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Fraggle Talk: Back to the Rock - Ep. 211 "Lost and Found Fraggles" · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Hello and welcome to Fraggle Talk Back to the Rock, the
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  unofficial Fraggle Rock podcast brought to you by toughpigs.com.
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  This is the podcast where we cover Fraggle Rock Back to the
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  Rock episode by episode, along with the talented producers,
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  performers, writers and builders who helped put it all together.
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  I am your host, silly creature Joe Hennes.
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  Today we're talking about Season 2, episode 11, Lost and Found
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  Fraggles, in which you get a twin and you get a twin and you
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  get a twin. Everybody gets a twin.
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  Yay twins for everyone. This week we've got 2 fantastic
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  special guests. First up is a puppeteer who
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  performs Measure, Doozer, Brio the Troubadour and Moki's right
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  hand. It's Kira Hall.
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  Hello, Kira. IE thank you for having me on.
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  Thanks so much for being here. Our 2nd guest is all over the
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  rock as Ma Gorg, Marjorie the Trash Heap, Sherry Contrary and
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  more. It's Amy Garcia.
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  Hi, Amy. Hi, Hi.
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  Hi, hi, hi. I'm so happy to have you both
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  here. This is such a joy to get to
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  talk about Fraggle Rock with you.
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  I cannot wait to dive into this episode with you, or I should
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  say dig into this episode. We're going deep underground for
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  this one. Amy, let's let's start with you.
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  You are credited as the Co puppet captain along with John
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  Sartaglia on the season. What is it?
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  What does that mean? That means I get to, I got to
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  organize who went where, who did what, like extra puppet.
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  You know, when we get our scripts, most spoken roles are
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  assigned and they pretty much know which puppets they're going
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  to be performing in. But any extraneous little
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  characters. So like, I'll like refresh
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  people on choreography and, like, make sure that they're
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  seen and that they're looking where they're supposed to look.
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  So I'm always like, eyes on the background, you know, as the
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  scene is going on up front. Yeah.
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  So John couldn't handle that all by himself.
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  I know. Right.
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  He I get it. He's a busy guy.
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  Yeah. No, but remarkably enough, I I
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  bet if, if I wouldn't have taken this on, he would have
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  absolutely been able to handle it.
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  He's just, I don't know how Johnny Tartaglia does it.
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  His brain is compartmentalized in a way that no other humans
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  is. He is able to do all things.
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  I'm pretty sure that he's a magical creature.
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  So. And and he doesn't sleep.
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  I I just assume. I, I, yeah, I don't think he
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  does either. I really don't.
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  I really don't. Don't know how he would fit it
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  in, No, Yeah. No.
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  Yeah, yeah. Well, you know what it it takes
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  a lot to bring Fraggle Rock to life.
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  And if there's one person who's going to have sleep deprivation,
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  then it's all worth it. Unfortunately, that person is
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  John Tartaglia. We'll say Amy is absolutely
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  selling yourself short. I love you, Johnny.
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  He, he couldn't do it on his own.
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  Come on. There.
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  There's how many of us 24? How many puppeteers are we?
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  They're they're about, yeah, about 24, yeah.
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  And we're all goobers. We're.
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  Terrible paying. Attention.
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  We love goofing with each other. And Amy.
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  Yeah, Amy was stepping in as the Co captain this season and
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  incredible like Amy is such a great leader, so clear.
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  So like I I what's the word I'm looking for?
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  You're just you got your stuff, you got your biz together and
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  trying to watch my mind, my phrisology, my PS and QS, but
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  no, Amy's just So what? You're an incredible leader and
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  like, it was so awesome having you in that role this season
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  because I felt like we were just in such good shape.
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  Oh you're so sweet, nice to see. Yourself.
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  No, no, no, no, thank you. I I appreciate that.
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  But like this was an an an insanely talented and very I I
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  know that they're all like, you know that you're saying that
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  that everybody was a goober. Yes, that is all true, but you
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  are all my people. And it was it was.
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  I felt like I am the Mama bear right now and I'm gonna make
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  sure all, all my little Cubs are, are, are taken care of.
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  So that, that felt good because I know there there were a, a few
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  puppeteers who had really leveled up from season 1 to
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  season 2 that were maybe a little nervous that they weren't
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  going to be able to, to get utilized more prominently.
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  And it felt good to, to sort of like, you know, kind of like
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  nudge that opportunity a little bit.
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  That felt, that felt really, really, really great, I think
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  for everybody. But yeah.
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  So what? First of all, I have to put this
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  out there 'cause I'm sure someone else had the little
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  tingle in their brain. Goober Fraggle, let's have to
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  say it out loud. Second of all, Amy, as you're
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  talking about puppeteers who kind of leveled up for Season 2,
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  would you consider Kira to be one of those people?
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  Oh my God. Well, the episode that we're
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  talking about specifically right now.
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  Like Kira was MVP on this one, hands down.
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  I don't think what's weird about the crediting in in on on the
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  episodes is that you don't actually get to to see the list
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  of everything that Kira had their hand in.
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  It was like, as I was watching Kira, did you?
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  Did you? Were you also like and that's me
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  and that's me and I'm over there.
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  That's. My mom, we we sit and watch the
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  episodes when I visit her and I'm like, OK, so I'm in this
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  hand at this point and then I'm helping out.
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  I'm under Cotter pin here and I'm that RC thing in the
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  background. OK, now I am actually Cotter pin
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  and hold on now I'm Yeah. And you were all.
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  Over like, I don't think that there was a single frame that
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  you weren't a part of. There were a few cause like,
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  like Amy said, I assist Donna primarily.
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  So I'm usually there assisting for mochi or Cotter pin.
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  And then in this episode, I think I know you jumped in doing
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  some of Donna's stuff. Ali Eisner jumped in doing some
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  of Donna's stuff because I was focusing more on leader.
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  But yeah, you know, you just wiggle around wherever you need
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  to go. So that's a good segue to my
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  next question that I have here, which is like this episode that
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  we're about to talk about. There's so much doubling in this
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  episode, and like, through many definitions of that word.
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  So when you're asked to sit in as someone else's character
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  because the main performer is busy doing something else, is it
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  scary or is it exciting? No, it is absolutely terrifying,
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  at least for me. Are you kidding me?
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  I mean, and like, there are very few puppeteers who are able
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  like, like Andy Hayward is a master at being able to like
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  completely absorb every nuance, every little every little oomph,
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  right? And.
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  To to. Picking up what other puppeteers
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  are doing so it doesn't seem but man, I put on a puppet.
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  I'm like, this is the only way I know how to move it and I try
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  try my best vocally. I think I can I can match
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  somewhat, but holy moly, there are just some I would.
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  Please God, don't ever ask me to be a Wembley in anything because
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  Jordan is so dialed in, you know, like it's I'm so proud of
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  this team. Sorry, I'm like babbling more
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  coffee now. OK, bye.
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  No, you're right. It's it, there's, I do think
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  it's exciting I because I get into that nerdy stuff like what
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  what is the difference between how Moki moves versus how, you
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  know, like boober moves? I kind of had that bandage
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  ripped off very early. We were shooting the first song
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  in Season 1. Party, party in Freckle Rock.
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  Party down in Freckle Rock. Joe's gonna know all the
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  accurate terms and titles, and I'm not gonna know nothing like
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  I'm. Gonna like, I'm gonna sit here
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  and correct you. It's.
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  Gonna have you. Like this on my podcast?
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  Loud. But right at the end of that,
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  Marvin walks in front and goes, oh, I like that right, Frank
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  doing his thing. And Frank wanted to be and
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  Marvin at that moment. So for that last bit of the
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  Frankel 5 dancing, he was like, hey, Kira, can you do Boober for
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  me? So I was like.
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  OK, sure. And did my best.
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  And you know, it was a dance thing, so thank goodness I had
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  some leeway. But yeah, it's, it's a blend of
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  thrilling and terrifying. Anytime I've had to step in as
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  Moki, I'm like. OK.
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  Just make Donna proud. And Kira nails it every time.
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  But can we also like this is the thing that I I wish had been
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  recorded. So like I'm kind of segueing
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  into into leader and into Catherine O'Hara and and Kira.
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  Kira's. Impersonation of Catherine
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  O'Hara, which was a little Moira rose ish, which I was really
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  thrilled about. Was.
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  So. Frighteningly dead on.
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  I like and I was saying, is this a Canadian thing?
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  Is this like you, all Canadians are Canadians?
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  I was like. Oh my God.
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  I. Want her to do all things.
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  You were spectacular, and I hope somewhere in the world there
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  exists the version of you voicing that character.
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  You know what I mean? Because you left such a like so
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  much space for Catherine O'Hara, I guess, to come in and and dub
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  right and be able to because you, you hit every mark.
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  It was fantastic. Well, it's truly A-Team effort.
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  And I think I'm sure this has been talked about on the podcast
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  before, Joe, that when we have someone doing a celebrity voice,
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  they give us a scratch track. So we get used to their
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  intonation and their cadence and everything kind of what they're
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  planning to do with the lines. And then we do our best version
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  of that on the set. We're not trying to like lip
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  sync to their recording, but we're doing a performance, which
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  is I think super smart because then it's way more connected and
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  then they come back in and do the ADR.
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  So the scratch tracks that Catherine had recorded that they
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  sent to me were bonkers. Like she is the queen of the
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  unique line read. And I think that's why I
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  channelled the Moira Rose stuff when I was trying to do it on
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  set because you know, she's got such a great Catherine.
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  O'Hara is such an amazing character actor and Moira in
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  particular just choose the crap out of every line you give her
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  and done the same with leader like these wonderful choices
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  about the musicality of her lines and how quickly or quietly
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  she said things. And so it was a bit
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  intimidating, but I was able to go in knowing that she was
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  probably going to want to make some more bigger choices like
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  that. And so that definitely empowered
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  me to do my best, Catherine O'Hara.
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  That I could. Oh God, it was so good.
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  Feel free to say no, but can you give us a taste of of what that
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  sounded like? Hold on a second.
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  You get in character, this is like that, like James Lipton
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  being like, can I talk to leader right now?
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  Is later in the room with us, right?
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  Now I'm focus. Hold on, I'm just pulling up.
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  The Herb Erdlinger Winery Script OK In the Lee of a picturesque
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  Ridge lies a small, unpretentious winery, one that
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  pampers its fruit like its own babies.
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  Hi, I'm Moira Rose and if you love fruit wine as much as I do
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  then you'll look. Anyway, you get the idea.
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  Beautiful. So that was it was basically
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  Moira Rose, but with that gobo energy, right that.
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  If only the script had the word Bebe in there, that would have
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  made it perfect. The found fraggles.
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  Oh, I like that. Not enough to change it, but
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  it's nice. That's so good.
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  It's like she's in the room. I love it.
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  Well, let's talk about this episode.
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  This episode actually picks up where we left off in the
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  previous one, where the Fraggle 5 plus Lanford and Cotter Pin
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  are entering this new mysterious cave and there's always weird
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  statues and tapestries around. Before we talk about what we
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  actually what actually happens here, I want to talk about this
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  set design. It threw me off.
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  I can't speak for other Muppet, other Fraggle fans here, but it
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  threw me off a little bit that the statues are really just
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  armatured fraggles. So it's like, are they statues?
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  Are they frozen? Like did it look a little bit
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  more different in person than it did on the screen?
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  Or is it? Was it just that?
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  Or was it just like Gray armatured puppets on display?
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  I can't remember now, Kira, can you like?
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  Yeah, it was, it was, I think we were going for like museum
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  diorama, right? And it was the armature puppets,
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  you know, staged in a way that you might go see.
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  Like these are the Cavemen at the Natural History Museum
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  there. There were some moments of it's
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  a little taxidermy. Yeah.
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  I mean, maybe they do things differently down there, like
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  when a when a Fraggle dies, you just stuff them and they're
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  always there. I I'm just going to go with it's
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  lost Fraggle craftsmanship. They have really unique way of.
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  Yeah, and, and there there's some cool stuff back there too.
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  I I I should have taken more time to look at all of them, but
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  there's one that's pretty visible on on screen of a
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  Fraggle riding a Gorge chicken. Oh yeah.
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  I like that. I like that.
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  I like, I like thinking about like the lost Fraggles hunting,
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  you know, prey. On the backs of.
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  These giant chickens. Yeah, there's definitely some
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  complex agricultural practices in.
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  Totally. Yes, but I.
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  Don't know if they hunt them, they probably just use them as
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  transportation because like I think that for the most part
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  fraggles seem to be pretty vegetarian.
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  That's true. Yeah, except for Icy Joe.
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  Icy Joe admitted to eating Doozers in her day.
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  It's. Been delicious.
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  No. They're radish flavored, aren't
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  they? No.
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  No, like I see Joe is the only fraggle who knows the taste of
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  meat. Do doosers also eat radishes?
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  Oh, that's a good question. I don't know.
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  I don't think so. It's building material for them.
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  Why would they eat that? Right, So what do they eat is
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  the question. Well they they nibble on the
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  strawberries, so you do see that in season 2.
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  But whatever they eat, it's probably very efficient.
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  Like it's probably like they've got the whole thing in a in a
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  pill or in a gel. Soylent.
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  Yeah, it's Soylent. Yeah, Soylent.
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  Oh, no. Oh, no, it's doozers.
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  Only the greatest doozers. No, no, but.
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  You have to. Do it in a Doozer voice, Joe.
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  It's Doozers, That's right. Yeah.
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  Oh, no. OK, let's get off this topic as
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  fast as we can. So.
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  So Barry Blueberry pops up to give a like a previously on
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  Fraggle Rock recap to to no one, I guess.
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  Unfortunately, he is not paired with Cherry Contrary in this
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  moment. But because Amy, you are here,
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  let's talk about Cherry Contrary.
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  First of all, I love her. She's great.
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  Oh my God, thanks. She was not supposed to be mine
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  like like the the vocally she was supposed to.
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  Can I say this part like that she was supposed to be Maya
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  Rudolph? Really.
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  And so I was as, as Kira had, you know, trying to give a lot
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  of space for that world of, of somebody coming in and and ADR
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  in 'cause I did not receive a scratch track and I was.
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  Just like, OK, let's just let's just.
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  Wing it. I'm gonna wing it.
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  I'm gonna do my best big old girl right so.
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  And then even even vocally, in one of the episodes, she sings
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  their version of the national anthem.
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  It I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
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  And, you know, I, I had kind of rehearsed this random thing and
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  when I went to perform, it was like, OK, I'm good, that's good
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  enough. Let's move on.
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  First of all, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but like, first
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  of all, when we talked about that episode, I can't remember
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  who which who our guests were, but we were all raving about
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  your national anthem, which was hysterical.
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  But second of all, that now knowing that it it was
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  originally conceived of as being my Rudolph, that's got to be a
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  reference to her Saturday Night Live sketch where she sings the
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  national anthem. Oh.
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  Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  That's so funny. I know, right?
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  And Can you imagine if it would have been?
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  Her well. I mean.
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  Just get her for another character because here's The
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  thing is, you are wonderful as Sherry and I don't want to take
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  that away from you, but I do love Maya Rudolph and I'd love
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  to see her on Fraggle Rock. We'll think of something else
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  for her, you know, see Amy doing Sherry and they're just like,
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  yeah, OK, Quietly pick up the contract for Maya Rudolph.
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  Drop it in the shredder. OK.
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  Love you, Maya Rudolph, but no, Amy, you.
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  I'm so glad you got to be. And then just you and Johnny
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  goofing together is the greatest treat.
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  That that was, that was pretty, pretty sweet.
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  That was yeah. That it, it's always, it's
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  always fun to be in the playpen with John Tartaglia.
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  But like, to get to be the contrary to his blueberry was
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  even more special. And I just love that she was
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  pink, you know, like the whole pink and blue.
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  Like it just, she's so over the top with her, like,
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  newscasteriness. It's like I dance.
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  The I've said this on this podcast before, but the disdain
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  that that Barry Blueberry has for Cherie contrary of just like
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  gritting through his teeth, like for the like look, he that smile
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  on for the camera. I think that's the funniest
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  thing. I love that.
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  I love that new dynamic for season 2.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  And Johnny is able to play that so impeccably.
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  Like it's when you think about it, it's a, it's a puppet.
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  He's able to communicate that through his voice acting and
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  also just like the tiny little, you know, nuances in his
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  manipulation. I'm just, I'm always so
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  impressed by what he literally like pulls out of him in play
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  time, even, you know, when the cameras are off and we're just
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  kind of all because that's, I'm, I'm sure other people on this
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  podcast have talked about it. When the cameras are off, we're
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  still goofing around with those puppets on.
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  Like we're like, and, and a lot of times I feel like it's like
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  people have a radar or, or they're watching us and they're
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  like, oh, that's a yeah, let's say we should probably, you
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  know, 'cause I've, I've seen a little bit of our play time
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  maybe appear in other, you know, in, in other scenes or, you
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  know, I don't know, It's I, I encourage the play.
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  Yeah, good, good. That definitely comes across,
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  especially with characters like this who who seem to be able to
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  do anything. Sherry and and Barry can just,
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  they could say anything. They could do anything.
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  It's in character. That must be so much fun and
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  freeing to just get to riff and not have to worry about like,
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  well, would you know the the puppeteer from, you know, 40
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  years ago who originated this character really do that?
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  It's like, no, you, you made it up.
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  You could do it. No one's gonna tell you you're
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  wrong. We were kind of, I think all
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  told as well, yes, we're honoring OG cast absolutely for
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  sure. But the since this is kind of
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  like a parallel universe to, to the, the, the OG that that it's
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  OK to have those liberties. And I keep thinking of it in the
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  way of like, so we have this box, right.
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  Then we have this box of crayons and we can color whatever we
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  want to like whatever color we want to color inside of the box,
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  as long as we stay within the lines.
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  And that's how I sort of feel like the the liberties that
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  we've been given. It's is that correct?
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  Alright, that's all I'll say. That well, that, but that's
• 22:10
  that's the nice thing about a soft reboot is is, yeah, as long
• 22:13
  as it's the same shape and color.
• 22:15
  Like that's. Fine, but like, mess with it.
• 22:18
  Have fun with. It it's fine is because it's
• 22:21
  also that goes way back to Jim Henson's days of best idea wins.
• 22:27
  You know it doesn't matter if it's not in character like
• 22:30
  continuity is not as important as is this good is.
• 22:33
  This fun is. This is are we getting the
• 22:35
  message across? And it's just good TV.
• 22:40
  Yeah, for sure. So Gobo does not know what to do
• 22:45
  now that they're they're in this place.
• 22:47
  And Wembley suggests that he think about the one Fraggle that
• 22:49
  he turns to for inspiration. And I like this moment.
• 22:52
  Moki's like, yes, me, but do I have it in me at the moment?
• 22:56
  And she's just immediately ignored.
• 23:00
  Moki's self-confidence is truly delusional, but it's I.
• 23:07
  I have so much respect for it. It's true, we can all use a
• 23:10
  little bit of that, I think. Yeah, right.
• 23:14
  I love delulu. I don't know if the kids are
• 23:15
  still saying delulu, but. I think I'm I think I'm too old
• 23:20
  to know what that means. Delusional.
• 23:23
  Delusional. Delulu.
• 23:26
  Oh, Delu. OK, yeah, that's a new one for
• 23:30
  me. Well, I can't use it now if if
• 23:32
  the kids are already not using it.
• 23:34
  I'm I'm I'm behind the times on delulu we.
• 23:36
  We start using it and then the kids stop.
• 23:39
  Right, that's how it works. Yeah, you.
• 23:41
  Get to. Kill all the slang.
• 23:43
  Once the adults figured out how to dab, that was the that was
• 23:46
  the death of the day. Yes.
• 23:51
  So Gobo Wembley revisit the story of how Traveling Matt
• 23:55
  discovered the radish and they cleared their throats and they
• 23:58
  continue to clear their throats as a long moment to them
• 24:00
  clearing their throats. It's very cute and they
• 24:04
  flashback to the story of young traveling mat and he has this
• 24:07
  like flowing blonde hair. He's got a bushy eyebrows, a big
• 24:11
  bushy orange mustache. He's wearing like an Indiana
• 24:15
  Jones hat and he's got the whip and he's like striking a pose
• 24:19
  like Captain Morgan with his leg up.
• 24:22
  It's pretty great 'cause I would actually buy AT shirt with this
• 24:25
  mat on it looking very heroic. Oh, that's a great idea.
• 24:29
  That's a good idea. Yeah.
• 24:31
  Yeah. Henson Licensing, are you
• 24:32
  listening? And I also appreciate that as
• 24:36
  he's doing this, there's an ink spot behind him that's like kind
• 24:39
  of just lounging and like, not really paying attention to him.
• 24:43
  And we see him like breakthrough a Rockwall.
• 24:46
  And he goes into the Gorg's garden.
• 24:47
  Junior Gorg sees him, presumably the first time Junior has seen a
• 24:51
  Fraggle. I don't know.
• 24:53
  And he runs it. Matt.
• 24:55
  Matt dodges him. It's all kind of happening in
• 24:57
  slow motion. He whips Junior's legs around
• 25:00
  the ankles and it makes him fall over.
• 25:03
  And then Matt discovers the Gorg's garden, and it's full of
• 25:07
  radishes, and the age of radishes has begun.
• 25:11
  And that's it. That's how we did it.
• 25:15
  We're going to talk a lot in this episode about how, you
• 25:18
  know, discovering something, quote UN quote, discovering
• 25:20
  something does not actually necessarily discovery if you're
• 25:24
  not the first person to find it. But even within the context of
• 25:27
  the story, like I guess, yeah, sure, he's the first Fraggle to
• 25:31
  find radishes, but like, obviously someone else's is
• 25:34
  already like knows enough about radishes to be able to cultivate
• 25:38
  them in a in a farm. So this story is full of holes
• 25:42
  is what I'm saying. Can't sneak anything happen.
• 25:48
  Yeah, right. So the Fraggles start to explore
• 25:54
  The Cave. They're looking all these
• 25:56
  statues and one of them looks very realistic and is in color.
• 26:00
  The rest of them are like Gray. This one is multi colored.
• 26:03
  It's so realistic. It looks like it's alive and it
• 26:06
  is alive. It's leader, as we've been
• 26:09
  discussing, voiced by Catherine O'Hara Legend and performed by
• 26:13
  you, Kira. What?
• 26:15
  What a cool thing you got to do. What a treat.
• 26:19
  Johnny asked me about it, and I was like, both immediately
• 26:22
  intimidated and incredibly excited.
• 26:25
  Yeah, it's. I don't even know what else to
• 26:27
  say. Like I got to do a puppet for
• 26:29
  Catherine O'Hara. That's rad.
• 26:31
  That's super rad. So first of all, you mentioned
• 26:36
  earlier we were, we were talking obviously about like getting
• 26:39
  Catherine O'hara's intonation of like how she speaks or how she
• 26:44
  does character. But you, you kind of casually
• 26:46
  mentions that you're also trying to copy Gobo a little bit.
• 26:51
  So what does that look like to you?
• 26:53
  Or is it even possible to like, tell us exactly what you were
• 26:56
  doing to try to mimic Gobo's style?
• 27:01
  Well, it's and it's Johnny's gobo too.
• 27:04
  So it's like who I think has a little more like pep than the OG
• 27:13
  than Jerry Nelson gobo. So yeah, just trying to keep and
• 27:18
  I mean, the the costume does a ton of work for me already.
• 27:21
  And the shape, like she's gobo shaped so little things like the
• 27:28
  way that Johnny wiggles when he's puppeteering gobo or like
• 27:34
  does a little tail waggle when he's dancing and the sort of
• 27:38
  like he has a kind of looseness. To.
• 27:43
  Him in terms of head gestures and kind of like nodding to
• 27:47
  punctuate things. This feels very strange to say
• 27:50
  out loud. Right.
• 27:51
  Yeah, I realized as I was asking the question like it's such a
• 27:54
  weird thing of like, how do you, can you tell me how you move
• 27:57
  your arm? Like what AI get?
• 28:00
  That's not easy, Yeah. Oh, but it's it's completely
• 28:03
  valid to think about. Did you ever do like theater
• 28:05
  classes or improv stuff? Yeah.
• 28:11
  Did you ever do the thing where someone goes in the inside of
• 28:13
  the circle and walks, and then you'd have to walk behind them
• 28:15
  and imitate how they walk? No, I don't know that one.
• 28:19
  OK, that's that's literally all it is.
• 28:20
  It's just an exercise in changing your 'cause you don't
• 28:25
  really think about your walking pattern, thinking about changing
• 28:28
  that to find someone else's pace, find where they're leading
• 28:32
  from physically, just looking for those little details.
• 28:35
  And I think that's sort of the, that's the main way that that
• 28:39
  energy came into leader was trying to just find some of the
• 28:43
  same physical hallmarks as Johnny Bobo.
• 28:47
  And a lot of that has to do with that confidence.
• 28:49
  Sort of like here I am. It's not quite, it's not quite a
• 28:54
  Peter Pan thing, but it's close to a Peter Pan thing.
• 28:57
  You're talking about like, as you know, like arms out on your
• 29:01
  on your hips, you're fits on your hips.
• 29:04
  Yeah, like your hands on your hips and your head is up and
• 29:08
  you're around and you're active and you're engaged and you're
• 29:12
  confident 'cause you're in the lead.
• 29:15
  Right. Yeah, this is this is that weird
• 29:17
  thing. I've seen other puppeteers do
• 29:19
  this really it's for like the the most famous of puppeteers,
• 29:23
  you know, like the Jim Henson, Frank Oz, Jerry Nelson types
• 29:26
  that like they can, they can say, oh, well, Jim moves his
• 29:30
  hand in a Figure 8 and you know, Jerry Nelson drop syllables and
• 29:34
  like there's all these little hints and I would never in a
• 29:39
  million years be able to like enunciate that myself.
• 29:43
  But once other people say it, you go.
• 29:44
  Oh. Yeah, like if they do do that,
• 29:47
  like John Tartaglia is one of those two.
• 29:49
  And I think that's because he's all over this show that I've
• 29:52
  started to notice, you know, when he's playing someone other
• 29:54
  than Gobo and I'm like, that's Johnny.
• 29:56
  I could tell. Like I could tell like the way
• 29:57
  they're moving, it's very like, like you said it, like the head
• 30:00
  moves. He's very wiggly.
• 30:01
  He's very side to side. You know, certain dance moves,
• 30:04
  especially when the when there's choreography, you could tell
• 30:07
  like that. One where he's like twisting the
• 30:09
  shoulders. Yeah, yeah, he moves all the.
• 30:11
  Time the shoulder? Yeah, head of static.
• 30:14
  That's very. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:17
  Same thing. There are scenes that obviously
• 30:20
  I wasn't there on the day for whatever reason, I just wasn't
• 30:23
  part of that scene. And they'll be a little
• 30:26
  background character that has a moment and I'll do the same
• 30:28
  thing. I'll go, OK, based on how
• 30:31
  they're moving or how that in like who's that in there?
• 30:35
  And there's been a few Andy award.
• 30:38
  It's I feel like I can always spot Andy.
• 30:40
  I'm like, Oh yeah, that's Andy. OK, but Andy.
• 30:45
  But yeah, I love that you're you're doing that too while
• 30:47
  you're watching. That's so fun.
• 30:49
  I mean, that's the benefit to like, being the kind of nerd
• 30:52
  that I am and also like being on my 4th rewatch of the show where
• 30:56
  I can like, yeah, really start to look at, OK, I know, I know
• 30:59
  the plot, but like, what's happening, right?
• 31:01
  Over there in that little. Corner.
• 31:04
  Yeah. So leader.
• 31:07
  Which by the way, let's just one more thing about Leader.
• 31:11
  We're going to see in a second that all these fraggles have
• 31:14
  interesting names, but Leader seems like such a like a generic
• 31:17
  title. Do you know the background
• 31:19
  behind why Leader is called Leader besides the obvious of of
• 31:22
  her being the leader? Nope.
• 31:25
  No. That's fine.
• 31:28
  I kind of thought like maybe like, so we know that gobo is a
• 31:32
  lighting term, maybe leader is too.
• 31:34
  But I don't know. I'm making that up.
• 31:37
  All right. Well, we'll, we'll table that.
• 31:40
  Maybe it'll come to us. So she invites all the other
• 31:45
  lost Fraggles out and they start to sing their first song of the
• 31:49
  episode, which is the Lost Fraggle Rock theme song with
• 31:53
  lyrics like Hide yourself away underneath the rock today, lose
• 31:57
  the light of day underneath the rock.
• 32:00
  And we meet four out of five of the Fraggle 5, the lost Fraggle
• 32:05
  5. There's leader Wrigley is in
• 32:09
  place of Wembley, both names of stadium, famous stadiums, Soupy,
• 32:15
  which is Boober's doppelganger, and Run and Jump, which is Reds,
• 32:20
  which is what a name Run and Jump is.
• 32:22
  Yeah. Really tells you everything you
• 32:23
  need to know. Exactly.
• 32:27
  And they all look like they're doppelgangers.
• 32:29
  They're all different colors of different details, kind of mix,
• 32:32
  like, like Run and Jump has one ponytail instead of two, that
• 32:35
  sort of thing. And yeah, it's a really catchy
• 32:39
  song. And as Moki points out, there's
• 32:42
  something spiritually familiar about it, and we may never know
• 32:45
  what that is. Who's?
• 32:47
  To say. Who's to say, But that's fun.
• 32:52
  I love that little nice little detail to just like give them
• 32:54
  their own little theme song and, you know, kind of imitate the
• 32:58
  opening of the of the main show. Any other thoughts about that
• 33:02
  song before we move on? Anything that was really fun or
• 33:04
  exciting to do with that number. Well, the choreo, the quarry was
• 33:09
  like, that was also just like the opening, you know what I
• 33:12
  mean? Just like the opening.
• 33:13
  So like to be able to revisit that with people who might not
• 33:17
  have been as close to the camera that we're like way deep in the
• 33:21
  background. It's just like, OK, come on,
• 33:23
  guys. Like we're on Season 2.
• 33:25
  We're. Putting you right on the front
• 33:27
  in this one. Like for them to have that
• 33:30
  opportunity to like get to do their version of the opening was
• 33:34
  was pretty, pretty cool. And I think it was it was cool
• 33:37
  for them as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 33:41
  Actually, this is probably a good opportunity to talk about
• 33:45
  these 4 characters. We'll get to our fifth one in a
• 33:51
  little bit once once they show up.
• 33:52
  But so we were talking earlier at the top of this episode about
• 33:57
  doubling and, you know, multiple people playing the same
• 34:01
  character. But here we've got literally
• 34:03
  we've got, you know, someone playing Wembley and someone else
• 34:06
  playing a Wembley, look alike, sound alike and same for all
• 34:10
  four of these characters. So I don't know if I really have
• 34:14
  a question here. It's just it's just so
• 34:16
  interesting. I'll just I'll just keep
• 34:18
  talking. It's so interesting to see like
• 34:21
  characters doing impressions which we don't see on Fraggle
• 34:25
  Rock very often. I feel like Muppets do it every
• 34:28
  so often. Like I'm thinking specifically
• 34:29
  of the the mad advertising frogs from Muppets Take Manhattan,
• 34:34
  that they're all kind of doing Kermit the Frog impressions the
• 34:36
  way they speak, making fun of gym a little bit.
• 34:40
  But here, yeah, we've got a few more of those.
• 34:43
  I don't know. Do you guys have any thoughts on
• 34:45
  on, you know, doing doing impressions that are just a
• 34:48
  little bit off for like specifically for the camera?
• 34:51
  I mean, in in this episode, I could say that it what made it
• 34:54
  easy were were that the lines were so were so quintessentially
• 35:01
  similar to what the OG Fraggles would have said.
• 35:04
  You know what I mean? Like what the Fraggle 5 would
• 35:06
  have said that it was I, I think and was easier to slip into a
• 35:12
  lot of the impersonations than if they were just like, you
• 35:15
  know, random lines that maybe weren't written as, as
• 35:21
  succinctly, you know what I mean?
• 35:23
  Yeah, I could see that like, like if I'm making this up, but
• 35:27
  if like Soupy was like really fun loving and exciting and you
• 35:31
  know, like different from boober, then that wouldn't
• 35:33
  necessarily be a boober impression.
• 35:35
  That would just be someone who kind of looks like Boober.
• 35:37
  So this way it's like, Nope, they're like the same guy.
• 35:40
  Just do, just do your boober. Best Boober.
• 35:44
  We all love Soupy and Uber by the way, that was like, we all
• 35:47
  know Fraggles are ace Arrow, but like we were shipping Soupy and
• 35:52
  Buber hard. They're like, it's a neat cute
• 35:55
  of the century. Look at these two.
• 35:58
  Rules. Oh, I kind of like that idea, to
• 36:01
  be honest. Especially, Yeah, we we went
• 36:04
  into, you know, a whole metaphor for for orientation with Buber
• 36:10
  in Season 1. And Ali Eisner plays Soupy and,
• 36:16
  you know, Ali is, is non binary as well.
• 36:19
  And like, it's just like there's all this stuff that could be
• 36:20
  going on behind the scenes and all this conversation about
• 36:24
  gender and identity that just happens throughout Fraggle Rock
• 36:27
  that I don't know, maybe, maybe they're perfect person.
• 36:30
  Is the person who's exactly like them you.
• 36:33
  Could be that like Studio Ghibli sort of romance where nothing
• 36:37
  actually happens but you can tell they both deeply impactful,
• 36:41
  just like doing their laundry and not even looking at each
• 36:44
  other or making their soup. They're both total Sundare, so
• 36:48
  it's, you know. Yeah, I love this idea for them.
• 36:54
  We should also point out Run and Jump is played by Ingrid Hansen,
• 37:00
  who does a fantastic job, and Wrigley is Andy Hayward.
• 37:06
  And yeah, I mean. There's no.
• 37:08
  Question. These are all talented folks.
• 37:10
  That. First scene both going.
• 37:12
  That's one of my favorite moments.
• 37:15
  Oh. Good.
• 37:18
  What? What do you mean do?
• 37:19
  Is there a name for that that grunts?
• 37:20
  Is it just a Wembley grunt? That's a great question.
• 37:26
  I wonder if Jordan has a an official title for it.
• 37:29
  We're gonna find out. We're gonna, we're gonna get to
• 37:30
  the bottom of this. I feel like that's one of those
• 37:33
  things where like there's a name.
• 37:34
  We call this behind the scenes, yeah.
• 37:39
  Honk. Yeah.
• 37:41
  Honk. Yeah.
• 37:42
  Is it a honk? Is it a grunt?
• 37:43
  Is it AI? Don't know.
• 37:45
  Is he just revving his motor? Yeah.
• 37:48
  Happy walk, struggle. Yeah, it's a little bit of a
• 37:51
  struggle. Yeah, he might have to have like
• 37:54
  tight joints. At this point in the episode,
• 38:01
  we're going to check in with Doc and Sprocket, and we'll just go
• 38:03
  through their whole story real quick so we don't have to jump
• 38:05
  back and forth. But Doc is trying to figure out
• 38:07
  how to build wind turbines that could float on the ocean, which
• 38:10
  is a great idea, by the way. I assume that that's real
• 38:13
  science. I don't know.
• 38:15
  It's not my expertise. I'm AII do a Fraggle Rock
• 38:18
  podcast, not a science podcast. I wiggle dolls.
• 38:22
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, for wind power, ocean, I
• 38:26
  can't, I can't deal with that. But simply sound there we go.
• 38:29
  That's that's my my point of expertise these.
• 38:35
  Wind turbines will be. Great for the environments, but
• 38:38
  just as importantly, the dolphins would think that they
• 38:40
  look cool. I like that she's got to go to
• 38:45
  work and she has this great moment where she rips off her
• 38:47
  jumpsuit like it's like it's like held on by Velcro and she's
• 38:51
  got her pirate waitress outfit underneath.
• 38:53
  She did a quick change, and she tells Sprocket that the model
• 38:58
  has to stay untouched while she's gone so we can collect
• 39:01
  data. And of course, like, what would
• 39:03
  you think he was going to do? He immediately breaks the whole
• 39:05
  thing so the data is incorrect. She comes back, she's really
• 39:11
  excited. She, you know, Sprocket doesn't
• 39:13
  tell her the truth. But the best part of this, this
• 39:15
  whole sequence is that Sprocket has a dream sequence where Doc
• 39:20
  calls the president of science, is discovered to be a fraud and
• 39:25
  sent to science jail, and then Sprocket has to visit her in
• 39:29
  prison. And they do the thing where they
• 39:30
  touch hands against the glass like Kirk and Spock at the end
• 39:34
  of Star Trek 2. God is that good?
• 39:40
  The dream sequences. That that the show in this
• 39:43
  season has added for Doc has has added so much to make those
• 39:47
  sequences fun and to give Lily Cooper something really fun and
• 39:51
  interesting to do other than like be away from the rest of
• 39:54
  the Fraggle Rock action. Back underneath Fraggle Rock,
• 39:58
  Gobo hopes that they can connect with the last lost Fraggles
• 40:02
  because they're just so different.
• 40:04
  And this is where they all kind of meet their own doppelgangers
• 40:07
  and they find out that they're all identical except for Moki.
• 40:10
  Moki doesn't have a counterpart and she's feeling really left
• 40:14
  out, which is sad. Like I feel like I don't know if
• 40:19
  this is deliberate. I would be surprised if this was
• 40:20
  deliberate, but it feels a little bit like before Back to
• 40:23
  the Rock, whenever there was Fraggle Rock merchandise, Moki
• 40:27
  was the one who was left out. And it does feel like, yeah, we
• 40:31
  forgot there was five of them. We only made four.
• 40:34
  Sorry. Poor Moki.
• 40:38
  Poor Moki. Alone at the party, A couple.
• 40:41
  Yeah, Just watching. Everybody else have fun and
• 40:44
  she's kind of fool herself into thinking it's fine.
• 40:48
  Yeah, I think like the hardest. The hardest for Moki in that in
• 40:52
  that episode too is knowing that Langford had a doppelganger and
• 40:57
  then even. She's like, well, at least I
• 41:00
  have Lanford here. And then Lanford finds his
• 41:02
  mushroom buddy, Manford. Manford so cute Dan and.
• 41:12
  Jen right? Jean Viaf Yeah.
• 41:16
  So yeah. Yeah, one of.
• 41:18
  The Calgary Puppeteers. It's delightful, great and and
• 41:23
  Dan. Garza was the other person you
• 41:24
  mentioned just getting that last name in there.
• 41:26
  Dan Garza is is the head of Manford.
• 41:29
  Yeah, which is great. I just and and I appreciate
• 41:32
  that. Just like everyone else looks
• 41:35
  slightly different, Like they could you could have made a
• 41:37
  second Lanford and just made it blue or something like no, it's
• 41:40
  a mushroom. Very different.
• 41:43
  Yeah, he's a. Real fun guy and thank.
• 41:51
  You should we just end the podcast.
• 41:53
  Here, just go out with a bang. Got it.
• 41:57
  I think where are. We going to go from there?
• 42:00
  Yeah. Really.
• 42:00
  God. Downer The rest of this
• 42:02
  episode's going to be Speaking of Downers, Kotterpin introduces
• 42:07
  herself and all the lost Fraggles laugh because they're
• 42:09
  like, you can't be a Doozer. Doozers are extinct.
• 42:13
  And so rather than like them being like, oh, well, obviously
• 42:17
  there's a Doozer here with these new people who just showed up
• 42:21
  how to pinch just like like she's starting to feel bad like
• 42:24
  I don't know what she's feeling bad about, but she's like, they
• 42:26
  don't believe that I even exist, even though I'm right in front
• 42:30
  of them, which I guess makes sense too because as a Doozer,
• 42:35
  she believes in in facts and data.
• 42:37
  And it's like, look, the the fact is here in front of you,
• 42:41
  and I am telling you that I am a Doozer.
• 42:43
  And Nope, they think that's hysterical.
• 42:46
  Yeah, poor. Poor Cotterpin that.
• 42:49
  I mean that, like you said earlier, the whole episode is
• 42:52
  kind of about the concept of revisionist history and
• 43:00
  convincing yourself of the truth of a history that isn't actually
• 43:06
  true. So there's definitely some some.
• 43:09
  Denial happening. Here right, you could have the
• 43:12
  thing that's true right in front of your face, but if you believe
• 43:14
  so strongly that no, of course Doozers are extinct that so
• 43:19
  logically you cannot be a Doozer that's.
• 43:24
  That's. Just how it's going to be that.
• 43:27
  Reminds me so. Much of Did you ever watch the
• 43:30
  sketch comedy show The State? Yes, yes, yes.
• 43:35
  Yes, Kira, it was. It was a sketch comedy show on
• 43:38
  MTV in the 90s and like all of the people from the state went
• 43:42
  on to be like the folks from We know 911 and what Hot American
• 43:46
  Summer and like all these other cult classic things.
• 43:48
  And there's a sketch short sketch called The Bearded Men of
• 43:52
  Space Station 11. And it's like 4 guys are on a
• 43:56
  space station and they all these big beards and another person
• 43:59
  comes in and he says I'm here to tell you, the Bearded Men of
• 44:03
  Space Station 11 that beards cannot grow in space, therefore
• 44:07
  you're all aliens. And they go beg to differ.
• 44:13
  We grow. Beards because.
• 44:14
  We're the beard of men of space Station 11.
• 44:16
  And then first guy goes, no, you're not.
• 44:19
  You're obviously aliens. And like, that's the whole
• 44:21
  sketch. It's just a very calm
• 44:22
  conversation where they're trying to explain your data is
• 44:26
  wrong and we're the proof right in front of you and they just
• 44:29
  don't want to hear it. And that's the whole thing.
• 44:33
  It's very funny. It's funnier than I make it.
• 44:34
  Sound. I like the title.
• 44:38
  The bearded man of. Space Station 11.
• 44:40
  It's good stuff. You should also watch the.
• 44:42
  State it's a great show. Oh yeah.
• 44:44
  The. State is a.
• 44:44
  Great show. Absolutely.
• 44:46
  What's interesting about that, the state sketch and and this
• 44:49
  Fraggle sketch as well, is that it is still so timely.
• 44:55
  Yeah, it's like. No, if I.
• 44:58
  Say something enough times you're going to believe it.
• 45:01
  It's that best base of like, wait, no, but there are facts,
• 45:05
  right? So anyway, unfortunately, why?
• 45:09
  Why is? That why is it that that has to
• 45:11
  be so timely. I hate that.
• 45:13
  I don't want I don't want the world to be this way.
• 45:15
  I know, but it was timely. Then as well, which makes me
• 45:18
  believe like did did I just did I just literally like start
• 45:21
  paying attention that's. Not easy going.
• 45:26
  Anyway, yeah, I could early and. This would have been early.
• 45:29
  Internet days then I, I don't know, I feel like the ability to
• 45:34
  get truthful and reliable information when the Internet
• 45:39
  started and started to become more popularly used, I think we
• 45:44
  had an increase in that. Like we started doing a good job
• 45:48
  of artifact checking and then somewhere in the last 10 years
• 45:52
  or so we've just kind of it it's completely slingshotted around
• 45:58
  into the trash. Like it's so hard to distinguish
• 46:04
  real facts, real science, real, real information about what's
• 46:08
  happening in the world from what is perhaps driven by a different
• 46:14
  motive. So it's or even not driven by a
• 46:17
  motive, but just driven by someone's confirmation bias.
• 46:19
  So I don't know I that's just my theory about the Internet, but
• 46:25
  people will always benefit from having their own narrative of
• 46:29
  how things should be so. And in this case.
• 46:35
  How? Things should be but also.
• 46:36
  Like and what was or what, you know what I mean?
• 46:40
  Like literally revisionist history, right?
• 46:42
  I mean and things that like we did.
• 46:44
  Think like that. We maybe even had good reason to
• 46:47
  think, you know, like this whole story about travelling, Matt
• 46:50
  discovering radishes like there was no one to disprove him.
• 46:53
  And as far as Matt knew, he was discovering radishes.
• 46:57
  So, you know, things that were facts can be proven as like
• 47:03
  actually we've learned, we've got new information and we can
• 47:05
  change the, you know, the way that we think, but you have to
• 47:08
  be willing to change and adapt and, and listen.
• 47:12
  And honestly, that's why this show, Fraggle Rock is so
• 47:15
  important because because we're not necessarily delivering
• 47:18
  facts. This isn't like a kind of show
• 47:20
  where we're teaching, you know, letters and numbers and history
• 47:23
  and etcetera, but we're hopefully teaching kids who are
• 47:26
  watching. You got to do your research.
• 47:29
  You got to listen to the right people.
• 47:30
  You have to be willing to adapt. You have to be willing to, you
• 47:34
  know, like hear something that you thought otherwise and be
• 47:38
  willing to change your own way of thinking.
• 47:40
  So this is very important stuff. I'd love that you flagged
• 47:44
  adaptation. Because, I mean, we always see
• 47:46
  the messages about interconnectedness and
• 47:48
  cooperation and working. With others.
• 47:53
  But yeah, adaptation is a huge theme in in both, both of the
• 47:58
  new seasons for sure. You know, working with what
• 48:01
  happens when the water goes, what happens when strawberries
• 48:04
  show up and the radishes go down.
• 48:07
  And it's by working together that they're able to adapt.
• 48:11
  So I hadn't, I hadn't clocked adaptation as a major theme
• 48:15
  before. So thank you for that, Joe.
• 48:20
  Yeah. I mean, I, I wish I could take
• 48:22
  credit for it, but I think it's, it's just there.
• 48:24
  It just seems so prevalent on Fraggle Rock.
• 48:28
  And you know what? This is a good show, you guys.
• 48:30
  This is like a really smart show that like like might actually
• 48:34
  end war as Jim Henson wanted. Oh God, wouldn't that be great?
• 48:39
  Wouldn't that be great? But.
• 48:40
  Honestly, baby steps, and this is the kind of baby steps we're
• 48:42
  talking about, you know, any, any little bit here, any anyone
• 48:46
  who's watching who's going to take a lesson home with it.
• 48:48
  That's that's the goal, Yeah. So meanwhile, while all this is
• 48:55
  going on in the Gorg's garden, that dust storm is still going
• 48:59
  on. And the best part about it is
• 49:01
  there's a tumbleweed that has like a face and it's rolling by
• 49:05
  going tumble, tumble, tumble. Who is that and how did that
• 49:09
  happen? I mean, like, how did the hell
• 49:10
  did you guys do that? That shot?
• 49:13
  Oh, that, That was me. I puppeteer it was RC it only
• 49:17
  all that it did was just move in a circle and then they digitally
• 49:23
  then moved it across the screen, across the screen.
• 49:26
  So they took a static shot of it just tumbling with me.
• 49:29
  Like tumble tumble. Like doing it off of an RC thing
• 49:33
  but so secret. That's so interesting.
• 49:36
  So you're so it. Is.
• 49:37
  Rotating in real life where like, I mean, if they were going
• 49:41
  to have it, if they were going to put it in in post anyway to
• 49:44
  have it move across the screen, I guess they could have had it
• 49:47
  rotate. Just rotate, yeah.
• 49:49
  They were rotating, went to an extra mile there.
• 49:51
  Yeah, yeah. But also like I.
• 49:53
  Think once it started to rotate because I just kept shooting it
• 49:57
  like it started to like. Fall apart a little bit because.
• 50:01
  It was, I mean, it wasn't made of actual tumbleweeds, but it
• 50:03
  was made to look like tumbleweeds and it was on this
• 50:05
  mechanism. So it was just like the more
• 50:07
  it's fun. It was just like, oh God, what
• 50:09
  is it turning? Into I don't know what.
• 50:11
  Kind of creature that is, but just like this like machine
• 50:14
  thing with like all of this like tumbleweed stuff, kind of
• 50:16
  separating from it. So they like slow down, slow it
• 50:19
  down. Yeah, that's kind of amazing.
• 50:21
  It's also. Very much like a tumbleweed like
• 50:23
  it would. That would happen, you know,
• 50:25
  that We would break apart. Yeah.
• 50:27
  Yeah. I assume I don't live anywhere.
• 50:29
  Near where there's tumbleweeds. I don't know what they look
• 50:31
  like. Just like that with mouth.
• 50:35
  Right. Film it.
• 50:39
  Because then you still get a sense of gravity, right?
• 50:41
  Because the tumbleweeds would tumble as it moves.
• 50:44
  So you still have that horizontal movement, but if
• 50:46
  you're turning it, you still, I mean, yeah, it would be static,
• 50:50
  you know? Tumbleweed, but it.
• 50:51
  You still might get that sense of like this is that direction
• 50:55
  is where the ground is rather than if you just look thing.
• 50:58
  Held it in the same. Spot and went turn, turn, turn,
• 51:01
  yeah. I don't know what I'm talking
• 51:04
  about. I'm no, you absolutely do.
• 51:06
  It's like. The sympathetic movement of like
• 51:08
  the, the, the, the little hay or whatever was, I can't even
• 51:12
  remember what it they were like little sticks.
• 51:13
  It's just like they were they were feeling gravity in the way
• 51:16
  that a tumbleweed does when you see it kind of roll tumbleweed
• 51:20
  talk. No, you're you're.
• 51:22
  You're totally you're. Totally on point.
• 51:23
  And this is the kind of thing where I feel like you all are so
• 51:27
  good about going the extra mile and, you know, just doing a
• 51:31
  little bit extra to make it feel real, where like, maybe nobody
• 51:36
  would have noticed it. But also in this day and age
• 51:38
  with the days of streaming, where we're probably going to be
• 51:42
  watching these episodes over and over and over again and really,
• 51:44
  like, dissecting them. And I'm not talking about like,
• 51:46
  just me as the fans, but like, you know, kids or parents
• 51:48
  watching at home. You know, if a kid is really
• 51:50
  into a show and they want to watch it, you know, many times
• 51:53
  that like, eventually. Yeah.
• 51:56
  And if there's like scenes that make it look not real or make it
• 52:00
  feel less in the world, then you're really going to start to
• 52:03
  see them after a few. Times and so.
• 52:04
  By adding that weight, by letting it rotate and you know,
• 52:08
  whatever, whatever it is that you have to do it really, I
• 52:12
  think it adds a lot to the rewatch ability, even if you
• 52:14
  never really notice it well. And that's like, I think.
• 52:18
  You know, in the direction sometimes that like that, that
• 52:21
  this is like a way bigger conversation And and I don't
• 52:23
  want to derail it, but like in in the direction that most
• 52:27
  puppet shows are going nowadays where they they won't have a
• 52:31
  full set. Like I worked on Slumberkins,
• 52:33
  which didn't, which had a digital set.
• 52:35
  Like it was even more important that the practical pieces felt
• 52:40
  real and that, you know, if the puppets were stepping on
• 52:44
  something that it felt it felt real and that that wasn't
• 52:47
  digital, you know, and that wasn't digitized.
• 52:49
  And I think that we really pay attention to that sort of stuff
• 52:52
  on Fraggle because the moment that somebody can see, can
• 52:57
  clock, you know, that's digital. You disengage because you, you,
• 53:02
  you literally disconnect as a human.
• 53:04
  It's like there's just something unspoken where you understand
• 53:08
  that there's another person that there's a person connected to
• 53:12
  that puppet that's being performed as opposed to just
• 53:15
  watching something animated, which animation is great.
• 53:18
  But if you've even noticed with animation, animation is becoming
• 53:21
  more and more realistic in order to connect and, and, or you know
• 53:24
  what I mean? So it's like we're all striving
• 53:26
  for the same thing, but just in different ways, I think.
• 53:31
  But. It's bounce off what you were
• 53:33
  just saying, you know, and animation can look very
• 53:35
  realistic, but the thing that we've learned is that over time,
• 53:39
  doesn't matter how realistic it looks today, 10 years from now,
• 53:42
  it's going to look old because animation get better.
• 53:45
  And it's funny, 'cause I was, I just the other day is Speaking
• 53:48
  of Catherine O'Hara, I went to go see the New Beetlejuice
• 53:50
  movie. And there are a lot of scenes in
• 53:55
  there. A lot of scenes where you could
• 53:57
  tell they went the extra mile and did practical effects.
• 54:00
  And there's puppets and there's real sets and like all the stuff
• 54:03
  that like Tim Burton didn't really use in his last few
• 54:06
  movies. And then there's one scene where
• 54:09
  there's a cake and it's oozing this green liquid and the whole
• 54:12
  cake is, is CG and all the liquid is CG.
• 54:15
  And it took me out of it because so much of the movie was real
• 54:18
  with CG just kind of, you know, improving things just a little
• 54:22
  bit. And there and then suddenly
• 54:23
  you've got this big animated piece and like, who cares?
• 54:27
  You know, because it doesn't look as real as a puppet.
• 54:29
  It doesn't look like I can reach out and touch it.
• 54:31
  It doesn't doesn't make me grossed out by seeing, you know,
• 54:35
  the green goo come out of this, this cake.
• 54:38
  So, you know, that's it. I mean, that's really brings me
• 54:41
  back. I think Fraggle Rock Back to the
• 54:43
  Rock is such a shining example of that because the CG that you
• 54:48
  all use on the show is so minimal just to enhance that
• 54:54
  everything feels real. I never noticed the CG on the
• 54:56
  show and that's, that's just so cool.
• 55:00
  The weight of a puppet. It really makes a difference.
• 55:04
  I I mentioned. This when I was on for the pride
• 55:07
  thing so my apologies if I'm repeating myself, but we had
• 55:10
  this book of special effects in my house when I was a kid.
• 55:14
  Just like how film special effects work.
• 55:16
  Things like the matte paintings or stop motion, all the Foley,
• 55:21
  like all of the real practical effect information.
• 55:26
  And then at the end it was like 2 pages on, oh, CGI is coming.
• 55:30
  Is this the wave of the future? Which I was like, whatever,
• 55:34
  there's a dragon in there. It kind of looks.
• 55:35
  But the rest of it I was always. Fascinated by and they.
• 55:39
  Talk about also fire and water and how you do all of that in a
• 55:42
  film. And that's a different category
• 55:45
  because then why not make it safe if you can?
• 55:47
  But there's something about like seeing a tactile space and
• 55:55
  seeing tactile things on screen where you're like, I could go
• 55:59
  there, I could go there and I could be part of this and I
• 56:04
  could touch that and pick it up and, you know, feel the texture
• 56:09
  of it. And that's it's, I don't know,
• 56:13
  I'm not I, I, I should learn more about the psychology of it
• 56:15
  because it's so fascinating, but that that word tactility always
• 56:20
  sticks for me. I want to see things on screen
• 56:23
  that I feel like I could have a full sensory experience of.
• 56:29
  And you don't always get that with CG if it's not well
• 56:33
  executed. The other thing that that that.
• 56:37
  Also, does having those tactile, tactile things, tactile elements
• 56:40
  to it is that it doesn't inspire you as you know as a young
• 56:46
  artist? Or whatever to want.
• 56:48
  To create those sort of sort of things or want to be in that
• 56:51
  world. So it's just like it, it, it
• 56:54
  just everything kind of goes full circle, you know what I
• 56:56
  mean? Oh, wow, I, I can make that.
• 56:58
  And that's when you see little kids, you know, make drawings or
• 57:02
  their own versions of characters in the show or I don't know, I
• 57:07
  think I think that having those elements is very important and.
• 57:13
  You know, I think especially. For kids entertainments to feel
• 57:17
  like you could walk down the street and run into Big Bird
• 57:21
  because Big Bird is real. That like you could turn a
• 57:25
  corner and like you could find yourself on Sesame Street, you
• 57:27
  could find a fraggle hole and the Fraggles are there.
• 57:30
  And I don't think you feel that way.
• 57:31
  About. You know, Frozen, SpongeBob, you
• 57:35
  know Louie. I mean, they're not that any of
• 57:37
  these are bad for any reason, but there's always things that
• 57:41
  disconnect from reality for anything that's animated, but
• 57:43
  from puppets and for practical effects.
• 57:46
  And to be able to have that, not just the like you said, like you
• 57:52
  could reach out and touch them, but like that they could
• 57:54
  actually be real. They could be in your in your
• 57:56
  real world. And if you're teaching
• 58:00
  something, well, not only are. Right they, right they are, yes.
• 58:05
  Right. And if you're teaching
• 58:07
  something, if you know that, like that character is in the
• 58:09
  real world and they're telling you something important, that's
• 58:11
  I think that's going to sink in for a kid a lot more than it
• 58:14
  would if it was, you know, a CG creation that exists on some
• 58:19
  other plane of existence. Totally.
• 58:23
  Yeah, wow. We.
• 58:25
  Got real deep. On in the weeds on this one.
• 58:27
  I know. Yeah.
• 58:29
  Do you? Want to drink a water?
• 58:31
  Before we get back to whatever the Gorgs are doing, the Gorgs
• 58:35
  Speaking of, of actually Speaking of, of real locations,
• 58:38
  the Gorgs go into a new place that I don't know if we've seen
• 58:42
  before. They're inside the shed, the
• 58:45
  Gorg's Gorg's garden. I, I don't, maybe we saw this on
• 58:48
  the old show. I didn't have a memory of it.
• 58:50
  I didn't bother to look it up. But like, that's pretty cool.
• 58:53
  Like just for the scene, they had to get out of the storm and
• 58:55
  they go right into that shed and it's just full of Gorg stuff.
• 58:58
  It's all shitty in there. And the light dappling through
• 59:03
  the windows, right? Doesn't it look so pretty?
• 59:06
  Oh my God. I.
• 59:07
  Love the lighting. Again, it puts them in a real.
• 59:09
  Space, you know, takes advantage of what they.
• 59:11
  Have there? On, you know, in the Gorg's
• 59:14
  universe, and I don't know, we always wonder what was in that
• 59:18
  little shed back there. Now we know it's it's gorge
• 59:21
  stuff. It's gorge stuff.
• 59:22
  It's almost. Like, that moment, to me, sort
• 59:25
  of reminded me of when I was little.
• 59:27
  I always imagined what was inside of Oscar the Grouch's
• 59:30
  trash can. And I always wanted the camera
• 59:32
  to go down into the trash can to, like, let me just see his
• 59:35
  house. And in my head, like, I always
• 59:39
  imagined it anyway. But now we know it's in the
• 59:41
  shed. That's right.
• 59:44
  It's not a man cave. Or a org cave.
• 59:47
  It's like it's a shed. Yeah.
• 59:49
  I mean, is there anything? Cool in there that you guys
• 59:51
  noticed. I I just assume it's all I
• 59:54
  didn't. I didn't notice anything like
• 59:55
  Easter eggs or whatever, but maybe there is.
• 59:57
  I think there were. Yeah, I'd be.
• 1:00:01
  Astonished. If there weren't Easter eggs in
• 1:00:03
  there, Yeah, right. Well, especially.
• 1:00:06
  You know, it's probably a lot. Of old props from from the old
• 1:00:09
  show. Because why would you create all
• 1:00:11
  new stuff? You probably just literally take
• 1:00:12
  whatever's in the drawer and just Chuck it on the floor, put
• 1:00:16
  it all over the table, hanging off the walls.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Yeah, All right.
• 1:00:21
  Well, we're. Going to have to go back and.
• 1:00:22
  Do some pausing. Really.
• 1:00:25
  Do some research. We'll have the Muppet Wiki folks
• 1:00:27
  tell us. OK, here's a list of all the
• 1:00:29
  reuse props that are in the Gorg's shed.
• 1:00:32
  Paul says to Junior that they listen to their Gorg sesters
• 1:00:36
  without questioning or updating their methods.
• 1:00:38
  They used the Gorgomax. They had a ton of waste.
• 1:00:41
  Where did they go wrong? And.
• 1:00:46
  It turns out they look at their at their book and that was a
• 1:00:48
  list of what not to do Classic mistake.
• 1:00:56
  I do, I do love. I have to.
• 1:00:57
  Give Dan Garza and Ben Duerchet some props here for their
• 1:01:03
  performances, Junior, because junior's, like, he has this
• 1:01:07
  explosion of just like, like we were supposed to learn from our
• 1:01:10
  mistakes. And now history is repeating
• 1:01:13
  itself. And he's a little nail on the
• 1:01:15
  head there for the lesson. But he's not wrong.
• 1:01:18
  Yeah. Yeah, can I?
• 1:01:21
  Can I? Just say here I I've been
• 1:01:23
  meaning to send this to all the Gorg performers, Amy and Ingrid
• 1:01:29
  and Frank and Andy and Ben and Dan, and I just didn't get
• 1:01:33
  around to it because my brain is garbage.
• 1:01:36
  But I'll say it now that just watching the Gorg work on this
• 1:01:39
  season, you talked at the. Beginning of the episode about.
• 1:01:43
  Levelling up, Oh my God, like if you were fantastic in season 1,
• 1:01:48
  just the level of nuance and like synchronicity with all the
• 1:01:54
  Gorg performers is incredible. Like that was some of my
• 1:01:58
  favorite stuff to watch this season was you guys just being
• 1:02:02
  so in tune and MA especially so. The you and.
• 1:02:07
  Ingrid worked so beautifully together with Ma this.
• 1:02:10
  Oh, God, thank you, thank you. Yeah, Major, Major.
• 1:02:13
  Kudos to our to our Gorg performers because wow, like
• 1:02:19
  beautiful work. Yeah, I think that.
• 1:02:21
  That all Gorg performers really learned a lot from season 1 as
• 1:02:27
  to what they were already able to do and then and how to
• 1:02:32
  improve right. Like so I need I would like to
• 1:02:36
  be able to see better or I would like to be able to any of those
• 1:02:40
  things. And also I know that creating
• 1:02:45
  MA, I would not be able to do it without Ingrid.
• 1:02:48
  So getting Ingrid's input throughout it all is helps helps
• 1:02:54
  me as well. So what are you physically able
• 1:02:57
  to do? And so then I can sort of dance
• 1:03:00
  around that to allow. Ingrid's version of Mata.
• 1:03:05
  Come out as well. So I, yeah, it's, it was a big
• 1:03:10
  learning curve and, and I'm so pleased that it's, it's visible
• 1:03:16
  because it, it felt a lot easier second season.
• 1:03:22
  It's really cool. Like anytime I'm working on a
• 1:03:24
  new puppet character, that's part of the thing you consider
• 1:03:27
  is what are the physical capabilities of an actual
• 1:03:31
  puppet? I can't, if I can't do a move
• 1:03:33
  that looks like XYZ, that's not going to be part of this
• 1:03:37
  character's vocabulary. And so you and Ingrid have this
• 1:03:40
  whole other layer where you have to, Ingrid has to consider like
• 1:03:47
  the built puppets capabilities and then you're considering that
• 1:03:51
  plus Ingrid's capabilities, which for Ingrid is quite a lot
• 1:03:55
  and she has. To work with.
• 1:03:58
  Whatever the face is able to offer and whatever you're able
• 1:04:01
  to do with the RC controls. So that's.
• 1:04:05
  That. That's a Galaxy brand moment.
• 1:04:08
  I like that. And and.
• 1:04:10
  Just to add on to that. Too specifically talking about
• 1:04:13
  Ma Gorg our one of our big, I don't want to say complaints,
• 1:04:17
  but like one of the things that we kind of came out of season 1
• 1:04:21
  hoping for more of was like get Ma out of the castle because we
• 1:04:25
  never saw her. We didn't know she had legs back
• 1:04:28
  there, You know, like she's just always kind of dunking through
• 1:04:32
  the window or like through the door, you know, whatever.
• 1:04:34
  We didn't really see much of her, and especially in the back
• 1:04:37
  half of this season, we're getting so much good MOG Org
• 1:04:40
  stuff, which I'd never thought even on the old show we don't,
• 1:04:43
  we didn't get great MOG Org stuff.
• 1:04:45
  So yeah, it's great to see it. Not only, I mean, because it's
• 1:04:50
  I'm going to add a third person. Like you're talking about your
• 1:04:52
  performance with Ingrid to create Ma, but there's also,
• 1:04:56
  it's also in the writing where like Ma's given good stuff to do
• 1:04:59
  and you really have an opportunity to show off and to
• 1:05:02
  create this character. So now Season 3 got to get them
• 1:05:07
  some songs like the Gorgs don't really do they sing at all in
• 1:05:11
  the season? Not, not really.
• 1:05:14
  In the latter half of this. Episode we have the great Amy
• 1:05:17
  Garcia show. Yeah, that's right, you are
• 1:05:19
  singing in. This episode, aren't you God, I
• 1:05:21
  forgot already. We'll get there.
• 1:05:23
  OK, that's a that's a sign that we got to move on with the story
• 1:05:25
  so we can get to get to that and talk about that.
• 1:05:27
  Good God. All right, so Speaking of Ma
• 1:05:30
  Gorg, she's in this next scene. She's having her conversation
• 1:05:33
  with Marjorie the trash heap, and Marjorie looks so tiny next
• 1:05:38
  door. We.
• 1:05:42
  We were talking about this before we were recording, but
• 1:05:44
  like, it's, it's we think of the trash heap as being this huge
• 1:05:48
  pile of garbage. And then once you see her next
• 1:05:50
  to a gore, you're like, oh, you're like a little leaf pile.
• 1:05:52
  Yeah, a sensible amount of garbage.
• 1:05:55
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:05:57
  It's not anything. To be concerned about?
• 1:05:59
  No, No. It actually seems.
• 1:06:01
  Like it's a normal amount of like, yeah, they're composting,
• 1:06:04
  you know, like it just. Yeah.
• 1:06:05
  They haven't like backed it up yet.
• 1:06:07
  Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Exactly.
• 1:06:10
  So Amy, you are, you're you're doing double duty here.
• 1:06:13
  You're performing two different characters.
• 1:06:17
  Was when you were performing in specifically in these scenes
• 1:06:20
  with Margarine and Ma together, were you just like painfully
• 1:06:24
  aware of like how do I make sure that I keep these two voices or
• 1:06:27
  these two personalities separate or as they are built in?
• 1:06:33
  I was having. Like panic attacks about it.
• 1:06:36
  I was like, I because you know, everything resonates in your
• 1:06:39
  head and I was like, they sound exactly the same to me.
• 1:06:41
  I don't know how to make them different.
• 1:06:44
  But then when I heard when I heard the recording back of the
• 1:06:47
  song, I was like, there was like a little bit of a relief and I
• 1:06:51
  was able to sort of let go and, and be able to to get into it a
• 1:06:56
  a little bit better. But but yeah.
• 1:07:01
  And. We.
• 1:07:02
  We shot because. Obviously like.
• 1:07:06
  Both of that we, we need, we need elements of, of, of both
• 1:07:13
  groups of people to be able to do that scene.
• 1:07:15
  So we shot that scene separately and just kind of digitally glued
• 1:07:20
  it together, which I think looks really good because it doesn't,
• 1:07:24
  there's never any actual physical interaction between the
• 1:07:26
  two of them. So that's what I think sells
• 1:07:28
  that moment. And the way that the whole thing
• 1:07:31
  is sort of laid out it you buy it.
• 1:07:35
  But yeah, it was, it was tricky. And we were like all trying to
• 1:07:40
  remember what? The.
• 1:07:43
  Inflections were and what the movements were like.
• 1:07:46
  I tried to be very, very consistent.
• 1:07:48
  When I'm working, we're partnering up with people like
• 1:07:52
  for Ma Gorg. Kira is also inside of Ma Gorg
• 1:07:55
  as well as Ingrid. So it's the three of us inside
• 1:07:58
  of of mom to put archery. Oh, sorry.
• 1:08:01
  Marjorie, sorry. Marjorie, sorry.
• 1:08:02
  Not Ma. Not enough coffee.
• 1:08:04
  Sorry. Yeah, you're getting them
• 1:08:07
  confused. Sorry so inside of.
• 1:08:09
  Marjorie, there's, there's the three of us.
• 1:08:11
  And so I, I always try to say vocally consistent and then for
• 1:08:16
  the three of us to sort of do a little bit of a rehearsal of
• 1:08:19
  what we all want to see and then continue to record that.
• 1:08:24
  And the same goes with Ma, you know, just to make sure that we
• 1:08:30
  get the timing right and and all sort of sync up.
• 1:08:34
  But yeah, I. Would not.
• 1:08:36
  I wouldn't, I don't. I don't take any credit for
• 1:08:38
  that. This is all my two Co workers
• 1:08:42
  who are just exceptional that make it look that way that that
• 1:08:48
  is very kind. Of you, but also it's hard to to
• 1:08:50
  believe you when you say I don't take any credit when you're
• 1:08:53
  performing too. No, no, like.
• 1:08:56
  Larger than life characters. Here, no, I feel like it.
• 1:08:59
  No, but it's I just feel like it was both like vocally it was
• 1:09:02
  easier. It was easier to perform because
• 1:09:06
  that groundwork was laid down and because I had had my panic
• 1:09:09
  attack early, it got it all the way.
• 1:09:13
  Very efficient. Out of the way.
• 1:09:14
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that song was fun to
• 1:09:17
  record. And I, you know, we all had
• 1:09:19
  joked afterwards, it's like, oh, I want this song to, like, get a
• 1:09:24
  disco version and just, like, sneak it into all the gay clubs,
• 1:09:28
  You know what I mean? Like, Oh yeah, be a queen.
• 1:09:32
  So, so we're we're not quite at at the song yet, but we'll we'll
• 1:09:35
  talk about it here anyway, because the song comes up in a
• 1:09:37
  few minutes. But yes, you get a little duet
• 1:09:39
  with yourself with be a Queen. And you're right, just the title
• 1:09:42
  alone is like it out of the gay clubs for sure.
• 1:09:45
  And also like when you sing, you're you're not only are you
• 1:09:49
  alternating between two different voices, but you're
• 1:09:53
  almost singing in two different styles where like the trash heap
• 1:09:57
  gets like the fast, you know, verse stuff here.
• 1:10:00
  And then Ma is seeing these high notes and like you're just
• 1:10:03
  showing off all of your Broadway training here, which?
• 1:10:08
  If people don't know you. Are also a Broadway star.
• 1:10:11
  Like I think that's that's obvious that you see this song.
• 1:10:14
  Yes, yes, a star. Don't argue with me on that one.
• 1:10:22
  No I I have been lucky to have performed on certain shows but
• 1:10:26
  not a star. But thank you though, you're so
• 1:10:30
  welcome. OK, we're going to come back to
• 1:10:33
  the song in a second, but let's let's back up a a hot SEC to to
• 1:10:37
  this conversation that Ma and Marjorie are having.
• 1:10:40
  And Ma is jealous that Marjorie has Philo and guns who show her
• 1:10:45
  so much respect because Ma doesn't get any respect from PA
• 1:10:48
  and Junior, which is sad to see her admit that.
• 1:10:51
  Like on the old show and even in the first season, in the first
• 1:10:55
  half of of this season, back to the Rock, it seemed like she was
• 1:10:58
  oblivious to it. And now she's, like, finally
• 1:11:00
  coming to grips with like, oh, they don't.
• 1:11:01
  They don't even seem to like me very much.
• 1:11:04
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:04
  I mean Junior. Likes her, but that's a
• 1:11:06
  different. That's another toxic
• 1:11:07
  relationship in a very different way that we don't need to dive
• 1:11:10
  into right now, but. That's something for me.
• 1:11:13
  And my therapist to work out right?
• 1:11:21
  Marjorie reminds Ma that she is a queen descended from the great
• 1:11:25
  Gorg Queens of old. And this is one of those moments
• 1:11:29
  where, like we're talking about Gorg history and I want to know
• 1:11:33
  more about this. I really, I would love to really
• 1:11:36
  have the show break into what does like the Gorg Kingdom, the
• 1:11:41
  Gorg universe look like. You know, what are the
• 1:11:44
  responses? The historical responsibilities
• 1:11:46
  of being king of the universe. What did it used to look like?
• 1:11:49
  Because now it's kind of a joke, but I bet it used to be pretty
• 1:11:51
  cool and popular, right? Opulent.
• 1:11:55
  Yeah, Yes, exactly. So yeah, we're getting like a
• 1:11:59
  taste of that here. And maybe, maybe season 3 we'll
• 1:12:02
  get a little bit more of whatever that looks like.
• 1:12:07
  So. Meanwhile.
• 1:12:08
  Wembley and Wrigley, his his doppelganger are bopping through
• 1:12:12
  The Cave. They're they're grunting,
• 1:12:13
  whatever it is that that Wembley's do.
• 1:12:18
  They pass. Some cave paintings and they see
• 1:12:21
  these pictures of ancient fraggles with radishes, and
• 1:12:25
  Wembley learns very quickly that traveling Matt did not discover
• 1:12:29
  the radishes after all. They're obviously much older,
• 1:12:32
  but the story about Matt and the radishes gives Gobo so much
• 1:12:35
  strength that Wembley feels like he needs to hide the truth from
• 1:12:38
  his friend. And Gobo enters the scene and
• 1:12:40
  it's a cute shot of Wembley like splaying himself against the
• 1:12:43
  rock to cover the to like poorly cover by the way the the
• 1:12:47
  artwork. And I have no idea how they hide
• 1:12:51
  the puppeteer here because you could.
• 1:12:54
  It looks like Wembley. He's up on one leg and he's up
• 1:12:56
  against the rock. And I don't know where Jordan
• 1:13:01
  is. And it didn't even occur to me
• 1:13:03
  until like this is my 4th watching of this episode.
• 1:13:05
  Didn't think about it until today, essentially.
• 1:13:10
  Are we? This is just.
• 1:13:11
  Going to be a Fraggle secret, you think?
• 1:13:14
  Maybe. OK, so.
• 1:13:16
  Wembley's alive, is what you're telling me, Yes.
• 1:13:19
  There's no puppeteer. It's just Wembley.
• 1:13:20
  No, no, no, he. Hasn't a great apartment in
• 1:13:23
  Calgary? Great, That's perfect.
• 1:13:31
  That's fine. Let's let's leave that one be a
• 1:13:32
  secret. Some some things we just got to
• 1:13:34
  leave on the behind the scenes. The Lost Fraggles are showing
• 1:13:39
  off their underground farm. They've got mushroom, they got
• 1:13:43
  gush room, they got shush room. They and you put them all
• 1:13:46
  together and you get gootine. That's got to be a reference to
• 1:13:50
  Canada, right, 100? Percent. 100%.
• 1:13:55
  Great. They actually used to get.
• 1:13:59
  Well, they called them disco fries at a diner in Toronto, and
• 1:14:04
  it was like sweet potato fries and regular fries and cheese
• 1:14:09
  curds and gravy. And I think they put back bacon
• 1:14:12
  on it too, but that's what those little bowls looked like.
• 1:14:16
  So that made me chuckle. I'm like, oh, we're doing the
• 1:14:18
  Lakeview all right. For edible boy, it sounds.
• 1:14:25
  Delicious. Well, poutine sounds delicious.
• 1:14:28
  Poutine sounds less delicious. I'm not a big mushroom guy.
• 1:14:32
  But yes, that sounds great. Also, like, they're eating
• 1:14:34
  mushrooms, but they have a friend who's a mushroom with
• 1:14:37
  Manford, Yeah. You don't.
• 1:14:41
  So what was that, Kira? You don't.
• 1:14:43
  Eat all mushrooms. Some are good for eating care.
• 1:14:49
  There's. A concern children.
• 1:14:50
  'S advertisers ad from the 90s in Canada that's about raccoons
• 1:14:55
  eating the raccoon saw a delicious looking this and the
• 1:14:59
  my parents said, oh careful baby, some mushrooms are not for
• 1:15:01
  raccoons. So that's always what's in my
• 1:15:03
  head anyway you eat some and some you just look at because
• 1:15:06
  they will kill you. That'll be the mushroom you eat
• 1:15:08
  one time and then are your friends.
• 1:15:12
  So you know, so are you suggesting?
• 1:15:15
  That Manford is poisonous. He.
• 1:15:19
  Could be. I think it's.
• 1:15:20
  More so that he's sentient. That's an issue towards I I
• 1:15:27
  don't think the gush, the gush rooms and the shush rooms are
• 1:15:29
  sentient necessarily, but Manford definitely we're not
• 1:15:33
  we're not no. So I think Manford.
• 1:15:37
  Might have some toxic traits, codependency.
• 1:15:42
  Yeah, codependency. Don't.
• 1:15:44
  Eat codependent mushrooms, no. Good advice.
• 1:15:48
  Fraggle Rock saving the world back of the trash heap.
• 1:15:55
  Marjorie is convincing Ma to own her queenness.
• 1:15:58
  Ma finds a crown in the trash and puts it on.
• 1:16:02
  First of all, I don't recommend putting garbage on your head,
• 1:16:05
  but whatever. I'm not a gorg.
• 1:16:07
  Second of all, I guess because it it's in her trash that means
• 1:16:12
  it used to be hers or something like that.
• 1:16:17
  It's made of. It was made.
• 1:16:18
  Of like spoons and spoons and forks and things that you would
• 1:16:22
  find in the garbage almost look like something that that maybe
• 1:16:27
  Junior had created and played with is what I believe, you
• 1:16:33
  know, because it was all intact. It wasn't like, you know, she,
• 1:16:36
  she built it in the moment. I was like, oh, I would have
• 1:16:40
  guessed. Like.
• 1:16:40
  Maybe Philo and Gunge made it for Marjorie, but that would
• 1:16:43
  have been way too big for Marjorie.
• 1:16:44
  That would have been like a belt for her.
• 1:16:45
  Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Or a corset.
• 1:16:48
  Right with Marjorie and the boys before there was the spaghetti
• 1:16:54
  sweaters. So.
• 1:16:55
  Oh, that's true, yeah. So it it could just be.
• 1:16:58
  A a craft experience and sometimes when you're trying a
• 1:17:01
  new form, you don't always get the size right.
• 1:17:05
  That's oh. That's a really great
• 1:17:06
  observation. I'll also I'll throw out one
• 1:17:08
  more and it's because Marjorie is all knowing She she knew this
• 1:17:12
  was going to happen. She may have had a crown ready
• 1:17:16
  for when Ma shows up. Yeah, she put the.
• 1:17:18
  She put the the rats to tack and yeah, created this beautiful.
• 1:17:24
  It was actually really pretty. I thought.
• 1:17:25
  I really liked that crown. It was nice.
• 1:17:30
  You need you need a human sized replica.
• 1:17:31
  To take home. Oh my God, wouldn't that be
• 1:17:33
  cool? Yeah.
• 1:17:34
  Well, you got forks. Yeah, you can put something
• 1:17:36
  together. That project.
• 1:17:40
  Just to wear it around town, yeah.
• 1:17:42
  You could be that Lady wearing a fork crown.
• 1:17:45
  Yeah, no one's gonna. Mess with you?
• 1:17:47
  No. One's gonna mess with you here
• 1:17:48
  in San Francisco. Exactly.
• 1:17:51
  Everything goes so. This is where we get that song
• 1:17:57
  Be a Queen. We were just discussing and
• 1:18:00
  during the song, Ma kind of has this fantasy moment where the
• 1:18:05
  Gorg's castle is like all decked out and Junior and Pennsylvania
• 1:18:08
  are like welcoming, welcoming her home.
• 1:18:10
  And they're they're throwing flowers for her And Philo and
• 1:18:14
  Gunj are there and they're wearing these like little royal
• 1:18:16
  outfits. I don't know how to describe
• 1:18:17
  them. They're adorable.
• 1:18:21
  And Ma has a scepter, which I think if, if I saw it right,
• 1:18:25
  it's got like a gilded radish on top.
• 1:18:29
  Back underground. The Fraggles are so grateful
• 1:18:33
  they met the lost Fraggles after that dust storm leader says that
• 1:18:37
  the lost Fraggles ancestors fled from a dust storm as well, which
• 1:18:40
  is how they ended up underground.
• 1:18:43
  And when they fled undergrounds, they also lost their favorite
• 1:18:47
  food, which I know when when I talk about a disaster that leads
• 1:18:49
  to like people who have had to like leave their homes, the
• 1:18:52
  first thing you think is how about that food that we used to
• 1:18:55
  have that was so good. That's, that's really like the
• 1:18:58
  top, the top like two things. We lost our old home.
• 1:19:01
  And there was this one thing that.
• 1:19:04
  We used to eat all the. Time is good, no I.
• 1:19:07
  Come from a family that. Goes on vacation, like we'd go
• 1:19:10
  on vacation when I was little and come back and go, yeah, it
• 1:19:15
  was nice. We had this really tasty dessert
• 1:19:18
  at this place. So I, I do, I can resonate with
• 1:19:22
  the concept of the food as central.
• 1:19:26
  No, that's true. That is true and.
• 1:19:27
  Also, food is very important to the Fraggles.
• 1:19:29
  And I will admit, like, you know, there are certain places
• 1:19:32
  in this world where like, if you're like, oh, I went to
• 1:19:34
  Paris. It's like, yeah, blah, blah,
• 1:19:36
  blah. I saw the Louvre.
• 1:19:37
  But have you ever had a baguette?
• 1:19:39
  Whoa, got. Lasagna in Italy.
• 1:19:46
  It's. A different experience, man.
• 1:19:48
  So it's true. It's true.
• 1:19:49
  Left Italy have vanilla lasagna anymore.
• 1:19:52
  It's just. Not happening.
• 1:19:54
  That's true. And it.
• 1:19:55
  Makes me think that the the the radishes that are grown in the
• 1:19:59
  Gorg's garden. I bet they taste way better than
• 1:20:01
  our radishes. I bet they taste real good.
• 1:20:03
  Oh, for sure. Yeah, right.
• 1:20:06
  Yep. Not spicy, not.
• 1:20:08
  Woody like little spicy, but not Yeah, you think there's do you
• 1:20:13
  think there's? Like a little bit of spice in
• 1:20:14
  them, like, you know that like. That little like like that
• 1:20:19
  tingle that a radish like, you know, when you.
• 1:20:21
  Oh, what you were saying? Yeah, I thought.
• 1:20:23
  I thought you were. Saying like.
• 1:20:24
  They're they? They come with like, I don't
• 1:20:26
  know, they they grill them with paprika already baked into them
• 1:20:29
  or something. Yeah, no, that makes more sense.
• 1:20:31
  Yes, the the radish spice Abiish.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah. But anyway, they obviously.
• 1:20:39
  Loved. Radishes so much that they made
• 1:20:42
  a statue to commemorate the radish.
• 1:20:45
  And as they unveil this this little statue, Wembley throws
• 1:20:47
  himself in front of it, but right behind him is a giant
• 1:20:51
  radish statue. Because as leader says, the
• 1:20:53
  little 1 was just the model that they used to make the big one.
• 1:20:57
  And so now Gobo knows that Uncle Matt's story about discovering
• 1:21:02
  radishes, it was all bull. As if we could have trusted
• 1:21:05
  travelling Matt anyway. But maybe Gobo doesn't know
• 1:21:08
  that. And he's not mad.
• 1:21:11
  He's just disappointed. You know, he just wanted to know
• 1:21:13
  the whole story and the lost fraggles like kind of this is
• 1:21:18
  also one of my favorite things in the in this episode because
• 1:21:20
  this prop is so cool. The lost Fraggles tell the story
• 1:21:24
  of how the, you know, Gorgs use this chemical and destroy the
• 1:21:27
  radishes, create the dust storm. They all to flee underground and
• 1:21:30
  they're doing it like with this hand cranked, hand drawn
• 1:21:34
  tableau. It's like on on like a big piece
• 1:21:36
  of fabric. I don't really know how to
• 1:21:37
  describe it, but hopefully you've seen the episode.
• 1:21:39
  You know what it looks like and what a great prop that is like
• 1:21:43
  that's it's a really cool looking thing.
• 1:21:46
  I love the art. Style too this like lost fraggle
• 1:21:49
  art with these kind of little stick figure fraggles.
• 1:21:52
  It's very good. Dan's puppet arm popped off at
• 1:21:55
  one point when we were it was cranking the the.
• 1:21:58
  Thing. That's the one cranking going.
• 1:22:01
  And I'm doing the speech as leader and all of a sudden I
• 1:22:03
  hear Dan go and I just. Thought he was.
• 1:22:06
  Just. You know.
• 1:22:08
  Enjoying his character to the fullest and thought it would be
• 1:22:11
  cool to scream in the middle of my monologue.
• 1:22:13
  So I was kind of like, oddly. Offended for a second.
• 1:22:16
  And then like, yeah, what a character choice you made there.
• 1:22:19
  Dan. It's like no my.
• 1:22:24
  It's not. Well, it's not.
• 1:22:25
  Anyway. Maybe lost.
• 1:22:27
  Fraggles. They have detachable limbs.
• 1:22:29
  Maybe that's just one of the many ways that make them
• 1:22:32
  different from regular fraggles and they grow them back.
• 1:22:36
  Instantly like a lizard. Yes, Right.
• 1:22:38
  Yes. So they tell the story, and
• 1:22:43
  apparently before they fled underground, they planted some
• 1:22:46
  radish seeds with some compost as an act of hope.
• 1:22:50
  So. As we've.
• 1:22:52
  Learned here like something happens in between when they
• 1:22:55
  planted those seeds and when the gorg started harvesting them.
• 1:22:58
  But they are the they're responsible for there still
• 1:23:01
  being radishes up above ground and traveling that may not have
• 1:23:05
  discovered the radishes first, but he did discover these new
• 1:23:09
  radishes that came from those seeds, or at least as far as the
• 1:23:12
  fraggles are are concerned. I guess the Gorgs technically
• 1:23:16
  would have discovered them beforehands.
• 1:23:17
  But the word word nitpicking, the word discover is, is a
• 1:23:22
  little, we're a little loose with the definition there.
• 1:23:27
  Yeah, I, I like. To tell people this for that is
• 1:23:31
  the episode about capitalism and this is the episode about
• 1:23:35
  colonialism. It's it's broad strokes.
• 1:23:39
  But it's like, yeah, if Uncle Matt had asked Junior, hey, what
• 1:23:43
  are these, it would have been a different conversation.
• 1:23:46
  But of course, that's not what Uncle Matt would do.
• 1:23:48
  So it all, it all filters in there and you know, I think
• 1:23:53
  actually. You're making a good point here
• 1:23:54
  because that's what he does in all of his postcards.
• 1:23:57
  And he doesn't ask what things are.
• 1:24:00
  He just makes assumptions. And then he writes back and he's
• 1:24:02
  like, look, I made this discovery of this thing that
• 1:24:04
  already exists. And I'm going to tell you
• 1:24:06
  incorrect information about what that is.
• 1:24:09
  And, you know, it's, it reminds me of, as you said, it's, it's
• 1:24:13
  colonialism. It's it's, you know, Christopher
• 1:24:16
  Columbus, you know, showing up on our shores and saying, well,
• 1:24:20
  this must be India. And no one's correcting him
• 1:24:24
  because he's the captain. And now you know, you know, you
• 1:24:29
  know the history. It's exhausting.
• 1:24:31
  The rest is literally. History.
• 1:24:34
  Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
• 1:24:37
  But we don't need to get into all of that.
• 1:24:39
  That's not another podcast. We don't have the time to really
• 1:24:43
  break that that thing open. But but the important thing here
• 1:24:47
  is that the Fraggles now know that compost can help to heal
• 1:24:50
  the scorched land up above. That's a pretty important thing
• 1:24:54
  that they've learned here from the the lost Fraggles.
• 1:24:56
  And this is where we get a our third song of the episode, which
• 1:25:00
  is exciting that we got 3 songs in this episode.
• 1:25:03
  It is is it true, which comes from the original series episode
• 1:25:07
  The Wizard of Fraggle Rock. And what a gift we get to hear
• 1:25:10
  Catherine O'Hara sing. I love that.
• 1:25:12
  I love that for us. Now, Kira, you were.
• 1:25:17
  You were saying earlier that you had the scratch track, that you
• 1:25:22
  could record the lines, and then Catherine O'Hara came in and did
• 1:25:25
  some ADR for the character afterward.
• 1:25:28
  At what point is the song recorded?
• 1:25:30
  So did you have her voice in your ear for the song?
• 1:25:33
  Yeah, including the the. Yelling.
• 1:25:36
  Is it true? Yeah, No that.
• 1:25:41
  Fortunately, that was just a lip sync situation, so yeah.
• 1:25:46
  That's awesome though, because you got to have.
• 1:25:47
  Catherine O'Hara in your ear. And like, what a gift that is
• 1:25:51
  for any of us. Yeah.
• 1:25:53
  Truly, truly and. I mean, there's nothing
• 1:25:59
  incredibly special about what we're seeing on screen for the
• 1:26:01
  song. But like I did, there's some fun
• 1:26:03
  choreography. There's like an interesting
• 1:26:05
  light shining down from The Cave ceiling, the kind of like
• 1:26:08
  emulating spotlights on everybody.
• 1:26:11
  And I appreciate that because like it's a good reminder that
• 1:26:15
  we are further undergrounds than we're used to.
• 1:26:18
  The light is coming from above. It's not just kind of a general
• 1:26:22
  light situation that we're, you know, I guess from the ditzies.
• 1:26:26
  We're not we haven't really gotten into ditzies and back to
• 1:26:28
  the rock. But yeah, like it's because, you
• 1:26:32
  know, the below lost and found caves, they they look really
• 1:26:38
  similar to regular Fraggle rock case.
• 1:26:40
  So that's one way that I guess you guys can kind of
• 1:26:42
  differentiate was with the lighting.
• 1:26:45
  Actually, that's a good question too.
• 1:26:47
  Was there anything that makes this difference, just visually
• 1:26:50
  speaking, besides the statues, the artwork that we saw and this
• 1:26:56
  light situation, like is there anything else about it that
• 1:26:58
  makes it different from the regular Fraggle Rock that we
• 1:27:01
  see? I think the light like you.
• 1:27:03
  Said is a big thing. I feel like the light is a lot
• 1:27:05
  more like you see it kind of more pointed in certain places.
• 1:27:09
  I don't know if. This is true if I'm.
• 1:27:10
  Just imagining it, everything feels more kind of like light
• 1:27:15
  brown and dusty, except. For.
• 1:27:18
  The mushroom garden, which is, you know, necessarily darker,
• 1:27:26
  more moist. It's like all the moisture from
• 1:27:29
  everywhere else went into growing these mushrooms.
• 1:27:31
  So that's, but I think about lost fragile rock It, it has
• 1:27:35
  more of that like kind of what you would imagine, I guess if
• 1:27:39
  you were looking at, you know, ancient Egyptian ruins or
• 1:27:43
  something. It's all tan also sort of sandy
• 1:27:46
  desert colors. And yeah.
• 1:27:49
  Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
• 1:27:52
  And I feel like that would be the easiest way to kind of just
• 1:27:54
  tell the difference is just change the color palette a
• 1:27:56
  little bit and there you go. And then one other thing about
• 1:28:00
  the these lost Fraggles, we've when, when the regular Fraggles,
• 1:28:06
  God, I don't know what to call them our Fraggles.
• 1:28:09
  Like when they've, when they've found other Fraggle communities,
• 1:28:13
  you know, it's like we've seen, you know, the murgles and the
• 1:28:16
  crackles and then, you know, we've met Price who comes from
• 1:28:22
  another community, that sort of thing.
• 1:28:24
  But this feels like it's the first one that's really like an
• 1:28:27
  actual offshoot of the regular Fraggle Rock.
• 1:28:30
  So are we assuming that there's even more of these like that,
• 1:28:33
  that like that there's all these other fragile communities that
• 1:28:37
  are just. If you just dig in the right
• 1:28:39
  place, if you just go through the right cave, then there could
• 1:28:43
  be any sorts of fragile communities that are just
• 1:28:46
  slightly different from the one that we're used to.
• 1:28:49
  Yeah. They're all like little Hamlets,
• 1:28:50
  right? Yeah, with just.
• 1:28:53
  Other types of. You know, yeah, exactly little.
• 1:28:57
  Communities that, that have their own rules and hierarchy
• 1:29:01
  and who knows? I mean, that's yeah, I, I the
• 1:29:07
  world is less. Globally connected than like
• 1:29:13
  silly. Creature World.
• 1:29:14
  Is I think right where? We've all.
• 1:29:18
  Found each other mostly at this point, although I do still
• 1:29:21
  wonder whether there are still groups out there, you know,
• 1:29:24
  that's like, that have no human contact or no, like contact with
• 1:29:27
  the outside world, I should say, because they're still humans,
• 1:29:30
  but not, I don't know the proper term.
• 1:29:35
  Yeah, there. Are I'd like to ask.
• 1:29:39
  But they're still. Undiscovered is a thing.
• 1:29:41
  I wonder sometimes is like, are there still groups out there
• 1:29:44
  that just. Haven't been found.
• 1:29:46
  Because they're living in a particularly isolated or hidden
• 1:29:51
  way. And is that even possible in
• 1:29:54
  this day and age? So why?
• 1:29:57
  Not have that be. Possible in the fragile world
• 1:30:00
  there's a underground covers a lot of space so that's true and
• 1:30:05
  also like. Fraggle Rock is magic.
• 1:30:07
  So, you know, there's, I mean, it's an infinite amount of space
• 1:30:10
  as far as we're concerned, it's, it's not.
• 1:30:14
  Just. What's directly below Fraggle
• 1:30:16
  Rock? You know, it's it's also a
• 1:30:19
  portal that leads to wherever or there's something that used to
• 1:30:23
  be here and now it's something else.
• 1:30:25
  And you know, it could be anything.
• 1:30:27
  But I love this idea. And, you know, I think it the
• 1:30:31
  old Fraggle Rock leaned so much on the inner connectivity
• 1:30:34
  between Fraggles, slick creatures, Gorgs, Doozers,
• 1:30:38
  period. And although there we did see
• 1:30:41
  other fragile types that that that was the main theme there.
• 1:30:44
  And I feel like back to the rock is really starting to plant
• 1:30:46
  those seeds of there's all kinds of Fraggles.
• 1:30:50
  And you know, like you said, it's not a global, you know,
• 1:30:53
  it's not like we have we have a government that's above all of
• 1:30:56
  them that's overseeing all these from Fraggles and it's tracking
• 1:30:59
  them. Yeah, there's no Fraggle UN
• 1:31:01
  right, But I don't know, like I would love to learn more about
• 1:31:06
  that and so meet more of these fragile communities and, you
• 1:31:09
  know, see how they differ and how they complement each other.
• 1:31:12
  I think that's fun. Yeah.
• 1:31:14
  And also within each. Community that there are also
• 1:31:16
  probably different creatures right, like all the little like
• 1:31:19
  the talking flowers, all the underwater creatures all the
• 1:31:22
  like you know plants that have you know sentient plant being
• 1:31:26
  yeah manfered yeah, they probably all have what I've
• 1:31:31
  always wondered it is the Fraggle society with a Fraggle
• 1:31:36
  5. Is that the only one with
• 1:31:37
  outside communication to silly creatures?
• 1:31:40
  Or do all the other ones also have their own version of
• 1:31:44
  travelling mat where they get info or info or like do they
• 1:31:49
  have? Access to a Fraggle hole that
• 1:31:51
  has their own dock or someone who's on the other side?
• 1:31:54
  Yeah. But what or?
• 1:31:57
  Or somebody that's not like a dock at all, you know what I
• 1:32:00
  mean? Where it's just like literally a
• 1:32:01
  hole into a garbage pit or, you know, or somebody's, I don't
• 1:32:07
  know, like an insane asylum. I don't know.
• 1:32:09
  We're going there. We're going ah yes, Season 3.
• 1:32:12
  Fraggle's an insane asylum. What we do know?
• 1:32:17
  Actually, I mean, if if we're following the rules of the
• 1:32:19
  original Fraggle Rock, there was a of course I'm not, I can't
• 1:32:22
  remember all the details of the top of my head.
• 1:32:24
  But like there's an episode where they find another cave
• 1:32:27
  that has portals that can go, you know, to a dozen different
• 1:32:29
  places all around the world. And, you know, kind of cementing
• 1:32:33
  this idea that Fraggle Rock is not in a specific place in our
• 1:32:37
  world. It the magic kind of makes it
• 1:32:40
  exists in many different places. So yeah.
• 1:32:43
  So that's actually pretty likely that they could have a Fraggle
• 1:32:46
  hole that could lead to anywhere.
• 1:32:49
  I don't know. OK.
• 1:32:51
  Well, we're going to have some conversations with the writers
• 1:32:53
  about what? What's next?
• 1:32:57
  All right, well, we'll. Let our imaginations run.
• 1:32:59
  Well, with that one. And so now that the Fraggles
• 1:33:02
  have an inkling of a strategy with all this stuff with the the
• 1:33:06
  compost and and oh, there's also this whole thing with Cotter pin
• 1:33:10
  where she says, you know, oh, we could also use technology.
• 1:33:13
  And she goes into a bunch of techno Babble, but I don't
• 1:33:15
  understand. And so after she says that, the
• 1:33:18
  lost freckles go, oh, you are a Doozer.
• 1:33:21
  So all right, You didn't have to listen to her when she said it,
• 1:33:24
  but now that she's proven it, she's gone, you know, like, bent
• 1:33:28
  over backwards to explain to you about science.
• 1:33:32
  Now you believe her. OK.
• 1:33:35
  Yeah. Trust Doozers, is what I'm
• 1:33:37
  saying. Listen to Doozers.
• 1:33:42
  So. The.
• 1:33:43
  Lost freckles. They don't really seem
• 1:33:47
  interested in exploring the world above now that they even
• 1:33:50
  now they know that it's safe. They just seem like they're
• 1:33:53
  going to be fine hanging out underground, which is a choice.
• 1:33:57
  Now, I'm not saying it's, it's right or wrong, but it's a
• 1:33:59
  choice. And Moki has to drag Lanford
• 1:34:03
  away from Manford because they love each other.
• 1:34:07
  And she says it's probably good that she doesn't have a twin
• 1:34:09
  because now she doesn't have to, you know, be sad saying goodbye
• 1:34:12
  to them. And just as they leave her
• 1:34:15
  doppelganger, slow pokey shows up fashionably late.
• 1:34:19
  And Amy, that's you, right? You're playing slow pokey.
• 1:34:22
  Yeah. I genuinely thought until today
• 1:34:26
  when I saw it listed on the Muppet wiki that it was Donna
• 1:34:29
  because the voice match is so good.
• 1:34:31
  I really thought, Oh my God, thank you.
• 1:34:33
  That was another one that I was just like, no, it does not
• 1:34:36
  sound, could never sound like Donna, but thank you.
• 1:34:44
  Yeah, her moki is just. Perfection.
• 1:34:47
  Yes, Yes. And, and the fact that she's
• 1:34:50
  slow, pokey and being late because of like, you know, she
• 1:34:54
  was meditating makes sense because you can't make her two
• 1:34:57
  different. It's like, oh, it's just like
• 1:34:59
  Moki, except she's always late. It's like, no, no.
• 1:35:01
  She's also space AG and meditatee.
• 1:35:04
  And, you know, she has reasons for being late.
• 1:35:07
  Yeah. And then finally back at the
• 1:35:11
  Gorg's garden, Junior and Pennsylvania are wailing about
• 1:35:15
  not having the garden and not having Ma rounds.
• 1:35:17
  And Pennsylvania is all out of kingly ideas.
• 1:35:20
  And then from off screen, Ma says, then I'll lead you.
• 1:35:26
  And she walks in, puts down a pizza box, phyllo and guns pop
• 1:35:31
  out of it. And there's still a slice of
• 1:35:33
  pizza on there, which I appreciate.
• 1:35:36
  And they give her a queenly introduction.
• 1:35:38
  She's taking over, taking over the whole thing.
• 1:35:41
  I love this. I love everything about this.
• 1:35:43
  I love the way that Ma has grown and she's taking control.
• 1:35:47
  She's really going to cut PA down a peg, which he desperately
• 1:35:51
  needs. And you know, they got a problem
• 1:35:54
  they got to solve. And like, he wasn't, he wasn't
• 1:35:56
  up to the task. So this is great.
• 1:36:00
  I love everything about this that that's where episode ends.
• 1:36:04
  This episode was a blast. Do do either of you have any
• 1:36:08
  final thoughts about this or anything that we didn't cover
• 1:36:11
  that you wanted to talk about or, or if something comes to you
• 1:36:13
  about another episode that feels like it's important to say, feel
• 1:36:18
  free to chime in. No, I just love these deep.
• 1:36:21
  Dives, these are, I mean, Kira, I, I I, I don't know about you,
• 1:36:27
  but like just reliving, reliving.
• 1:36:30
  These episodes. Is, oh gosh, it doesn't feel so
• 1:36:34
  good. And it's so, and it's so nice to
• 1:36:36
  see the, the final product too, because like while you're on the
• 1:36:39
  floor sometimes you're like, oh man, I hope this this works.
• 1:36:42
  You know, the way that it's been envisioned.
• 1:36:46
  And then when you finally see it, it's yeah, I'm just, I'm so
• 1:36:50
  proud of everybody. Like it's just, it's, it's been
• 1:36:53
  a really very fulfilling. Ride.
• 1:36:58
  Yeah, it was. It was a long journey from
• 1:37:01
  wrapping, you know, season 2 to the actual release of season 2
• 1:37:07
  because of the because of the strikes, which of course love a
• 1:37:10
  union go team. But yeah, seeing how everything
• 1:37:17
  came together and getting this opportunity to chat with someone
• 1:37:21
  who someone's who really know their stuff and are just as
• 1:37:24
  enthusiastic about the cool puppet bits and deep metaphors
• 1:37:30
  and deep thinking, just getting to talk all that has been nice.
• 1:37:34
  I remembered I I just remembered that while we were.
• 1:37:38
  Shooting this episode. Was when I got shingles.
• 1:37:42
  Oh no. I so.
• 1:37:47
  I, I, I'm going to choose to say that I was so determined and so
• 1:37:54
  really wanting to do right by Canadian icon Catherine O'Hara
• 1:37:58
  that I gave myself shingles. So, Catherine, I got shingles
• 1:38:04
  for you. Yeah, say.
• 1:38:11
  That and and also if you ever. See me because I didn't
• 1:38:13
  actually, you know, we don't get to meet the voice stars
• 1:38:16
  necessarily. But Catherine, if you ever find
• 1:38:19
  yourself in Toronto and want to say hi, just look me up.
• 1:38:21
  We can hang out. Yeah, She's a, she's a
• 1:38:24
  dedicated. Listener to this podcast,
• 1:38:26
  Catherine O'Hara, so I'm sure sure she'll get your message.
• 1:38:30
  Closeted Fraggle. Fanatic Catherine O'Hara, you
• 1:38:34
  never know. Do you never.
• 1:38:35
  Know. Look, Catherine O'Hara, you're
• 1:38:37
  great. Thanks for listening.
• 1:38:39
  Thanks for Thanks for. Being a part of the game, yeah.
• 1:38:42
  I'm the biggest. I'm I'm such a huge puppet fan.
• 1:38:45
  You have no idea. I love The Muppets of Fraggles.
• 1:38:48
  Oh my gosh. Like they're like they're
• 1:38:49
  ashamed of themselves. So it's it's possible.
• 1:38:53
  I'll hold out hope. You never know.
• 1:38:55
  I mean, look. I will say it like you guys had
• 1:38:57
  Brett Goldstein on the show, who I think he only got this role
• 1:39:01
  because he would not shut up in interviews, but how much he
• 1:39:04
  loves The Muppets. And like within the year he was,
• 1:39:08
  he made it on to Fraggle Rock, he made it on to Sesame Street,
• 1:39:10
  He did some live stuff with The Muppets.
• 1:39:13
  It's like everyone heard him. So like, I think the moral here
• 1:39:16
  is if you're listening to this podcast and if you're a huge
• 1:39:19
  Muppet fan, but you're also a celebrity, just just start
• 1:39:23
  talking about it. Just start saying out loud, you
• 1:39:26
  know who's another one? We did an interview with Yvette
• 1:39:29
  Nicole Brown from community and, and who is fantastic and she's a
• 1:39:35
  huge Muppet fan. And, you know, we made sure that
• 1:39:39
  she got in contact with the people who she need to get in
• 1:39:41
  contact with. And like she'd already done
• 1:39:44
  Muppets Haunted Mansion, but like, she's going to be on
• 1:39:47
  Sesame Street or if, if not already and like, just, you
• 1:39:51
  know, just start saying it out loud.
• 1:39:53
  And, you know, I, I, I think all three Muppets, Fraggles and
• 1:39:57
  Sesame, like they want to work with celebrities.
• 1:40:00
  Oh, I like that just. Got to just got to make sure the
• 1:40:02
  right. Person hears you.
• 1:40:05
  Amy, you're the queen of. Manifestation When I think of
• 1:40:09
  manifesting things and making them happen and have knowing 800
• 1:40:13
  ways to do that, I always think of you.
• 1:40:16
  So yes, send what? What would be your #1 tip to a
• 1:40:20
  celebrity looking to manifest their like?
• 1:40:24
  You know. Utilize the socials but also
• 1:40:27
  manifest it into your water before you drink it.
• 1:40:29
  I want to work with Muppets. And then drink your water.
• 1:40:33
  That's the manifestation right there.
• 1:40:34
  And maybe not a candle. Do you just talk to your water?
• 1:40:37
  Is that it? Yeah, you have to.
• 1:40:39
  That's the whole thing. What's the secret?
• 1:40:42
  No, it is. It is a thing.
• 1:40:43
  Apparently it is a thing if you like, as you know, water holds
• 1:40:46
  energy and if you like, like, like speak.
• 1:40:48
  Positive and do it try. It try it try it.
• 1:40:51
  Full moon thing too. You do like Oh my goodness.
• 1:40:54
  OK, I'm. Gonna I'm gonna try.
• 1:40:56
  I gotta think of something good to manifest in the full moon in
• 1:40:59
  some my water. Drink your water just like.
• 1:41:01
  I was like Singer I. Would like to.
• 1:41:03
  Own a mansion one day and then like or whatever, you know, I
• 1:41:07
  would like to meet Bret Goldstein.
• 1:41:10
  I would like. To meet is would it work?
• 1:41:13
  In chocolate milk. Yeah, it.
• 1:41:17
  Has to be water. I don't think chocolate milk
• 1:41:18
  holds the same amount. OK, but that doesn't mean I'm.
• 1:41:23
  Going to stop talking to my chocolate milk.
• 1:41:25
  OK, you can talk to your chocolate milk.
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  Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah.
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  Thank you. So here, Amy, I have a question
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  that we like to ask everybody at the end of our podcast.
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  For each of you, how do you plan to make the world a little
• 1:41:41
  fragglier? I'm.
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  Traveling a lot right now, so. I do feel like traveling, Matt,
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  in a lot of ways and a lot of my career outside of puppetry has
• 1:41:54
  been about me traveling different places.
• 1:41:56
  So I've seen specifically the United States change a lot
• 1:42:02
  throughout the years and and watched a lot of communities
• 1:42:08
  struggle. And one thing that I'm really,
• 1:42:12
  really aware of right now is the unhoused, you know, the people
• 1:42:20
  who are just who don't have homes.
• 1:42:22
  And it's pretty much. In every major.
• 1:42:25
  City here in the States and if I am trying to be more mindful of
• 1:42:40
  being as human as possible and and help any way that I can when
• 1:42:44
  I get to these cities, whether that's literally just bringing
• 1:42:50
  an extra sandwich or like not throwing my clothing it it you
• 1:42:56
  know away, but folding it up or like or even having a
• 1:43:00
  conversation and finding out what people need that's.
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  I mean, I'm just one person and I.
• 1:43:10
  Know that there are are are systems built in order to to
• 1:43:13
  help a lot of people in a lot of these communities.
• 1:43:15
  But yeah, I, I feel like that's the biggest pain point in the US
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  currently. I mean, there are more
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  obviously, but this is the one that, that I, that I have, I
• 1:43:29
  have noticed quite a bit lately. So I, I personally need to get a
• 1:43:36
  lot more involved than I already am.
• 1:43:39
  That's how I would like to make the world more fragilely so.
• 1:43:42
  And it's, I think it also falls into the whole storyline too,
• 1:43:48
  about reusing and recycling and being aware of our environment
• 1:43:53
  and our communities and, and how and the butterfly.
• 1:43:57
  Effect of like. You know this, this act of
• 1:44:01
  kindness can also perpetuate another act of kindness.
• 1:44:05
  And it just it it, it will heal. I think a lot of.
• 1:44:12
  Issues just to help people get back on their feet.
• 1:44:16
  Yeah, that. Maybe that.
• 1:44:18
  Yeah, absolutely. No, it's.
• 1:44:20
  Important work and and like you said, you may you may feel like
• 1:44:23
  you're one person, but that's what it takes.
• 1:44:25
  You know, that's like it takes a lot of one, just one persons to
• 1:44:29
  make a difference and that's how it.
• 1:44:30
  Starts. You have to be that person,
• 1:44:33
  yeah. And it's.
• 1:44:35
  Your your. Building community that's.
• 1:44:38
  The. Folks who you know you might see
• 1:44:41
  asking for change near the grocery store.
• 1:44:44
  If you're you're seeing the same people all the time, that's
• 1:44:48
  they're your neighbor. They're true community.
• 1:44:51
  So they deserve. You know, to be treated with
• 1:44:55
  kindness and respect, same as everyone.
• 1:44:56
  So I love that you I. Love that you highlighted that.
• 1:45:02
  Here, how about you? How do you plan to?
• 1:45:03
  Make the world a little fragglier well.
• 1:45:08
  A thing I've been. Thinking about a lot recently is
• 1:45:15
  the. Relationship that.
• 1:45:16
  We have with the planet and with our natural environment.
• 1:45:21
  I really like gardening. I really like, you know, going
• 1:45:24
  out and learning more about the native plants in my area.
• 1:45:27
  I was just back home in my hometown of Yellowknife up north
• 1:45:31
  and revisiting the differences between like the, the native
• 1:45:35
  flora there and down here in Toronto where I currently live.
• 1:45:42
  And I read an incredible book called Braiding Sweetgrass by
• 1:45:49
  Robin Wall Camerer, who is a botanist and also a a member of
• 1:45:56
  the, I believe it's the Potawatomi Nation Indigenous
• 1:46:02
  group in the states. And it's about the intersection
• 1:46:06
  of botany with Indigenous wisdom and ways of knowing and the
• 1:46:12
  concept of the relationship with the land and I.
• 1:46:17
  Sort of got into this. Stuff I had the idea of like
• 1:46:19
  foraging, which feels very fragile, like, oh, what's here?
• 1:46:22
  We're going to, you know, figure out a way to take just what we
• 1:46:25
  need from nature. And then I attended a talk about
• 1:46:29
  foraging and someone pointed out that that's still a very like
• 1:46:32
  take mindset. And there's like, what?
• 1:46:35
  Grate you forage? You take from the land now?
• 1:46:37
  What are you giving back? And I was like, oh, yeah.
• 1:46:39
  And then I read Braiding Sweetgrass, and that's, I think
• 1:46:44
  a lot of how we think about the natural world as humans in our
• 1:46:49
  current society is very disconnected.
• 1:46:51
  It's like, here's us and we're in our city and we're in our
• 1:46:53
  house or whatever. And then here's nature over
• 1:46:56
  there. And sometimes we do stuff.
• 1:46:57
  And often the attitude is maybe all the humans should just
• 1:47:02
  disappear and then nature would be better off without us.
• 1:47:05
  But what Kimur presented in her book is more of a reciprocal
• 1:47:10
  relationship, right? You're living.
• 1:47:12
  Humans are part of the ecosystem.
• 1:47:16
  We are part. Of the landscape we've had a
• 1:47:17
  massive effect on it right and we're living in the oh gosh,
• 1:47:22
  what's the word the Anthropocene where it's it's basically a
• 1:47:27
  period of time where human development and building and the
• 1:47:31
  effect on the environment is creating massive changes in the
• 1:47:37
  global ecosystem and. Recognizing.
• 1:47:42
  That we're not a thing that has been plopped down into nature,
• 1:47:46
  but a thing that exists within nature.
• 1:47:48
  And how do we create more? Stewardship.
• 1:47:54
  Of the land around us what are we doing to give back to the
• 1:47:57
  planet what gifts does the planet give us what gifts can we
• 1:48:00
  give the planet back and I think just.
• 1:48:04
  Because the. The ecological messages in
• 1:48:06
  Fraggle Rock are so strong and the connections to the rocks and
• 1:48:12
  the water and the plants are all so rich in that world.
• 1:48:17
  That's that's my very woo sort of thing that I've been
• 1:48:23
  thinking. About and feeling.
• 1:48:24
  A lot lately, as I, you know, go out in the world and know what
• 1:48:28
  plants are coming up through the sidewalk and which ones are
• 1:48:31
  meant to be here and which ones have come from other places and
• 1:48:34
  are creating problems. Which ones are going to you know
• 1:48:38
  if you have a little cut will slow the bleeding faster just.
• 1:48:44
  Or even just learning the trees. In your front yard, I somebody
• 1:48:47
  said. I didn't get interested in this
• 1:48:49
  until I looked out my window and thought I don't know what any of
• 1:48:52
  the trees in my front yard are so even.
• 1:48:55
  Just that little bit of. Knowledge gets you so much more
• 1:48:57
  connected with the the ecosystem that you live in and starts to
• 1:49:03
  build a relationship between you and the planet rather than this
• 1:49:07
  siloed existence that we have. So I just ranted and rambled on
• 1:49:11
  that for a real long time. I'm so I loved it.
• 1:49:15
  I, I loved it here and and also it's like as, as you were
• 1:49:18
  speaking on it, it's sort of like, wow, all that information
• 1:49:22
  has has felt so gate kept to me because like my, my only
• 1:49:28
  interaction with with like produce, right, or, or, or
• 1:49:33
  things that grow or things that I can find in a supermarket.
• 1:49:36
  I don't know how to like. I mean, I'm sure I can figure
• 1:49:38
  out how to plant a tomato by looking it up online, but the
• 1:49:40
  fact that we don't eat each. Sort of.
• 1:49:44
  Know and respect like the time it takes for that seed to turn
• 1:49:49
  into a plant to then like turn into fruit that you can eat and
• 1:49:53
  then you know get recycled and continue that process.
• 1:49:57
  We don't we then tend to not care for the planet in general
• 1:50:03
  because we take zero responsibility in it.
• 1:50:06
  So Oh my God, I agreed with you 100%.
• 1:50:10
  And yeah, I I would love to to learn more about that as well
• 1:50:17
  and literally dig my hands in the dirt and and figure it all
• 1:50:20
  out. Nearly put your hands in some.
• 1:50:23
  Dirt in dirt. Touch a.
• 1:50:26
  Plant not the ones that are going to irritate your skin, but
• 1:50:29
  touch a plant. Learn which ones are irritating
• 1:50:30
  your skin. And yeah.
• 1:50:33
  Do. Do read.
• 1:50:33
  That. Book anyone who's interested.
• 1:50:35
  Robin Wall camera braiding Sweetgrass.
• 1:50:37
  I listen to the audio book which is like it's like a 14 hour
• 1:50:41
  audio book, but it's read by the author and she has just the
• 1:50:45
  nicest voice and I listen to it while I was gardening and it was
• 1:50:48
  just the most like soul healing thing.
• 1:50:52
  So I love it. And I think it's also really
• 1:50:56
  important. To know which plants are
• 1:50:57
  sentient and might you know, be your be a be a Manford or a
• 1:51:02
  Lanford exactly critical. Part of the knowledge.
• 1:51:06
  Easily maybe? Maybe the most important.
• 1:51:12
  Keira Hall. Amy Garcia, thank you both so
• 1:51:15
  much for being here. Thank you so much for talking
• 1:51:18
  about this episode with us and just for being such an important
• 1:51:22
  part of Fraggle Rock. It really is a better place
• 1:51:26
  because each of you are in it. That's so sweet.
• 1:51:29
  So thank you for all you've. Done and and again, thank you
• 1:51:32
  for being here on this podcast. It was a joy to get to talk to
• 1:51:34
  you both. Ditto, friend.
• 1:51:36
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