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  Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those
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  Speaker 1: your healthcare provider of choice regarding any personal changes to
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  Speaker 1: your health or treatment plan. What if the next great
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  Speaker 1: technological revolution isn't about changing our phones, our cars, or
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  Speaker 1: our computers, but changing the human body itself? Around the
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  Speaker 1: world people are experimenting with technology, implants, genetic engineering, and
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  Speaker 1: biohacking in an effort to become stronger, younger, smarter, even
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  Speaker 1: more attractive. But where does improving the human body end?
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  Speaker 1: and attempting to redesign God's design for humanity begin? Are
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  Speaker 1: we already taking the first steps towards merging humanity with technology?
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  Speaker 1: And what happens if we go too far? We're going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking about all of that today, right now. Hello, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back to Life TV Now, where we unpack
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  Speaker 1: all matters of truth, faith, and freedom. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Artishorn. Today's program is a powder keg of very
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  Speaker 1: timely information, and I can't wait to dive in. But
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  Speaker 1: before we do, let me introduce who's here. She's an
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  Speaker 1: integrative nutrition health coach with a master of science and
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  Speaker 1: health education. Please welcome our executive director, Jamie Woodall. And
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  Speaker 1: she's a credentialed ordained reverend with a degree in Bible
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  Speaker 1: and theology, a powerful voice in Christian television. Please welcome
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  Speaker 1: Donna Howell. Now I mean it. When you go online,
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  Speaker 1: when you go to your places of employment, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I go to church. I'm not joking.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like everywhere I go, I'm seeing Botox, lip injections.
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  Speaker 1: The surgeries are getting younger and younger. Girls in their
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  Speaker 1: 20s trying to be Instagram stars are now having the
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  Speaker 1: bottoms of their eyelids split so they can shorten the
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  Speaker 1: distance between the skin at their eyelid and their cheek
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  Speaker 1: because they're already feeling like their beauty and vanity is
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  Speaker 1: fleeting and they've got to keep up with the trends.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is something much more than just 30 years ago
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  Speaker 1: when I was a kid when people only did things
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  Speaker 1: like cosmetic surgery. They are now wanting to bioengineer themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Let's integrate our bodies with technology. How many of you
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  Speaker 1: remember my father, the late Dr. Thomas Horn? Transhumanism, conversations.
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  Speaker 1: He did this all across the nation. We produced documentaries
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  Speaker 1: on the human enhancement revolution. And if he were alive today,
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  Speaker 1: I think he would marvel at some of the things
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  Speaker 1: that he prophesied would happen, but I think he might
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  Speaker 1: be a little bit surprised at how fast. I think
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  Speaker 1: he was thinking we might have had another decade before
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  Speaker 1: we were well into some of the stuff that you
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  Speaker 1: see taking place now. People aren't satisfied anymore with diet, lifestyle,
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  Speaker 1: putting in the work, putting in the effort. Whatever happened
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  Speaker 1: to the notion of aging gracefully and just letting your
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  Speaker 1: hair be whatever it is, right? Take good care of
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  Speaker 1: your body and look normal or natural, right? People are
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  Speaker 1: doing things called peptide injections. And I want to start there, Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: because it's not just peptide injections. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: stuff they're doing to kind of hack themselves, artificially tan themselves. Like, friends,
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, there are going to be some consequences
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  Speaker 1: in a few years to us being the experiment on
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  Speaker 1: some of these emergent approaches to trying to retain youth
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  Speaker 1: for longer than is humanly possible without these interventions on
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  Speaker 1: the front side, but some fairly diabolical consequences, I suspect,
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  Speaker 1: that we don't even know about.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I think we are literally finding out we are the
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  Speaker 1: guinea pigs in a lot of this. And I want
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  Speaker 1: to say right at the onset, I am not vehemently
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  Speaker 1: opposed to qualified physician-guided peptide support. These can be used incrementally,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes through a therapeutic season of life to get your,
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  Speaker 1: let's say, metabolism recovered, okay? I myself have done peptides
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  Speaker 1: like sermoralin and thymosin for inflammation, for sleep. I do
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  Speaker 1: not live on them, but I know that I have
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  Speaker 1: good friends that I trust very much that are well
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  Speaker 1: into the daily and for multiple years applications of peptide injections.
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  Speaker 1: I have a dear friend with Sjogren's disease who had
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  Speaker 1: dry eyes and dry mouth for over 20 years, who
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  Speaker 1: now gives credit to peptide therapy as guided by her rheumatologist, right?
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  Speaker 1: This man is an expert in autoimmune condition and remission
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  Speaker 1: of those things. He's also a believer in the Lord
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. And his belief is that these things can
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  Speaker 1: be done therapeutically to help put into remission conditions like Sjogren's.
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  Speaker 1: She is doing much better. She's able to produce tears.
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  Speaker 1: She credits these therapies a lot for giving her life back,
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  Speaker 1: her vitality. She was bedridden, you guys. There's a good
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  Speaker 1: friend of mine named Shelly was bedridden. Now she's sending
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  Speaker 1: me pictures of her painting walls and like renovating homes.
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  Speaker 1: And she's also up to speed with the ethical harvesting
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  Speaker 1: of stem cells and the research there. So these are
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  Speaker 1: not aborted babies. When I say ethically harvested stem cells,
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  Speaker 1: these are mothers who have a holistic view of life
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  Speaker 1: that want to help others when their babies have been
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  Speaker 1: born with consent and brought into the world who have
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  Speaker 1: great homes and they've got a life ahead of them.
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  Speaker 1: rather than discard those cells, they're giving them to science
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  Speaker 1: for research or they're donating them to those that need them.
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  Speaker 1: And so we are seeing some very positive. I say
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  Speaker 1: this because I don't want you to immediately assume that
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  Speaker 1: Joe Horn is coming through the lens of all new
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  Speaker 1: emergent science bad.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: There's a difference.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very open to where these things can be responsibly
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  Speaker 1: investigated for benefit to humanity. And I say that in
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  Speaker 1: part because here's the thing. A lot of what is
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  Speaker 1: happening to us as human beings inherently just being on
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  Speaker 1: the planet right now is happening without our consent in
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  Speaker 1: the opposite direction. So you're being poisoned whether you consented
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  Speaker 1: to it or not. You're breathing things that are in
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  Speaker 1: the environment. You're consuming things in your food that are
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  Speaker 1: already having devastating, diabolical in some cases, metabolic effects on
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  Speaker 1: your health. And I am one of those that believes
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  Speaker 1: it is entirely possible that to keep up with the
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  Speaker 1: scale of damage that's being done to our bodies, God
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  Speaker 1: is introducing aspects of his medicine that we were just
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  Speaker 1: simply scientifically incapable of comprehending before, but now we can.
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  Speaker 1: So as long as it's not changing our genome, as
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  Speaker 1: long as I'm not blending my DNA with some animal
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  Speaker 1: species and I'm no longer human the way God created me,
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind being open to aspects of his emergent science.
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  Speaker 1: If it's not altering me as a human being, but
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  Speaker 1: it instead is supporting my already inherent God-given metabolic process,
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  Speaker 1: but it's fighting back against the fact that I might
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  Speaker 1: have very high aluminum toxicity or some autoimmune condition that
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  Speaker 1: has been worsened by the food that I ate or
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  Speaker 1: consumed for 30 years in ignorance. So with that kind
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  Speaker 1: of setup right out of the gate, I'm not immediately
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  Speaker 1: disparaging all of peptides. Right. As you'll see in this program,
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  Speaker 1: I am going to caution and put up some bumper
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  Speaker 1: rails and perimeters for where I think this should be
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  Speaker 1: done and where it may not be wise. Jamie, for
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  Speaker 1: those that are sitting here going, okay, he said the
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  Speaker 1: word peptide like a hundred times. Is that a pink
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  Speaker 1: capsule that I take for heartburn? What are peptide injections?
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  Speaker 1: And in your opinion, why is this trend now spreading
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  Speaker 1: like wildfire?
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  Speaker 2: Well, a peptide is natural. It is basically a short
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  Speaker 2: chain of amino acids that in our body, they activate
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  Speaker 2: specific pathways. And really what you were saying, it's not
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  Speaker 2: new that people want to improve themselves. I mean, forever
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  Speaker 2: people have been getting enhancements and cheek implants or whatever, surgery,
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  Speaker 2: maybe a nose job.
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  Speaker 1: Liposuction.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. But you know, when I was younger, that was
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  Speaker 2: always for the more wealthy. It wasn't really within reach
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  Speaker 2: for most of us. If we don't like our nose, well,
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  Speaker 2: I probably can't afford to do anything about it. But
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  Speaker 2: things are changing now. We have more access to things,
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  Speaker 2: which is good and bad. So people are now having
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  Speaker 2: access to these peptides. In a vial, you use a
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  Speaker 2: syringe to administer it subcutaneously mostly. And they're using them
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  Speaker 2: to enhance certain or activate certain pathways to maybe maximize
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  Speaker 2: their looks, make them look better. So let me give
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  Speaker 2: you some examples because a lot of people may be like, well,
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  Speaker 2: what even is a peptide? What is this? Now, these
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  Speaker 2: are just a few of the really popular ones. You
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  Speaker 2: may have heard these mentioned on social media like TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: There is one called BPC-157, that one is extremely popular.
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  Speaker 2: This one is used for tissue repair, cellular regeneration. People
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  Speaker 2: might use them for anti-aging efforts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say anti-aging.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. There's another one, CJC1295. This one stimulates the
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  Speaker 2: growth hormone. Another famous one is GHKCU. This is used
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  Speaker 2: by a lot of women for hair and nails to
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  Speaker 2: help them grow and to look more healthy. And then
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  Speaker 2: there's another one, and this is actually a synthetic peptide
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  Speaker 2: that is hitting mainstream, and it is called melanotan. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is something that they use to increase... the pigment
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  Speaker 2: in the skin to make them look more tan, give
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  Speaker 2: them a darker appearance. So peptides aren't new because people
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  Speaker 2: have been injecting insulin for decades and that's a peptide,
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  Speaker 2: that's a hormone peptide. Also the collagen that I put
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  Speaker 2: in my coffee every day, that is also a peptide.
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  Speaker 2: So these aren't inherently new or evil, They are, for
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  Speaker 2: the most part, other than the synthetic ones, they are natural.
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  Speaker 2: But the issue is, what are we using them for?
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  Speaker 2: Where are we sourcing them from?
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  Speaker 1: That's huge.
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  Speaker 2: What route? Are we taking it? Are we ingesting it?
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  Speaker 2: Are we putting it, which is not natural, to inject
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  Speaker 2: them into your body? And what is the data on this?
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  Speaker 2: This is taken over. It's all over TikTok. And this
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  Speaker 2: is a lot of the younger generation that do spend
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  Speaker 2: a lot more time on social media. So these are
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  Speaker 2: being promoted through influencers. And it is often the influencers
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  Speaker 2: that are selling them or telling you where to go
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  Speaker 2: to get them. So they are often getting some type
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  Speaker 2: of monetary benefit.
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  Speaker 1: Compensation or kickback.
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  Speaker 2: Compensation, yeah, for promoting these.
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  Speaker 1: And just for clarity, if you're watching the show, yes,
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  Speaker 1: what Jamie is describing is not you go see your
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  Speaker 1: physician or your naturopath of choice and they do something
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  Speaker 1: therapeutic for a duration that they deem is good for
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  Speaker 1: your body based on your bio-individuality. You're talking about whole cloth,
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  Speaker 1: order on some dot-com and then self-administer at home, right?
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  Speaker 1: And how many people out there have heard the old, well,
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  Speaker 1: more is good, so even more than that must be better, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: we have no way of knowing. right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What the data in a few years is going to
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  Speaker 1: bear out when you're introducing human growth hormones to your body.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe the sourcing is not crisp. Let's say there
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  Speaker 1: are biocontaminants and then you're self-administering because you want that
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  Speaker 1: extra bump. I see this as potentially disastrous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because we don't know. Again, we are the experiment. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not doing this, but the people that are doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the social pressure has to be a driver for this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: People with their filters, I don't even know that you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at their actual face. How many of these people
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  Speaker 1: are using beauty filters and then selling you a peptide
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  Speaker 1: to make you look younger? Anyway, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not here to discuss if these are
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  Speaker 2: effective or not. Peptides are a natural substance. and they
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  Speaker 2: do activate certain pathways, which is why we have to
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  Speaker 2: be incredibly careful. This is insurmountable. The amount of consequences
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  Speaker 2: that could come from this if it is not managed
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  Speaker 2: correctly dosed correctly, administered correctly. And there are so many
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  Speaker 2: variables that you can't always account for. There are some
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  Speaker 2: side effects, mostly minor, some injection site, discomfort reaction, a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of pain, maybe an infection, worst case for
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  Speaker 2: the injection site.
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  Speaker 1: Of the ones that people are reporting so far.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But this is like literally over the last 12 months,
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  Speaker 1: like a craze. Yeah. I mean, we've gone from, I'm
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  Speaker 1: serious and I'm in health. So I've gone from hearing
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  Speaker 1: the rumors of their emergence in therapeutic dosing to now TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: You can order them online.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, right. So the reason that this is so concerning
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  Speaker 2: is because some of these that stimulate cell growth, which
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  Speaker 2: when you think in a therapeutic environment under the guidance
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  Speaker 2: of a physician, maybe this could be helpful, but there
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  Speaker 2: are unknowns.
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  Speaker 1: There are too.
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  Speaker 2: Many unknowns and there's no long-term science to this. There's
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of long-term studies of any of this.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think it is very practical to step
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  Speaker 2: back and think, well, How many times do we have
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  Speaker 2: mutated cells that our body is getting rid of? Our
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  Speaker 2: immune system's working and it's getting rid of it. But
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  Speaker 2: what if you have, now this is just hypothetical because
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  Speaker 2: we don't know, what if you are taking these that
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to stimulate cell growth and you happen to
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  Speaker 2: have maybe a small tumor or a little clump of
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  Speaker 2: tumor cells? What is there to regulate that? and make
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  Speaker 2: it so that that does not grow because cancer cells
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  Speaker 2: already inherently, what makes them cancer cells and makes them
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  Speaker 2: so dangerous is that they have this unlimited ability to
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  Speaker 2: replicate and avoid the immune system and avoid cell death,
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  Speaker 2: which is apoptosis that is supposed to happen naturally with
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  Speaker 2: a healthy human being. If you are artificially stimulating your
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  Speaker 2: body to grow cells, We don't know the consequences. And
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  Speaker 2: another attribute to cancer is that it has the ability
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  Speaker 2: to form blood vessels to feed itself. And if you're
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  Speaker 2: taking something that already stimulates that, it just could be
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  Speaker 2: dangerous and we need to be very, very careful because
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  Speaker 2: of the unknowns.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, the manufacturers will tell you that they've
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  Speaker 1: established these perimeters and their stuff is likely FDA approved.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not here to litigate whether or not these companies
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  Speaker 1: have any science at all that could even point at it. No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Those outcomes are not quantifiable. There's no pathology that says
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  Speaker 1: that this does that thing that you're worried about. But
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  Speaker 1: you don't need for them to admit that this is
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  Speaker 1: a possibility for me to go, no, I think this
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  Speaker 1: is a possibility. And we're tinkering with people's bio-individuality. So
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  Speaker 1: you could have 50 people in a room and maybe
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  Speaker 1: some of them are the ones that have this bent
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  Speaker 1: toward their body And I'll give you an example. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe there's a reason their body's already not producing a
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  Speaker 1: certain cell type because its bio-individuality was designed by God
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  Speaker 1: and in that human in order to keep their personal
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  Speaker 1: immune system in balance and in check from those malevolent things.
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  Speaker 1: It's purposefully withholding, based on the pH balance of your
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  Speaker 1: body or its own chemistry, it's purposely withholding the very
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  Speaker 1: thing that you're wanting to see take place. And now
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  Speaker 1: you're artificially mandating by decree that your body just cope
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  Speaker 1: with this human growth peptide Yeah. Because you want a
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  Speaker 1: certain outcome. I feel sorry for the people that are
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  Speaker 1: doing this for vain reasons. I think we've lost our minds.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that normal people, you know, we're losing
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  Speaker 1: what is normal. So what would my reaction to that be?
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  Speaker 1: Bolster the immune system, try to get better sleep. Let's
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  Speaker 1: take nutrition that gives me vitamin B that I can
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  Speaker 1: methylate as a person with MTHFR. And then hydration. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a humongous proponent of hydrating with salt and things like magnesium, potassium,
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  Speaker 1: so that your body can actually receive hydration. People with Sjogren's,
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  Speaker 1: if you're listening, likely drinking distilled water is not doing
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  Speaker 1: a lot for you. You probably should hydrate with things
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  Speaker 1: like salt, something to ask your physician about. But the
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  Speaker 1: point is, I feel that it's unnatural to go to
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  Speaker 1: these extremes, not just financially, but because of the unknowns.
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  Speaker 1: I would be very uncomfortable if one of my teenage
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  Speaker 1: daughters said, hey, daddy, can I ask you about peptide injections?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I need to keep up with the trends.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be saying, not just no, but absolutely no.
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  Speaker 2: Never.
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  Speaker 1: Let's dig into that, though. But why are you feeling
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  Speaker 1: inept or inadequate or behind culture? What is that about?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Otherwise, where does this end?
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  Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't want my kids to either. There's no data.
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  Speaker 2: You can't find a lot of data on some of
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  Speaker 2: the more serious side effects. But what you can find,
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  Speaker 2: and this is maybe one of the silver linings to
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  Speaker 2: social media, is people are getting on there and they
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  Speaker 2: are talking about their experiences. A lot of them positive.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to take this for hair and
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  Speaker 2: nails and oh, look, I'm so pretty. But you will
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  Speaker 2: also find people who were like, I went to the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: I almost died. I had headaches every day. So people
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  Speaker 2: are having negative, adverse side effects to these. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: some people have even gone to the hospital with anaphylaxis. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're having anaphylaxis to a peptide, especially
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  Speaker 2: if it's a natural peptide. That's probably unlikely. But the sourcing,
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  Speaker 2: what's in these vials, as you mentioned earlier, if these
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  Speaker 2: are so widespread, and to make them affordable for the
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  Speaker 2: majority of the population... Where are they getting them? Some
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  Speaker 2: of them are coming from China. And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: everything from China is bad. What I'm saying is there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of unregulated sources. And so they could be
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  Speaker 2: having these hyperreactions to what's in the vial. Some of
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  Speaker 2: the vials, when they have been looked at, don't contain
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  Speaker 2: the amount of that peptide that they're advertised to have.
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  Speaker 2: Some have none. Some have the contaminants in there. There
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  Speaker 2: are so many unknowns. And then you don't know how
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  Speaker 2: your body is going to react to artificially injecting this
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: excessive amount of peptide that your body maybe would not
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: normally be making.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Well, and then cocktails. So people are taking three, four,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: five of these different ones for different things. Stacking. Oh, no.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: So very quickly, I'm going to tell you something super funny,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and then I'm going to get my next question for Jamie,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: but I got to share this. As you were talking
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: about feeling better, one of my favorite friends, and he
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: is so smart, and he's an intellectual tower of a human,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: but his name is Dr. Ralph Umbriaco. He's been on
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: this program. He He sat in this studio and talked
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: with us about kinesiology and muscle testing. But I was
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: talking to him one time about how so many people
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: are flocking to gimmicks that make them feel better. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: some of this even affects the supplement market. These things
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: are being gimmicked to sell more units and they'll give
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you a bump of something. They're like the underlying component
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to the supplement is caffeine. And I'm not saying caffeine
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: is evil, but there's a reason that you feel kind
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: of like you have more energy that day. But what's
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that doing to your adrenals? Is it supporting it? Are
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: you doing it too much? Are you taking too much?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Are you getting too much caffeine? Is that dehydrating you,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: et cetera? The list goes on and on. And Dr.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Ralph said something hilarious. He said, I'm going to bust
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: up right here. He goes, well, if you just want
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to feel better, cocaine is very good at that. Now,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: in context, he was not suggesting that anyone start doing cocaine. Right, yes.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: He was pointing out the irony in people chasing the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: pursuit of feeling better temporarily at the expense of their
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: long-term health. Right. Because he followed that by saying, but
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: obviously we already know that cocaine leads to very rapid death.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And for the people that don't die right away, they
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: have paranoia, losing their teeth, their hair, their things, their bag,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the eyes. It's a life destroyer.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: But his point, though he jest, his point was that
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: if you were just pursuing feeling good for a minute,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: there are illegal ways to do that real fast. Anyway.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I think all of this leads to a bigger conversation.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: And now I'm not talking about people who are taking
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it to try to get healthy. I'm talking about a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: presumably healthy body taking this to enhance something. Now, there's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: another trend I want to briefly mention because this is
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: also all over social media. And if you haven't seen it,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: you might have a kid or grandkid who has seen it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And this is called looks maxing. Now this is just
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: a relabeling of something women might call a glow up.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: This is mostly the younger male demographic and it can
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: be soft maxing, which is just, you got a haircut,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: maybe you changed your style. very subtle things where you're
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: just taking care of yourself to improve your looks. Then
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you kind of have your medium range maxing and that
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: is where you're taking peptides to give yourself a tan
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: or you're taking testosterone. Maybe even Botox would fit into
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: that category. But the one that Really, it started as
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: a joke, but influencers are now kind of promoting this,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and that is hard maxing and often involves bone smashing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Has anybody heard of bone smashing?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: No.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: It is men are trying to seek that chiseled jaw
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: line and they are punching themselves in the chin or
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: they're taking things. And the idea behind it, which is
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: completely misled, is that if you damage it, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the swelling might make it a little more pronounced, but also.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: In hopes that maybe your face would heal in a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: restructuring way. Now, there is no evidence for that whatsoever.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: That is not a thing. But you know how social
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: media is. People see things and they go with it
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and they go try it. So some of these things
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: are really harmful. Now there's biohacking, people seeking longevity. Now
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: these circles, they go a little bit deeper into enhancement.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: They want to use stem cells or gene-based approaches to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: help them artificially through natural means, air quotes, live longer.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And the problem is people are seeking risky, unproven things.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: to achieve something outside of maybe their biological norm. Now,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about people who are sick and they're
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: trying to use stem cell therapy or something to become healthy.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: What I'm talking about are people who are trying to
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: enhance their bodies beyond what is normal for their biology
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: through using some very risky therapies.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the person watching the show may be saying
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to themselves, okay, but who gets to decide normal and
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: what is normal? So I would describe that, and this
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: can be my opinion and you can disagree with this,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but I would describe normal as whatever it is that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: God inherently engineered you to be when he gave you life.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: With permission, with permission. Because he does allow a lot
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: of difficulty. I have been in my life, MTHFR, autoimmunity,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I have struggled. Now, we're not going to get into
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: all of that today. Did God curse me with genetics
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: when he could have made me robust? Like Jamie's husband,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Big John, right? Maybe I should have got his genes.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I'm jealous, right? I could stand to look a little
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: more like Big John too, by the way. We'll bring
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: up a picture of Big John so you know what
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about. That's right, Jamie Woodle. We're bringing up
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Big John. Am I living under a curse that my
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: genetics maybe disadvantaged me in comparison to my neighbor? Well,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: this is a very long unpack. I have found it
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: unfortunate that I have had to work at times as
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: hard as I have with the shell pack that God
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: offered me. when he designed me in my mother's womb
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in that I have had to work very, very hard.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And I don't say this to beg for more lessons
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: in humility. I just say out loud, I am not
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the same human being that I would have been if
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: life for me had been a lot easier. I, for example,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: in my early age, wanted to be an MMA fighter.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And I had all these wild ideas of things I
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: want to do, bing, bing, bing. I would never become
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a child advocate without some of those setbacks that made
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: me slow down for a minute and learn. And now,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I'm a board-certified holistic health practitioner, so I've learned a ton,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: but I want to continue that education. I would have
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: no interest. My mom is sitting here today. Mom, at
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: age 10, would I have had any interest whatsoever in
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: helping others with their metabolic health if I had ended
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: up as a cage fighter? I would not be empathetic.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I would not care at all. So God has allowed
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: me to live out my bio-individuality. We're not talking about
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: restoring health. We're talking about inherently healthy people trying to
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: keep up with cosmetic trends at the potential hazard of
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: their own future selves that might someday in a decade
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: from now, look back and go, somebody somewhere should have said,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: put these dumb things down. Well, ladies and gentlemen, before
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: we go any further, if you're trying to take control
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: of your blood sugar, metabolic health, weight, or even your
• 24:47
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• 26:03
  Speaker 1: out of time, though, why are people afraid of normal? Seriously,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: why are people afraid of normal aging, wrinkles, body fat,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: normal amounts of body fat, you know, human limitations?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Well, and you know, there's nothing wrong with wanting to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: be your healthiest, most attractive self. There's nothing wrong with
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: wanting to live a long, full life. I think a
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: lot of this has really come from social media. Like
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: it used to be the movies, you'd have these beautiful
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: movie stars and, oh, I want to look like her. Well,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: now it's appears to be the common person on social media,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: just all of a sudden is looks maxing or glowing
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: up or looking absolutely beautiful and not always just from
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: exercise and healthy diet. They're getting other help. And so
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: my caution is twofold. One is we keep moving the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: goalpost of perfection. Where's the line? Where's the line going
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to end?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: There isn't one right now. Exactly. Right.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: So where do we... We're going from optimizing health in
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: our bodies to maybe moving into redesigning it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: So how far are we going to go? Are we
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: going to go all the way into transcending natural limitations?
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Now that gets us into transhumanism.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the goal right now.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: The goalpost keeps moving. And it seems like, with caution,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: could this be, Christians, we need to use our discernment
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Is this normalizing it? Is it the first stepping stone,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: or maybe the third, into accepting more transhumanistic approaches to
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: enhancing our bodies?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I think for sure. And Donna, you can weigh in
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: on this. We're just about out of time, but we
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: did a film on this over a decade ago called Inhuman.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It's so long, it had to take place on two DVDs,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: if you can remember a DVD player. Derek Gilbert, Sharon Gilbert,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: of course, once again, my father, Thomas Horne, Dr. Thomas
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Horne was in the film. I had a brief stint
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: in the film talking about human genome and prion contamination.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: But yes, I believe that all of this glowing up
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and this over glamorization and a culture that's constantly being
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: told that being a human being isn't enough anymore.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: That all of the things we talked about from human enhancement,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the need to keep up to integrate with technology, we're
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: already enhanced. If you have a cell phone, you've already enhanced. Right.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: 30 years ago, you would never have been able to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: keep up in terms of your calendar, your workload, all
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the things you had to schedule. Bing, there's an email
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: corresponding with a guy in France in one second. Now
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: we're back. The pace at which our brains are doing
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: like this wouldn't have been possible back when you had
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to read things on paper and send somebody a handwritten letter.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: So the idea of enhancing ourselves, to me, I just
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: see it as eventual. It's inevitable. It's inevitable. And again,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: we don't have time today to get into the apocalyptic
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: scenarios that then bring in the rise of the beast
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: system or Christ's necessary return to save us from ourselves.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: But Donna, a culture that's constantly being told that normal
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: isn't good enough, human isn't good enough, don't you see
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: all of these, not even as the initial steps, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: they're getting better with technology at hybridizing cells. I think
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: if the Lord tarries, we will see in our lifetimes
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: people that are beginning to have things literally implanted into
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: their body that is supposed to be a neural network
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: connection with the human brain, so that when your brain
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: is tired and it's done its automatic processes, this other
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: device kicks in and it tells the cells to do this.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And perhaps nanobot technology is working on your behalf to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: make sure this, make sure that, irreversibly inhuman. Do you agree?
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: And you know, while you're sitting there talking about, you know,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: this chip that takes care of the brain when it's
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: tired or whatever, I immediately go to neuroprosthetics. I mean,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: there's the narrative that these things are very good and
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: there are parts of that narrative that are true. I mean,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: if a person goes and they join a war and
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: they are a good soldier and they lose their leg
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: in battle, now there's a neuroprosthetic. No longer is it
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: a wooden leg that goes clunk, step, clunk, step. It's
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: literally a prosthetic that communicates neurologically with the human brain
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: and it responds through digital processing, through your biology that
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: tells this leg what to do. We're there.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: That's old news.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And I love that technology for that man. It is
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: not evil. I love that he has a better leg.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: But that leg is not fundamentally rewriting his human genome
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and changing him. That's the difference. We're not talking about
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: therapeutic uses for somebody that lost a limb. We're talking
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: about saying, I'm healthy, I'm normal, but it's not good
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: enough anymore. And in order to keep up with everybody else,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to enhance or fall irreparably behind.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: But the exact same narrative, the people will come forward saying, look,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: we've had neuroprosthetics. We're already desensitized to what the dangers
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: could be. Now we're going to do this to enhance whatever.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: That's the new normal.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So the idea that there was something good that
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: launched this kind of technology is the exact same reason
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: why it will be used for nefarious reasons later.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Right, always.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: One of the things that was really, really clicking when
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: you guys were talking is I was sitting here and
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I could not let go of what you said earlier
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: when you said, When I was a kid, I mean,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: it was a rich and famous thing that you would
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: go get rhinoplasty or facelift or whatever. You just didn't
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: do that if you were one of the normal lowly
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: folks who aren't living full time in LA or Hollywood
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: or whatever. One of the things that has got me
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: going this whole episode is the fact that Snapchat filters,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: TikTok filters, there's filters on everything you see digitally. And
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: then everybody in their actual body is getting everything, fillers, Botox, whatever,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: The norm, as it would have been recognized in 1980,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: was she has a big nose, but guess what? You
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: would have never even seen it. you would have been
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: oblivious to the idea that this girl's nose isn't perfect.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: You didn't even see the physical flaws because everybody collectively
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and universally had physical flaws, small as they may be,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: large as they may be.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: But we got used to it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Now, because of what we are seeing online.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Copy paste, cookie cutter beauty.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: We're swiping everything. Now, the norm in our mind, we
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: look in the mirror and it's like, I can't even
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: leave the house because of this nose or this hair
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: or those whatever. So the norm has quite literally, whether
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: we like it or not, been injected into our brains,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: into our eyes, into our vision every single day.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: That is part of what I see.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And so those people who want a human community, who
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: are willing to kind of unplug from all this digitech world,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Those are going to be the people that, again, once
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: upon a time, just like before, they don't see the flaw.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: It's human community, right?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. So what do we do when the world
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: is desensitizing us in these minute collective ways? Well, we
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: go to the word of God. In Genesis 1, 27
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and verse 31, so God created mankind in his own image.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: In the image of God, he created them. And verse
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: 31 is God saw all that he made and it
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: was good. So we're not saying don't strive for health.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, by all means, please work on your gut health,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: be healthy, exercise, try to live a long life. God
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: wants us to have a high quality life and a
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: relationship with him as well. We have to not be
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: desensitized by the world. So also in 1 Samuel 16, 7,'
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: For the Lord sees not as man sees. Man looks
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.'
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: We have to ground ourselves in the word of God
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: because the world leads us astray and makes you think
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: you're not good enough, but you are. God's more concerned
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: about what is in your heart than he is about
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: if your nose is perfect or if you're the perfect weight.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: We have to focus on what does God say about us?
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: It matters more about what he thinks. So we as
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Christians have to ask ourselves when we are considering these risky,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: unproven therapies that might, air quote, enhance our bodies. Are
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: we choosing to do this to glorify God or are
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: we trying to glorify ourselves?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I think that was a very sober place to end
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: this conversation today. I certainly don't want to have to
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: follow that. Unfortunately, we're all out of time. I hope
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you guys learned something today. I hope this ministered to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: your heart. If you're watching this program and maybe you've
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: been grappling with, I'm not good enough, I've gotta enhance,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I've gotta pursue what my friends at school and the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: high school kids, and oh my word, I gotta chase
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the lips and the eyes and the ears. If anything else,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: look at Joe Horn's ugly mug for inspiration. Nobody wants
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: to clap at me self-deprecating. You can secretly take inspiration
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: from this. I will not make judgments. For everybody here
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: in studio, Jamie, Donna, thank you so much for joining
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: me again right here at Life TV Now. Keep your
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: eyes on the prize, which is Jesus Christ. We'll be back.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you.