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The Week That Was – 26th May 2023 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: It's time for the week that whilst joining us in
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  Speaker 1: the studio today we have got Jared Mayley, the Deputy
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  Speaker 1: Opposition Later, Good morning to.
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  Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners. Fred's PA show
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  Speaker 2: this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to see Keasy as Goats, she's got what.
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  Speaker 3: What about chickens? I'm interested in seeing.
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  Speaker 1: That samey I asked her during the week big question,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is she going to do a demonstration of
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  Speaker 1: the chicken resuscitation?
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  Speaker 3: But she she'll be which chicken?
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  Speaker 4: That's the problem.
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  Speaker 1: Counseling And in the studio with us, Matt cutting in
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  Speaker 1: from Sky News.
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  Speaker 5: Finally back mate and how do I follow that wid Chicken?
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  Speaker 1: And we've got Paul Kirby, the Minister for Small Business
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  Speaker 1: and various other portfolios.
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  Speaker 6: Good to see you this morning, Curbs.
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  Speaker 7: How you going, Katie? How are you going?
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  Speaker 8: Everyone with freshman bass in the grass and looking to
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  Speaker 8: a big weekend of footy, an amount of other things
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  Speaker 8: happening as well as the Fred's past.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there truly is so much happening. But look this morning,
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  Speaker 1: I am going to start with some sad news. We
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  Speaker 1: know that the state funeral for fey Miller is going
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  Speaker 1: to get underway in just over an hour. She was
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  Speaker 1: indeed a pioneering Territory woman. She paved the way for
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  Speaker 1: many and was a strong advocate for her community. So
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  Speaker 1: that state funeral is going to recognize her decades of
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  Speaker 1: community service and how she meant so much to so many,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's really fitting that we do start
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  Speaker 1: the show with that. I remember one day when we
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  Speaker 1: did take the week that was to Catherine, and on
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  Speaker 1: the panel that morning was Natasha Philes, Fay Miller, and
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  Speaker 1: Gary Higgins. And Fay was such an advocate for the
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territory and an incredible woman. She did an incredible
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  Speaker 1: job as a well as an MLA and also as
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  Speaker 1: the mayor of Catherine.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I knew Faith from back in the day and she
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  Speaker 2: was just a lady who just loved Catherine and if
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  Speaker 2: you said anything bad about Catherine, she'd be on to you.
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  Speaker 2: And then she took the whole terroryonder ring as well,
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  Speaker 2: and when she become MLA. So look, it's a very
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  Speaker 2: sad loss. It's going to be a sad day, and
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  Speaker 2: Catherine is a loss without her.
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  Speaker 8: It is very sad, and it's appropriate to acknowledge Fay
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  Speaker 8: and obviously our best wishes go to her family and friend,
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  Speaker 8: but they were certainly somebody I met once i'd come
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  Speaker 8: into politics and knowing her history, but she always gave
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  Speaker 8: you a straight up conversation. It was never that she
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  Speaker 8: was an ex member for the opposite party. It was
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  Speaker 8: at Catherine's first and foremost, and as Jared said, the
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  Speaker 8: territory as well. And she did end up moving up
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  Speaker 8: to darn when we saw a little bit more of her.
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  Speaker 7: In the latter years. But yeah, it is very sad passing.
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  Speaker 4: She was a fierce advocate for her people, wilfee in it.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, my favorite fem Miller story, and I think
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  Speaker 5: pretty much everyone's, is the day that she stood up
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  Speaker 5: to Greg Hunt and when Greg Hunt had suggested with
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  Speaker 5: some colorful language that the people of Catherine should get
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  Speaker 5: over the p Fast contamination scander while fem Milla was
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  Speaker 5: having none of that, and I think she gave it
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  Speaker 5: to Greg Hunt with both barrels. And she certainly found
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  Speaker 5: herself right in the middle of the national stage there.
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  Speaker 5: And recently we've seen compensation awarded for some of those
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  Speaker 5: pfasts issues, not just for people and Catherine, but around
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  Speaker 5: the country. So I think Faye deserves a lot of
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  Speaker 5: credit for that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I generally a nice person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she really was a classy politician and a classy
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  Speaker 1: person in general, a really strong woman, strong advocate for
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  Speaker 1: the whole of the Northern Territory. So we will certainly
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  Speaker 1: be thinking of Faye today and thinking of everybody at
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  Speaker 1: that state funeral. Now, there is quite a lot to
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  Speaker 1: cover off this morning. I do just want to make
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  Speaker 1: everybody aware that I have just received information a little
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  Speaker 1: bit earlier this morning, and we have sought clarification from
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police. Not sure if we've got it
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  Speaker 1: at this point, but sources have rung in to me
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  Speaker 1: this morning to tell us that there was a police
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  Speaker 1: officer who was involved in an incident on Lichfield Court
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  Speaker 1: overnight where she was.
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  Speaker 6: Tempting to well to stop a vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether that vehicle was stolen or exactly
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  Speaker 1: what had gone on, but has been to the ground,
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  Speaker 1: had to be taken to hospital. My understanding is that
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  Speaker 1: she has not had to stay in hospital. But that
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  Speaker 1: is the second incident that I'm aware of at Lichfield
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  Speaker 1: Court this week in terms of bad behavioral. Actually it's
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  Speaker 1: not only the second one. There was one earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the week where a vehicle was stolen, somebody was punched
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  Speaker 1: and threatened with a knife. But I also know, and
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  Speaker 1: I have been called by a number of listeners throughout
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  Speaker 1: this week to say that there's been some pretty terrible
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  Speaker 1: anti social behavior around that area. An elderly man who
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  Speaker 1: was being harassed yesterday and one of our listeners ended
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  Speaker 1: up driving him home because there was a group of
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  Speaker 1: young people doing the wrong thing and harassing this older gentleman.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, we'll get some further detail throughout
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  Speaker 1: the morning as to exactly what's gone on, but a
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  Speaker 1: pretty terrible situation.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and that area there has been
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  Speaker 5: a problem for a long time, Katie, and I think
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  Speaker 5: even though there's a brand new police station just up
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  Speaker 5: the road, the problem stay'ts seemed to be abating very much.
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  Speaker 5: You really have to, like, you know, your heart goes
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  Speaker 5: out to that police officer. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 5: us would have no idea of what police on the
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  Speaker 5: ground confronts every single day when they're going about their business,
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  Speaker 5: and they get a lot of criticism, and I think
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  Speaker 5: that this incident probably shows, you know, exactly what they're
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  Speaker 5: up against a lot of the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the police do a great job on
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  Speaker 2: the front line. Like everyone knows that my dad was
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  Speaker 2: a police officer, and he was for many, many years,
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  Speaker 2: and so I sort of lived as a young fellow
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  Speaker 2: first hand to see how passionate he was. And he'd
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  Speaker 2: be home, he'd get called out, he wouldn't come home,
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  Speaker 2: he would go open above. And I'm sure there's lots
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  Speaker 2: and lots and lots of police officers doing that right now.
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  Speaker 3: So a big shout out to them.
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  Speaker 2: I know that their survey says that the government feels
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  Speaker 2: that they're not supported, and you know all that survey results,
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  Speaker 2: and I just thank god that the police Minister didn't
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  Speaker 2: get that sixty million dollar cut was talking about in
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  Speaker 2: her budget papers. So but the police do a great
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  Speaker 2: job and just goes to show that crimes out of
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  Speaker 2: control and the consequences that just aren't there.
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  Speaker 5: You've got an extra yeah, I think I think we've
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  Speaker 5: got an extra forty million bucks. We might talk about that.
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  Speaker 8: But I had an opportunity to catch up with some
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  Speaker 8: retired police the other day and having a good chat,
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  Speaker 8: and I was wonderful to see them, you know, reliving
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  Speaker 8: some of their times through the territory. But I said
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  Speaker 8: to those guys, if you could turn the clock back
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  Speaker 8: thirty years, would you go into the force now? And
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  Speaker 8: they went, I don't reckon like it is. It's it's
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  Speaker 8: bloody hard work, and we do respect all the work
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  Speaker 8: that they do. We've got to keep working hard with
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  Speaker 8: the police to encourage them to stay in and there's
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  Speaker 8: a lot of that work that we've done through the
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  Speaker 8: Enterprise Agreement and just putting more and more cops into
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  Speaker 8: the into these problem areas.
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  Speaker 1: And look, we will talk a little bit more about
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  Speaker 1: exactly what's going on in that incident in Nightcliff. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get some further detail throughout the morning, so to our listeners,
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  Speaker 1: we'll make sure that we bring that to you throughout
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  Speaker 1: the show.
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  Speaker 6: But on this note, while we.
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  Speaker 1: Are speaking about our Northern Territory police officers and the
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  Speaker 1: incredibly difficult circumstances that they face, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: play for you some of the audio from the Senate
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the week where Melandery McCarthy certainly stood up
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  Speaker 1: to Lydia Thorpe, who had some very ordinary things to say.
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  Speaker 6: Take a listen, Senate.
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  Speaker 9: Senator McCarthy come to can you let what's happen, Senator
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  Speaker 9: thought I have said that we've invested twenty five million
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  Speaker 9: dollars for those organizations.
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  Speaker 6: Which gave the nor Territory police that you've spoken about.
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  Speaker 8: And how dare you when we have first people working
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  Speaker 8: in the police.
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  Speaker 6: Force you have protecting the police.
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  Speaker 9: I'm telling you that we also had the first Nations
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  Speaker 9: police who are doing their best. It's still police proved.
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  Speaker 9: The police are police across the no matter what color
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  Speaker 9: you are, not just police. Police brings you, obviously don't
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  Speaker 9: police police million dollars.
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  Speaker 6: To want to see. Shame on No, shame shame on you.
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  Speaker 6: You're the one who brings to that was killing out.
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  Speaker 9: But to your own you are an absolute you are.
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  Speaker 1: So that is just some of the audio from what
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  Speaker 1: had gone down in the Senate. I was disgusted, to
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  Speaker 1: be honest, when I'd heard the way that Lydia Thorpe
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  Speaker 1: was speaking. I thought, good on you, Melanderie McCarthy for
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  Speaker 1: standing up and saying that that is not okay, it's
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  Speaker 1: not appropriate to carry on in the way that she does.
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  Speaker 1: But also I think it just shows a total lack
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  Speaker 1: of understanding from Lydia Thorpe as to the issues that
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  Speaker 1: we're experiencing in the Northern Territory exactly.
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  Speaker 5: And what you have there is one person with lived
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  Speaker 5: experience in a remote community of the Northern Territory and
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  Speaker 5: another one with none. And it's the person with none
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  Speaker 5: who's trying to sort of say, oh, you shouldn't give
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  Speaker 5: them this money. Good on Maleandari McCarthy because she would
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  Speaker 5: know and understand the important role that police play in
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  Speaker 5: these communities. And I've heard MELANDERI and I've heard Marian
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  Speaker 5: Scrimer talk about it at lengths. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 5: think if you and did a survey of people in
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  Speaker 5: remote communities and you ask them whether they thought that
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  Speaker 5: there should be policing communities, are you struggle to find
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  Speaker 5: too many people who say no, we don't want them.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely yeah, out of pamnarty at the moment that they're
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  Speaker 5: actually you know, crying out for more police to be there.
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  Speaker 8: Certainly, when we go to communities, that's one of the
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  Speaker 8: main things that people raise is you know, what else
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  Speaker 8: can we do to help out? And it's more police
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  Speaker 8: And it's that community based type of policing that they
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  Speaker 8: want to continue to see people that are going to
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  Speaker 8: live and work and be a part of the community
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  Speaker 8: with a many flitty or had been to any of
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  Speaker 8: those communities in the Northern Territory. You know, to say
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  Speaker 8: that fourteen million dollars into policing is not going to help.
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  Speaker 8: On top of the one hundred and twenty odd million
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  Speaker 8: that we've put in in over the last few years.
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  Speaker 7: We have to invest in that.
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  Speaker 8: And it's ridiculous to hear people from down south carry
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  Speaker 8: on like that.
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  Speaker 3: Just disgraceful.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, remember this is the same person who
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  Speaker 5: once when Selena Eubo was the Attorney General of the
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  Speaker 5: Northern Territory, she got up in the Federal Parliament and
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  Speaker 5: said that the Northern Territory Attorney General was a white man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think you've got no idea. She's looking
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  Speaker 1: for a headline. But at what point do we go
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  Speaker 1: this is enough. This person should not be able to
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  Speaker 1: remain a.
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  Speaker 3: Set of trying to raise that, Like what point is
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  Speaker 3: what's a bar set at?
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  Speaker 2: Because she's done this on many occasions and you can
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  Speaker 2: go through and church, the socials and you know, like
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  Speaker 2: when she laid in front of the police at the
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  Speaker 2: the mcmarty goes just a behavior which is unacceptable for
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  Speaker 2: someone who's a senator, and she needs to go.
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  Speaker 8: To be like Jared knows, And I've talked with Josh
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  Speaker 8: Bergoin recently about what politicians cop and how hard we
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  Speaker 8: have to work to try and raise the bar and
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  Speaker 8: make sure that we are, you know, as respected as
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  Speaker 8: we can be, and people doing that just makes it really,
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  Speaker 8: really difficult for everybody because people just think, well, that's
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  Speaker 8: the standard that we said as politicians across the board,
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  Speaker 8: and no one's perfect.
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  Speaker 2: But she just constantly makes a mistake after mistake, outburst
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  Speaker 2: after outburst, and just you know, our cops do a
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  Speaker 2: great job, the territory is good, and she just tries
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  Speaker 2: to talk it down for aheadline or whatever.
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  Speaker 7: Certainly didn't look like that was an accident.
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  Speaker 8: That's a defined creat a moment.
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  Speaker 6: That's her whole motive, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: It's to try and get a headline, no matter what
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  Speaker 1: she's talking about, no matter where she is. But I
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  Speaker 1: think to try and take on a senator with lived
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  Speaker 1: experience to use your words there, Matt, is a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a stupid move to make you know you're going
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  Speaker 1: up against another Aboriginal woman, but one who actually lives
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  Speaker 1: here in the Northern Territory. Who knows what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I just thought, you know, honestly, I spoke.
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  Speaker 8: To MALANDERI the next day. She's pretty calm. She had
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  Speaker 8: calmed down about it. But yeah, I think she was.
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  Speaker 8: You can see by the way she was behaving at
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  Speaker 8: the time. Melander is very measured person and she was
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  Speaker 8: just doing a lot of hard work to try and
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  Speaker 8: control her comments at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did say to her on a yes, that
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen her so fight up. But you know
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  Speaker 1: you need to see you need That's exactly what we
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  Speaker 1: want of our Northern Territory politicians in Canberra standing.
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  Speaker 3: Up for the territory, standing up for the territory. Well done.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, we'll take a little bit of a break
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  Speaker 1: when we come back. There is still plenty more to discuss.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four point nine. It
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  Speaker 1: is the week that was well, it is certainly been
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  Speaker 1: a busy week.
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  Speaker 6: And I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 1: The story that's certainly divided opinions. I think you'd have
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  Speaker 1: to say was the one that the Northern Territory Chief
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  Speaker 1: Minister found herself in with some anti fracking protesters.
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  Speaker 6: Now she was running the.
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  Speaker 1: West Max Monster when well, when this unfolded, I'll play
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of the audio to give people a
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  Speaker 1: bit of an idea of how it all went down
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  Speaker 1: if you were If you haven't already heard it, take
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  Speaker 1: a listen.
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  Speaker 6: Some pure artisan.
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  Speaker 8: Last year.
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  Speaker 6: It's actually quite ILUSI crated, want I run away from rating.
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  Speaker 6: So look, that is part of.
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  Speaker 1: The audio there of her. You know, of what she'd
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed while she was on the actual run. So look,
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  Speaker 1: I think when you cross the finish line and you're
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  Speaker 1: at the end of that run, it's fair game. You're
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  Speaker 1: going to you understand that it's a public area and
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  Speaker 1: that you may have people there that are going to
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  Speaker 1: be protesting. But the thing that I found bad about
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  Speaker 1: it is that you are edging towards the end of
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  Speaker 1: a twenty five kilometer run. It is something that you're
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  Speaker 1: doing in your own time. You're up on these ranges
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  Speaker 1: on your own. Luckily the Chief Minister was with another person,
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  Speaker 1: but you're on your own essentially, and then you are
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  Speaker 1: running into a situation that you've got no idea what's
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  Speaker 1: going on, You've got no phone service, and it could
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  Speaker 1: potentially become very dangerous. Luckily it didn't, but to me,
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  Speaker 1: it crosses a line for.
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  Speaker 2: Me too, I think this is unacceptable behavior. And there's
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  Speaker 2: alway the time and place in protests, and I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying you can't protest, but when someone's out, especially a
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  Speaker 2: politician or ammediate person's out doing something like a run,
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  Speaker 2: like I wouldn't be doing a twenty five k run,
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  Speaker 2: but there I can do my pushbite, right, but you
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  Speaker 2: don't expect and you shouldn't have to up with that
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  Speaker 2: sort of behavior running through there doing that because she
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  Speaker 2: would have been worn out. He's out there in a
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  Speaker 2: beautiful country, and yet it's just unacceptable behavior.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel sorry for Natasha.
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  Speaker 8: We do, and we were talking outside about your really available,
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  Speaker 8: and that's one of the good and the bad things
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  Speaker 8: in the Northern Territory, and we do make herselves available.
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  Speaker 8: At Basing the Grass on the weekend, I would have
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  Speaker 8: had half a dozen conversations with people about a range
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  Speaker 8: of different things, and some of them you can quickly
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  Speaker 8: step through, and other times you ask people to give
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  Speaker 8: your officer ring because you know that it's going to
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  Speaker 8: be a longer, more detailed conversation.
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  Speaker 7: But the trouble is some of these just because you can.
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  Speaker 8: We do a lot of campaigning, either as elected members
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  Speaker 8: or to get re elected, or to try and get
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  Speaker 8: elected in the first place. Just because you can do
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  Speaker 8: something doesn't mean that you should. Because yeah, if something
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  Speaker 8: went wrong in a remote part of the territory, it
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  Speaker 8: would have been very, very horrible.
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  Speaker 7: But what people of the public.
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  Speaker 8: Don't understand is that everybody's got other things going on
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  Speaker 8: in their life. You know, I'm sure Lauren won't mind
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  Speaker 8: me mentioning what she's had a lot going on in
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  Speaker 8: her life, Like if she was accosted at the moment
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  Speaker 8: while she's getting over some of the grief that she's
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  Speaker 8: been through recently, that would be an absolute terrible thing.
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  Speaker 6: She has spoken publicly about it, has.
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  Speaker 8: Spoken publicly my family and I have been targeted, or
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  Speaker 8: know that Natasha's family have been targeted. It's really really
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  Speaker 8: hard work, so when you go out in public, you
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  Speaker 8: are always on the edge, and one day somebody will
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  Speaker 8: get a reaction that they're not expecting because we feel
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  Speaker 8: that we're under threat. So happy for people to campaign,
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  Speaker 8: but you just need to be a little bit cautious.
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  Speaker 8: And I think this went too far.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's disgraceful behavior, and I think we've
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  Speaker 5: seen it from this particular group on too many occasions.
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  Speaker 5: They're the same group that you know stormed into Michael
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: Gunner's office and pretended they were part of a different
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: group and then sort of took over the place. They've attacked,
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: you know, Natasha now while she's out running. I mean,
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: there are ways to have debates, There are ways to
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: forward your arguments.
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: And be interesting to know how many people have swung
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: to their side, and food and the curves.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I know you said before, you know, I don't give
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: me a time in terms of replaying that audio, and
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: people would have heard that, and I understand that, Like
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: I think to myself, you know, you don't this kind
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: of behavior. You get to the point where you think
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: you don't particularly want to give it air time, But
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: then you also understand there are people with concerns if
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: they have every right to protest, but there is a
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: time and a place and a way to do it,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, need to be called out.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: It is unacceptable and don't do it. We're just normal
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: human beings no matter what you do, and it's unfair
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: to have.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: What do you make of the argument and I know
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: that we've heard this a few times on our tech
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: sign and also people calling through saying well, now you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: now we've got a politician who understands how people are
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: feeling on the streets at the moment where it's a
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: dangerous situation for some in terms of you know, the crime.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: And I understand what they're saying that, yes, we are
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: all going through a very difficult situation where personal safety
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: feels as though it's under thresh.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: But again, I just I.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Don't think that this is the same situation. This is
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: essentially targeting somebody.
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: If people think like we live in the community, we
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: you know, will talk about the issues in a different
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: manner because that's our job to try and explain to
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: people that we understand and promote the positive work that
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: we're doing. And you know, the opposition and media sometimes
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: have different roles in that. So people don't need to
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: think that we're oblivious to it. We absolutely live in
• 17:15
  Speaker 8: the community. The tiny electorates that we have, we have
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: first name basis with a big part of our electorate,
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: so you know, calling out stunts for exactly what they
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: are and like I said, just because you can do something, well,
• 17:27
  Speaker 8: they could helicop her into the footy.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: On the weekend. Does that mean they should do it?
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: Absolutely not.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I just I think it's terrible behavior.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: And I think you know, whether you agree with the
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: Chief Minister or not on various issues, and God, we
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: give her a hard time constantly, Katie, whether it's you
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: on radio or me in the paper, or whatever the
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: case may be, at press conferences. But you know, to
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: her credit, you know, you turn the cameras off while
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: you turn the microphones off, and she never holds that
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: against you. She's always respectful, she is, absolutely and you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: I think, criticize her government and her policies as much
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: as you like, but do it in a respectful way.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Don't harass her while she's out running. That's that's just
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: ridiculous and it's completely.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Uncalled forepecially in the Miller know where where she was.
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: Twenty five ks for anybody to do, but a person
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: that's Scott on her plate. What the Chief Minister has
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: to be able to find the time to do the
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: training for that type of endurance race and then to
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: be able to do the race and complete it. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: had an ABCD No ask me either the Chief Minister
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: looked visibly upset at the end of the race, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: I went, yeah, I could cry and do if I
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: just run twenty five k's. But congratulations SATs and happy
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: birthday Natasha as well for today.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: Happy birthday you've just outed.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: We are also hearing that now the anti franking protesters
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: have apparently changed themselves to drilling equipment this morning at
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: East arm I don't have that footage or anything, but
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: time and a place.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: That I'm saying, you know, protest if you want to,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: but do it respectively, and don't do it we only
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: get damage to damn each other people's privately.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I also think we're seeing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: I think times have changed, and I think the social
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: media has had a lot to do with it. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: think you see that people on social media feel like
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: they can say whatever they want, no matter how you hurt,
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: from offensive, whatever it is. And now I think we
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: see a bit of that spilling out into real life.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm not sure that thirty years ago we'd
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: have seen a chief minister attacked in public like that,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: and now it seems to becoming an increasingly common event.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: You know, we saw at the one.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Of the rallies during COVID where they were shouting out
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Michael Gunner's address and basically saying it was a snake
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: who lies down at this address, And it was pretty
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: clear that the insinuation was, you know.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: We're going to go and get him.
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: I just think it's totally uncalled for behavior. It's not
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: what you know we're about here. And just from that.
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: Any other part of ours would we put up with
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: a school kid being treated like that. I saw kids
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: chasing another person like that across an oval. You'd go, hey,
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: if it was happening out in the streets and somebody
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: was being chasing harass like that, you would pull it up.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, I think you're right.
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: Social media has changed scenes and post COVID things have
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: changed a lot, and iun known Natasha tried to speak
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: through that the other day, But the high little briefings
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: that we get not just for elected members but even
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: for senior bureaucrats and people not just here but around
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: the world, the threat levels have changed, and it's just
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: something that we don't need to be like that in
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: the territory.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Better than that, I've only had that, you know, the
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: great irony with what happened to Natasha. The other day
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: is I don't think we've ever had a greener chief
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: minister in all the territory's history. She's probably been, you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: the most. She's probably done more than any politician in
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: this place to sort of put the regulations around the
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: onshore gas industry and to sort of even try and
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: stand in their way at times. So you know, the
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: fact that she's copping it certainly well.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And look, I am now seeing photos of, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of this protest that's going on this morning as well.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So apparently they've chained themselves to this drilling equipment and anyway,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: we'll wait and see what happens with that one.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: Pretty unbelievable stuff.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And look, I wonder as well, and I do think
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to myself, and I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: know what happens on both sides of the fence, But
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: sometimes the extreme left, you know, they do think that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: they're okay to say and do what they please because
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: they feel as though what, you know, their opinion is
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: the right one, and that when it comes to you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: fracking and not wanting it to go ahead, they feel
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: as though that opinion is the right one and it's
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the only opinion that should be heard.
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I know that it's the same on the extreme right,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: so I'm not pretending that it's only on one side
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and not the other. But you know, most of Australia
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: sits in the middle. They don't sit on those extreme sides.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: What about the innocent people in the moms and days?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: You just want to go to work when they've blocked
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: this harbor bridge and probably probably doesn't have a toim
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I can dark that traffic is not quite as bad,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: but they inconvenience so literally millions of people for their
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: point of view, which is why should they impinge on
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: all those people just doing their day to day business
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: for their point of view? I just think they want
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: to protest, great, but do it respectivelly, Yeah, do it
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: in a good place and where no one's going to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: get hurt or not going to impingeent and affect on
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: these four moms and days who are just paying the bills.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: Look, we're going to take a bit of a break.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: six eed is the week that was in the studio
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: with us this morning. If you've just joined us, we
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: have got Paul Kirby Matt Cunningham.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: And Jared Mayley.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Now, Matt a story by you throughout this week sky
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: News reporting that Northern Territory Police conducted surveillance on the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Children's Commission at Colleen Gwinn's home during their failed attempt
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to prosecute her over allegations of abusive office. Now detectives
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: diary notes obtained by you show that officers cased out
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the Nightcliff home where she was living with her children,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and that was all in relation to the investigation into
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: an emp eployment matter in late twenty eighteen. Follows on
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: from further reports from you this week, talk us through
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: exactly what you found.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what, Katie, the more that I
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: dig into this matter, the more I am alarmed at
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: what happened. In with the case of Colin Gwynn. The
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: accusation against her was that she hired her friend as
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: the assistant commissioner. Now, it needs to be pointed out
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: that her friend, Laura Juson, was one of two people
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: who an independent panel had deemed was.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Suitable for the role. That she appointed her too.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: She sought the advice of the HR director at the
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Department of Attorney General and Justice, who sought the advice
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: from the Officer of the Solicitor General who told her
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: she was okay to do this. Okay, I'm not sure
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: what else she could have done in that situation. That event,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: after a complaint was made, has sparked a three year
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: police investigation that has included her home surveillance on her
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: home where she was living with her primary school aged children,
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: her office being bugged, her phone being tapped, Officers flying
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: to four different states, four senior detectives working on the
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: case at any one time, flying to four different states
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: to investigate witnesses over what essentially was a hr employment
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: matter and which in the end is exactly what the
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Supreme Court deemed when they threw the matter out of court.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand why that level of resourcing was
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: used on on that case.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Well, this is the very good question as to why
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: such a huge level of resources and such a huge
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: effort was put into this investigation. Remembering that Colin Gwynn
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: is a former senior police officer and that she is
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: the former head of Professional and ethical Standards within the
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Northern Tier Territory Police, right, so you have to start
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: asking the question as to why such extreme lengths were
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: taken to try and secure this prosecution. And I think
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: there are questions that need to be asked of both
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: the police and the DPP about this, and at the
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: moment we're really only getting standard answers in response to them.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: The other thing that we revealed last week is that
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: those same detectives notes show that there was one crucial
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: piece of information that, in the words of those detectives,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: would mean the whole job is gone, and that was
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: confirmation from Brian Mappis, the HR director at the Department
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: of Attorney General in Justice, and from the Officer of
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Solicitor General that Colin Gwinn had been given that advice
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: that she had the legal authority to appoint Laura Jucein
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: to that position. They got that evidence, they confirmed that
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: bit of evidence, and they still investigated for another sixteen months,
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: running surveillance on her home, bugging her offers, tapping her
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: phone until they eventually charged her, and it takes three
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: years before it gets to the Preme Court and it
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: gets thrown out before the defense has presented any evidence.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I just it's just mind boggling to me, and I
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: can't understand now why the Northern Territory government doesn't take
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: some action and either call an inquiry or referre to
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: to ikak because there's a lot here.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: To me that just doesn't make sense.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: And you go back a step further when I read
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the story she was saying that she called into the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Chief Ministers Office saying that we're not going to renew
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: your contract.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: We want an original commissioner. How is all that involved?
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Did that starting thing off? How's that?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: It's just really it's time for the attachment files to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: stump up and not just give those standard answers say
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment. She needs to come clean
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and say exactly what the government involvement was, what happened,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: because this is just a dog's breakfast.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Well, I think that's why we need an inquiry because
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: now we have all of these questions about all of
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: these things, and I think the only way to look
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: at what's happening in the Act right with the Lerman
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: Higgins case, the Act government, there's clear the issues there,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: there's disagreements between the police and the DPP. They call
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: a public inquiry. That public inquiry now is allowing the
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Act government to get to the bottom of the matter.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: But more importantly, it's restoring the public's fund trust.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: In the system.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: And I think that that the public's trust in the
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: system at the moment is wavering because we've seen cases
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: like this that on their surface at least just do
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: not look right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: And look, I won't make comment, and that'll annoy you
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: about not making any comment. But you know, Colin is
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: obviously well known through the territory. Anybody that's had anything
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: to do with AFL or policing or many other sectors
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: knows Colleens.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: I won't step into that.
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: But the IKAK, for example, well, that's one of the
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: reasons why we did bring an Eyekak in.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: And so you've seen what I've written, you've seen what's
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: been reported.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: It don't read your stuff, I'll.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Send it to you.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: But should it be referred to IKAK at.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: Least that is obviously an option for people going forward.
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: So yeah, I can't comment about whether it should or
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: it shouldn't, or whether people will or won't. We don't
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: get alerted to whether it has or hasn't because there
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: is that separation. I think the acting could be Commissioner.
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: Police Commissioner spoke through that yesterday.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I mean you touched on there as well, like you've
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: spoken about her AFL background and also you know the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: work that she's done as a Northern Territory police officer.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And the thing that really sort of gets me is
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I think this is a woman who's done so much
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: over her career and so much that you could really
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: look at and as a human feel very proud of
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and think, well, you know, she's done a lot in
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a positive way, and her name's been completely and utterly
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: dragged through the march as a result.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Or tax pays money is going to be paid to her,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: just like the police commissioner, purely the result of the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: bungle by the non Turkey government.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing or should she actually, you know,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: should she go back into the role And you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether that is even an option now,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: but when you actually go back and look at the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: work history of what she did as the Children's Commissioner, Matt,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I think you've written about it before. You know, the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: number of investigations that she completed, the number of different
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: things that she had done in that role really stands
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to show you that she was doing a very good job.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Well, and I mean this goes back to the questions
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: that now surround this case. Did that have anything to
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: do with the way that she was treated? She had
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: produced damning investigations that had been critical of the government,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: that had been critical of the police.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: You know, her reporting to.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: The rape of the two year old girl in TenneT
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Creek is absolutely devastating and it's gathing of the government
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: and government agencies, you know. And not long after she
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: delivers that report, she finds herself under investigation, high level
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: police investigation over what essentially amounts to a HR matter.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, files to come clean and not just
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: give those standard answers. They've got access to all the records,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: they know what's going on. Ginis to come through and
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: tell territories exactly what involvement was and come clean.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and see, we're not going to get that answer
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: from Paul Kirby this morning. So let's move along because
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: there's a few things that our listeners have been really
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: very concerned about this week, and one of those is
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: we spoke to the driver of one of the Blue
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Taxi mini buses who throughout the week had a knife
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: thrown at his vehicle. I'm not sure if you've seen
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the photos that have come through in the aftermath.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: But we spoke to him yesterday.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I think it was so the day before on the show,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and he'd spoke about his absolute fear the fact that
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: he was driving that minibus and had a knife thrown
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: shattering the window. He said that it's not the only
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: time that something like that has happened. It was a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: pretty horrifying situation. But then on top of that, that
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: same day we also interviewed Kylie, a lady who lives
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: in Karama, and she talked to us about some of
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the really serious concerns that she's got in the suburb
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: of Karama, in you know housing, you know, like in
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a unit complex there across the road from the shopping
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: center in Karama, and and you know, she'd said that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: at different times there's been gangs of youths in the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: car park. She's on a walking you know, she's on
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a walking frame. She said she she feels incredibly frightened
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to go across the road to get to the shops
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to go and do her daily business, and that you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: even for senior people that live in the same.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Area, they're feeling really worried as well.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Brian O'Gallagher, the local counselor, had spoken to us on
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: He came up with a bit of.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: A four point plan actually where he had called for
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: temporary police presence, so to have temporary or you know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: whether it was permanent small police presence, or whether there
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: could be a small amount of temporary police presence there
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: to try and really.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: To take some action for what is going on in
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: that suburb.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: It shows back to you know, issues on crime. You
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: know the opposition Bang I met this all the time.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: We say that the Labor government have putting out this
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: message up there soft in crime, taking away the consequences
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: like the two K staff and drinking. It's really time
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: that territories are sick of it. Something needs to happen
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: and the Labor government, you know, there's been protests on
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the Parliament House.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I've been there.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Leah our leader, she did a roadside in Crama about
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: six weeks ago and spoke to his residents.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: She was saying that kids are.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Coming home from work, they ring up their mums and dads,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: they say is it safe to come up the street?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So you know, and that's from people firsthand living in
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the area. So it just really goes to show that
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the territorians are just seeking tired of the crime and
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: it's time for the labor government to stump up and
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: do something about it. We can talk all we want
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: about it, I love government's been in power for six
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: years and saying oh, it's generational and that sort of stuff,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: but you look at the status of the figures, they're
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: not going down or saying the same, actually getting worse.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So whatever's happening is not working because the crime.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Look at the evidence.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: The crime figures are going up and people are getting stabbed.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: We've had unfortunate deaths about it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: It's just out of control.
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: We have had some atrocious incidents and nobody from our
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: government is denying that. But what we will continue to
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: do is that hard work with police and will continue
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: to explain to people we have put one hundred and
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: twenty million dollars extra in police, not just police security
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: services to help out with This is something that particularly
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: Nari Kit has been on the front foot with in
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: Karama for a long long time making sure that we
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: have got extra security around those shopping.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: Center security just on the security.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: One of the criticisms that we've had from from locals
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and I want to point this out so that you
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: guys are aware, if you've not already been told, is
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that they have got a situation. They tell me the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: people living in Karama where sometimes what will happen is,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you know, people will be stealing something from the bottle shop,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: or they'll be stealing something from wherever or doing the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: wrong thing. You approach the security, they say, we can't
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: do anything. We actually can't pull them up.
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: Well, and I know we're working really closely with the
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: security guards. We've obviously through the course of just the
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: last few weeks, put a range of extra initiatives in place.
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: It's not just if we go back to where the
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: story started about taxi drivers here, people in public transport,
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: it is quite often an area where antisocial stuff happens.
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: So it has been something we've identified, recognized and put
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: some extra measures in place to try and make sure
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: that people are safer when they're traveling on public transport.
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: So there is a range of things that's been done.
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: There's a range of stuff that will continue to be
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: done to try and make people say return to country,
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: and a range of other menasguers like.
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: It's really widespread and it's really deep.
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: And I'm happy to talk more about it, but I
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: know we've got a range of things that will get
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: through today.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: How do you say one thing?
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Like the government keep saying they put all this one
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty million dollars into the police, but their
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: annual report last year said there's thirty five less officers.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: So you know that's a bit of evidence from the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: police and your reports saying it's actually less police officers.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: So how to explain that, mister Kirby.
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: Well, you know, Jared, that we've committed to putting extra
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: police on them, will continue to train police. We know
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: that when you guys last have an opportunity, you're committed
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: to train police and then didn't do it.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: So last year the police and your report said there's
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: thirty five less officers on the street.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: How to explain that to territorians.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: We working really hard with police.
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: We did a ranger work through their enterprise agreement to
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: make things more attractive for people to stay here and
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: get people that might not have been on the front
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: line for quite some time back into the to know this.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Obviously, there was this media event that was held yesterday
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: where the Acting Police Commissioner Michael Murphy was out with
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Kate Warden, the Police Minister, saying that the government is
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: doing more to bolster the police force and are saying
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: that since twenty sixteen there are over two hundred and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: thirty additional police and an additional one hundred and twenty
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: five million dollar boost to the Northern Territory Police. So
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I get what the government's
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: saying that there is being additional money invested into boosting
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: those numbers. But I think that you know, then for
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: people like those that are living in Karama that are saying, okay,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: well can we have at least a temporary police presence
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: there to try and curb some of those issues, I
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: guess that it's you know, those numbers and not really
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: going to or whether they've been bolstered or not, is
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: not really going to get through to territories until they
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: can actually see those police officers in the areas where
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they feel like they need them.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Even on the ABC this morning, they're interviewing Joe was
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: interviewing a lady who a business or a yoga I
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: believe a yoga.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: Studio who'd been in a pretty terrible.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Situation where somebody was either you know, on drugs or
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: in a pretty bad state, trying to get into their studio.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: It sounded frightening.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: And she had said that they'd called the police and
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: had tried, you know, like the police had said, okay,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: well look has he gone, I think, and yes he had.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: So are you going to send somebody out? Well, no,
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: they weren't.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, for whatever reason that is, but that
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't to me. I think that the community's expectation is
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that when something really traumatizing like that happens, where somebody's
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: trying to get into your business, or where you're broken into,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: or where you've had a really frightening situation unfold, the
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: community ex spectation is that somebody comes out to them
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and sees them. Now. I know that our police are
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: under the pump. I know they do a bloody hard job.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: But the expectation is when something like that goes on,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: that you're going to interact then with the police officer.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, And I think there was a stat
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: that the acting Commissioner gave us a few weeks ago
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: during a press commerce that I think tells a bit
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: of this story, because we're talking about basically maintaining the
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: number of police at a status quo level, trying to
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: try to account for those people who leave and then
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: replacing them and perhaps increasing numbers slightly. But Michael Murphy
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: at this press Conrace said that a decade ago they
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: were responding to ten thousand jobs a month and now
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: they're responding to thirty thousand, which would presumably mean we
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: need three times as many police as we had ten
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: years ago if we're going to have the same level
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: of response. I mean, sadly, we've seen a huge increase
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: in the number of issues that are being ported to police,
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: and as a consequence, because we don't have the you know,
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: the same level or the increased level of police, were
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: unable to deal with that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: And that's why you get.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Situationd with it in the ECLP, you know, with Arthur
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: inquiries into police resourcing, their survey last year says I
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: think it was ninety seven percent feel unsupported the same
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: about saying there's not enough resources. It just goes to
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: show that, you know, the police do a great job.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: But it goes back to the message that the labour
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: say soft on crime, do what you want to do.
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: More criminals can go away.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: With it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: Catchphrases aren't going to get us through this, Jared, and
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: I think people understand we are doing that hard work.
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: We did that. Yes, there was a police there was.
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: A survey went out last year as a part of
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: the Enterprise agreement negotiations. You know how much that enterprise
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: agreement got voted up by police by eighty five percent? Okay,
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: So we did a lot of hard work with police
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: and really respectful with the Police Association to delvin and
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: target at what some of the problems are about people
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: being off or stood down or on sickly for long
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: periods of time and assisting and wrapping around those police
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: officers to get them the support they need to.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: Get back to work.
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: So that agreement got voted up by eighty five percent.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: That gives you some indication there is a level of
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: confidence that we're working really closely through with our police
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: and with our Police association.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: And is it right because there's been a bit of
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: confusion about that.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Part of what was put to police as part of
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: that agreement was that there would be an inquiry into
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: police resourcing.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely right, So what's happening with that?
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's working its way through there's a range of
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: initiatives that we need to get in place, and that
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: broad based inquiry into how many police we genuinely need
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: through the Northern territory.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: We all do it.
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: We're doing the same with corrections offices like it's a
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: pretty standard piece.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: So is it started that inquiry?
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Has that started?
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: The pre words start the work that the information that
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: we need to gather to legitimately work through and debate
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: those issues has started, right.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: And when do you reckon? We'll have that. When you reckon,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: we'll be wrapped up. And will it be made public
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: when it's finished?
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: Happy to make it public as much of that information
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: as we can. I can't tell you an absolute finish date,
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: but I think I know where your questions are heading to.
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: When it was first announced, somebody announced that it was
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: going to happen after the election.
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: It was nothing about I.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Think I got my hands on yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: But there was never there was never any intent or
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: assertions from us that it couldn't happen until after the
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: next election.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: So it's definitely going to happen before the next election.
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: That the work will start. Absolutely, we can.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: Finished before.
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: You can get it done. Come on, we did one
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: when I was at Power and Water.
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: That was a really intense look at the maintenance of
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: every piece of equipment and that took years for us.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: That's a bit different. That's a bit different.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I mean when you're talking about staffing levels and you're
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: talking about because we had to wait. We were told
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that we had to wait for these new rostering system
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: to come into play yet, the electronic rostering system. So
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: it's I believe it's is it in place, I don't
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: know for years. Yeah, but you would the record, Yeah,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: so you would.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: You would hope that we're able.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: To get this before the next Northern Territory election because
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: it is a point of contention. It is something that
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: people are concerned with, and I don't think that it's
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: just something that people within the police force are concerned with.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It has become an issue that the broader community is
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: concerned with, because then when you have a situation where
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: somebody calls the Northern Territory Police and they're keen for
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: them to come out after something's happened, and they're told
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: that unfortunately, you know, they're not available, they're at a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you know, we understand that they're triaging, they're at another job.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: That's when the wider public starts to go, well, hang
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: on a second, have we got enough Northern Territory Police?
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: And that's where we all end up having a laugh
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and thinking that Lydia Thorpes lost the plot when she's
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: saying that money shouldn't be invested into police, when for
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: us here on the ground, we're going, hang on a second.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: We just want the Northern Territory Police to be able
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: to get out when required, and we want them to
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: feel as though there's enough of them to be able
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to do what the community expects.
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely so, Toway. And that's why we'll continue to
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: work closely with police.
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: And you're alluded to this person that in one of
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: those initial examples about you know, being on drugs or
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: something like that, and unfortunately society has changed and some
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: of the drugs that people use now do some really
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: nasty things to their brains and they do react and
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: behave really really poor.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: Which is even more to the point.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Then if it is a situation like that and then
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: nobody goes out to you know, if like to that's
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: to that incident where it's really pretty scary for the
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: person that's the victim.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: And wouldn't you know, all the reason we're talking about
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: now make it more important to get this survey done, dusted,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: find out results out, then go and fix the police
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: force and give them the resources they need and given
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: them the police officers they need, because it all comes
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: back to the safety of territorians, and right now territorians
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: are screaming out saying I don't feel safe. What's going on.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It's not the same territory that it used to be.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I'm hearing out a lot.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: He's doing the inquiry.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: Now, that's a good question.
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: I'll have to go back and have a look at
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: whether there was big Sometimes when you set those inquiries up, sometimes,
• 43:08
  Speaker 8: like with the corrections, it'll be agreement between the unions
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: and the management about who's taking part in that. Sometimes
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: is an independent expert, As I mentioned the one that
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: we did with Power and Watar to have some complete independence,
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: there was an electrical engineering expert came in from into state.
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: To assist with that.
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: I'd have to double check on what level of independence
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: we agree to with that one.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Those discussions had with the union and police it about
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: who's going to do it that does that happen.
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, That's why the agreement was signed by and agreed
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: to you by eighty five.
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: Percent of the police officer.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: The independent inquiry you're sorting it started, But have you
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: had those discussions who are going to run the inquiry?
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: I'm saying that the information that we need to get
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: to gather to contribute towards all of those discussions, all
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: that body of work's happened, and i'll certainly o'll double
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: check on that exactly who's sitting on the inquiry.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: We will take a really short break. You are listening
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. It is
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the week that was. It is nearly time to wrap
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: up before we do. Though, plenty happening around the Northern
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Territory this weekend, and in some good news, a permit
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: is going to be issued for the car section of
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the Think Desert Race. It is subject to the introduction
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: of a suite of new safety measures. But it's scheduled
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: to take place during the King's Birthday long weekend. That
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: sounds a bit funny saying that, doesn't it, rather than
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the Queen's Birthday.
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: Doesn't roll off the tongue just yet.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: No, no, not yet, but that's on that weekend of
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: June nine to.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: Twelve, So that is good news.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: But there's lots on this weekend, the footy and plenty
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: of other events, the Fred's Partialal Show.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: How many soirees on as well.
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: We've got a new little Pixar put put down at
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: the waterfront kids down there.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: That's very, very fun.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Just a quick shout out to the Fred's past show. Remember,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and I's in the rulery but anyone from the city
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: can come from parmaat Rural Show and the Key is
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: going to have a chickens there and all that sort.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Of stuff of the baby goats and I'm going to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: be taking four kids out there tomorrow morning at nine.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: O'clock to see the baby guys.
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: Yitful things the rural shows, the wood chopping, that's always
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: a big event. Yeah, but now the footy is on.
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: Good luck to all the territory leads that are playing
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: in the footy. We know they love coming home and
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: showing off in front of their home crowd. So hopefully
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: that's a cracking game on the weekend. Think will be great.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: Is so important for the Central Australia and a range
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: of other things over the next couple of weeks as well.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: We are going to catch up with Daniel Rochford from
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Tourism Central Australia after ten o'clock as well and just
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: have a chat to him about some of those great
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: events and what it means to the territory and certainly
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Central Australia given the fact that the think is still
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: going ahead. So gentlemen, thank you all so very much
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: for your time this morning. Jered Malee from the COLP, thank.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: You, thank you, thank you.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you. Thanks WILLV and
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Paul Kirby from the ALP. Minister for various portfolios, thank you.
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: The fun ones that major events at the moment as
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: basing the grass last weekend.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: I'll show you some photos. It's a cracking weekend and
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: we'll do it again next year.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Well Gin know what I thought. Goodness me, I'm gonna
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: have to start taking my kids soon enough.
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: The first time, the last one we took Laila Dam.
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: We took Laila Dam for the first couple of hours
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: and then took her home.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: And went back.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: On that night.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: We'll wrap up.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Good on you all. Thanks so much for your time
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: this morning.