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S3 E25: Fumbling The Bag · Nickel City Crew Podcast

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Fifteen de crazy. You can see you breath out in the look effect,
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Yard. We're so glad that you're joining us for some of your Buffalo Bills
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and NFL content Again to day and as always, these are my bills thoughts
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set out loud Vibe, So ridiculous, two story with six show, I
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canet Where's what you want to be? All right, let's get straight to
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it. I'm excited about tonight's episode for different reasons. It's been an up
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and down season obviously, to say the least, and some of these episodes
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We've said it in the past, are just kind of therapeutic for me.
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They are important for me to kind of get some of my bills thoughts off
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of my chest. You consume all of the radio or Twitter or whatever the
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case may be throughout the week after a loss like we had on Sunday,
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and it sometimes can get a little bit depressing. So I use these as
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a vehicle to kind of get some stuff off my chest and hopefully feel a
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little bit better about my team at the end of it, or at the
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very least get some stuff unloaded off of me that I need to unload.
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So I needed tonight joining me as always my co host Adam Dump Truck Upstick
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Riding Shotgun. Check them out on Instagram at Adam repsick. Are you pete
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c is e y k DT. I just paid the clerk at the front
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desk. I gave him my dues. I need to sit on the couch,
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man, I need you tonight. I need to get back on the
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couch. I know that you're sick of be coming for these therapy sessions,
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but I need to get back on the couch. DT. What in what
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in the ham sandwich? As my father would say, recipes is going on
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without buffalo bills? Uh? Five and four? Man? What's going on?
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Holler at the crew, DT, what's up Nickel City, and damn
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a Nickel five. That's the only we only got five wins at this point
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in the year. That's not what we're anticipating, not with anybody who's anticipating,
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obviously, And that's the point of the show, that's the point of
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the crew. We're real, we lay it down. I'll do my best
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to get you back tonight. But you know, the office is a little
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dark. You come in and she's supposed to be positive, and hey,
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yeah, man's it's a little dark on this end too. But you know,
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I think we'll be back by the end of the show and you know,
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getting ready prepared for Monday night football coming up. But let's rock and
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roll five and four now where we want to be dark, dark weather,
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dark vibes. Yeah, jades of the clocks back. It's getting darker earlier
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that night as well. So you're absolutely right with that theme. You know,
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it's crazy DT. Nine games in, you know, halfway basically through
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the season five and four, like you said, not what we expected.
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And it's funny because you know, I just started to get you know,
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in my own head a little bit, and I'm ready to dish out some
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blame. It's been about a season now worth of games DT. If we
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date this back to last year and we can archive it and go back like
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it's been like the second half of last year, right around Green Bay and
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the bye week last year, and it was something that we couldn't get our
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finger on, but we we noticed it right here at Nicchol City Crew and
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we talked about the fact that this offense was struggling. Not a lot of
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easy buttons, not a lot of leg up lines. We've talked about all
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of those different types of things, and now DT, I'm wondering about who
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is to blame, and I'm ready to dish out some blame. And I'll
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be honest, I'm not necessarily calling for heads and people to be fired.
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I've heard all, you know, all the different arguments two and four,
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some of those things to have in, some of those changes to be made.
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I'm really just at a point now where I want to know who to
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be mad at, and I know it. You know, some people say
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door Sye, and some people say his you know, his scheme in general.
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Some people say McDermott, and I know the people there's plenty of people
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that don't like McDermott and stuff like that, Like I know, but like
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I don't know honestly who to blame DT, because it's almost like an echo
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chamber. And I know, you know, Sacapachi had said something about like
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fans short for fanatic, and you know he's correct, Like I am a
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fanatic, and I don't I don't run from that or anything like that.
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I'm gonna sze the ticket holder just like you are. And I'm a made
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man in the mafia just like you are. But like I've paid my dues,
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like I want a championship, and and really at this point, nothing
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below that is really satisfactory. So because of that, my my senses are
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heightened, so to speak, DT, and I'm looking for who to blame,
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and that is really my only thing that I want to get out of
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this is I want to know where to look and who to be upset with,
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because I'm really upset with the inconsistency of the offense. Now for almost
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a full season of games on this offense has been really really up and down.
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To be honest, well, I think it's okay to be not sure
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who to blame, but you know, have it filtered down right, And
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I think as a crew and and you and me, I think we do
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have it filtered down and can really only be a select group of people.
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Right, You've got you got you know, we'll we'll start from the top
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down. You got Terry up top, you know, calling the shots.
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And we've been critical of is he okay with just being okay? You've been
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through that transfers down to Sean McDermott, who's build a culture, build a
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winning culture, hasn't been able to get us over the hump. And and
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you know we're more critical than anybody on Sean McDermott Ken Dorsey, which I'm
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half and half in on. And we'll get into that tonight. And then
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one seven, I mean, you've got that's the four in the in the
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blame party. I don't really see how you can blame anybody else. You
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can blame eyes for not making plays, you can blame you know, some
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other things to happen, but for like you said, a whole season's worth
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of kind of sputtering. It's it's got to be one of those four.
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Right, So you know I would say I'm away from seventeen. I'm not
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putting you know a fanboy on him. You paid it, but but that's
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what the big butt robb you pay three hundred million dollars on. Maybe there
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is some other structural things. There's you know, they're not getting the right
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plays and the guys aren't executing. There's a lot of things that can be
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happening. Well, at three hundred million dollars franchise quarterback, you got to
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find a way to will yourself into some wins. And that's what all the
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great greats have ever done. You know, they haven't always had the best
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team, not the great coaching staff, not you know, Belichick and Brady
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was an anomaly that the football world will never see again. With the coach
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that was perfect, to the to the player that was perfect, and they
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worked perfect together. You're probably not going to see that again the rest of
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you know, NFL history. So Josh has to be you know, we
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paid him the money. I believe in him to be the guy to come
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in and will us some wins those games that you know, we're very winnable
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down the stretch, the Jets game to start the the you know, the
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obviously, the Patriots game, the Jaffa, you know, and even even
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Sunday night. You got to find a way to get a few touchdowns and
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will your team to victory when the going does get rough and get those wins.
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Because the good teams do it. Pat Mahomes does it. They always
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find a way to get wins down the stretch. And it's not always gonna
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be easy, it's not always gonna be great, but you gotta find a
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way, especially when you're getting pad three hundred million dollars. Ken Dorsey,
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I'd say off of him as much as because just as much as we you
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know, with Leslie Fraser in thirteen seconds, Johann McDermott, will you got
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to be the guy to step up. If if it's Ken Dorsey just making
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all these play calls and it's not working, then Sean McDermott's got to step
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in and step up. So I'm getting off of Ken Dorsey in the fact
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that he might be under the thumb as well. We've talked about that a
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few times, and you know, he might just be a puppet to what
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envisioned by Sean McDermott. Sean McDermott, I think, you know, would
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be the majority of my blame with all this, and I hate to keep
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going back to him. But when you when you narrow it down and break
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it off, that's that's you know, if I'm playing the game of clue,
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he's the most suspect one right now because the others have have suspicion.
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But I can argue my way out of that. Okay, is tough to
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argue out of it if you will. And now it's interesting that you started
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that, and it kind of gave us that little flow chart and that and
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that's that. Now I really do feel like I'm on a couch and I'm
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getting some homework and I've got my little pad out and I'm doing my homework.
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If we go on the on the chart reverse, you know, starting
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with Josh. You know, I've heard rumblings from you know, I guess
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that Eric Turner and there's some other guys cover one that are talking about how
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listen, Josh is throwing, is turning down throws, He's throwing, turning
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down opportunities and different things like that. They've checked the all twenty two on
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this last game Sunday night, and that's not okay with me. I'm wondering
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why it's happening, and I'm trying to get to the root of it?
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Is it because of the scheme, Is it because there are options out there
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that he doesn't like, or whatever the case may be. I saw all
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twenty two on the Deontay Hardy pick excuse me a couple weeks ago the Deep
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Pass excuse me on Sunday Night that I mean, Gabe Davis's wide open,
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you know underneath, and you know Josh is kind of going for the gutso
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on that particular play. So I don't know why Josh is throwing at turning
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down throws and opportunities to kind of move the chains, or if it's all
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on him, or like I said, if it's something schematically as you go
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up that flow chart, Dorsey, he's getting a lot of blame, and
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rightfully so in my eyes, because it's your job to make sure that Josh
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feels comfortable making those those throws and making sure that he's pulling the trigger when
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you yeah, because part of what made you know Dable's so good is you
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know, I know, you know x's and o's and scheme was great and
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sometimes trick plays and it's you know, he you know, schemed up a
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very attacking style offense, and he got a lot of credit for that,
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and I've give him credit for that, but one of his best features was
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getting in Josh's head and making Josh understand what the play was designed to do
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and what we're looking for now. I've heard multiple people throughout the week that
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says that Dave was more game plan specific for each opponent each week, and
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Dorsey, it looks like, is a little bit just more cookie cutter.
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They're giving us zone cover two, we're gonna do this, and then if
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they're giving us man, you know, we're gonna do this and that type
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of thing, and the creativity is kind of lacking. So I've got to
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lay something at his feet on that one because I hear too many people saying
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it. But sometimes it's crazy because before I get to mc dermott DT,
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you hear so many different opinions of what's wrong, what's going wrong that it
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almost becomes an echo chamber where I don't know what to believe half the time.
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And I think that that's part of my frustration. I know that it
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is is because I know it's the offense. I know that that's the problem.
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I don't lay much at the defensive feet Twenty one to seven should not
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be a death sentence in a football game with this kind of offense and this
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kind of talent. And I just don't like the fact that they stopped,
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you know, Cincinnati for seven straight possessions and we didn't make up any ground,
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and that's not acceptable. The points are not coming. It dates back
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to last year, as we said earlier, and I'm just wondering who to
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blame because if it is McDermott, like we talked about a couple weeks ago,
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and he's got his handprints on the offense and this complimentary football shit that
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I keep hearing that, I mean, he said it again this week.
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It's like nails on the chalkboard when I hear it, because complimentary football,
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to me does not mean, you know, fifty to fifty pass run splits,
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does not mean that the defense is on the field just as much as
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the offense for time. I don't give a shit about any of that.
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I care about points. At the end of the day. We're not scoring
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enough of them, and we're getting ready to be dangerously close DT where We've
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got two games coming up at home. We'll get into Denver soon. We
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got a special guest on tonight and then we'll get into the next game after
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that for the Jets, but we got to be at seven to four TT
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because pretty soon we're going to be really of shit's creek because of the fact
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that we've got so many teams in this crowded AFC that have records similar to
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ours or better that you don't want to be in a situation where you're five
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hundred or you're seven and six or something like that, and you're looking at
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all these other teams and all of a sudden, you're trying to fight for
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tie records that we don't have since we already have four conference losses. I
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think we're getting really really close and we're skaping on something nice. I want
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to see them figure it out. And I just I don't know who to
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lay this at. Man, I really don't. You really hate to be
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in a must win situation, a literal must win situation before you put the
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Thanksgiving turkey in the oven. You know that is not ideal as an organization,
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as a team. This is what we lived with, you know,
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for for the whole drout. You know, you you catch, you know,
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six losses before Thanksgiving, you might as well call it, right.
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So this is these two are guaranteed must wins. I mean, it's no
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no finding moment of it. You know, you get to to bang bang,
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you got win. If if you get the must wins, then you
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go to seven and four going into some meat, you know, Eagles by
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Chiefs, Cowboys, Chargers. Yeah. Yeah, and then you gotta go
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to you gotta go too and four in that stretch. Yeah, yeah,
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you gotta go too and four in that stretch to end Patriots Dolphins. That
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Dolphins game could before the division Week K team. You know, that would
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be our best case scenario if it was to be honest, you know,
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having that game for the division in Week K team, because they're you're gonna
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have to knock on Dolphins taking some else. But they've already played the Eagles,
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They've already played the Chiefs, you know, so there there's there's some
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other things going into that. But you know, ten and ten and seven,
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I don't know. I say, you're you're you're sliding in and they
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don't have the ball out of the outfield yet, But ten and six that
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the catcher's got the ball, it's just a matter if he tags you're or
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not. Yeah, yeah, No, ten and six ten and seven is
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gonna be You're gonna be up against it for sure. And again those four
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conference losses again, which is why it's so massive and so disappointing that we
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dropped those games again. The Jets game, you'd love to have that back.
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You'd love to have the Patriots game back. Looking at the schedule and
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the way it has gone so far as we continue to transition, you know,
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it's it's funny because before we get on to Denver. It's funny because
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I was thinking a lot about, you know, the splits and and you
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know, I know that people are gonna talk about e p A and points
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per game and all this other stuff. And I know Gary last week came
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on and shout out to him joining us last week, and he's like,
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people, you know, if we lose that game, people are not gonna
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want to hear about stats. And like, he was absolutely right, because
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I don't give a shit about the EPA or anything in the yards per play,
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and it stills look looks like we're still doing great and we're in great
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shape and stuff like that. I'm not buying it because of the fact of
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how long this offense has been so inconsistent I'm wondering, is it just a
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situation where we need to just kind of go pass heavy DT, Like,
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does does Dorsey need to lean into Dabe's philosophy even more. I remember a
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game once upon a time during the good old days, where I mean Davel
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came out in like pass like seventeenth straight times. I think it was to
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start the game against I think it was Indye or something like that to start
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the season, and it was crazy because, like, I had never seen
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my team do something like that. I'm like, holy shit, the Bills
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are playing the game like I played Madden, and I throw on madd In
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almost ninety nine point nine percent of the time. And it's funny because obviously
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we already know the statistics and we don't get deep on stats here at the
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Crew, but you know, pass plays yield more than a run play,
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and you know what's the worst that can happen on a pass play? Well,
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we're gonna get an interception from seventeen, Okay, deal with pick.
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Sometimes what's gonna happen to sack? A fumble? Up? You know what's
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the problem? You know? Negative yardage? Oh what I don't I don't
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want to be scared to throw the ball. And I've been hearing this rhetoric
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this week that maybe McDermott is slowing it down to protect his defense and keep
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them off the field a little bit longer. What you are doing, and
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we've already talked about DT, is you are playing into the opponent's hands,
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especially in situations where you're the better team, because you are limiting your possessions.
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I just said it on Twitter with our guy Justice at Buffalo fan Base.
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Tempo tempo tempo, more plays, more plays, more tries DT,
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more opportunities, more kicks at the can. I want them to run up
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tempo. And I don't understand of this, this theory that we need to
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slow the game down because we need to protect the defense, when the best
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way to protect the defense is to score points. Now, obviously you can
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go up tempo and you can shoot you in the foot because you can go
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three and out and all you've done is wated fifty four seconds off the clock
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or something like that. I understand that. I just don't want to live
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in a place where I'm operating in a place of fear because I just feel
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like the offense never did that under table. He was always bass to the
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wall. He was always pedaled to the medal, and he was always looking
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for the juggler and always looking to put teams away quickly. And what happened
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all the bad teams we would blow out DT where our starters weren't even playing
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second half and those guys. So now you're mitigating all of those injury risks.
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All of that type of stuff comes back into play. So don't give
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me this bullshit about protecting the defense or McDermott wanted to protect his defense when
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you actually can protect your defense the best way by scoring more points, because
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that just end the game quicker. And it's not really proportional. Yes,
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like, it's not like they're going fifty to fifty currently. No, last
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they threw forty times to a running back running eight times. Josh also ran
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eight times, eight times, eight eight runs to eight runs to a running
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back. Yeah, yeah, so technically it was forty to sixteen right in
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proportion. So it's not like we're cramming run down everyone's throw. But I
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think they're running in the wrong times, you know, we as we look
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into that the first of okay, this might be another shootout on Miami game.
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The Bengals come down, score right away. What do the Bills do
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getting the hurry up, spread things out, move down the field, easily,
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score touchdown, but get the ball back, go run, run,
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sack, you know, And that's like those are the situational run Like running,
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I think is more when you when you have the lead and you're trying
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to you know, take the take the game down, and the defense is
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back because they're they're worried about getting beat again by Josh Allen, and you
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hand it to James Cook and the box is wide open for an eight yard
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run on first down. Then that's the runs we like to see. And
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they're they're running in a situation where they they know they're going to be in
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a shootout and they run, run and take a sack and they're they're kicking
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it anyway. So then that's not even taking time off the field to keep
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your defense off the field. You're it's it's the same situation. And one
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thing I did do a little research on is looking they get super conservative after
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Josh all picks. Oh that and mother has been throwing a pick every every
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game, So there's there's always a there's a situation where they went run run,
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they went run run pass after after his first pick on that one,
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the last five games he's run. The last five games he's throwing a pick,
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they have punted on the next possession every single time. Everything. Look
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at the look at DT his whole look, you know, back from you
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know, the last five games and the Buccaneers one was that bullshit you know,
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drop into the line and whatever happened, they get the ball back.
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That's what started their four punts in a row inside the other territory and what
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whatnot New England. Same thing, you know, and the same thing happened
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in the Bengals, like last five games for the last five picks in a
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row, that next possession after the pick is a pun. So it almost
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seems like McDermott and we and I've heard it talked about. It almost seems
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like McDermott, you know, kind of crawls in the show a little bit
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more, which actually speaks to what we had talked about last week with Geary
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about how he's sometimes looking for an affirmation to get back to where he wants
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to be. So sometimes we'll Josh, well see, like you said last
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week, this is see, this is why we don't pass all the time,
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you know what I mean? Like this is what I was always trying
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to tell Dable, that type of thing. So he gets a chance to
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affirm some of those falsehoods that he has and and it really does hurt the
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team in my opinion. Now, I just as we transition, I just
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don't want them to continue to tell us and pistol Us to tell us that
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it's raginning DT. I know that there's something wrong with the offense. I
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can hear it in Dorsey week after week where he's trying to come up with
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answers. And I respect him. You know, he's up there. He
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gets paid money, so he's trying to McDermott misses the mark for me.
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He's talking all over the place. Now last week he wants to try to
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say that he doesn't know why they're running tempo. I don't know if he's
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trying to protect Dorsey or what that all was about, but like he's he's
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just I'm always hyper sensitive with him anyway, but the fact that that complimentary
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football moniker really does get on my nerves. Now as we proceed, you
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know, we've got a big one coming up. I say one more thing,
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about the offense. Absolutely, pet Nicols City Crew. Hear me on
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the other shock out you might have to pay me to. Yeah, we're
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paying each other here there. So it seems like when something's hitting, we
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get away from it immediately. Cool. I've been you know, we've been
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ten We've been ten fans since he's been in, since he since we draft
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him, we've been ten fans. Every time every time the dude touches the
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ball, it's twelve yards every single time there hasn't you know? He is
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a twelve yard game every single time he touches the ball. And he doesn't
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play in the third and fourth quarter. Yeah, Gave Davis has one hundred
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yards and ten catches against the Buccaneers and a touchdown. Granted he fucked up
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Sunday, And maybe that's who is that? Is that McDermott saying don't touch
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thirteen anymore? Or is that Josh and Dorsey's saying don't touch thirteen anymore?
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Because he did mess up. The pick was Josh's fault, but it was
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the wrong route by thirteen. The other the intentional grounding was the wrong option
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route by thirteen right and then which was still all but either way but yeah,
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either and then he technically didn't catch the touchdown that you know, it
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was tough ball, but it was his hands in the end zone when we
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needed six. Yeah, so all right, so he sucks up those three
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times. Who's who's saying, don't don't even look at him the rest of
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the night. Who's saying that? You know? So that's that, that's
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what the situation. Where does the blame go? Where does the you know,
21:11
is it like McDermott, you fumble the ball, you don't play for
21:14
three weeks, you missed the option route and cost us. You know,
21:18
Josh isn't looking at you. We're not calling any Hey, Dorsey, don't
21:21
call anything where thirteen is gonna get the wow man, I would just be
21:22
that would just be more how productive. But that's what it looks like.
21:29
Defensive comes in, gets twelve twelve yards, twelve yards. Bang, don't
21:33
see him the rest of the game. Oh, stephan Dis didn't get it.
21:36
Stephan Dis didn't get a target after the first after in the first half,
21:38
like for drives and drives and drives get in the target and that's the
21:41
number one weapon. So you know, I don't understand. I don't know
21:45
man, that's a great question. That's a great question, DT. And
21:48
the part of the reason that it's so frustrating now to me is that I
21:52
just don't want this to be a situation where we are wasting Allen's years,
21:56
we are wasting opportunities with his prime and then that's one of my biggest,
22:00
biggest concerns is that we are wasting Yeah, we're wasting his his prime years
22:04
and that it hurts. It hurts to even have to go through that.
22:07
So as we transition, We've got a special guest on tonight, d T.
22:11
I'm gonna let you introduce him because I met this young man uh last
22:17
year and you know you have you throw some ethic parties, DT, you
22:19
already know you do. You throw some big time parties, Halloween parties and
22:22
all these other parties. And I've had a chance to kind of chat with
22:26
him. Lifelong Denver Broncos fan actually from Panama City, your hometown, Zach
22:30
Lubai. Yeah, you can check him out on Twitter and Instagram at z
22:34
z e E Underscore Loop l U b E. How at the crew,
22:38
Zach is? Where where's your man? I mean, how at the crew?
22:42
I'm pretty sure that this is roommate territory as well. So like we
22:47
blood a stick in the water man, we family man? What's good with
22:48
you man? How at the creuse? That? Absolutely? How how are
22:52
you guys? This is uh list? Don't be don't be physicious. I'll
22:56
kick your ass off. I'm doing horrible. First of all, I okay,
23:03
So two things. First of all, what an absolute honor to finally
23:06
beyond beyond with you too? This is this is just beautiful appreciate And two,
23:11
I love the somber like field that I'm coming into. This is how
23:17
else would I want? How else would I want? This? All right,
23:18
well, well we'll get into that. That's you know, the Nickel
23:22
City crew. Listeners, got a guy to get to know you a little
23:23
bit. Why don't you you know, obviously roommates here at three thirty London,
23:27
the batch pad of the of the East, and tell us a little
23:33
bit. Your broncos died hard. We're coming up. But how did you
23:34
get into the Broncos man? Being a Buffalo kid, a Western New York
23:37
kid? What's that all about? Kelly? Kelly and and Elway came in
23:41
the same year you're supposed to be with us even though Kelly spurned to start
23:45
his career. Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, as I've said
23:48
before, I mean my die are my entire family are all die hard Buffalo
23:51
everything. So I'm out of the will like I'm done when they go,
23:56
I'm not getting anything. Uh yeah, I mean John Oway was the big
24:02
he was the big you know, motivator. My grandmother had a you know,
24:06
you probably know more about this rob than Thanos. Yeah he had.
24:10
My grandmother had a John Owick quarterback Nintendo game. Oh yes, absolutely sure,
24:15
sure that's the goback right there. That yeah on the cart absolutely still
24:19
didn't work. Absolutely yeah. Okay, so yeah, I played that game,
24:23
put that name together, figured out what team he was on was the
24:26
Broncos, and then it was off from running from there. Well, we're
24:30
really happy to have you. You know, DT was was talking about,
24:33
you know how you've been looking forward to this week, and obviously Bill's Mafia
24:37
is as well, because now we've got a heightened sense of urgency for it.
24:40
Tell me a little bit about your Broncos team. Obviously the butt of
24:41
the jokes is that you gave up seventy. Quite honestly, you guys have
24:45
been playing better since to be honest, Russell Wilson is not looking you know,
24:49
horrible anymore or anything like that. They're actually looking like a little bit
24:52
of a competent offense these last few weeks. And you know, I've heard
24:56
people that say the Buffalo should be careful this week and not overlook the Bronx
25:00
because in your Broncos, because of the fact that they could come in and
25:02
be surprised. Uh, tell me about your team and what you're thinking about
25:04
them. They are now up to three and five. I know that that's
25:07
nothing to write home about, but some people were talking about they could be
25:10
tanking and what's up with Peyton and all this other stuff. But they have
25:12
kind of scratched back to respectability and they're they're looking at it's a gentleman's three
25:17
and five too, by the way, it's a hard earned three and five.
25:19
I was actually at that game in Miami too way when they give when
25:23
they gave up seventy oh man, I had I had a Broncos sombrero on
25:30
the giant, giant fucking chain. It was that's a tough one yea seventy
25:37
Yeah, but you know it's weird. I mean, so you talked to
25:42
me a moth and a half ago about that. You know about this Bills
25:47
game now, and I would have said, this is this is gonna be
25:48
a tough week right now where we're at. I mean, you just beat
25:52
the Chiefs. You came off a bye week. Yeah, you know backers
25:56
before that played the Chiefs, played the Chiefs of the week before that.
26:00
Like you guys, you're kind of kind of looking on the way up right
26:03
now? Why not? Why not? And you know the Bills they've only
26:07
you know, they played one more game. Broncos get this in. They're
26:10
essentially the same record. This is this is you? Isn't that? That's
26:17
the reality, Robin. That's that's the worst thing about it, man,
26:19
Yeah, my god, is the reality? Literally a win is essentially the
26:23
same record as the Broncos, who you know, in deep conversations Zach and
26:26
I have had the it was he was almost upset when they beat the Bears
26:32
after that Dolphins loss. You know, he's like, oh, great,
26:34
now you know another win. We're not gonna get the number one pick,
26:37
like it was a guarantee. I want the number one pick too. We
26:41
could have the same record as the Bills. So that's reality. Oh my
26:48
god, how far have the Mighty have fallen? Like it's ridiculous, you
26:52
know, because of the fact that, you know, I didn't think much
26:53
of Denver. I was really excited about it last year, for sure,
26:56
and I was excited about Russell Wilson coming over there, and I thought that
27:00
that was a potential even AFC championship matchup. You remember that DT when we
27:03
talked about some of the threats in the AFC last year. Obviously that didn't
27:07
materialize. And then you've got the owner of the you know, Walmart,
27:10
one of the richest you know, families on the planet Earth, and they
27:12
hire you know, Sean Payton, and they've got deep pockets, and you
27:15
know, money's not an issue out there in the Mile High City. And
27:18
you know, obviously, you know, a lot of buzz, just a
27:21
lot of buzz around that city. Denver Nuggets win the championship, So they've
27:23
always got a little bit of buzz going around them right now lately. And
27:26
then this season, after Peyton, it seemed like the season couldn't get out
27:30
to a worse start, losing seventeen sixteen to the Raiders to start, and
27:33
then the Commanders, and then obviously that Dolphins game that you were at,
27:37
Zach, and then, like I said, you know, barely loose,
27:38
you beat the Bears, and then after that everything you guys have been playing
27:42
better since then, Like you lost the Jets. Jets make a lot up
27:45
quarterbacks look silly. And then you play the Chiefs really close nineteen eight,
27:48
you win, You beat the Packers. You beat the Chiefs in a game
27:51
that nobody saw that coming, even though maybe we should have. So,
27:53
Dt, I don't know about you when it comes to predictions. I don't.
27:56
I'm not. The offense is playing so shit now, Zach, DT
28:00
that I don't. I don't count any chickens before they come home, and
28:03
actually, Hatch, I just don't count them, man, Like I have
28:07
no idea what to expect from the offense. So I really, I really
28:10
can't even handicap this game. I can't say that you guys are gonna get
28:12
blown out or anything like that, because I thought the Giants we blow them
28:15
out. And I literally sat there and sweated my ass off to the last
28:18
play of the game with Tyrod Taylor almost had us at five hundred. So
28:22
I'm I am I'm out of excuses at this point. Well, time.
28:26
Well, you said, and it's actually pretty surprising that the handicap coming out,
28:29
you know, with the Broncos coming off a bye and the Bills kind
28:32
of in shambles. Is you know, over a touchdown favorite seven and a
28:34
half is the line right now, you know, And that's a lot of
28:37
points in the NFL, especially in prime time. As you've seen the primetime
28:41
really scores throughout the whole season have been low. The unders are all over
28:48
the place when it comes to primetime games in the NFL. And you know,
28:51
with this team that just beat to a team in shambles and they're still
28:56
over a touchdown underdog. So I think everybody he's just anticipating the Bills are
29:00
going to get back on schedule him get the wheels back under him. Because
29:04
but that's what we've been doing for the last five weeks, you know,
29:08
and just keep you know, we just keep hitting the deer. So it's
29:15
you'd like to say, this is confident you can have that over touchdown favorite
29:18
going into Monday night at home, get it, get it rolling. Whether
29:21
it shouldn't be too bad yet, but it's you're righted dt. I mean,
29:29
we we say so much and confidence that we're stuttering, Zach. You
29:33
guys cannot fly across the damn country and come to Orchard Park on a Monday
29:37
night football. You know, everybody's gonna get juiced up for that game.
29:40
Everybody's gonna be ready to go, screaming full thought. You guys can't come
29:44
across the country and beat us in our home, our home field, can
29:45
you? Yeah? Yeah, listen, listen they could. I watched,
29:57
you know, with with the Bills. When did the Bills play? When
30:04
Thursday night? Thursday night game? So so that Sunday, you know,
30:08
we had the slot wide open, and obviously, you know I wanted to
30:11
see the Chiefs get beat. So I watched that entire Broncos game of Zach
30:15
here at three thirty, and you know, great, great win by the
30:18
Broncos. They forced five turnovers, they converted on those five with touchdowns.
30:22
Russell Wilson had one hundred yards and three touchdowns. Hundred and thirteen yards and
30:27
three touchdowns. And watching that cat is not you know, I'd be more
30:33
scared of Baker Mayfield, to be honest, in the in the in these
30:36
situations, Tyron. But then you know I just didn't see you know,
30:41
no offense. Sec I didn't see anything that could beat this Bills team,
30:45
even in their shambles, when I watched them beat the other than five turnovers.
30:51
Other than five turnovers? What what would you say to that, Zach?
30:56
The Bills aren't samples. The Bills are bleeding. I've said it,
31:00
perform When when else would you catch them? When else would you catch them?
31:03
What's a better situation? A cheap trap game? If they're you know,
31:07
have one loss by now or something. They're bleeding and the fan base,
31:14
the fan base is question and stuff. They're questioning everybody carry is out.
31:18
They're going at Jesse. We're not even rooting for her for you know
31:21
in tennis, want everybody out who's doing that. Nobody's saying anything about you
31:30
Goes you go quick coming into the nicol City crew knocking tables over his ship.
31:34
I got some for you. I know you stay, man, you
31:36
better bet a chill out man. I'll be back up this season. I
31:38
mean, you're you're absolutely right when it is a better time Zach to catch
31:41
us. You're right about it. I mean it's it's the cold heart truth.
31:45
You guys have a shot. I I I won't put it past them,
31:48
but at this point in time because of the way that the offense has
31:49
been sputtering. You know, I can't, I can't put it past you
31:52
guys, to be honest, I know that you know DT's point is right.
31:56
I said that Russell Wilson has been looking better. That's from has he
31:59
had been looking a visible you know what I mean. So you know it's
32:00
you know, it's a step up for him in that respect. And maybe
32:04
Sean Payton has figured something out. But they do they do play tough.
32:06
Number one, besides that Miami game that you were at, Zach, they
32:08
do play tough. They don't quit, and they haven't quit on their coach,
32:10
a new coach. You rarely get that season one that they're going to
32:14
quit on their coach. And I mean, I just I'm just very nervous
32:17
DT. So as much as I don't like that Zach is coming over here,
32:21
knocking over and he's into my fridge and he's making himself a sandwich and
32:23
all this other shit at Nichol City Crew, I gotta give him a napkin,
32:27
because uh, I mean, I just I don't I don't know anymore.
32:30
And that's really a frustrating place to be. Now as we begin to
32:32
wrap up, it's actually perfect that you're here, Zach, because my last
32:35
point ties in because of that quarterback class that we were talking about again arguably
32:39
the best quarterback class ever to come out eighty two, that just Hall of
32:44
famers chalked through there, including John Elway and Jim Kelly, our respective you
32:49
know, Hall of Fame quarterbacks. And it's funny because I had made this
32:52
point last year, DT and and it was it rang true because of the
32:55
fact that you never know when you're gonna get another opportunity, and I had,
32:59
you know, kind started out talking about Dan Marino and then he was
33:01
also in that class, and like you know, he came out guns a
33:05
blazing and different things like that, and he went to a Super Bowl his
33:07
second year and then never got back, you know, just as well as
33:09
Zach, you know, I mean, you know, John Elway was like
33:14
one of the best prospects ever of everything, you know what I mean,
33:15
baseball, Drafted by the Yankees. He uses that a leverage to make sure
33:19
that he doesn't play for the Colts back in the day, and he didn't
33:22
get to you know, he got to a super Bowl in the beginning,
33:23
got his head beat in and then didn't get back for a while, you
33:25
know what I mean, Like it took some time for him to get back,
33:29
and then obviously he wins up at the end and he's got the you
33:30
know, the the Swan song riding off in the sunset. But it's hard
33:35
and I'm starting to wonder DT. And I know that we talked about this
33:37
pre show Man, and it's it's probably the scariest thought that a Bill's you
33:42
know, mafia member can think if you really want to, you know,
33:45
reflect on it and really be honest with yourselves. Was thirteen seconds our best
33:49
chance to win a Super Bowl? And when I start to ponder that question
33:52
and I juxtapose it with all of the shit that has happened since thirteen seconds,
33:58
DT Leslie Frasier leaving, and you know, after Sear mcdermottells him,
34:01
he's not gonna call plays anymore. And that is coming off the heels of
34:05
an embarrassing performance against Cincinnati, who I don't care whose fault it was.
34:07
We've talked about all that type of stuff. DT. Was thirteen seconds our
34:12
best chance at a Super Bowl? And that's why I titled the episode of
34:15
the way that I did, because you never know that it was your opportunity
34:19
until the years have passed. When, like you said, DT, everything's
34:22
in front of you. If we turn back the clock and look back on
34:24
that time after Josh Allen is hanging up to the cleats and that was our
34:28
best chance, I'm gonna be really fucking pissed. I'm gonna be really pissed
34:31
now. I'm more pissed every single season that we don't make it back to
34:36
the Super Bowl or make it back to the AFC Championship Game. Hell,
34:38
I just want to get back to the AFC Championship Game at this point.
34:40
But like DT, Man, that's a real thing for Bills Maffi to chew
34:45
chew on man, like if thirteen seconds was the best chance. That is
34:49
scary, man, That is really really scary because we are going in the
34:52
opposite direction right now. And I'm not talking about Super Bowl window. And
34:54
I know as long as Josh is our quarterback, and I know that's one
34:58
of everybody's favorite things to talk about. My point is that Dan Marinos and
35:01
Zach's John Elways and our Jim Kelly back in the day didn't matter how much
35:05
talent, you had a lot of things have to go right to get a
35:07
championship, and everything was lined up for us that particular year. We haven't
35:13
been able to get back to that same threshold since DT. Yeah, yeah,
35:16
you're right. I mean it's just because you're good doesn't doesn't guarantee you
35:21
a rank, you know, And that's a that's a great example with you
35:23
know, with Marino for sure. That what I will say this team since
35:29
the McDermot era there, the adversity hasn't been mid season, you know,
35:35
the adversity they they came on the come up and as Josh grew in,
35:39
you know that ten and six year where they lose to Houston. But then
35:43
after that it was kind of it was kind of rolling through the season.
35:45
The adversity came in the playoffs. You're losing the playoffs, you have all
35:49
off season to kind of get through it, and then you start, you
35:51
start the season off hot and you get rolling again and you kind of push
35:53
that adversity behind you. The year they go seven and six was probably the
35:59
biggest adverse one, right twenty one, Yes, Yes, the biggest adversity
36:02
they they faced in in the in the heat of it when the when the
36:07
w g R, when you and me, when you walk to Tim Horton's,
36:09
when every motherfucker's talking about the bills all day every day, there's a
36:15
lot more pressure than in March, April and May, right, So that
36:19
adversity seven and six, they spin it around and have you know, the
36:22
best the best run till thirteen seconds they will. So I'm challenging this team
36:28
to you know, this is some in season university. The pressure is hotter
36:30
than ever. You can't forget about this as a player, as a coach,
36:34
is anything, every eye is on you, Every eye is always on
36:37
you. But it gets a little the heat's a little off in the Yeah,
36:39
losing sucks. Everybody starts to watch you team, and you got all
36:45
off season people forget get into their springs, and you know, whatever you
36:47
lose, you know Sunday, everyone's on you until you win Monday, and
36:52
it's and it's gonna keep going that way, and it's gonna get ugly if
36:55
you know, if they don't start turning it around. It's it's very hostile
36:59
right now now with a winning record with just over half in the season,
37:04
you know, if you start dropping some more it's it's gonna get real hostile.
37:07
People are gonna be calling for heads real quick. So I think you
37:10
takes some adversity. You go seven and six, you rattle off one of
37:15
our best, one of the best football we've ever seen. Five and four,
37:19
let's start rattling some off. Get back in the driver's seat, get
37:21
back in the vibe, and yeah it is. If thirteen seconds is our
37:24
best chance. When we look back at it, it's it's unexcusable, unforgivable
37:29
all the things, probably worse than the losing the four Super Bowls, you
37:31
know, because you have it was bad. You have a once in a
37:43
lifetime quarterback. Yeah, and you have to make it happen. Granted,
37:47
you know, six seven years in you would hope he's about halfway through his
37:50
career too. We get him another six seven years, so you're gonna see
37:52
a whole new roster under him as well, a whole new chance at going
37:57
for this thing again. So that's, you know, in the positive note
38:00
on that. But I think, yes, maybe thirteen seconds is for now.
38:07
I think I just think about how close we were, I think DT
38:08
and how the stage was set, you know, in season adversity exactly.
38:14
Yeah, yeah, try to turn that around right now, Zach. You
38:16
know, I know you're not a Bills fan, but you definitely know everything
38:19
about Bills bofia living with DT and then obviously being from Western New York itself.
38:23
What do you feel about it and how do you feel about it?
38:24
Because even though you're rooting for Denver, those quarterbacks came into the same time,
38:29
so you do know what I'm talking about when you know, and obviously
38:30
you got some championships at the end, but like it's it's not easy to
38:35
get to that threshold. It's not easy to go represent your conference in the
38:37
super Bowl, let alone win it, and some luck needs to go along
38:40
with that as well. And I just feel like we gave up a great
38:44
opportunity and every year removed, Zach, I just feel a little bit worse
38:47
about that day because of the fact that what I was just saying with DT,
38:51
everything was kind of set up tailor made for us. Now again,
38:53
we always know that we don't know what the future holds. And you know,
38:55
obviously we lost to Cincinnati the next year in the playoffs, so there's
38:59
no guarantee that we would have beat them. But I feel I feel real
39:01
strongly about the fact that that was a great opportunity to go represent the conference
39:06
in the Super Bowl. And I just don't know how many times they do
39:09
revolutions and they come back around and I'm just not sure, man, I
39:12
really not. It's tough. I mean, look at John Oway. Look
39:15
at like so when he first started in the MVP year, he lost to
39:19
Doug Williams and the and the Redskins. Yeah, people want to know who
39:22
Doug Williams is. I do they lost it? Yeah? Yeah, ok,
39:27
yeah, I know you like, but like they lost by fifty,
39:30
they lost fifty to that team. Yeah, I mean he lost to Joe
39:31
Montana. I mean everyone knows that, Joe Montana. But then Phil Simms.
39:36
Yeah, like they got their ass kicked and you had John Oway.
39:38
Yeah, and then you know, Peyton Manning got his ass kicked against Russell
39:42
Wilson. It's not easy to win the Super Bowl, that easy to make
39:45
the playoffs. I mean, look at right now. Yah. Yeah,
39:51
so yeah, I mean I just don't want to I just don't want it
39:54
to be. Yeah. I just don't want it to I just don't want
39:58
to look back on it. Fellas and and and and lament it any more
40:00
than I do. And and I think that the easy thing to tell yourself
40:02
DT is what you know, we often have done it since then, since
40:06
the scars of that game is you know, well we'll be back, and
40:08
you know Josh is great and all those different types of things, and that
40:12
is that's true. I'm not, you know, disputing how great Josh Allen
40:15
is. I just I think that we kind of got on a level where
40:17
we thought that we were more entitled to it after that wonderful run with him,
40:22
and it kind of spoiled us to a point where maybe we thought that,
40:24
well, this is how it's going to be every year, as opposed
40:28
to a really good opportunity, and we think, and we think, and
40:32
the Mafia overall thinks we're that exact team thirteen seconds were far from it,
40:38
obviously, So that's that's also kind of a fall from grace and the reality
40:44
of you know, I don't think we're a five hundred team. We're better
40:45
than five hundred, for sure, but we can't be that thirteen second team
40:52
all fourteen years of Josh Allen's career. You know, there's gonna be officers,
40:55
gonna be downs, for sure, but that's that's been the biggest part
40:59
of my grasping this is everyone just expects we should be the thirteen second team
41:05
all the time, and we're far from that currently. Yeah, at the
41:07
moment, we are not, you know, and that's a that's a good
41:10
way to put a bow on it. Well. As we wrap up tonight
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I mean I wanted to throw stuff, you know what I mean,
41:39
Like I all day DT, all day, I was ready for the game,
41:44
and I mean I did a pork shoulder, you know, Boston Butt
41:46
put one on the smoker I had. I told you I was probably gonna
41:51
have my kings with me, so I had all three and we were just
41:53
kind of playing all day and hanging out all day and just the crescendo,
41:57
just building the anticipation. That's what I hate about these damn night games is
42:00
that there's it's all day. You have to wait, and it's like god
42:04
Lee, and you got the nine thirty game that morning, so that kind
42:07
of helped out with Kansas City and and and the Dolphins getting it on.
42:09
But like that kind of helped out a little bit. But then you got
42:12
the one o'clock slate, four o'clock State, So DT, my day was
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all messed up. I waited all day for it. I had the pork
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bud on there and then unfortunately, you know, the family dog. Now
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I'm not a dog lover or anything like that, but my ex wife had
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a dog and then I, you know, I grew in affinity to the
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dog or the case maybe over the years, and her dog died and like
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that hurt my kids. So like it was and that was all right before
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the game, so like it was a it was a ship. I should
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have known that that was a fucking ominous you know cloud coming when I when
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that happened, and like it was just it was crazy, DT. That
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is how I consumed it. Man. I the dog died right before the
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game, had the pulled pork off of the grill and uh. And then
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we watched that game and it was it was. It was not fun to
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watch obviously, so DT, I hope. I don't know what you did,
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man, but that was that was it was. It's a crazy Sunday,
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man. I should have known from the beginning. I really should have.
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Damn. Well, sorry, sorry to hear about the how you consume
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the game. Well, you know ton of you know, I lived the
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bachelor life to the fullest. This weekend. We I didn't do anything and
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I watched football all day every day Saturday and Sunday, just didn't do anything
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and watchball, watchball, watch ball, consumed it. That lost good at
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all. Yeah, the game comes around. We had a good uh,
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got a good brunch. Watch know, just just went went dark. A
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few friends went went some places and I declined imitations to go and just actually
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Zach and I we're just we're just chilling watching They had, you know,
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living room junior living room, senior going likes were kind of damn And I
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knew it was, I, you know, get up for game day.
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I love watching the Bills every every It's like one of the best parts of
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my week and you know the third quarter, I got it on in my
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bedroom. I'm watching it from my bed, you know, like all right,
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yeah, can I go to sleep? You know, And that's like
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when you knew it was the vibe has changed and that's not you at all.
44:15
Yeah, that's not you DT at all. No, no, no,
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you know, doing doing strikeouts in the kitchen after tuddies and beating the
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bangles on Sunday night. We're back on track and you know, let's roll
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instead of just the dark the darkness stayed and you know, I literally watched
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the finale literally the sleep time around the TV like kind of one eye in
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the game, like do we have a shot? And so yeah, I
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don't. Not a good Tailgate report for me. A weird vibe. It
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was a weird vibe in the house from even from the start, from the
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start of the day. Yeah, it was like taking that test that like
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you don't know, like one you totally forgot about it and you kind of
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know the subject. You know, usually it's like you know the bills are
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playing, you know they're gonna win. It's like the test is like intro
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to bass, We've you know you're gonna win. You know you're gonna that
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test, but this was this is different. Yeah, it's yeah, No,
45:08
I I was definitely feeling that six hundred fifty miles away from you guys
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down here Charlotte. It was the same thing. It was not that it
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wasn't a bad day or anything like that. I had the kid. Yeah,
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we gotta we gotta bring it back. What did we need to do?
45:21
Like, I don't know what I yeah, everything going? Yeah,
45:25
all right now, So you so, Zach, you are attending the game
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nicol City Crew Tebwork before It again presented by twenty six shirts dot Com.
45:31
You are headed to the game this week? Correct? Absolutely, big band,
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big band from L A and a K. We bought those tickets from
45:42
them. Okay, they're not able to make it this week, so so
45:45
we're gonna be repping repping big Benana seats uh awesome? Right yeah, yeah,
45:52
you coming up, Rob, what's up? I'm gonna try to get
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up there. I don't know if I'm gonna make it. I've got,
45:57
like you told you, off air, got a new job starting up one
45:59
Monday, So I don't know if I'll be able to finagle it. But
46:01
I mean, you know, I'll see if I can if I can scoot
46:05
up there. If not, I'll try to sell them as soon as I
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can and then and help somebody else out, like like Big Ben and and
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a KR. But you know, either way, I'm gonna be here supporting.
46:13
You know, it's tough because those trips become longer, you know,
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DT, when the team's not doing well, you know what I mean,
46:17
Like it's it's longer trips and the money's already paid for. You know,
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they're already my seats. So at that point in time, you know,
46:23
it's either sell them or or get in the car and and and make the
46:27
trek up. So it's tougher when the team's not doing well because it kind
46:30
of takes some of the wind out of the sales. They're like, oh,
46:31
I might as well just sit at home. I might as well just
46:34
support from from here, you know that type of thing, and help somebody
46:37
else out up in Western New York. So I don't I don't know,
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DT. I can't call it quite yet. Man. You know, I'm
46:42
a dad. A lot of shit going on, so it's, uh,
46:44
it's always up in the air in that respect. But either way, the
46:46
bills have my money already, and that's why I'm on here and I'm spitting
46:51
fire, and I'm mad at everybody. I'm ready to fire somebody. I
46:52
don't know who I about want to fire them, but I want somebody to
46:54
lose their job. And that's almost how I feel. But not yet.
46:58
We haven't sounded the alarms as we'll wrap up tonight. But I really do
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appreciate both of you guys time tonight, joining me and helping me out.
47:04
Man Zach, enjoy the game this weekend, man, thank you for coming
47:07
on again. Check him out, Jack Lubai at Zee Underscore l U b
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E on Twitter, Instagram. Check him out, man Zach, thanks for
47:14
coming on. Man. We appreciate you. Man. I know that H
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three point thirty Linit that's the that's the place to be when I come,
47:19
when I come up to buff Man. So I love that you've always been
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being hospitality and show me hospitality. We I really do appreciate that, man
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An Honor, Thank you. Thank you for having me absolutely dt. Man.
47:30
I don't know, man, I I just I want to stay to
47:35
get better. Yes, let's ride, let's evoke some some Russell wilsonurvive what
47:40
better way to be corny, uh and end the show with that. Yeah,
47:44
let's let's ride man, as always, spread love, not hey,
47:47
these were my Bills thoughts set out loud. Hit him with a go Bills,
47:51
Zach. You're not even a Bills fan, but you on the show.
47:52
You got to hit him with the go Bills on the way out,
47:54
even if you don't mean it. Man, Go Bills, Go Bill,
47:57
Go Bills. Come on now for I think I love it. I love it.