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Credlin | 29 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program Big Show tonight, because
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Speaker 2: what's coming up on Fredline more questions over Susan leeds
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Speaker 2: leadership today are almost all the colleagues declining to back
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Speaker 2: in her rebuke of the Prime Minister over that T shirt.
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Speaker 2: For the real showdowns to come. It's moving against her
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Speaker 2: on that just on that zero new database has been
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Speaker 2: launched today. But that's just how widespread opposition to renewals
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Speaker 2: is a cross regional astrapia. It's a time and reminder
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Speaker 2: to the politicians that there are already real world consequences
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Speaker 2: classes more and more serious allegations of child abuse within
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Speaker 2: the childcare sector come to light. You won't believe the
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Speaker 2: condescending remarks of the Health Minister Mark Butler missus directed
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Speaker 2: at parents who simply just want choice when it comes
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Speaker 2: to early childhood education. Play those comments in a moment
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Speaker 2: and bad news today. Two for mortgage holders as inflation spikes,
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers too struggling to maintain credibility.
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Speaker 1: Well, the Treasurer now can sde it is time to
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Speaker 1: stop Labour's spending spree.
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Speaker 3: Inflation's half what we inherited.
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Speaker 4: We'll check out our record against yours any day.
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Speaker 2: But first, it's a big week for the coalition as
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Speaker 2: it sets about making fundamental decisions about its future and
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Speaker 2: the future of our country. Is it going to stay
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Speaker 2: on the path of its current labor light policy agenda
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Speaker 2: or is it going to make a bold and frankly
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Speaker 2: overdue decision to take a stand on the biggest issue
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Speaker 2: facing our country, and that's the catastrophic economic harm we
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Speaker 2: are doing to ourselves under the guise of climate action.
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Speaker 2: Futile climate action, I might add, given we are nowhere
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Speaker 2: near close to meeting any of Australia's upcoming targets and
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Speaker 2: futile further still, give it we only make up around
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Speaker 2: one percent of global emissions. Now it will all come
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Speaker 2: to a head at Friday's special Party room meeting, which
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Speaker 2: will be make or break for the Liberal Party, for
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Speaker 2: the broader coalition, and for Susan Lee's leadership. Although some
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Speaker 2: like our respective political commentator Chris Yulman or they say
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Speaker 2: she's gone already, that.
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Speaker 5: She lacks all authority, so she's now being challenged by
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Speaker 5: just about everybody inside her party. This only ends, I
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Speaker 5: think one way and that is at some point before
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Speaker 5: the next election that Susan Lee is replaced.
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Speaker 2: Time will tell, but sitting on the fence and hiding
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Speaker 2: behind reviews won't save her leadership. The Liberals must come
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Speaker 2: to grips with this issue and they must make a
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Speaker 2: decision to either fight or fold. And today it under
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull, under Scott Morrison and under Peter Darton, folding
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Speaker 2: has only hastened the erosion of their vote. This is
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Speaker 2: a due or die moment for the once proud party
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Speaker 2: of Robert Menzie's. Will they be labor without the Unions
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Speaker 2: of the next election or will the Liberals rediscover their
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Speaker 2: economic spine because this has been in the fatal flaw
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Speaker 2: in their policy deliberations to date. For too long, the
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Speaker 2: Liberals have viewed climate policy is solely environmental policy, when
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Speaker 2: it is not. That's just a small component of what's
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Speaker 2: at stake. Climate policy is all encompassing and it's the
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Speaker 2: budget bottom line. It impacts our terms of trade, it's
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Speaker 2: our economic strength, and of course it is our national security.
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Speaker 2: Labour gets a leave pass on anything to do with
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Speaker 2: the environment. So that's how they play this issue. And
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Speaker 2: when Liberals play on their turf. They lose, but position
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Speaker 2: this as an economic issue and the Liberals then play
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Speaker 2: to their strength and they can win. Tony Abbott proved
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Speaker 2: this in twenty thirty with his Landslide victory campaigning against
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Speaker 2: a carbon tax.
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Speaker 3: Already the battle lines have been drawn up.
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Speaker 2: There's the energy realists, Andrew Hasty, Just Enterprise, Alex Antick,
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Speaker 2: Henry Pike, Sarah Henderson, Tony Passen, Garth Hamilton and Moore,
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Speaker 2: who all declared early on they want net zero.
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Speaker 3: Gone in all its forms.
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Speaker 2: They too have been joined recently by Melissa McIntosh and
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Speaker 2: others On the other side. The polar opposites of these,
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Speaker 2: those supporting net zero only promising they say, to do
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Speaker 2: it better than labor, are people like Senator Andrew Bragg.
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Speaker 4: I think we could do net zero better than labor
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Speaker 4: in terms of emissions and costs and environmental protection.
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Speaker 2: Joining him too is Andrew McLaughlin, a new Senator from
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Speaker 2: South Australia. He's only just arrived in the Parliament. Well,
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Speaker 2: he's gone even further today than Bragg, crossing the floor
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Speaker 2: to support radical climate legisl from the Canberra of Teel
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Speaker 2: David Pocock, and in doing so gave this little sermon
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Speaker 2: and what he thinks it means to be a liberal.
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Speaker 1: There have been social commentary, possibly post my outing on
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Speaker 1: the front page of The Australian, that it's illiberal to
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Speaker 1: care for the environment and it's illiberal to support climate
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Speaker 1: change initiatives.
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Speaker 6: And it's not.
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Speaker 1: It's very conservative. It's actually more conservative than a liberal
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Speaker 1: progressive position to care for the environment.
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Speaker 2: Got to love it when those lefty liberals want to
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Speaker 2: tell us what a conservative is or what a conservative
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Speaker 2: position should be. I'll tell you what a conservative position
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Speaker 2: is not, Andrew McLaughlin.
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Speaker 3: It's not a.
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Speaker 2: Wasting billions of taxpayer dollars subsidizing foreign owned wind and
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Speaker 2: solar farms at the same time as shutting down viable
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Speaker 2: base load energy in this country. It's not a conservative
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Speaker 2: to send heavy manufacturing to the wall. It's not conservative
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Speaker 2: to blow up the economy. It's not conservative to punish
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Speaker 2: households with energy bills that are crippling them and hit
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Speaker 2: small business as well. And in the middle of these
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Speaker 2: two groupings a people like Julian Lisa and Simon Kennedy
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Speaker 2: rightly critical of Labour's energy train wreck, but scared that
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Speaker 2: dumping that zero might upset too many of their climate
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Speaker 2: conscious constituents. Hence the latest liberal temptation to replace labors
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Speaker 2: legislated net zero target with a non binding aspiration to
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Speaker 2: get there anywhere. But the trouble with just aiming for
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Speaker 2: net zero as opposed to it being binding is you
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Speaker 2: can't avoid charing course towards it anyway, even though the
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Speaker 2: truth is net zero is simply unattainable. No less than
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Speaker 2: former UK Labor PM Tony Blair has admitted as much.
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Speaker 2: Even their current PM, Kirstarmer, as the left wing Guardian Rep.
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Speaker 2: Darts is preparing to miss key emissions targets in an
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Speaker 2: effort to keep energy bills down. But that pales in
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Speaker 2: comparison to this huge concession today from none other than
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Speaker 2: billionaire Bill Gates, who has published this long memo declaring
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Speaker 2: that there are three tough truths about climate. Climate will
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Speaker 2: not end civilization, says Gates. Limiting temperature is not the
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Speaker 2: best measure of progress, and health and prosperity, he says,
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Speaker 2: are the strongest defenses against climate destabilization. Prosperity, says Bill Gates,
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Speaker 2: is one of the strongest defenses against climate change, or
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Speaker 2: will only retain our prosperity if Australia continues to be
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Speaker 2: a country that makes things, grows things, and digs things up.
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Speaker 2: In the end, it's a question of leadership versus followship.
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Speaker 2: Is effect active political leadership working out what people want
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Speaker 2: and then offering it to them to buy their vote,
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Speaker 2: or is it working out what the country needs, what
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Speaker 2: Australia needs, and then persuading people to vote for it
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Speaker 2: because it is right. Do you seek to lead the
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Speaker 2: public or merely just represent them. There's no doubt that
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Speaker 2: our most successful political leaders, John Howard and Bob Hawk
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Speaker 2: pursued economic reforms like workplace freedom, welfare obligations, tariff cuts,
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Speaker 2: tax mixed changes and privatization not because they were popular.
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Speaker 2: They were not popular. They did it because they were
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Speaker 2: right and voters rewarded them. Likewise, whenever the Liberal parties
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Speaker 2: made energy and climate and economic issue, it's done well.
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Speaker 2: Think about the elections in twenty ten to thirteen, in
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen when the Coalition was campaigning against the carbon
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Speaker 2: tax and Labour's impossible to meet and it's totally uncosted
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Speaker 2: forty five percent emissions reduction by twenty thirty. It's only
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Speaker 2: when the Coalition need to Labour's net zero as they
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Speaker 2: did in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty.
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Speaker 3: Five that it got flogged. This is the.
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Speaker 2: Lesson that people like Andrew McLachlin need to understand before
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Speaker 2: he starts the lecture. Anyone else about political theory. They
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Speaker 2: saving politics at timing is everything? Well, there's no harsher
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Speaker 2: lesson this week on Labour's climate policy madness. Then the
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Speaker 2: lesson of the Tomico aluminum smelter. The news of its
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Speaker 2: imminent closure because it can't adequately replace cheap, reliable, cul
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Speaker 2: fired power has got to be a powerful incentive for
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Speaker 2: the Liberals to dump net zero, because if they don't,
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Speaker 2: they will sign their political death warrant and stand idly
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Speaker 2: by as Labour sends us down the path of economic ruin.
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Speaker 2: Right the man at the moment this deek cam red
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Speaker 2: and joins me now from Canberra.
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Speaker 3: Busy day.
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Speaker 2: But before we get to that, you did very well
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Speaker 2: bouncing Kevin Ryder. I know Kevin loves a bit of media,
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Speaker 2: so he probably texted you and told you where to
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Speaker 2: find it. But good on you can we ran that
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Speaker 2: last night. Let's go to the news today. The inflation
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Speaker 2: rate out today three point two percent. It's an increase,
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Speaker 2: it was not what pundits were expecting, and it's all
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Speaker 2: but ruled out a rate cut next Tuesday. But it
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Speaker 2: certainly was a political hit against labor today, particularly in
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Speaker 2: Question Time.
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Speaker 7: One of the newspapers, Peter is describing this as a
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Speaker 7: pre Halloween nightmare, not just for people with a mortgage
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Speaker 7: but also for the Treasurer Jim Chalmer. Is a pretty
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Speaker 7: sizable leap. I believe it's the largest quarterly increase in
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Speaker 7: two and a half years. So that tells you just
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Speaker 7: how sharp it was and perhaps how unexpected it was
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Speaker 7: from the government's point of view as well. And what
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Speaker 7: it does show when you dive deep into the numbers.
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Speaker 7: Ross Green would spell this out on scone is little
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Speaker 7: earlier too that one of the real driving forces, as
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Speaker 7: we know, Peter, is energy prices. The government has been subsidizing,
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Speaker 7: has been offering rebates to paper over the cracks for
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Speaker 7: a little bit for some time now, but clearly those
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Speaker 7: pressures are mounting and we heard from Susan Lee again
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Speaker 7: today there was no surprise this is where the coalition
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Speaker 7: was going to go, but linking it also to the
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Speaker 7: Tommigo aluminium smelter issue which dominated yesterday, which is being
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Speaker 7: pushed to the brink by energy prices. Here's a little
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Speaker 7: of the Opposition leader in question time today.
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Speaker 2: Today inflation has shot up above all expectations, jumping to
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Speaker 2: three point two percent, with Australians suffering to the largest
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Speaker 2: decline in living standards in the developed world.
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Speaker 3: Why is it when labour fails?
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Speaker 7: Australians always put the bill Inflation is higher than we like,
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Speaker 7: but it is around half what we inherited from those opposite.
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Speaker 2: And look he sound of the treasurer like the dog
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Speaker 2: ate my homework today can because his only response to
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Speaker 2: the spike in inflation was to say it was because
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Speaker 2: the state government and have withdrawn the money. You're talking
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Speaker 2: about there the subsidies for energy, but they were all
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Speaker 2: artificial in terms of those inflation numbers, and you remove them,
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Speaker 2: I think we're actually seeing what inflation really is.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and some of those other structural problems really coming
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Speaker 7: to the fore Peter. It's been noted that some of
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Speaker 7: those upwards movements, things like particular food items are a
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Speaker 7: little bit more seasonal, but those structural issues of energy
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Speaker 7: prices and of housing as well insurance, as the other
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Speaker 7: one that's remained stubborn for so many years, stubbornly high.
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Speaker 7: Anyone who's got a housing insurance, home insurance, or living
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Speaker 7: in a potential bushfire or flood zone will know the
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Speaker 7: pressures of insurance and the premiums that they're having to pay.
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Speaker 7: So these are some of those structural problems, Peter that
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Speaker 7: are probably go much deeper than even some of the
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Speaker 7: reform that's on the table at the moment to try
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Speaker 7: and bring those costs down over the long term.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't forget car insurance. If you're down in Victoria,
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Speaker 2: car insurances up. Car theft, sorry, is up about fifty percent,
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Speaker 2: and that obviously has a bearing on everyone's premiums as well.
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Speaker 2: Have two quick ones before you go. Give me an
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Speaker 2: update on this T shirt gate, all this stuff about
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Speaker 2: the Joydavision T shirt, because it's sort of now less
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Speaker 2: about what the Prime Minister wore. Even though we know
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Speaker 2: he knew the link of Joydavision to the Nazis in
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Speaker 2: concentration camps, he's still wearing the T shirt. I think
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Speaker 2: he stands to be condemned. But it's now become basically
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Speaker 2: a story about Susan Lee's leadership, and just before you go,
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Speaker 2: anything you can tell us on those environmental laws.
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Speaker 3: Is there an update there.
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Speaker 7: A very quick one on the EPBC, Peter. So this
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Speaker 7: is coming before the House tomorrow. We know Labor has
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Speaker 7: the numbers. At the moment, the Coalition is not going
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Speaker 7: to pass it, but there's still working to get a
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Speaker 7: deal on it. We've had some more information. I've literally
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Speaker 7: just received a copy of the bill itself. It's about
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Speaker 7: fourteen hundred pages long, so I haven't been able to
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Speaker 7: go through all of it, but my understanding is there
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Speaker 7: are a few key areas that the Coalition is going
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Speaker 7: to suggest the government moves on. The only red line
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Speaker 7: for Labor is a climate trigger. They've ruled that out,
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Speaker 7: but there is room to move on every other aspect
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Speaker 7: of this bill. So I think what will play out, Peter,
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Speaker 7: is this will go through the House tomorrow, Labor will
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Speaker 7: send it to a brief Senate inquiry, will then come
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Speaker 7: back before the end of the year in that final
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Speaker 7: sitting week, and between now and then is when they're
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Speaker 7: going to try and hash a deal out with the coalition.
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Speaker 7: And the way it's been put to me by both
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Speaker 7: sides is that they all agree there is room where
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Speaker 7: they can come together and get a deal done that
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Speaker 7: nothing is insurmountable. So I think the Greens have dealt
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Speaker 7: themselves out of this by sticking to calls for a
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Speaker 7: climate trigger. It won't happen tomorrow, but I think we
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Speaker 7: can now expect a deal to be done by the
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Speaker 7: end of the year.
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Speaker 3: And Susan Lee and the T shirt.
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Speaker 7: Well, she thinks the Prime Minister should apologize. And for
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Speaker 7: all the questions we've asked Peter, not one of her
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Speaker 7: colleagues has back to in directly. Yet, even Ted O'Brien today,
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Speaker 7: I think I asked him seven or eight times, do
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Speaker 7: you just repeat that call that Susan He said Anthony
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Speaker 7: Alberneze should apologize, and he wouldn't do that. So we
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Speaker 7: saw it with Kevin Rudd where she went out on
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Speaker 7: a limb and said that the Prime Minister should sack
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Speaker 7: him and wasn't backed in by her colleagues. It seems
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Speaker 7: to have happened again, Peter, and there is a suggestion
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Speaker 7: that perhaps this was a captain's call where she thought
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Speaker 7: she had more support on that than she actually does.
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Speaker 2: I think she would have learned from the first one.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Thank you, Cam all right, lots
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Speaker 2: of other issues to get across. Joining me now my panel,
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Speaker 2: Senior reporter Karlyon Marcus and National Affairs editor at the
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Speaker 2: David Telegraph Sky on his host, of course, James Morrow.
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Speaker 2: Let's go James to the government's ten billion dollar housing
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Speaker 2: future fund.
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Speaker 3: They call it not much of a future.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be investigated by the National Audit Office.
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Speaker 2: They are independent, so bring this on. Let them go
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Speaker 2: through the books. It's been an abject failure. It was
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Speaker 2: supposed to build forty thousand homes new homes by twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty eight. Well by June the end of the financial year,
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Speaker 2: it's built equid of just eight median priced homes in
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Speaker 2: terms of the Sydney market, but it hasn't even built them.
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Speaker 2: It has bought homes.
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Speaker 6: Overall.
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Speaker 2: It's supposed to delive at one point two million homes.
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Speaker 2: But if we've only got eight so far, adding all
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Speaker 2: the stories about you know, c IFMAU, alleged corruption and
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Speaker 2: everything else, I think this is itself a corruption inquiry.
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Speaker 6: Well it's funny, Peter, because if you do the mass
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Speaker 6: on their target of what is it a million homes,
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Speaker 6: and then you you divide that with the eight that
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Speaker 6: they've actually built, you get the exact same number of
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Speaker 6: degrees that going to that zero in Australia would lower
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Speaker 6: the global temperature. So you know, the numbers alt just
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Speaker 6: simply don't stack up here. But the thing is this
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Speaker 6: was entirely predictable. And I was saying when they announced
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Speaker 6: the house in Austrilia Future Fund back, you know, years ago,
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Speaker 6: and they said this is what we're going to do,
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Speaker 6: that this was going to be a debacle, nothing was
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Speaker 6: going to happen, and it was going to end in tears.
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Speaker 6: And the example that we have from this is right
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Speaker 6: across the ditch in New Zealand, where they tried this
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Speaker 6: program called he We Build Now had a similar sort
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Speaker 6: of vibe, similar flavor governments building affordable housing for New
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Speaker 6: Zealanders that was supposed to build I think one hundred
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Speaker 6: thousand homes, a smaller population, and by the end of
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Speaker 6: the program, and just said to our DERN finally decided
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Speaker 6: that this was a complete dode. They had built one
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Speaker 6: hundred and forty eight. So every single time the government
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Speaker 6: tries to meddle in housing markets like this, it simply
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Speaker 6: doesn't work. So the inquiry is going to wind up
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Speaker 6: telling us I think a lot of things that we
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Speaker 6: already knew that the government simply should not meddle in
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Speaker 6: these areas and every area, by the way, we were
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Speaker 6: talking about inflation numbers before. Every area of the economy
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Speaker 6: that the government has meddled in, we have seen prices
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Speaker 6: go up. And I think this is one of those
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Speaker 6: great examples of you know, you're not helping guys. Step
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Speaker 6: back and think about what you tried to achieve here.
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Speaker 3: And stuff wise, day have money that us out of Queensland.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned it last night that Supreme Court decision yesterday
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Speaker 2: to overturn the state government's freeze on puberty blockers and
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Speaker 2: hormone treatment for children. Well, as soon as the judgment
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Speaker 2: came down, almost immediately the Queensland Health Minister reinstated the ban.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 8: So the government's concerned to make sure that the services
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Speaker 8: that are provided are in the best interests of children,
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Speaker 8: and we believe that that is a very strong public interest.
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Speaker 8: It's important that the government has an overview of what
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Speaker 8: is in the best interests of children in this state.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Caro, They're not mucky around with
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Speaker 2: the safety of kids in Queensland.
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Speaker 9: Are they They're certainly not, and good on them. I
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Speaker 9: think there's a lot of premiers and ministers around the
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Speaker 9: country that should take note of this. The Minister reintroduced
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Speaker 9: the ban for public interest reasons and fair enough, let's
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Speaker 9: remind ourselves why it was brought in in the first
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Speaker 9: place back in January, and that's because of revelations that
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Speaker 9: children as young as twelve were being prescribed puberty blockers
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Speaker 9: at a clinic in Cans without parental consent or proper
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Speaker 9: medical oversight. I mean, that is outrageous, as young as twelve,
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Speaker 9: and in this case before the Supreme Court, it was
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Speaker 9: the mother of a fourteen year old now fourteen, but
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Speaker 9: was only nine or ten when she was diagnosed with
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Speaker 9: gender dysphoria.
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Speaker 3: So I mean, we're talking about.
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Speaker 9: Young children here, and it has now been proven that
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Speaker 9: puberty blockers can have a lifelong impact on these children's health.
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Speaker 9: We're talking about impacting their fertility, bone density, even their
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Speaker 9: ability to enjoy sex when they reach adulthood.
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Speaker 4: Like this is not a.
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Speaker 9: Trivial decision to experiment with their This has lifelong impacts
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Speaker 9: and of course it's a gateway to other sort of
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Speaker 9: gender affirming care like surgery, where kids that are more
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Speaker 9: likely young adults are having perfectly healthy body parts hacked off.
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Speaker 9: So and not only that, but the research is now
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Speaker 9: showing that it doesn't actually have necessarily a positive impact
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Speaker 9: on their mental health, which is the reason that advocates
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Speaker 9: have been blackmailing politicians and critics about not opposing this
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Speaker 9: kind of gender affirma care that it might not actually
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Speaker 9: stop suicidal ideation in these children. So I think it's
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Speaker 9: also important to remind people that this Supreme Court decision
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Speaker 9: was not because the judge was making some kind of
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Speaker 9: verdict on this pause itself. It was all about a
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Speaker 9: legal process, and the judge made that very clear. The
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Speaker 9: proceedings are not about the merits of this freeze on
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Speaker 9: puberty blockers, but just about the legal process that went
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Speaker 9: into the decision in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Well said, Well said, let's go to another blow to
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's nuclear pig headedness. This one's a good one, James.
21:12
Speaker 2: The Trump administration has just struck a new eighty billion
21:16
Speaker 2: dollar deal to massive expand nuclear power in the United States,
21:22
Speaker 2: And you know, you're adding the fact that Bill Gates
21:24
Speaker 2: today has gone out there has written an essay and
21:27
Speaker 2: he says the quote the doomsday view of climate change
21:30
Speaker 2: has got to stop. He says, we've got to stop
21:33
Speaker 2: focusing too too much on near term emissions goals. Are
21:39
Speaker 2: we finally seeing some rational sense in.
21:41
Speaker 6: This debate, Well, we're seeing rational sense of the northern hemisphere.
21:45
Speaker 6: And you know, it's pretty interesting to note that Bill Gates,
21:48
Speaker 6: once we've realized how much energy all of these new
21:51
Speaker 6: AI data centers is going to consume, suddenly says, maybe
21:55
Speaker 6: we don't need to worry about the energy of the
21:56
Speaker 6: climate thing. We actually just need to worry about getting
21:58
Speaker 6: enough electrons through to power all of these data centers, which,
22:02
Speaker 6: of course he'll have a huge stake in. America is
22:05
Speaker 6: really going through a nuclear renaissance. And it is not
22:07
Speaker 6: just one hundred and twenty one billion dollar announcement that
22:11
Speaker 6: the Trump administration made. It's all of these data companies,
22:14
Speaker 6: you know, who are all looking at getting their own
22:17
Speaker 6: small modular reactors to power their own data centers. It's
22:20
Speaker 6: a Pentagon saying we are going to be looking at
22:24
Speaker 6: powering our bases with nuclear reactors to make sure that
22:27
Speaker 6: they are independent from the grid, to make sure that
22:29
Speaker 6: they have energy sovereignty. This is absolutely huge and we
22:34
Speaker 6: see how America is really on the cuspand we're already
22:36
Speaker 6: seeing it now of pulling well ahead of America in
22:40
Speaker 6: terms of you know, wealth and prosperity and technology and
22:45
Speaker 6: Australia I really hate to say this is being left
22:48
Speaker 6: terribly behind by what you say, quite rightly is pig
22:51
Speaker 6: headedness on the part of Chris Bowen, but also labor
22:55
Speaker 6: and frankly a lot of people on the Coalition side
22:57
Speaker 6: as well.
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Speaker 2: It's that time of year, Caroline, the Astoran Research Council
23:03
Speaker 2: releases some of their grants for the new twenty twenty
23:06
Speaker 2: six year. As always I think we're scratching our heads
23:09
Speaker 2: because this is such an abject waste of taxpayers money. Yes,
23:14
Speaker 2: there are some good ones to medical and scientific research.
23:17
Speaker 3: I play credit to that.
23:18
Speaker 2: But one of the grants is to reimagine public toilets
23:22
Speaker 2: with quote a diverse with a focus on diverse socio
23:26
Speaker 2: values and cultural needs, almost four hundred thousand dollars to
23:31
Speaker 2: look at how the ancient Greeks dealt with grief. You
23:34
Speaker 2: can buy a book at the bookshop and then buy
23:37
Speaker 2: one of the classics. It will tell you everything you
23:39
Speaker 2: need to know. Three hundred thousand is a good one.
23:42
Speaker 2: Three hundred thousand dollars to write the first global history
23:45
Speaker 2: of hysterectomy. Now tell you what that last one. That's
23:49
Speaker 2: a grant to the University of Western Sydney. And I
23:52
Speaker 2: bet if you went out there with a camera crew
23:54
Speaker 2: tomorrow that university could not even tell you what the
23:57
Speaker 2: definition of a woman is. So why spend three hundred
23:59
Speaker 2: thousand dollars writing a history about a hysterectomy?
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Speaker 9: You're so right, Peter, and it would be funny until
24:07
Speaker 9: we remind ourselves that this is our tax payer money
24:10
Speaker 9: that they're paying for this ridiculous research with, and then
24:13
Speaker 9: it becomes very depressing and outrageous. A couple of the
24:16
Speaker 9: other ones worth pointing out five hundred and eighty thousand
24:18
Speaker 9: dollars to study how the drums playing the drums can
24:22
Speaker 9: help the elderly and the Australian National University three hundred
24:26
Speaker 9: and fifty thousand dollars again on women studying women's handwriting.
24:31
Speaker 9: But this one really got my attention. Nine hundred thousand
24:34
Speaker 9: dollars for the University of Sydney to examine discreetness bias
24:38
Speaker 9: whatever that means more academic jargon, something about sexuality, race
24:43
Speaker 9: and mental health. Maybe that university, though, should look at
24:48
Speaker 9: indiscreet bias because of their own academics have now shown
24:51
Speaker 9: themselves to be anti Semites and they've got a real
24:55
Speaker 9: problem on campus. So I think that money could maybe
24:57
Speaker 9: be better spent there.
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Speaker 2: Imagine what pensioners could do with that money. You know
25:03
Speaker 2: you want good bang fearbuck. Give that money to pensioners
25:07
Speaker 2: and let them spend that wisely. I'll leave it there,
25:09
Speaker 2: both of you.
25:09
Speaker 3: Thank you.
25:10
Speaker 10: Now.
25:10
Speaker 2: That is something that's really going to upset the pro
25:12
Speaker 2: renewables lobby today. The Institute of Public Affairs has launched
25:15
Speaker 2: its new renewables Rejection Database and it reveals in black
25:20
Speaker 2: and white the vast number of community groups that oppose
25:23
Speaker 2: large scale renewable energy projects across regional Australia. Now, as
25:28
Speaker 2: of tonight, there is something like one hundred and fifty
25:31
Speaker 2: projects on this database where locals reject them, and this
25:36
Speaker 2: number set to grow. Chris Born commits to going even
25:39
Speaker 2: harder to meet his failing twenty thirty targets, joining me
25:43
Speaker 2: in our research fellow at the IPA Mea Schlitt to
25:46
Speaker 2: talk us through this work. Well, it's hard to dispute
25:49
Speaker 2: the facts, Mayor. And once you have this database and
25:52
Speaker 2: we can all get on there and have a look
25:53
Speaker 2: at it and search it, you're brought together in one place,
25:57
Speaker 2: a wholesale list of communities that are saying absolutely not,
26:01
Speaker 2: we do not want these projects to change our communities
26:04
Speaker 2: and our landscape forever.
26:07
Speaker 3: I think this is a very important project.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks for having me on, Peter. That's exactly right.
26:13
Speaker 10: I mean, for too long we've had pro renewable groups
26:16
Speaker 10: spinning this narrative that are opposition to renewable energy projects
26:21
Speaker 10: are somehow isolated or they're fringe. And what we've done
26:25
Speaker 10: our experience on the ground from the IPA and as
26:27
Speaker 10: you've seen are visiting these vraiginal communities, that's just not
26:31
Speaker 10: the case. There are farmers and landholders all across the
26:34
Speaker 10: country who are furious about the net zero policy and
26:38
Speaker 10: the way the rollout is affecting their lands, and they're
26:41
Speaker 10: banding together to stand up and say enough is enough.
26:44
Speaker 10: And for too long we've had groups in the inner
26:47
Speaker 10: city advocating for these ideological goals to achieve net zero.
26:51
Speaker 10: But it's all well and good to say, when these
26:53
Speaker 10: projects aren't being built in their backyard, they're not having
26:56
Speaker 10: transmission towers constructed against across their land. And when you
27:00
Speaker 10: put these groups together, you can see this opposition is
27:03
Speaker 10: not isolated. It's national, and it's growing and it's organized.
27:09
Speaker 2: All right, So you've got a good appreciation of the
27:11
Speaker 2: grassroots opposition. What would your advice be the Liberals, because
27:14
Speaker 2: they're going to need to discuss this very issue on Friday.
27:16
Speaker 3: What would you say to them?
27:18
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, we know the coalitions are meeting this week
27:20
Speaker 10: to decide a position on net zero, and what I
27:23
Speaker 10: would say is that, look, the Australians have not Australians
27:26
Speaker 10: have not had an opportunity to have their say on
27:29
Speaker 10: its net zero. We've had bipartisan support for net zero
27:32
Speaker 10: at the last two elections, and the last two federal
27:36
Speaker 10: elections the coalition has lost in a landslide. Australians do
27:40
Speaker 10: not get behind net zero, we pold them and seventy
27:43
Speaker 10: nine percent of Australians said that affordability and reliability should
27:47
Speaker 10: be the main focus of our energy policy, not net zero.
27:51
Speaker 10: So I would remind these MPs who are meeting this
27:53
Speaker 10: week that many of these regional communities form their constituents
27:57
Speaker 10: and it's important to make sure that their voices and
27:59
Speaker 10: their opinions are brought to the table.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly remind us how many of them are
28:06
Speaker 2: foreign owned. Talk about wind and talk about Solin Maya.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, We've done some research the IPA to look at
28:12
Speaker 10: just how many of these projects are foreign owned, and
28:15
Speaker 10: the numbers are quite shocking. Altogether, about seventy five percent
28:20
Speaker 10: of these projects are foreign owned. And what many Australians
28:23
Speaker 10: do not realize is that they are the ones propping
28:26
Speaker 10: up these foreign earned companies through a river of subsidies
28:29
Speaker 10: that they pay for on hidden charges on their electricity bills.
28:33
Speaker 10: So we have Australians crying about for lower power prices
28:37
Speaker 10: and at the same time the bills are increasing because
28:39
Speaker 10: of their zero and because of these policies that are
28:42
Speaker 10: going to line the pockets of foreign owned companies.
28:47
Speaker 2: You're not wrong, and they sweep in and get the subsidies.
28:50
Speaker 2: The company sells on the project, the next one who
28:53
Speaker 2: gets the subsidies and they sell it on again. It
28:55
Speaker 2: is a money making scheme for these companies. They are
28:57
Speaker 2: not there all the way through through life of these
29:00
Speaker 2: projects and it's got to break hearts in the country
29:03
Speaker 2: and break farms to thank you miya or it After
29:05
Speaker 2: the break, the cease white fire in Gaza?
29:08
Speaker 3: Is it over?
29:09
Speaker 2: Is rather launch severe strikes? The US says no, it's
29:13
Speaker 2: not and the new Japanese Prime minister. People are saying
29:17
Speaker 2: that she is Asia's Margaret Thatcher. I hope, so we'll
29:20
Speaker 2: ask bread Sheridan in a moment Alo backs feel the
29:27
Speaker 2: come the shocking revelations about just how widespread child abuse
29:30
Speaker 2: has become within Australia's childcare sector has more and more
29:34
Speaker 2: parents say they want choice about how their children are
29:37
Speaker 2: cared for. But first, Donald Trump's visit to Tokyo has
29:40
Speaker 2: reset strained US Japanese relations with the with the President
29:46
Speaker 2: praising the new Prime Minister Sanatakawachi and reaffirming a united
29:51
Speaker 2: front against China's growing influence.
29:55
Speaker 3: Joining me now.
29:55
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan from The Australian, of course foreign editor, I
29:59
Speaker 2: said before the break, people are saying that she's Asia's
30:03
Speaker 2: Margaret Thatcher.
30:04
Speaker 3: Greg.
30:04
Speaker 2: We know that she was a protege of the Lakes
30:06
Speaker 2: PM Shinzo Ahby, So what can you tell us You've
30:10
Speaker 2: had a good look at it about the new PM.
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Speaker 4: Well, she's a great to be with you, Peter. She's
30:16
Speaker 4: a great and distinctive change in Japanese politics. She's not
30:21
Speaker 4: only the first woman. She's a tough, hardline conservative. She
30:25
Speaker 4: certainly was a protege of Shinzo Abbe. She is a
30:31
Speaker 4: hawk on defense matters. She is immediately raising Japan's defense
30:35
Speaker 4: spending to two percent of its GDP. Now, Japan's GDP
30:39
Speaker 4: is vastly, vastly greater than Australia's, So here is another nation,
30:44
Speaker 4: unlike Australia, the only laggard in the whole world. It
30:47
Speaker 4: seems massively increasing defense expenditure, and of course it has
30:51
Speaker 4: very lethal and powerful defense forces. I wish we'd just
30:55
Speaker 4: stuck with the Japanese submarines as Tony Abbott wanted. She's
30:59
Speaker 4: a China hawk, and she wants to revive the Japanese
31:04
Speaker 4: dynamism in its economy and its society. So she's only
31:07
Speaker 4: just begun, but she's begun absolutely the right way, and
31:11
Speaker 4: she's done the right thing. She's nominated Donald Trump for
31:14
Speaker 4: the Nobel Peace Prize. Sort of vacuous and silly, but
31:17
Speaker 4: it means something to Trump, and so she's going to
31:21
Speaker 4: go all out to make Japan strong, to strengthen the
31:25
Speaker 4: alliance with the US and with Australia and others, and
31:28
Speaker 4: to be a very formidable competitor to China.
31:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's vacuous and silly. We don't
31:36
Speaker 2: think it's vacuous and silly when the left climb alay
31:38
Speaker 2: of these prizes.
31:38
Speaker 3: So I think if he can, I do.
31:40
Speaker 4: Think it's vaculous. I do think it's when I do
31:46
Speaker 4: think it's utterly vacuous.
31:48
Speaker 2: Will first fair, Then good on you, Greg that you're
31:51
Speaker 2: even handed with your derision.
31:52
Speaker 3: We like to see that.
31:54
Speaker 2: Just on that point, when I mentioned then the Gaza
31:57
Speaker 2: cease fire, there's been some retel hits by.
32:00
Speaker 3: The IDF in the area.
32:03
Speaker 2: Jd Vance was asked about this today and says, does
32:05
Speaker 2: this mean that the ceasefire is over? He says, no,
32:08
Speaker 2: these are skirmishes. The ceasefire is holding. Give us your
32:13
Speaker 2: sense of things, well, Peter.
32:15
Speaker 4: I've always been very pessimistic about this. I think Trump
32:18
Speaker 4: deserves great credit for bringing about the ceasefire, and the
32:22
Speaker 4: peace plan that he has is an excellent peace plan.
32:25
Speaker 4: If it were implemented, it would be the best news
32:28
Speaker 4: the residents of Gaza have had in decades, but Hummas
32:33
Speaker 4: plainly still controls the territory that Israel has withdrawn from.
32:39
Speaker 4: It doesn't care how many Garzans have been killed, and
32:42
Speaker 4: it shows no sign of disarming. So, you know, despite JD. Vans,
32:47
Speaker 4: whom I respect and everything, and despite what Trump's plan
32:52
Speaker 4: to work, no plan is being implemented. Hummas hasn't disarmed
32:56
Speaker 4: as it was supposed to. There's no sign of an
33:00
Speaker 4: international stabilization force taking place, there's no sign of an
33:04
Speaker 4: interim Palestinian administration. These things may come about, but Hamas
33:09
Speaker 4: has been murdering Palestinians who oppose it from the day
33:12
Speaker 4: of the Sea Spire, and Hamas and the Israeli Defense
33:16
Speaker 4: Force are back killing each other. So I think it's
33:22
Speaker 4: still much better than before the Seaspire, much better. Israel
33:25
Speaker 4: has withdrawn to well defensible lines, and it's a lot
33:30
Speaker 4: of aid is getting through, so people aren't going as
33:32
Speaker 4: hungry and so forth. That's all an improvement. But it's
33:36
Speaker 4: very hard to see how this, and certainly, without wishing
33:39
Speaker 4: to sound like I'm anti Trump in any way, it's
33:42
Speaker 4: hard to see how this represents eternal peace forever and
33:45
Speaker 4: a new Middle East.
33:49
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to ask you about the imminent
33:51
Speaker 2: enclosure of Tommic Goo Smelter, because in all this debate
33:54
Speaker 2: about heavy industry in Australia, we're looking at the economic
33:59
Speaker 2: hit if the business was to leave and the knock
34:01
Speaker 2: on effect then to Allied heavy industry, other people that
34:05
Speaker 2: rely on the aluminium that smelted there, and we also
34:08
Speaker 2: then talk.
34:09
Speaker 3: About the emissions.
34:10
Speaker 2: But I never lose sight of the fact that if
34:13
Speaker 2: we are in these challenging security times, if we can't
34:18
Speaker 2: make big steel products in Australia, if we can't do
34:21
Speaker 2: heavy smelting, if we don't have this heavy industry manufacturing capability,
34:27
Speaker 2: well I think we are are absolutely harming out national
34:30
Speaker 2: security as much as anything else. And I think that's
34:34
Speaker 2: an underrated aspect of this whole debate.
34:36
Speaker 4: Greg, You're absolutely right. I mean, this country is in
34:40
Speaker 4: a disastrous strategic situation. The ABC Media watch was having
34:44
Speaker 4: a government the other night for being a bit too
34:46
Speaker 4: tough on the Albanza government. But look at it. We
34:50
Speaker 4: have d industrialized. We've got nowhere on building a strategic
34:55
Speaker 4: fleet of civilian vessels which we can commandeer in war.
35:00
Speaker 4: We've got nowhere on getting fuel security, We've still got
35:02
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks reserves. What manufacturing industry whatever locate
35:08
Speaker 4: in Australia. Given, as the BHP boss said the other day,
35:12
Speaker 4: our energy costs are one hundred percent bigger higher than
35:15
Speaker 4: the US and two hundred percent higher than Canada and
35:18
Speaker 4: a number of other countries. All of our smelters and
35:22
Speaker 4: refineries exist only on government subsidy, so our basic wealth
35:27
Speaker 4: derives from iron ore, coal and gas, none of which
35:31
Speaker 4: we'd be allowed to export under a net zero scenario.
35:35
Speaker 4: We have skyrocketing, crazy energy prices, even though we're going
35:39
Speaker 4: to renewables, which are alleged to be the cheapest new
35:42
Speaker 4: energy source. Nothing in this country makes any sense. We're
35:46
Speaker 4: not producing our own defense equipment. Our manufacturing industry is
35:50
Speaker 4: a tiny shadow of what it once was, and what
35:53
Speaker 4: remains all exists on government subsidies. The Albanza government's answer
35:57
Speaker 4: to everything is government subsidies. But Margaret Thatcher said the
36:01
Speaker 4: problem is with socialism you eventually run out of other
36:04
Speaker 4: people's money. We're living way beyond our means. We can't afford.
36:07
Speaker 4: We can't afford, so it's a terrible mess. I mean,
36:10
Speaker 4: I guess the government will keep trying to subsidize these firms.
36:16
Speaker 4: But Rio's absolutely right to say, unless it gets long
36:20
Speaker 4: term affordable energy, then it's going to need constant government grants,
36:24
Speaker 4: not an emergency a waiver, and there's no sign at
36:28
Speaker 4: all that we're going to get competitive energy prices.
36:32
Speaker 3: Thank you for that common sense, Greg.
36:34
Speaker 2: I think we absolutely got to keep putting national security
36:36
Speaker 2: alongside economic security in this debate.
36:39
Speaker 3: Thank you.
36:40
Speaker 2: That's gone out of a bill that's been debated in
36:42
Speaker 2: the Parliament. It relates to the eligibility criteria. This is
36:45
Speaker 2: Federal Parliament for the Stillborn Baby payment. This is to
36:49
Speaker 2: parents who've had to endure the loss of an infant.
36:53
Speaker 3: But read the fine print. It includes making this.
36:57
Speaker 2: Payment to the case of intentional abortion, which obviously because
37:03
Speaker 2: the baby has to be still born to have the payment,
37:07
Speaker 2: we're talking about taxpayers funding a payment after an intentional
37:13
Speaker 2: late term abortion. Now, several Coalition MPs have come out
37:18
Speaker 2: very strongly on this issue, and I'm joined now by
37:20
Speaker 2: one of the fiercest campaigners in the ring on the issue,
37:23
Speaker 2: doctor Joanna Howe. Joanna, I think all of us our
37:28
Speaker 2: hearts go out to anyone who is the parents of
37:31
Speaker 2: a stillborn baby, right, And I think that's how Labor
37:35
Speaker 2: sold this legislation as an act of compassion. I'm not
37:40
Speaker 2: compassionate though, when I see that cash payment for an
37:44
Speaker 2: intentional late term abortion.
37:48
Speaker 3: Now, have I got that wrong?
37:52
Speaker 11: No, you're exactly right. So at the moment, the Albanesi
37:55
Speaker 11: government already allows women who have late term abortions, so
37:59
Speaker 11: they have an intentional stillborn they already can access government
38:03
Speaker 11: funded paid parental leave.
38:04
Speaker 9: This has been.
38:05
Speaker 11: Confirmed by two ministers this year, Minister Katie Gallagher and
38:09
Speaker 11: Minister Jenny McAllister. So the Albanezi government already makes women eligible.
38:14
Speaker 11: If they have a late term abortion, they've intentionally killed
38:16
Speaker 11: their child, they are eligible for twenty two thousand dollars
38:18
Speaker 11: of tax pay a fund of money. Now the Albanezi government,
38:21
Speaker 11: through Priya's bill, they're using that tragedy to forced through
38:25
Speaker 11: their own ideological agenda. This now forces employers to pay
38:29
Speaker 11: employer funded paid parental leave for intentional late term abortion.
38:33
Speaker 11: So if you think about someone of my salary, for example,
38:36
Speaker 11: I work at the University of Adelaide. If I was
38:39
Speaker 11: to have an intentional late term abortion, my employer would
38:41
Speaker 11: have to pay one hundred thousand dollars at six months
38:45
Speaker 11: because I had a late term abortion for a baby
38:47
Speaker 11: that I intentionally killed. So that is an absolute joke
38:52
Speaker 11: of a situation, and it's just it's so monstrously wrong.
38:56
Speaker 11: It doesn't pass the pub test and I think Australians
38:58
Speaker 11: would be shocked to see private employers now having to
39:02
Speaker 11: put the bill for this.
39:05
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a carb, but what would
39:09
Speaker 2: be the impediment to someone who financially wants a win
39:15
Speaker 2: fall to deliberately get pregnant and then deliberately have a
39:20
Speaker 2: late term abortion because that's provided on the taxpayer and
39:24
Speaker 2: pick up the pay pernal leave, pick up these payments.
39:29
Speaker 2: We know very very sadly that in some ethnic groups
39:33
Speaker 2: in Australia we're seeing a decrease in live births of
39:38
Speaker 2: female children and more male children. We know that when
39:42
Speaker 2: you get an ultrasound now you can find out the
39:44
Speaker 2: gender of a child. Are we perhaps going to fund
39:48
Speaker 2: as taxpayers the unthinkable?
39:52
Speaker 11: Look, this is just shocking and the problem is most
39:55
Speaker 11: Australians don't know about it. I'm so grateful to Andrew
39:59
Speaker 11: Hasty Joys in Tiny Passon for bringing this up today
40:02
Speaker 11: because Australia has abortioned up to birth for any reason.
40:05
Speaker 11: In South Australia, where I'm from, seventy five percent of
40:07
Speaker 11: late term abortions after twenty three weeks kill healthy babies.
40:11
Speaker 11: A Edith Calent study in New South Wales and WA
40:13
Speaker 11: of two point one million births shows that there's a
40:16
Speaker 11: real crisis of sex selective abortion happening in those two
40:19
Speaker 11: states in certain ethnic communities. So the problem here that
40:23
Speaker 11: we face with Baby Priors Bill is the Albanzi government
40:26
Speaker 11: has failed to answer Andrew Hasty's question. Andrew asked the
40:29
Speaker 11: question in the House of Reps today and he said,
40:32
Speaker 11: can you please exclude babies who are intentionally killed from
40:37
Speaker 11: this employer funded paperennal leaf. He said, this shouldn't be
40:40
Speaker 11: something that employers should have to fund to give money
40:44
Speaker 11: to women who have intentionally killed their baby. They shouldn't
40:46
Speaker 11: be eligible for employer funded paiperen a leave. It actually
40:49
Speaker 11: is an insult to Baby Prex's mum and dad, to
40:52
Speaker 11: any woman who has tragically lost a baby through a
40:54
Speaker 11: steel birth for the alban Ezy government to turn around
40:57
Speaker 11: and say that a natural steel birth is the same
41:00
Speaker 11: thing as an intentional stillborn where a baby has been
41:02
Speaker 11: intentionally injected with poison. It's just such an insult to
41:06
Speaker 11: Australian women.
41:09
Speaker 2: There are any chance that you can get some amendments
41:11
Speaker 2: made to the Senate to ensure this won't happen.
41:17
Speaker 11: Look, I think if there's a big enough of an outcry,
41:21
Speaker 11: then we could do that. I know that Pauline Hanson,
41:23
Speaker 11: alexanderk They're planning to bring in some sensible amendments that
41:27
Speaker 11: just simply say Baby Priya's Bill excludes babies that have
41:31
Speaker 11: been intentionally killed by Ania by a late term abortion.
41:34
Speaker 11: And so it's a very simple amendment, but it is
41:36
Speaker 11: something that I think every Australian would get behind, and
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Speaker 11: I'm really hopeful that people can get behind that. Go
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Speaker 11: to my website and hopefully we can pass that tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: All right, I'll make sure that goes after the break.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe, thank you for coming on the program there,
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Speaker 2: doctor Joanna Howe.
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Speaker 3: After the break.
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Speaker 2: It it's shocking. That means, isn't it shocking? Get on
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Speaker 2: the phone ring your politicians tomorrow. Let them have a
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Speaker 2: peace of your mind.
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Speaker 3: All right? Up the rate the Conversary.
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Speaker 2: Remarks from Minister Mark Butler to parents who just want
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Speaker 2: choice in childcare. The opposition today is calling for safety
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Speaker 2: to be a top priority in childcare. The College in
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Speaker 2: demanding that the Albanezer government support there is to strengthen
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Speaker 2: the sentencing regime for child offenders. And it comes after
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Speaker 2: the ABC four Corners report revealing shocking allegations of pedophiles
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Speaker 2: infiltrating Australian childcare centers.
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Speaker 12: Our investigation identified one hundred and forty eight childcare workers
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Speaker 12: alleged or convicted of child sexual abuse or inappropriate conduct.
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Speaker 12: Forty two are convicted right now, fourteen of facing charges
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Speaker 12: like twenty six year old Joshua Brown accused of seventy
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Speaker 12: three offenses including sexually penetrating children. There's another nineteen for
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Speaker 12: some court, some band, some got away with it and
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Speaker 12: we can't tell you who they are.
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Speaker 2: This is horrific and that's one of the reasons why
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Speaker 2: an advocacy group called four Parents one urgent changes to
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Speaker 2: the childcare subsidies to give parents parents the driver's seat
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Speaker 2: and gives them greater flexibility for care options. Joining me
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Speaker 2: is their spokesman Jen Flemy. Well, Jen, what's your reaction
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Speaker 2: to what we saw on four Corners?
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Speaker 13: Hi Peter thank you for having me on the show.
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Speaker 13: I think my reaction is very similar to the reaction
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Speaker 13: of all Australians, not just parents, and that is complete
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Speaker 13: and utter disgust. The fact that our most vulnerable people,
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Speaker 13: our children, and for parents, their most precious people, are
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Speaker 13: being put into childcare centers where they are at such
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Speaker 13: a high risk of having been exposed to a pedophile
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Speaker 13: is a national crisis and I think it's really time
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Speaker 13: that the government has to act.
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Speaker 2: Parents get so few choices though, that's part of the problem.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people say to me, I don't want
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Speaker 2: my kids to go into care. I don't want them
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Speaker 2: in a childcare center at six months of age or
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Speaker 2: a year old, but I don't have many options. That's
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Speaker 2: the problem.
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Speaker 13: We don't have any options. The only subsidized option for
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Speaker 13: parents right now is a childcare center or an approved
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Speaker 13: family daycare. That is the only thing that the government
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Speaker 13: recognizes as an.
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Speaker 3: Option for kids that need care.
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Speaker 13: And as you say, there are parents who don't want
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Speaker 13: to use childcare centers, but there are also parents who
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Speaker 13: cannot use childcare centers, whether that be because they live
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Speaker 13: rurally or remote, or there's a long wait list. But
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Speaker 13: also for kids with disabilities, kids with type one diabetes
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Speaker 13: who need twenty four to seven monitoring. There are so
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Speaker 13: many parents who are locked out of the system. They
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Speaker 13: can't return to work, and they're left with an either
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Speaker 13: or option. Do I go back to work and put
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Speaker 13: my child into a system that, quite rightly I don't trust,
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Speaker 13: Or do I stay home and stay out of the
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Speaker 13: workforce and my family goes backwards financially, which is a
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Speaker 13: very hard thing to do right now, is to go
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Speaker 13: down to one incumbent. I think families across Australia are
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Speaker 13: just desperately crying out for more choice. Yeah, we need
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Speaker 13: the government to recognize that we are the best people
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Speaker 13: to make decisions for our children. We as parents know
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Speaker 13: those kids best and the government should not be forcing
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Speaker 13: us into the model that they believe is best and
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Speaker 13: the model that they can't even guarantee their safety in.
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Speaker 2: Right now, what worries me is if you correlate the
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Speaker 2: mental health and harm of our kids and the fact
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Speaker 2: that we're falling behind on all the big milestones internationally
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Speaker 2: in terms of scholastic achievement, you marry that up with
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Speaker 2: institute forced institutional day care and childcare and most of
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Speaker 2: it is union run, most of it is for profit.
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Speaker 2: You can't tell me that those things happening at the
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Speaker 2: same time.
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Speaker 3: I just a coincidence jin this.
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Speaker 2: As a taxpayer, I would much prefer that money being
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Speaker 2: paid to parents and allow them to choose be at
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Speaker 2: mum or dad home for a bit longer, a nanny
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Speaker 2: or a grandparent. I'd much prefer that to be on
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Speaker 2: the table as a choice they make, or unionized childcare.
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Speaker 2: But I want a generation of Australians to come on
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Speaker 2: and go through school and eventually run the country, that
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Speaker 2: are mentally whole and get the best start in life.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's what the government's missing.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and what is missing from this conversation at a
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Speaker 13: government level is the fact that we're.
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Speaker 3: Talking about children.
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Speaker 13: We talk to The policies that have been made in
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Speaker 13: the reforms that have come about from the government have
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Speaker 13: been all influenced by unions, by childcare workers, and by childcare.
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Speaker 3: Owners and operators.
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Speaker 13: At no point where parents consulted about the most recent
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Speaker 13: reforms the government brought in. And you're right, there are
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Speaker 13: so many flow on effects when we talk about childcare policy.
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Speaker 13: There are things like even the birth rate we're seeing
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Speaker 13: the birth rate drop so significantly because people are scared
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Speaker 13: about being able to afford having children or having more children,
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Speaker 13: because they can't afford childcare, let alone afford an alternative,
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Speaker 13: whether that be staying home longer or having a nanny
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Speaker 13: or a grandparent that they have to pay for themselves.
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Speaker 13: So there are so many positives to giving parents that
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Speaker 13: driving choice in who's looking after their children, and also
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Speaker 13: those emotional benefits too. We know that in the first
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Speaker 13: few years of life, ninety percent of a person's emotional
47:32
Speaker 13: neural pathways are built. For a child who's being put
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Speaker 13: into a stressful situation, what's happening to their brain If
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Speaker 13: they're home with someone they know and trust, or in
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Speaker 13: a center where they know someone that they trust and
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Speaker 13: feel comfortable with, that has to be better for a
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Speaker 13: child than in a stressful situation where there are pedophiles
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Speaker 13: in childcare centers.
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Speaker 3: Not wrong, Jen, times against me, but I want you
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Speaker 3: to keep up.
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Speaker 2: The five is starting to cut through, and I really
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Speaker 2: hope that not just the Coalition but our other political
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Speaker 2: parties have for better options on the table come the
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Speaker 2: next election. I'll leave it there quick break after break.
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Speaker 2: Colvichin's all right, straight into it with the man in
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Speaker 2: a moment. Kel Richards, welcome Tony, one of our viewers,
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Speaker 2: and I love this word too, but praise but I
48:20
Speaker 2: don't know where it's come from. Wants to know the
48:22
Speaker 2: origins of Diddley's squat.
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Speaker 14: American, not British. I always thought of this is being British,
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Speaker 14: but now it comes from America. First recorded nineteen sixty three,
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Speaker 14: The Oxford calls it are counting now on something that
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Speaker 14: means zero or nothing. Now, before nineteen sixty three, there
48:41
Speaker 14: was an earlier American expression that this appears to be
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Speaker 14: a variation on. The earlier expression was Doodley squat, and
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Speaker 14: in that expression, Doodley was a I have to warn you,
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Speaker 14: a vulgar americanism to name what we teach our little
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Speaker 14: toddlers to call pooh, So not a nice expression in
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Speaker 14: that sense.
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Speaker 2: A monkey on your back. Helen wants to know where
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Speaker 2: do we get that one from.
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Speaker 14: We don't know exactly where from, except that it's an
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Speaker 14: image not popular till the nineteen sixties, of a very
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Speaker 14: angry monkey being on your back. It means having a
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Speaker 14: problem that you can't solve and you can't get rid of,
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Speaker 14: so it seems to have just arisen from that visual
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Speaker 14: image of an angry monkey clinging to your back and
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Speaker 14: refusing to get off. What amused me was there's an
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Speaker 14: American variation on it. The Americans things are really bad.
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Speaker 14: Will say I got a nine hundred pound gorilla on
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Speaker 14: my back?
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Speaker 3: They do too. What about Keeping Up with the Joneses?
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Speaker 14: Invented by an American cartoonist named Arthur Mohman. He wrote
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Speaker 14: a comic strip call Keeping Up with the Joneses nineteen
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Speaker 14: thirteen to nineteen forty, in which a family competed with
49:49
Speaker 14: their next door neighbors. So someone invented that one.
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Speaker 2: Beautiful excellent see you next week, Kel. That's it for me,
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Speaker 2: Have a lovely evening. Everyone res up thingst
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Speaker 4: Yeah,