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Jalen Hurts & Eagles Struggle vs. Rams, Josh Allen Melts Down + The Fever's Fan issue | 10.05 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is a lot of NFL to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: We'll also get to that one thing I said I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't going to talk about no more, but it got
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  Speaker 1: interesting again. But anyway, Ryan looked at me terrified when
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned that, like you did not know that I
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  Speaker 1: had planned for us to talk about that one thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like, That one thing could be lots of things, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: You know the one I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I do know the one you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: But it'll be cool. It'll be cool. You know, like
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  Speaker 1: every now and then I got to change my mind
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  Speaker 1: about something. I'm sure nobody's going to like it. But
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  Speaker 1: you know what? I'm going to do it anyway. Speaking
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  Speaker 1: of nobody liking it, I'm here to talk to you
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  Speaker 1: Rams fans and Eagles fans. You didn't like that, did you?
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  Speaker 1: I mean... The Rams won. You certainly like to win, right?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to lose. Good for you, Rams. You have
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  Speaker 1: to feel better about that. But I just want to
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  Speaker 1: throw out there that three-time Pro Bowl quarterback, Matthew Stafford,
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  Speaker 1: he's doing those Stafford-y things. I don't know. He does
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  Speaker 1: Stafford-y things. When he is on, he is on. And
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  Speaker 1: by the way, he brought it home at the end
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  Speaker 1: in a way that's going to become very relevant to
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  Speaker 1: our discussion a little bit later. But man, he was
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  Speaker 1: out there on some Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. We'll get to
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  Speaker 1: the king of Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Josh Allen, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit later. But for right now, that was... The interceptions
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  Speaker 1: that he threw in that game were bad. Like, that
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  Speaker 1: was a game that the weather was such that everybody
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  Speaker 1: has an excuse for whatever they want the excuse to be. Because, duh,
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to throw a football in the rain. You're
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  Speaker 1: playing on the road. It's a one o'clock kick. All
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  Speaker 1: of those things. But three-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matthew Stafford
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  Speaker 1: is always going to give you a chance to take one.
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  Speaker 1: He gave them at least two. At least. Right? The
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  Speaker 1: other thing about that game, though, and this is where, Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: I think you'd agree, the Eagles are, I think, a
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  Speaker 1: far more interesting situation coming out of that game. Like Rams,
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  Speaker 1: you got to win. Aaron Donald couldn't play because, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, we just kind of, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: forgot is the right word, but I guess ignored would
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  Speaker 1: probably be fine. Aaron Donald, oh, dog. I think I
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  Speaker 1: told you the other day I was watching a game
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  Speaker 1: and they referred to Jadeveon Cloudy as the old veteran.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's same draft class that we're talking about there, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like that's an old guy who hadn't played in a
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  Speaker 1: couple years. Ryan didn't even put him on a plane.
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  Speaker 2: No, didn't even take him to Philly.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. So he's old. Miles Garrett
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  Speaker 1: is not playing. This is just not what anybody thought
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  Speaker 1: it was going to be coming into this season. Puka
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  Speaker 1: back from being hurt, and you know he's going to
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  Speaker 1: get hurt again because he just liked that. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I honestly don't know how he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to wear a helmet just walking around on the street.
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  Speaker 1: Just one red or something that y'all scratched up on
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  Speaker 1: the top of it. You know what I mean? Just
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  Speaker 1: on the streets. Just in case he gets the urge
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  Speaker 1: to do some dumb shit. I just don't know why
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  Speaker 1: they don't do that just to play it safe.
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  Speaker 2: You don't think they put him in that helmet when
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  Speaker 2: he goes on those podcasts and says those things that
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  Speaker 2: he likes to say?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, I'll tell you this, though. He would have
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  Speaker 1: got some help. He would have looked into some things,
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  Speaker 1: so perhaps that will change his outlook.
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  Speaker 2: I hope so.
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  Speaker 1: The Rams really hope so. Right. But the Eagles. Number one,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan and I have talked about this. As far as
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  Speaker 1: I can tell, and we live in a city with
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  Speaker 1: a metro area of what, 20, 25 million people?
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  Speaker 2: Somewhere around there.
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  Speaker 1: There is no more robust economy of Former players, fans,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, talking about a team like there is
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  Speaker 1: around the Eagles. Like, they feel like, what if Alabama
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  Speaker 1: was in, like, Philadelphia? Right? Like, it's not quite as...
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  Speaker 1: Their standards aren't as high. Obviously, the Eagles are still
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  Speaker 1: a little bit happier just to be there. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as I've learned, like, the internet is a place that
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  Speaker 1: people go to be unhappy. And... I don't feel like
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  Speaker 1: you stay in Philadelphia because you don't like being mad.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like this is just what they do.
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  Speaker 2: That is about their cruising altitude all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of a steady level of... They seem like...
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  Speaker 1: What's the thing about people? They say about people in
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  Speaker 1: the North that they are not nice, but they are kind.
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  Speaker 1: People in the South are nice, but they are not kind. Like,
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  Speaker 1: they seem to be very kind-hearted people, and if you
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  Speaker 1: needed some help or whatever, they'd come do something for you.
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  Speaker 1: I personally learned a lot about Philly and have nice
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  Speaker 1: things to say about it because in the opening scene
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  Speaker 1: of Rocky, Rocky listened to Summer Madness by cooling the gang. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I think those people are probably cooler
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  Speaker 1: than they get credit for. But did I send you
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  Speaker 1: that clip of the news broadcast with the fans?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of them Philly stations. And the news
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  Speaker 1: went to talk after the game, right? And it may
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  Speaker 1: have been the station that the game was on, right?
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  Speaker 1: So they're immediately rolling the Eagles content.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. That woman was on the mic you would have
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  Speaker 1: thought that the federal building had got blowed up. Like,
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  Speaker 1: there was just a level of sadness in her tone,
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  Speaker 1: and then she gets to talking to the people, and
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  Speaker 1: they just can't wait to get on TV and just
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  Speaker 1: talk about how mad and sad they are about what
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  Speaker 1: it is that the Eagles did or did not do
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  Speaker 1: in the course of that game, right? And look, it
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  Speaker 1: comes back to Hurts, and I feel bad for Hurts
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  Speaker 1: in this sense. Hurts is the appropriate term because apparently
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  Speaker 1: playing for the Eagles really hurts because everybody's hurt. Except
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  Speaker 1: for Lane Johnson. He just, some came up. Yeah. He
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  Speaker 1: couldn't play.
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  Speaker 3: Right? Right.
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  Speaker 1: But everybody's hurt. Saquon Barkley, you get out there, another guy,
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  Speaker 1: sneaky old Saquon Barkley. He gets out there, he pulls
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  Speaker 1: his hamstring. So he's out of there. Devontae Smith, he
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  Speaker 1: gets hurt. They were throwing passes to gentlemen with whom
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  Speaker 1: I am not really that familiar. I know who Zach
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  Speaker 1: Ertz is, and that's part of the problem. Because he's
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  Speaker 1: been playing for 40 years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a Cooper, a Lemon, and a Wicks.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Now, that being said, people who are filmy
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  Speaker 1: will tell you that Those guys might have been running
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  Speaker 1: around wide open and not receiving passes from Jalen Hurts.
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  Speaker 1: Bottom line is, it's been over 90 minutes of game
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  Speaker 1: play since the Eagles converted a third down.
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  Speaker 2: They had a, they were, it was third down, third
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  Speaker 2: and goal. They were up 10 in the third quarter
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  Speaker 2: and they lost.
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  Speaker 1: How does this happen? Did you see that dude down
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  Speaker 1: on the show with Acho and them losing his ever-loving
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  Speaker 1: mind talking about the Eagles?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: But the point that he made was their average starting
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  Speaker 1: position on their scoring drives was the plus 26. Right?
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  Speaker 1: I remember looking up at a point in the game,
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  Speaker 1: and it was two turnovers and no points off of
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  Speaker 1: the turnovers, I think was what it said. Right. You
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  Speaker 1: got to get a third down. I don't care how
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  Speaker 1: bad everything is around you. Your quarterback should be capable.
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  Speaker 1: Your quarterback who can run, by the way, should be
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  Speaker 1: capable of getting you one. One would think. That's not,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not, I don't feel comfortable blaming Hertz for what
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  Speaker 1: didn't happen because there was so much that was going on. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say that there was great room for
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  Speaker 1: him to play better. He didn't have to play a
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  Speaker 1: lot better. a little better would have done it. And
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  Speaker 1: if he had played a little better, it still would
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  Speaker 1: have been bad. But he could have played a little
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  Speaker 1: better and they could have won the game, right? And
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  Speaker 1: he didn't. And part of that is because there's a
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  Speaker 1: limitation to how good he is. Now, if every, again,
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  Speaker 1: every team that I've watched him be successful with had
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  Speaker 1: one thing in common. Everybody else was better than him
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  Speaker 1: or at the very least as good, right? Like I
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  Speaker 1: watched him play with them Alabama teams. I watched him
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  Speaker 1: play with Oklahoma. Those squads were loaded. Not everybody can
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  Speaker 1: do this. If you give him a loaded team, he
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  Speaker 1: can help you get to loaded results. But we also
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  Speaker 1: saw 2017 where you gave him a loaded team where
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  Speaker 1: Devontae Smith is the number three receiver and Jalen Waddell
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  Speaker 1: is the number four and had to bench him at halftime.
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  Speaker 1: In this game, Your quarterback that makes money like he's
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback should at the very least get you a
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  Speaker 1: third down. That's all we're asking for here is a
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  Speaker 1: third down conversion. And he can't do that, right? Now, again,
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  Speaker 1: their line is not what it was, dot, dot, dot,
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  Speaker 1: everything else. But they have a quarterback. Here's what you
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  Speaker 1: can't do with him. Overcome. Right. You could perhaps execute.
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  Speaker 1: But you cannot overcome.
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  Speaker 2: And it's obvious you can't overcome.
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  Speaker 1: For better or worse.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: For better or worse, he cannot overcome. And this is
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  Speaker 1: a team that right now looks like they need a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback that can occasionally help you overcome. And they don't
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  Speaker 1: have that. Now, to be fair to them, I say
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  Speaker 1: that I don't think anybody came out of that game
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  Speaker 1: feeling good. Ryan, I ask you this question sincerely. Let's
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  Speaker 1: just stick with the NFC for now. Who feels good?
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  Speaker 2: The 49ers.
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  Speaker 1: I do think they feel good, though. They were not great.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: That's the first time they played a real live NFL team. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't... Well, no. They played the Rams, but
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  Speaker 1: the Rams.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not in America.
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  Speaker 1: The Rams made horrible decisions along the way.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the Seahawks don't feel bad.
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  Speaker 2: The Bears feel good.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. But, yeah, they're 3-1, and they don't have their quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, three wins with three different starting QBs.
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  Speaker 1: That is correct. They feel good, and, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know the Giants feel good. But they have to.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, similar on that... That team, I texted you,
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  Speaker 2: we're never going to have a good football team in
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  Speaker 2: the city.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, the Giants is like, it's like if you looked
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  Speaker 1: in your bank account and there was money there that
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  Speaker 1: you knew wasn't supposed to be there. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? Like, you can spend it if you want.
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  Speaker 1: But you might go to jail for that.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, hey, you know that's not your money. Right. Who
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  Speaker 1: knows that? Also, I don't know if you saw this.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know Camp Scataboo is doing commercials for the
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  Speaker 1: Farmer's Dog?
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  Speaker 2: I did not know that.
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  Speaker 1: And so if you don't know what the Farmer's Dog is,
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  Speaker 1: the Farmer's Dog is a dog food company. And it's
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  Speaker 1: like high-end dog food. Yes. You know, like it's craft
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  Speaker 1: dog food. Is that what we're looking for?
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  Speaker 2: Organic dog food.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: This is where we are. And it's Scataboo with that
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous haircut and it's showing him feeding the dogs and
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  Speaker 1: he's down and he's, you know, playing with the dogs
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  Speaker 1: and mushing their hair and their fur and all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. And I watched that and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's not getting any sleep in North Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: That dude is in North Jersey. Putting in work.
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  Speaker 2: Having a great time.
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  Speaker 1: He's at the dog park. Just watch what happens. Watch
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  Speaker 1: what happens. Not even playing fair. No chance. Shout out
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  Speaker 1: to you, Dallas Cowboys. Because it was about to be
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  Speaker 1: real ugly. They lost that game. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about QBs who teams that don't feel good. The
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  Speaker 2: Houston Texans, 0-4.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to that, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you who really doesn't feel good. I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you this. I don't know who watched Sunday Night Football,
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  Speaker 1: but it was layup lines for America's team, the Detroit Lions. Like,
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  Speaker 1: after the game, they were talking to Campbell about whether
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  Speaker 1: or not he would consider making a move off Kelvin Shepard,
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  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. What? What's that going to change? Their
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  Speaker 1: problem is their defensive backfield is me, Ryan, and a
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  Speaker 1: couple of y'all. They are down four safeties. They are
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  Speaker 1: on their number five and six safeties. They're on the
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  Speaker 1: last line of defense of their last line of defense.
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  Speaker 1: And the corners aren't good.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So let's start there. And Collinsworth was talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: Like they want to play man to man. They know
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  Speaker 1: they can't play man to man. They went to zone.
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  Speaker 1: The dudes can't play zone. So they're just like, fuck it.
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  Speaker 1: We might as well play man to man. That's what
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  Speaker 1: we're trying to do. Except the problem is they can't
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  Speaker 1: play man to man. This is, woo.
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  Speaker 6: This.
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  Speaker 1: I chose this life. You opted in. I opted in
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  Speaker 1: with no, like, obvious reason why one would opt in.
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  Speaker 1: But I did opt in. And that was tough, man.
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  Speaker 1: That was demoralizing. I think that's the worst part about it.
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  Speaker 1: Bryce Young, a.k.a. the little homie, somebody sent me a
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  Speaker 1: text and was like, yo, so is Bryce Young good?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. He's got to play it against a
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  Speaker 1: high school secondary out there. I mean, the little homie,
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  Speaker 1: I say, we will say this from infamously when I
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  Speaker 1: said His first or second year, the little homie's doing
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  Speaker 1: the best he can. The little homie's doing the best
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  Speaker 1: he can, and the best he can is better than
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  Speaker 1: we thought it would be. We're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: kind of adjust the way we look at it when
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  Speaker 1: these guys have awful rookie years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he got benched for Andy Dalton.
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  Speaker 1: In year two. In year two. And this is him
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  Speaker 1: being the quarterback that the owner drafted, basically. Right. He's
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  Speaker 1: turned it around, right? Good for him. They're showing him
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  Speaker 1: in the pocket. He's doing them tricks that the little
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  Speaker 1: homies be doing, standing on his toes and all this
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  Speaker 1: stuff to try to figure it out. He's manufactured this,
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  Speaker 1: but they didn't enjoy watching that game at all. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I got. I didn't like how it felt. Oh, shit.
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't. Packers don't feel good either, even though
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  Speaker 1: they won that game. No. I mean, they barely beat
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  Speaker 1: a team with a quarterback Hey, okay, so this is,
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  Speaker 1: I know I've seen people in the comments that when
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  Speaker 1: I say the team must not be good because I
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  Speaker 1: ain't never heard of any of the players. Guys, I
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  Speaker 1: do do this for a fucking living, okay? If it's
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  Speaker 1: at the point where your name has never come up anywhere,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay for me to say, I got a feeling
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  Speaker 1: those guys aren't really that good. No. Right? It's never
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  Speaker 1: come up at all. None of you, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: is there a certain arrogance to that? No, because this
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  Speaker 1: is like, I don't know what you think about me
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  Speaker 1: as a practitioner of my craft. I promise you, I
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  Speaker 1: try to keep up. Right. But when we got black
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks starting in the NFL that I've never heard of, shit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who, am I not doing my professional duty?
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  Speaker 1: Am I not doing my personal duty? I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it is, but they got a brother named Jalen, Jalen,
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  Speaker 1: not to be convinced who Jalen, Jalen Daniels. He went
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  Speaker 1: to Kansas. He played for Tampa Bay and the Packers
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  Speaker 1: beat them by three. And, uh, Packers had an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to move off the coach last year. They didn't, and
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  Speaker 1: they chose to re-up, and I think they're going to
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  Speaker 1: regret that. Now, part of this, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: much of it is coaching when you literally can't block. Right.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: For that, I do not have an answer. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to say one last thing about a team that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: feel good, that I don't think feels good, and that
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  Speaker 1: is the 4-0 Minnesota Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I was going to say that was a team
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  Speaker 2: that should feel good. I was going to transition off
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  Speaker 2: them with the Giants in terms of fraud.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, well, okay. The Vikings played the Dolphins, and
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  Speaker 1: I would argue the game was closer than what we'd
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  Speaker 1: prefer for it to be if you are the undefeated team.
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  Speaker 2: Did not score a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: Did not score a touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: This Kyler Murray guy appears to be making a fool
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  Speaker 1: of you, boy. I don't really appreciate that. These other
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  Speaker 1: people didn't stand with you, but I did. in spite
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: of that weird shit that happened that time I met him.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I stood, right? I was like, no, man, this guy
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: got it. I don't really understand why they so down
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: on him down there, the way they acted about it.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: If Sam Darnold can get good, I don't see why
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray can't get good. And I still don't see
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: why Kyler Murray can't get good. I would like him
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: to do it, though, because I got news for you, Jack.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: If he doesn't, we put out some social content that's
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: going to bite me in the keister repeatedly. Repeatedly. I
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: learned last week. It's a lot of people waiting for
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: moments like these. And Kyler Murray appears to be playing
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: for an 18. There's two of them in a row.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: First one, like, hey, man, you ain't played in a while.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Then right there, it happened again. Son, I need you
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: to understand this. They have already parked you for Jacoby Brissett,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: which means they will definitely park you for Carson Wentz. Please, please, please.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: They've already seen a little proof of concept.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I have a Kellen O'Connell thought.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Fire away.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: You know how they always refer to these guys as
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: the quarterback whisperer?
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe he needs to speak up.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one thing about the quarterback whisperer. Like, yeah,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: some people need to, like, talk to him. Now, for
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: what it's worth, it was clear that they were not
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: whispering at J.J. McCarthy anymore.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: No.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: They were speaking with their chests when they... Gave him
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the boot. Oh, my God. Before they gave him the boot.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: All of it. They were just like, we are sick
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of this. Like, what is this? But, yeah, I need.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: For the Vikings to really have a chance to win
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Because here's what the Vikings are going
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to be susceptible to is, they're going to give up
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: some big plays every now and then because they're blitzing 80%
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: of the time or 70% of the time, whatever it is.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Which is not what you do when you're actually good.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, except they kind of are, right? Every now and then,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: something big is going to happen. They're going to give
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: up a 53-yard run in this game, for example. And
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: every now and then, the 85 Bears had a game
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: where they need to score some points. Right. Right. They're
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: going to need to score some points and nine yards
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: of completion. That's not. No. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: not going to do. Okay. I feel like, I don't
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: know why I waited so long into the show to
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: get here, but Sunday was another Nick Wright special.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Right? His birthday was over the weekend, and he got
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: another bad Justin Herbert game, which, again, is another situation of,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: but they can't block.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Right. Right?
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And I am not the excuse Justin Herbert for everything,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: but I think it was fair to mention with Hurts
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: who wasn't playing. Everybody got hurt this week, it felt like.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: But they're not doing a lot of blocking. For him.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Let's throw it out there. But he still stunk. And, oh, boy,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Time machine. Yes. This is the– this is
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: throwing it up to the square body in the playoffs.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: You'll never move on from that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: No.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: No.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: And apparently neither will he. He threw two of the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: craziest passes I've ever seen in this game. One of them.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Did you see where they had him near the goal
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: line and he just backhand flipped that shit? Yeah. How
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: was that not intentional grounding? It had to be intentional
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: grounding or fumble the only argument on how it wasn't
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: intentional grounding is if it was a fumble otherwise what
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: are we that's the conspiracy theory right there it's all
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: fakes josh allen it's if It's not his fault. It's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: not his fault. But y'all know what y'all doing. And
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: when I say y'all, I mean it in italics. Y'all
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: know what y'all doing. They still call him an MVP.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: We still talking that. Remember how ready everybody was to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: make him the best quarterback in the league and everything else?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Are they still saying that now? I'm asking that sincerely
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: because it feels like a fluid situation.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I bet he is the betting favorite.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Ah, ah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I know who I got as the betting favorite, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about him in a minute.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: But, um.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: The Patriots, the Patriots, I don't know if save their
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: season is the right way to put it, but I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: think save their season is the right way to put it.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: They got a good half out of Drake May. Right.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: And that interception Josh Allen threw at the end. Okay.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Where he just heaved it. Just one minute left. They
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: got all their timeouts. He just threw it up there.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Did he forget what color his team was wearing? Right.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: There's two white shirts over there. Absolutely no need. Full
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: on ridiculous. Why are you doing this? And look, they've
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: cast their lot on the idea that we're just going
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to live with Josh Allen and whatever he does. But
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that's not I don't think that's what they're talking about.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Like the idea isn't, and every now and then be
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a moron. The idea is every now and then take
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: some chances because you can do superhuman things. That was
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: not an example of like, I just have so much
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: faith in my arm. That was a freak out. And
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: what he does do, and this is something I don't
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: believe that people can change if they got it in them.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Every now and then he's going to freak out. Every
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: now and then he's going to throw it up there
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to the square body. That's why the square body comes up.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: It was some of our first evidence that he's that guy.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: That was about, what, five, six years ago?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: It was 2019. So six and a half.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. But he's that guy. What guy? That guy. You
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: saw it, right? This is going to be the fun
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: part of the year because they fully decided that that's
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: what they're going to do. But he's going to do that, right?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: That was, whew. I also saw something, too, where the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Bills were like, the defense has got to get used
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to the fact that the stadium's so loud. Don't say
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that out loud, big dog.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Don't, don't, don't.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Don't do that. Don't do that. Keep that to yourself.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a don't telling yourself.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: Shh.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But no, the Patriots, yeah, I think it's fair to say,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Patriots saved their season. Yes. Did you watch much of
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Chiefs Raiders?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, I had that on.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I watched the vast majority of it. I popped in
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: every now and then to San Francisco. Damn, there goes
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: San Francisco. Didn't get around to talking about them again.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: But we can now and say Denver, not feeling good.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. Not feeling good because they did a good
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: enough job defensively that, If your quarterback is what people
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: keep telling me their quarterback is, they should have had
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a chance to win that game, and I don't really
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: ever feel like they truly had a chance to win
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that game. Also, hot take that I just thought about
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: as I saw it in that game with that big
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: play Kittle made at the end, and I've said this
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: for years, just throwing it out there. If you gave
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: me the choice of Kelsey and Kittle, I have always
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: been on give me Kittle every single time.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's. Kelsey is a bit closer to
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the Jason Witten end of things. And I feel like
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Kittle is a little closer to Antonio Gates. Big play guy.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Better blocker. Kelsey is very good. Yes. I'm not calling
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: him Jason Witten. He's much better than Jason Witten.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: But.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Kittle's a beast.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Kittle is a beast.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Kittle's been a beast. The big thing I'm saying here
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: is not Travis Kelsey is overrated.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And I've learned people take that word very seriously.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Very seriously. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It's a slur. I had no idea. Overrated is a
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: slur to people. But Kittle is underrated. Yeah. That I
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: have always felt. But anyway... Back to that other team,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Are we going to play the roller coaster?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Then let's do it. My man Keyon is back out
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: there getting it done. Sounds like the problem with Sean
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: McDermott when it came to him. Right? That sounds like
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the issue. But that's going to be a wild ride
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: with Buffalo if this is how it's going to go
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: all year long. Hey, I'm looking forward to watching. But
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: we have gotten back. That's right. Chiefs Raiders. Yes. Sorry
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: about that. I don't know how I would say I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: felt about the Raiders coming out of that game. I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: will say this. They felt to me, and a lot
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: of this is just vibes, and of course a lot
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: of this is you come into the game with your priors.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: You know what it feels like when you're watching a
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: game and you don't think a team is good, and
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: they always have to overcome the fact that you don't
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: think they're good, even though they're getting it done, like
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: they were playing well. You know, right there with the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Chiefs for the vast majority of the game. But then
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: next thing you know, Patrick Mahomes just throws something up
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: soft and high. And you're like, oh, somebody's going to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: catch that. Yes.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: It never felt like the Raiders were going to win.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: But it felt like they were losing in that way
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that they are a team that has gotten better and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: just wasn't quite ready for a game that had the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: stakes that that game had. For sure. They're not frauds,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I guess is the way that I would put it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Their defense looked like fraud. It was pretty good. And
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs weren't getting any pressure. I asked Mina. I
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was like, so what's the issue here? She's like, no,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the Raiders offensive line is good. Yeah. You know, so.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Good for them. On the other side, our guy Mahomes
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: is back, dawg. Now, obviously there are issues on guys
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to throw to, and we had a dislocated ankle situation,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and that guy having a career game. Okay, so you
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: guys know me. I don't do catastrophic injuries. I don't
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: watch them. If there's any way that I can avoid
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: looking at a catastrophic injury, I'm going to absolutely pull
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that off, right? I saw what happened to Thornton in
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: that game. It was wild because he caught it and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: he got up to do his whole first down thing
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and then he looked down and was like, oh shit,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: my ankle is hanging off. What a weird injury. Because
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the last of those catastrophic injuries that I saw like
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: that was Dak Prescott with a dislocated ankle where he
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: made the play and then he's on the ground and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: he's just like... Like, nobody can tell what the issue is. Yeah. Right?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And the same thing happened with Thornton. And the dude's like, yo, yo,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: what's going on? He's like, bro, look at my ankle.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, whoa.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: And I have to say, man, I know you was hurt,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: but don't be telling nobody to look at nothing like that. Like,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I'd have waited.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Even for the people who it's their job?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: After he did that, man, I'd have waited a couple
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of days. And I'd have been like, hey, man. You
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: ain't need to tell me to look at it. All
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you had to do was tell me that it hurt. Like,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: your word was good enough.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: We trust you.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't need no verification. Why I got to look
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: at this? Now they all out there, you know, it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: prayer circle time, right? They locked up. They about to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: get it done. But now the Chiefs are down another guy.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Again. You know who they're about to go get.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: But he's not going to be ready. They're talking about
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: going to get Tyreek, but Tyreek's probably not going to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: be ready for a month.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: At least.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And what's he got left?
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: But Mahomes looks like that guy again.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I do know that. Mahomes is that guy again. We
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit, but the return of
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the enemy. Yes, it matters. That's a big deal. That man,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: talk about going through a lot, by the way. I
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: feel like we have just completely forgotten what his situation is.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Just haven't mentioned it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Look, I ain't the one to tell that man what
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: he should or should not be doing or anything as such.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: But at the same time.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He's out there.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: He's out there. We all cope as we cope. It's funny, though.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: They ain't giving him the Deshaun Watson treatment. No. Like, oh,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: after everything he's been through. And by the way, he's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: been through a lot. It's just an uncomfortable topic. But
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: if you're giving people credit for overcoming adversity, I don't
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: know who's overcoming more of it than he is right now.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I just don't. Anyway, the Chiefs are really good.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: They're really good. Kenneth Walker's really good. Well, that's the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: big one, man.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I am all here for the reinvestment in the bell
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: cow running back. The dude you give the ball to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: who runs through people, who runs around people. There's still,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to me, nothing more entertaining to watch in a football
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: game because the running back that does that is actually,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to me, embodying and doing all the things that are
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: why we're here in the first place. You know, like
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: this precision passion game and basically the idea that the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: star is the coach. Fuck that. The stars are dudes
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: out there. In the running game, that is Jimmy's and Joe's.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: You know, you can talk scheme. You can talk everything else.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: That is a Jimmy's and Joe's situation. Put them out front. Oh, yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Not feeling good about it. Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I think those guys feel good.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Feel good.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Got an important win there over the Cincinnati Bengals. The
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: shockingly best division in the league is the AFC North,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: where every team is over 500. Where the Browns are 3-1. However,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: 3-1 with a minus 14 point differential. You don't see
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that every day.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: No.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: But Lamar Jackson's hurt. And it's a shame because he
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: was Dealing. He is. This old situation with Declan Doyle,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the one who daddy I don't like. Apparently he and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Lamar got something figured out because Lamar's out there dealing.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: And by the way, that boy Snoop Huntley came in
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: there and he was dealing a little bit himself. But dealing. Dealing.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: And Ryan, this actually points out something you were mentioning.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And Doyle is not off that Shanahan-McVeigh tree. He's a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson guy.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: And I don't.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Schematically. I don't really know where Campbell and Johnson stuff
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: stems from like off the top of my head, but
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think they're from that tree. You
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: made a very, you raised an interesting question about the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Eagles off Mike that I think is something that's going
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to be interesting to keep track of with all these teams,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: which was why is it that the Eagles always have
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: like a teenager in As their offensive coordinator.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: A teenager and someone, it's the first time they're doing it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yes. And the answer is, everybody is trying to move
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: into what the future has become in these schemes. They
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: want these Shanahan schemes. They want these McVay schemes. I mean,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I guess Ben Johnson's going to wind up with a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: tree of his to a degree. All those guys are young. Yes.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Like every single one of them is young. McVay, for example,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: clearly has a priority for getting these young guys, which
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I also think is important for these guys who were
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: young coaches. You kind of need people that you could
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: be in charge of. Yes. Like Sean McVay was a
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: head coach at 30. I wouldn't have listened to him
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: at 30. No, of course not. Yeah, why would I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: have done something like that?
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: So many of these teams, it feels like, I mean,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: we need to probably go count it to a degree,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: but they're going to hire these guys like Doyle and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: everybody else because these are the guys that are.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Davis Webb's calling plays for the Broncos.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. These guys are going to be the ones
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: that are like on the vanguard. So they're going to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: be the ones to call the plays. But what that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: also means is these teams are going to have a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: bunch of kids calling plays. How that manifests itself is
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: going to be interesting where everybody has somebody young calling
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the plays. I don't have a great answer for it,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: but I do think that there's something interesting to that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: We're going to have like how many of the teams
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: that matter are we going to get to like in
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the postseason? And you got somebody 31 years old who
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: hasn't really been doing this very long. Because the other
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: thing that happens is with these guys is if they're
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: any good, they become head coaches.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Immediately.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, immediately. You can't keep them. Yeah. Because if people
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: want that scheme, they're like, we want to bring you in. Yeah,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: bring me in as the head coach. And we've seen
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the teams are willing to fire the head coach to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: bring the offensive coordinator that they want if that's what
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: they have to do. You know, that's going to be
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: a thing. You're talking about people not feeling good. The
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Houston Texans, shockingly, 4-0.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, 0-6.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: 0-4.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Yes. Slight difference. Yeah. And Stroud wasn't bad in that game. No.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: That game, they couldn't stop anybody. That's crazy. Their season's over.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: They're cooked. The Titans, look, the Titans was never a thing, okay?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, did you see the thing
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: that happened with Cam Ward? And it doesn't sound like
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it was his fault.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Whatever's going on between him and the media there is
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: super weird.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: You only have a media go that hard at the quarterback,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: let alone the young quarterback on a team that nobody
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: expects to be good, with the consent of either coaching
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: or management. I don't know what they are telling people
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: about him, but I don't know how that turns around.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: He was the number one overall pick last year. The
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: only thing that to me seems to be his saving
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: grace right now Is there a quarterback in this upcoming
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: draft that's so good that you can do a Josh
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Rosen type of situation on him? Because everything about it
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: seems sour. And in a way, again, I don't think
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I've ever felt like I've seen anything like this that
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: felt this hour. And he hasn't been good, but what
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: we were just talking about before with Bryce Young, the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: growth arc on these guys, it feels like we have
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to look at that a little bit differently. Now, he's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a lot older than Bryce Young was.
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But we still, I don't know if we can go
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: about looking at teams.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It's just so wild how hostile it is.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: That's not how. American media works ever.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: No.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Especially not where the teams have so much control over
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the media guys. That's... Now, they did have that one
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: guy that came and asked him that question, and I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: think they took his press pass away from him. But
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: then we saw more stuff come after. Somebody's telling these
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: guys this is okay. And it's interesting because they have
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: an obvious ownership problem with that team. Like, the only
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: thing worse than Bud Adams being your owner is a
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: second-generation Bud Adams situation. And that's what they've got. Like,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: this team doesn't look good. The organization doesn't seem to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: be strong. People around them have been complaining about Amy
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Strzok for as long as I can think of, you know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: since she got there. The quarterback is not, the quarterback
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: may be a reflection of an issue, but their issues
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: are grand and they are giant. And it all seems
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that right now, the face of it is their 20
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: something year old quarterback who, I mean, I don't know.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know what exactly to make of it,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but it's bad.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: It's, and this is the same organization that ran off
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Gave away AJ Brown and said, no, thanks, Derrick Henry.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: When you put it like that. Last thing I'll say
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: before we get out of here, Ryan mentioned this about
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: we'll never have a good football team in this city.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the Jets. They had their first interception
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: in 21 games. And which one of these 30-year-old offensive
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: coordinators are we talking about that's going to be their
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: head coach next year? Because their head coach is not
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: going to be Aaron Glenn.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: The Bears had more first downs than the Jets ran plays.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Tyson Bajent. was the quarterback in that game. But let
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: me tell you about a man that is not comfortable
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: with vulnerable emotions. Did you see the post-game clip of
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: him where, and I get it, like somebody in the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: media was going to the well-worn tale of he's from
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: some little bitty town in West Virginia, and he talked
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: about how important it was to be a guy from
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: West Virginia. And Bajan was like, well, the song is
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: not called West Virginia. He does not seem pleasant. But
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: he's like, the song is not called West Virginia. It's
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: called something else. That's fine, you know, but, you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: As you know, I'm from a little town, from West Virginia, da-da-da.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I will cry if I start talking about this, so
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: don't ask me that again. He said that like twice. Yes. Like,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: don't ask me that again. That man is not prepared
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to cry in front of us.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: No.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: He is absolutely not. That's some hard-scrabble West Virginia shit
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: right there. But it was just, he was so, don't
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: ask me that again. Sorry, buddy. I thought you'd be
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• 38:04
  Speaker 2: and they need to stop, especially with members of the media.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about media who have never been to a game.
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  Speaker 2: At Fieldhouse, every organization in the league, every organization to
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  Speaker 2: which professionals work, All the way down to youth, rec
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  Speaker 2: weeds have to deal with occasional bad behavior from the spectators. Bo,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: what was your reaction to this comment?
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Boy, she spelled black Twitter wrong. That's what she's talking about.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: That's what she's talking about. Black people have decided that
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: this is the worst fan environment that there's ever been.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Everywhere they go. And here's the thing. I can't speak
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: to whether that's true or not, okay? I am inclined
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to agree with the people and not with that woman,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the general manager. Wow, that sounded awful. That sounded terrible.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: My God. Her name is Amber Cox, right? Yes. Okay.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I am inclined to believe the people, not Amber Cox.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: There are two reasons why, okay? Shit. Number one. Did
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you watch, I think it's called Winning Time. It was
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a game time. It was the 30 for 30 about
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the Knicks Pacers rivalry during the 90s.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: That was Winning Time, yes.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Well, it was Winning Time. Yes. Okay. One theme of
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that documentary is the story. startling racism from Indiana Pacers fans.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: including a sign that was held up by a fan,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: and I can't remember the exact wording, but the poster
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: board had a picture of a noose, and it was like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: hang the Knicks, string the Knicks up, like something in
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the lynching family. Yes, okay? Now, it used to be
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: back in the day when you would bring up something
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: like that that happened 30 years ago, you would say, well,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that was a long time ago. That don't work no more.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: In fact, if that's what it was 30 years ago, unfortunately,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: now you got to wonder if the shit's worse, right?
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Like this isn't, it's not the sixties anymore. No, no, no.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: You can't play that card no more. Look around you,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: watch the news. We'll talk about some of that a
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: little bit later. But anyway, um, I believe, I don't
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: think all these people are making this up, right? I
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: don't believe that all these women who are in the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: league are just, like, jibber-jabbering when it comes to this.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: There is an issue with the way that players and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: other fans are receiving the fans of the fever. Now,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: you notice the woman was very careful. Amber Cox.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Amber Cox.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Amber Cox. Man, I might need to do some introspection.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: But she was like, her problem, she made it very clear,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: was with people who haven't even been there. So my
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: question for her is, what do you have to say
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: about the people who have been there and are saying
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: very similar things? And the answer is, whatever she might
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: say to them, She can't say it in front of everybody.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: They're in a bind, all right? And this is why
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I say they're in a bind. And I'm not saying
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: this to absolve her of anything. I'm just saying, let's
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: just be honest about this. I don't know if any
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: of you remember the night of the malice in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: palace in 2004. But if you remember, Bill Walton was
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: on the mic and I forget who was with him.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: It might've been John Saunders. I'm not sure who was
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: doing the play-by-play. But the play-by-play team after it happened
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and the post-game set, unanimously chastised the fans for their
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: poor behavior. The villains that night were the fans. And
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: if you read, those guys have all the fun, the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: oral history of ESPN. Everybody went to sleep, and by
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the time they had woke up, there had been meetings,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: there had been calls, and it had been determined Now,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: what we're not going to do is get on TV
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and blame the fans.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Blame the customers.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: The customers. They completely changed the entire tenor of the discussion,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and there was no room for anything that was anything
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: other than the players were wrong because you cannot tell
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the customers it's their fault. Right or wrong, that is
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: not how these things work. And so, Amber Cox... Amber
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Cox is not going to get on the microphone and
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: be like, well, you know, the problem we got is
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of racists up here.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: We're trying to do something about it. I don't know
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: what to tell you, man, but it's a lot of them. No, man,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that's not on the board in terms of how to
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: handle it. So what are they supposed to do? Because
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Kelsey Mitchell, given those quotes where she said, you know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: it's tough when you don't even know if your fans
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: like you. Your players are saying this, right? That got
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: so crazy to the point where... Kelsey Mitchell is getting
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: hell from fans for playing too well because they interfering
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: with the Kaitlin Clark MVP case. I don't know how
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: many of the people that are responding like that are
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: actual people and how many are bots, but I'm just
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: saying that's in the air in your incredibly online league.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: This is what it is, right or wrong. Players and
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: fans believe this is you. And it's the player part
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that you got to watch out for. Because I don't know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: why would you want to go play there? If you
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: had any other option given this, why would you want
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: to play on that team? The only person that seems
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to be getting auxiliary benefits from playing next to Kaitlin
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Clark and her fame is who? Who's getting it?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Sophie Cunningham.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: That's the only person that's getting it. So why is
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the rest of the league, and put it in italics,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the rest of the league, why they want to go
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: do this? Why in the world do they want to
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: put up with this? I don't know what anybody involved
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: is supposed to do here. Right. This is wild that
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: it's all played out that way.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: But they better figure it out.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Because clearly some things are going on in that stadium,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and then clearly things are happening online as well.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And you not just go tell these people they wrong. They, oh, well,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: since you put it like that, I'll change my whole season.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: That's not going to work. That's not it. And this
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: whole league has really got to figure out what to
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: do with that because the vibes are bad, man. Like
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: now they're at a place, and people talk about this,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: that's a win for them, is now it'll be a
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: lot more about basketball. Right, like- But is it? Well,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: because the fever are out. Like, you shouldn't have a
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: situation where many of your diehard fans as a league
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: find it relieving when one of your up-and-coming stars is
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: out of there. Because right now, as far as it
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: relates to Clark, this is part of the story. This
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: is the climb that everybody goes through. You're not good
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: enough right now. Your team's not good enough right now.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: They came up short and didn't shoot well enough and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: didn't play good enough defense. That's what people were telling
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: me about when they got put out of there. You're
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: supposed to be doing the shooting, and we know you
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: don't come up on the defense. This is the climb.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to go into some tunnel or wherever it
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is and grind it out and come back.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Like Wimby is supposed to be doing right now.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly. I saw that dude tackling a– a tackling dummy.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: No lie.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that too.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: No lie. He mad. He mad.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: You can barely tell he's lowering his shoulder because his
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: shoulder says that.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: That is correct. That is correct. But he gave it
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: his best, right? But no, man. This is– I don't
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: know what anybody involved here is supposed to do because–
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: The women of the WNBA should not back off of
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: what their truth is, right? But I ask this question,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm asking it somewhat rhetorically. Ron, I don't want
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to put you on the spot because I don't know
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: how close you follow this. That situation that happened with
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Asia Wilson, does that happen in any other building? Like,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: does she have that reaction in any other building? Because
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: let's get to an uncomfortable truth here. Where Sophie Cunningham
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: said they didn't suspend her because she's LeBron James of
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the league. I don't know why people are acting like
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: there's nothing to that. Especially post-2004, you don't get to
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: run up on the customers that close. You just don't.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I once saw Antonio Davis get suspended for going in
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the crowd to get his wife out. We have decided
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: that's something.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Can't do it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: You can't do it. We've made that decision that that
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: is something that you cannot do. She did that, and
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: they did nothing. Nothing. So that means one or two
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: things is true or maybe some combination of them. One,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: that is the best player in the league and you
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: don't want to have her out for a game three
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: in a best of three series under those circumstances, which
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: would be understandable. Or number two, despite the fact that
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: your investigation said that there was no violation of the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: code of conduct, you felt like something was kind of
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a violation of the code of conduct, right? But either way,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: You made a call to let that slide, that you
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: did not have to. You could say that part with
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: no judgment. If they had decided to suspend her, I
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: don't think there would have been much leg to stand up.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Or just a fine.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: They could have done, they chose nothing. Because I don't
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: think they have any idea what to do. But they
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: need to ask themselves, what is it about that building
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and that team and the people around it? And I
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: don't say that rhetorically. Like, they need to get to
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the bottom of it. Because otherwise, this is ratcheting up.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: You got a while before next season comes, but all
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the feelings that surround this aren't going anywhere. In fact,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: they're only going to get stronger. And so you're going
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: to have a game next year where the Aces come
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: play the Fever. What's going to happen? They're going to try.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: They're going to boo her into the ground. And it's
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: going to be whatever that environment is now is going
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to wind up being worse. And that's going to be
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the thing that's on TV. And it's going to be
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: just like this, where we talk about everything except basketball.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: All right, also over the weekend, John Gruden showed up
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: at a Trump rally for an Ohio senator. He said, quote,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I'm from Ohio. My mom and dad are from Cleveland.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I was born in Sandusky, and I'm damn proud of it. Bo, you...
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: What do you what do you make of John Gruden
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: showing up here?
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: That man was so happy to be somewhere that people
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: were happy to see him. Like, do we know where
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: he lives? Like, does he still live in Tampa?
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I think he's down in Florida.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: He looked in that room. I've been here. Ryan, I
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've had any situation like this, but
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I imagine it may have happened at some point because
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: white people don't talk about it when it happens to them.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: But there's nothing quite like what you like. Like when
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I went to graduate school in California, I went to
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: a little town, a graduate school in a little town
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: called Claremont. You can look up the demographics of Claremont.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: John Gruden looked like I did when I would get
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: back to Atlanta. Oh, my God. I don't have to
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: explain anything. Right. Every old of my people. Me and
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: they me and they. Oh, don't say that to John Gruden.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: He might have a conniption. But anyway, John Gruden was
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: so ramped up giving that speech in there. And I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: don't know how much any of them actually cared, but
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: he was so excited to be in that vast. sea
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: of Republican-ness.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Right. He's he still think he just go come back
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: without having to say anything about anything.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: And not only that, he wasn't even a good coach.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: John Gruden's last playoff win was in January of 2003,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That was the last playoff win that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: he had.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Speaking of a sea of Republican-ness, Vivek Swamy was there,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: and you pointed out something to me that happened that
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: you wanted to bring up.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Okay. We've got to get our tech up so we
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: can share people's videos of this. So Vivek Ramaswani. Didn't
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: he run for president?
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: He did run for president.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. He ran for president a little bit. He went
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: to Harvard. Pablo refers to him very stridently as a dork.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: So Vivek is running for governor of Ohio against hashtag
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: white charade. Is charade a charade?
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I believe it's Chirag.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's Chirag to me. Right? But anyway, he's
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: running for governor. He has the Republican nomination. Indian cat.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: And He's up there at the dais. And I don't,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: why was that kid up there?
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: So there's some kid on the stage. And the kid
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: looked like he had to be like seven or so.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I would say, yes, between seven and nine.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, somewhere in seven and nine. And it looked
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: like the vet got the bright idea to like let
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: the little homie say something on the microphone. But the
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: microphone was up too high. And so he's like, no problem.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I'll pick you up. And he went to go pick
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that kid up. And I want to be fair to Vivek.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: He bent his knees. He did everything that he was
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: supposed to do.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: He braced his core.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: He did. He engaged his core. That is exactly what
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: he did. And apparently that little boy has swallowed a
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: brick because he went to go pick him up. And, oh,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: he couldn't get him up. And he kept trying.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: Right, Lazy?
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: He kept going. But the kids got on like a shirt.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: So he started sliding. And he couldn't get him all
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the way up. And he goes, oh, big guy.
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: And the thing he didn't get was, what he needed
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: to do was, he needed to start low, and then
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: once he realized it was going to take too much,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: he'd stop and be like, whoa, big fella, you're going
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: to have to wait.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Like, he needed to make a joke about it right there.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: But instead, no. He tried to power through. It was
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: like his girl was watching, and he was ashamed. He
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: tried to power through, and he.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of shit that loses elections. You need
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: to understand that. What was it, Michael Dukakis with the joint?
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: The Howard Dean stream.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Never heard of Howard Dean again. I ain't heard that
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: man say a word. I know he had other jobs.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I ain't seen him. They put that man in front
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: of a camera. He was on top going into that primary,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and all he did was get excited. This dude right
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: here looked like half a man. It was so bad
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: that the next day, his account put up on Twitter
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: a picture of him holding his son with the caption,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: happy eight-month anniversary, because he needed to show us holding
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: a child. Sir, that was a baby. You could not
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: pick up that child. It's okay. That boy looked heavy.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: You just didn't, you don't know your limitations. That's not
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: a good look for a politician. That boy, I'm surprised
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: that boy, White Sherrod, ain't pulled up somewhere with like
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: a kid on his back.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: And one in each arm.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? Or just in the gym. Just don't,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: like that's what Vivek needed to do. Vivek needed to
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: show that he was just throwing it up, right? Getting
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: ready for the next time. He learned his lesson from
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: this happening to him.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: All right, and finally, there is an online trend of
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: people showing their nine most important albums to them. Bo,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: you posted yours. I wanted to give you the opportunity
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: to discuss it now.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Sure. Though I did see after I posted this that
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: somebody said, we've had enough of your music takes. And,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: you know, just some things that I can't say to women.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: So anyway... These are the nine I did. Now, I
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: needed people to understand that the nine I did were
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: not my nine favorite, per se. They were albums that
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: had different roles at different places in my life, right?
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: So the first one was Bill Withers Live at Carnegie
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Hall because that is the Jones Family Road Trip staple. Oh, interesting. Yeah,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: if I had to associate an album with my dad
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: or with family, it's that one. Anytime we're on a
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: road trip and it's time to bring it in, The
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: song with a whole stretch is the Heart of Cold
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Bologna version on that record. So that's how that got
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: on there. I had Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders, because
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: as I recall, that is the first album that I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: bought with my own money, you know? And it's also,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it is a banger. Outkast, Southern Playlist, Cadillac Music, because
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: that was the first album I'd ever heard of and
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, this feels like relatable content. And the
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: reason it felt like relatable content was The Houston that
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: people rapped about at that time was not the Houston
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that I lived in. That's not a class thing. That's
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: a geography thing. Southside and Fifth Ward is basically where
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: all this is coming out of. Places I never had
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: very much reason to ever be. The parts of Atlanta
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: that these cats were talking about, I knew. I heard
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: streets and things that I was aware of on there.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, okay. And it bangs. Only
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: built for Cuban links just because it jams. Side of
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: the Times, because that's the first Prince album that I really,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: really super deeply explored on my own. I remember when
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I bought it, I think I was in 12th grade
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: or something like that. And that was the first one
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: that myself, I really, really got to. And I was like, okay,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: now I get it. It Takes a Nation of Millions
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: to Hold Us Back. I remember when I was a
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: freshman in college, the source put out their 100th issue.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: And in their 100th issue, they had lists of the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: top 100 albums, top 100 singles, and they did voting
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: on what the best of everything was in a time
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: that people had forgotten. The number one album of all
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: time there and in many other places was It Takes
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back. And so
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I remember after I'd seen that, And my brother used
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: to jam it a lot, but I didn't pay that
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: much attention. After I'd seen that, I remember I went
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: to the record store and I saw the CD and
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I picked it up. And I will just never forget
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: running brain to noise. And when he hit that never
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: badder than bad because a brother is madder than mad
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: at the fact that's so corrupt like a senator's soul
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: on a rope. But you treat it like soap on
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: a rope because the beats and the lines are so dope.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's what you guys were
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: talking about. So we got that. Uh, burning by the whalers.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: That is, I put that there because I would never
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: put legend here because I'm not that kind of guy. However,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I admit we listened to a lot of legend on
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: road trips also, but burning is the tracks on burn.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I just remember my dad had burning on the tape too.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Like the tracks on burner, the ones that jumped out
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: is like my intro and Bob stuff. Juvenile 400 Degrees,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: because that album, more than any other, expanded me as
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: a more open-minded person in terms of what I could
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and could not say was dope for whatever reason it was.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Because I remember the first time I saw that Ha
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: video and them dudes with them gold teeth and everything else,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and it sounded like he was mumbling. I'm like, what?
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? Like, is this what
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: we're really doing? I ran that album. It was like,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: this is the most incredible thing I have ever heard.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: And these dudes is rapping, right? So like my very
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: heavy East Coast lean and sensibilities at that time, it
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't like there was no Southern records that I was into,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: but it put me in a place to have to
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: actually do some revisiting on some of them and be like, okay,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you might've been being a hater. And David Bowie, The
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and The Spiders from Mars,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: because that's the first Bowie album I really got into.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: It's not the best one, but I still think it's
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: really interesting. And I still remember getting toward the end
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: of Moon Age Daydream and being like, oh, that's what's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: going on here. Gotcha. So I could do another nine.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I could do nine more. I could do nine on
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: themes or whatever it is. But that was how I
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: picked that nine. And number 10 would have been Babyface,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Tend to Love Her. But I just only had nine spaces.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I just couldn't find a way to work it.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: All right, Bo, let's get to voicemails. Speaking of babyface.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: Hey, Bomani, this is Dylan from New York City. Loved
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: listening to you for a long time, so it's a
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: pleasure to connect. I've long really enjoyed your music takes
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: in addition to your sports stuff. You've helped get me
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: into Prince and the Isley Brothers and some really other
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: great artists. So I've been enjoying the discourse around Babyface.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I'm a little.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: Agnostic about him in particular, but I was wondering if
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: there is a white songwriter equivalent to how you feel
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: about Babyface, someone who is either critically loved or popularly
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: loved that you just don't rock with. So would love
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: to hear your perspective on that. Thanks so much.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, so songwriter, that's a little bit more difficult for
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: me to give you the direct analog to. But I
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: will tell you someone that is revered in his field,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: similar to the way Babyface is revered as a songwriter,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that I don't find myself being nearly as excited about,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: even though every now and then he hits the mark,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: and that's Eric fucking Clapton. Eric Clapton as guitar player.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Not here for it. And it don't even have to
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: do with the xenophobia situation. He could have the same
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: politics as me and I would feel the same way.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I just don't. i don't feel it when he gets
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: to go and there's a whole gang of guitar players
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: that i throw out there that i find to be
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: more interesting Been listening to Eric Clapton. Again, that's not
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: to say he can't never hit it. That's not to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: say the stuff with Cream is not good. He is,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: to me, another case of you surround him with some Beast,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: he'll do okay with the Beast. You ask him to
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: carry the Beast, nah.
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: No, not really.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: That's not going to get you there. And people really
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: like that wonderful Tonight song. That's some babyface shit right there,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: if you want to be perfectly honest. Like that, that, that.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: That right there. So, yeah, a lot of people get
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: mad at me with the Eric Clapton one, too. Yeah,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: that's the best one I'll give you.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: All right, here's our next one.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: What's up, Bo?
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: This is your boy Ant from the DMV.
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: I was first by being born into a family that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: loved the Miami Dolphins, even though we lived nowhere near Miami.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: And it's been a long, long, long lifetime of disappointment.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: The Tua, Tyreek, Daniels, Seasons, you know, got me living
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: a little bit. You know, I was excited about the future,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: and then the collapse, it just brought me down, bro.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think I have another rebuild in me. You know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: music don't sound as good. Sun don't shine as brightly.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: Food doesn't taste as sweet. And my question to you
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: as someone that was successfully able to get off that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: narcotic is should I just rip the band-aid off or
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: should I slowly just kind of pull away?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: Because, like I said, I don't have another rebuild in me.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: So, please, help your boy out. By the way, babyface
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: is the man.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Later. All the people for y'all to ride for. Ride for. Anyway,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins. The thing about the Dolphins that's easy to
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: forget is that from 1971 to 1984, they went to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl five times. They had, I want to say,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: three quarterbacks who won MVP or at least first-team All-Pro.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: And then they just been whatever. Like they are not,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the difference between the Dolphins and the Raiders is scant.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: The Raiders have won a Super.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Bowl suit and the Dolphins have.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: The difference is, though, the worst of the Raiders has
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: been worse than the worst of the Dolphins and has
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: been more of a consistent bottom. But they are teams
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: that were venerable franchises that you're of a certain age
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and you have no idea that this was the case, right?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: So what you need to do is.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just stop. Like you can make the decision. Just stop.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Take some what you need to do. It took me
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: a while before I found the right one. Just take
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: some time and look around. Date some teams. And if
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: somebody really kind of jumps out to you like something
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: they got going, go ahead and like see what it
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: is that they got for you. And I'm going to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: tell you now it's going to come with some ups
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: and downs. Like right now, not happy with my choices,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: but I'm there and I'm going to stick with it.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: And you can do the same.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: But my Jones fan rehab is.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: We need to start this. We need to start. I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: tell you, I bet if we could, like, set up
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: a one-day workshop, I bet we could do it. Man,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: if Game Theory was still on, that would be an
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: amazing field sketch.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Just how to quit your team.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: All right, here's our last one.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Hey, this is Jake in Durham.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Love the show.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: Been a big fan for years. One of my favorite
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: things is where people call in and tell the stories
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: about the... the white people that have names that you're
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: surprised they're white. And you and Dominique were talking about
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Liam Cohen, and I got wondering, I've never heard of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: a black Liam before. And I've heard of a lot
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: of Liams. And so just to make sure, I searched,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: and Liam was apparently the most popular boy's name. But
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: all the Liams I can think of, Gallagher, Nielsen, Cohen,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: they're white. But I'm pretty white myself. So Have you
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: ever heard of a black Liam? I'll hang up and listen.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Have a good one.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard of a black Liam, but it's
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: only a matter of time. There's a whole run there
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: that started really like in like the mid 2000s. where
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: black people started giving their kids these clueless-ass names, like,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: trying to white it up a little bit, like they're
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: not going to have to go in for that job
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: interview eventually. You know what I mean? But ain't no
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: white people ever did that we ain't going to find
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: no way to adopt or throw into our shit at
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: some point or some fashion. So I have not met that.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: It was a long time, by the way, before I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: realized that Liam was short for William. I did not
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: realize that until sometime in the last, like, two or
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: three years. You know? I will say this, though.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Um.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: There hasn't been like, I guess Liam Neeson is the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: only one, but like a Liam that was cool enough
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: to like really cross over to where we might want
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: to jump on that. Like Liam Gallagher. Not that guy. No, no, no.
• 1:04:31
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