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LIV Golf is being SHUTDOWN? NFL Draft Thoughts + NFL Offseason Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on, my people? How are we doing?
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  Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three and Out podcast, Another beautiful day.
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  Speaker 2: We are officially a.
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  Speaker 1: Week away from the National Football League's Draft. Very very excited,
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  Speaker 1: cannot get here soon enough. Today I want to do
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  Speaker 1: some big picture stuff because the big story today is
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  Speaker 1: is this live golf league, funded funded by the Sadi's
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  Speaker 1: is gonna eventually crater, whether it be soon or at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the year.
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  Speaker 2: And it got me thinking, like, why do you why
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  Speaker 2: do we watch sports?
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  Speaker 1: And one issue we've had over the course of the
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  Speaker 1: last week with the Rassini story is conflict of interest.
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  Speaker 1: A story today about Troy Aikman and the Dolphins and
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  Speaker 1: their draft, and I just kind of want to dive
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  Speaker 1: into that as well as you know the advantage some
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  Speaker 1: of these longtime gms have when it comes to experience.
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  Speaker 2: On Thursday and.
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  Speaker 1: Friday of next week as well as we'll do a
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  Speaker 1: couple of mail bag questions at John Middlecoff at John
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  Speaker 1: questions answered here on the show, and we'll bank some
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  Speaker 1: of those out and we'll just keep we'll keep chugging
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk some sports. But I did want to start
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: with money in sports because the NFL is a good example, right,
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  Speaker 1: Their salary cap number has never been higher, the teams
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  Speaker 1: have never been worth more, the players have never made
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  Speaker 1: We just had a center from the raven signed with
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders for twenty seven million dollars a year. The
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  Speaker 1: live golf operation that was funded by the Saudi investment
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  Speaker 1: firm PIFF just started buying players years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: They gave Phil Mickelson a couple hundred million dollars Koepka,
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  Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson. Recently, John Rahm got supposedly three hundred million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: They literally just bought talent. And this has happened before.
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  Speaker 1: I was just I was in the plane. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: record any podcasts. I didn't my internet wasn't working, and
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  Speaker 1: I had Steve Young's book on tape that I was
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  Speaker 1: like seventy percent through And you know, this is a
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  Speaker 1: long time ago for you young people, but there was
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  Speaker 1: a league in the mid eighties that bought guys like
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  Speaker 1: Steve Young and Reggie White and tried to have this
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  Speaker 1: startup United Football League that ended up going belly up.
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  Speaker 1: And I think one thing that and listen the live
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  Speaker 1: golf For me, who loves the sport and who likes
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  Speaker 1: aspects of business, I thought was really fascinating. But in hell,
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  Speaker 1: I even went to an event last year with Colin
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  Speaker 1: and it was cool being on the grounds. Koepka came
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  Speaker 1: up and talked to us, Sergio Garcia came up to Colin.
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  Speaker 1: It was a vibe there, but the events never resonated
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  Speaker 1: with people because I think in sports history matters.
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  Speaker 2: And now you're.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about the NFL that has been around for a
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  Speaker 1: long time, right since it merged with the AFL, and
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  Speaker 1: it's been the Super Bowl era has been going since
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  Speaker 1: the late sixties early seventies. The NBA has been rolling
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  Speaker 1: in terms of fame and big time players now since
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  Speaker 1: well before I was born. Obviously, Major League Baseball was
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  Speaker 1: a really big deal like the twenties with Babe Ruth.
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  Speaker 1: So the history behind these sports make for us that
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  Speaker 1: watch it as entertainment, and I do this for a job,
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  Speaker 1: But when the game is on, I still enjoyed being entertained.
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  Speaker 1: When the college Football Playoff was going on and Indiana
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  Speaker 1: was trying to take down Oregon in Alabama, it never
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  Speaker 1: crossed my mind, Oh, Fernando Mendez is making a couple
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  Speaker 1: of million dollars, or Dante Moore if he comes back,
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  Speaker 1: he'll make seven or eight. Obviously we talk about it
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  Speaker 1: and it's interesting, but when the events are actually going on,
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  Speaker 1: and the reason we watch has nothing to do with that,
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  Speaker 1: right and even now, and I was thinking about the
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  Speaker 1: Week one last year. It was the Bills against the Ravens,
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  Speaker 1: and the Ravens were kicking the shit out of the Bills,
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  Speaker 1: and remember Derrick Henry fumbles and the Bills have this
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  Speaker 1: crazy comeback. And never once during the game where we're thinking,
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  Speaker 1: do you know that Josh and Lamar may combine a
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  Speaker 1: hundred million dollars? It was like, these are the two
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  Speaker 1: of the most talented guys in the league, two of
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  Speaker 1: the most physically gifted guys we've ever seen, and this
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  Speaker 1: is just really enjoyable.
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  Speaker 2: These are two of the best teams in the league.
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  Speaker 2: Two teams have just.
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  Speaker 1: Played in the playoffs last year in the second round,
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  Speaker 1: Like this feels like a really big deal because of
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  Speaker 1: what's on the line for these guys legacies. Can they
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  Speaker 1: ever get over the hump? Who's better between the two?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: These guys are polarizing guys because they were had pole
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  Speaker 1: position right behind Patrick Mahomes as the best quarterbacks in
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  Speaker 1: the league and.
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  Speaker 2: The money doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, can the Bills ever win a Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 1: Will Lamar Jackson the Ravens ever get over the hump?
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  Speaker 1: And I think Live serves as a pretty good example.
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  Speaker 1: And Scott O'Neill, who is the CEO of Live, just
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  Speaker 1: came out with a comment who again took really good
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  Speaker 1: care of me and Colin really impressive guy, Like I
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  Speaker 1: really enjoyed my time with him. I think he will
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  Speaker 1: be successful at whatever he does if Live goes under
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  Speaker 1: this week or.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the year.
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  Speaker 1: I immediately texted a picture to Howie Roseman because he's
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  Speaker 1: a Philly guy and they're really close friends.
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  Speaker 2: Like high level people like this guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's a high level guy, and I was blown away.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like Live as a you know, I know, Greg
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  Speaker 1: Norman took a lot of crap, but this is an
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  Speaker 1: impressive guy. This is someone you would meet that would
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  Speaker 1: be involved in the NFL. This guy was part of
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  Speaker 1: the NBA with David Stern. The problem is is when
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  Speaker 1: your events are just bought and paid for, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: feel important, regardless how much talent you have and how
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  Speaker 1: much they're making. Right part of these tennis tournaments, when
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  Speaker 1: Federer was going against the doll or now it's Alcoraz
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  Speaker 1: against Center, you have a lot of history and context
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  Speaker 1: behind those events. It's why people in Philadelphia when some
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  Speaker 1: of these articles in these podcasts come out against Jalen Hurts,
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  Speaker 1: they get his back because they go, this guy has
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  Speaker 1: been a starting quarterback for two Super Bowl teams and
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  Speaker 1: in one of them, fucking was awesome and we won.
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  Speaker 1: And last time I checked, winning the Super Bowl means
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  Speaker 1: a lot, you know, And we can debate if fifteen
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  Speaker 1: different guys could have won the Super Bowl as a
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't. He did.
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  Speaker 1: And we have context between all these leagues, all these events.
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  Speaker 1: It was like Michigan going up against Yukon when the
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  Speaker 1: game was going on.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't like this.
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  Speaker 1: Guy's making this this guy's making this nil here. It
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  Speaker 1: was just you know, this is a historic program in Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: this is a historic program in Yukon, and this thing
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  Speaker 1: is a war zone. I mean, Yukon played that game
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  Speaker 1: like it was football. That was one dakeaway I had
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  Speaker 1: from that National Championship game is I don't think, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's a little hyperbolic, but I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen a team play harder than Yukon. Like
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  Speaker 1: the effort in which they played was a ten out
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  Speaker 1: of ten. Like their effort you know when you're taught
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  Speaker 1: little league or high school basketball, or even some of
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  Speaker 1: these college football products or prospects when they've been at
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  Speaker 1: Miami or Ohio State, like, you can play harder, you
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  Speaker 1: can play harder, you can play harder. We need you
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  Speaker 1: to play harder. When I'm evaluating you at the combine
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  Speaker 1: or during the pro day, it's like I wish you
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  Speaker 1: would have played a little harder. No one who watched
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  Speaker 1: Yukon play that game when they could have played a
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  Speaker 1: little harder, they literally played as hard, not as good.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously they they could have been better, but in terms
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  Speaker 1: of effort, it was elite. And that entertained me because
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  Speaker 1: the game in terms of like the shot making and
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  Speaker 1: the enjoyability of quote unquote great basketball. You know, it
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  Speaker 1: was somewhat forgettable, but the effort was not. And as
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  Speaker 1: a fan, like I found that really enjoyable. Not because
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  Speaker 1: Braylen Mullins is a seven figure guy, or how are
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  Speaker 1: they going to who are they gonna buy in the
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  Speaker 1: portal after this game, I didn't give a shit, no different.
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  Speaker 1: I think this speaks to the Indiana story. I think
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  Speaker 1: this speaks you know, this year when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl to Seattle, there was and this is
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  Speaker 1: what I said about Sam Darnold's story. It was just
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  Speaker 1: really genuine. You know, it wasn't about that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he was the third overall pick and he signed a
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  Speaker 1: forty million dollar contract because people were like, well, you
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  Speaker 1: had to become a backup. He was already filthy rich.
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  Speaker 1: And then when Seattle signed him to a team friendly deal,
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  Speaker 1: he's still making thirty million dollars a year. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about you. I don't know that many human beings
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  Speaker 1: that are making a W two job making thirty million
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  Speaker 1: dollars a year. Like, the guy has generations of money.
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  Speaker 1: But the reason it resonated with actual people Google the
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  Speaker 1: average income in America that can't relate to that level
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  Speaker 1: of money, or that level of lifestyle or that level
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  Speaker 1: of fame, because it was most of us can relate to, like,
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  Speaker 1: we've been through some shitty times, We've hit adversity in
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  Speaker 1: our life. We've been in the fucking mud. Life sucked
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  Speaker 1: for a period of time, maybe a month, maybe a year.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he went through a bad five year stretch, and
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  Speaker 1: you just kind of crawl.
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  Speaker 2: Your way out of it. You hope to get a break.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe someone throws you a you know, a lifeline, Maybe
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  Speaker 1: someone throws you a job opportunity, and it sets your
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  Speaker 1: life on a positive track, and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: you come out like Andy Dufrayne on the other end,
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  Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold by all accounts, great guy, high character,
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  Speaker 1: seems like a very likable human who could get along
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of people. And I think most people,
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  Speaker 1: unless you're a Patriot fan, in that Super Bowl, we're
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  Speaker 1: just kind of rooting for the guy. Why because it
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  Speaker 1: was an easy story to get behind, and that's what
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: sports is. Rory McElroy, I mean, the Masters has done
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: like historic ratings the last couple of years on Tiger Woods,
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  Speaker 1: and I think the reason it is because story was
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: just something that draws people in. He can't get it done,
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  Speaker 1: he can't win this tournament. He's never gonna win this tournament.
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  Speaker 1: And then he finally wins the freaking tournament. And then
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  Speaker 1: a year later, all of a sudden, he's kicking everyone's ass.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he's just gonna do it again. He went
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  Speaker 1: a decade plus couldn't win a major, let alone this tournament.
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  Speaker 1: Most times he underachieved and wasn't even in the mix.
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  Speaker 1: And now he's gonna win back to back, and then
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  Speaker 1: what happened, He started falling apart. One of the most
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  Speaker 1: relatable things in sports watching someone play golf and struggle
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  Speaker 1: and not play well. It's why I think millions upon
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  Speaker 1: millions of people watch that tournament, and we don't have
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  Speaker 1: that many events anymore than a lot of people watch together.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I might watch a show, you might watch a show,
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  Speaker 1: you might watch a show.
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  Speaker 2: They could be on three.
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  Speaker 1: I watching this one on HBO Max, You're watching something
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  Speaker 1: on Netflix, and I'm watching this show every day on Paramount,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like we get to the water cooler, or
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  Speaker 1: if we play golf together. We all are not watching
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: the same This isn't nineteen ninety eight where everyone watched Seinfelder.
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  Speaker 2: In two thousand and four, everyone has watches the protests.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: That's not really the world we live it anymore. Everything's
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: really fractured. So the couple things that draw most of us,
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: especially as sports fans, to a television, really have little
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  Speaker 1: to do with money. And the reason Live failed is
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: because their whole business model was based on cash without it.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: I had a buddy that works in finance, and he's
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: he's in charge of dealing with a lot of people
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: who are trying to get funding, loans, right, support from
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  Speaker 1: a financial institution, and some people qualify these are businesses, right,
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  Speaker 1: trying to get a line of credit five million, ten million,
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  Speaker 1: fifty million, whatever, And it's all based on what they're making. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're doing this much revenue, we project this much revenue.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Here are costs, and they go through their books with
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: a fine tooth comb. There is not a soul in
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  Speaker 1: America that would have invested in Lives Venture given what
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: they had to pay to get everyone involved. Not a soul,
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  Speaker 1: not one single investor not named the Pith, would have
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  Speaker 1: been interested. And that's why it never resonated with anyway.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a fake operation because without this unlimited fund,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't have existed. And listen, a lot of startups
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: happen and then fail, but at one point in time
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: they were able to pitch it to someone in a
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: room to give them a check to go. You know,
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty good idea. And the one thing that
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  Speaker 1: has never changed and still is thriving are these live
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: sports events, specifically football, which is the most unique of
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  Speaker 1: all the sports because it's a one off. Every week,
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: there's only one game. Basketball you're playing three or four,
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: Baseball you're potentially playing six or seven, and in football
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  Speaker 1: you're playing once and all the games matter and you
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  Speaker 1: can't fake that. I know it, you know it, we
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  Speaker 1: all know it. And that's what I understand. Like listen,
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  Speaker 1: run Netflix. The world is dramatically changed. Ten years ago.
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  Speaker 1: When I got out of radio, it was so evident
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  Speaker 1: to me. My biggest advantage was this phone in my hand,
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: because when I got into a car, we had at
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  Speaker 1: the time maybe five plus years of cars in the
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: you know, from twenty ten to twenty fifteen, sixteen seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: When I really got into podcasts. It was probably twenty
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  Speaker 1: seventeen twenty eighteen, so we had a five year stretch
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  Speaker 1: where people connected their phone to their car, and I
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  Speaker 1: just started thinking to myself, over the course of the
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: next decade, really, where we're sitting now, there are going
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: to be a large percentage of people who get into
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: their car and never turn on the radio and turn
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: on whether it's Pandora, Spotify, Apple podcasts, connect to whatever
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  Speaker 1: they listen to and will never know channels whatever they are,
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: like I did as a kid, because that option didn't exist.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: And then we're ten more years of existing of radio
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: as we knew it in the nineties and the two
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  Speaker 1: thousands will not exist. It will not be a viable outlet.
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  Speaker 1: And I got lucky. I got forced in that life,
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: and it was very evident to me very quickly, like
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: this isn't just the future, it's early happening right now
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  Speaker 1: and we're never going back. And so I've always supported
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: when people push back. And one story that doesn't interest
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  Speaker 1: me that much is this collusion and these politicians going
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: after the NFL. When there's actual substance behind it, I
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: will get interested, but I don't have the bandwidth with
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: a kid to read legal jargigon. But I also know,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: and I've supported these leagues from going into business with
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: all these different streamers of they have way more money
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: than these traditional networks. So if Netflix wants in on
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: more NFL games, guess what they can blow away the
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: competition in the bits now football. Their advantage like UFC
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: or WWE in WrestleMania is when an event is happening,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: everyone in that world knows. Like I don't even follow
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: wrestling anymore. I know the WrestleMania is happening this weekend.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: I don't follow, or why, I guess I loosely follow.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I don't really watch UFC. But if something happens that
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  Speaker 1: everyone's telling me this is historic, you gotta watch. I'm
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: kind of drawing in and I'm paying attention. It's why
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I've watched people gonna make fun of me, Jake Paul fight,
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  Speaker 1: all these people. It's an event. That's what football has.
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  Speaker 1: It's why when they played on Netflix on Christmas, everyone
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: knows about it. Now, whether you have time, you're at home,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: whether you're gonna watch it or not is up to you.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: But if you're a sports fan, you know where that is.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: It was over the years with Peacock. When they first
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: did the playoff game Amazon Prime last year on Black Friday,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: you knew where it was, well last night. It's a
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: great example. I don't watch the NBA anymore. I follow it.
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  Speaker 1: I know what's going on because I listen to podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't watch games anymore. But if you tell
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  Speaker 1: me the play in game it's a.
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  Speaker 2: Winner get in.
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  Speaker 1: That piques my interest. So I flip on my television.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I don't have the cable box anymore, and it comes
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  Speaker 1: up and all I the only game I see is
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: the Phillies playing the Cups. So I go, oh, they
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: must be playing Wednesday and Thursday. That's when the playing
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  Speaker 1: games are going. And then all of a sudden, I
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: get an alert that the Heat and the Hornets game
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  Speaker 1: is over. I'm like, these games are going and it
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  Speaker 1: was on a streamer I didn't know. And basketball is
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: a good example of someone who just made a lot
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: of money on their television deal, and a lot of
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: it was through the streaming platforms. The problem is is,
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  Speaker 1: unlike football, they're not a destination event operation right now,
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  Speaker 1: and it I didn't have the opportunity to watch it
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't even know it was on. Now, if
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I had done a little more research, I guess I
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  Speaker 1: could have looked what channel was it on. But I
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  Speaker 1: got a kid, I got a wife, I got food
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  Speaker 1: going on. These aren't my teams. I'm not gambling on it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care that much. And they made it a
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. One comment I've heard a
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  Speaker 1: forever and listen. I like a lot of traditional media
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  Speaker 1: people that I've got.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: To meet over the years.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for their job and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: how hard they work. And you know, it's not easy
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to go into locker rooms and be a beat reporter.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Like I respect it. I have a lot of respect
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: It's it's much more time consuming in terms of like
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: traveling and stuff than what I have to do, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to do it. And I have a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: lot of respect for the work. But I've seen a lot.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I think the media sometimes misses the mark on the fans.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And this all exists the media, the leagues, everything because
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of the consumer. I'd argue they're all that matters. They
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: pay for everything. Without them, these leagues aren't getting filthy rich.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: These media entities like me couldn't exist no one forever
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: like they read the newspaper, they watched the shows, they
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: watched the games. Without them, none of it matters. There
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: are a lot of good golfers playing money games on
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Wednesday night. No one watches, you know, so the fans
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: are the heartbeat of it all, and you get on Twitter.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I think companies make a mistake of looking at comments
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and thinking that matters. Because if a story comes out,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and if it's as salacious as Russini and vrabel if
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: she's gonna post something people like she put out a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: trial balloon last week on Twitter, look at the comments.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: No shit, that's social media for you. What do most
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: of us do if we're bored. Sometimes if you click
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: on something that you know is a polarizing post on Twitter, Instagram.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: For those of you on Facebook, we check the comments
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: because we know what's coming. It doesn't represent do I
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: think most people that watch football truly give a flying
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: fuck about Russini and vrabel I do not? If you
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: told me tomorrow, Russini had the biggest story in NFL
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: history and posted it that's all. I just want to
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: consume it, and I think most fans would and do
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I care that schefter might get presents for his sources,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: might vacation with his sources, might do whatever it takes
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to maintain and gain new sources. I do not.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I just want the information.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I think most fans when it comes to that jobs specifically,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: just want to eat the hot dog.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: They don't need to go to the.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Factory to see how other things made. They truly don't care.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Now I understand why this story of them holding hands
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: at this exclusive resort becomes a big thing.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Like I do. Like I was just talking to a buddy.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: If I was in that photo, I would not be
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: in my office right now because I would have been
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: kicked out of the house.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: That's just a fact like this. I say it all
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I'm in a marriage that is a lot like baseball.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of unwritten rules.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: You know what's okay and you know what's not okay.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And I would imagine a lot of people listening are
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: in those as well. And that photo of holding hands
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: on top of a bungalow at a three thousand dollars
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: couple retreat resort in Sedona by the Red Rocks would
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: be a no go in my world. We all agree,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. I don't even think this this story
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: is like that complicated, But I also don't like it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Feed me the information, that's all I want. Why did
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: work and dominate the news cycle and make newspapers in
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: some of these other entities kind of worthless and social
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: media in general, because it just gives me the story,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and that's all we're looking for.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Give me the story.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And you could argue the consumer has never cared less
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: about the context behind the story as they do in
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: twenty six. Maybe they never truly did, but they definitely
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: do not now. And so the story that Troy Aikman
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: is gonna be in the Dolphins draft room, right, he's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a consultant. He helped hire these two guys from Green Bay.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: He's been on the record forever saying that, like, you know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: at one point in time he thought he was gonna
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: be a GM and then you know, his daughters and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it just didn't work out. And I bet if you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: were having some beers with Troy and just maybe maybe
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: a hard cocktail and truly getting deep, he'd be like,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you know, one regret I have is I see guys
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like John Lynch or some of these former players like
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Dan Campbell and Vrabel being coaches, Like I miss being
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: in the trenches because of what I learned from Jimmy
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and running the Cowboys as the quarterback, Like I know
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I could have done a good job, and he's kind
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: of alluded to that in different interviews. But I think
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: he misses being in the trenches, you know I do.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And is there a conflict of interest of him now
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: being the right hand man and being a guy that
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the GM and the coach probably gonna lean on when
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: he goes into other organizations. Yeah, if you are Howie
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Roseman or Elliott Wolf or Brandon Bean, I understand being
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable with Troy Aikman and giving him some dirt on
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a backup that maybe he could steal, right or a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: practice squad guy that he could tell his guys about
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and then they claim off, you know, your practice squad.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Totally understand. But as long as he on Monday Night
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: football lets it rip like he always has, I don't
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: give a shit.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I truly don't.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: No different same with Tom Brady, like it's an issue
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: for Andy Reid or Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh, like,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I get them. But to me, if Tom Brady's calling
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the Eagles against the Cowboys and he's doing a good job,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that's all I care about. That from my vantage point
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of just the consumer, that's the only thing that matters.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And I truly believe this, and maybe some of you disagree.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I truly don't believe the fans care. I really don't
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: because whether they get a story from, you know, having sex,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: or get a story from what if I pay for
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: two nights for your family to go to the Four
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Seasons and get you a gift card to the nicest
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: steak restaurant, Like, I just give me the story, give
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: me the trade, give me the information. And I think
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the media, and a lot of traditional media people now
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: have transitioned to the digital space, they get very offended
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: because that's their profession that they follow or have followed
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the rules.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I've never been a big rule follower.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: You know. Now, I don't think, you know, Dan Campbell's
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: gonna try to sleep with me to give me, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: intimate information on the Detroit Lions and his life. But
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to know some of these guys
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and have close relationships or build close relationships through this,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and I'll do whatever I have to do to maintain
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: those relationships because it's good for my business. And some
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: of these guys I generally I consider friends. I like
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: them a lot, like I admire them as human beings.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So I think some of this stuff gets lost in
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the tmzification of this world and where most people are
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: just kind of having a laugh at it, and those
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: same people like throw on the game, no one.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Actually cares before we dive to the mailbag.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: One thing I saw and it got me thinking, is
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Howie and his press conference yesterday said that he thinks
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: every single day about the first round that he's missed
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: over the course of his career. And obviously he's been
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a GM for if you subtract the one Chip Kelly year,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: for fifteen plus years now, right, So he's made a
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: lot of draft selections over the course of his career.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: And one advantage you have when you're John Schneider, when
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you're less sneed, when you're some of these guys who
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: have been in their position for a long period of time,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you have made awful selections, and you have made great selections,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and you have a bank of information and then a
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: human interaction with those players to know why this worked
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and why this didn't work. I say it all the time,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: there is no such thing as a safe draft pick.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: You are dealing with human beings. These aren't widgets. These
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: aren't companies with EBITDA and revenue flow and set expenses.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: These are human beings who are young, who ebb and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: flow on emotions, who ebben flow on success and failures.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Some of them have never had that many failures. It
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: is a very difficult position to be in. But when
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you have done something for a long period of time
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that is pressure packed and very highly scrutinized, the more
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: experience you have is a massive, massive advantage. And I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: do think when the draft time comes around, you see
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: some of these guys, like let's look at the Jets
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and the Cardinals like their GMS. The Jets GMS is
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the second draft. The Cardinals GM has been there for
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: several years, has not had much success. He doesn't even
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: have that much to go off of. You know, spy
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Tex in his second draft you don't have. And there's
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a big difference of well, they've been a part of
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: multiple decades of drafts, John Eric Sullivan, the new GM
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: for Miami. If you watch his press conference, you go,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that's a high level cat. But as being you know
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the number three, number two for a long period of
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: time in Green Bay. There is a big difference in
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: life when you make suggestions and when you make decisions.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Think about it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: When you're a kid, you give a lot of suggestions
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to your parents, we should do this, we should do that,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: let's do that, And then you become a parent and
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: you make all the decisions, every single one in the house. Hell,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: when you get married, you know, you go back and forth.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: There are certain things she decides on, certain things you
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: decide on, and you give suggestions on and she gives
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: successions on. But ultimately it's one person's the decision maker ideally,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and certain big decisions you come to it as a group.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: But most decisions in life, big ones, get made by
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: one human being, not by a group. And I just
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: think when you look around the league, these teams that go,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: we've had three misses. Sometimes that works to your advantage
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: in a draft coming up, because you know what to
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: look for and to avoid. And I'm not even just
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: talking in the player attributes. I'm talking the person Hey,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: we've the two guys we missed on. They had these
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: three things in common off the field in their personality.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: And you're right up on this guy and us bringing
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: him in on a visit or talking to him at
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the combine. He reminds me a lot of that guy,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm not comfortable doing that and vice versa. Hey,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and sometimes some of your biggest hits can be in
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the second round, the third round, the fifth round. The
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: reason that guy picked or hit and has become a
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: pro bowler and a multiple contract guy and one of
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the biggest stars in the league is because we undervalued X,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Y and Z that he brought to the table, or
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't like that in college, but when he
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: got here, we fostered it, and now he brings that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to the table. So I.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: So many people have opinions on the.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Draft whether David Bailey will work and whether he won't work.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And here's the other problem, and I talked to a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: lot of people in the league about this, is the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: transfer portal makes things a lot more complicated because if
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you talk to David Bailey, the coaches at Texas Tech, well,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: what are they gonna tell you?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: They fucking love the guy.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Why he just had one of the great pass rusting
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: seasons in the history of the leak or I mean
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: of college football. He dominated in all the production statistics,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I think statistically legitimately based on his snaps and based
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: on his product and production, it is the most highest
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: level in the history of college football. But if you
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: talk to the people at Stanford and I did at
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the combine, it's not as rosy. So how do you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: balance that out? And here's the other thing, and this
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: is we haven't talked that much about. This is the
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Big twelve. For example, how many offensive linemen was he
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: going up against that are going to be in the NFL?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Like Kansas Kansas State? Do all these teams have? University
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: of Arizona have NFL tackles. You gotta factor all this in.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: There's not a right or wrong answer. That's what makes
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: this whole thing so difficult. So the more experience you
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: have doing that job and making the selections of guys
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to fall back on is something that is just so advantageous.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Come Thursday and Friday, and really Saturday as well. Saturday
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: is a little bit more of a crapshoot, But Thursday
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and Friday when you're drafted in the first and second round, like,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: those are intense picks. It's very very serious in those rooms.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: It's a really big freaking deal and getting it right
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: comes down to getting the person right. Okay, let's dive
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: into the mailbag at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff, fire
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: in those DMS questions answered here on the show. We
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: will start with Alex. I feel like we get a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: lot of Alexes that listen to the show, followed you
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: on on the old platform now on Netflix. Why do
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you think the type of material covered for the NFL
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: versus the type of material covered for the NBA is
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: so different. NFL content creators seem to be better at
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: talking about the actual sport, while NBA creators seem to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: set seem to be set on talking about the storylines
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: like it's the WWE. Has it always been like this?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And am I just noticing it now that I'm older.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: It's a good question.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: We talked about this earlier on the podcast, and I
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: think it's pretty simple. If I do a reaction to
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Monday Night football. Let's say there's a big Monday night
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: football game and it's the Eagles versus Cowboys, right, and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other people that talk about football, from
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Colin to the Orlovsky to McAfee to whoever. The amount
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: of people that you know all watch the game, whether
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you're an Eagles or a Cowboys fan or just a
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: football fan, are watching Sirianni for Schottenheim or Dak versus Hurts,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and you have thoughts on the plays of the game,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: whether it's a play call, whether it's a stupid time out,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: whether it's a missfield goal or a miss you know,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: ten men on the field, or whatever happens throughout the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: game that feels really pivotal or an individual let's say
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Saquon goes off or Ceedee Lamb goes off or whatever.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: We're all watching the game, millions upon millions upon millions
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: of people. It's one of the rare instances in America
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: where we all sit down and consume in football. We
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: all think we are, you know, offensive coordinators or general
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: managers or whatever on our couch. So we all have
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: similar opinions and thoughts, whether we agree or disagree with
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: each other, but we're all going through that those mental gymnastics.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I'm a good example of someone that follows the NBA
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: through a couple podcasts, like I'll listen to Winhorse. You know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I used to listen more to Simmons and Rosillo. I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: try to listen to Simmons and Zach Low. It just
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't It doesn't do it for me. But like when
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: they talk big picture stuff, I find it interesting when
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: they start breaking down rotations and like, I'm not watching
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the game, so it doesn't interest me. And I think
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: less and less people are just watching the Pistons play
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the Magic on a Thursday night, So to break down
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the individual games can become very niche, very fast, and
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I think talking big picture with the topics of basketball
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: is the only way to keep people engaged because they're
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: more following it through a thirty thousand foot view, where
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: if I just found a right not only does he
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: know a lot about his team he watches probably if
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: he's a Diard Packer fan, he's probably a big football fan.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I mean he's probably watching Thursday night football, Sunday night football,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: or at minimum paying attention, so he's pretty locked in
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: how the Bears are playing, how the Niners are playing,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: like the other teams that they might see in the playoffs,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: maybe paying attention to the Chiefs and the Bills and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the Broncos, like he's gonna have some takes on players
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: on coaching, on what they're doing operationally, or I think
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: in basketball, like I what's the take to be had
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: for for a lot of people. Now there are some diehards,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: But I just used to watch a lot of it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up loving the NBA it was
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: in the nineties, watching it through the two thousands and
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: even through the twenty tens. I just don't find the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: product as good, doesn't entertain me as much, so I
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: just don't watch it. But I would say the same
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: thing for baseball. I find the Dodgers fascinating, but I'm
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: not watching their games. If you if I was listening
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to someone break down the fourth inning of a you know,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: hit and run or you know them yanking a guy early,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even resonate with me. But if you talk
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: about like big pictures Dodgers seeing the greatest team ever?
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Is the best Dodger team ever?
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: How great? So Tony like that kind of I like
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: that talk.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Now can you do it every day, day in, day
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: out for a decade straight? And I think the NBA
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: has turned into that a little bit, right legacy talk
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: this guy versus that guy, which is gonna be really difficult.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: You could do it with Lebron and Steph, but it
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: becomes a lot more challenging, Like Shay's gonna win the
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: MVP again the Thunder. I think I know these stats
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: from its hell. Sometimes I go on Colin and obviously
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: they talk a lot of basketball. It's like I don't
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: have like hardcore takes, you know, I just don't really care.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: It's nothing really the business I'm in. But in his business,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like he's talking big picture shit. If we're breaking down
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the end of the games like he would do during football,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I would be a fish out of water. But it's like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: is this Thunder team interesting? And that's not really what
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: It's like the Bills? Is their defensive line good enough?
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Is the Bills? Have they drafted well enough?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: The Bills?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Are their wide receivers good enough? Like you're talking specifics,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: we're in basketball. Most people are not doing that because
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the amount of people watching it's different, and it would
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: be hard to capture an audience against a lot of
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: other people content, creating untraditional question for the pod. I'm
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: a part time farmer full time agronomic consultant in Pennsylvania.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: When you talk about your dad's brother's farm in California,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: it always brings me to smile a smile on my face.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: What was your involvement in the farm as a kid
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: and how do you think that shaped your professional career. Well,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't grow up on a farm, and my dad
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: was more of the numbers guy for the farm. I
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: wouldn't say he was out there with a shovel or
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: fucking driving a tractor, but you know, I grew up
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: during harvest season going with him, spending spring breaks driving
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: around with him. Obviously his job he was. You know,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the farm was very close to my house and his
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: office was I mean probably less than seven eight minutes
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: away door to door, so it was very easy to
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: get back and forth. I was around it a lot.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And then when I was probably in junior high, if
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I would get in trouble, you know, at school or
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: with him. I remember one time I got in really
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: big trouble and for like a week straight during the summer,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I got dropped off with the hoeing crew for tomatoes,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: and he basically told me the first day, He's like,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you better bring a lunch, Like, what do you mean?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: He's like, if you don't bring a lunch, you're not
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: a eating. I mean, I was in big trouble and
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I was remember like I was thinking of my head,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: like fuck you, I'm not bringing a lunch. I just
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: got dropped off out there at six am. You know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: this is probably thirty minutes outside of Sacramento. It is
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: probably one hundred and eight degrees and you just worked
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the hoing crew for I don't know, ten hours straight. Luckily,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the people on the crew were cool to me and
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: it gave me some food.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't make that mistake the next day.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: And then as I got in high school, I worked
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: it every summer, you know, from driving tractors to you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: doing all sorts of miscellaneous stuff. It was pretty evident
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: like that wasn't my skill set. It never really interests me.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I wasn't good at the things that needed to be done.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Even though the stuff he was doing there was probably
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: more numbers based dealing with banks interest me. Now at
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: the time, that definitely didn't interest me. And then all
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: like the labor stuff on the ranch, I just didn't
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: have that skill set, Like that's just I don't bring
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that to the table, so I didn't bring much of the.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Table out there.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it because I worked with the guy that
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: ran the whole got the owner of the operations son,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: who actually my brother now works for. And my brother
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: is much more equipped. I'm like a white collar redneck,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: and my brother's got a little bit more, you know,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: he's much more of like a hunter and.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: A fisher and kind of an outdoorsman, you know, drives.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Jeeps up in the Rubicon and Tahoe, which you know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I don't. My outside operation consists of like a golf course,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: So it's like a specific skill set that it just
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. For whatever reason, I never really got
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: into it, and my brother he resonated with him.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: A lot more.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: But like I, you know, I remember one time, you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: technology back in the early two thousands now, my brother
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: was telling me they had tractors. You just press a button.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: It's like a tesla, you know, he just runs itself.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I remember ruining a field because I was driving this
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: tractor basically leveling it to then plant the tomatoes on it,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and you kind of had to be careful because the
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: disc behind you could get one. The disc could break
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: and two. There could be like a basically like too
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: much dirt could get behind it, and then you kind
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: of get stuck. You just kind of got to look
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: behind every once in a while, right, And I just
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: remember it had a radio in it. I was listening
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: to Jim Rome, like slamming a gatorade feed up. You
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: just kind of go long field, just kind of turn
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the corner. I ruined this field the other time. I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: was driving a bankout wagon, and the bankout wagon is
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: basically a wagon that goes next to the harvester, which
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the harvester puts into the wagon, which then the wagon
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: takes to the big semi trucks that you see driving
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: around with tomatoes or whatever in it. And the bankout
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: wagon can haul ass probably goes like thirty forty miles
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: an hour, but it's like this, it's enormous, your way
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: up in the air. It looks like kind of like
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: a monster truck ish. And I remember backing it into
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: this guy's car, but they were meeting like around this tree,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: so they didn't see it, and I don't think they
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: heard it, and I just took off. I just pretended
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: nothing happened. And it was pretty clear when he came back,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: this guy's like dual cab F one point fifty was
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: just indented with a V. It's like, damn, what the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: hell happened to your truck? It was like it had
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to be me U so that that was more me
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: out there on the ranch. I would say it shaped
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: me and still do this day. In my first year
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: in college, I woork construction kind of like a demo crew.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Like that's hard work, like that level of life, like
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: what I do, like working long days or nights or
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you know, seven days a week, Like this ain't hard,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Like that is hard. And I'm very very grateful for
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: those experiences. And I still get to be around it
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: when I go home and go to my brother's office.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: And just kind of see what the hell they're doing.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I went to college where I went to college at
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: cal Poly. The AG program is massive in a lot
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of the the big farmers kids all went to school there,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: so there was a big AGR like an AG frat.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: We used to hang out with a lot, and these
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: guys now are probably running the biggest you know, all
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the farms around California that you know when you see
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the GDP of California it's like they love talking about
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Like you guys realize from Sacramento
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: down to Bakersfield, like the farming community in terms of
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: financially is bringing in a lot of coin, but they
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: never really gets talked about. But it's a lot of
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: those guys running it now. And their lives were hard
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: because when they would go home for spring break, if
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: you ran you know, a massive dairy or whatever, they
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: had to work. You know, we go home for spring break.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: We like went to Cabo that they you know, if
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: you were truly doing, you know, gonna work on the
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: farm where a lot of those people were, which I.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Never was gonna do.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear your take on golfers carrying long,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: expandable golf ball rechievers in their bag. It seems to
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: me like they're usually carried by hackers who slow enough
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: as it is, if we can't ban them, what about
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: making them at least count as one of the clubs
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: in the bag. If you're playing with a guy, it
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: would probably tend to be like a Muni course that
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: has one of the golf ball pond removers in the bag.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I would try to get with a different group. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: uh that that would be an auto auto no go,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Like I would go back in the pro shop and
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: be like, I'm not playing with this guy.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: This ain't happening. That would be my response.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: The other thing is like when a golf ball goes
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: in the water and it's been there a while, even
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: if you yank out the you know, pro v or
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: nice ball, it's been soaked in water like it ain't
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: the same question for the pod, how do you think
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the Patriots will attack this draft? What are your thoughts
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: on the dynamic of Remandre and Henderson backfield? Well, I
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: think the big question with them is what is Rayble
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: gonna talk? Like? Is vrabel going to.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Do a press conference on Thursday night?
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Because if he is, that's the That's the number one
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: press conference I want to see after the draft.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Two would be.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: The Aj Brown Like are they trading a pick for
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: aj Brown?
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Is Aj?
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I was just writing down because I realized last week
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I haven't talked about Travis Hunter in that situation. We'll
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: do that tomorrow because that was pretty interesting to me
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: last week. I think Traveon Henderson could be a really,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: really good player. Is he ever gonna be like Jamior
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Gibbs or something. I don't know about that, but I
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: think we saw flashes down the second half of the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: season that explosives feet speed in the open field. Utilize
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: him in that offense, which is obviously extremely difficult to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: learn with Josh. Once you get a better grasp of that,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I could see him being a monster.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I'm very high in Anderson, you know. I think I
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: think a lot of.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: The question marks with the Patriots are, is will Campbell
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: going to get more technically sound, which a lot of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: like offensive linemen believe he needs to do. Does aj
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Brown end up on their team? And I mean anytime
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: you're drafting at the end of the round, I mean
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: they're probably not going to come out of this with
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: that many impactful players. Hey, John, know you're a big
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: lover of Marquee events, and with the World Cup right
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: around the corner, here's a couple decently priced teams that
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I think is a chance to win come June, Japan
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: fifty five to one, they can win their group and
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: have a favorable path to the final. I'll be honest,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know much about the Japanese roster though. I
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: was just talking to a guy in the sauna, maybe
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: like two weeks ago, who just got.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Back from Japan. And every time I talk to someone
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: that goes to Japan, I think to myself, I want
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: to go to Japan. I'm not a huge I'll be honest.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I don't need to travel that much.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, I like where I live. I'm not huge
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: in hopping on planes and like flying all over to Europe.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Like that's not how I fill my cup. But I
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: really want to go to Japan, and that is a
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: destination that I want to attack over the course of
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the next I don't know decade. Uruguay sixty five to one.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: They have World Cup prestige and a very underrated squad.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Brazil at plus seven fifty, they're not even in the
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: top four in betting odds and have the best coach
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: in the attorney alongside a very solid defense. I can't
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: really add much there. I would say, Brazil, you know,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: plus seven to fifty feels pretty good. Here's what I know,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna fall for this is when we
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: lose and we go two to one in group play
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: and then don't advance, and everyone's like things gotta change, guys,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: things are never changing. We're never gonna be as good
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: as these other people. We don't prioritize it, we don't
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: care about it. We clearly don't cultivate the talent here
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: just I. Unlike the WBC or our hockey team. My
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: expectations for our team would be, like they score a goal,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I'll give them.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: My thumbs up.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: My expectation is zero zilch. I have a hard time
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: closing my eyes and what's the farthest Japan has ever
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: made it in the World Cup? Because it's like, can
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: you close your eyes to see in Japan win over
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: in Italy, Spain, Brazil?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: But I do like those tastesy odds.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: How do you evaluate John Lynch the last couple of years,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like the Niners drafts and signings have been
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: big misses. Does he need a great draft class to
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: keep him off the hot seat? Jeez, you're putting they
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: were sitting the second round of the playoffs. I think
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: the thing with John Lynch, and I get told this
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: by a lot of people in the NFL. In Kawakami,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: who covers the forty nine ers, who talked about this.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I was talking to another GM that knows the forty
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: nine ers pretty well, and he says John's number one
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: job is to handle Kyle. I don't even know what
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: that specifically means. I just know Kyle's a lot, He's
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: a lot on his coaches, He's an intense He's just
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: a lot. And John's skill set of like Kyle couldn't
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: work with most gms.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: This is ain't Andy Reid.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: You know, his personality is a little different. And I
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: think John's skill set to handle the star coach is
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: extremely valuable. And not to diminish anything that John does
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: in the front office. Kyle a lot of the draft picks,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: like the two defensive lineman, the second rounder last year
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Collins from Texas.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: That was a Robert solid guy.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: The coaches have a lot of juice in the forty
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: nine er land. At what point do you think there
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: will be an eighteenth game and how does it affect
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the start time of the season. My guess would be
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: in the next five years, so I would say the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: over under would be like two and a half seasons.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: So this is twenty six, twenty seven, I'd say somewhere
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: twenty eight twenty nine.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I think we're there. I think my.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Guess would be the start time would be the same.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: The season would just go longer.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Could be wrong.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I guess they could start a week earlier. But my
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: guess would be start time similar kind of that first
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: weeksh in September and just go to the end and
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: just push it back so you go even deeper.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: And that way you can push the.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Combine back, you can push the draft back, and you
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: can just put the whole flow of the season because
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: OTAs mean a lot less now, So my guess the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: season starts similar time, it just goes a week longer.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I've been hearing consistently that Wemby is the freak of
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: the NBA and Otani is the freak of baseball. Who's
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: that guy for the NFL who would fit that bill?
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think there is anybody.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's a comparable to either
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: one of those guys. I think there are a lot
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: of freaks in the NFL, Miles Garrett, Trent Williams. You
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: know Sonny Styles is about to come into this league, right,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: You have a lot of guys that are just physical,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: freak outliers, DK metcalf right. But I don't think there's
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: one guy who's clearly the best player and biggest freak currently.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: That's the best part of the NFL. There's a lot
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: of them. Good question, though, question for the bag might
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: be a long one. I heard you mentioned Rice on
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: the podcast the other day, and I read a headline
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: recently where he said to an interviewer, he thinks that
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: he deserves JSN money. Of course, any realistic football fan
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: knows in no world does Rice deserve anywhere close to
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: that type money. But his headline made me start thinking
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: about how allegedly physically allegedly abuse a girlfriend. The NFL
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: closed its investigation and dismissed it. This also made me
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: think of how he crashed into the back of a
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: family minivan on a crowded highway while racing with his
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: friends and he leaves multiple people injured. Oh and he
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: was caught on dash cam footage running off from the scene.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: After the NFL investigated that incident, he got six games,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: He got six games suspension. How does a player with
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: so many public incidences get so much slacked from the NFL.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty simple. I think the NFL years
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: ago wanted to get out of like we don't want
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: to be the judge and.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Jury on everything.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Like that is, when you crash into somebody or there's
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: an issue with a female like that's on the court.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: That's on the judicial system. We're in business here, and
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: our business is to make money and grow. If a
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: guy's get in trouble, it's on the judicial system to
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: figure did this happen?
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Did it not happen.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: That's on the cops, the detectives, the lawyers. And if
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: like he's not going to jail, is that the NFL's problem.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like joh not really. You know,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: if I get a DUI and I work for a company,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: does that impact me at all? If they don't know
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: about it, or if they do know about it, I
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: don't know. You tell me because I mean, I've never
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: got a DUI and I don't work for your typical
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: like you know, corporation. But like, if I get a
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: DUI and I work at Apple, do I get suspended? Obviously,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: if you get a domestic abuse and you're beating your
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: wife or your girlfriend, you're probably getting fired if your
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: company finds.
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  Speaker 2: Out about it.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: But if you get an incident and you tell your
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: employer like this did not happen, and then it comes
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: out nothing happens to you and the case gets dismissed,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: You're probably not gonna get fired because you have a
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: legal recourse to sue your company. Would be my guess.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I've never been involved in an these situations, but why
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: is it the NFL's job to suspend someone if the
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: judicial system does nothing. Now, you can also argue the
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: judicial system is when you have money, you have a
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: huge advantage. I say, the number one advantage. There's always
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: been a take of mine walking into courtroom. It's like,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: if you're poor, good luck. If you're rich, huge advantage
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: to you. You're walking in the courtroom with Jordan and
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Pippen going into an NBA game.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: That's kind of the way it works.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: And I just think the NFL is just like, we
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: don't want that, he said. She said, it's just we
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: don't want to be in that business. And I'm with
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you on some of these crashes, but I don't know.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I just don't think the NFL wants
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: to deal with it. And if you're not getting in trouble,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: they just kind of give you minimum games because you've
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: tarnished a headline. But it's not I don't think they
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: care that much. They do not go to the NFL
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: or any of these pro leagues for setting the moral
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: standard for society. That's not the business or the world
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: they're in. They do not care, truly. They can pretend
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: they do not care, and I'd argue they probably shouldn't.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: That's not the business they're in. Well, they have a
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: lot of impact on the youth. It's on their parents
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: to teach them life lessons, not on fucking Kyle she Hand,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh and Josh Allen definitely not.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Roger mcdell, he doesn't care.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Week before the draft, is there a chance there's already
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: a handshake deal between aj Brown to the Pats and
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: some picks. I think a lot of deals get loosely
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: put in place and you hear about this after there's
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: like a big trade in the first round that we
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: had talked about this on Monday or Tuesday. But there's
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: no you know, part of a handshake deals, there's no
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: guarantee when we signed something like if I sign a
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: player to a contract, he's on my team, or if
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I trade you and it goes into the league and
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: everyone signs off on it, it's done. But a handshake
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: deals like those can fall through. So I'm sure they've
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: had a lot of conversation and now it's just gonna
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: come down to is anyone gonna pull the trigger?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: But I think there's already been this what we're willing
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: to offer? Are you willing to accept the offer? Doesn't
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: that happen a lot with most business.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Deals, So I I would tend to say, yeah, it's
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: there's probably loose.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Negotiations and whether they're.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Far apart or not. You know, we don't have a
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Rossini on the beat anymore, so.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Jmack on the Herd said that Kubiak is upgrading going
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: from Donald to Mendoza. Is that the consensus around the league.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: I feel like Donald is a prospect and a player
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: is superior. Sam Donald was a better prospect coming out
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: of college than Fernando Mendoza. And here's the thing, Fernando
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Mendoza has not played an NFL game. I like Fernando Mendoza,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna be good in Kubak's offense.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Two years ago, Sam Donald threw thirty five touchdowns on
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: a team that won fourteen games, and then last year
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: was the starting quarterback on a team that won the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl and had an NFC Championship game against Matt
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Stafford where he was excellent. So like a prospect. We
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: can debate Mendoza as a prospect, but that's what he is.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Sam Donald is an NFL starter who's currently underpaid. We
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: hope Mendoza turns into that. Now the power of hope
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: and the unknown is real.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: It's like this this.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Draft class in the NBA's aj Debonsa. It's like, well, yeah,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: if he turns into Tracy McGrady or you know, if
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: the dude what's his name on Arkansas turns into Kyrie
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Irving or Chris Paul's fucking awesome.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: But what if he doesn't? What if he never makes
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: an All Star team?
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: A cuff right, If would have Mendoza, he might be
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: But he might not be. That's that's part of the draft.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: There is no guarantee that Fernanda Mendoz.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Is gonna be a good NFL player. Nud Do I
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: think he will be? I do? Would I bet my
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: life on it? No?
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't bet my life on any draft prospect. Ever,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: we have way too many examples, so I would say
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: that they hope for Nando Mendoza in a couple years
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: is as good as seventy five percent, as good as
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold is now.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Because they do a good job building up a team,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: they'll go to the playoffs.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: This guy sent me a picture and this kind of
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: has gone viral that Rory McElroy won the Masters twice
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: since the last time the New York Jets got an interception.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: At what point does Justin Jefferson get beyond frustrated with
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: this quarterback situation. I know he's been an ideal teammate
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: and a good sport so far given the ups and downs,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: but I cannot see another year with poor quarterback play
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: and believe he will remain calm. He has to believe
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: he is the best in the league and have We
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: have not seen any diva out of him, but I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: think another crap quarterback year could bring the diva out.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Man. Also, I think the Vikings need to draft a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: running back in Day two of the draft. I've heard
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: this is a bad running back draft. I mean, obviously
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah loves sweet, but that most people say the next
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: best prospect who is He's explosive returner, good player out
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: of the backfield Price.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: The other running back from Notre Dame.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Then I think a lot of guys are not viewed
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: as like top hundred players. This is not one of
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: those drafts where there's like quinch On Jenkins and Trayvon
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Henderson's you know, in the draft. So I would not
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: from my people that have been banging the bushes watching
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of the running backs, not a great draft.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I would say with Justin Jefferson, it's naturally a diva
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: position because you're on an island. You then become a star.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Whin you're good, but you also are very dependent on
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: someone else. So if it's not working, the thing that's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: not working makes you look bad, even though you're balling right.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Last year, he's running all around and JJ McCarthy can't
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: hit water if he's in a boat. So I would
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: say this is a big year. I don't like the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Vikings this year. I'm out of the Vikings, like I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: think it's not gonna go well. Not because I don't
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: think Kevin O'Connell's good, not because Justin Jefferson's on a star.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I just think that they got some question marks with
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: the roster. The division is good, and I just can't
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: see this Kyler Murray experiment going and I think if
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: it starts slow, I think it could get weird. And
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I know they went nine to eight, but at one
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: point last year they were four and eight, So I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: think this season could get really weird really fast. And
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: anytime a wide receiver, most people are not Larry Fitzgerald.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: They just put a smile on their face and are
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: like the ultimate teammates. Most wide receivers worst case scenarios
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: liketerrell Owens or Antonio Brown. But a lot of guys
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: become somewhere in the middle. Larry Fitzgerald all time outlier,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: things will get really ugly. He just kept a smile
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: on his face. Justin Jefferson, I think would have a
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: hard time doing that. There were moments last year where
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: you could tell he was frustrated. I didn't even blame him.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Then I met him at the Super Bowl. Just high
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: level dude. Justin Jefferson's really impressive.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, if this doesn't go well.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: The Viking, I think the Vikings could get weird.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: I think the Vikings could.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: They don't have a general manager, who knows if they're
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: going to hire one after the draft. I know, they've
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: kind of said they might, but who knows, and it's
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell making all the draft picks. They do have
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: a good you know, having Kevin O'Connell and Flores obviously
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: can carry.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: You a long way. But I don't know.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: This thing could get the Caps a little off. They
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: missed on a bunch of draft picks because Questy was terrible.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I think, my gut, my gut sitting here right now,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: maybe things change. Vikings could get really weird this year.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: The volume