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Honest thoughts about AEW's Forbidden Door · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for ignition with the
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a w FAHAB podcast team. This is Kelson, this is Alex, and
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we are nearing the end of Forbidden Door season. Maybe some people's favorite season
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of the year. I think for other people it's maybe their least favorite season
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of AEW. This has been an interesting Forbidden Door build because I would say
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the main event match that we have is between two ae W wrestlers, so
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it's not really your traditional Forbidden Door match. And I know the question has
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been raised and I don't agree with this that maybe the luster on Forbidden Door
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is waning. Let me ask you this, Alex, is the fact that
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it is an AW versus A main event weighing on your mind at all?
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And if so, even if it even if it isn't weighing on your mind,
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can you think is there anything else on the card that you were like,
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maybe that should be a better main main event. I I like the
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main event. I think it is one of the best matches that AW can
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put put on. And I know with Forbidden Door they traditionally want, you
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know, like they had last year the main event was Brian Danielson versus Okada,
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which is a huge match and they had never wrestled before, but they
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didn't really have that. I don't feel like there was any big name in
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New Japan, being as AW already took will Osprey, they already took O,
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right, so what what is the biggest match that they could do?
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Like Nido is probably the biggest name in New Japan, but he's not really
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familiar to American audiences in the same way. Yeah, yeah, like they
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do have John Moxley versus Nido, and I think that's a good match and
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it'll be a strong match, but yeah, it's just not it's not what
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AW wants to be for the marquee match for Forbidden Doors. So I think
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it makes sense that they're doing Swerve Strickland versus will Osprey. I guess they're
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not gonna do that at all in and this is the way to have that
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match, have a huge match for Forbidden Door, and then all the other
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matches, in my opinion, are more in line with Forbidden Door. It's
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not just New Japan. This time, we have CMLL, we have stardom.
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So I think, like on paper, when I compare this card to
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last years or two years ago. Card. I feel like it's a really
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strong card. We're gonna have a lot of really great matches. But I
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do understand some people saying that it's not true forbidden Door matches. Fair enough,
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I want to go to Suckman and Nett get their take on it first
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thing. You know, maybe you can even answer the question right. I
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asked, right off the bat, do you think that Strickland versus Osprey is
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the best choice for the main event at this Forbidden Door or would you have
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personally picked something else out of this card? Well, I'm going to give
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you the match I know you want as the main event right off the bat.
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No, I don't think that. I don't think that the Swears Strickmand
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with the Lostbury match should be the main event because it's not a Forbidden Door
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match. Sorry, it's just not. It hasn't changed. I mean,
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the fact that it's going to be the main event doesn't change my looking forward
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to the event. But in the case of what should have been the main
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event, it should be the Meana Shear cow Tony Storm match because that has
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had the biggest, best built up of all the matches they're there. I
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can agree with that. Yeah, I think the women's match that should be
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featured. I'm not very excited about the Swerve Osprey match. I mean,
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they're both in AEW. They can keep there fighting, you know, exclusively
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to ae W every week on TV. I always thought of Forbidden Door as
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something that both fandoms don't get to see often, you know, the Japanese
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fans and the AW fans don't get to see every day, and this just
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kind of feels like an everyday match. So I would have rather kept the
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women's match forefront. And if if they did that, that plays on two
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things. Everyone is calling for more women's matches, plus it's more of a
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forbid indoor match in and of itself. Well, let me let me ask
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you a question. You don't let everybody a question here. The main events
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were versus Osprey's for the AW Men's title. Do you think that maybe it
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could have been more uh enticing if they had made it not only for the
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AW Men's World Championship but also for the International Championship title versus title. No,
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I don't want to see them connected again. I know that there was
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more to two that were connected before, but I don't want to see I
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don't like when they put titles like that together because it's it. I just
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don't like it when they do that, because they don't seem to always have
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a way to separate them later on. I don't mind when it's certain titles,
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but not like the titles that are considered to be I mean, it's
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it's to me those titles that one, the Internet title, and the Yeah,
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those three titles, to me are like the top titles in the company,
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and you don't want to put the two top titles together or three types
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titles. That's just a mean. Now, if you put like the TNT
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title with the WW or with the WW with the World title or with the
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other two titles, that wouldn't be a problem. But to do it with
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like major titles just doesn't make any sense. I always felt like the International
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title was the lowest rung, in my opinion, like the last with not
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taking will Osprey into consideration, the last title holder was Roddy, and I
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think he'd be like the bottom tier. Give that an aberration, like I,
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yeah, I don't love you know, if will Osprey does win this
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match, they do put the titles together, it seems like maybe it's set
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up because he's not going to win the match. That's why it's only for
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the AW World champions But like this match is gonna be when they're in the
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ring facing each other and the crowd like before they touch, before the bell
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rings, the crowd's gonna be like nuts. These are the two top like
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singles wrestlers, I'd say right now in AW they haven't interacted on AWTV.
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I think this is gonna be a huge match. It's gonna be like,
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you know, a Meltzer five star level match. It's gonna be huge.
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But it is kind of marred being on the Forbidden Door card because it's not
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title for title and it is for the AW World Championship and get Do you
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give will Osprey any chance whatsoever of winning this match? Or is this a
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face where Osprey is knowing that he's as good as he is and he's still
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gonna have the International Championship after this match is over, whether he wins or
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loses. Is this just a case of AW using Will Osprey to put Swerve
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Strickland over As a champion, Will Osprey is he's on that level where he's
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World championship level, if not considered like the top guy in AW, so
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I can easily see him winning this match, and I think it makes it
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more interesting for Swerve Strickland to be that angry upset that he lost. The
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more statistics Swerve Strickland that we've kind of lost as we have had like Babyface
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champions Sware of Strickland. So if they did go that direction, it could
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be very interesting. I agree, but I do lean towards Swerve kind of
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like a ninety percent chance of him winning here just by how I feel and
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the fact that it's only for the AW World Championship, it definitely makes me
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lean towards Swerve. Well, I saw that you agree, So what would
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you do? You agree with everything that Alex said or do you have something
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that I agree that this This match has the potential to bring out the Swerve
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that we have kind of lost, where he is more evil and more of
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a He has a bad side to him, and it seems like since he's
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become champion, we see bits and pieces of it, but we don't see
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it like we used to. I for some reason, I think that if
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anybody can bring it out of him, I actually think that Will Osprey can
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bring it out of him. I don't know if it's because they're quote unquote
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friends and they know each other and know how to push one another's buttons,
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but I would like to see more of that in Swerve as a champion.
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And I also think that they can use this match to set up some long
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term storytelling, which, as you know, I love the storytelling between Swerve
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and Osprey. Like this match will happen, but it won't be the ending.
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I look forward to them going farther with it, somewhere down the line
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and getting more out of both of them. Swerve is the kind of wrestler
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to me, and I don't know if you guys will agree with this,
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but he seems to be at his best when he's not quite a heel,
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but he's not quite a babyface. He's kind of in the anti hero realm.
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And then you have Will Osprey with his Golden Retriever energy as since which
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has said and I think it's a good matchup. Thing that bothers me about
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this match is that it's not one obvious, like Alex said, ninety five
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percent obvious that I swore Strictlan's gonna win this, and even if he doesn't
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win it, and Ospbury wins. Then Osprey has two belts, and I
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just don't like either result. I I kind of hope something happens in this
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match where it's no contact. I got you covered. Yeah, I see
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this is how I see it happening. Uh, gonna be a great match
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until the end, because I don't see it ending. It's gonna end in
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a disqualification or some way, because what's gonna happen is some cowboy shit's gonna
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go down. Tony has almost always had something up his sleeve at pay per
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views, almost always. If you go back and look at all the pay
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per views, there's always somebody making him return or something hasn't happened for a
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while. It's not been a consistent thing. That's the last couple of pay
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per views, maybe one, but not think. I think that Adam Page
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is going to come back. I think he's going to cost the match.
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It's going to be awarded to Ospray for interference or whatever, and then he's
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going to announce that he is the wild car Entry in the possibility of them
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to swear versus Adam Page at all. In now, what happens when Tony
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Kahan does what he always does and at the last second makes it a Q
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match, you know, And that's something that they don't do that much in
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in a W which is is refreshing. They have always makes a last minute
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change the matches. Well, yeah, I'm not saying about that. I'm
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saying about the no DQ. They don't have very many no DQ's or interference
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you know, matches that are ended by outside of interference. It doesn't end
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that way, not really. Yeah, they usually have to roll up or
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something, you know, somehow, So hopefully that's gonna happen either way.
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I see I see Osprey getting a win, but not the title. What
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I've hoped for is a double count out. That would be cool too.
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Yeah, it could happen. Yeah, yeah, I do think they are
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probably setting up Swere versus Hangman at Wembley. But but we'll see. Anything
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could happen. The only way that can happen though, is he's got to
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be in the Owen because the winner of the Owen gets Wembley. What is
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your I am hype for this match. They've done everything right going up to
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this match. This is the one I want to say match. Yeah for
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me, I'm I want to say, first of all for this Forbidden Door.
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I'm I'm excited about it a lot because the last couple Forbidden Doors we
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had like Tanahashi and toamahiro Ishi and Minoro Suzuki and a lot of wrestlers that
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were kind of like older Nostalgia Act type of New Japan wrestlers. And this
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time we're getting more guys who can go and are in their prime, like
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Shingo and Hatcha Sarro, Nito Zach Saber Junior. But the match I'm most
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looking forward to just because I love Hetcha Saro and I don't know if we've
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really had a real singles match with him since he's shown up again, but
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yeah, I and JF versus Hetcha Saro is what I'm most excited for.
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That because you baby, Yeah, and I want to what about you son?
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Okay, So match I'm looking forward to, probably of them allays got
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to be the minas Hyar Cow match. They're playing it up so well,
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they really are. Yeah, this match is like unbelievably well put together.
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I want to know who they're putting, who's doing the input on this,
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because they need to get all the matches set up like this match. Yeah,
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I'm going. I'm going to say something that even surprises myself because I
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have been a little tired of seeing Orange Cassidy, but I am actually excited
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to see him and Zach Saber Junior wrestle. That that's the match I'm looking
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forward to, and it's because I like Zach Saber Junior a lot, and
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also I think that Orange Cassidy is full of surprises and his laid back approach
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to wrestling actually hides a pretty good technical wrestler. So I'm looking forward to
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their match for those reasons. I think that it's it's going to be surprisingly
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good the Mina Shikawa and you can also throw Mariah May into the mix here.
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That story has had a tremendous build and it is by far to be
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the most compelling match. Not no other match even comes close at all.
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As far as Tony Storm and Mina Sirkawa goes, that should be the main
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event. I am sorry, no one will be able to convince me otherwise.
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Now I want to flip the script and I want to ask who you
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guys think are what is maybe the less type match on Forbidden Door for you
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and your reasons why. And I'm going to go first because I'm going to
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disagree with net on this one. I have less than zero interest in seeing
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Orange Cassidy and Zach Saber. I don't give a shit. I literally don't
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give a shit about this match. I am so sick. I'm getting so
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sick of seeing the am wrestlers shoved down my throat. Orange Cassidy is only
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finding Zach Saber Junior in this pay per view because Tony Kahan wanted to have
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Orange Cassidy on his pay per view. There is no other reason, all
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right, that's Orange Cassidy does like he's kind of floth style if you want
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to call it, is it is. It works really well with the tricky
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British style of Zach Saber Jr. My point is is that I don't care.
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Look, if you wanted to get me interested in the match, but
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Zack Saber Junior in is in there by himself and Rustle the Invisible Man,
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it would be a better match for me because simply, I'm not saying that
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Orange Cassidy is not talented. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that
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I think he's a phenomenal wrestler. I just think he's tired, tiring and
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boring because he's on too much. And to make a another point that I
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made last week as well, on Dynamite, it was just announced not too
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long ago that Zach Saber Junior has a match on Dynamite. Yes who it's
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against. If you're gonna talk badly about this match, Kyle freak so excited
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for this match. This is like they had the Kyler Riley versus Malachi Black
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match, which is one of my favorite matches of this year period, and
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this match is gonna be in the same vein like they're both fantastic technical wrestlers.
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It's gonna be awesome. I am for I haven't watched this match.
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It's that the TV channel gets turned. I am so sick Kyle O'Reilly every
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single freaking week. Give it a rest and it wouldn't even be a it
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would even be worse. Well, let me that's not the one I wanted
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to say, But let me put it this way. After Kyle O'Reilly loses
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tomorrow night, because we know that he is because there's still ways period.
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Yeah, it's the help get set up for the paper sixteenth math match in
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the last two months sixteen and he's got after he loses tomorrow. I I
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think he has like a six and ten record, and like for all the
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guys that lose a lot on Dynamite and Collision, he's he's one guy that's
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almost like immune to losing. I think people still like him. Well obviously
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that's except Kelston. But you're you're not. You don't even watch the match,
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so I don't know if that matters. Well, let me put it
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this way, like what I say that I'm not going to watch the Orge
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Cassidy match. Look at the Orange Cassidy's run, his first run as the
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International Champion and where he wrestled like Kyle O'Reilly every single week. Was there
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any difference between one Orange Cassidy match and the next. None. Ninety percent
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of the time he won by surprise roll up after getting the crap beat out
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of them, and a couple of times he won with the Orange punch.
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That's it. They're the same match. They're going to do the same moves
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in every match that they do. But if they're on every single week and
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wrestling in twenty minute matches every single week, it becomes glaringly obvious, you
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know, And that's my problem. It's not that Kyle O'Reilly isn't a good
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wrestler. It's not that Orange Cassidy isn't a good wrestler, It's just that
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their matches are mind numbingly boring. Yeah, Steven, I don't agree with
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that. This is like you ask about this pay per view and if you're
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looking forward to the pay per view, I look forward to every pay per
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view they do. I have not had one one pay per view that I've
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watched in aw that I have not looked forward to and not had good things
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to say about because there it's so different than what I'm used to when I
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was watching the WWE back in the day. Every pay per view they did,
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they pretty much the same thing all the time. You knew what was
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gonna happen. Always something exciting happens in these pay per views, and every
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single match is a top match. It could all they could all be.
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There's a couple they have been bad or been medium. But for over Paul,
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it doesn't matter who the competitors are. They put on the best shows
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and that's what people come in for. It's not gonna matter if it was
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Orange Cashty versus Jackson Jack Say Virginior is going to be an amazing match.
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Him going against Kyler Radley tomorrow Night's going to be an amazing match. Well,
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here's here's the thing. The one I don't look forward to is the
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Mercedes Monague match because I am I am not sold on her. She has
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not proven to me that she is worth the hype that she's gotten. She
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proved to me that she's a WWE wrestler in a w because she's exactly what
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I expected we were gonna get. She's done nothing to show me that she's
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greater than what and being. She's like so overhyped it's not even funny.
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And to what's a star who has been wrestling and has two titles going to
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lose to her? Because that's the same thing as every other match this one.
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You know who's gonna win. They're not gonna because Mercedes is supposed to
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have had that belt. I don't care if she was supposed to have the
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belt she got hurt. Belt's gone now that that opportunity was gone when she
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got hurt and couldn't win it. But that's not how they think about it.
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So I do not look forward to that match. I watch it because
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I think it's gonna be a great match anyway. I mean, I want
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to see her opponent because I've never seen a wrestle before. Stephanie Facker is
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really really good, and I know she's beaten Stephanie before, but you know
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that was over a year ago when she was on her game and hadn't missed
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the year, and I just I just don't look forward to I think Monet
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is going to end up when they talk about the people who were signed this
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year by AAW She's going to be the least important one because, yeah,
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she's making some things change for the women's division, but she didn't bring any
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new talent more than what we already have. Yeah. I mean, look,
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we have two Forbidden Door women's matches and people people are literally calling for
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a third. And here's the thing. Yeah, I don't know if you
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saw my post that I made on the aw fat Hub subreddit, but Stardom
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is actually doing a show on the same day for as Forbidden Door. Yeah,
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so so that eliminates a lot of women from Stardom being in Forbidden Door.
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There are three women from star who are not and when I say three
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women, I mean three notable women from Stardom who are not booked for the
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startup event as the same day as Forbidden Door, and I'm sorry if I
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butchered these names. One is Mama Watanami, two is Saori Anew and third
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is Pam Nakano. So I'm looking for all three of those women to be
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or at least two of them to be at Forbidden Door. So I think
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you're going to see another match made for for Bid Door. My wish is
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that that I said this before, is that they do one of those Gotlin
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matches like they had for the men about three weeks ago. I thought it
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was really good, and I just think that if they had like two or
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three women from Stardom, with two or three women from AW and even two
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or three women from CMLL participated in this match, it would be great.
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Yeah. And of course Baki though, yeah, yeah, I'd be great
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to see her. I didn't say what I thought was my least favorite match.
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Yeah, I'm gonna uh So we have nine matches on the cards so
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far. I think eight of these matches maybe seven, could be really great.
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I like the Learning Tree, I even like the Joe Hook Shabata stuff,
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but this match, like, couldn't they have found a way just pair
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them both up against new Japan teams or something along those lines. Maybe a
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six on six against the House of Torture, like just anything could have been
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more interesting to me than this match. So yeah, I agree. Well,
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look, maybe more matches put on this show. I'm sure there will
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be. There's not fourteen last year, so we're probably gonna see plenty more
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announced for at least for zero but yeah, yeah, for like five days
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before the pay per view, you know, come on. I think a
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lot of them just get thrown together because they have a lot of new japan
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guys. Like if you look at last year's Zero Hour card, it was
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just some random things, but we had a lot of extra new japan guys,
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which was cool. Yeah, you know, when you're talking about this
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year, especially with Stardom, CML and Japan, maybe visa issues that are
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last minute things that they couldn't Yeah, they don't want to announce a match
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that they may not be able to pull off, you know. So,
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I mean it must be so hard to put this together, especially the build
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up to the card itself, like getting people from four different companies, arranging
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all their travel, arranging with the head offices of all these companies, it
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must be very difficult to actually arrange all of this. Well, let me
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ask you this, Alex, what do you think about maybe next year or
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you know, but in the near future doing Forbidden Door in New Japan territory?
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That would be awesome. That would be really really cool. Drop back,
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like, I know that Alex, you're on the East coast, so
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as am I that would be like a four o'clock of the morning pay per
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view. Uh so yeah, no, that that's true if they did in
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Japan. Yeah, that it's on the West coast, to be like,
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what what of the morning in the morning, yeah, you know, so,
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I mean so it'll definitely be like stay off Twitter, stay off the
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subreddits and you know, hide it okay, and then we'll put it on
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at noon kind of thing. Yeah, that would be yeah. Yeah,
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that's why it's hard to follow New Japan because, yeah, you can't watch
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them live unless you want to wake up at My son follows New Japan and
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watches all that stuff all hours of the night. Yeah, craziness. Yeah,
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but it's kind of fun though, when you're when you're if you're if
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you do want to find out what happened in New Japan. You wake up
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in the morning and it's there, you know. I mean, if you're
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going to go out, you're going to buy a pay per view, you
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know that's on tape delay. You're probably not going to go look at the
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results. But I wanted to ask one more question because this is based on
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something that Sutton brought up, not taking into account you're working, or you
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have a family, you know, thing that you're function that you're doing.
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Has there been any pay per views let's just all we go back two years
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in the last two years, have there been any pay per views that you
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did not buy? I have my West r O h ones. Okay,
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well, well I think of one I don't remember, but I never missed
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an a W one. You never this at AW wont about you never?
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No, No, I've not missed any of the AW pay per views,
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not one cool Alex. Yeah, no, since I've been a fan,
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like, yeah, there has been a few that I've not been able to
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watch until the next day. But yeah, I think I bought everything for
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like r oh r oh whatever, the the Honor Club, yeah, everything.
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Well, for me, there's only been two pay per views that I
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did not buy or watch and that's uh, Forbidden Door one and Forbidden Door
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two? Wow three number one? Is that the first I was if you
29:49
remember, you know, on our podcast a month ago, based on what
29:56
and you know, I get, I I hate for loving you something,
30:00
but you know I have to agree. Based on what was being done with
30:06
Mina shir Kawa and Tony Storm, I was like, Wow, they're actually
30:11
building up this pay per view properly, and I really want to see this
30:15
match. And I still want to see this match, but if I bought
30:18
Forbidden Door three, it would be mostly for Mina Sirka and Tony Storm.
30:25
Am I buying Forbidden Door three? I have not yet, and I haven't
30:30
decided yet. I know everybody that's listening to this is going to be on
30:34
pins and needles until I announced whether I watch Forbidden Door three, and I
30:40
made that as sarcastically as possible as Hey, you watch wrestling for your entertainment,
30:45
you know, it's just tho. It's fun. It's supposed to be
30:49
fun or intriguing or whatever it's supposed to be. Whatever you want to get
30:53
out of it. I hope you get out of it. I just didn't
30:56
have any interest in Forbidden Door or Forbidden Door two. I will say this,
31:02
I do have a little bit more interested Forbidden Door three. I think,
31:06
yeah, that's mostly based on Mina shir Kawa and Tony Storm's match.
31:08
There are a lot of people to back paper just for one match. Anyways,
31:12
I guess we can shift gears. I think we also wanted to talk
31:18
about the inclusion of Jeff Jarrett in the Owen Hart Foundation Cup tournament. I
31:25
know this is getting a lot of interest because he put out a very heartfelt,
31:29
touching video talking about his relationship with Owen Hart, which I think a
31:33
lot of people maybe weren't thinking of in terms of why Jeff Jarrett's part of
31:40
the owen Hart Foundation Cup tournament right, And I want to hear your guys
31:45
takes because I think it is you know, they do have a lot of
31:48
history. Like Jeff Jarrett and Owen Hart were really close. They were both
31:55
in WWE right at the time of owen Hart's death, and I think it
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is a really touching idea of him being in this tournament. I think Jeff
32:06
Jarrett is a guy that gets overlooked, but he is a He's a veteran
32:12
presence in the aw locker room. He seems to be working behind the scenes
32:16
for them, and it's nice to see him get this moment to showcase and
32:22
be like the ultimate babyface in this tournament and probably gets squashed by whoever the
32:28
joker is. Hang Man had a page probably yeah, you know, evil
32:32
hang Man. I mean, look to be fair, when Jeff Jarrett was
32:36
announced that a lot of people were saying why. Yeah, a lot of
32:39
people were saying why. I mean, it was all over Twitter, it
32:43
was all over read, it was all over anyone. If you talk to
32:45
anybody about wrestlers, like, why the hell is Jeff Jarrett at this?
32:50
Well, he put out this video and it went from you went from wondering
32:55
why Jeff Jarrett was in the owen Hart Foundation Cup tournament two basically you kind
33:05
of wanted to see him do well and even win it, you know,
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And so that video, which I'm not saying he did it for the purpose
33:15
of, you know, getting sympathy as far as this tournament goes, I
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think that this video, first and foremost that video that he did actually legitimized
33:31
the owen Hart Cup farnament. You know, let's face it, owen Hart
33:38
died. What twenty five years ago. Yeah, so there are a lot
33:45
there are a lot of people that were either not alive, would that happen?
33:50
Or we're ten years old or younger, you know, and didn't really
33:55
understand how big of a tragedy this was. So that video that Jeff Jarrett
34:05
did first and foremost brought orwen Hart's you know, legacy to life and probably
34:13
got people to go back and hey, let me go find out about this
34:16
owen Hart guy. You know that may not have known about him. I
34:20
mean guys like you said that, and I'm sure Nett probably knows a lot
34:24
about owen Hart. Sutton. I'm sure you do too as well as do
34:30
I. You know, it was a it was a horrible, horrible thing
34:36
in wrestling, and it affected a lot of people. And I think that
34:44
Jeff Jared's video made it real for people that didn't know or did. It
34:55
showed how loved he was because Jeff care Jared came o across as genuinely just
35:02
missing his friend and yeah, you just felt that, right, and what
35:08
better way to establish hangman at him page is a joker as a huge heel
35:16
the comment and just beat the ship out of Jeff Jarrett, you know,
35:21
or went by some kind of a cad did horrible way, you know,
35:29
because if it is Hangman at a Page, Jeff jareded is not going to
35:32
defeat Hangman at a Page, and that is going to be something well,
35:39
and I think the problem is going to be is now so many people are
35:44
going to want Jared to win that that might actually make people not so happy
35:50
that he doesn't, you know what I mean, perfect for a heel.
35:55
Right before that video, nobody cared if people are like, what the hell
35:59
is he doing here? Now it's all like, oh, we wanted to
36:00
win, and you know he's not gonna so it kind of I think it
36:06
kind of is. It was a great video. I loved what he had
36:08
to say, and honestly, back then I wasn't that big of a WWE
36:13
fan, so I really didn't watch a lot. I knew who he was,
36:16
I knew about the Blue Blazer, I knew all that stuff, but
36:20
and I knew about what happened to him. I found out a couple of
36:22
days later after the pay per view, because I didn't watch ww pay per
36:27
views like that, so you know, it was I knew who I knew
36:30
who own heart was because of course he's Brett Hart's brother and and all that
36:35
stuff. But I don't know it was a great video. I just think
36:37
that the I don't know if. I don't know if if if it fit
36:43
for me with the tournament aspect, because now I think it's gonna put a
36:49
light on the tournament when he doesn't win, you know, like I think,
36:53
if you're a babyface and you lose and people wanted you to win,
36:58
that only helps you. That only makes Jeff Charett more likable in a w
37:04
and no one wants to actually see Jeff Charett win the tournament, right like
37:08
it'd be nice, But it's fifty year old. She said to the Illino.
37:16
I want him to win everything. I want him to win that I
37:20
wanted to win the new Japan title w W A title. Realistically, Jeff
37:25
chair should win to go all in, you know, but it's a feel
37:32
good story if he does win. But it's a but it's also a feel
37:38
good story in the opposite and feel bad story because the heel that beats him
37:46
is just gonna be you know, to borrow a phrase, kazuchika o kada,
37:54
the person that beats him is a bitch. Yeah, yeah, that's
38:00
true that I don't know. I'm emotional about Owen Heart so I but I
38:13
don't like Jeff Jarrett, So what don't you like about him? Him?
38:21
He seems very corny to me. I don't know. Something about him is
38:28
always like Orange Cassidy. What the hell? Well, No, I'm know.
38:34
I'm not a huge Orange Cassidy fan. I just think in this instance,
38:37
Orange Cassidy is going to surprise us with the Zach Saber Junior match.
38:45
But I don't know. It would be nice to see Jeff Jarrett when in
38:53
a way as kind of a a nice way to wrap things up for his
38:59
friend. But I don't know. I think that Hangman is probably the joker,
39:07
and Hangman is angry with Swerve, and I think that if he comes
39:15
in as the joker, it's it's a way for him to start his Shenanigans
39:20
of being a heel and terrorizing everyone. You know what, you know what's
39:24
gonna be interesting? That is Remember when Nila Rose, just like last week,
39:30
had her first match on AWTV in like six months, and she came
39:36
out and she was the babyface and she got the big pop. It's interesting
39:40
hearing Jeff Jerrit get a big pop because he's gonna get when he comes out
39:45
of that tunnel for that match, he is going to get a huge pop.
39:51
Yeah, he is. It's it's gonna be great. It is,
39:54
And I hope Doctor Marsh is there, but I yeah, I think if
40:02
it is Adam hang Man, it is going to be something else. I
40:08
also think while we're talking about Forbidden Door, I can't remember the wrestler's name,
40:15
but he's from New Japan and he and Brian Danielson used to wrestle together
40:23
many many years ago, and he was also a friend of Owen Hart,
40:30
and I wish I could remember his name. But I was thinking about it
40:34
with Forbidden Door that it was also a way to kind of tie in with
40:38
Forbidden Door if he was there, as long as it's not Minora Suzuki.
40:44
No, it's not Sazuki. It's it's some other guy. I can't remember
40:47
who it is, but he used to wrestle with Danielson a long time ago,
40:53
and he's from New Japan, Okay, but yeah, I can't think
40:59
of who he is, and he was buddies with with Owen Hart and Jared
41:04
and I wish I could remember his name. All of our listeners will put
41:08
it in the comments. Yeah, somebody, I don't know what you're talking
41:12
about. I have no idea. Yeah, somebody tell us who it is,
41:16
because I I kind of remember. And I think that that would be
41:20
a nice touch also for the owen Hart Tournament and to tie everything together and
41:27
forbidden Door. I think it's a lot of sentimental feelings surrounding the tournament and
41:34
it's it's just nice. I think this is gonna be a good moment for
41:37
Jeff and his guitar. So we'll see. Oh god, yeah, because
41:47
like most people there did debut would be when they get their biggest pop when
41:52
Jeff here. But I don't think when Jeff Jerriffirst showed up in aw people
41:57
were like super thrilled. Though, yeah he retired. You know why I
42:05
don't like Jeff Jarrett because he's fifty whatever years old and he still has the
42:09
body of a twenty five thirty year old. Unbelievable. It's like Billy Gunn
42:16
and Jeff Jared. I hate you guys. Okay, you're an embarrassment to
42:23
all of us. I think they're okay with that. I don't think they're
42:28
feelings. They're not hurt. I know, I just you know, I
42:30
just hadn't have to be said, let's move on because uh MK made a
42:36
post at the aw fed up subreddit and uh it got a lot of responses,
42:42
it really did, and it got a lot of passionate responses, and
42:46
that was about Ring of Honor. So do you guys, does Ring of
42:52
Honor interest you? And you know, and if it doesn't interest you,
42:58
you know, some people are saying Ring of Honor should just be like go
43:01
and don't forget. You know, we got a TV deal coming up,
43:05
possibly Max. Maybe they take Ring of Hoter off of Hoter Club and put
43:08
it on Max. You know, there's all kinds of things that can happen,
43:12
you know, in the near future as far as with the TV deals
43:15
and what's included into TV deals and whatnot. But you know, ultimately,
43:24
I find Ring of Honor pretty interesting. I gotta be honest with you.
43:29
I subscribe to Honor Club. Uh Do I watch Ring of Water every Thursday
43:34
night when it's on. No, I don't, but I do catch the
43:38
matches, you know, either late Thursday night or even Friday afternoon when I
43:44
come home from work and stuff. Like that, but I find Ring of
43:49
Honor matches. I've said this before. One of the things that I love
43:52
about AW are the younger generation, the kids that are coming up and grow
44:00
going into wrestling through Ring of Honor and AW, you know, and Ring
44:04
of Honor has a lot of that and I enjoy that. Plus, if
44:07
you like women's wrestling, Ring of Honor relies heavily on women's wrestling, so
44:14
that's a place to go. And their pay per views are outstanding. I
44:20
love the wrestling and their pay per views. Even though the matches are not
44:23
with some would consider marquee matches, they're always good. I mean great,
44:32
you know. I just I can't really say enough about how surprisingly good Ring
44:39
of Honor has been to me. And I'd like this hear what everybody else's
44:44
thoughts are about Ring of Honor And do you think there's a place for Ring
44:47
of Honor in this AW centric world of ours? Okay, so I like
44:57
the concept of RO eight. I don't watch it as much as I probably
45:00
want to. My biggest problem with R o H is it's it's involved too
45:07
much in a w right now. They have way too much crossover. You
45:13
have you have crossover but not there's a lot less they have, but until
45:22
they get rid of the Kingdom. That's really all there is though right now.
45:31
But the thing is with r o H, it's got a history.
45:36
I think what the problem with r o H was when they closed it down
45:39
for that short amount of time before Tony bought it. I think that kind
45:43
of killed r o h's momentum. And now that he brought that that Tony
45:47
owns it. I think the problem is that people who are casual fans can't
45:52
differentiate between the two and they don't get they don't they don't look at r
45:59
o H as what it was before because r o H has a much deeper
46:04
history than a W or T n A. So, you know, I
46:09
think there's a I would like to see them separate it more so that you
46:16
get it to the point where r o H can get back to the glory
46:19
that he used to be, right because I mean, think about it.
46:23
You've got how many guys on the AW roster worked in r o H before
46:30
they worked anywhere else and held the title Adam Cole the Bucks. I mean,
46:37
there's a lot of people on the WWE roster to work the thing before
46:42
they really made their name anywhere else, and that's the thing. I think
46:46
that's what's missing in r OH now I see it. I think that they
46:51
have a lot of younger wrestlers at r o H that are going to be
46:53
big deals, you know, five years from now. And so so I
47:00
mean, I'm gonna be honest with you, Lee Johnson. Uh, he's
47:04
terrific. He's really, really, really good and you know he's been a
47:09
jobber at AW but he's really doing well a r o H. And I
47:15
that's what I want to see. I want to see these people do that.
47:17
And then of course the biggest thing for r o H is that they've
47:21
got ian Rickaboni or I we like to call him here, but I mean
47:29
last week when he they had a Dalton Castle. I think Dalton Castle.
47:32
I can't remember who he wrestled, it doesn't matter, but ian Rickabonni when
47:37
he when Dalton Castle came to the ring and the camera scrolled down and ian
47:43
Rickabonni said something alluding to the fact that Dalton Castle's package and and at the
47:53
absolutely what he meant was he wasn't talking about his package, but he was
47:59
talking about the entire present. But where the camera was when he said it
48:05
and it was his his uh. His fellow commentator was just like it was
48:14
just like an eating Bree moment. You know it was you know it was
48:16
something. But anyway, what about you, Alex? What is what are
48:21
your thoughts on Ring of Honor? Do you get a chance to watch it
48:22
at all? Like you know, I've watched every Ring of Honor pay per
48:28
view since they've been a part of a w and I agree they've all been
48:30
like fantastic pay per views, better than they have any right to be.
48:37
I don't really watch the weekly show, and I'm not I've subscribed a couple
48:42
times to Honor Club, but I immediately canceled after the pay per views have
48:46
been finished because I just don't really have that extra time to always like commit
48:52
to watching two hours or whatever Ring of Honor shows a week. Yeah,
48:58
like what I've seen her good, and I feel like maybe it's asking too
49:04
much to make people subscribe it, even though it's not too much. But
49:08
like if you just could have those matches on YouTube and then you're selling the
49:15
pay per views for maybe more money thirty or forty bucks, and have it
49:21
every four weeks, like maybe you get more people, you get more eyes
49:24
on Ring of Honor, probably ten times the amount of people would actually watch
49:29
the show, and it would probably be a lot better for those wrestlers.
49:34
I think Ring of Honor is like a lot better than AW Dark or AW
49:37
Elevation, But people look on those fondly, and I think it's just because
49:44
there's a paywall, and it's kind of unfortunate that that's what it is.
49:47
There's no question for me, the Ring of Honor is better than Dark and
49:51
Dark Elevation. Yeah, Ingott. One of the things a Ring of Honor
49:54
does really well is story They really do a lot of storytelling and of Honor.
50:01
Where AW is known more for like great matches with storytelling mixed in it's,
50:07
Ring of Honor is much more even keeled with equal amounts of storytelling and
50:14
uh and great matches. And you know it's weird, you know, you
50:19
say that you don't have the time, and I understand that I don't have
50:22
the time to watch Ring of Honor, but I flip it on and you
50:27
know, I've watched the entire show and I'm like, damn it, you
50:30
know, so yeah, and I probably would. I feel like the app
50:35
isn't great either. I remember when I have had it, like watching old
50:39
trying to watch old Ring of Honor pay per views and stuff like. It's
50:43
been a little flow Like having it on YouTube might be a little bit nicer.
50:47
It's just a better app. I don't know. Yeah, but I
50:52
wish I watched it, but I don't think it was part of the Max
50:54
subscription. Yeah, then you get the added benefit of even if like AW
51:00
was part of backs at AW on its library. I think that's one of
51:04
the biggest things that would sure AW so many more eyes, is just having
51:07
a library out there to watch. Yeah, easily if you had all the
51:12
AW pay per views, you have all the Ring of Honor pay per views.
51:15
Maybe they put compilations of like best Brian Danielson matches from Ring of Honor
51:21
and stuff like that, that would be great. Well, do that on
51:23
the Honor Club. They do that on Honor Club where they have special features
51:28
on their long but whatever, I'm sorry that go ahead. No, it
51:32
was I was just thinking that that would be really nice, the best of
51:37
kind of packages. I tried watching it, subscribing and watching it a couple
51:43
of times. I just couldn't stick with it, So I think it was
51:47
the time factor planning out that time to watch it. So yeah, I
51:53
think if they maybe moved it somewhere else, made it accessible to everyone,
52:00
then a lot more people would watch it because I do think it's a good
52:04
show. I watch a lot of the women's matches on there whenever I can.
52:07
I've liked a lot of the pay per views that I've seen, So
52:13
they need to make it a little more see, you know, accessible for
52:19
everyone across the board. That I think that subscription is is prohibitive to the
52:25
to the average fan, and that's too bad because it is a good show.
52:31
So that's my two cents. Well, let's wrap it up here.
52:42
What do you say? So? I think this is a really interesting talk
52:46
that we had tonight. We'll be back tomorrow night with all we talk with
52:53
our Dynamite review and uh probably going to be talking about some of hopefully new
53:01
matches set for Forbidden Door. Uh so we'll see you tomorrow night. For
53:10
the a W fanhob podcast team, this was ignition, This is Kelson,
53:19
Good night everybody. She took my line I was gonna say, my god,
53:25
O all right, m such as life, I'm gonna go suck my
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thumb now, don't forget