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With the trade deadline looming, Casey Mize shines · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: H and Welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part
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  Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tigers podcast. I'm Kieren
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  Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always is a couple of fellas
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  Speaker 1: that are walking heat waves. Cody Stavenhagen, Austin Jackson. What's up, guys?
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  Speaker 1: How are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Cute? I like that. I like that. I'm gonna use it.
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  Speaker 2: That's bars, bro, I like that. I like that. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get it going then if you're gonna get you on that.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, we haven't had a lot of good vibes
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  Speaker 3: this year. We're recording on the Monday night Tigers win
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  Speaker 3: in the Bronx. We at least for a few minutes here,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna have some good vibes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah that that that start was hot.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be honest, you know, like the Tigers, Like, you know, Austin,
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  Speaker 1: you're in Cleveland right now, But I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers were actually the Guardians and Tigers uniforms tonight
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  Speaker 1: at Yankee Stadium because all those things that I like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, jokingly like hate about the Guardians. That's like,
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  Speaker 1: how do they keep getting away with this? You know,
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  Speaker 1: just no real power and situational hitting, and like just
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  Speaker 1: of course the other team makes an error, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all these things that you almost feel like never happened
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  Speaker 1: to the Tiger, like happened for the Tigers tonight against
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees at Yankee Stadium of all places. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: seven to three, they were up seven to nothing early,
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  Speaker 1: Chase Ryan Weathers in the second ending, right, and like
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  Speaker 1: it was like this lineup. I'm gonna read this lineup
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  Speaker 1: for everybody just to kind of, you know, put it
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  Speaker 1: in perspective, because this was not a I would say
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  Speaker 1: this was not a reader's choice lineup when when it
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  Speaker 1: got released. Matt Verling leading off, Dylan Dingler, Kevin McGonagall.
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  Speaker 1: It's gotta be the first time he's hit three hole, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe one or two other times, torklsen Lee, Jami Jones,
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  Speaker 1: who obviously got pinch it for Kerry Carpenter pretty soon,
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  Speaker 1: Zach McKinstry, Ben Maljerry, and James Outman. I don't really
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  Speaker 1: think I saw a five spot, but in two innings
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  Speaker 1: on that lineup, Cody, what about you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's what happens when you get Riley
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  Speaker 3: Green a day off and we've seen why he had
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  Speaker 3: played in every game up to this point. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's great that Riley got a little day off, and yeah, man,
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  Speaker 3: you never know it's baseball yet. Bats seemed pretty good
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  Speaker 3: right out of the gate, if nothing else. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they ended up striking out nine times on the night,
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  Speaker 3: but there was a lot of contact. There was a
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  Speaker 3: lot of ball and play. Some of them were well struck.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them weren't all that well struck, but sometimes
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  Speaker 3: ball and play is your friend. They put a lot
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  Speaker 3: of pressure on the Yankees get Ryan Weathers out of
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  Speaker 3: the game. A really good night for the Tigers, and
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  Speaker 3: we haven't even talked about the best part of the night,
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  Speaker 3: which was which was Casey Mice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll get to him in a second. But
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  Speaker 1: I did want to make note that this has to
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  Speaker 1: be a record. I didn't go and look this up.
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  Speaker 1: It would take a while to look this up, but
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  Speaker 1: in the Hinch era, to have four left handed hitters
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  Speaker 1: get a hit off a lefty, So that was James Altman,
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  Speaker 1: Ken McGonagall carry Corporate during Zach mckinstory that it has
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  Speaker 1: to be some sort of modern Tigers record because you're
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  Speaker 1: just not getting that many at bats Leftyon left, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the Hinch era. So again, even McKinstry with the
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  Speaker 1: fifty four mile an hour, like you know, exit velocity basin,
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  Speaker 1: everything was working for them tonight. The only blemish obviously
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  Speaker 1: Drew Sims finally allowing you know, not really find the zone,
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  Speaker 1: allowing a home run there.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta give a couple of tips to the cap
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  Speaker 3: things I've been, you know, either skeptical of or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: One.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about how you lee?
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  Speaker 2: How do you lee?
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  Speaker 3: Continues to just do good things. Man, it's in three
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  Speaker 3: sixty with the five forty slug in the month of
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  Speaker 3: June again, like the babbit's probably a little a little
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  Speaker 3: too high to be sustained. You'd still like the walk
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  Speaker 3: rate to go up. All that good stuff. But student's
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  Speaker 3: out here just hitting the ball. He's using all fields now,
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  Speaker 3: he's making plays. We won't talk about that. Slide. Guy
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  Speaker 3: really deserves a lot of credit, like we are. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what he I'll be fascinated to see how
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about how you lee in two years. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what's going to look like, but we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: see a lot of kid And then carry carpenter left
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  Speaker 3: on left like everyone, you know, why do they pinch it?
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  Speaker 3: Why are they still pinching Jamai? You know, I've said
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  Speaker 3: one thing Karp has to do a little better, even
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  Speaker 3: against right handed pictures is control the strike zone. And
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  Speaker 3: when he has seen lefties throughout his career, he hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been very good. So, like it's a little tough to
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  Speaker 3: justify more left handed at bats. You'd like to at
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  Speaker 3: least see better signs. Tonight we saw some signs. It's
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  Speaker 3: a ball to the wall, It takes a walk and
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  Speaker 3: then drives one the opposite the opposite way. So really
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  Speaker 3: good night for Karp against left handed batters or left
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  Speaker 3: handed pitchers, more than we've seen from our boy Jami
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  Speaker 3: against left handed pitchers recently. So two tips of the
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  Speaker 3: cap there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he just needs to fill, like you gotta
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  Speaker 4: let him fail a little bit, you know, like you
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  Speaker 4: can't get too caught up in like just those numbers
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  Speaker 4: being that the tailltale sign of everything. I mean, lefties
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  Speaker 4: on lefties, Like they gonna have to fill a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: you know, right, he see right, he's a lot and
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  Speaker 4: they get the opportunity to fail because there's just more righties.
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  Speaker 2: But hey, man, you're just gonna have to get You're
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  Speaker 2: gonna give.
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  Speaker 4: Him the opportunity to fail because you know that eventually
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  Speaker 4: when he gets enough at bats, hey, he's gonna he's
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  Speaker 4: gonna he's gonna make the adjustment. I think he'll make
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  Speaker 4: the adjustment. And he has the opportunity to hit with power.
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  Speaker 4: So if he's able to, you know, get those opportunities
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  Speaker 4: to fail a little bit and just get his timing
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  Speaker 4: and get his rhythm and being able to see a
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  Speaker 4: lefty more often, Hey, I would take my chances with him,
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  Speaker 4: you know, probably more than I would take any with
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  Speaker 4: anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: So well, not only that, but especially in Yankee Stadium,
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  Speaker 1: which which I'm curious a Jax like, does it does
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  Speaker 1: does that outfield like feel as shrunk as it looks
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  Speaker 1: on TV? Like when you're when you're playing it, when
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  Speaker 1: either as a hitter or just like in the outfield,
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  Speaker 1: like it just it seems it seems kind of Little
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  Speaker 1: League when you're watching it on TV with without the
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  Speaker 1: walls seem I don't know, But when you're out in
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  Speaker 1: the field, how does it feel?
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  Speaker 4: No, it doesn't feel like that at all. Honestly, maybe
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  Speaker 4: down the lines a little bit, but when you when
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  Speaker 4: you take into factor like the gaps and center field
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  Speaker 4: and where like it's big.
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  Speaker 2: It's bigger than it looks.
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  Speaker 4: I know the lines and then you know what the
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  Speaker 4: dimensions say, but you know when you're out there, when
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  Speaker 4: you're in it, I don't know, there's something about it, man,
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  Speaker 4: where it feels bigger than what the numbers with the
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  Speaker 4: dimension say, especially the gaps, like it just feels huge.
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  Speaker 4: Like I've never had this impression of Yankee Stadium being small.
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  Speaker 4: I get it that you know, right field you can
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  Speaker 4: poke one out there.
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  Speaker 2: Left field, you know, you pull it down the line.
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  Speaker 4: I just never got that impression when I was playing there,
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  Speaker 4: and honestly, when I was hitting there, I never I
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  Speaker 4: never felt like it was small. And maybe it was
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  Speaker 4: because all the other things that you got to take
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  Speaker 4: in the factor, like when you look down the line
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  Speaker 4: you see the triple deck and you see you just
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  Speaker 4: see it's just more and maybe it plays a little
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  Speaker 4: you know, trick on the eyes as a hitter, and
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  Speaker 4: then you know when you're out there on defense, like
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  Speaker 4: I said, when you're out there in center field playing
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  Speaker 4: you know my position, mostly like it was just it
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  Speaker 4: was just it just felt bigger. And I think that
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  Speaker 4: just play, you know, it's more about how that stadium
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  Speaker 4: is built and when you're out there, you just when
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  Speaker 4: you're in it, it just feels it feels a lot
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  Speaker 4: bigger than what the dimensions say. And I and you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's there's rumors that those dimensions are a lot shorter.
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  Speaker 2: Than what they actually say. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Some people have hit it with a you know, with
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  Speaker 4: a with a gun out there. You know, we got
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  Speaker 4: a lot of golfriends out there and get on the
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  Speaker 4: gun and they're like, yo, I don't think as you know,
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  Speaker 4: but we'll be we'll be hushed us about that because
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know we're supposed to be talking about that.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, just you know, I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: But again to your to your point, Karen, like, no,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't feel like that.
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  Speaker 2: I do not.
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  Speaker 4: I never got that impression of like, man, this feels
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  Speaker 4: like a pop until somebody hits one right and then
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  Speaker 4: you realize like, oh that ball got out quicker than
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  Speaker 4: it would have in any other ballpark. But it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: feel like that though. I don't know why, and I
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  Speaker 4: think it's just because the gaps. The gaps was it's
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  Speaker 4: like three ninety nine left center, and I think it's
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  Speaker 4: like three eighty.
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  Speaker 2: Three eighty five or something right center. That's that's pretty deep.
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  Speaker 4: And then what I don't know, four hundred to center
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  Speaker 4: field that I mean, that's that's pretty that's that's deep.
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  Speaker 4: Like it feels. It feels a lot deeper than you
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  Speaker 4: have to really get one as variety the left center
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  Speaker 4: field to get one out. So it just never felt
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  Speaker 4: like a small ballpark to me until somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Here won the right obviously the right field. Then you realize, like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I get.
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  Speaker 3: It, it's really just the right field line that's the short.
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  Speaker 1: Actually backed up by numbers. It's back up by the
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  Speaker 1: numbers because Dan Dickerson pointed this out on the radio tonight,
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, the home runs are you know, like
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  Speaker 1: above average is a home run ballpark, you know down
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  Speaker 1: the lines for all the reasons we understand, but like
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  Speaker 1: run scoring is not like you would think those things
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  Speaker 1: would be directly related, but they're actually not. In the
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  Speaker 1: case of Yankee Stadium, I think it's like a very
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  Speaker 1: medium run scoring ballpark. For I'm sure the reasons that
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  Speaker 1: you late laid out there. So and that's another thing too,
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of the home run, we didn't see a Tiger's
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  Speaker 1: home run today. And I don't know if anybody caught
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  Speaker 1: this on the radio broadcast, but this is only I
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  Speaker 1: think the fifth game the Tigers have won this year
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  Speaker 1: without hitting a home run. You know, they're like five
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  Speaker 1: and whatever, twenty three, you know, I can't remember the
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  Speaker 1: exact numbers, and then they're like thirty one and twenty
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  Speaker 1: one or you know, don't do the math on that.
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  Speaker 1: That just get the gist of it there when they
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  Speaker 1: do hit a home run. So among the other kind
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  Speaker 1: of weird things about this game, if you will, the
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  Speaker 1: outlier stuff, that was one of them. All Right, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get to a quick break and then afterward we
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  Speaker 1: are going to get to the man of the hour,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to make note that Aj we talked
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  Speaker 1: about it last time, Cody, but AJ just met the
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  Speaker 1: Pope and he's doing ads for hangover cure. So I
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  Speaker 1: just think that's a cool thing. Uh, one of the
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  Speaker 1: one of the make note of that, all right, Casey Mice,
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  Speaker 1: Casey Mice. I mean, the weirdness and the uniqueness of
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  Speaker 1: this game probably pushed Casey Mice further back in this
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  Speaker 1: episode than really he deserved because he was excellent tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Seven innings what was it? One above the minimum ten k's.
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  Speaker 1: He gave up one hit. It was a double to
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  Speaker 1: uh to Spencer and did not advance past second base
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  Speaker 1: at Spencer, So uh, one of those. Another reminder. We
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  Speaker 1: talk a lot about like being repetitive, and it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Fromber thing and like you know all
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  Speaker 1: the Jack Flaherty all this stuff. Here's another repetitive, but
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  Speaker 1: in a better way. Casey Miies has been dealing this
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  Speaker 1: entire season and will probably end up being the victim
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  Speaker 1: reputationally of this like poor Tigers record, because he should
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  Speaker 1: be getting talked about a hell of a lot more
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  Speaker 1: with the way he's pitched this season, and that includes
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  Speaker 1: recovering from two il stints with the with the lower
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  Speaker 1: body there Cody, Casey is dealing.
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  Speaker 3: Casey Mayes was absolutely fantastic Monday Night. That goes without
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  Speaker 3: saying was it the best game of his career, like
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  Speaker 3: probably so, I think it was easily the most dominant.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he was just dialed in all night long.
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  Speaker 3: The splitter on some of the very best we have
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  Speaker 3: ever seen that pitch move. He had it consistently. He
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  Speaker 3: was commanding the fastball. These are things we've seen him
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  Speaker 3: do much of the year, and that's that's what's been
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  Speaker 3: the greatest thing, is how he's putting the gather outing
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  Speaker 3: after outing. Even Yeah, with kind of a broken season
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  Speaker 3: with the il Stins, this game was almost a microcosma
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  Speaker 3: of that. We almost didn't get to fully appreciate his
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  Speaker 3: dominance because the innings were so long when the Tigers
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  Speaker 3: were batting, between stringing together runs, between an injury delay,
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  Speaker 3: all those things. So Casey had to overcome that too.
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  Speaker 3: He was sitting in the dugout for a long time
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  Speaker 3: and then he would get right back out there and
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  Speaker 3: just absolutely shove. Yeah. I mean, he's been stellar this season.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how much we want to go into
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  Speaker 3: like trade deadline talk. If the Tigers do end up sellers,
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  Speaker 3: it'll be kind of fascinating to see what sort of
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  Speaker 3: return they maybe could get four Casey mines.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you also do got to remember like how
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  Speaker 4: you know the Yankee Stadium can like it can it
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  Speaker 4: can shock a lot of young players, right like it
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  Speaker 4: can that aura of that stadium and what that kind
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  Speaker 4: of creates for teams, even just like a pitcher, like
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  Speaker 4: you can create this like aura this like ah, like
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  Speaker 4: they kind of freeze up. It didn't do it that
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  Speaker 4: that that had no effect on him, and like and
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  Speaker 4: it was like.
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  Speaker 3: Really there before anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but but you know it's still still it doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 4: like it doesn't matter how many times you've been there,
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  Speaker 4: how many times you you know, like there is that
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  Speaker 4: when you step into that stadium. Man, like even if
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  Speaker 4: you've been there, like cause I've been there, I've been
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  Speaker 4: there where you step in there and it's like oh shoot,
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  Speaker 4: like I gotta remember where I'm at.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't affect him.
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  Speaker 4: That was like cool to see though, Like to see
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  Speaker 4: like that that confidence on the mound, like to see
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  Speaker 4: the conviction and in the pitches, to see like the
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  Speaker 4: confidence and and him execute pitches like him to mixing
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  Speaker 4: pitches in different counts like that was really cool to see,
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  Speaker 4: Like it it didn't affect him, and you know, I've
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  Speaker 4: seen that many and many of times to pictures, even
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  Speaker 4: veteran pictures where it looks like they they were affected
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  Speaker 4: by the moment, by by the yan key aura like
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna call it that by the yankee or where
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  Speaker 4: they like they were affected by the moment.
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  Speaker 2: And he did. He wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: He went in there, he pitched his butt off like
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  Speaker 4: he didn't care who was who he was facing, He
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  Speaker 4: didn't care what the count was.
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  Speaker 2: He threw the pitches that he wanted, He executed the
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  Speaker 2: pitches that he wanted, He put pitches where he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to in each and every count.
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  Speaker 4: It was it was cool to see and that's like
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  Speaker 4: the dominance that he's capable of, and he's a good
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  Speaker 4: one having that pitch in rotation, Like it's cool to
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  Speaker 4: see him be back and be healthy and be have
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  Speaker 4: that confidence again.
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  Speaker 1: And the arsenal was on full displays. As you said, Cody, again,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate this for a second, ten strikeout,
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  Speaker 1: zero walks. He you know, obviously you go seven innings
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  Speaker 1: only eighty eight pitches, like he was in control this
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  Speaker 1: entire game. And and to Ajax point, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: thought like like if you watch him and you didn't
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  Speaker 1: have the score bug on the TV, you would have thought,
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  Speaker 1: like it's a one nothing game, it's three to two,
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  Speaker 1: you know whatever. Like he he had an intensity about
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: him that definitely did not reflect being up five five
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: nothing that early game, seven nothing. Eventually the entire time
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: that he was out there, they're up, you know, like
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: big so Like that was one of the things that
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: really stood out to me. I really do believe we're
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: seeing a different level like was at his best outing.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know that that doesn't doesn't necessarily do anything
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: for me, but it does, like it does feel like
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: we're seeing a more complete, uh and dialed in version
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: of Casey Miiz that we haven't seen just because of
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: injuries and general inconsistencies with being an up and coming player,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: uh peaking at the right time or the wrong time,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: putting on your perspective.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: But he is.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: He is awesome. Like if I was Brian Cashman, I'd
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: be like, I don't know if I really wanted to
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: leave the Bronx, you know, like like.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: I don't want to see him though, I don't know
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: if I want to see this dude late and you
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: know when when his cross time, you know what I
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: mean that to me. That's how I look at it.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Like he wasn't scared, like he he grabbed him. He
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: grabbed him tonight and he grabbed both of them. It
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: was like, let's go.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, especially with the blowout piece of this. I know, Cody,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you touched on it, but like like the the long
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: sit downs and then again to maintain that intensity. Uh,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: it felt like any like you know, balls out of
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: hand were on purpose and the Yankees were still not
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: being able to pick it up, you know, and then
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: with the tight slider and and and all this stuff.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So like Casey mais you know, flowers to you hope.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he really could be like a fascinating trade piece
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: because he's a free agent for this year. Starting pitchers
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: are always in demand, so if we get there in
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: the Tigers sellers, that's going to be a thing. I
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: think the injury history could maybe give teams a little
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: bit of pause. It's also eligible for a qualifying offer
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: at the end of the year, so there's going to
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: be a pretty high bar for what the Tigers are
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: trying to get back in return the way he's paid
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: right now, Like could this could he met you? I
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: don't know, A fringe top one hundred prospect. I would
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: kind of think that's what I'd be asking for. You know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: it's not impossible Casey might is going to finish this
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: season with a lower e er than Derek Scuoble. He
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: doesn't quite have the presence, the aura that the can
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: like well recently he's had the consistent dominance, but the
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: track record of Schooble. But like there's a lots of
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: like the athletic you know, we had we had a
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: big board and they put him I think, is like
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: the seventh or eighth best starting pitcher available, and I
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: would disagree with that. I think he's got to be
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: in the top five if not, you know, if not
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: higher the way he's been pitching lately.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but you know, the trade stuff has to
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: kind of be like part of like on our mind
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: just because of you know, that's the reality of the situation.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: But on a day like today, it's hard to just
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: kind of get gung ho about maybe you get a
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: fringe one hundred top one hundred prospect for Casey Maiz
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: because this was as disappointing as the weekend was. The
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: blowing of the late leads, and of course the only
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: blemish was a bullpen, you know, runs given up by
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the bullpen tonight, like like as disappointing as the results were,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: one of the things that we talked about is like
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: you had the five get that you had a five
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to five home stand and you had a plus whatever
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: four or five run differential, and so like it kind
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: of clouded the fact that overall the Tigers had been
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: playing like good baseball. They just kind of been on
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the wrong end of some stuff, and I was on
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a day that they were on the right end of things.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And then the other piece of this being that the
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Tigers actually have the most wins in the American League
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: against teams above five hundred and not the best percentage,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: but they had the most wins. Today was the twentieth
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: win against the team above five hundred for the Tigers.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: The Rays have eighteen, I believe, his second most wins,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and the Rangers have a better a slightly better percentage.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: All I have to say, I don't know what to
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: do with this team, how to think what's the right approach.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: All I know is that I want to take as
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: long as I can and to figure out what I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: have here before making any decisions, which makes any trade
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: talks premature because again there's enough there to think, I mean,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: what if what if I don't know.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: What if what they?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: What if they what if they can win some damn games?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Hey jacks? What if they can win some damn games?
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: But they go they need to win some games and
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: that that's the the you know, bottom line is they
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: need to win some games, and they need to win
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: multiple of games.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: They don't need to just string together a few games.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: I need to have this consistency of games that they're winning,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: you know, like they can't have these these little hot
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: streaks and you know, and then go on these colde streaks.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: They got to get hot.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: They got to get hot, and they need to get
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: hot quick, and they need to you know, establish themselves
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: as the dominant team in this division because if not,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: then they're just gonna be of riding this little, this
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: little wave.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: You know that they are.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: It's like you see them as you know what they're
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: capable of, but they just haven't like quite like shown
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: it yet. And whether it's just injuries and you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: just getting everybody healthy again, Schoobo just being like he's
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: coming back, is he is he healthy?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Is he not healthy.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they trading them or they not
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: trade them. Who knows who. We don't know what's going
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: on with that. But like they just need to they
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: need to prove that they're the dominant team. And it's
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: and all that's gonna come down to is winning games.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: There's nothing else. You know, we can talk about all
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: these other things, whether they're gonna trade people or not.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Who are they gonna be? Are you gonna be the
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: team that's gonna be the you know, the dominant team
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: in this division? And you know, make this unreal comeback.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: We we don't know. Only time can tell with that.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: But are they gonna be sellers? Are they gonna you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: what are they gonna do? They're gonna have to They're
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: gonna have to show their face here in a minute
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: because the rest of the division is not They're they're
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: not worried about what the Tigers are doing right now,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: you know, they're they're stead of playing there instead of
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: winning games, Like the Tiger's gonna have to come with it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: They're gonna start winning some games. They're gonna just start.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Winning some series. You ain't gonna win every single game,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: but hey, you're gonna start have to win some series.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: You're gonna start coming. You're gonna start being consistent with wins.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: You know, you can't have these these little streaks of
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: winning and then have all these these streaks of losing.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta be consistent with the with the winning.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: And that's just what it is. There's no there's no
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: magical thing to to make it, you know, to make
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: it happen. It's just it is what it is. It's
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: gotta happen, Gotta win games.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Gotta hope it just started. Gotta hope it started Monday night.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: You're about to see Cam Schlittler on Tuesday, which I'm
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: really excited for that game. Slitler Ver scooball. But you
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: want to prove this is for real. You want to
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: prove you have something in the tank. Maybe go hit
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: the best picture in the American League right now and
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: start making a case for yourself. We've talked about it
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: that Nazi, but like it has to start tonight, it
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: has to start yesterday. It probably should have started before now.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have nothing else to add on that. You
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: guys are hundre percent right. All right, we are going
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to take a quick break, and then afterward we're gonna
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: talk to Ajax about the key to keeping the body
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: fresh throughout the year, because that's a theme with McGonagall.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And then we finally got an off day for Riley,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: so scene's pretty relevant. So that and more after this break.
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here. You know, one of the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: themes for much of the season, especially with that pitiful
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: May that the Tigers had, is that like, look, you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: have Dylan Dingler, who's a stud best catcher in baseball,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and you want to, you know, give him off days,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: give him some rest days, but you just can't afford
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to have his baton on the lineup. Riley Green, he
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: just can't afford to not have his bat in the lineup.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: He finally got a rest day on Monday. And then
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Kevin McGonagall like, you don't want this rookie wall to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: be to be a thing when you're really gotta win
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: some games. As we just discussed so uh so Ajax,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Like what is the key to body maintenance? Like you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the heat wave is coming across the United States right now,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Like what's the key to body maintenance and staying fresh
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and all those things to you know, get you through
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the rigors of one hundred and sixty two, you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: plus whatever else you know might come after that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you got to use the resources that
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: are available to you, the team resources, right, like your trainers,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: you have physical therapists, you have strength trainers, you.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Have mental coaches.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: You have to use all of the resources that are
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: available to you. You know, I certainly use those and
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: that's that's the key to keeping the body fresh.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: You have to use your strength, your strength coach. You
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: got to make sure that your you know, your strength
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: is you're keeping your strength up throughout the one hundred
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: and sixty two games.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: That's tough.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: You know, you do all this work in the off season,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: but the body breaks down. The body breaks down, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: you know, you need the proper strength training to keep
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: the strength up throughout the season. You need the nutritionists
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: to make sure you're getting the right the proper foods
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: in you to have the energy and all that thing
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: and a lot of that stuff like it's available. You
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: just have to use it. You know, you have to
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: make sure you're using it. Sometimes you get so caught
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: up in the daily riggers, the daily like, Okay, what
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: do I need to go in here and study and
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: work on my swing and do that. But there's there's
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: so much other things other than that that you have
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: to focus on.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: But we forget. We forget about it.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Honestly, we forget that we need to take the time
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: to focus on our body. Are stretching, man, I wish
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I would have focused on my just stretching. Dudes are
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: doing pilates and things like that, and I was like, eh, pilates.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I got Chris Sell pitching. I need to figure out
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: how to hit his slider like that can stretch for
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: what stretch? I can't even hit?
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: You know, Like, ain't nobody worried about my my flexibility
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: when I can't hit a slider, you know, coming from
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: a left most.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Be able to hit a left east. So I need
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: to focus on getting the left efore I be at home.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But no, it's it's serious.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: It's just just so much that guys have to focus
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: on and that we have to you know, we have
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: to did we realize that we did? We have to
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: have throughout the you know, the stretch of one hundred
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: and sixty two games. So it's a lot like we
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: can really get into it, but you just, you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: the main thing is guys using the resources each and
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: every day because this is.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Daily you know, the game of baseball is daily.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: So it's not just like oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: do this, you know, one day and not doing it
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: the next day. And that's one thing that I wish
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: I would have really honed into, is like the daily
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: routine of doing these things, Like it's not just one
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: day and then taking a few days off. It's it's
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: literally daily for the for the entire for the entirety
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: of the season. It's it's the the nutrition, is the
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: lifting and the strength, it's the physical therapy, it's the
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: mental coaching.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: It's it's all of it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: So that's what it really takes to to be able
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: to compete at that level.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Is it's. It's it's all of it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: You know, it's really you know, you see you hear
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: about guys like Lebron like spending a lot of money
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: on their bodies, like that's where they're able to play
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: that long. You know, it sounds crazy, but like you know,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: you got to do it. You have to do these
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: things daily. It's it has to become a routine. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: so to your point herean like or to answer your question, like,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: it's it's it's all of it. It's nauseum it's it's
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: it's you get tired of it, you know, And I
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: got tired of it at the end of my career
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: where I was like, dude, like this is like I'm
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I'm going in early to get swelling out of my knee.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: After the game, I'm going in and doing things to
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: get swelling out of my knee. It's a lot that
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: people don't see on a daily basis that you have
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: to do to stay out on the field and perform
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: at a high level. So you know, it's it's just
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: it's a routine. It's a routine that people don't see, Kieran.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: It's just the before the game and after the game,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: and even when you're at the field, there's there's certain.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Things that you have to do.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: And these are things I'm talking about Karan that that's
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: not like the baseball stuff. This is things to keep
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: the body and ready, right Like, these are things to
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: keep the body ready to be able to go out
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: there and perform. So the things that people don't see,
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: and like I said, I can get on it. It's
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: it's a whole list of things. But the things I mentioned, man,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: is these are things that you have to do to
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: be prepared for one hundred and sixty two games, because
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: you're not just preparing for these regular season games like
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: a team like the Tigers, they're preparing.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Themselves for a postseason.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: That's the capability that they have is to be playing
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: postseason games.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: That's what they expect.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: So these things have to be done to be able
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: to play postseason baseball.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I wrote about Riley Green a while back, but he's
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: been like the poster Tyler for all of this.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: He was talking first couple of years in the big
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: league just kind of did whatever, just his thing, show
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and go. Wasn't rolling out on the foam roller, which
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: now he does every single day, you know, And it
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: wasn't always like being ir responded. Was like he would
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: get home, he'd get in bed, and then he'd scroll
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: in his phone for a couple hours. All right, most
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: of us probably do that, right, And then he realized, oh,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I was up until three am scrolling on my phone.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: If I want to play every single day, stay healthy,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: put the phone down, just go to bed man. And
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: those are things he kind of learned the hard way.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: And now look at him. He's played in all but
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: one game. He's you know, some people close to him
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: told him like, dude, just spin whatever you have to
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: spin to take care of your body. You're probably gonna
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: make that back in.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: The long run.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: So he got some like expensive like heating cooling bed
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: system that I googled, and now I'm getting spammed with
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: ads for this thing I definitely cannot afford, and I
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: would not make that back.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: On the end.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: So maybe maybe a little better sleep, I'd become unstoppable.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: But it's it's good. It's a reminder, like, that's good perspective, Austin,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: because I think it's really hard for anyone who hasn't
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: done it, like myself included, sometimes easy to forget just
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: how hard it is to post everything. I was thinking today,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Tigers just had a ten game homestand you know, I
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: didn't have to play in the games, but I was
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: at all of them ten days a row. It gets
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: kind of hard. I felt terrible today. I was like,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: what if I had to play a game in Yankee
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Stadium under the lights, under the pressure. That would suck.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: But that's what these guys go through all the time.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: It's tough.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Hey, Cody, let me tell you this is how naive
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: I was, though, Like I didn't even know that other
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: players were doing this, like until I probably got five
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: or six years into the league. Like I'm doing what
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: you're what you're saying, Like I'm going home, I'm on
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: the game. I'm chilling like I was young too, don't
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: get me wrong. Like I bounced back like none of
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: the Like I didn't necessarily I'm not going to say
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I necessarily didn't need it, but I just bounced back
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: really quickly, you know. But until I got to Chicago
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: the Cubs, and you know Dexter Fowler, Like I went
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: to his room one night and he you know, I
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: go in and I see this big old white tube
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: in the corner, you know, like and I'm like, what
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: is going on with that? And He's like, oh, that's
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: my hyperbaric chamber. And mind you, mind you. We're on
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: the road, okay, this is the thing. We're on the road, Like, bro,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: what is that? Like I are some of them hyperbaric
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: chamber But anyways, and I'm like, no, no, no, hold up,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: the time out you get in.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: The tea, what is that in the corner? This hyper chairman?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: It helps me recover? It helps you? What?
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah me and you are done? I need to get
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: in that thing because I can barely walk. What do
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: you what do you talk? So but but it's the
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: the fact of the matter. Our guys are doing this,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: and Dextra Fowler had a long career, he had a long,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: you know, successful career. And then you think about it,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: You're like, man, these guys are doing things like this
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: to help them recover. You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: it's it's a big it's a difference. It's his difference
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: in the way that you're able to perform each and
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: every day a freaking hyperbaric chamber on the road, dude,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: you know, on the road.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I feel sorry for the clubb who had to pack
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: that thing up all the time.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Oh man, I don't know what to tell you. I
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: throw you a couple of extra hunts. You're fine, chamber,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: You're good, You're fine. You're gonna eat well, you're gonna
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: eat the Niceta tonight.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: So well, how much of this is like how much
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: of this is now like coached, and how much of
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: this is like individ like self starting, you know, for
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: for each individual player. So he laid out the Riley
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: green stuff. I'm sure he was told, you know, like, hey,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: this is like, you know, something you ought to be
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and you know that. Unfortunately, the Tigers were in the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: news with Wetzel Paraz like he was doing a post
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: game stretch routine and you know, got you know, hit
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: him something the eye with the rubber band, But that
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: was him doing stuff for his body right to uh
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you know, to make sure that he could handle the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: rigors of a season. And so uh So that's one
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of the things that I I guess, like if I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: were to think what separates like good organizations from not
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: as serious organizations as how much of these guys are
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: kind of being told they have to do this, you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: to a certain extent. They're all grown men. They can
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: they got they can do whatever the hell they want,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: right and how much of this is all self starting,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So like that that's something
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about. Don't know if either one of you
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: kind of could shed some light on that, but that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that probably dictates a lot of this. I would say.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: From my perspective, I feel like, you know, the clubhouse,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: we we kind of let each other know that you know, hey,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: this is what I'm doing to help you know, recovery.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Hey, like you and you know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Your boys that are struggling with injuries or anything, like
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: we talk about those type of.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Things in the locker room, like man, you know, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: you know you know so and So's you know, elbowed.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: You know, the arm is hanging or you know, having
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: knee or you know, whatever type of injuries or you know,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: things that come up throughout one hundred and sixty two games.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: You know that you know that about your boy over there,
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: and you do whatever you can to help. But if
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: you don't know, you don't know. And again I didn't know.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: You know, I knew what I knew as far as
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: you know, the resource that I had. The more I
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: kept planning, the more players that I got around that
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: you know, whether you know, just had different things or whatever,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: you know, I started to figure out that there's there's
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: more things out there to help with recovery, there's more
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: things to help with prepping for for a game.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: And you know those things.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: You talk about, you talk, you talk amongst yourselves in
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: the locker room, and it, you know, because we're all
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: trying to help each other at the same time, and we're.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Trying to win.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: We're trying to win, you know, we all have the
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: same goal right in mind. So we're all trying to
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: help each other, and we don't want to see one
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: of our fellow teammates, you know, struggle with injury.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: If we know we can help, so we we we
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: help with those type of things. And I jump right
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: on up in that that hyperberry chamber. I jump right
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: on up in there. It got me a little quick
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: thirty forty five minutes. You know, did I feel it?
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I mean I say this stuff is probably
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: only gone through the roof in the few years since
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: you've been done playing, right, Like team the Tigers a
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: few years ago, put a ton of time, hired some
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: new people, redid the facilities, so more of this is
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: just available in house. You have guys, you know, you
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: have their agents recommending things. They have trainers back home
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: recommending things. Certainly talking amongst teammates, there's some dudes who
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: just do weird stuff, right, There's some dudes who get
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: probably way too into it, and they're doing stuff that
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: is probably completely like junk science. So I've seen some
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: weird things. But it's like probably twenty eight major league
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: teams now invest heavily in this and almost anyone who's
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: like trying to have a long career is taking this
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: stuff really seriously. Unfortunately, that means players aren't going out
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: and having fun and partying on the road as much.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: That's what we're losing in all this.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Tonight after part of routine or whatever, he earned it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: He earned it, you know. All right, There's a lot
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: of other stuff we could get into, but we're coming
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: up on forty minutes here. Is there anything you guys
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: felt strongly wanting to talk about or you think that's
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: a that's a good episode. I feel good about this episode.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: This was fun.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes Austin brings heat at the end
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: of the episode. You got anything?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Heat? Wait the whole time, man, go.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Hey, listen, you gotta give me some if you give
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: me something and you want me to cook on it now.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: But if all right, here here's one. All right, all right,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: all right, all right, we got it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Here's a few more minutes.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Here, yeah, okay, so here here's something, Ajax. The Tigers
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: need to hire you as a slide coach because as
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: as a lot of great things happened today, but how
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you lead kind of had his arm behind him as
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: he went into second base head first. That could have
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: been scary. Obviously, you know he was he was okay.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And then even Kevin mcgonagall's sliding headfirst in the home
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: kind of did one of those you know, head bounce
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: off the off the dirt a little that it looked
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: like he took took a second to to get his bearing.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So uh like, I think, I think, I think, I
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: think your services would be needed to proper slide technique.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: And and I don't know were you were you ahead first,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: feet first? Did it matter? What was your preference?
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: I was a I was a feed first dude. Yeah,
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: I went head first a couple of times. But I
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: don't know, man, Like, it's it's a it's in the
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: moment type thing, right, it's in the moment type thing.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I'm always gonna.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Lean more towards the fee first because I just got
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: way more protection. Like if I'm sliding, uh, you know
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: into a base or into a base where there's another
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: you know, the opposing uh player there. You know, if
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: I'm sliding feet first, like my cleats are there and
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: I you know, you gotta make a business decision do
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: you want to stay there? Well, my cleats coming in there,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: I'm not. It's not about being dirty. It's about I'm come.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: You are close to the object that I'm trying to
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: slide into, and if you're in the way, you might
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: you click, might catch some skin and take some skin off.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: That's not my that's not my objective. But my objective
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: is the bag and you you in the way. So No,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: I was always a feet first dude. I slid head
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: first at times when I felt like when I was
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: especially when I was running the second and I felt
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: like I needed to, like I felt like, uh, slider
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: feet first, and my my feet, my my steps were
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: off right, and it was gonna have to cause me
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: to like do it like an extra step. Then I
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: would just dive head first. And but when I talk
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: about when I dive head first, it was like a
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: football tackle slide. It was like every it was like
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: a bloll like I didn't even see nothing. It was
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: just like I'm trying to knock if you catch the ball,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to not ball glove everything out of the way.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: But it's dangerous. It's dangerous.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: It's a very dangerous like slide, and it's a risk
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: you gotta take.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: But I felt comfortable with my body and knowing like
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: my body control. A lot of guys do this and
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I see it and I'm just like, man, like there's
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: no body control like you you're just you're just going
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and there's like you're you're flelling and I don't know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: you need to do some some core. You know, you
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: gotta be you gotta be Cody, don't laugh at it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: I'm being serious, man, you gotta have body control like
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: I'm and this is this is a real thing.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I'm being serious.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Draw I know, joking, but like, you gotta have body
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: control with these things, man. And I don't know if
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: it's taught or if it's worked on enough, Like you
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: don't who nobody works on this. I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: be honest with We don't work on this during the season.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: We don't work on sliding because it's too dangerous and
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: there's a risk of you know, as of getting hurt. Right,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: But it's a real thing. Like you're going into you know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: you're you're going into a position to where there's there's
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: an opportunity for you to get hurt. You're going in
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: fingers first, you know, you know you hit that bat that.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, I know they got the mits and all
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: the other myths. I didn't have that when we played.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I you know, Raj might have been the only dude
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: to had the oven mit. He's like, what is that?
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: G get that up out of here. But no, Like,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: it's just so many things that can go wrong risk
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: all of this. But it's about having body control. I'm
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: gonna just be honest with you, and everybody doesn't have it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: You you know, you can hire me, but I can't
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: teach you body control. You got to be able to
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: have that, brother, Like you got to come in the
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: gym with me. I can show you. I can get
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: you right, you know what I mean, Like I'm thirty nine,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I still got it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: No but feet no, but but hearing no. But seriously,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: I went feet first. I was a feed first guy,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: and I believe in that just because there's you know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: head first. Man, too many things can go wrong thout
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: a season, you know what I mean, Like, there's just
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: too many things can go wrong. First, I felt I
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: have more control over the outcome. Uh head first, I
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: felt like, man, I could There's there's too much opportunity
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: for me to to jam a finger, a wrist, you know,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: a head injury, collar bone, any of that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: So I was always a fee first dude, for real.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: I remember a couple of springs ago, MLB made a
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: big deal fielders weren't going to be allowed to block
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: bases anymore, and they called it really strictly in spring
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: training and a little bit at the start of the year.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: There's the lost time anybody saw that called they've stopped
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: doing it. Fielders are back to blocking bases. So maybe
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: it's time guys start going likes first, put them clean.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Nothing happening from it. But but McGonagall, you know, sliding
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the second on it. It was a single that he
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: you know, he gets uh, you know, gets a second
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: base on the throw like as like falls on him,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because they're both kind of
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: at the same point and that you know, and luckily
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: in that instance Jazz or Kevin we're heard. Obviously Jazz
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: got hurt later in the game. But that's another example
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: that was that, you know, fairly routine play. Nothing happened,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: but like, you know, they're on like top of each other, nack,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you know, arms, fingers like all those things you said.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: But you're rolling over on me.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: You're still rolling, you know what I mean, Like you're
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: rolling over back and leg and ankles and you know
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: what I mean. Like it's just a lot. It's just
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: a lot that can they can happen. And I just
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: think that you gotta go old school man. You got
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: to prove a point. You gotta go in there and
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: blow somebody up. And I know that sounds crazy, it
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: sounds bad, like it's I'm not trying to hurt somebody,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: but I'm trying to prove a point, like, look, you
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: need to get in the position to fill the baseball.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: If the baseball is not in the position, then it's
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: going to the outfield because I'm coming.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: And that's they're.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: About to start seeing it. We're about to start seeing
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: it field. There's keep king bases and them players don't
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: call it. Keep an eye on this. It's about to
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: start happening.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: For that's the formula, right.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Cody, I'm coming. If you reach over in this, it's
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: I'm coming straight there. I'm not trying to I'm not
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: coming over into your lane, right, but I'm coming straight.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: And if the ball starts going and you decide to go, I'm.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Coming in with my cleats. You have to understand that
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: as a as a as a fielder, like I got
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: to make a business decision. Do I want to take cleats?
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Or is that ball going to the outfield? I need
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: my center.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Fielder needs to be backing up anyways.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Right, don't my center fielder need to be backing up anyways?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: What? Why the hell am I getting I ain't about
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: to get spiked. No, you need to be backing up.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Everybody got jobs out here.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: We good, all right on that. That's a that's a
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: good That's a good way to wrap it up there.
• 45:57
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• 46:09
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• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Everybody have a great day.