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Baseball Beyond Belief On FOX From Writer Producer Director John Scheinfeld · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: the documentary, I've experienced the sport, I've experienced everything that
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  Speaker 1: you are sharing with us, and my God, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Thanks sir, I appreciate your having me. And this was
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  Speaker 2: just an inspiring film to make. One would not think
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  Speaker 2: that there's any discernible connection between baseball and faith based
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  Speaker 2: ball in religion, and when I read this book by
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  Speaker 2: John Sexton, I thought, Wow, this is such a fresh
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  Speaker 2: and original exploration and I just had to make a
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  Speaker 2: film about this. And we used the book as a
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  Speaker 2: foundation for it, but we sort of taken very different directions.
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  Speaker 2: But I just love the idea. If you think about it,
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  Speaker 2: you have a team down there, the Knights, right, yes,
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  Speaker 2: So if you think about the Nights, you have faith
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  Speaker 2: in them, you have doubt that maybe they will do well.
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  Speaker 2: You have a sacred time of the year, opening Day,
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  Speaker 2: much like Christmas or Easter are sacred times of the year.
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  Speaker 2: You have miracles, you have rituals, you have saints, you
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  Speaker 2: have sinners. And I just thought all of that coming
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  Speaker 2: together made for such a fascinating exploration. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: we try to do with our film, Baseball Beyond Belief.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that our greatest worship band here with
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  Speaker 1: the Charlotte Knights, has got to be on Dog Day
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  Speaker 1: where they sit there and ring a doorbell and every
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  Speaker 1: dog in the darn place just starts barking at everything.
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  Speaker 1: I live for those moments, dude. Is that right there?
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  Speaker 1: Is very spiritual to me? And it started with baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Well it is really you know, baseball has a lot
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  Speaker 2: of traditions and a lot of spiritual things around it.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what struck me arrow when I was
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  Speaker 2: making this film is you can go to the park,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a lot more going on than the the
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  Speaker 2: picture throwing to the batter. If you kind of slow
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  Speaker 2: down a bit and you watch, there's a lot going on.
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  Speaker 2: And isn't that really the same thing that's true in
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  Speaker 2: your faith and in your daily lives, that if you
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  Speaker 2: slow down and you kind of take more notice of
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  Speaker 2: what's going on around you, you can enrich your life
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  Speaker 2: in so many different ways.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, sake, I see a lot of brothers
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  Speaker 1: and sisters putting their hands on each other and hugging
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  Speaker 1: when something big is happening. It's that Southern preacher way.
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  Speaker 1: Is what's going on down here in the South?
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  Speaker 2: You bet? And you know, we had access to the
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  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball archive of footage, which is remarkable. We
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  Speaker 2: spent dozens and dozens of hours looking at footage to
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  Speaker 2: find just the right shots to illustrate what people are saying.
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  Speaker 2: And what you said is so true. We found so
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  Speaker 2: many shots of people holding their hands together in prayer
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  Speaker 2: when their favorite player is up at bat, or looking
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  Speaker 2: up in the sky hoping that they'll get some help
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  Speaker 2: with this game against their favorite you know, their favorite
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  Speaker 2: team to hate. And I just thought that was really
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  Speaker 2: so fascinating that the ways in which people pray, if
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  Speaker 2: you will, in baseball, and the ways that people pray
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  Speaker 2: in their faith, they're all kind of in this towards
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  Speaker 2: the same goal in a way which is enhancing your
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  Speaker 2: team or your faith.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you just sharing that with me instantly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking to that one shot in Chicago where that
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  Speaker 1: ball is stolen by a fan and for that one
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  Speaker 1: brief moment I had to pray for that player again
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  Speaker 1: because of me. It's saying, oh my God, that is
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  Speaker 1: a moment that that time can never, never, never forget,
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  Speaker 1: and you place it right in there at the right time.
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  Speaker 2: A moment that will live in infamy, that one, that's
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  Speaker 2: for sure. But you know, we in the course of
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  Speaker 2: the film, we show many different teams, many different teams,
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  Speaker 2: We show many different games and series, and I think
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  Speaker 2: your listeners are going to find a lot of different
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  Speaker 2: baseball aspects here that are going to put a smile
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  Speaker 2: on their face. And I think, again, you know, with
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  Speaker 2: everything that's going on in the world today, so it's
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  Speaker 2: a challenging place and I think there's no better time
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  Speaker 2: for a film that will be uplifting, inspiring, it'll touch
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  Speaker 2: your heart, it'll touch your humanity. It'll make you laugh,
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  Speaker 2: it'll make you cry, it'll make you think. And that's
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  Speaker 2: really what the power of film can be, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what we again, we are trying to accomplish with this picture.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you the little eleven or twelve year
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  Speaker 1: old baseball fan was kind of offended though when you
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  Speaker 1: put Pete Rose in there as one of the sinners,
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  Speaker 1: because the adult is going, I understand, I get it now,
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  Speaker 1: but that little eleven, twelve year old that's still inside
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  Speaker 1: of me is going. But Pete came to my town.
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  Speaker 1: Pete came to Billings, Montana. People don't come to Billings, Montana.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Rose came to Billings, Montana. So it's like I
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  Speaker 1: am torn between him being a center in this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's there are people who love Pete Rose
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  Speaker 2: because of what he did on the field. The problems
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, both baseball and religion. You have
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  Speaker 2: to have values, you have to do things the right way,
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  Speaker 2: both on the field and off the field. And I
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  Speaker 2: think the case that people are some of the people
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  Speaker 2: in our film are making is off the field, he
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  Speaker 2: did not do things the right way. His values, not
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  Speaker 2: the right values. Does not in any way denigrate what
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  Speaker 2: he accomplished as a player, but as a person, he
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  Speaker 2: at his frailties, and I think that's why some people
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  Speaker 2: view him as a sinner. I suppose you can look
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  Speaker 2: at Jackie Robinson, you can look at even some of
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  Speaker 2: the great players we have in our film, but there's
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  Speaker 2: so many that really did things the right way. Ernie Banks,
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  Speaker 2: thank Aaron Roberto Clemente, cal Ripkin Jr. All of those
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  Speaker 2: kind of guys did things the right way. So we
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  Speaker 2: kind of touch on both things. But I take your
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  Speaker 2: point about Pete Rose, but one has to look at
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  Speaker 2: things realistically.
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  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of that, some junk went down over the
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  Speaker 1: weekend in the way of this darn digital umpire. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god. Now I feel like the anti crisis
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  Speaker 1: come to baseball, or it's like something's not going to
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  Speaker 1: be right because the dang Ai technology changed the play
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that batter was out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like everything things move forward and things change.
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  Speaker 2: But I think one of the interesting things is that
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  Speaker 2: baseball has traditions that go back to the eighteen hundreds,
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  Speaker 2: and the game was played largely the same way in
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  Speaker 2: eighteen eighty, nineteen, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty twenty six. But yes,
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  Speaker 2: there are these new technological aspects of the game and
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  Speaker 2: we're just going to have to live with it. And
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  Speaker 2: it challenges our traditions, it challenges the way things we've
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  Speaker 2: always liked how they were done. But here we are,
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  Speaker 2: this is the world we're in. Like it or love it.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that baseball, to me, really does
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  Speaker 1: is it brings people together and every single one we
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  Speaker 1: could all be in the same row right there on
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  Speaker 1: the first baseline, and we're all going to have a
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  Speaker 1: different baseball story as to what's going on in that game.
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  Speaker 1: I love that about baseball because it forces conversation.
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  Speaker 2: It really does, and that's what's so interesting, because you're
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  Speaker 2: not all looking at the same thing. You can be
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  Speaker 2: looking right, you can be looking left, you can be
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  Speaker 2: looking straight ahead. And again, the other thing about a
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  Speaker 2: part is you go to the game and doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: what sex you are, what age you are, what race
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  Speaker 2: you are, what politics you have. You are united in
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  Speaker 2: your faith, in your team, and you can talk to
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  Speaker 2: the people next to you and it doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 2: All those other things don't matter. It's baseball that matters,
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  Speaker 2: and that's again how baseball can unite people, and faith
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  Speaker 2: can do that as well, and when they're at their best,
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we try to do in this film
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  Speaker 2: is kind of show both worlds at their best. We
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  Speaker 2: don't really have an agenda here. We're not following one
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  Speaker 2: one faith or one team. So I think fans of
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  Speaker 2: all teams and all faiths can enjoy this film well.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see the different opinions that all
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  Speaker 1: baseball fans as well as players get into. When you
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  Speaker 1: show the scenes of the baseball being stolen from a
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  Speaker 1: home run, in other words, when they reach over there
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  Speaker 1: and grab the ball and they catch it, and I
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  Speaker 1: sit there and I go, did they steal that one
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  Speaker 1: in the name of religion? Or did that one get away?
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  Speaker 1: Now they got to go figure out how to get
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  Speaker 1: that one back. And I mean, Jay, really, because you're
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  Speaker 1: the one that sets it up with the religious being
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  Speaker 1: a part of it. So now when I watch the game,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, Oh, there's something religious here I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up on today. And you do you learn from it?
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  Speaker 2: You absolutely do. There's so many things about it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you talk about shots There's one shot in the film
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  Speaker 2: that I just love. We found it late in the process,
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  Speaker 2: but it was really cool. There was a woman in
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  Speaker 2: the stands, young woman who stretches out her arm as
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  Speaker 2: far as it'll go and leans over and catches a
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  Speaker 2: home run that's coming in, and it was just an
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  Speaker 2: amazing catch, and she kind of looks up at the
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  Speaker 2: sky as if to say thank you, and then she
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  Speaker 2: crosses herself. And again, I think it's just an example
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  Speaker 2: of without perhaps purposefully doing it, it just came out
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  Speaker 2: as a display of how baseball and religion intersect.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't move. We'll be back with John right after this.
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  Speaker 1: The name of the documentary Baseball Beyond Belief. We are
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  Speaker 1: back with John. How about the people whose lives change?
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  Speaker 1: When Derek Jeters goes the ghosts are coming all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden. I sat up straight the very second that
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  Speaker 1: you guys put focus on that, because I'm going, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, this is a man who has seen the future.
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  Speaker 1: He's come down the mountain with the message.
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  Speaker 2: He really has. You know, one of the baseball traditions
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  Speaker 2: in Yankee Stadium is the ghosts of players past and
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  Speaker 2: teams passed, and so what Derek Jeter was talking about
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  Speaker 2: there was a there was a very important game, and
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Boone is coming to the plate to hit, who's
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  Speaker 2: probably the worst hitter on the Yankees team that year,
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  Speaker 2: and Derek Jeter says to him, the ghosts are coming,
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  Speaker 2: and he meant that as a way to really inspire Boone,
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  Speaker 2: who on the very first pitch cracks a home run,
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  Speaker 2: wins the game for the Yankees, sends them to the
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  Speaker 2: World Series, and Jeter has this big smile on his face,
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  Speaker 2: as does Boone, because the ghosts came and they helped
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  Speaker 2: him and inspired him and they run as a result.
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  Speaker 2: And that's one of those great traditions of the Yankees.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that makes us such a creative spirit, John,
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  Speaker 1: is the way that you change the tempo of the
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  Speaker 1: movie toward the end where you get into a deeper,
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  Speaker 1: more meaningful story of what the game is doing to
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  Speaker 1: really private families and how they needed the game of
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  Speaker 1: baseball in order for their son to, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: to play the game. Well, I cried like a baby.
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  Speaker 1: I cried when you were showing that, because it shows
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  Speaker 1: that baseball is not just for the professionals, it's for
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  Speaker 1: all people. And you can have your glory moments.
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  Speaker 2: You absolutely said it, Aro, that is so true. It
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  Speaker 2: was important to us. In addition to exploring the similarities,
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to show just how impactful baseball is is
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  Speaker 2: on people's lives and can transform people's lives. The story
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about, I swear, Eraro, I have seen it
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  Speaker 2: a hundred times in the editing room. It still chokes
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  Speaker 2: me up. That story about about a young boy was
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  Speaker 2: born with Baton's disease, which is a neuro muscular disease
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  Speaker 2: uh and it's fatal, and he went blind at age
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  Speaker 2: seven uh and he was supposed to die in his teens.
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  Speaker 2: He actually lasted longer. But what what saved him and
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  Speaker 2: helped him get through this tragic series of events, and
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  Speaker 2: what helped his mother and father get through it was
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  Speaker 2: baseball and their faith. So it's the thing Abo, how
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  Speaker 2: both intersect. I don't want to spoil the story for
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  Speaker 2: your your listeners, but it really is fine. And then
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  Speaker 2: we had two other stories that were very similar. There
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  Speaker 2: are sort of standalone stories in the film. We have
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  Speaker 2: one about a gentleman who was a Japanese American during
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  Speaker 2: World War Two who was sent to its attention camp,
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  Speaker 2: much like immigrants are being sent today. And instead of
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  Speaker 2: getting depressed, instead of getting depressed, instead of becoming inactive,
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  Speaker 2: he decided baseball was going to be the way to
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  Speaker 2: give him and his fellow inmates pride and purpose. So
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  Speaker 2: he starts a baseball league in this camp. I won't
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  Speaker 2: spoil the rest of the story for you, but how
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  Speaker 2: they survived three years behind barbed wire his very inspiring story.
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  Speaker 2: Then we have a very light story about two Franciscan Friars,
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  Speaker 2: young guys, really funny guys who their job is to
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  Speaker 2: go out and preach the gospel. And they don't really
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  Speaker 2: go out in the streets anymore where people used together.
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  Speaker 2: So where do people gather, they're asking themselves. They gather
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  Speaker 2: at baseball parks. So one summer they went out and
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  Speaker 2: they visited all thirty two baseball parks, and we have
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  Speaker 2: a really fun, interesting look at how they interacted with
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  Speaker 2: the people at the parks and the impact it had
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  Speaker 2: on those people and the impact that had on the
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  Speaker 2: two Friars. But again, I think baseball really has that
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  Speaker 2: We all have our stories, we all have our favorite
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  Speaker 2: moments of our teams that helped shape who we are
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  Speaker 2: as people. And all of that, and I think that's
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  Speaker 2: really valuable and important, and that's again what I was
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  Speaker 2: trying to capture in the film.
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  Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't say anything about
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  Speaker 1: the mascots, because how would you bring the mascots into
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  Speaker 1: this story if there's a connection between baseball and religion,
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  Speaker 1: who would they be inside my church?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: we didn't really touch on the mascots much. You don't
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  Speaker 2: really have that equivalent. Although what I can say, the
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  Speaker 2: Friars that we were just talking about, the fran Siskins
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  Speaker 2: still dress in the robes that they've dressed in for centuries.
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  Speaker 2: And when they went to the park of the San
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  Speaker 2: Diego Padres, people thought they were mascots at first. They weren't,
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  Speaker 2: but they But you know, the thing is, you can
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  Speaker 2: go to church and be inspired by the proceedings, just
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  Speaker 2: as you can go to the baseball park and be inspired.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, again, what what baseball aspires to be,
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  Speaker 2: as as faith does, is to live your best life,
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  Speaker 2: to be the best human that you can, to do
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  Speaker 2: right by people, to bring people together. And again, we
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  Speaker 2: stress that in very different ways in the film, But
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  Speaker 2: I think it's very important.
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  Speaker 1: Right away when when when you're talking like that, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the documentary Baseball Beyond Belief, is I want,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really hoping that the New York Mets and the
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  Speaker 1: Yankees can get along. We need to bring these people together,
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  Speaker 1: and we need to bring peace between these two teams,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been going on too long and there needs
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  Speaker 1: to be peace.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely right. We need peace in this world, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's one of the that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: fun things. We do touch on that a bit in
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  Speaker 2: the film of how Yankee and Red Sox fanas each other,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and all of that, but largely that's in fun.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, some people take it too extremes. But again,
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  Speaker 2: I think looking at the human qualities of both worlds
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  Speaker 2: and the people in those worlds, to me was really
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  Speaker 2: really fascinating, and I think your listeners are going to
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  Speaker 2: find that equally interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you bring up the Red Sox right away.
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  Speaker 1: That's between my sister and I, And as far as
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  Speaker 1: I was concerned, she only became a Red Sox fan
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  Speaker 1: because they won the World Series. And it's like, come on,
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  Speaker 1: that's not a fan, don't go where the winners are. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we fought like cats and dogs, like brothers and sisters
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  Speaker 1: over that thing, because it's like you just sold your soul.
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  Speaker 1: You can't do that. But you're right. It does really
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  Speaker 1: kind of have that religious vibe about it.
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  Speaker 2: It does. You get very intense about your beliefs and
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  Speaker 2: very intense about the faith you have in your team,
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  Speaker 2: and you see it really for any team, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: very similar in that regard. You know, as I grew
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  Speaker 2: up a Cups fan and long, long, long suffering, I
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  Speaker 2: might add, but you really would would defend your team
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  Speaker 2: to the death, and that was really really a part
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  Speaker 2: of being an obsessed fan, and that's true for really
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  Speaker 2: any team. But again, I think, as we talked about,
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  Speaker 2: some of that is just largely in fun and it
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  Speaker 2: just helps enhance the overall experience.
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  Speaker 1: How about these fans or want to be fans, or
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  Speaker 1: even just people who needed a free T shirt are
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  Speaker 1: sporting the colors of the teams, but they have no
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  Speaker 1: idea who the team really is. And I feel the
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  Speaker 1: same way that religion must go through the same thing
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  Speaker 1: as well, because I mean, if you're gonna wear the jersey,
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  Speaker 1: know the.
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  Speaker 2: Team, Yes, that's true. There's a there's a great we have.
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  Speaker 2: One of our author experts in the film talks about
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  Speaker 2: the head nod. The head nod, yes, which is where
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  Speaker 2: you'll be, for example, in your local grocery store and
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  Speaker 2: you're wearing the jersey of your favorite team and you
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  Speaker 2: look across the isle and there's somebody there with the
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  Speaker 2: same jersey or a hat, and you you just sort
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  Speaker 2: of not at each other as if you have a connect.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know each other, you're never going to speak
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  Speaker 2: to each other again, but you have some you have
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  Speaker 2: some kind of connection. And again that's that's a very
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  Speaker 2: strong connection between fans of a team, much like the
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  Speaker 2: devout of a certain faith have that kind of connection
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  Speaker 2: as well. There's not really there's not really the equivalent
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  Speaker 2: of jerseys, although I suppose you could say wearing a
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  Speaker 2: cross or a Jewish star or or something like that
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  Speaker 2: could be the equivalent. But uh, you are devout in
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: those things and those are very strong connections.
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  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about everything
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: that you're doing, John, because you are bringing sports to
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  Speaker 1: us at a different level of play and it really
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  Speaker 1: does make it more meaningful.
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  Speaker 2: Ah Well, thanks Sarah. I appreciate that. If people go
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to our website Beyond Baseball Beyond Belief dot com, it
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: all list everywhere you can see this film. We're very
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  Speaker 2: proud of it. We premiere We premiere this Sunday, Easter
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  Speaker 2: Sunday at four pm Eastern on Fox Sports One. Oh
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  Speaker 2: My God, and it repeats the next day at ten
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  Speaker 2: thirty pm Eastern, And it actually is on several times
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  Speaker 2: during the course of the week. So if you go
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  Speaker 2: to Baseball Beyond Belief dot com, you'll kind of see
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: where and how you can see it. It'll be on
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: after that, it'll be on various video on demand platforms
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  Speaker 2: for rent and purchase. And I'm just so proud of
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  Speaker 2: this and I think your listeners are going to find
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  Speaker 2: it really entertaining and really interesting, and I hope they'll
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: check it out well.
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  Speaker 1: And I know I'm right, I'm way at a time,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it and then we'll have
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  Speaker 1: to end it there. But it's one of those things
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: where people are going to look at the title and
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: they're going to say, I don't know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: and they're finally going to do it, and once they
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: do it, they're going to say I'm glad I did that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of movie this is, so you might
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: as well just do the documentary. Just get it done
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  Speaker 1: and understand that you are going to be moved.
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  Speaker 2: You made my day, Arrow, Thanks for saying that. I
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, you too, nice being with you. Thanks for the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: enthusiasm you've been