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Announcers We Love to Hate! · Pittsburgh Sports Memories

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_04: Hey everybody, welcome to the Pittsburgh Sports Memories Podcast.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_04: My name's Tim Hannon.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm Steve Wirt.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_04: So in this episode, we're going to talk about the announcers that we love to hate.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_06: Shouldn't hate anybody, Tim.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_04: We shouldn't hate anybody, but in this case, we're going to hate on some announcers.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_06: Well, they had it coming.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_04: Announcers obviously part of the game.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_04: They help narrate what we're seeing.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_04: They give us, you know, insight.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: But a lot of times there are guys who we as Pittsburgh sports fans just plain don't like.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_04: And special thanks to a listener named Chris Baker who posted this as an idea on our Facebook page.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: By the way, if you're not subscribed to our Facebook page, go out and do that.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_04: We post a ton of great clips and stories about Pittsburgh sports history and do a lot of reminiscing too.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_04: And we're going to break this up into three sections.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_04: The people's choice, personal grudges, and then like a best of the rest.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_04: So after Chris posted that idea, I posted on our Facebook page to ask listeners who are the announcers who really get under your skin.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_04: And we got a lot of responses.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_04: So I used AI to do some sentiment analysis to rank who the most hated announcers were per the feedback our listeners gave.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll begin with the overwhelming winner.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_04: And it's this guy.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, watch Jay Zere here.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_10: He has Jamal Williams in man coverage.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_10: He's going to try and flag a little blitz just to mess with the young quarterback, but then he gets caught, and all the traffic goes green, and off the Green Bay Packers go, and Ryan Jay Deere knows a little too cute.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it's Chris Collinsworth, or Chris Collins worth less, as several people call him.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I just I just posted an example there.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, but there's far way worse.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_06: Like are he had he kind of has like his little like pet phrases when when he's like describing a player.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_06: He does.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_06: All this guy does is I think I think he does a lot of that, if I remember correctly.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: People don't like that he's he he kind of kind of kind of comes across as smug.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_04: He talks in that ha ha that sarcastic voice.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_04: And and people also think that he hates the Steelers because he played for the Bengals.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_06: I I'm not sure how true that is given that he has his anti-steeler moments, but I think for the most part he does try to be fair.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_06: He he does try to be fair.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and he he played for the Bengals in the 80s, Steve, when the the Bengals were good and the Steelers were bad.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm not sure he has like a whole lot of Yeah.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_06: The trauma that the 2000 Bengals have or the 90s men.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_06: Right, right.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_06: Did you ever see the video Chris Collins were talking about like trying to like date women back in the 80s?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, you I I don't even know if I care to repeat it, but it's hilarious.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_06: If you have a chance, go watch it.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_06: It's like he prefers women that are oh, how can I say this, not as intelligent because they're easier to fool.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_06: He literally says that on camera.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_06: So I mean, because it's 1983 and you're allowed to say.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's that that probably didn't age very well.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and speaking of women, there was an incident in 2020 in which he said he was, quote, blown away by how much women in Pittsburgh knew about football.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_04: I remember that.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, people thought that was sexist and patronizing, so he had to apologize.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_04: I I thought that was a little bit overblown.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_04: I think he was trying to pay a compliment.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_06: Why are we defending Chris Collinsworth?
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_06: The heck with him.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_06: I guess we're trying to be objective where we feel like I don't know.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_06: I'll try and be objective to Paul.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I and I have to make a confession, and hopefully this won't cause too many people to tune out or unsubscribe, but I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't really mind Collinsworth.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_04: I think he's kind of insightful.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_04: And and you know, I used to be in that camp.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_04: I was probably in that camp for 20 years where I couldn't stand him, but for some reason he's he's kind of grown on me over the years.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_06: I think he's mellowed a little bit.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_06: And with when he's with Tarico, Tarico does Sunday night football now.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_06: Tariko's uh boy, I didn't realize how good Mike Tarico's gotten, but hey, whatever.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're they're not a bad team.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_04: But I but I get why people don't like him.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: Again, he comes across as just a little bit unlikable for sure.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: And and and I think you're right, Steve.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_04: I think he has mallet.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_04: I think he was much more harsh in his earlier days.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_05: They'd be like, yeah, oh Nat, six Super Bowls, yeah, that's gonna win you a Super Bowl.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_05: He would have said something, I don't know, probably not that extreme.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_04: But but yeah, but that kind of like that sarc sarcasm.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_04: Here's a fun fact that'll make people happy.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_04: Guess how many touchdowns Chris Collinsworth had in his illustrious career against the Steelers defense?
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I'm gonna say one.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_04: Zero.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, I was over by one.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_06: So one would have been doubling his amount.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh all right.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I I won't, I won't, for the math nerds that are gonna say that uh one is not double zero, we'll just move past that.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I guess I guess technically it isn't.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_06: But if he would have gone from one to two, then there you go.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's definitely some so another very popular name that was mentioned by our listeners is this clown.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Did Pittsburgh actually escape with a victory?
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think so too, and they were the beneficiaries of a somewhat uh sketchy call at the end, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm with you on that one.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was too soft and too.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we want it to be sure in overtime.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: You want to be 100% sure.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: It looked like Crosby was leaning into him, and that's where the action took place, where he fell down.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think it should have been called.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_06: You know, Sidney Crosby's been called a lot of things in his career, and early on in his career, he did whine the officials a lot.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_06: I've never heard anybody except for this idiot say that he would took a dive.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_06: I've never he's not really a diver.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_06: He he's not, he really isn't.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_04: The context for that, too, that was an overtime playoff game that the penguins won on a power play.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so so if you're not familiar, the guy speaking there is Mike Melberry.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_06: He honestly does hate the penguins, he really does.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, he he has also ample reason to hate the penguins.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_04: Mike Melberry's name is not on the Stanley Cup.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_04: And perhaps the team most responsible for that is the Penguins who beat the Bruins.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe he should have thrown more hockey sticks on the ice.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_06: Like harass Badger Bob.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_06: Like, what a jerk.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_06: He's a jerk, Tim.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_06: Just say, come on.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_06: He's like calling Badger Bob the professor of like goonism and stuff.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, he's a he's a he's an absolute jerk.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_04: And and the penguins knocked the Bruins out of the 1991 and 1992 Wales Conference final when Millberry was the coach and then the GM.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I think he did, I think he does have ample reason to hate the Penguins.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_04: I think he I think that comes across.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um and and it's funny, Steve, in our in our post, not as many people mention Millberry as Collinsworth, but Collinsworth at least had a handful of defenders.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: I couldn't find one person defending Millberry.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you can't really defend like Millberry.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_04: He he also had the most amounts of people giving him creative uh adult themed derogatory nicknames, usually using like a male or female reproductive organ.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, I struggled a bit to parse through that one.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, we'll have to talk about those after the recording's over since this is a G-rated show.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_06: Well, this was a family show.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_06: I'm alluding to someone we'll talk about.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we'll talk about that guy later.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh probably the one comment that people remember most from Millberry's time as a sportscaster came in 2012 when he says this about Sidney Crosby.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_04: And remember, this is right around the time Crosby is finally coming back from all those multiple concussions.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_04: Remember, he was out for you know off and on for over a year, and he's he's just coming back, and Mike Millberry says, quote, this is about a recent game that had happened, quote, little goody two shoes goes into the corner and gives a shot to Braden Shen.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_04: So Crosby gets cross-checked, big whoop.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_04: He said after he came back from his 35th concussion, I'm not gonna get into scrums, but he couldn't help himself because he is a punk.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_06: I'd like to see the highlight, like he went into the corner and like battled it out.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_06: Like, what is he supposed to do?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_06: Not go in the corner and battle.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_06: I I I don't know.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: And and the worst thing about that quote, Steve, he says that on a Philadelphia radio station, which is so cowardly.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_04: So cowardly, like you're just pandering to a group of people that hate Crosby.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh he catches a lot of flack for that.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_04: And and Millberry issues like a hollow apology for that.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_04: Crosby's agent comes out and rejects that apology and says the real way to fix this is by firing Mike Milberry, which doesn't happen in 2012, but does happen eventually.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_06: But that was due to a sexual harassment lawsuit, wasn't it?
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: I thought it was something he said on the air that was anti.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_06: I think it was, you know, women.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_06: But now I heard it and I remember now I'm gonna defend Mike, but I didn't think much of it, but maybe I'm just a big sexist.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I I think, Steve, it's one of those it's like Al Capone getting caught on tax evasion.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's not the worst thing that Al Capone ever did, but it was like nobody felt bad because it was a lifetime of doing a bunch of things that he should have got caught for.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_04: Does that make sense?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_06: Like that's like when Al Capone also got syphilis.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we'll take it that far.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_04: All right, a lot of listeners still don't like the next guy on our list, even though he retired from announcing it 20 years ago.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's Bob Trumpy.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_04: And I'll say, Steve, that in my house growing up, no one triggered the automatic turn down the TV and put on Myron on the radio, quite like Bob Trumpy.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I I have no opinion on Bob Trumpy because he was a little bit before my time, Tim.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_06: My parents did not watch the Steelers growing up.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_04: I remember him.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, similar to the first two guys, there was a perception that because he played for the Bengals in the 70s, he hated the Steelers.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_04: And I'd say, unlike Collinsworth, Trumpy was actually on a bunch of teams who were good enough to be contenders, but always got stymied by the Steelers.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_04: So he at least had, you know, motive.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh here's an example of that.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: This is this is Bob Trumpy getting really excited about the Oilers beating the Steelers.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Touchdown again! Put that one in the highlight reel.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: Unbelievable throw and an indescribable catch.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_04: Now, that that's an isolated example there.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_04: You know, so on one hand, it's like it's like, oh, oh yes, yes, heated Steelers, right?
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_04: Or or maybe he was just legit impressed by a diving catch by Drew Hill and not just excited that the Steelers were losing.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_06: Uh yeah, you you could look at that one of two ways.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_06: It just sounds like he's getting excited and it costs us a game, and like Bob Trumpy probably didn't like the Steelers, and maybe that I don't know.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_06: I I can't I can't parse that out effectively.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_06: I'm uh I'm sorry, Tim.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_04: I just again, Steve, this is all perception.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_04: If I had time to capture hours and hours of Bob's Trumpy Steeler game audio and run it through a computer program to determine how truly biased he was, then I would I would do that.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_04: But as it stands, it's perception is all we have to go on.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_06: Well, they say perception can you know become your reality, you know.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_04: And it it wasn't just the fans either.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_04: The Post Gazette used to call him Grumpy Trumpy.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_06: Grumpy Trumpy.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_06: Well, then maybe there's whether I I mean that's rare that the paper calls out somebody like that.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_04: Now now to be fair, there was some debate on Trumpy on our Facebook page.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_04: Some people said they found him really knowledgeable and that he had that great kind of like booming announcer voice that people liked.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, there were some people that said, no, no, he was he was pretty good.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, here's a fun fact about Bob Trumpy, Steve.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_04: He hosted a sports talk radio show in Cincinnati, and one night a woman called in and said she wanted to kill herself.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_04: So Trumpy kept her on the phone and on the air for two and a half hours.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_06: I've heard this story, yeah.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and she finally like gives her a location and they get an ambulance there.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: So he basically helped save the lady's life.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_06: So he wasn't a bad guy, he just didn't like the Steelers very much.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I I mean Or he liked Drew Hill's catch.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_06: He was really impressed by it in the snow.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_04: So the next guy on our list is another polarizing announcer, and one I think Steve and I will disagree on, because I kind of like this guy, but Steve, like many of our listeners, is not a fan.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's Tony Romo.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_06: Well, let's see what happens next, Tim.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, here's some of the phrases used to describe Romo in our little informal poll.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh let's see.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_04: Never shuts up, makes my ears bleed.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_04: Irrelevant chatter.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_06: Irrelevant chatter.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_06: Interesting.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: I find him kind of congenial.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_06: I think he's uh I I think the problem with Tony Romo is he's he's got one trick, and that one trick wears thin after one season, and that's like when I first watched it, I thought, oh, this is really cool, this is a really great perspective on the game.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_06: But like when he's like all the time, it's kinda there's a couple other people I've looked through our list.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_06: It's like a little bit of these people goes a long way.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_06: Like I can take these people in small doses, and I think that's what happened with Tony Romo is he just like, okay, big deal, you can read a blitz.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_06: Yay, you know, that's great, uh, and it's cool.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: It was cool the first two times it happened, but yeah, I I get what you're saying, because that was that was kind of like a a big deal at first, you know.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_04: He would basically kind of like tell you what play was coming before before it happened, uh, which was kind of new or insightful, but like you said, it wasn't it wasn't like he could do that every play, and it was just that was kind of his special skill set, and it wasn't something that was super sustainable.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I always thought Ron Jwarski was better at that like breaking down tape than him.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_06: But he was on the Monday night football, but they but he was like the third or fourth guy in, so I think it worked better that way because it wasn't like a constant flow of oh look, this was 32 post X Circle.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, the receiver shouldn't have done this, and the defenders back should have done that.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_06: So I don't know.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_06: I don't need somebody to to tell me what I'm seeing.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_06: I I think I've been a fan long enough to know what I'm seeing, but maybe it helps out.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_06: Like I think a casual fan would probably find it informative.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, maybe that's that's fair.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_04: So next on the list is Phil Sims.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_04: And unlike some of the unlike some of the previous entries, I don't think anyone thinks he like hates Pittsburgh per se.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: I think people just don't like him because they don't think he's very good.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_04: And I I don't disagree.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_04: He's he's kind of stiff.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_04: He caught it.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: He caught it, Tim!
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I was just gonna say I the play I will always remember that Steve's referring to, the the the famous final play of the 1995 AFC Championship game where he incorrectly yelled out that the Colts had caught the Hail Mary pass and gave me a freaking heart attack.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and and that was a mistake.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, announcers make mistakes.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_06: It was a close call.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_06: The ball did bounce off the receiver laying on the ground.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: He just his analysis was never that astute.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_04: I you know what it, Steve?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: I never understood why he was on the number one team for like two decades.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_04: If he would have been like on the fourth team or something, I I would have been like, okay, whatever.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_04: I I I think that was it.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like, why was he always the number one guy?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I I was he that big it I bet if he doesn't play for the Giants, he never even gets a job in the media.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_06: And I don't like I don't understand, like, like, does he have like the naked pictures of like the executive's wife or something?
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_06: And like, oh, you know.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: That's actually a good point.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_04: Is that I wonder if being in that New York market helped him.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: I think too, he was remember he had um when he first started, he had he had just come off of playing.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_04: And that's the same thing that happened with Tony Romo.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_04: That's the same thing that happened with Tom Brady.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's like, oh, this guy was just a high-level elite NFL quarterback like last season.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_04: So they're gonna have like insight that you just wouldn't believe compared to like these guys that retired 10 years ago.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that was the so I get why maybe they wanted to make him the number one guy immediately.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_04: I guess I don't understand why he stuck for that long.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_06: Like it was he he was always wrong, too, about that.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_06: Like he'd say, Oh, the Steelers need to run the ball, and it's like, no, they need to pass the ball.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_06: There's like 10 people, you know, guarding the line of scrimmage, Phil.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_06: Like it just it was a lot of like stupid analysis like that.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_06: It just always seemed like he was wrong.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_04: It just like whatever he said, it was like, okay, just think the exact opposite because yeah, he's he's got that, he's got that um, you know, like Bud Dupuy or or um um Terrell Edmonds syndrome, where it's like you know, if if we don't draft that guy in the first round and we draft him in the fourth round, then nobody's really looking at them under a microscope.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_04: But because Phil Sims was always front and center for every big game, I think that's why people were and people didn't like him.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like I said, if he was like the fourth announcing guy, I don't think people would have cared that much.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, we're gonna go a little old school with these next two.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_04: First up, it's Kurt Gowdy.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_04: And if you're too young to remember, Gowdy was pretty much the voice of the 1970s.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_04: He called Super Bowls, World Series, the Olympics, the Final Four.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously, Pittsburgh teams were involved in a lot of big games during that era.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: And once again, there's a perception that he hated the Pirates and the Steelers.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_04: Gowdy is a little bit before my time.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I remember him, Steve, but he was like very much in his later years by the time I was old enough to remember watching games.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_06: I yeah, I I remember more Keith Jackson than Kurt Gowdy, quite honestly.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I I sure I know I've watched old Super Bowls and seen them call them, but I don't remember it's different when you watch a game you know the outcome too than when you're watching it live.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that that's a good point.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_04: And and the only insight I can glean from watching those old clips is it kind of similar to Phil Sims.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_04: I I didn't quite understand why he was the number one announcer for NBC.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: He just didn't seem to bring a lot of uh charisma.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: And and I have a I have a good example of that, Steve.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_04: This is this is Hank Aaron hitting his 715th home run.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_06: And if you're not familiar with that event it'll never stand the test of time, Tim.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_04: Well, if if everybody was on a level playing field, it probably would have.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_04: But but you know, if if that event at the time was monumental because not only did not only did anyone think it was impossible that someone in the modern era could hit as many home runs as Babe Ruth did, but it was being done by a black man who, at the start of his career, was playing in the segregated Negro leagues.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_04: So let's hear how Kirk Gowdy treats that historic moment.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_10: Aaron in his earlier days used to hit more to right and right center than the left.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_10: There's a long drive.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_10: Balls it deep.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_10: Deep.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_10: It is gone.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: He did it! He did it! Henry Aaron is the all time homeland leader now.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_04: Henry Aaron is the all-time guy who didn't all over the wall thingy.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, he didn't have like an aneurysm about it, but Babe Bruce record is broken.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yay.
• 21:37
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• 21:40
  SPEAKER_04: For a crisp taste and a good time, reach for Stroes.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't think it was that bad, too.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_04: I thought it was terrible.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, there is an art to calling like a historic moment or like a big moment in a game.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_06: Like, I like sometimes, and there are other people, like there's certain announcers that are good, like where they just let the moment breathe, you Yes.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: Like they'll just be quiet and let you hear the crowd and watch what's happening.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: I I think a good example of that.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: Go back and listen to Vin Scully calling uh Kirk Gibson hitting that home run in the nineteen eighty eight World Series.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's like he is gone, and then he just lets you hear the crowd.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: But he's but he's not like, you know, he's gone, oh my god, the greatest home run in Dodgers history.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_04: He doesn't do that, nor he does he do the ball's over the wall and the Dodgers win now.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_06: That's kind of what I felt like Kirk Outy was doing in that so you don't like the jackbuck, we'll see you here tomorrow night.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_04: No, that was good too.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: I like that too.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's just it's it's you can put a little stamp on it too.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_04: I I I don't know.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_04: To to be fair, it's really easy for me to sit there and criticize, you know, that something like that.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_06: But it's like when you're an announcer, you don't He didn't know Hank Air was gonna hit the Hank Air to probably bat it a couple other times that game.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_06: Who knew when the home run was coming?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not an easy thing.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_04: So like I said, it's real easy for me to sit here on my chair and criticize, but I I just didn't think he had a whole lot of charisma.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_04: If you watch like the Steelers like Cowboys Super Bowl, I feel feel like it's the same thing.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_04: But but again, I I don't know.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_04: I I like I said, I didn't I didn't you're right, Steve.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's different watching a game when you already know the outcome.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_04: So but people did have him on the list.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_04: So and they said and people felt like he didn't like the Pittsburgh teams.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: Again, hard hard to say because I I don't really remember remember listening to it at the time.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the next guy on our list is hated by a whole lot more people than just Pittsburgh sports fans.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, rightfully so, rightfully so.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_09: This is a city of champions, and they're very proud of it.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_09: That's one of the good things that can come from sport.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_09: It can uplift an entire city.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_09: Give them a sense of pride.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_04: That's Howard Cosell.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, can I make a comment about that?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_06: Have you ever watched a replay of the seventh game of the 1979 World Series?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sure I have, but I I what did Howard Cosell do?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_06: Howard Cosell did call that game, and um apparently he forgot to uh change into his uh Baltimore baseball cap and jersey because like he just does nothing but like worship the Orioles and oh the pirates are playing, oh the pirates are winning, oh don't worry, this guy in the stands.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_06: I forget the guy.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_06: There's like some guy with a weird name, like Gorilla J.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_06: He wears like a cowboy hat and leads the chair.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_06: He's like, oh, he's gonna break like like who cares?
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_06: It's like but he did a lot worse things, like he was just very New York condescending about everybody else, every other city.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_06: If you're not from New York, you don't matter.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_06: But I will say the one thing I do agree with Howard Cosell, and he was right about this, and he used to call it the jock ocracy, like how all the former players were going into broadcasting, and that necessarily wasn't a good thing because they really aren't journalists.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_06: And that comes to play with a lot of people on this list.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_06: Like there's like people that have the skill to be journalists, and there's people that have like a professional, what would I say, like a rational detachment or professional separation.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_06: Like you can't be buddy buddy with like people you're trying to cover because you're gonna have to be objective and say probably not nice things about them.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_06: But I think you know, if people are grown-ups and you're fair and your criticism isn't just well, his mom wears army boots, you know, then you'll be okay.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_06: Keep the ad hominem attacks out of it, you know.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_06: But what are you gonna do?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_06: Like, like I I think too, like, and maybe I should have said this at the beginning, like, what do you think makes a great announcer, Tim?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_06: What what what are like some qualities?
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_06: Because I I know what I think uh I I have like too, like if you're like covering it.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think I think you're right that the the impartiality is important, you know.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_04: Now now if you're like the the penguins radio announcer, that's a different different thing.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: But if you're a national for the national guys, that's impartiality is important.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um but I think just being able to have the and and it's and it's a hard skill set to develop that ability to kind of do what we said, like be able to narrate what's going on without without overwording it or underwording it, bringing some level of the excitement because what you're watching is ex supposed to be exciting at times, right?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, I I think I think the two things I I I always look for is be knowledgeable and be entertaining.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_06: If you're those two things, then you're probably fine.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_06: You you're you know, you're you're gonna be good.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_04: Well, to be fair, Howard Costell was entertaining and knowledgeable.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, yeah.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, love him or hate him.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_06: He definitely hated like anything outside of New York.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_06: It just wasn't Pittsburgh.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_06: Like, didn't he?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_06: He like there's like video of him like just calling the people from Buffalo like total rubes and stuff.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: He was, you know, I I think too, Steve, he was a huge personality with a lot of hot takes in an era where you didn't have a lot of that in sports media.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_06: I feel like he would have fit right in, yeah, now.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, he would just be another talking head on like the three o'clock ESPN round table scream at each other show.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: But back in the 1970s, he was a real pol polarizing figure, and it made him ultra famous.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, for a sports broadcaster, everybody knew who Howard Cousell was.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody could impersonate that voice.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so and I don't think that that there was anything that really made Pittsburgh fans not like him that you couldn't apply to every other fan base.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_04: I think you either liked him rocking the boat or you were angered by it.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_06: And too, like, you know, it like to his own like detriment, he was like friends with Mohammed Ali, like really good friends with Mohammed Ali.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_06: So you know, how can you I I don't know.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_06: I guess nobody ever completely accused him of being objective about anything.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: So Yeah, probably.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: So the last guy in the people's choice category is John Madden.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: And this one I think is really largely dependent on your age.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_04: I think if if you remember him being the Raiders coach in the 70s and you probably don't like him, if you remember him as an announcer and as the name on your favorite video game, then you probably have a m a more highly favorable opinion of him.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think, Steve?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_06: I think you hit the nail on the head or the you know the immaculate in the reception.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_06: I always thought, you know, it would I I don't think Madden, like especially as he got older, like that la his last game was Super Bowl 43, right?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_06: Correct.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_06: And he called that right down the middle.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_06: Like he had great, like once again, what did I say?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_06: Knowledgeable and entertaining.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_06: And Madden was both.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_06: Like when remember, I forget what team it was, they played 12 guys on the field.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_06: He's like, Oh, it's the old 444.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_06: And I was like, that's hilarious, you know.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_06: Like it's just like he would come up with stuff and like, hey, you got a guy over here and a guy over there, and whipped me.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_06: Like it was just it was just you know, he's ex the explaining a play, whereas like you know, Kirk Gowdy display described the play, well, you see the running back goes over here, and the you know, right?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_06: There's just two different ways of doing it.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_06: So passion, like having something you're knowledgeable about and being passionate about, like definitely can make anything, any subject interesting.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I think that that's why the video game was so successful, because it wasn't just him, you know, back then, you know, people don't remember people people are able to remember all the NES games where you know Roger Clemens baseball or uh backyard baseball.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_04: But but well, just like you slapped an athlete's name on Wayne Gretzky hockey.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_06: Did Mario I think Mario had a lot of genesis game?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_04: So so now you know uh you asked Mario Lemieux, like, well, did you have a lot of input into the Sega Genesis game?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_04: I doubt it.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's like, well, well, did we, you know, what about line changes and and make sure that that you know, there's a there's a checking line and and uh you know defensive pairing that no, I doubt it.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's just you're slapping your name on it.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: Where John Madden really wanted to be involved in the design and the creation and and make it realistic.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_04: And people really um that's why that game became the iconic game that it became, uh, because of him, and because he really actually wanted to make it his game.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_04: And and so, yeah, you're right.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_04: I I I you know I I get people in Pittsburgh, because in the 70s, I mean the Raiders were just you Steve did a whole episode about it.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: The Raiders were public enemy number one.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I get why people hated them.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_04: He was the leader, well, Al Davis, he and Al Davis were kind of the leader of that.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_06: He whined about a lot of things too, like every call and stuff he whined about, especially in the paper.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_06: But I always felt as an announcer, like once again, he was knowledgeable, entertaining.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_06: You don't necessarily, like, at least in sports, and in journalism in general, if you do have a bias, at least identify it.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_06: He never pretended to be anything than not the ex-raiders coach, you know.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's true.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_06: And he did he did have players he really liked, like Favre.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_06: Remember that, like the one Caliendo used to make Favre, Favre, Favre, Favre.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, in his John Matt voice.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's very true, also.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so the next category I'm calling personal grudges, because these are guys who aren't necessarily gonna make a most hated list, but that we have to include for petty personal reasons.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I love petty personal reasons.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: So, so I have three guys on my list, and Steve has three guys on his list.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna I'm gonna do my list first.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_04: The first guy on my list is Bill Walsh.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_06: Because you hate offense.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, and you may be asking, well, hang on, Tim.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_04: You mean the legendary 49ers coach?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_04: I don't even remember him being an announcer.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_04: And you're right, he wasn't an announcer for very long, but I remember him because of a 1991 game between Pitt and Notre Dame.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_04: So, so some context for that game.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Pitt and Notre Dame have played each other 23 times since 1990, and there's only been two of those times where both of them were ranked in the top 25 at the same time.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_04: The 2025 game and this game in 1991.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: Pitt was 5-0, they were number 12 in the country, Notre Dame was number seven in the country.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_04: So that's a huge game.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_04: You know, 12 versus 7.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_04: If Pitt could beat Notre Dame in South Bend, then they were going to establish themselves as a legit college football powerhouse.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: So so in that game, Notre Dame takes an early 7-0 lead on a touchdown by some guy named Jerome Bettis.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_06: He'll never do anything.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_04: No, I don't know what happened to him.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_04: But but but Pitt's kind of hanging in there.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_04: If they can just keep it close, maybe their offense will start to click.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the entire first half, Bill Walsh, who's calling this game for NBC, is just beside himself over Pitt's special teams, and he just keeps bloviating on and on about how Pitt's begging to have a punt block because of how slow they are in executing.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_04: And sure enough, this happens and blows the game wide open.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_09: People had really been projecting uh oh dirty.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_09: You called it, coach.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_09: The block punt and a touchdown Notre Dame to Reggie Brooks.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_08: Well, you can see that coming.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_08: The previous two punts.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_08: Uh Teodoro was simply too slow getting the ball off.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_08: And it was going to be there.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_08: Notre Dame watched it twice, then went forth the third time, blocked it for the touchdown.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_04: You just see Bill Wallace.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_04: Like in your backyard, you know, being like, Yeah, I I told you if you didn't take care of those weeds, it was gonna be a problem.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_04: And now, you know, like I I I told I said it.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like I I just I just yeah.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_04: So Notre Dame ends up winning in a blowout, and in my angry teenage mind, it's all Bill Wallace's fault.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_04: And and in that that 1991 game, I know a lot of people wouldn't remember that, but that was really the high point for Pitt until Larry Fitzgerald, like a decade later.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, Pitt would never sniff number 12 in the country again if it's a few.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_06: They would like you to sniff five wins, Tim.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, exactly.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_04: That's exactly right, Steve.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: So so that was actually a big turning point in Pitt history.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: And and again, you know, if you'd say the 1991 Pitt team, nobody's gonna remember them as a contender, but if they would have they would have been six and oh.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_04: Right, and they would have beaten number seven.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_04: They they they would have been uh and that was Alex Van Pelt's, I think, junior season.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_04: So it wasn't it wasn't, you know.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_06: I I I just remember did you say that was ninety one or eighty?
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_06: I can't whoop did they go to like the John Hancock bowl or the ended up, I think, dropping almost the rest of their games.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_04: But it just it it so again, Bill Walsh is not to blame.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_04: Like, let's be actually realistic.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's not not Bill Walsh's fault, but it's just that that thing of you know, your team got exposed, they they were kind of frauds, they weren't really the contender you thought they were.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_04: And Bill Walsh is just like rubbing it in.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I I told them I knew I knew they were gonna get that pump look.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know why.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_04: I don't, you know, it was pretty much.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_04: Why they even bothered punting?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_04: They should have done things.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they should have just throwing the ball into the end zone and let Notre Dame fall on him.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why I don't like Bill Walsh as an announcer.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_04: Good coach.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_04: Didn't like him as an announcer.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_06: Well, you know they're you know who didn't like Bill Walsh either?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_06: Paul Brown.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_06: So you're in good company.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but you know, Bill Walsh.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_06: For different for way different reasons.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_04: Different reasons.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm sure Bill Walsh is like, I told you I could have won you four super or three Super Bowls, but you know, you didn't want to, so you wanted the you wanted the Bengals to lose to the super in the Super Bowl to me, I guess.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: So well.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_04: Another guy who I have to put on the personal grudge list is Paul McGuire.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_04: He was a football announcer.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, this is deservedly so.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: And he is he was on ESPN too.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: Not not a bad announcer, but what I used to hate about him.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_05: He's too much.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: Well, his unmitigated love and affection for the Baltimore Ravens, and specifically a linebacker named Ray Lewis.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_06: Look at this, he's the best ever.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_06: Where was I wish Paul McGuire would have announced that game they lost in the playoffs where Dan Kreider ran look at that! Paul, fuck Paul, look, there's your boy.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I forgot I had to guess I hate this guy as much as you do.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_04: So so if you're wondering what Steve and I are talking about, take take a listen to just a small sample size.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_09: Ray Lewis.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_09: Ray Lewis.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_09: Getting in your face, watching where the ball is, and then timing it perfectly.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_09: Number fifty two.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_09: That's the last time we really have to tell his number, I guess.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_09: Ray Lewis.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_09: Bang.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_09: You know what you have to love as much about him as anything?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_09: If this team was 0 15, he'd be playing exactly the same.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_09: You wouldn't know the score.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_09: You wouldn't know the record.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_09: Let me tell you something, Amos Zero Way.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_09: Don't stop.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_09: But right law is coming out.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_09: Ray Lawrence is gonna nail you.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_06: Was this the year?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_06: Was this the year where we met them in the playoffs?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_06: Or no, I wish it would have.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_06: Because Paul, they met in the playoffs, and Zaraway had like over a hundred yards rushing with Ray Lewis, Ray Lewis playing Ray Lewis defense.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh you just it's hard to like, I have to choke back the vomit.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_04: Listen, let me tell you something, Damon Zero.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_04: You just don't even bother running the ball.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: Just take a knee because Ray Lewis is gonna smack you in the face.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh just shut up.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, that's that's why Paul McGuire's on my list.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the last guy on my list is Sean McDonough.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_06: He's got that accent.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_06: It's his accent that annoys us.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_06: And he's a Nepo baby.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_06: He's a Nepo baby.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: Well, well, he Yeah.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: Sean, and and to be fair, Sean McDonough has had quite a distinguished career.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_04: He's called NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, college football, college basketball.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_04: He's won awards, he's highly regarded in the field of broadcasting.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_05: Jeez, I didn't realize that.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_04: But but every time I hear his voice on a sporting event, I have an instant trauma response because literally all I can hear is this.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_04: I know it's coming.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: Just as a score of the tie run.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: Green to the plate.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: And he is safe.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_03: Safe of the plate.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_03: The Braves come in the world series.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_06: See, that's actually a good job by him, even though it's a jerk-off play.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_06: But no, he was definitely safe there.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_06: Um he wasn't uh it it's it it because like he does get excited, but then he kind of goes quiet and lets the crowd roar.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's just that he's the voice of like the the worst.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_06: Wasn't he there for the slide?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_06: I think he was there for the Tyler was that the Rodra, the Tyler Palco slide for Walt Harris too against UCOI.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_06: No, great.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_04: I I'm I'm even better.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_04: But but just like the the you're safe, and it's like that Mickey mail.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's like he's safe, ha ha ha ha.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_04: Brave's way, ha ha.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_06: So it's not necessarily Sean McDonough, it's just that he had the unfortunate task of the city.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that's it.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_06: Which he actually didn't do a terrible job of.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_04: Steve, I said I said petty personal reasons.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_06: Well, you're allowed, you're allowed to be petty.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: So so that's my that's my list of three guys.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_04: Steve has some picks for this category too.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_04: So Steve, I'll let you you kick us off with your picks.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_06: My my petty pick.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_06: Uh first off, is like a guy probably nobody would really pick would be Jim Nance.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_06: And um I just he's just so vanilla, Tim.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_06: It's just it's hard to I don't know what to say.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_06: He's just he's not very like he's a bit uh he's called he retired from Marsh Madness doing them in 2023.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_06: And I think he's just like a golf announcer.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_06: I think if he just stuck a golf, he'd probably be fine because he just strikes me as like a golf announcer calling NFL games.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_06: Like we need like a polite clap when someone scores a touchdown.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_06: Oh yes, a very good touchdown by uh Jerome Bennisser.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_06: But um, and then there's the infamous fart incident with uh Phil Sims during a wild card game between the Steelers and Dolphins.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_06: Which the Steelers won.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_06: And I I have I have linked to the video to that if you want to post that Tim somewhere.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I was gonna do the audio, but the audio doesn't do it justice.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_06: No, because he's like, it's cold out there in Phil Sims.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_06: Well, it's getting warmer in here, like jokingly.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_06: It's like another fine Phil Sims broadcasting moment.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_04: And and Jim Nance literally like looks like he's about to like faint and he like moves away from the camera like before they cut away.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, I gotta get it.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_05: He's like, I'm worried about you.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a pretty funny clip, but but again, you can't, it doesn't do it justice unless you actually see the video.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Jim Nance is is uh he's fine.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_04: I don't I don't I don't feel strongly one way or another about him.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_04: Uh you could also argue that like why is he the number one guy?
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_04: But I think I think the vanillaism that you mentioned, Steve, is probably why he's the number one guy.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_04: He doesn't he hasn't ruffled too many feathers, he's very kind of like steady as he goes, and maybe that's that's why he's in that position.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_06: It gives me Paul Alexander vibes.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's a good local comp.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_06: Um how about Randy Cross, Tim?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um he played for the 49ers and he just like he was a CBS game commenter from eight game commentator from 89 to 93, an NBC game commentator from 94 to 97, and then a s back to CBS from 89 to 2009 for NFL games.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_06: Um I think he has a I think he has an obvious bias against the Steelers.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_06: He just gets way too happy when the Steelers are losing.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_06: And um he just and he comes off like as a conceited jerk, like kind of like a know-it-all, and like he's always wrong.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_06: Like there was a game where and this is actually on like I guess the young Turks used to have a football podcast of some sort, and they were talking about a game the Raiders were playing when Tom Cable was the coach, and there was like a minute and a half left, and like Randy Cross is like, why are they going for it on fourth and ten?
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_06: It's like there's a minute and a half left, and they're down by one.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_06: What do you want them to do?
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_06: And like, even like that uh Ben Menkowitz or whatever was like, Yeah, this was a terrible announcement.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_06: And then like they end up picking up the the first down, and like Randy Cross is like, well, that just they just got lucky, that worked out.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_06: It's like, what are you talking about?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_06: You're just horrible.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_04: So I I the the conceited jerk, I think, um I I used to think the same thing.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_04: He was very pompous.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_06: But he's always wrong.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_06: There's there's no reason to be like, dude, have a little humility.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_06: You're wrong like 80% of the time.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and and even if you even if he wasn't, it's like still carry yourself with just a little bit of like yeah, you know, you you he he just he looked like you know, eye.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: Played in the NFL and I played on the 49ers and we won Super Bowls.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I know more than all of you common people know.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_04: And that's kind of how he carried him.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_06: He would talk about himself in the third person too.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_06: Randy Cross knows this game.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_04: He would be one of those guys for sure.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_06: Well, um, that's enough.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, Randy Cross is always a good guy, but I'm saving my vest for last, the PS de Resistance.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_06: And I have a lot of, I dug up a lot of dirt and I spent like way more time researching this than I probably should have on this guy.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_04: Steve really got into the hate part of this one.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, for no good reason.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_06: And that would be one Jim Gray.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_06: Um, he's been around a long time.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_06: Like, I remember I was researching, I think, a game, uh, one of our other podcasts, and he was like a sideline reporter, and like the Steelers were playing the Colts at a playoff game, and he was just sitting there, oh, the Steelers know they need to run the ball better, and blah, blah.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_06: And it was just like, okay, Jim Gray, like you don't have a scoop here.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_06: Um, he's just very smarmy, not like conceited, but like smarmy.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_06: That's a good word.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_06: And um the the and like he has like this, oh, I'm like this tough, hard-nosed reporter thing.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_06: But it's just a facade because he's only like that with certain players that he doesn't like.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_06: And the examples of this are there is a game two World Series, I want to say early 2000s.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_06: It was 99.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_06: 99, yeah.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_06: Before the game two, um, they interviewed like all the they had like an all-century team for baseball, and they had like um, what's his name?
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_06: The guy from Boston before he died.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_06: Um Ted Williams.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_06: Ted Williams.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_06: They had like a bunch of like guys that were still living at the time.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_04: Like it was it was 1999, so they were doing like a literally that was gonna be the last couple of baseball games of the century.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_06: Century, yeah.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_06: So they had like obviously Hank Aaron there, like I forget it was probably Ernie Banks, whoever, like you said, all these living legends.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_06: Like, you know, Nolan Ryan was probably there, maybe Roger Clemens, you know, whoever, not Roger Clemens, he was still playing, but you know what I mean.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_07: Right, right.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, so they have Pete Rose, because he's the all-time hit later in Ty Cobb's Dead.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um, but he comes up and he's like, Oh, given all the stuff about you know the the gambling, do you want to take time to apologize for that?
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_06: And Pete Rose is like, oh, I'm just here to celebrate baseball, and I never did that, and fine.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_06: So Pete Rose lies, just leave it at that.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_06: I think if Jim Gray just would have asked this question and left it at that and said, Okay, Pete, well, that's you know, well, how do you feel about this being inducted to this team?
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_06: If he would have moved on to the next question, we probably wouldn't remember this happen.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_06: But no, he goes, Well, given all the evidence, don't you think like he like he's like freaking like I don't know, like a 60 minutes interview?
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, like he's Mike Wallace or something.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's like what do you think it was literally the context of this was it was on the field after they had like they had introduced everybody?
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's like here's Ted Williams, who's 90 years old and in a wheelchair, yeah.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, they had introduced everybody.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_04: Pete Rose got a big ovation, and it was like, oh, let's go down to Jim Gray.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_04: He's with Pete Rose to, you know, and you're thinking like that that would be the time, like you said, for you know, Pete, what does it mean to you to hear all the fans, you know, cheering?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, what do you think about having all these being amongst all these other legends?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like those kinds of questions.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_04: It was not the time or place for for a for a gotcha interview.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and Pete Rose to his credit actually handled it well.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_06: Like now he lied about the gambling thing, yeah, but he didn't make a big deal.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_06: He's just oh I'm just here to be part of the team, just happened to be on the same field, is these other great players, like stuff to that extent, you know, typical, you know, whatever.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well, here, here, I have some audio that.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, here you go.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_04: Here, and this is after this is remember, this is the end of the this is like after Jim Gray was pressing him for like two minutes, yeah.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_04: Just constantly, like, again, like grilling him.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_06: And it takes away, it becomes a story after the game.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_06: Like, it takes away from like a great game, too.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_06: It's like, what do you Jim Gray people were angry?
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_04: Hang on, let's play the audio.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, those who will hear this tonight will say that you have been your own worst enemy continue to be.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_02: How do you respond to that?
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm surprised you're you're you're you're bombard me like this.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm going to interview with you on a great guy to great questions.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh great old question, everybody seems to be good.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you're bringing up stuff that happened 10 years ago.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_02: I bring it up because I think people would like to see a we gotta go, we gotta go.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: It was great to find an interview, and I'm very surprised that you I am really surprised that you didn't take the opportunity.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_06: Smart me, like you said.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, someone would be surprised you didn't take the opportunity.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_06: And he does that all through his career, and it's like, okay, fine, you're a hard-nosed reporter, you're ought to get that answer.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, there's a time and a place for that.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_06: If Pete Rose would agree with a sit-down interview somewhere with you and you hit him with those, and Pete Rose doesn't answer.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_06: Well, what can you do?
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_06: What can you do, Jim?
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_06: Like you're gonna give him sodium penthanol, truth serum.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_06: You know, what are you gonna do, man?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_06: It it you end up looking like the bad guy, and you made Pete Rose out to be a martyr.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, out of all people, that's the funny thing.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_04: You're right, Steve.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_04: Out of the fun, that was Pete Rose ends up being the good guy in all this because people were angry.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_04: People, NBC was deluged with phone calls and and emails and everything else.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_04: And and and like, did Jim Gray actually in his head think, I'm gonna get Pete Rose on national television after you know, 10 years of denying this to admit that he actually gambled on baseball?
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_04: I think that's actually what he thought.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_04: And he was gonna win some kind of like broadcasting award for breaking this huge story.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I think that he was that full of himself in that moment.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_06: So, yeah, so after game three, which is the next game, a guy named Chad Curtis hits a walk-off home run to win the that World Series game for the Yankees, and he decides he just he goes up and Jim Gray tries to win.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_04: We have audio of that too, Steve.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, sure.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_06: Go ahead.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_06: Here's here's Chad Curtis's interview with Jim Gray after that home run, and this is the next day.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_06: It's with Jim Gray.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_11: All right, thank you very much, Bob.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_11: Chad, tell us about that pitch.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_11: Uh I kind of, you know, as a team, we kind of decided that, you know, we uh because of what happened with Pete, we're we're not gonna talk out here on the field.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_11: I do want to say that it's for you though, Grandma.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_11: Thanks.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_11: Chad, you don't want to talk about the home run?
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_11: All right, Bob, back upstairs to you.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_06: So that was like Chad Curtis, and Chad Curtis is no hero.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_06: He's kind of a jerk.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_06: He's like one of these, we gotta play baseball the right way, kind of guy.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_06: You mean like, and the Yankees deny that like they had anything to do with like they're like, no, we weren't involved with this.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_06: This is all just Chad Curtis, you know, doing his thing.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_06: But the fact that he even had the balls to do that, like, is wild.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_04: You're you're making Pete Rose and Chad Curtis the good guys.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_04: Like, like I remember when that happened, I'm like, good for you, Chad Curtis.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_04: Like, good for you, Yankees.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, wait a second.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_04: But that's how you felt.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_04: Because they were right.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_04: I hate to say it, they were Chad Curtis was right.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_04: He should have snubbed them.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you're gonna what are you gonna grill me on something after I hit a home run?
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_04: Like, do your job.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_04: Your job as a sideline reporter, as an on-the-field reporter or or whatever, is not to do a hard-hitting interview.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_04: So if you're not gonna do your job, then I'm not gonna talk to you.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_04: I I Cad Curtis did the right thing there, and Jim Gray's an idiot.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_06: Well, Jim Gray to his credit did uh apologize, and Jim Gray said, if in doing so the interview went on too long and took out some of the joy of the occasion, then I went to say to baseball fans everywhere that I'm very sorry about this.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_06: And he said that to the New York Post.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_06: Um, it's funny because Jim Gray is very selective with his outrage.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_06: He didn't get like mad or ask um LeBron James any tough questions about why he's leaving Cleveland, including with three other players to break the NBA rules to form a team in Miami.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_06: No, no, it was just an hour of where are you going, LeBron?
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_06: LeBron, you're so great.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_06: And you're giving all this money to boys and girls clubs.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_06: I love you, LeBron.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_06: I love you.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_06: And then he does it again in with uh Tom Brady.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_06: And Tom Brady, he literally had a podcast before the.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_06: I remember I couldn't like sometimes I'd be in a car like coming home on a Monday night and before, or it was Sunday night.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_06: It might have been the Sunday, one of those games before the football game would start, and it'd be like, here's Jim Gray with Tom Brady talking about blah, blah, blah.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_06: And it'd be like, today the Giants played the Arizona Cardinals.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_06: It's like, what do I like?
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_06: And Tom Brady would get on like there today and just like talk about his life.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_06: Like, uh today I drank an avocado milkshake.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_06: Ooh.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_06: Or no, he it'd be an avocado oat milkshake or something.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_06: And it was like totally, he never, Jim Gray never asked about spy gate, deflate gate, anything.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_06: No hard-hitting questions, no follow-up from Jim Gray.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_06: So once again, he's hypocritical.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_06: And this all goes back to how this ties to Pittsburgh is there was a Greg Lloyd incident in an interview in the locker room after the 95 AFC championship game, and Lloyd drops the F-bomb going, Hey, we're gonna take this all the way to the Fing Super Bowl.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_06: And Jim Gray, once again, in Smarmy fashion, just like that other well, this was a family show.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_06: And it's like, okay.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_06: So Jim picks and chooses who he wants.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_06: He's just really a hype man.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_06: My dad used to say that about the ESPN sports media.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_06: They've just even Howard Cosell, they're just Howard Cosell just became a hype man for Muhammad Ali.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_06: And that's the same.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_06: Jim Gray's just a hype man to whatever um athlete that will pay him enough money and has enough clout to make him famous.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_06: So Jim Gray's biggest fan is Jim Gray, and that's who he's faithful to.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_06: So and that's just why the whole holier than thou attitude he has rings false.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_06: Like, I'm the keeper of the game, I'm gonna make Pete Rose be honest.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_06: No, you're not.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_06: You're just there, you know, collecting a paycheck, and you never ask a tough question.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_06: If Pete Rose was paying for your interview, you would have asked him every softball question you could have.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_06: So Yep.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_04: Don't don't disagree with any of that.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I it's true.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_04: I never like it.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_06: It's just the hypocrisy, I think.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, totally fair.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, um, I'm throwing a bonus guy in this section, and it's Al Michaels.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_04: And this is because I was talking to my brother, telling him I was putting together this episode, and he's like, you have to include Al Michaels.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_04: Now, Al Michaels, of course, pretty well known, maybe the most accomplished announcer in the history of sports in terms of just the number of huge events called, Steve.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, he's gotta be up there, right?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_06: I believe in miracles, too.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_04: So a lot of people do not like Al Michaels, and and I'm gonna try to lay out my brother's reasons.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I like Al Michaels.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_06: I don't think he's that bad.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_04: So so so here's here's my brother's reasons.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_04: Uh number one, he's a vampire.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_06: Have you seen his reflection in a mirror?
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_06: If you hold up a cross, does he get scared?
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_04: Uh he's been doing this forever.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh case in point, Michael's literally called Roberto Clemente's final ever game in 1972, and he called it a Steelers game in 2025.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_04: That's how long this guy's been at it.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_06: It's probably an example of holding on too long, probably.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, we're gonna be able to do that.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_06: He was the he was the other half of uh the John Madden Super Bowl 43.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_06: He called that game, didn't he?
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_06: He did.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_04: He's been that's what I'm saying.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_04: He's been there forever.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_04: And here's a fun fact Al Michaels has admitted to never eating a vegetable.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_04: So as my brother put it, this man has survived for so long on what we can only assume is the blood of his enemies.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe he's drinking Kirk Gowdy's blood, or maybe uh number two, he's not very exciting in general.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_04: And in to your point, Steve, in recent years, he's struggled to follow the game.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, there's a there's a clip that made the rounds from this past season where Kristen Kirk ran into the end zone untouched, and everyone in the stadium knew it was a touchdown.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_04: The broadcast literally flashed touchdown on the screen, and now Michaels is like, they're gonna spot him down at the one-yard line.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_04: And it wasn't like he was tackled heading in, like he literally ran into the end zone, like he would he didn't fall down or anything.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_04: So, so there's yeah, there's definitely some evidence that Michaels is hanging on a little too long.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_04: And then, and then number three, and the one that that my brother always brings up, is that Michaels can run a master class on saying nothing.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_04: And he'll always point to this call from Super Bowl 40 to sum up why he doesn't like Al Michaels.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_09: You're gonna see Parker bursting one over the right side.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_09: They call him famous Willie Parker.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_09: And famous Willie Parker has just gone 75 yards for a touchdown.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_04: Did you know Willie Parker is fast?
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's why they call him fast Willie, because the speed, the speed of which he runs, it makes him fast.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_04: Get it?
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_04: Because he's fast and stuff.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_06: So I hear I hear he's really quick, too.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, Steve, he's he's not quick, Willie, he's fast.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_05: That's totally different.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_04: Totally different.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_05: He's speedy.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_04: Speedy delivery.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_04: Not speedy, he's fast.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_04: So you don't you don't mind Al Michaels?
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I I don't really watch the Amazon games much because they're normally god-awful.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_06: I I I haven't noticed the decline.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_06: That's what I'm trying to get at.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_06: I haven't seen enough of his recent work to and I there's another guy, I can't stand Herb Street, so I'm uh talk about a Ohio State Big Ten Homer.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and the you're right, those games, those Thursday night games always seem to be like somebody in the AFC South versus somebody else in the AFC South, and not a very entertaining Today.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_05: It's the one in five Titans versus the one in five New Orleans Saints.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_05: Let's see what happens.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_05: Right, exactly.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, so so that's our personal grudge section.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_04: Our last section is just gonna be kind of like a best of the rest.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_04: These are guys who were who were mentioned in our poll or who Steve Raw just wanted to throw out as possibilities.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_04: So maybe guys who generated like pockets of hate, but not really universal.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll start with Eye and Eagle.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know how you hate I and Eagle.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I some people so so he's a guy that he seems to, first of all, I don't know why, but the Steelers seem to get a lot of him these days.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_06: Well, he's always like the fifth guy in, isn't he?
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_06: Because like they used to call it the Eye and Eagle low def games back in the days when they would only televise so many games at high def and those were the good games.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_06: He gets it which means he gets the worst of the commentator or color guys, too.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and some people said they find him annoying annoying.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm with you.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't really have any strong opinions one way or the other.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_06: His son calls games now, too.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_06: Do you know that?
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Chris Collinsworth's son, too, is is well I think they got rid of him, didn't they?
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I have no idea.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_04: I just those that's how long those guys have been around, though.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I guess he found I guess Chris Collinsworth find found a woman that was uh not intelligent enough to shoe him away.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, maybe.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_05: It's like, son, let me tell you about the intelligence level of your mother.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_05: That would be Chris Collins jerk.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh let's see, who else we do?
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_04: Gus Johnson is a guy who tends to be polarizing.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_04: I love Gus Johnson, but I get why people don't like his over-the-top kind of style.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_06: Could you play the do you have the clip of uh Brandon uh who is it, Brandon Stokely scoring that touchdown against the Bengals for the Broncos?
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I don't, but he Oh man, I wish he had that.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_06: Like he you think he's having an like a stroke.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_06: I love I love Gus, and but he's like another one of those guys.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_06: He's good in small doses.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_06: Like I can take like one game of him like a couple months.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_06: Like after that, it it gets to be too much.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_06: It's too much.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_06: It's too much.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_06: It's like, and what a shot for three points.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_06: The score is 90 to 50.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_06: It's like, uh, okay, yeah, it's chill, chill, man.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_06: It's not that not that big of a deal.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_04: No, that's that's uh totally fair, and and so I get why he rubs people the wrong way.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_04: Greg Brown is a little bit like that, the Pirates announcer, he can be like that sometimes too, and I think people just sometimes tire of that.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_04: But I I don't know, I like him.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Todd Christensen, another ex-raider who never seemed to be a big fan of the Steelers.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, he definitely had like the definitely like know it all kind of attitude.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_06: Very air, he very Aerodite.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, it'd be like if George Plimpton was doing a podcast.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's struggling today like uh Hercules did in his seven trials of the Joe.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, very pompous, very elitist.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's how he always came across.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Joe Namath.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_04: I never liked Joe Namath.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_04: I've talked about on the show before.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_04: But I but I always thought he was overrated as a player by the generation before us.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I and I also thought he was never a good announcer.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_04: I still remember him calling numbers because he didn't always know the guy's name.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_05: Number 87 is awesome today.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_04: Number 64 had a nice block on that run.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, you don't you don't know their names, do you, Joe?
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_05: Well, all I know is this Scotch tastes great.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_05: Where's Susie Colbert?
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and you want to talk about the jock across the I mean, that's a guy who I don't think was very good at that job and was in there because, like I said, the generation before us just fawned over Joe Namous.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_06: Because of like he won one big game and like was everything that the baby boomers like loved.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_06: Like the because he's the opposite of Johnny Unitis.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_04: He was the anti-establishment.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's the Simpsons episode.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_06: It really is that like where you know Homer's bomb, like, oh, that wild hair and free spirit, you know.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_04: That's exactly that's exactly right.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, OJ Simpson was mentioned a few times in our informal poll, but I feel like people don't like him for reasons that have nothing to do with broadcasting.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I I remember him being pretty well liked before all the murdering and whatnot.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_06: Murdering.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_06: Well, the late OJ.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I don't know what to say about OJ, except for he was uh Did he have a tries for Hertz or Budget?
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_06: I think it was Hertz.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_04: It was Hertz, yeah.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_06: They can't take that back, can't they?
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I'm sure they want to forget that.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean he was people liked him though.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's what I think that's why it was so shocking whenever all that stuff happened, because people actually liked OJ.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um but so so like I said, I feel like the the the the the memories of him are a little tainted by what he did after he was a broadcaster.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh how about Joe Buck, Steve?
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I could take him or leave him.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_06: I I don't know.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_06: Once again, another guy I'll turn on the Manning cast over with.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_06: It's him and Troy Aikman on Monday Night Football.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_06: I I I don't know.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_06: I never was that bothered by the comments, like what when Randy Moss, Panamine, the mooning mooning thing.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_06: And like Joe Buck, that's sick.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_06: That's just sick.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_06: It's like, okay, Joe, that's that's a little over the top.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_06: He didn't really moon anyone.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_06: Nothing happened.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_04: I I yeah, I feel like Kill Buck's a good example of a of a guy that may maybe started off as a like you used the word Nepo baby before.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_04: And I think he was used to be really stiff and he used to like like that Randy Moss thing, that was, you know, what, 20 plus years ago.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_04: And I I think he's gotten a lot more polished over the years as I've listened to him.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_04: I think he's very good.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_04: But I think if you go back and listen to something from 20 years ago, 30 years ago, he's not gonna sound as good.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_06: Like again, like I I always like the Manning casts of the Monday night more than and nothing against Troy Aikman either, because Troy's not terrible.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we didn't put him on this list, but he's another guy that's kind of like he's fine.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't know that I he's one of those people that I don't think really elicits a real strong opinion one way or another.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_04: Joe Buck, some people don't like.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_04: What uh what about Steve?
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_04: We go back, what about his dad?
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_04: I really liked it.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_04: Jack Buck?
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_06: I I don't remember much, like I don't remember much of his games.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_06: I remember like I guess when I watched the Pirate game, I watched more like Lanny for Terry and Yeah, Jack Buck was more like the the big game.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_04: So like when pirates had those early 90s, you know, playoff teams, he was always calling those.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_04: I I thought he I liked his dad.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_04: He had that really distinct voice.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_04: I I thought that was perfect for baseball.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_06: I I still think Vince Scully is a better announcer.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_06: I loved Keith Jackson I loved on college football.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_06: Woo nilly, we got a burn burner here.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_05: 65, 65 in double Uber time, yeah.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I I agree with you.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_04: Vin Scully was a better baseball announcer, but I st I still like Jack Buck.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Dan Deerdorf always had really strong opinions.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_04: That turned some people off.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_04: I I don't know.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_06: He just retired like a couple years ago, didn't he?
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_04: He was around for a while, yeah.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_06: I'm surprised.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_06: What's his name?
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_06: I don't see his name on the list.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Dan Fouts didn't make the list.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_04: He could be kind of jerky.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_04: Why didn't I put Dan Fouts on there?
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's a good that's a good call, Steve.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_04: I don't I really don't like Dan Feltz.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like I strongly dislike Dan Fouts.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_04: You want to talk about Is he retired now too?
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_04: I from announcing?
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_06: He was like on the edge.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_06: He was like him and Ayn Eagle did a lot of games.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's a he's another guy that just very full of himself.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_04: Never won anything in the NFL, but always acted like he knew everything.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I yeah.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_04: Good call.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_04: I that's a that's that's on me.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_04: That's a glaring admission on my part.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_04: Uh how about Bob Costa, Steve?
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_04: What's your thoughts on Bob Costas?
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_06: He's a diva.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_06: I can't I I think that's why I don't like him.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_06: He's not a he's a good announcer, but I just don't like him because of his diva-ish attitude.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_06: Do you know what I mean by diva?
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_06: Like, oh, I need my own private bathroom and playing and look at me.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_06: Like he has a very like over-inflated ego, and it just comes through sometimes.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_06: My favorite Bob Costus things is when I think he was in the Ken Burns baseball thing, and he had to sit there and talk about the Yankees losing the 1960 World Series, and it just hurt him like so bad.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it just him and uh who's the historian crystal too.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_06: Well, Billy Cr and Kearns Goodwin.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_06: Well, he was a Red Sox fan.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I don't know, it seemed to bother her too, so yeah.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_04: He Bob Costa's kind of kind of smug, uh, for sure.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_04: I he he he he kind of brings or or tries to bring like this gravitas.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_04: He's kind of like tries to bring like the the Walter Cronkite ism to sports, and I don't know that that always came across well to your point.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_06: He actually I was watching um a pirate game, their opening day 2026, and Bob Costas narrated the opening, and I thought of you because you always say, Oh, Bob Costas could make me care about anything.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, yeah, and uh like I said, that's kind of what he brings, and but I can also see that wearing thin at times too.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um and he kind of he kind of had those a little bit of those Jim Gray moments where he was like the keeper of the like that time he got into it with Vince McMahon because he was like the keeper of you know what what sports is supposed to be.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, I don't know.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_04: So again, I I don't really have a problem with Bob Costas, but I definitely understand why people don't like him.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um Dennis Miller, Pittsburgh native.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, that's I liked I liked Dennis Miller on Monday Night Football.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_06: I liked him.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but that's just me.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_04: I mean that was a gimmick, so I'm not sure how serious anyone can really be on him as an announcer, one way or the other.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_06: I like Dennis Miller in general, but I mean maybe that played into it, like if you like his brand of humor.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_04: That's a good point.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's a good point.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_04: And that was really the point.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like, they were trying to recreate what they had with Howard Cosell, where they were just trying to be you either love him or hate him, but you you can't you have to tune in just to hear what he's gonna say, kind of thing.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think it really worked.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_06: No, he only lasted two or three seasons.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, right.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_04: Uh a few people on our list mentioned Don Cricky, said he always seemed to be rooting against the Steelers.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_06: I never thought that.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_06: No, I'm gonna disagree.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_06: Because him and the next guy on your list, I I actually like.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_06: I don't it and I'm not saying they're great announcers, I just kind of grew up with them, so maybe that's that's why.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I was gonna say I've I've listened to Don Cricky call a lot of games, and you have too, and I I never really inferred that he was anti-stealers, but next guy.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_06: I know I know the next guy.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_06: I I'm gonna describe the next guy as um as uh soda pop.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_06: You know he's bad for you, you know you shouldn't drink it, but good god, I love this man.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Steve's Steve's Steve's referring to Don Cricky's longtime partner, a guy named Beasley Reese.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_06: He is totally not good at football, but I love him.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_06: I just he's a likable guy.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_06: Sometimes they're just a likable people, and he was just like he had like silly sayings, and he was just he he wasn't necessarily anti-steeler.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_06: Remember, they moved him to the sideline, and he was even worse on the side.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_06: But I love Beasley Reese.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_06: He was just, I don't, I found them entertaining.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I was gonna I was just gonna say that word, Steve, because you said knowledgeable and entertaining.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know that he was necessarily knowledgeable, but he certainly was entertaining.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_06: He was always like the fourth guy in because him and Creaky would get like a lot of Steelers game because maybe they weren't that good or they were playing a team that wasn't that good.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_06: Like today, the Pittsburgh Steelers play who was not back in the nine.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_06: Cincinnati.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, Cincinnati or well.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_04: So so to Steve's point about Beasley Reese being entertaining, uh here's some audio of of Bees calling an errant Cordell Stewart pass.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_08: You know what?
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_08: Let him take you to the carnival.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_08: He he can win you a doll.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_08: Watch this, watch this go.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_08: I remember that.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_08: All you have to do is hit the pylon to win a doll.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_05: I love Beasley.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_05: I forgot about that one.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's that's Cordell Stewart throwing, and Cordell Stewart was didn't have the best accuracy, and that's him.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, he was getting blitzed on the play and he was, but that's him like hitting up hitting the pylon of the end zone rather than getting it close to a Stewart's player and Beasley.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_04: Like if take him to the carnival, he'll win you a doll.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_06: I love I I don't know.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_06: I it just it was endearing.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_06: It was sometimes yeah, it just was endearing for whatever reason.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_06: But I can see why people might not might not like that.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Endearing is a good word.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'd like that.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh some more guys on the list.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_04: Eddie Olcek, former Penn's coach.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_04: What do we think about him, Steve?
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_06: He seems okay.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_06: He he I I don't remember him doing as many penguins games as I have Kentucky Derbies.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know why.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_06: It always seems like I always see him on the Kentucky Derby or or what's the next one?
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_06: The Belmont.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_06: Or the freak dead.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_06: He's like, today, hi-hat is going off at five to two.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_06: That's a good deal for my money.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_06: And he's actually a pretty good horse capper.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, he's you know right.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_04: I don't have anything against him.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Tom Brady, I feel like people in Pittsburgh aren't going to be objective on Tom Brady as an announcer.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_06: So he's it's his first year, so I'll give him a pass.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_06: I think he's one of those guys that might get better as he goes.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_06: Because like he tried it's just my favorite was he wore like a white shirt with a white tie.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_06: And people are like, congratulations on Tom Brady making his first communion or something.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_05: Because it look like that kind of outfit because he gets where they're first communion.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_06: But like he tried to rank the pass as oh, that's a B pass or that's a C pass.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_06: Like, okay, Tom, sh whatever.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_04: Like I said, people in Pittsburgh are never gonna be objective.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_04: I think I think he'll come.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_06: I I think he's gonna come around, but I don't I don't know.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_06: Tom Brady doesn't have much of a personality.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_06: Like he's tried to like, oh, I got personality.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_06: Like he never did.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_06: You were always very vanilla.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's also true.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_04: He's not he's not gonna be John Madden or he's not gonna be Gronk.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_06: Gronk has more personality than him.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_04: So that's a good point.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_06: They should put Gronk on the games over him, but yeah, that's just speaking of personality.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_04: The next guy on the list is Pat Summerall.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_04: And and Steve, it's funny because I really didn't like Summerall when he was announcing.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_04: I I thought he was super boring.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_04: But but like now when I hear his voice on an old broadcast, I get like these good nostalgia vibes.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't that weird?
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_06: He was like, I think he's another like Al Michael stayed too long.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_06: If he would have retired five to seven years earlier, we'd probably have more produ like that last Super Bowl, which was the Denver Atlanta Super Bowl.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_06: Was that his last one?
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_04: No, he did the Rams Patriots.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_06: That that was his last Super Bowl last game.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_06: He like messed up Marshall Falk's game or Marshall Falk's name.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_06: See, I'm not much better, I'd be a terrible announcer.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_06: But he called him like Marshall Fu Hulk or something.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_06: He just he was messing up people's names and stuff, and people were kind of mad that he was being forced to retire, but it was time, it was really time for him.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I I don't know.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_04: I he like I said, I when he was announcing, I was like, oh my gosh, Pat may talk like this.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_04: But I but now it's like I said, when I hear like old games, I'm like, oh yeah, Pat Summerall.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Pierre Maguire, another former penguin.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_06: I I like Pierre.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_06: He's very pro-penguin, I will say that.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_04: I that's true.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_06: But if you're looking for more objectivity, you probably don't want to really listen to this.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_06: I can see like if you're not a penguins fan, you might not like Pierre Maguire.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_06: I I don't know.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_06: He's like one of the guys they put in between like the benches sometimes, right?
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_06: He's like, hey, look at me get hit in the face with a puck.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_05: Woo! And like, whoa, shoot a ducked.
• 1:15:05
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_04: So so let's round that out with some broadcasting legends.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_04: And and let me list these guys and then I'll ask you, Steve, if any of them annoy you at all.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_04: Dick Enberg, Vin Scully, who we talked about, Doc Emmerich, Mel Allen, Keith Jackson, who we talked about, and Marv Albert.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, can I say each of these guys can because as you were saying that I was saying their catchphrase like Dick Enberg, oh my Vin Scully, I don't know, does he have a catchphrase?
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_06: I don't remember him.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_06: Like, did you ever see like the movie um with the Kevin Costner plays the pitcher?
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_06: And like Vin Scully has like this opening.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_06: Like it's an amazing, whoever wrote that, and then Vin Scully's delivery is amazing.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_06: That's why Vin Scully's a legend.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_06: Doc, Doc, I don't know.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_06: You can't go the only thing that Doc ever did wrong was be a Pirates fan, and that's not really his fault.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_06: Mel Allen, how about that?
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_06: The best part of that was Mel Allen had to call the uh what's his the uh Mazarowski run.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_06: So how about that, Mel Allen?
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_06: I remember him more from uh this week in baseball because he was like today's Twib notes are that's that's exactly because our generation, I think by that point that was what we we knew him from.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_06: And I love Keith Jackson.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_06: Keith Jackson's probably one of my favorite announcers of all time, just because I love college football and just him calling the Rose Bowl.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_06: He could call it like I remember one time Keith Jackson got mad, like the player, it was like I think it was a Rose Bowl.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_06: No, I think it was a regular season game, and like these players were just fighting after a random play, and he's like, quit fighting and just play the darn game.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_06: So like Keith Jackson normally he didn't like get riled up like that, but I think you know Keith Jackson called was the first Monday night uh play-by-play guy.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_06: So that's right, that's right.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_06: Marv Albert, yes, today from like you need the uh, you know, maybe we should outro with the NBA on NBC music written by John Tesh.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_05: You know, today from Madison Square Garden, it's Michael Jordan and the Bulls playing John Stark and the Knicks.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_05: An exciting NBA basketball.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_06: That's like Marv Albert's theme music.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_06: He had that unfortunate incident back in the 90s, but yeah.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_06: Whatever his proclivities in the bedroom are, Marv could have said yes, or what was he?
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_05: Jordan for three yes.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_05: Marv likes it rough.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yes!
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, these guys, I I I will say, you know, I I was legit sad when Dick Enberg and and Vin Scully passed away.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_04: Dick Enberg, especially, he's the voice of so many of my memories, and I think I'll feel the same way when Doc Emmerich dies because he's also the voice of so many of my memories.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_04: And and Doc had that way of like making you break out into like a cold sweat in the in the first period of the first playoff game.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_06: If they give a the team that scored first in this series has won every game.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and then it's like I hit that post.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, oh my god, oh my god.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, wait a minute, so it's first period.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_04: I gotta I gotta pace myself, but Doc won't let me because so yeah, I I and and like I honestly don't like watching hockey as much without Doc Amorick, to be perfectly honest.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe they'll put Sean McDonough back on.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and and they have like like Marv Albert's brother um usually doesn't doing a lot of the hot dog, which he's fine too, but I just I miss Doc.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I think I think all of those guys are pretty good.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_04: I don't have a problem with any of those guys.
• 1:18:39
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