
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: fully expecting it to end up in the Supreme Court
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: and we'll see where it goes from there.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: It's been a fascinating work, has no doubt about it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: He knows how to capture the world's attention. Bill Thank
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: you very much for that. We'll catch up with you soon.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break, the historic tourist attraction.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: You won't believe this puffing Billy has decided it's going
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: to snub Australia. Day plus Peter Dunton issues a warning
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: over diversity higher policies. We'll find out what he's concerned
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: about with our panel. Next Welcome back, big treat for you.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Rowan Dean coming up after us at the top of
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: the hour. It is Friday night though we have our
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: great panel small business woman Australia CEO Amanda Rose and
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand. So good to see you
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  Speaker 2: both again. Sadly we've got to get back into this
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  Speaker 2: Australia Day debate. I want to ask you in a
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  Speaker 2: moment a question about whether Australia is the greatest country
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  Speaker 2: on Earth, as every politician who had a mic in
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  Speaker 2: front of them today was saying. But I want to
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  Speaker 2: start with you, Joe, because you're a kid who grew
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  Speaker 2: up in dan and Onng. You strike me as the
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  Speaker 2: sort of kid whose parents would have taken you to
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  Speaker 2: the Dandenong Ranges and stuck you on the puffing Billy
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  Speaker 2: train and choofing through them through the hills. Explain to
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  Speaker 2: the great audience Australia White who have no idea what
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  Speaker 2: puffing Billy is, what it is, and will then tell
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  Speaker 2: them what the organizers of this tourist attraction have had
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  Speaker 2: to say about Australia Day.
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  Speaker 12: What is absolutely it's a tiny little steam train. It
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  Speaker 12: runs from Belgrave to Emerald in the Danning Kong's which
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  Speaker 12: is the very nice, hilly, green, leafy part of out
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  Speaker 12: in Melbourne, as opposed to Danyong singular, which is the
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  Speaker 12: very flat, gray concrete jungle that I grew up in.
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  Speaker 12: And we've actually got family, our cousins live in the mountains.
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  Speaker 12: But it's often a very sort of hippie, trippy, sort
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  Speaker 12: of progressive community, very much the sort of people who
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  Speaker 12: sort of want to get back to nature, the sort
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  Speaker 12: of people who like to commune with spirits or whatever.
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  Speaker 12: And of course the first people who are going to be,
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  Speaker 12: you know, appalled by the idea that Australia Day exists,
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  Speaker 12: because you know it's terribly offensive to Indigenous people and
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  Speaker 12: you know this can't possibly be allowed to stand. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 12: there's also a great train race where people would run
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  Speaker 12: against Puffing Billy for about thirteen k and if you
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  Speaker 12: can see if you could beat.
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  Speaker 1: The train, and I think the train. The train has actually.
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  Speaker 12: Been beaten, I think in this debate because there is
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  Speaker 12: a massive, massive swing and a number of polls, including
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  Speaker 12: one on the front page of the City Morning Herald,
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  Speaker 12: a poll that the News Court papers did a couple
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  Speaker 12: of weeks ago, and others. Poll after Pole is showing
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  Speaker 12: a huge ground swell of support for Australia Day. And
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  Speaker 12: I think ever since, I think the defeat of The Voice,
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  Speaker 12: which I supported, but I can see why I lost,
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  Speaker 12: and the election of Donald Trump, people I think have
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  Speaker 12: live and say, well, hang on, maybe this isn't all
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  Speaker 12: just inevitable. Maybe this isn't some new kind of world
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  Speaker 12: order where we all have to toe the line.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we can say what we really feel.
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  Speaker 12: And you are seeing, even among young people, support for
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  Speaker 12: Australia Day skyrocketing by ten percent, one Pole found, and
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  Speaker 12: now a solid two thirds of people fully support it
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  Speaker 12: and the rest are.
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  Speaker 1: Divided between not caring or being opposed to it.
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  Speaker 12: So it'll be interesting to see how committed these companies
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  Speaker 12: and organizations are to their principles when their profits suddenly
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  Speaker 12: come under threat by people deciding that they don't want
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  Speaker 12: to frequent them.
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  Speaker 2: Give me a break, now, Amanda, you won't believe that
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  Speaker 2: the CEO of this dinky train said quote.
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  Speaker 1: This date is.
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  Speaker 2: A painful reminder of colonization and its lasting impacts with
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  Speaker 2: respect for the enduring history of First Nations. People's Puffing
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  Speaker 2: Billy Railway does not celebrate Australia Day. Amanda, have a
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  Speaker 2: guess where the steam engine from Puffing Billy was constructed
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  Speaker 2: in the UK in eighteen thirteen. It wouldn't be here
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  Speaker 2: if we hadn't been colonized.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: Look, my rule is if you don't if you're a
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  Speaker 13: business and you don't support Australia Day, you don't open
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  Speaker 13: on that day. You cannot profit off people. And so
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  Speaker 13: I'm going to take your money, even put a surcharge
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  Speaker 13: because it's a public holiday. You cannot profit off the people.
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  Speaker 13: And at the same time say this day's a disgrace.
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  Speaker 13: I don't want to support it. It's fine that you
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  Speaker 13: don't want to, but you shut down your business and
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  Speaker 13: you have to pay the consequences of the choices that
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  Speaker 13: you've made.
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  Speaker 1: I love your optimism. I can't see that happening, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you and Amanda just briefly a
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  Speaker 2: serious question. Every politician that I asked about this is, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, austral today, we live in the greatest country
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  Speaker 2: in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Do we.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I love Australia. I think it's a great
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  Speaker 2: place to be and I've never lived overseas, but I've
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  Speaker 2: been to Japan twelve times. I reckon the Japanese are
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  Speaker 2: pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I love Italy.
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  Speaker 2: Think if someone gave me a house in Italy, I'll
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  Speaker 2: go and live there next tomorrow. I mean, we're one
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  Speaker 2: of the highest tax countries in the world. We pay
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  Speaker 2: more income tax than anyone else. And everyone works, works, works,
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  Speaker 2: every day of the week in Italy. Everyone knocks off
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  Speaker 2: at two o'clock, an out and theon has asleep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look there.
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  Speaker 12: I think most people think that their country is the
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  Speaker 12: greatest in the world. I certainly think that Australia is
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  Speaker 12: the greatest in the world. I don't necessarily feel proud.
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  Speaker 12: I didn'toose, I didn't choose to get born here, but
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  Speaker 12: I'm so lucky and so grateful. I'm reminded that there
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  Speaker 12: was a great exchange between years ago. I had an
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  Speaker 12: exchange between a French politician and an English politician, and
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  Speaker 12: the French politician said, if I wasn't a Frenchman, I
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  Speaker 12: would want to be an Englishman. And the English politician said,
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  Speaker 12: that's interesting because if I wasn't an Englishman, I would
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  Speaker 12: also want to be an Englishman. So I think that
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  Speaker 12: tells everything you need to know about how people feel
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  Speaker 12: about their country.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm very happy to stay for it.
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  Speaker 2: I suspect that Englishman was Boris Johnson, Amanda. Are we
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  Speaker 2: the greatest country in the world?
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  Speaker 13: Yes we are, and depending on who wins the next
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  Speaker 13: federal election, we could lose that title because if you
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  Speaker 13: look at the family's small business and what makes Australia great,
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  Speaker 13: that's been dying off of the past ever since the
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  Speaker 13: lockdown's actually of COVID, we've been suffering. So with Trump
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  Speaker 13: in in America, there's a chance that they might actually
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  Speaker 13: overtake Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's talked about the Golden century of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: We used to also, as Australians, be very polite tennis supporters.
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  Speaker 2: If you were at the actual Australian Open or any
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  Speaker 2: tennis you had to sit there quietly like a little mouse.
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  Speaker 2: And if you wanted to go out and get a beer,
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  Speaker 2: you had to wait between the turn of change of
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  Speaker 2: ends and then you had to queue up to get
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  Speaker 2: back in. That all seems to have gone out the window.
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  Speaker 2: Novak Djokovic today had to pull out of his match
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  Speaker 2: because of injury. Have a look what happened when he
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  Speaker 2: announced that that was going to happen, believing.
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  Speaker 11: Is out of chance and unfortunately chuse the injury as
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  Speaker 11: Jocovni can no longer want to leave their name yet.
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  Speaker 1: And I started booing him, Joe, what's that about, Nazi.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like booing at all.
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  Speaker 12: I don't like it when we boo public figures who
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  Speaker 12: rock up at football games, and I certainly don't like
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  Speaker 12: it when we boo athletes. Obviously, Novak's got a pretty
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  Speaker 12: checkered relationship with the Australian Open despite having one more
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  Speaker 12: of them than any other human being on Earth. And
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  Speaker 12: I think Victorians have a pretty sort of weird relationship
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  Speaker 12: with him. I think they're still a bit kind of indoctrinated.
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  Speaker 12: I think there's still I think that the lockdowns have
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  Speaker 12: done something to their done something to them that's just
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  Speaker 12: sort of broken them. And so yeah, to Boot and Nova,
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  Speaker 12: I think it's pretty ugly. But I think Australia we
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  Speaker 12: have this idea of ourselves as this kind of alaric
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  Speaker 12: and nation, when in fact, as you say, we're actually
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  Speaker 12: a nation of really sort of conscientious Laura Biders, and
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  Speaker 12: we have this idea of ourselves as sort of these
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  Speaker 12: you know, the great sort of outback pioneer, where in
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  Speaker 12: fact most of us live in cities. And I think
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  Speaker 12: in the twenty first century, where we are all constantly
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  Speaker 12: able to do or say or express ourselves wherever we want,
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  Speaker 12: we're kind of finding out who we are as a nation.
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  Speaker 12: Jennifer Westercott made that point that I think we do
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  Speaker 12: need to try and make sure we're a pretty nice one.
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  Speaker 13: I think that's just massive hmantacy here from the people,
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  Speaker 13: because don't forget, they're all billing him. They're all going
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  Speaker 13: to watch him and they boo him. They never wanted
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  Speaker 13: him in the country when they had lockdowns because he
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  Speaker 13: wouldn't get vaccinated. They hated on him, they were abusive,
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  Speaker 13: and anyone supported him. And now all of a sudden
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  Speaker 13: they want to come and watch him and then bow
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  Speaker 13: him because he's got an injury. I mean, the fickleness
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  Speaker 13: and hypocrisy of people's astounding.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched him on last night, was lucky enough
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  Speaker 2: to be there last Sunday night. He's a hell of
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  Speaker 2: a tennis player. He's won ten Australian Opens and was
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  Speaker 2: going for a record eleventh. One of the nice things
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  Speaker 2: that happened underneath in the background at the Australian Open
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  Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours, Margaret Court, who won twenty
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  Speaker 2: four Grand Slam matches herself titles herself, never been introduced
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  Speaker 2: to Djokovic and ran into him in a corridor. Djokovic
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  Speaker 2: came up, gave her a bit of a hug and
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  Speaker 2: a kiss on the cheek and told her how much
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  Speaker 2: he admired her. So I think he wins a few
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  Speaker 2: Brownie points for that. Let's talking about Oh, I know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, don't bring the war up. Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has warned Amanda that people are fed up
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  Speaker 2: with diversity hires. He was on Mark Morris's Straight Talk podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of what he had to say.
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  Speaker 14: A lot of young males feel disenfranchised and feel ostracized,
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  Speaker 14: and the same way. I have nothing but respect for women,
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  Speaker 14: and I would never treat my female friends differently than
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  Speaker 14: my male friends. But I'm being told that I'm some
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  Speaker 14: sort of ogre or I have some belief structure which
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  Speaker 14: is true to that which I know is what I
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  Speaker 14: hold in my heart, Amanda.
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  Speaker 13: Your reaction, well, I think what he's talking about is
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  Speaker 13: how people you talk toxic masculinity when true masculinity is
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  Speaker 13: actually a strong, kind, compassionate human being. But when it
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  Speaker 13: comes to diversity higher we need to remember that before
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  Speaker 13: women were in the workplace and starting their own business,
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  Speaker 13: blokes gave their friends, cousins, friends, you know, sons a job.
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  Speaker 13: It was like a boys club. And now women have
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  Speaker 13: come up and they want leadership positions, and now they're
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  Speaker 13: talking about merit based.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 13: I'm all for merit based. So if we actually did
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  Speaker 13: put a blindfold on someone, so just hire people based
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  Speaker 13: on merit, I guarantee half the blokes that are in
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  Speaker 13: the positions right now, it wouldn't be in the positions
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  Speaker 13: right it'd be.
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  Speaker 1: Just I reckon. That's a.
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  Speaker 2: Very sensible Merit promotions is a way to go. Joe
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  Speaker 2: and Amanda, all was a great pleasure to catch up
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  Speaker 2: with you both.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: A special treat for everyone and your program after me,
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  Speaker 2: and it's right up now.