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Is Paul Stanley Right About the KISS Sound? (2016 Archive) · Classic Metal Show

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hey guys, it's Matt Starr and you're watching CMS TV.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, do you want to stay on the music topics?
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: One more topic before we take another break?
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: I could do one or whatever.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: We'll do one more music topic.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: We'll take a break, and then we'll come back and do your music topic.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: How's that?
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds good to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Paul Stanley of KISS.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: He talks about vinyl, Spotify, and the injustice of the Internet.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, boy.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's hear it.
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  SPEAKER_00: No ace, no kiss.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: What?
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  SPEAKER_00: Fuck there.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, no they or no kiss.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's a battle cry.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Any member of KISS Army will instantly recognize.
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  SPEAKER_00: You wanted the best.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: You got the best.
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  SPEAKER_00: KISS!
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Need to argue that point.
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  SPEAKER_00: KISS has been unstoppable for over 40 years and counting,
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  SPEAKER_00: and they just upped their game yet again with KISS Rocks Vegas out
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  SPEAKER_00: on various formats by way of Eagle Vision,
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  SPEAKER_00: a live chronicle of the band's incendiary residency at the joint,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Hard Rock Hotel Casino in Las Vegas in November of 2014.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's been two years, and they're just getting that out now.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it takes a long time to get Tommy to sign off on his greatness.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's taken two years to get a DVD out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dude, there's a lot of work that has to go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Apparently.
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  SPEAKER_00: Holy shit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how, what do you think they rerecord these
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  SPEAKER_00: things in a day?
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but two years.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, look at Bob DelBandy and he sees turning those bitches out, you know, once a year now.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard live kiss on YouTube?
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  SPEAKER_01: That takes a lot of studio time to get Paul right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they just turned out a DVD of their residency at the joint at the Hard Rock Hotel
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  SPEAKER_00: and Casino in Las Vegas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next, you know, I heard for Christmas you can get the Vinnie Vincent tour footage.
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  SPEAKER_00: Technology has advanced to the point now where you can really be fully enveloped by
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  SPEAKER_00: and in the center of the chaos that can be kissed from time to time.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, who wrote this fucking bag of
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  SPEAKER_00: shit?
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  SPEAKER_00: This is somebody who's obviously a diehard Kiss fan.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no kidding.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tell Red to put down the pen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_00: Frontman,
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  SPEAKER_00: vocalist,
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  SPEAKER_00: guitarist,
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  SPEAKER_00: eternal star child Paul Stanley told digital trends of
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  SPEAKER_00: the Dolby Atmos Kiss Rocks Vegas experience.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, there's a lot of technology going into that.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of titling.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're going to have to update your home stereo to be able to play this thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no kidding.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your speakers will start smoking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just like Ace's guitar.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Tommy's guitar.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tommy doesn't do the smoke
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  SPEAKER_00: from what I understand.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take it from me.
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  SPEAKER_00: The full bore full channel assault of Kiss Rocks Vegas is most definitely
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  SPEAKER_00: the best experience by way of Blu-ray and the mega multi-channel Dolby Atmos option.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you can get the absolute complete effect of the set design and
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  SPEAKER_00: the band's always mind-boggling pyrotechnics and the glory
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  SPEAKER_00: of each Kiss member's chosen armor.
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  SPEAKER_00: God damn.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to come.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's sucking so much coffee.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: But see, here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's all well and fine if you have the most up-to-date 4K system or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you have an old,
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  SPEAKER_00: maybe something that's 5,
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  SPEAKER_00: 8, 10 years old, you're not going to get that full experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: How's that going to look on my laptop?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have a DVD player anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: That isn't helpful for everybody.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Do you still own a DVD player?
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: I have one.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: See, I don't even have one.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: I watch, like, now Bandian sent me his movies.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm yet to watch them because I have to watch on my laptop.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have a DVD player.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: I have actually the combo player, the DVD VHS player.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jeez, what year did you get that, 1979?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, I actually bought it in, I think it was like 2009.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not that old.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was LG.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were still making something for video, huh?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you could actually burn VHS tapes to DVD or just watch DVD on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you burn a DVD to a VHS?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't work that direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what purpose would that serve anyway?
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  SPEAKER_00: Dude, come on.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm lower end.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Hail and kill caller, you're on the air.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just ringing in to say that probably this KISS Rocks Vegas is probably
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  SPEAKER_02: the best live album or so-called live album that KISS have done in about 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you own it, Tim?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I bought it.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: You did?
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  SPEAKER_00: How long have you had it, and how do you listen or view it?
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  SPEAKER_02: It came in last week.
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  SPEAKER_02: I got it from Amazon UK,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I got the DVD, Blu-ray, And the audio CD, and there's also a bonus unplugged CD.
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  SPEAKER_00: So did you watch the whole thing, and how do you view it?
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  SPEAKER_00: What kind of a system do you see it?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, do you get this full-on effect that they're talking about, or what?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't own a Blu-ray player,
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  SPEAKER_02: so I just watch it on my laptop through the disk drives that I've got for my laptop.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'm actually more excited about the audio CD than anything else.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, how do you listen
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  SPEAKER_00: to that?
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you listen to that to get this full bombastic effect?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: I just put it into my iTunes and put it on my iPod and listen to it like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you're not listening to it on some kind of like a Bose system or something like that?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, I did just...
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: Bought a couple of Rocket fixes for my studio.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, not really, no.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I just think the album,
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  SPEAKER_02: because there's some songs that they haven't released on other live albums before
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  SPEAKER_02: that should have been released probably around the live three that weren't released.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's pretty cool, actually.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: do you think you're being shortchanged because you're not hearing this
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  SPEAKER_00: in its full fidelity like this writer is describing?
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  SPEAKER_02: I've seen Kiss live before.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like, I mean, when I went and saw Kiss and Motley Crue in 2013, I was front row.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how much more high fidelity he can get.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I guess what I'm trying to get to, Tim,
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  SPEAKER_00: is that what makes this the greatest live CD that Kiss has ever released,
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  SPEAKER_00: aside from including songs that you haven't previously owned?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, no, I didn't say that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said in the last 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, in the last 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, I'm glad you threw that in.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: For me, nothing will ever be Kiss Live 2.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's just phenomenal, that record.
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  SPEAKER_00: Chris, comment?
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  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: As far as Kiss Live goes, Kiss Live 2 is it.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, people talk about Kiss Live, but people love Kiss Live.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: I guess it depends what era of the band you love more,
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: and I just think Destroyer, Rock and Roll Over, and Love Gun were great records.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, anything that does not have Tommy Thayer on it probably sucked.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't agree with Jackal there either.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think Sonic Boom was pretty cool and Monster was okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't have an issue with all that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the thing I've had a major issue with is Paul Stanley's voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: So how many overdubs do you think they had to do for this release of this live disc, Tim?
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you have any guesses?
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think they're probably down tune the guitars
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: to about C.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: So where are you tonight listening to the CMS, Tim?
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: Are you at the soup kitchen?
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: Are you helping out the homeless or anything?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm sitting here at McDonald's again.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Handjob!
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's why Tim is always allowed to call.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: Do they have a glory hole in the men's restroom at the McDonald's, Tim?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: Is that why you go there so often?
• 9:52
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• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Tim, Tim, how far are you?
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Are you sitting down or are you by like the lines?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Are there people in line?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, there are.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Walk up to somebody,
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: get behind them in line,
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: and then just yell out, stop grabbing my package, I'm handicapped.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Stop grabbing my package, I'm handicapped.
• 10:59
  Wow.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: Geez.
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  SPEAKER_02: So good.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Hail and kill.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: There goes Tim.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Holy shit.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Stop grabbing my package.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm handicapped.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I can't believe he did it.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's funny.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's funny.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's for all you Tim haters out there.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Tim should get some points for that.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: That was good.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Holy smokes.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that just goes to show you why we like Tim.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: That was fantastic.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: All right,
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  SPEAKER_00: getting back to this real quick,
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: take it from me,
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  SPEAKER_00: the full bore,
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  SPEAKER_00: full channel assault of Kiss Rocks Vegas is most definitely best experienced by way
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  SPEAKER_00: of Blu-ray and mega multi-channel Dolby, blah, blah, blah.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Bassist vocalist,
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  SPEAKER_00: the demon himself,
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Gene Simmons, never fails to amaze with what he does and looks like on stage.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Especially the thunder of the songs like Detroit Rock City, Lick It Up, and Black Diamond.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: An additional Kiss acoustic set featuring
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: the stripped-down favorites like Christine 16,
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Hard Luck Woman, and Beth also show what guitarist Tommy Thayer...
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: And drummer Eric Singer, Bring to the Kiss Backline.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Want another opinion?
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Take it from Mickey Free,
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: the mixed blood Cherokee Comanche native American guitarist vocalist discovered.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my God, really?
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're celebrating diversity here.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Enough with these fucking descriptions.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: By Simmons and Stanley in the 70s who went on to play guitar with Shalimar
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: and Glam Punker's Crown of Thorns.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Faggot.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Faggot.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Stanley called Digital Trends rights before heading directly to
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: the band's recent gig in Bridgeport, Connecticut to discuss why KISS rocks Vegas.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Totally rocks in Dolby Atmos.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: What he feels the vinyl format is lacking and what it was like working
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: with original KISS Spaceman.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Guitarist Ace Freely again on his new solo album.
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  SPEAKER_00: Shout it out, shout it out, shout it out loud.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: do you think Ace actually or Paul Stanley actually quote unquote worked with Ace
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: or did he just record a vocal over some MP3 tracks Ace sent over?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think I read that they like did it in like
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: one day.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: They did it together?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: They do it together.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: They actually were in the same room?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think I read like Paul invited Peter out for like an afternoon or something.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Did you say Peter out?
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or not Peter, Ace, whatever, they're the same.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: They're all the same.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: One has been, another has been,
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: whatever.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: Digital Trends asks,
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: I've been watching the Kiss Rocks Vegas on Blu-ray and in Dolby,
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: so I think we have to modify a certain phrase of yours,
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: you wanted the best, you got Dolby Atmos.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: Paul Stanley documenting the show with flying drones.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: I got to admit that flying drone technology, that is really good.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: For recording?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: The clarity of the cameras that these little drones shoot is really amazing.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because that one video that Metal Church shot inside that cooling tower at
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: that decommissioned nuclear plant, they shot that all with drones.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: It has got, what, like stabilizer camera on it?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know,
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: you used to have to have like a boom and a,
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: you know, a high def camera and all this.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Now they got these little drones that just fly everywhere, you know?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: You just need a drone and an iPhone.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, more or less.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they do use the iPhone camera.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they don't use the actual iPhone.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: They actually use the lens of an iPhone camera.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and they get these incredible shots with these little drones.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: So they use these in concert now.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if you noticed that.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Did you look at that guy who jumped the canyon last week?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Did you see that they used drones for that?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I did.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: To catch his ascent?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: That technology is fantastic.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: It was a huge success for us to do Kiss Rocks Vegas in
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  SPEAKER_00: that way was something we couldn't say no to.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: The idea of building a show that didn't have to be transportable or taken down every night.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: We could basically do a stadium show in a small venue because we brought it in piece by piece.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: The visual presentation and the surround sound is just fantastic,
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: and I especially enjoy getting blown to bits by your classic guitar destruction at
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: the end of the show.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: You must really be pleased with how it all turned out.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Brother.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: And Paul's answer?
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, not as much as I'm pleased by you continually sucking my cock.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Jeez, oh man, enough.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: All right, go ahead.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: He says, oh, we're very pleased.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: The band was great.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: The venue was great.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: The show was great.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: The food was great.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: The groupies were great.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Being able to really capture it in that way was very satisfying for all of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it was a great document and a great testament to who we are and what we are.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Having the KISS acoustic set in there as a bonus and getting
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: to hear classic songs like plaster cast or all strip bare just adds to
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: the overall package.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Stanley says, yeah, we wanted to do more than just have a concert, so to speak.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: So including our acoustic set,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: which we do every day before our electric shows is something like MTV Unplugged.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: People get to see what we are when you strip everything away.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yay.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't have a good core songs to begin with,
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: stripping them down in that way won't get them across any better
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: because Kiss songwriting has been so strong since Tommy Thayer joined the band.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's not what he said.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Has been so strong for the past 40 plus years, these songs really come across acoustically.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: You can enhance something with as many bombs and laser beams as you want,
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: but a crap song is a crap song.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: And if anybody would know a crap song,
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: it is Paul Stanley.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Put out solo album after solo album of crap songs.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: For those of you,
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: for those of us who put the needle to the groove on Destroyer back in the day,
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: I can definitely say that you have plenty of good songs to pull from.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Would you say vinyl is your favorite listening method?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think his answer is?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I like all kinds, but we grew up on vinyl, so I would have to say yes.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's an interesting one.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: I know people swear by vinyl.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: For me, what it has in warmth, it lacks in top end.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting for me because I like a certain,
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to say strident top end to something,
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: but I like more highs perhaps than most vinyl has.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: It certainly has more warmth, and I understand that.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Me, I'd rather listen to vinyl than re-EQ it.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: I really grew up in an era where once we got into studio,
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: we were listening to JBL 4311 Studio monitor speakers,
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: L100 Studio floor speakers, and Yamaha NS10s.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Man, this guy knows his equipment.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Geez, oh man, enough.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Those really became the benchmark and the standard for what I was comfortable listening to.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was never somebody who was impressed with the complete transparency of music.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: I used to call those doctor systems because somebody thought that was the way to go
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: when, in fact, I like music to be somewhat colored.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Racist.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Colored.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Racist.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: In particular,
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: I've always been a huge fan of the sound of JBL speakers with music,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: and that's because when I was in Electric Lady Studios as a teenager...
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's when I was listening to music.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I was listening to music on.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Stanley and Simmons hung out at the Electric Lady Studios in New York City,
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: which was built to the exact specifications of none other than Jimi Hendrix in
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: the early 70s whenever they could sing background vocals for the likes
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: of Lynn Christopher until in 1973 Kiss cut a five-track demo at Electric Lady
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: with Hendrix's favorite producer, Eddie Kramer.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Who wrote this out, this thing, Shadow Steel?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus Christ, could he jam any more exact dates into this?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: God.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: The writer writes or asks, I always love the Macintosh Blue Glow.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have a favorite album or artist that you consider
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: to be your perfect listening experience on that system?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, what?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he wants to get all technical with Paul.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I'm saying Paul's answer is
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: probably like, huh?
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think Paul actually has an answer.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, good.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Steely Dan sounds pretty amazing.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously, Led Zeppelin and things like that are phenomenal.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Led Zeppelin has always, for me, stands the test of time.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: But Steely Dan,
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: what you hear going on on some of those tracks when you're listening on
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: a good system is kind of a mind-blowing thing.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: Experience,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: something that perhaps insulated in the background audio-wise,
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: suddenly on a good system,
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: you get what the instrument is doing and what it is being played.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of modern listeners stream your music.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Some Kiss songs have well over 20 million listens on Spotify,
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: like I Was Made for Loving You, Heavens on Fire, Rock and Roll All Night.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: What do you as an artist feel about streaming?
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Hates it.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's ruining the industry.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's a choice.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's a convenience for sure.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then it just comes down to, is the artist getting paid?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: What happened when the internet got involved with the music is that initially,
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: and to this day, in some ways, is stolen property.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it's really not fair when the artist is making a deal based upon take it or leave it.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't believe that most artists are getting what they deserve.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're getting what they can.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: And that's ass backwards.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's the tail wagging the dog when somebody is in essence saying,
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: I will do this with or without you.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you don't have much to stand on and that's the unfairness.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's the injustice of the internet.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: See...
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: We go round and round with this.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: The artists on this don't get it.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: Music has less value now.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: It just doesn't have value.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: In the 70s and 80s and 90s,
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: up until streaming or up until MP3s came around,
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: part of the value was the collectability of it.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that you couldn't really get it anywhere else
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: unless you were trading tapes or something.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: but I mean,
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: when
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: you liked a band, whatever that band was, you bought everything from that band.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you couldn't get it any other way, though.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: You could.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: There was way.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: You could tape your friends or whatever.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's what I'm saying.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Unless you were trading tapes.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: But that took some effort to do that.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: But you could get it.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: And part of what made it cool back then was having it.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: The credits, you know, we all knew the producers.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: We all knew who the girlfriends were.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: We all knew all that shit.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: We read the credits and looked for names of guys from other bands we listened to.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: All of that stuff was part of it.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: But with the advent of digital media,
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: and not just in music,
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: but across the board digital media, that shit's not important anymore.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, again, it's devalued it because it's so easily attainable for nothing.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you still don't...
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I was a credit whore, and I'm sure you were too.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I am.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: I still do.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: I still enjoy a physical CD just to see what they put in the credits.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: See, and me anymore, I can't be bothered with that shit.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't be bothered wasting my time.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, half of my shit doesn't even have the right art on it.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Quite honestly, you know, when I look at my phone, you know, it's whatever.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Amazon slaps on it, and I don't go back through and fix it.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it just isn't important anymore.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: And it's because music in general is not a collectible to me anymore.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's just fucking background.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: And there's one part ease,
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: one part the music's not as good as it used to be,
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: and one big part just, you know, I've gotten older.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: I've changed.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the audience has changed, but the artists don't get it.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, I'm going to side with Paul here a little bit.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're kind of making his point that since the invent of the internet,
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: you had to go by, if you wanted to own certain music.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: Barring your taping your friend's record or, you know, dubbing tapes or whatever.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: You had to go get it because there was no other way of getting it.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: There was no other way.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now with the internet,
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: with all the download sites and the BitTorrents and all these other stuff,
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: everything's out there for nothing.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So nobody has any reason to go get it.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: And you're not going to go buy it for an album cover,
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: especially if you could have all the songs.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: The album covers and the credits and all that was just a bonus to owning the music.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: But when you can get the music for nothing,
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: it's just like, well,
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's cool and everything,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: but I'm not going to go buy the record just to read it.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what, though?
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I still buy the occasional record here and there, and I don't need to.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, fuck, they send us everything.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: But, like, I've bought, I don't know, two or three records this year.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: I bought the Zach record,
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: and I bought the Chris Robinson Brotherhood record,
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: and I think I bought the Volbeat record.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and...
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'll buy it on occasion if it's something...
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: I bought the Metallica record.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: I pre-ordered it.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I will buy on occasion.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: But ultimately... And see, this is what I've always said about downloading.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: People don't go...
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: If they're real into a band, they'll buy it.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Even if it's free.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Even if you can get it from a torrent site or whatever.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Most of the shit that people download is that stuff that they...
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe had an interest in, but never enough interest to check it out.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like, and I'll be honest, from the Napster days, I grabbed all the Triumph shit.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's when I got Triumph.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I deleted most of it because I wasn't into it.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I mean, I would have never bought it, ever.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: I would have never bought it.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: And now, you know, now I'll just listen to it on Spotify.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's all the more I need.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Every once in a while I get the urge to lay it on the line or whatever.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I listen to it on Spotify and I'm good.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's all the more value it actually has to me.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Triumph does not have $13 worth of value to me.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: They have, you know, the one-tenth of one cent that they get from a plate.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's what I'm willing to give them.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the truth of the matter is that the artists have overblown their thought.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, they overcharged for however many years.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they did.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Part of this is backlash to that after overcharging 1899 for a fucking 30 minute CD.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and they still overcharge that fucking Rob Zombie.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he put out a record like six months ago or whatever it was.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: Mm hmm.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: Hello.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Good afternoon.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: How are you?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm good.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just in the middle of a confessional church, but I got time.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you're at church?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want to bother you.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's okay.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not the confessional, but the priest is in here.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_03: I've been here for like 20 minutes, so I got time.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, real quick, this is a mortgage.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: Now, were you looking to pay off debt or make some home improvements?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: Both, actually.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: Man, I haven't been at confessional in years.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know how it works anymore to you.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Confession?
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: Excuse me?
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: Are you asking me if I know?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just honestly a little stunned.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Catholic.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: I don't understand.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's not okay.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: What's not okay?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: You should probably say something about this in your confessions.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: Is it a joke to you?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: No, I was asking you if you knew.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't been here in a while.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just having a conversation with you.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: Why are you asking me is what I'm...
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm confused.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a little bit taken back.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: You're taken back.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm honestly uncomfortable.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think you believe in... Maybe you should leave that church.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm... You're not a good person.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: Why am I not a good person?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: Did I ask you a question?
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: I don't like this.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'm asking for advice.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm in the confessional right now waiting for the priest.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I just asked you that question.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't out of the blue.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: Congratulations.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: You're at a church.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: There's deacons.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_03: There's everybody around you.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: James, you've got to take care of yourself a little bit better.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: You can't be in a church and talk like that.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's why I'm in the confessional.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to get better.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, hello?
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: Hi.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, this is Father Don.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have any sins you'd like to confess, son?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: Is using a butt plug a sin?
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_03: You can't be in a church and talk like that.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Technically, it's not.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: James, God's looking at you right now, and he doesn't like what he sees.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_03: What if I used it on myself?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to have to look that one up.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's regular cost, $13.99, or what's a disc cost now, like $13.99?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's been so long, I haven't been to a record store forever.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't even looked at a CD for, I couldn't tell you when.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just say it was like 13 bucks.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it's probably in there.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: 24 minutes.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: 24 minutes.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you buy that?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's 50 cents a minute.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you drop down $13 for that?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's fucking ridiculous.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so...
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, it's really turned into what is important now.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's a collector's market.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: If you're into it,
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: you'll go and buy the vinyl,
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: and if you collect vinyl, and that's who buys records anymore.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: The rest of us just listen on fucking Spotify or Apple Music or whatever,
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: you know, because the market has changed.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Paul, but your shitty monster record is not worth $13 anymore.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's not.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's not.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: just because Kiss is putting out a record anymore, I mean,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: dude, when Kiss was putting out Monster, did you even listen to it when it came out?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're a Kiss fan, aren't you?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: I like some of their stuff.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a diehard fan.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen them maybe four times.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: So even today, you probably have not listened to that whole album.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: I got to be honest with you.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you probably didn't listen to the one that came after that,
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Hell or Hallelujah, or is that the same album?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: What was the other one?
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: Sonic Boom.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Sonic Boom.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Did you listen to that one?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's the point.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Back in the old days, you would have bought them.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Even though you're the same level of a Kiss fan that you were 20 years ago, right?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty much, yeah.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: They were always okay.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: If they had something out, you'd go get it.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: But now, you won't because the music has less value.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: And that's my point.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many other things that you can watch and do and view and listen to and whatnot.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: But it is an oversaturation of what's available to you.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because back in our day,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: back in the 80s,
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: the only two things you had was commercial radio and buying a record or a tape.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Tuesday was a fucking holiday
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: for me.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: That was it.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now today you got Netflix, you got Amazon, you got Spotify, you got Cody.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you do.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: You got all kinds of stuff.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it's oversaturation of media.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: When we were kids,
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: the only outlets for music,
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: obviously,
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: like I said,
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: is either the record store, commercial radio, or actually going to the live show.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: That was it.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: But what does oversaturation do in any market?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: It makes it worthless.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it lowers the value.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's exactly what has happened.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: But that's kind of the point that Paul was saying,
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: is that since the invent of the internet,
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: because everything's internet-driven,
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: be it Netflix or Spotify or everything,
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: that's devalued the art or the product, rather.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what he's saying.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like it's hard to make any money at this now
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: because everything is devalued,
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: just like we went through this elaborate discussion to say how it became devalued.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but don't you think Kiss are fucking as guilty as anybody for devaluing things
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: by oversaturating the market with their own shit?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean,
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: even they were one of the first ones to get on board with the release in concerts
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: the night of the show.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: And what did they do?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: They devalued that to where that's not worth anything anymore.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: But they struck while the iron was hot, and they capitalized on it while it lasted.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but the point is, don't bitch, because they're part of the problem.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that's really what I think, is that they are a part of the problem.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah,
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: he could be right,
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: but at the same time, he's got to accept that music is just not valuable anymore.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Just not.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, take that, you know, I'm not saying it's not good.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying that I don't like listening to it.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: if my favorite bands,
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: if somehow there was a,
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: like they're getting ready to release the 20th anniversary
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: of Great Southern Trendkill and it's going to have like a bunch of songs
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: that didn't make that record.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited about that.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'll buy that.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: But they reformed Pantera.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'd listen to it before I would buy it.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm a Pantera fan.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's just the way it is.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, I agree.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's wrap this up real quick.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: I have to say I love the cover of Freeze, Fire and Water.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: You sang and played on with Ace Frehley on his Origins Volume 1 solo album.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoyed doing it.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: It was great to connect with Ace in a positive way and to reminisce and recall all
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: the good stuff and put aside all the other bad stuff.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Please stop sucking his dick.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: He stinks now.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know your timber changes and your range may change, and that is par for the chorus.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: It is ridiculous to go see an artist 30 or 40 years on and say,
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: gee, he doesn't play or sound like he once did.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Of course he doesn't.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's 30 or 40 years older.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Is it fair to say that 50 or more years from now when most of us are no longer
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: on this planet,
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: Kiss songs like Love Gun,
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Rock and Roll Our Night are still going to be listened to by many generations
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: to come?
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: And do you feel Kiss music is timeless music?
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: Of course it is.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: You only have to come to a concert and see that it has really evolved into a tribe.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: And that you have your neighbors, your younger siblings, your grandparents there.
• 38:58
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• 39:03
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