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Episode 23: 2000's Music: Mixtapes, Nu Metal and Frosted Tips · Bearded And Crunchy

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hey Bob, I've got a question for you.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: What was the most 2000s thing about the 2000s?
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: You mean besides the fact that every guy had uh frosted tips?
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: Fair point.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Or everyone was walking around with a flip phone like they were James Bond.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: Or downloading one song on LimeWire and praying you didn't download a virus.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Ah yes.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing says I love music, like risking the destruction of your family computer for a three-minute MP3.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Those were the times.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: The 2000s were a strange time.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: We had boy bands, new metal, pop punk, emo, hip-hop, garage rock, country crossovers, and enough reality TV stars getting record deals to make you question the entire music industry.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: And somehow, every song came with a music video where everybody was either dancing in a club, standing in the rain, or staring dramatically out of a window.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, here's the thing though.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: The 2000s weren't just another decade of music.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: They were the decade when the way we listened to music completely changed.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: CDs gave way to downloads, downloads gave way to iPods, MySpace helped bands find audiences, and suddenly your entire music collection was in your pocket.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_02: Assuming your iPod hadn't already died.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: So grab your old iPod, dust off that flip phone, and try to remember your MySpace password.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're going back to the 2000s, where the music is loud.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: The memories are questionable.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: And we're probably gonna say, man, I forgot about that song.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go back to the two thousands.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: Without the frosted tips.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: The two thousands.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: What a time.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: We were we were we were basically adults now.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy to think that.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like now we're getting into unfortunately.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: This is a decade where that we've talked about on multiple episodes, that emusion, the emotion, emotional attachment started to kind of leave.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it was more so like, oh, that's got a groovy tune to it, or you know, typically you associate time frames or relationships or friendships to music.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: And as you get older, your brain starts focusing on other things.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: And so the 2000s was weird for us.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of some of our listeners, you know, that's gonna be their golden era, that's gonna be their memories.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_02: And for us, that's when we were just kind of like, oh, that's a good song.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, it it was it was a weird transition for us as well as the music.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: I would agree with you, and it was there was a lot of music in the 2000s, early 2000s, through that decade as well as the 90s to process and and get through.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, you're it was in abundance.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's like going from you know uh a deli to get your sandwich and then going to a buffet.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: Holy shit, I don't know what to get.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's a mishmash of everything.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: Everything.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh a lot to get to, man.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh this was there was a lot in this decade.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna you're gonna let us know.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_02: So why don't you uh why don't you uh you need that question?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm trying to think because you you you alluded to it being being a good one.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: So we we we need to get we need to get to this.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I have a little bit of a setup to it.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: This is kind of off the top of the dome from what I was thinking about about it.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: But you you really think back through the decades now, we've done 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: And what was a big driving force in those decades was rock music, right?
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: And in 2000, things really started to shift and change where hip hop really became the the dominant force in music.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: So my question to you is, and I didn't give you anything, nothing, not a fucking thing.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea where this is going.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: So did hip hop become the new rock and roll in the 2000s?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Or just another driving force in music?
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: You continually outdo yourself with these questions, bro.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I think that's a fair assessment.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um at this point, and maybe this is cause I got older too, but it started to feel a little watered down.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um there was an abundance of it.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh anybody and their fucking mama could put out a rap album.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you started seeing a lot more subgenres.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: We'll we'll we'll get into it a little bit.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because some things were obviously good about it.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_02: But um Yeah, I mean, damn, that's a good question.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, yeah.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I I and again we'll talk about it, but because of the question, I the nineties was the golden era, but that was for the US.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the 2000s is when hip hop really went global.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: It started to happen towards the end of the 90s, but it fucking exploded in the 2000s.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so many different things changed.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: You had different regions now that were more prevalent.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, uh, it it just it it it the 2000s, I think, were when everybody said, Oh, I mean, we lived in the 90s, so we know what it meant for our generation.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: But I think the 2000s put the stamp like, okay, we're here to stamp.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think so.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's where I have to agree with that.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, with the question about it becoming the new rock and roll, because it literally, again, with the setup, you know, rock music was the center of basically everything.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was in, you know, pop music, it was in Motown, it was in, you know, funk.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was in everything.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then you did have that dramatic shift in the 2000s with hip-hop kind of stepping over that and taking up that mantle where it was like, okay, it's in a little bit of everything.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, even rock music, and we can we'll talk about that later on.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll definitely get to that.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I think I think that's I really think that's the case.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: All right, man.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: We we we need a we we we need a breakdown.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: We need a breakdown, we need a we need a brief synapsis.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: Let's let our viewers know of how fucking crazy this decade really.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like we lived it, but again, I think we were established in our lives.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't think we noticed it until we both went back and went, holy fuck, this decade was insane.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: Insane.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't even think about it because we lived it too.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: In a different, but a different living it compared to the 90s and the 80s, because we were, like you said before we came on here, we were adults.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we had a different view on the world at that point.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, life punched us in the face and was like, you you gotta do something now.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so here we go.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the 2000s were one of the most diverse and transitional decades in modern music.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you gotta think we started with CDs and radio still dominating, you know, for how the platform how we consumed music.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh as the decade kind of rolled on, you know, it kind of ended more with uh iPods, YouTube came of age, uh digital downloads were starting to pick up Steam.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then really at the end of the decade, streaming began, you know, became one of the main ways that we discovered and consumed music.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: So you gotta think of it like it's the decade when music stopped being something you bought and really became something that you started carrying around in your pocket.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, with your iPods, your phones, things like that.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then what also happened too was MTV changed so much.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta think 80s and 90s, it was the vessel for how everybody uh got their shit out there to where you got found.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, music videos meant something.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it kind of died out and started going to reality-based TV, as we had talked about.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then at the same time that was happening with MTV, YouTube launched in 2005, and then it became what MTV kind of was, where it was it was a discovery platform for a lot of people, and then music videos artists got smart to it and were like, hey, we can just load this up to our YouTube page and oh, it's right there for people to watch.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: They don't have to wait for MTV to spin it.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: They can watch it as many times as they want, however long they want to.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of the brief synopsis without going into the actual music stuff.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, and and you know I I I think YouTube was better too, though, because with MTV and VH1 and BET you had to be established at least somewhat, or at least have a stamp from somebody.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas YouTube, you didn't you just had to throw your shit up there and just you know, uh hope that people found it, which I I personally think is absolutely better than not because you know the one thing you hear from and this is every fucking genre is how these rec record labels just stifle and shit on these artists and how much can we take for publishing for 35 years and and and it and it it it's just nice to know that you know, and we won't delve into the 2020s because they're not over yet.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: We'll talk a little bit in the 2010s, but with with content creation and stuff like that, it allows people to be themselves and put their shit out the way they want to and how they want.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a good thing for for artistic expression.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I agree.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: And as far as MTV, fuck MTV, because that that to me, as much as I love music, that was one of the biggest disappointments because there was nothing like when we used to rush home and try to catch videos and getting interviewed on TRL or Rap City in the basement.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Rap City used to be a thing uh in the 90s and rolled into the 2000s up to the mid, um, where they would bring rappers and and every now and then maybe some RB artists, but mainly rappers.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: And at the end of it, they had to get in the booth and rap, like a freestyle shit.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um and it like a test to the skills, yes, and it and it became there's some iconic ones.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know if you remember when Jay-Z dropped the black album, um, that was his retirement album.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, sure.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: And at the end of the verse, uh, because Big Tigger, who was the host, he would also rap with him a little bit.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and there was this rumor going around and ongoing.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people still believe that you could tell if Tigga liked the artist by how well he rapped with the artist.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: But Jay-Z rapporte, I still memorized it to this day because I loved it.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: But when he was done, he just threw a t-shirt over it and it said got black, like remember the got milk ads?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: And uh Tigga came on and he said, We're retiring this mic.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: And they never use that specific mic again.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: But that's awesome.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: But that's just kind of shows you like 2000 was it was all over the fucking place.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was it was there was so much going on.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um where do you think we should start?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I this is there's so much again, man.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: It was almost overwhelming when I looked at it because I'm like looking at stuff and I'm like, okay, I remember that.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: And typically what I'll do is I'll write down what I think first, and then I'll go do research and see what aligns and what I missed.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I can tell you there was about this much of the stuff I thought of, and about this much of the shit that I was like, oh yeah, like there's so much that happened.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think that we can hit on because it does kind of show the diversity of the decade, is the defining albums of the 2000s.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's um, I I don't know if that's a good no, yeah, absolutely.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: I um I did a little bit of that.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: Did you?
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I can also off the top of my head, because yeah, um I had my own job at this point, so I bought a lot of music before it went to iPods and shit.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: So um you want me to, I mean, because I I mean we're gonna have to talk about it and I might as well.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, as we all know, uh Eminem drops Marshall Mathews OP and it fucking exploded.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: 2000.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh exactly.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: And what's I mean, and what's you know what's crazy about that is like you know that's like I think almost double diamond now.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, I can believe it.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um I can believe that for sure.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it it was it was the rocket that sent him, you know.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god, yeah.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, uh you would be remissed.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we we can throw in the MM show because he he hit one of those three peats with the Slim Shadow P, but that dropped in 99, so he kind of had to.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, but I mean what go ahead, man.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: What's I I mean I know you got some good ones too.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a here's a very diverse one from where Eminem was at, but uh Hybrid Theory by Lincoln Park came out in 2000.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: Believe that.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: Believe that a good album.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: That that revolutionized, they were so different.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: Even when you talk about new metal and crossover between rap and rock, they were just different.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um is it diamond?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you had it from from from from what I said, um it's actually I I didn't know this.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: Lincoln Park was named the 2010s rock artist of the decade.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, dude.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: Lincoln Park is hot for a while.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I knew they were, but I kind of felt like after minutes to midnight, but then again, that was towards the end of the decade, so yeah, they had a fucking hold on their metaphorical balls, man.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: I I forgot, yeah, because they had Meteora and Reanimation and man, there was so much, and and obviously we can't forget about the rise of Beyonce.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's uh I mean that's um 2006 B Day.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that one, and then um God, she had a couple in there, you know, because that was her departure from Destiny's Child, and they were big, so oh yeah.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: She went from you know, girl basically girl bands, whatever you want to do.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Said a boy band girl group girl group to solo super fucking star.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she was destined for that.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: It was, you know, everybody knew she was the best out of it out of them.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um what else you got?
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: I have some interesting ones because this uh I'm kind of going diverse with within.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of what I'm um The Strokes, yeah, called Is This It 2001, which they're gar considered garage rock.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: I never got into that stuff though.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it wasn't it was hard for me.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was weird, yeah.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And my most hated band of all time, sorry guys, the White Stripes.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: I you know that's funny you should mention them because I never liked him either.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: And and and I like Jack Why, yeah, like I actually really like him, but I just their music is just not weird for me.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um and and I wanted to wait a little bit because we kind of had to talk about Eminem, but in hip hop to this day and before that, we have never seen a debut like we did from this artist and this album, and that was Get Rich or Die Trying by 56.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, yeah, he I don't know why he's not on here.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's a good album.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, like it revolutionized, like it was such a big debut, yeah, and it actually lived up to the hype that in hip hop, like you can go back.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like I watched and listened to podcasts like the Drink Champs with Nori and like the the Jada and uh Fat Joe um podcast, and they talk about constantly like the impact that that album had.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: And uh again, that's another one.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um in its first week, it almost went platinum.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: Holy crap, it was at like 900,000.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, I mean, we'll keep I mean, obviously, I'm gonna talk about you know those genres for me, but there's there's some others.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's that's why I like I said, defining albums.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Outcast, Speaker Box, The Love Below, 2003.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was so glad that you had brought that up.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because that was also the last album that they made as a group.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it was so genius in how they made it.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: It was a double album.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: One was like a solo album from Andre, and one was like a solo album from Big Boy.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: And if you guys are Outcast fans and maybe fell off or something, don't go listen to that.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: We want to talk about an ear-pleasing and just an exceptional artistic expression.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: It is such a great album.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'll I'll change gears a little bit.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: I won't, I won't stick to the hip hop in that.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we have to talk about the fame by Lady Gaga.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: It was towards the end.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I mean her her impact in music, I mean, yeah.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: And and her monsters, as she calls them.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I felt like that was one.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: I can tell you a quick story about that.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: About Lady Gaga and how a lot of her music bled over into things.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, when I was in the band I was in, we towards the end of my time, uh, we were talking about I believe we were talking about covering poker face.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: That would be great, like heavy.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: As an industrial metal song, and I'm like, mmm.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: We were seriously, seriously talking about it.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because we had done we had done depeche mode, we had done filter, we had done nine inch nails, and we had gotten to the point where like, we let's do something different.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not in the same kind of genre that we're in.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do something out of the box, and it was like, alright, and then we started kicking around Lady Gaga, and I was like, dude, this would be killer.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like doing what we could do on the on the synths and and doing what we can do on the guitars, and uh and I wish I just honestly had things been not as crazy as they were in my life at that time, and I would have stayed, I would have enjoyed doing that with those guys.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: So I thought that was kind of a a weird thing to and and the the last one I'll bring up, and then I got I got something for you.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um Kanye West.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: What was that?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: That used to be the cover to my watch.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's nice.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, uh, we gotta talk about Kanye.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I mean, we know mentally where he is at.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: And some of the stuff he's saying has come out to be like, all right, maybe some of the shit he was saying.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: But um, guys, we Kanye absolutely took over the industry.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, his run with college dropout, uh less late registration and then uh graduation.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then he really, if you want to even go into 808s and Heartbreaks, but that's for another um another decade?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: That was that's still 2000.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: It was just different than the other ones, but it was still um but yeah, Kanye West's and then to see what he's I mean, should he became a billionaire.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah to see what he did.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: That is true.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I but I think those were some of the most oh, you got one more?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: I have a good one.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: No, yes, yes, Phil.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: I have a good one that you didn't even think about okay, because you've probably heard it a hundred times, and they were established in the 90s, the band was.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: But American Idiot by Green Day, bro.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: I did forget that because that you know, we did have Dookie, and we had a uh Nimrod and a bunch of other ones, but I think American Idiot, and this is gonna be crazy to say, but it may have took them into that next stratosphere, even though they were so big as they already were.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that's I did forget about that.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good one, man.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good one, yeah.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I have listened to that a hundred dude, it's so good.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: And you for being a uh a pop punk or punk band, you wouldn't think that they were green day.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I like to call them.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right, they were just green days, it's kind of the same with offspring, it's like they were just offspring, like I don't know.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: All right, I got I got something I want to ask you, man.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, because we we have to address this because I I think people that were fans, people that were casual fans, kind of like me, maybe a little bit above casual.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: What happened to Rock in the 2000s, man?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Man, that's a good question.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh a lot of people think it it disappeared, which it didn't.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: That that might be a bit much.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what happened to is that it it it fragmented, right?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: So the nineties gave rock a a cultural movement with grunge and an alternative, and you gotta throw pop punk in there too.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um but by In 2000, the landscape really changed fast, and in the early part you had new metal dominating, and I mean dominating, it was everywhere.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Everywhere.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: But see, there this ties in.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: You could start hearing with these new artists with that genre, you could start hearing the hip-hop influence.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: You could hear the turntables, the synthesizers, the keyboards, things like that.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: And Lincoln Park led that kind of revolution with Mike rapping over Chester singing.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I love those guys so much.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people shit on them.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, you don't know never work.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know music.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh shit, they knew music more than the average bear.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: And kind of lumping this in, one of our hated bands, Limp Biscuit.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: A couple songs, other than that.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: A couple of our more loved bands, also new metal, corn.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, love corn.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Slipknot.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Love Slipknot.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Papa Roach.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: Not the biggest fan of them.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: A couple songs.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: However, I think they've gotten softer.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: I've alluded to this, I believe, in our second music, but I went and seen Eminem when he was doing the MM show.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, they opened for him.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: And they had a song where they destroyed all of their equipment at the end of the song.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: So that was kind of cool.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: They're great live.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's what I've heard.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't delve into their music that much.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not a slight to them.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: I just it they're just not one that I go to.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: But um Lincoln Park, I fell in love with immediately.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: And and with hybrid theory, you could hear the hip hop, but when they made reanimation, was when I went, okay, these dudes are fucking for real.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: But I think what was nice about them was when they did Meteora, they still kept that, but it was it was softer.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: It was softer, it was less hip hopy, more rocky.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: And it w and well, and it was even less heavy.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like Meteora, I mean it it always had that Lincoln part to it.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: But I think Meteora went just a little bit.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: I won't say softer.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: What's a better word?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: More mellow.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that's it.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's the word.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: More mellow.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: And then they they continued that when they hit minutes to midnight.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, a lot less hip hop.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: But again, you know, I I get shit for this because I do love reanimation, but for some reason I love Minutes to Midnight.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Minutes to Midnight's a good one, man.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: And that came out in I believe 09.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um because I seen them in 2010.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: And if they're already on tour, it's usually the year before.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: So because when I went and seen them with Chris Cornell, Ashes Divide, um uh 10 years.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: This is when 10 years was an like they weren't even on the main stage.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: This was like a fest, not a festival, but like a day-long thing where it started at noon, and there was it was at Blossom, and there was a second stage, uh, and that's where 10 years performed.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: So um, but anyways, um yeah, it was I I think that was one thing that you brought up that that I I noticed wasn't talked about a lot when we did research, but was all of the genres melding though?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you you had RB using rock riffs and you had uh pop like Britney Spears, she would have a hip-hop artist on a song, and then she might have you know uh uh a guitarist on a like it there was a lot of hey, let's work together this decade, which which you know I know some people are purists, and and I am to a certain extent, but there's also a place for everything.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: There is it's like going to a carnival.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you can have a roller coaster and you can have a Tilto World.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't have to just be and funnel kick.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, man, I mean uh and keep going because it wasn't just the new metal and and the conversion.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: It it by the end of the decade it sounded completely different than it did at the beginning of the decade.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh but I also get a lot of there's a lot of confusion, and I understand that with what new metal was considered.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: So New Metal was the mixing of of heavy metal with hip hop, with electronics, and a little bit of alternative in there.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately for them and that genre, it did peak by the middle of the you know the 2000s, and pretty much kind of lost momentum, kind of puttered out.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of those bands kind of fell off.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, not the big ones like like I mentioned.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Corin's still doing it, yeah.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Slipknot, even though they kind of you know, Corey Taylor kind of did Stone Sour and Sour.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what is it?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Bro What is it Broken Glass?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: What's that song called?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Through Glass.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that song.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: Looking at you through the glass.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I love it.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: Such a good song.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: What was that?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Was that fully?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even think that was Stone Sour.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think that was just Stone Sour.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: Was it?
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then he they did um Oh god with this is this is like the Wayback Machine.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember if it was the first was it the first or second Spider-Man?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: There was a song, I was it him or was it no?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: That was Nickelback with Josie Wales.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: Josie Wales from um Saliva, yeah.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: They did Hero.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's another great song.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: And can I just say this?
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: I I had a hot take uh in the one episode where I said I wasn't a Beatles fan.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: Can we stop giving Nickelback hate?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I'm that's what I'm saying.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I will agree that a lot of their stuff sounds the same, right?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: But they're talented.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Chad Kroger can sing his ass off, and they're a good band.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say this about them, okay?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: There's two versions of Nickelback that you get, right?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: And this is gonna get a lot of shit.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: But you've you you've got the radio side of Nickelback, which this is the polished shit they put out on the radio for you to hear.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: And then you buy the album or download the album or stream the album or stick the album sideways up your ass and shine it up real nice.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: The other the deep cuts.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: The deep cuts, the other ten songs minus the two or three singles are gonna sound completely different, and you're like, wait a second, this isn't no.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's the same band, I promise you.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Go back and take a time, you know, traveling moment and listen to the album called The State.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was big when they were still in Canada before they popped off, huge with Silver Side Up in America with How You Remind Me.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: Although that album in its entirety is fucking fantastic.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's a yeah, it's a good album.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, I wish people would give them less hate and love them a little more.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna bring this up because I don't know if you have it, um, but I think it's something that should be talked about.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: Can we talk about the silent battle between new metal and emo?
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like my chemical romance.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah, I didn't uh Fallout Boy and stuff like that.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: Can we?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, because that was a big thing.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, yeah, it seemed like in the 2000s you either liked New Metal or Liked the Emo, and you kinda had a thing for you know, a little beef with the other side.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: This actually kind of is a nice transition into this too.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because you gotta figure that while New Metal was peaking, pop pop or pop punk fucking exploded everywhere with Green Day, Blink 182, Sum 41, Good Charlotte.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, good.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's a band, yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Fallout Boy.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: And um there's a couple more 311 or were they 90s?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, they were 2100s.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, they were 2000s, but they were they were more of a sublime though, weren't they?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they kind of mixed that punky sound with kind of like the new metally thing.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think there's a what is that story about Osfest when they basically got fucking booed off stage?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because they, you know, people were like, what?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, fuck this, we don't want this.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I was never really what was the song, Butterfly?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: Was it Butterfly was the name of the song?
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: That was from a I thought that was from a group named O Town.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, oh O Town, right.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: I get those two mixed up because they all suck.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: I never listened to Fallout Boy, My Chemical Romance.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, if if you were gonna put me on a side of the fence, I was new metal.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but that makes sense.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: I was at that time.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, but that would make sense being the hip-hop guy.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, but also liking your your pink Floyd's or Metallicas, it would make sense that that's where I would go.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: Not that saying that, like, you know, your Fallout Boys are my chemical romance.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, don't be playing Footsies movie.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: I know, stretch my head.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: It ain't that kind of party.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I felt like they were very popular, and yes, you know, there was there was kind of like that quiet war between Yeah, I like I said, you if you were on one side, and it's completely correct, I I like you, I'm more of a a metal purist, so even I had my issues with some new metal stuff as much as I enjoyed it.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: I still went, what the hell is this shit mixing this with this?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Nah.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, but then as I kind of got older and kind of grew throughout the decade, it was like I can respect it, and then as I've gotten even older now, I can see I always liked Green Day, man, and that was kind of like that they were that bridge band between if you like new metal but hated that, but you still like Green Day.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: So should I share a little story about that?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go for it.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: So when I was in middle school and going into high school, uh Dookie dropped, I believe, in '94.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: So that was my eighth grade year, right?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously I knew about the radio, you know, or and like MTV, but there was a girl that I went to school with, graduated with same um she'll probably never see this.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: But I had a crush on her.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we actually dated for like a month.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but like it was it's for another conversation.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was different, but she was a huge Green Day fan.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: Still is to this day from the last time.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a while since I had Facebook, was the last time I talked to her, but yeah, she was still a big fan.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I I won't say her name.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's fine.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, even though I'm pretty sure she wouldn't give a shit.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: But I had a crush on her, and she was a big Green Day fan, and it was to the point where I remember sitting in.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember Mr.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: Nasca?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: We were sitting in his class, and I sat here, and she sat here, and we had a new student come in, and he came in dressed to school like Billy Joe.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, he had the the the white t-shirt only button at the top with the tie on, like, and I and I remember you at that point.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: I knew that I was like, it's over, and that was it.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: So, but that was just a funny little story.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: But I love Green Day too.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: We took Sonny, we were just talking about this.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: We took Sonny to our first concert.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: It was Green Day, and it was Green Day, and bro, one of the best shows.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and you know, Billy Joe is just a again, we've talked about this.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: He's just a good person.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like good people.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, you don't have to be, I mean, I'd prefer you to be a good person for me to listen to your music, R.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Kelly.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you gotta there are times you gotta separate the art from the artist, right?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: But it helps when you're just a good person.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: And Billy Joe and them three guys are just they've always been anti-establishment, they've always wanted to stick it to the man.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh god, and I love it.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I love it.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and that's what you know, a lot of people don't realize that's what metal was, too.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what hip hop was, and that's why they all got because they were rebels.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: They were like, Oh, yeah, we don't want to be told what to do, we need to do what us.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that was um that was but yeah, Pink Floyd, uh Pink Floyd, Green Day, Jesus Christ, where's mine?
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um I celebrate their whole catalog.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like um they may have albums that I don't listen to everything, but they've always dropped an album that I've went.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: I like that song.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like even one of my favorite songs from them is a song later on, and that's 21 Guns.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: Good song.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: I love that song, but I like um all right.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: Now that you've extended uh do you have some more than that?
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: I got a lot more.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's keep it going, keep it, keep it moving.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: So around the same ish time, unfortunately, you had a garage rock resurgence with bands that I absolutely can't stand with the strokes, the white stripes, the hives, the yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like any of that shit.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's all garbage.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: I never listened to any of it.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you like it, good for you.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: If not, you're allowed.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but it's not for me.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, then I'm good.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I will I will say this though.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Around that time as well, metal did not disappear.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of went more underground and it diversified.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: So you got metal core, death core, you got progressive metal, and you got alt metal or alternative metal, which kinda Godsmack kind of posts in there a little bit, but they're like post-grunge, but they're also like modern hard rock, like early Godsmack.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I could definitely because they weren't new metal.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, they didn't really have a lot of hip hop.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's where Disturbed gets lumped into that too.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: They're more like modern, modern metal, modern rock, post grunge.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um but out of all of that, you did get bands like Avenge Sevenfold, which I love A7X Pro.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: Seven Dust.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: You got Seven Dust in the 2000s as well.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Kill Switch Engage.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good one.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, one of my favorites that I still rock to this day, and you know it, Lamb of God.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good one.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: And Trivium.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying not to cut you off, but I I think there's one that we've gr grossly overlooked.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: Breaking Benjamin.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, dude, yes.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's one of my favorites.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: Behind uh Five Fingered Death Punch, I think that's my I th I'm I wanna say I want to say Death Punch's first album was late 2000s, like 0800.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: I thought they were 2010s.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, because they they released War is the answer in like 11 or 12.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what blew them up, right?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Or no, War is the Answer is the Ann?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Which one?
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: American Capitalist, excuse me.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: American Capitalist was Wars the Answer was two.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: We we have the I know, we have the ability.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just like droning on like a mindless dumbass.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: I know Way of the Fist was the first one, and I think that was like 08 or 09.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: Way of the Fist was 07.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: Wars the Answer was 09, and American Capitalist was 2011.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, 2011.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: For me, it was 2013 that got me into them.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: Wrong side of heaven, righteous side of heaven.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: And now that's what got me into them.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: I went back to the other albums were great, but that's when I went, oh shit, I like these guys.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I mean the the different landscapes changing was crazy rock, man.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, you know, it it again what helped a lot of these uh bands like this, like I just mentioned, was YouTube.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: They they helped them develop substantial audiences.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: YouTube, MySpace, uh, music blogs, remember when that was a thing?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh remember file sharing, file sharing, and eventually streaming helped kind of bring these guys to where they didn't have to rely on the radio.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they could go, and I think uh SoundCloud.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think SoundCloud part there.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I know streaming, I think started in like 08-09, but I don't it didn't really grab because Apple Music didn't start till 2016.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I think you know, having YouTube, SoundCloud, and those things, yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was allowing people to make the music, especially with rock music, right?
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: Where you didn't have a fucking label going, oh, you need a single, because we all know that story with corn and the one single they made.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Y'all want a single, say fuck that.
• 38:14
  unknown: Fuck that.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I I think they were able to go, we can just do what the fuck we want.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I think there's a good liberation to that.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it to wrap this up, because we started with the question about what the hell happened to rock in the 2000s.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: In a nutshell, rock and roll didn't die.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: It lost its monopoly.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: It went from being the center of pop music or popular music to being just a part of a much bigger musical world.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it all just kind of fits in like a nice puzzle.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: They they were the tree that grew branches.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um man, what a fucking rock really took a turn.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: And there was way more way more.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we could I tried to streamline it.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: We we could have the 2000s, like we talk about the 90s and the 80s and shit about being like explosions and shit, but I don't think we can stress enough the amount of variety that was in the 2000s was absolutely insane.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um I guess since we were talking new metal, we'll go into something um that has to be talked about um from my side of the fence to hip hop, and that's the super producer.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Super producer.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um I won't I won't go long, but it's something that that needs to be brought up because this was when you now had hip-hop producers really jumping into other genres and shit.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay, yeah.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm gonna name what I call the big three, and that's Kanye, Timbalin, and the Neptunes, aka Pharrell.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, they're not the Neptunes anymore, but that's how they started.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um and the reason why I say that is because you had people like Timbaland doing what they did with One Republic.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: Too late to apologize.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's too late for waffle fries.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: I can tell you a story about that.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: I do like waffle fries friends.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: We'll leave that for another day.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: I want waffle fries.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now I want them with cheese.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: God damn from Mr.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Hero.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I gotta start eating before I come over here.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, so I gotta find yeah.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: So we went from like you know, hip-hop was producers, there was a lot of sampling, there was a lot of using outside stuff, and then um it got to the point where you knew it was gonna be a hit if you seen these specific artists, and like I said, it was it was branching out.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_02: You had One Republic, then you had people like Britney Spears getting produced by like say a Neptunes, and then you had there was so much of that going on.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um and again, you know, it was the rise of Timbaland and and and Kanye, and we know how big Kanye really started to get in the 2010s.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, obviously, he went a little bit off the rails over the last half decade.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I just felt like it had to be mentioned because these guys were to the point where, like, you know, like I said, if you wanted a hit, go to Timbaland.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: You wanted a hit, go to Pharrell.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: If you wanted, and I just felt that was something small and simple, but was very impactful that started to happen.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think Kanye maybe needs one of these?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: A couple.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: A couple?
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but he also some of the stuff that he said is coming to fruition, so we gotta be careful when we label these people.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's definitely crazy, um, but we gotta be careful with how much crazy we think somebody is.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because there's a lot of times truth and insanity, so yeah, no, that's very true, very true.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um what what do you think we should we should hop to next?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: Because again, we could have a four-hour episode on this shit.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: I did not do anything about the super producers because I didn't know we were doing that.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: I well I appreciate the lesson because I did not know that about Pharrell.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I knew it about Timbaland, but I'm not sure.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you a I I'll tell you what, before we go into our next one, I I just wanted to throw that one in there because it was it was it was big.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um so do you remember Rex and FX?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: You're not, but oh you do?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you know Rump Shaker.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know who produced and wrote that?
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Mr.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Farreau.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: He's been around since the early 90s, bro.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't look a day over 25.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: That dude looks 20 and he's older than me.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, fun fact, I told you that clips album was my favorite.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: He founded the clips.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I just wanted to mention that because there's, you know, like I said, these guys went to the other fucking stratosphere.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, look at him.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: All three of them are are still two decades later considered super producers.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I there's only a couple things that I wanted to kind of lightly touch on.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: I know a lot of people are gonna get pissed off, but for one, I wasn't into it at the time, and for two, I wasn't into it at the time.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I think I know where you're going, because I wouldn't either.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: So and we we discussed this yesterday, like we we wanted to kind of hit the episode hard with rock and then kind of end with what we want to what we're gonna end on.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: And and then get to what we're gonna get to at the end of that, and then the end of that.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: So but the pop explosion uh in the 2000s that kind of carried over from the nineties.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you did have you know Brittany g be Brittany Spears becoming massive, Christian Aguilera.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: Justin Timberlake breaking off.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, Beyonce Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Rihanna.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: There was so many Taylor Swift that later on in the two thousands.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: Katie Perry.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: Katy Perry, I mean So they they all became, you know, huge stars.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: But that was kind of like that next generation from the nineties.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I didn't get much into any of that.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care much for most of that.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: My love for RB died in the early 2000s.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I never was a big like I like songs that were poppy, but I never had an artist, so it it wasn't my wheelhouse either.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but again, you couldn't go anywhere without seeing it everywhere.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: And every girl we knew had every fucking CD from everybody that was popular during the decades.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: All over the radio, all over MTV, as MTV was dying a slow, horrible, painful death.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: But you gotta you outside of Britney, who's batshit crazy, sorry, um, most of these that I mentioned have had humongous, massive careers and are still doing it to this day.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and you know, I always felt that Christina Aguilera should feel slighted because uh her and Kelly Clarkson have pipes.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I felt like they got the raw deal for being lumped into that.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: Very and I understand it, you know, uh Christina had to make Genie in a bottle and What a Girl Wants.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: But then you go and listen to like beautiful.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: And like, you know, and Kelly Clarkson with uh what's that one song?
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: I can't think of the name of it, and I feel bad.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's the one where she's you know talking about being left on it.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they you know, I I they have to be because they had the pop hits, but I I consider them more so singer songwriters now.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yes, they came in as as pop stars, but Britney never lost that.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: No offense to my Britney fans.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: I know y'all, it's Brittany, bitch, but yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: I you know, it wasn't me.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_02: No, not at all, not at all.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh the only thing, you know, and I'm just gonna be honest, because I was 20 years old, uh she was cute.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's fair.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it wasn't that I thought she was bad, it just wasn't the shit that I listened to.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not, and that's where my next one comes in to you, is you know, also around that the same time the country started becoming more mainstream, and there were a lot of crossovers with you know uh hip-hop artists and things like that.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Tim McGraw Nelly.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: But you did have you know big heavy hitters that came out of that decade with Carrie Underwood, yeah, that must be Keith Urban, Tim McGraw, even though he was later nineties.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: It was nineties a little bit, and Faith Hill, same way, later nineties, but really exploded in the early 2000s.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: You could probably go Kenny Chesney.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Kenny Chesney, Rascal Flats, Brad Paisley.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately, at the end of towards the middle to end of the decade, Taylor Swift.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, it's not for me.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't care if you like her, it's just not for me.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever so the first time we went to Myrtle Beach, um, we had bought a bunch of CDs, and I had gotten like uh I got Jay-Z, um, Magna Carta, Holy Grail, I got Tech Nines, all sixes and sevens.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, ran and bought something, and then Sonny had bought the Taylor Swift album that Blank, what is it, Blank Page and all that other thing?
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um and it actually wasn't a bad album.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: There was a lot of catchy shit on there.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's just not for I I can enjoy it, but it's not something I'm gonna go back to, you know what I mean?
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now me.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now me, sorry, I can't.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: My wife likes her.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think one of my kids both whatever.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: They they kind of like I just I don't get it.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't get it.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's just it's like you with ICP.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the juggalos are the juggalos, they're fan based, will kick your ass over shit like that, and she has what, the the Swifties or whatever?
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: They'll come after you for disrespecting their god, and I just don't understand it.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same with Beyonce, the Behive will kill you.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't get it.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think she can sing, I don't think she's talented, I don't she's not entertaining to me.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's a hot take.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just I think she's a good songwriter.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's a one out of four.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not listening I'm I'm trying to save you from getting death threats.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, they're gonna come for you, dude.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: Send them to you.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: The Swifties are I mean, they're they're stand level.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then they and then she she marries Travis Kelsey, which is cool.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's from Cleveland.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: I I like me some of the Kelsey brothers.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: I I enjoy their podcast.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I actually like Jason Kelsey's wife.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: She's fucking hilarious.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Right, she's hilarious.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: She's so fucking funny.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I mean, we had to talk about it.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um I will say this, and forgive me if you're fans of of what we just talked about.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: But like the new metal, the emo, the hip-hop, all of that had staying power.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_02: As quickly as it fucking exploded, that pop shit fizzled the fuck out.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of it.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: Really, you only had Taylor Swift that held on.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: You only had uh JT and Beyonce.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_02: That was really it.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody else kind of Jessica Simpson didn't make shit.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Christina Aguilera still made stuff, but yeah, she she went into a done this.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: Well, but the quality was still there because I mean you've seen her on like the voice and other shit, but um, but it had to be mentioned.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: He's rubbing his hands, folks.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's the floor is yours, my friend.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: This this is your time to uh we're we're we're getting into where hip-hop Yes.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: I have a bunch written down, but I'm leaving it.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: I will chime in and yeah, you know, we talked about 90s and how that how that shaped me, and that I mean that was the decade that made me want to rap.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_02: But 2000s hip-hop went global, yeah.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: It did, it did, and it went in a big fucking way.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um again, we we we talked about it with the albums.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_02: You had people like 50 Cent and Eminem really fucking exploding.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um but one artist that we didn't talk about in the 90s, um, because his biggest hits were in the 2000s and I saved him.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, there's no fucking way we can talk about the 2000s and not talk about Jay-Z and his fucking impact on hip hop.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: That is true.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: Now where he's at now.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I I mean, I was backwards hat, Yankees fitted.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I thought I was, you know.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um there there was so much though, because then, you know, one of the things that that I I have to make sure I talk about is the rise of Southern hip hop.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it it needs to have its its own segment.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, obviously we had Outcast in the 90s, like they debuted in '94.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you have Scarface and the Ghetto Boys from Houston.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: I hit you.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: I hit you with that the other day.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you had 36 Mafia coming from Memphis.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_02: You had 8 Ball and MJG coming from uh Orangemile.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um you had these artists, but you had to know hip-hop.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: In the 2000s, that's when we really got the Houston sound with people like Slim Thug, Paul Wall, Comillionaire.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, obviously we had UGK.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: They were they they were a big, big Houston influence.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_02: But then we started seeing Nelly in St.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: Louis and that sound.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then you had Atlanta with like TI and Young Jeezy.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there was so many other it was really, you know.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Would you count Ludacris in that?
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's Atlanta, man.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_02: But Luda was a little a lot of people forget that he's from Atlanta because he doesn't have the southern drone, right?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: Not as heavy, but that's because I believe he wasn't from Atlanta.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: He moved there as like a teenager child.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: But yes, we have to mention Luda.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I've I've said this, and this is gonna make people laugh.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: We've had debates amongst friends and stuff.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: Who could really beat Eminem in a battle?
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we can't, it's hard to find anybody.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: At this stage, we'll talk about this in a future episode.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: I actually think Kendrick might be able to, but that's for another day.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: But up to that point, up to that point, um, really the only one I always said was ludicrous.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you go back and you listen to songs like Stand Up, Move Bitch, um, What's Your Fantasy, he had a whimsical way to make you laugh, but at the same time make a fucking hit song.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and and I thought that that was a good way, as somebody that loved beef and battles and and still love it to this day.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: That was a way for him to kind of carve his own niche.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: But again, you had Outcast producing their biggest selling albums in 2000s.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: They're from Atlanta.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: You had Ludacris, Atlanta, Jeezy, Atlanta, T.I.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: Atlanta.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I there was so many, and then you could even go.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: There was a few in the 90s from from Florida, but you had like Flowrider and you had Pitbull, and like, you know, and then you know, you have the Krunk, we can't forget Krunk, Little John.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's what I'm saying, right?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: The the 90s was for hip hop.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: The nineties was for for for hip-hop to like explode or to grow up.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then the 2000s, the South said, you know, in in 95, uh Andre at at the Source Awards, when they accepted awards, said, We just want to let y'all know the South has something to say.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: And in the 2000s, they said a lot.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: I have a very like interesting like wrapping up uh how the decades were with that into the 2000s.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the eighties established it.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously it was born in the 70s, but the 80s established it in hip-hop.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: The 90s made it a major cultural phenomenon, and then the 2000 turned it into the global mainstream monster that it is still to this day.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's amazing to see.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: We're not gonna get into the 2020s because it's the decade's not over yet.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's just over half over.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_02: But what you look now is you see um Vietnamese rappers, you see Japanese rappers.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: You there's something you may not know.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: Did you know there's a whole European culture of hip-hop artists that are like yeah, nope, uh it it has it has really, really, really blossomed uh in into something amazing.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, uh the 2000s saw uh who would become the the the the rise of Eminem.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and to close that out uh for the hip hop, there's one thing that I wanted to bring up, and more so as a fun fact.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_02: A fun fact.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: Not a fun, I mean it is a fun fact, but um I have a couple interesting things that I can also add.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um we have to bring up something that Eminem invented that is now in dictionaries and is now used as a term for a crazed fan.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um he invented Stan.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_02: Stan.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he invented that um with a song um that now anybody that talks about crazed, over-obsessive fans calling Stans now.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_02: That is true and how like if you listen to the song, it's disturbing.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's about a an obsessed fan that's pissed that his favorite artist won't contact him and takes it to that level.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, spoiler fact for a fucking 26-year-old song, you fuckers, but uh he ends up killing himself and his pregnant girlfriend, and there's there's a lot of shit to it, but there's but the irony was is he was getting back, but he was just busy.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and um I can definitely tell you that um you can break fandoms down now by yeah, these are fans, these are stands.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: So there was just something I wanted to bring up because it's it is now a part of our vernacular, our word, our verbiage.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's there.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: So but what are some of the things you wanted to mind is more the technical side of how things changed from the nineties into the 2000s and what we heard.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, early 2000s, uh hip-hop was kind of hard and aggressive, but the production you know became increasingly like polished, almost to the point of being over polished.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: But what did you hear in those songs and that kind of thing?
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: Huge bass, you started getting more synths, you got soul samples, you got RB hooks, which you didn't really get before.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, you had that crossover like we talked about earlier.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_02: You had songs that I mean John Rule was bigger than making songs with um I can't think of it.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_02: Jennifer Lopez.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you had that, you definitely had those crossovers.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: But you had electronic stuff going on, and then kind of towards the end of the decade, auto-tune stuff vocally.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then also, too, what you a lot of people don't think about uh the line between hip-hop and RB and pop, it kind of became more and more increasingly blurry.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was fuzzy as fuck.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_00: Which actually that that's just kind of bleed over, and and that's kind of I believe what helped push it into the It had to.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_02: It had to for anything to sustain, it has to evolve.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_02: And speaking on that, an artist that I didn't even think to bring up that we can't because you said autotune is T Pain.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, T Pain.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and what's funny, guys, is everybody's shit on T Pain for using that.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: And if you listen to him, the dude can actually fucking sing and rap.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it was just a tool that could be used.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um people did overdo it.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_02: That shit got Jay-Z made a song on his album called uh Kingdom Come.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: There's a song called Death of Auto-Tune.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_02: And he talks about like there's a line in the chorus where he goes, Y'all need to give it up, y'all see pain in too much.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um So I have a I have an interesting uh an interesting thought for you.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously, with hip hop becoming of age and exploding and becoming a cultural phenomenon and a mainstream juggernaut in the 2000s.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what it shared with rock music at the time?
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: Outside of, you know, some attitude and other things.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_02: Not off the top of my head.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of alluded to earlier at the end with what happened with some of these independent artists that got big.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_00: The internet helped.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: It basically helped spread the disease of music with Napster, LimeWire, Myspace, YouTube.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: And in hip hop, what was big in hip-hop?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Mixtapes.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: Mixtapes.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to know what's funny though?
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: If you think back to the 80s and you hear a lot of 80s hair metal, thrash metal, heavy metal artists say, what helped get us over the edge was tape trading.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: So they had mixtape culture in the 2000s, in the 80s, it so it wasn't a new thing.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: But it the similarities, if you think about it, it's like it kind of bridges it all the way.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_02: Rock and rap are fucking need to be, and and and that was the thing.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_02: And and the reason why mixtapes became what they were is because it was a way, so there was actually a big thing that happened in the 2010s where a lot of those old mixtape guys were getting sued because they were using multiple verses.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because okay, mixtapes evolved constantly, but originally what it was is they would take popular beats, DJs would take popular beats, and they would take big artists, like let's say Jay-Z had like, let's let's use 99 Problems as an example.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they would take that beat and they would be like, Hey, I want to get, let's say, Jada Kiss, Cameron, um, Kanye, and Eminem, let's just say, on a track, and spit verses to this beat.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_02: The difference was they didn't own the beat.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: So mixtapes had to be free.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_02: So they would just spit one verse each, but it would also be a way for artists to get their name back out there right before records were to release.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but but it evolved because then you had things like Little Wayne's The Drought and the Re-Up, or the uh the Re-Up series, and then you had like Camron and Dipset with their run, and then the South went nuts with TI and Young Jeezy and Gucci Mane and all these artists who were really like you know, like uh Jeezy, he was known as the snowman because he was the and he had a really popular one called You Can't Ban the Snowman.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm glad you brought up mixtapes because yeah, um that was that was a huge culture, and it was another way for for artists to to to be like, man, I you know, because the remix was big, right?
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it could be a way for artists to be like, oh man, I want to rap on that beat.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_02: Let me see if a DJ's doing it for mixtape.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_02: And and it was a cool way.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: There was a lot of shit where you know artists like were pissed because, like, say like DJ Clue, who was a big one, like say like a rapper, like the game would give him a verse and then he would like throw it on a song with like artists that he was beefing with and shit.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, Well, we would have never made that song together.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: So shit like that was happening.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, man, it was it was a lot was happening in hip-hop, and and then eventually because of streaming, which we'll really get into in the next episode, but um kind of destroyed mixtapes and shit like that.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_02: Destroyed everything.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the 2000s were the death of a physical music.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um but streaming kind of took it to the next level.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you were still getting CDs in the early 2010s, that's why we're gonna leave it.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: At least I was.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um me too, even though I had an iPod.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_02: I did too, but I still had a car.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know, right?
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_02: Needed needed the CDs for the car.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_02: Man, that was a fucking great dive.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_00: That was fun, man.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't expect that.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: I knew it was gonna be a lot, but it was that's yeah, but we kicked it in the dick.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think so.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_02: There's so much more we could talk about.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: So many artists and stuff we forgot.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_02: But guys, you know, we try to keep this to an hour ish.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: Ish.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_00: 90s went long.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that and that that's okay if it does, but like, you know, also you never know when we can revisit shit, you know.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_02: We don't know.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we won't expand.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_02: We won't revisit the decades.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, we can expand all the time.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_02: But there's things that you know, maybe we'll take a deep dive into genres.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we'll who knows what we're gonna fucking do.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: You guys don't, but we do.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's because we're making the cookies, goddamn.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they're fucking delicious.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_02: Most of the time.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, as long as you don't put raisins in it.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um really?
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, you don't like fruit.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, so uh this has nothing to do with music.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_02: I actually love raisins.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just not in cookies?
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_02: Only by themselves.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_02: Only by themselves.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like them in bread pudding, I don't want them in my fucking oatmeal, I don't want them in cookies, get them out of my muffins.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you put raisins in that shit, I'm not eating them.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_02: I am absolutely on uh an island with this, and I know that, but it's one of those weird things where I just don't like them on anything.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: I just like them by themselves.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, but um is it is it time for shuffle it?
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's time for shuffling it.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we gotta do 2000.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, at first I used to think that like the 90s would have the most, but I was wrong.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have more 2000s shit on my phone than which doesn't make a lot of sense, but uh it's true.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'll let Babbo go first, because I went first in the bull sessions that you guys won't hear yet.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, you'll hear that before this episode, but I'm gonna go first.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh interesting.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting, interesting.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um and we didn't even mention well, we mentioned their her band in the 90s episode, but not her in this episode.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um Holla Backgirl by Gwen Stefani.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, she was big too.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: I forgot about that.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_00: Had a good solo career.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Bad Day by uh Daniel Powder.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good one.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_00: Good song.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I Know You Want Me, Pitbull.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_00: What is that, three?
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: Mr.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: Whirlwad.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: Mr.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_00: Worldwide.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Sexyback, JT.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's four.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_00: And A Thousand Miles by Vanessa Carlton.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_02: That will never, and I mean never, be the same after white chicks.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_02: Right, dude.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_02: I could not, there is not a time I ever hear that song where I don't just immediately laugh.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: You've seen the guy on TikTok that does it, and he's like, I'm posting it every day until I pull up the Terry Cruz.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_02: I hope he does it.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: I hope he sees it, and I hope he doesn't.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_02: I hope Terry Cruz goes out of his way to find the guy and fucking make it happen.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_00: So funny, bro.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um all right, man.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_02: That was a good one.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_02: That was a great play.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: I just shuffled a 2000s playlist just to see.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's kind of what I'm doing because again, I you can't search years.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because mine would be all metal if I just shuffled 2000s of mine.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, okay.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_02: Here's one.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, speaking of another artist that from a super producer that we mentioned, um, that makes completely different music now than the way they started.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: But uh Nelly Furtado, promiscuous.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she actually sang a lot more kind of folky when she first started with uh I'm like a bird.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_02: And then she got a little of that that Timbalin in her and fucking out.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now she um uh and then I'm gonna go Harder to Breathe by Maroon Five.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck, we didn't even talk about Maroon Five.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and I like I like Maroon Five.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_02: I love Adam Levine.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I like the dude that the first album for them is amazing.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and one thing that I talked about and we talked about, but we didn't get to, and I guess this is a good place to throw it out, but um, there was a lot of uh, and you made me know this, uh, female hip-hop artists that kind of blew up, and we didn't get to touch that.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I think there may be a time in the future when it can have its own segment.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think it can have its own segment, just women in hip hop, yeah, or just women in music, period.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_02: True.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_02: We should probably man, that's actually a good idea.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_02: Women in music.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_02: See, and you said you don't have good ideas.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think we should do this full of your shit.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, but this one is lose control, um, featuring um Sierra and um hold on.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_02: I need to see who the other one is.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we I we were talking and I had said Missy Elliott.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um then we're gonna go Rihanna Don't Stop the Music, which is a good song, and Yellow by Coldplay.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_00: It that came up on mine too, and you know what's really funny?
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_00: I really don't like cold play.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_02: I like yellow.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_02: I try it, I can try it.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yellow is the yellow is the song that I like.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm not a cold play guy either, but I like yellow.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_02: And it was all yellow.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: If if if you like it, that's fine.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: I personally think it's too whiny and bitchy for me.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, and there's our loud daily truck.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, amazing.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_02: All right, guys, best part of the show.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's time for the joke, isn't it?
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_02: Time for Bob Joke.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: Time for the dad joke.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I have a wonderful 2000s decade music-inspired dad joke today.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's funny or not, but here we go.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_00: Why did the iPod break up with the CD?
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_00: It said you just don't have the capacity for me anymore.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_02: Boy, if that don't sum it up next week.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see ya.