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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Turnovers Sink 49ers, Lions Got Lucky, Aaron Rogers Needs Help, Raiders “A Draft Away”, Lincoln Riley On The Hotseat · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The Volume. All right, the Colin Coward podcast on a
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  Speaker 1: Sunday presented by Bud Light. Easy to drink, easy to enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: Where do I start? Well, let's start with something that
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  Speaker 1: is near and dear to your heart. Atlanta 29, San
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  Speaker 1: Francisco 20. Niners mercifully get a bye week as they're
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  Speaker 1: all banged up. There's a lot of different takes on this.
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  Speaker 1: I think this was, I think, most of the sharps,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm certainly not a sharp, but I loved Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: in this one. 15 players for the Niners came in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on the injured list. Christian McCaffrey got injured
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  Speaker 1: in the second quarter, came back. They're throwing touchdowns to
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Watkins. It was reversed. And by the way, there was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, 2.30 left. San Francisco was driving for a win.
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  Speaker 1: Purdy threw his second pick. I just... I can't really
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  Speaker 1: criticize Brock. It was a mash unit. So I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to start with San Francisco. My take was it's their
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  Speaker 1: first loss. It was on the road. They're falling apart.
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  Speaker 1: This is sort of who they are physically. Now, we've
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  Speaker 1: always said they're great early until they fall apart. I
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  Speaker 1: thought this was a bit of a buzzsaw. You saw
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  Speaker 1: they played a very good first half, John. And then
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  Speaker 1: in the second half, they sort of ran out of
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  Speaker 1: bodies and Atlanta pulled away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the turnovers killed them. I mean, Brock threw two
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  Speaker 2: bad picks in the second half. Kittle fumbled on that
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  Speaker 2: final drive. They had another fumble that was a killer
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  Speaker 2: when McCaffrey was banged up. I thought they came out
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  Speaker 2: classic Kyle Shanahan. They were up 14-3. You're like, how
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  Speaker 2: are they pulling this off? And then the fatigue, the
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  Speaker 2: wear and tear, playing Monday night, long travel. But still,
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  Speaker 2: I thought they were going toe-to-toe with a team that
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  Speaker 2: up until last week you thought was looking pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: Drake London was coming in and out of this game,
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  Speaker 2: but B. John's one of the best players in the league.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't hit Pennix, you saw today, he can
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  Speaker 2: hit layup throws. If he is not phased in the pocket,
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  Speaker 2: he's a lot like a way younger version of Cousins.
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  Speaker 2: If you just give them time, they can deliver. If
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  Speaker 2: you get around them, all hell breaks loose. and they
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  Speaker 2: didn't get around him sometimes. Again, where's Nick Bosa? Nick
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  Speaker 2: Bosa said like two weeks ago he was going to
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  Speaker 2: come back for a Washington game, and even Kyle said
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  Speaker 2: this week, yeah, he got a little over skis on
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  Speaker 2: that one, couldn't play today. You know, even McCaffrey, first
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  Speaker 2: drive of the game, he looks incredible, and then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden he's on the sideline working through some stuff,
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  Speaker 2: so they have to miss him throughout the game. But
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, I'm with you on the Sharps.
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  Speaker 2: I shorted the Sharps just because I was like, everyone
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  Speaker 2: thinks that. And then I felt pretty good halfway through
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  Speaker 2: the game. But the turnovers. I mean, Brock has been
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  Speaker 2: pretty flawless throughout this season.
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  Speaker 1: He has.
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  Speaker 2: He threw an interception to Jesse Bates, who's a pretty
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  Speaker 2: high-end player that should just be a throwaway. And I
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  Speaker 2: think he got a little greedy. Maybe he thought he
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  Speaker 2: was throwing it away. I haven't seen his quotes. Another
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  Speaker 2: pick that over the middle of the field where the guy–
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  Speaker 2: Guy got stretchered off the field last week. Number 53,
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  Speaker 2: the Oklahoma linebacker came back. So yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: think everyone in the league going into their bye week,
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  Speaker 2: week eight would sign up for six and one. But
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  Speaker 2: I think today stings a little bit just because they
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  Speaker 2: played pretty well until they started giving the ball to Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: So if you look at that, quarterback draft class where
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  Speaker 1: we saw Caleb and Drake May put on a show.
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  Speaker 1: Drake May, basically, I was at that game. He's carrying
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  Speaker 1: a very limited offense. I agree. Caleb's got some skill.
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  Speaker 1: That class included Michael Penix, who was drafted by Atlanta. Well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: he had Raheem Morris. You and I have always said
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  Speaker 1: it's harder with a defensive coach. Raheem's a great DC,
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  Speaker 1: not a great head coach. He gets Kevin Stefanski. With
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, Michael Penix is not only 3-2, his passer
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  Speaker 1: rating's at 109. Nine touchdowns, one pick, and 67%. So
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  Speaker 1: I think Michael Penix, of all the first-round quarterbacks, looks
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  Speaker 1: most like I thought he would. He's a pure pocket passer.
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  Speaker 1: He'll get dinged up. You're not given 17 games. But
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  Speaker 1: I think you and I both felt, in terms of
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  Speaker 1: throwing a pretty catchable, accurate ball with two beats and
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  Speaker 1: time to throw, I mean, listen, Drake London, Bajon Robinson,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts now is more productive. I think Atlanta, I
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  Speaker 1: think Pennix is a franchise quarterback, but I think you
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  Speaker 1: have to have a backup ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: I totally agree. Pennix still had a pretty good quarterback life.
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  Speaker 2: Washington with all the weapons. And now here, even Austin Hooper,
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  Speaker 2: who's a Stefanski favorite. I mean, they have tall, that's
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  Speaker 2: the other thing, tall, long receiving options at tight end
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  Speaker 2: to wide receiver. And Bijan right there with Gibbs and
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  Speaker 2: McCaffrey is probably the best wide receiver, you know, basically
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  Speaker 2: a wide receiver playing running back. So, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I I've been I was higher on him than my buddies.
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  Speaker 2: Most people I knew in the scouting community didn't have
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  Speaker 2: him close to a first round quarterback. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it gets back to listen. You never know. Ricky Pearsall
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  Speaker 2: didn't miss a game in college.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And he hasn't been able to stay on the field.
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  Speaker 2: So there's an unknown with injuries. But anytime you're always injured,
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  Speaker 2: he basically had a surgery every single season in college
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  Speaker 2: except one that terrifies teams. And that's why, you know,
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  Speaker 2: his body is a little thinner. You know, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Caleb, like a Russell Wilson. They're built like
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  Speaker 2: a little tank. Yeah, this guy is not. But he listen,
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  Speaker 2: there's something about like a left handed baseball swing, a
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  Speaker 2: left handed thrower. I mean, I grew up on Steve Young.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty beautiful when it when it releases out of
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  Speaker 2: the arm. He throws a beautiful, he throws a very
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  Speaker 2: catchable ball. And, you know, I'm sure you noticed that
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday night. Not every, you know, Caleb has what?
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  Speaker 2: One of the greatest arms in the history of the league.
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  Speaker 2: Most guys, you know, Drake May is not a power pitcher.
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  Speaker 2: He's a touch thrower. Pennix is a lot. Pennix is
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  Speaker 2: not the athlete, but he's a touch thrower. So if
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  Speaker 2: he has time, the touch ball, I mean, God, he
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  Speaker 2: was laying it in there. Even a touchdown today on
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  Speaker 2: the move to Kyle Pitts just throws a beautiful ball.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Giants 27, Houston 21, overtime. I thought this was
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  Speaker 1: a substantial win by the New York Giants. And two
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  Speaker 1: major stories. They now move to 4-2-1. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: Cam Scadaboo got benched by John Harbaugh. This is Harbaugh
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  Speaker 1: taking control of the locker room. And then he comes
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  Speaker 1: out today, and Scadaboo's a monster. 17 carries, 7.2 yards
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  Speaker 1: per carry. One, he almost knocked out a Texans defender.
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  Speaker 1: another he pulled up it looked like he had a
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  Speaker 1: hamstring uh uh a tinge hamstring pull, so he slowed down.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with Skadaboo. I don't think anybody runs like him.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was untackleable in college. Because he's a
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  Speaker 1: different player and GM sometimes, the scouting department doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: a consensus. When Skadaboo's in the game and has a
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  Speaker 1: head of steam, John, I think he's as hard just
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  Speaker 1: one-on-one to stop. Maybe he doesn't have Jameer Gibbs-Town or B.
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  Speaker 1: John Robinson. I think he is an absolutely devastating weapon.
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  Speaker 1: Your thoughts on him?
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  Speaker 2: I've been blown away. A couple years ago, during the
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  Speaker 2: draft period when he was coming out, I played golf
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  Speaker 2: with one of the big boosters at ASU who had
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  Speaker 2: played there, and obviously they love Scataboo at Arizona State.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, what do you think? Do you think
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  Speaker 2: he can go to the league and dominate? I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet on him for the next 10 years,
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  Speaker 2: but he could have a couple of years stretch that physicality.
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  Speaker 2: This is not 1996. Part of what made Mike Allstott
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  Speaker 2: or Lorenzo Neal, they were hitting guys like Greg Lloyd,
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  Speaker 2: the dad. You know, they were like 300 pounds playing
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  Speaker 2: middle line. It was a different level of size. Well,
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  Speaker 2: now look at the guys he's running over. These are
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  Speaker 2: smaller linebackers. Most linebackers look much closer. You've met these guys.
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  Speaker 2: When you meet Louis Riddick or Todd Bowles or John Lynch,
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  Speaker 2: they tower over linebackers now. Those guys were safeties in
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  Speaker 2: the 80s and the 90s. They're all similar size. So Scadaboo,
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  Speaker 2: is he going to be able to maintain this level
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  Speaker 2: of physicality throughout his career? Probably not. But no one
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  Speaker 2: runs like him anymore in the NFL, really. And the
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  Speaker 2: guys here he's hitting are just not as big as
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  Speaker 2: they once were. So it's advantage. Listen, he's an extremely
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  Speaker 2: skilled guy. What a story. Small school in Sacramento, went
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  Speaker 2: to Sacramento State. Kenny Dillingham got them when Arizona State
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  Speaker 2: was a joke. His first year, I think they won
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  Speaker 2: three games. So it's not like, you know, remember when
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State came after Quinshawn Junkins at Ole Miss? This
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  Speaker 2: wasn't that. This is truly like... You're not going to
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  Speaker 2: see many of these, you know, even, you know, what's
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  Speaker 2: his name at for the Raiders, Jenty, like all the
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  Speaker 2: big schools were after him his last year at Boise State.
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  Speaker 2: He turned down a bunch of money. This was a
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  Speaker 2: guy no one knew about. No one wanted because you're like,
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  Speaker 2: how's this going to work? But he's very, very, I
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  Speaker 2: would say his vision's pretty elite and he's got really
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  Speaker 2: good feet for a power back. He's not Mike Allstott.
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  Speaker 2: I would imagine Allstott was Wade Moore. But like Allstott,
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  Speaker 2: who didn't get enough credit, you were around him, weren't you?
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  Speaker 2: Like elite feet, a high-end, quick athlete. And then when
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  Speaker 2: you bring that power, these guys aren't used to anymore,
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  Speaker 2: these running backs lowering their shoulder on contact.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the other story is J.J. McCarthy, the next Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 1: His first round pick goes to an organization. And it
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  Speaker 1: just starts poorly, never gets going. Darnold leaves. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of players wanted Darnold. McCarthy couldn't stay healthy, gets dinged up,
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  Speaker 1: lost his fastball, lost his confidence. And we think, well,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin O'Donnell bailed on him. Kevin O'Connell bailed on him.
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  Speaker 1: He's no good. Well, Kevin O'Connell... also let Darnold go
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  Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins go and both have been fine. So
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  Speaker 1: in the last five starts for J.J. McCarthy, he is
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  Speaker 1: 5-0 with 100 passer ratings. He's not going to blow
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  Speaker 1: you away. He's got seven total touchdowns, 66% completion percentage.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought last week he made one world-class throw.
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  Speaker 1: I thought today, John, I thought he made two franchise
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  Speaker 1: quarterback throws. My question always with J.J. McCarthy was, it
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  Speaker 1: was fastball, no off-speed pitch. He didn't have a second
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  Speaker 1: or a third pitch. Velocity on everything, very little nuance,
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  Speaker 1: very little touch. But I'm watching him today. And between
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  Speaker 1: the scataboo run and a couple of his throws, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I can't bail on him because I didn't bail on Darnold. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I like Darnold more than J.J. McCarthy out of college.
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  Speaker 1: But J.J. never really got to lead at Michigan because
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  Speaker 1: they didn't need him to lead. Well, now they need him.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson darts out. Jameis isn't trusted. Do we have a
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  Speaker 1: Darnold on our hands as the Giants on the road
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  Speaker 1: beat a Houston team that was favored by nine?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I took him. Yeah. I would say that's the
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  Speaker 2: best game he's ever played. I know statistically, I was
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  Speaker 2: looking it up today, he had way more yards in
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  Speaker 2: that game. I think it was the Final Four game
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  Speaker 2: against TCU, the year they lost. Remember that crazy game
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  Speaker 2: with Harbaugh, a bunch of fumbles and picks? But in
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  Speaker 2: terms of... I thought he was going to become Mitch Trubisky,
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  Speaker 2: because like you said, all fastballs couldn't layer the throws. Today,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of layered throws. The other thing is.
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  Speaker 2: They're all in on Malik neighbors, right? They, they drafted
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  Speaker 2: them really high physically. He has a chance to be
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  Speaker 2: the best of that three. Obviously he's better than Marvin Harrison,
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  Speaker 2: as you saw today, but even Rome, who's a solid
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  Speaker 2: player doesn't, doesn't have that in the bag. Well, if
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  Speaker 2: he can awake Malik neighbors and their connection immediately at
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  Speaker 2: a half game last week, and then today he's just
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  Speaker 2: feeding him the rock and their connection, it jumps off
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  Speaker 2: the screen. Isn't it powerful confidence? I mean, I, I,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a good example. You believed in me a long
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  Speaker 2: time ago. And like whether you're going through a tough
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  Speaker 2: period of time, young people, it's just easy to go
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  Speaker 2: in the tank. And sometimes someone kind of– listen, John Harbaugh,
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  Speaker 2: Jim's like this too. I know it's not going well
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  Speaker 2: for Jim, but their background is uplifting people, making people
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  Speaker 2: believe in themselves. Oh, yeah. And to get this guy–
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  Speaker 2: it's pretty clear the Giants have a pretty high-level skill group.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they got running backs. Malik Nabors was a
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  Speaker 2: top-six pick and widely considered the most talented wide receiver
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  Speaker 2: of that draft. Likely, as clearly, if the Ravens had
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  Speaker 2: a redo, they would have got rid of Mark and
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  Speaker 2: found a way to keep him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't get– I like the Ravens' personnel department.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get that move. I said it in the offseason.
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  Speaker 1: He will be a high-production player for years for the Giants.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to me, he's got some Waller in
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  Speaker 2: his prime vibes. You know, Malachi Fields jumps off the screen,
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  Speaker 2: so you got him to go. And JJ, you'd have
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  Speaker 2: to give him like an A-plus today, given the circumstances. Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Because remember, I guess it was a couple weeks ago now,
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  Speaker 2: I heard Danny Connell on a college podcast talk about this.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, it's so much easier. He was talking about
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Rayola coming in that game against USC. No pressure,
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  Speaker 2: no game plan. Just go out and play. Well, once
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  Speaker 2: you're told you're the starter on Monday, they start building
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  Speaker 2: practices around you. You start coming in Monday and Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: with the coaches. All the reps are built around you.
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  Speaker 2: And you think about it for six straight days. And
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  Speaker 2: it's like, that's why I took the Texans, even if
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  Speaker 2: their defense has, let's face it, been horrendous relative to
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  Speaker 2: what it was last year. And it was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: they played Trevor Lawrence. They played Dak. They played Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 2: It was easy to kind of justify it. Well, maybe
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  Speaker 2: their defense just isn't that good. But J.J. McCarthy took
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  Speaker 2: advantage of it. And this goes to Sam. We're recording
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  Speaker 2: this before the night game. When you can run, and
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  Speaker 2: this is the Shanahan family motto, run the ball helps
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback. Ideally, you have Patrick Mahomes and you run
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  Speaker 2: the ball and you're going to win all the time.
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  Speaker 2: But most of the time, you're not going to have that.
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  Speaker 2: And if you can run for 188 yards, they had
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  Speaker 2: more rushing attempts than they did pass attempts. That is
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  Speaker 2: going to be a formula that works. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if JT is going to go 20 of 28, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think either of us would have predicted 20 of
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  Speaker 2: 28 and over nine yards in attempt. 20 of 28
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  Speaker 2: would have been like, I bet he threw for 140
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  Speaker 2: yards dinking and dunking. He's pushing the ball downfield, Colin.
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  Speaker 2: Nagy has been, Nagy's had a really, really good year
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  Speaker 2: for them. I mean, they've been dealt a tough hand
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  Speaker 2: after that knee got snapped in half. And he ran
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  Speaker 2: a short yardage play to Scataboo today. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's an Andy Reid play. And they busted it out.
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  Speaker 2: They had like four running backs. And it was a
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  Speaker 2: little turnaround play. I'm like, Mahomes done that five times.
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  Speaker 2: And it worked and it popped. Nagy and Greg Roman,
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  Speaker 2: people had too many cooks in the kitchen. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's working right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I also think the way they did the
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  Speaker 1: Scataboo move, they benched him. So they say, hey, listen,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to fumble. Okay, they didn't bench him
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  Speaker 1: for weeks. They benched him for a week. And then
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  Speaker 1: they fed him the ball today. That's just sending a
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  Speaker 1: message around, guys, there's a way to do it and
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  Speaker 1: there's a way not to do it. And you'll be
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  Speaker 1: punished if you fumble the ball and you're loose with it.
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  Speaker 1: You'll be punished. But we don't hold grudges. The Harbaughs
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  Speaker 1: don't hold grudges. We'll play the following week. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's well documented now. I said the Giants
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  Speaker 1: were my surprise team in the NFL. I thought they'd
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  Speaker 1: win nine or ten games. And when Jackson Dart got hurt,
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  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, they can win maybe eight with Jameis. Winston,
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  Speaker 1: but he's kind of silly. He's never been a nice guy,
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  Speaker 1: not my cup of tea as a quarterback. But what
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  Speaker 1: if they did find J.J. McCarthy? I I'll tell you, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and he redeems himself with Jackson darts playing style. I
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  Speaker 1: would keep him at least for a year. I'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not letting him leave because Jackson, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: Jackson darts as effective if he's not moving. So to me,
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  Speaker 1: what if the, the giant stumbled on Jackson dart and
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  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, two guys. So again, I, I I'll be
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  Speaker 1: critical when it calls for it, but I, I'm not gonna,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I Baker Mayfield turned it around. Um, J.J.
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy today, I watched and thought, that can work. You
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  Speaker 1: can start in the NFL playing like that. Another game
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  Speaker 1: that's fascinating, Bengals 35, Ravens 13. Bengals, big lead, lose it,
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  Speaker 1: get beat. Tell me if you've heard that before. It's
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: their 17th time they've blown a 10-point lead since 2020.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: But what you saw in this game, first of all,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the Bengals were not ready to play. They were out
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: gained in the first half, 258 yards to 50. And
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: time of possession, 22 minutes to seven and a half.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: And the Ravens averaged 6.6 yards of play. So the
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Ravens came in with their backup, Snoop Huntley, and a
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: game plan and executed it. And then Cincinnati went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Burrow in the second half was 16 of 18, a
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: perfect passer rating. So this was one of my favorite
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: plays of the week. I did not think it would
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: look like this. This was the classic example. And Burrow
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: was almost like a seven on seven. He was going deep, intermediate.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: He was scrambling around. He was manipulating the secondary. I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: look at Baltimore now and you start looking at their
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: record and they have a rookie head coach. And we
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: respect the Ravens. But Cleveland's now in first place. Cincinnati's better.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh may have a low ceiling. And it may not
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: work in the postseason. But the Steelers won again today.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Is this a rookie defensive coach who was hot off
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the presses? But, I mean, they have now been in
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: multiple games. They come in with a game plan, John,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: and the Ravens run out of gas. Atlanta run out
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: of gas when it matters.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give the Ravens a little bit of
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: a pass. I mean, they don't have Lamar Jackson.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: How many games are you going to win? I mean,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: they're up 13-0 at halftime, kicking the living you-know-what out
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: of the Bengals. I mean, at halftime when it was 13-0.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is going to be one of
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the most embarrassing losses of the season when you're facing
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Snoop Huntley in a divisional game. Like you just, it's
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: one thing to lose, right? If Snoop's going nuts and
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: you lose 28 to 27, but just to get shut out.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: And then Joe Burrow and his two sidekicks, because when
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: number one and number five get cooking, there's no, they
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: feel like Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Clay Thompson, 10 years ago.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: It's like, good luck.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: That's what the second half looked like.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Because T Higgins is so big. His ball skills are
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: so elite. And Jamar Chase is just an unstoppable force.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: So I like to me, this is the Lamar Jackson
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: question mark. You know, there's been a lot of chatter
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: about the ankle and is he injured? Is he willing
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: to play through it? Listen, I got no clue. I
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: don't know anyone there. All I know is like when
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: he was playing early this season, you went, God, this
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: team looks for real. And I don't care how, who
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you get. We saw Ben Johnson. You run out of
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: juice with your backup quarterback. There's only so much you
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: can do. And their personnel on offense, like, I was
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: a little late to turn on this game. It was
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: 7-0 before two minutes into the game. I don't know
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: what happened the first play, but the second or third
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: play of the game, Zay Flowers scored a 50-yard touchdown.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: It's 7-0 before you could even blink. You're like, damn.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: At home, you start thinking, okay, divisional game, the Ravens
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: are going to show up. But they're not able to
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: generate in the offense in the second half. And then this...
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know what we're into. No one kicks field
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: goals anymore. It's 14 to 13, and they go for
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: it on fourth and two instead of kicking a field
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: goal to take the lead. And I think it was
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Nance was like, hey, you know, the analytics, you can
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: take a lead here, divisional opponent in the fourth quarter.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: At the time, this wasn't a 40. 4035 shootout. This
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: is a 1413 game. But no one wants you have
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: a backup quarterback in and then they don't get it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow drives the field. And then it was just
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: on like Donkey Kong from there. So I actually, it's
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: crazy how football changes fast. I came away at the
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: end going, damn, I wouldn't want to play the Bengals
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: because they're sealing on offense. Those guys are healthy. And
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: their defense just, at the end of the day, they
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: gave up 13 total points. It felt bad in the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: first half, but they never scored again.
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• 22:00
  Speaker 1: who moved to 5-2 with a 16-10 win in Paris
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: over the Saints. I mean, the Saints came in with
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: like the 32nd-ranked defense. Aaron Rodgers has nobody to throw to.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Rico Dowdle and Jalen Warren. Jalen Warren was easily the
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: best player on the field. Like, it wasn't particularly close.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: It has been for them for a while.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, today it was so stark. This was a
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: bad Saints defense. And Jalen Warren was the offense. DK
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Metcalf had one long catch. But their second and third
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: leading receivers were running backs. I mean, what Pittsburgh's doing
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: will not work in the postseason. It won't translate. It's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: very much like the previous years. But I will tell you,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: watching them today against a really, really suboptimal Saints defense,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh's got a veteran team. You know they went
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: over to Paris. It was a business trip. They were
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: not distracted. There is just nothing here for Aaron. I'll
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: tell you another thing. So the GM retires for the Steelers,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the longtime general manager, they hire a guy in house.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Remember when the Steelers went 20 years, could not miss
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: in a wide receiver. They had three, they'd find Antonio Browns.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: It didn't matter. They just found great receivers. I look
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: since their GM left DK Metcalf, which I would have
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: never made that move. John Snyder got him off the books. Um,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Their young GM, who'd been working for the organization for years,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: got the job, overpaid for him. I'll give Aaron credit.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is a water pistol offensively, and Jalen Warren is
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the only reason they can win games.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw some of Aaron's comments
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: after the game. He played for the Packers and didn't
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: have an owner, and they might have been cheap with
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: free agency, but it always felt like they were a
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: pretty high-level organization, the way they operated. The Steelers have
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: a team that feels like the average age is like 35.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think legitimately they're like one of, if
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: not the second or third oldest team in the league.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: They took a red eye on Thursday night. And one
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: thing Aaron said after the game is the league should
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: mandate you come over basically on Sunday or Monday. Well,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the Roonies are historically a little cheap, a little old school.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: They get in battles with contracts. They take a red-eye Thursday,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: so they're up all day Friday. They're basically just there
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: two nights. The Saints have flown after the Giants game
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: last week. They had been there the entire week. That's
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a pretty big advantage. That's a long trip for an older.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: If you or I hopped on a red eye and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: had to do some serious things, just talking a couple
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: of days later, we might not be all there. Let
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: alone play a game. We just saw it with the
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Rams game. So I, I stayed away. Like I, I like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I had no clue what this thing's going to look like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: especially when you factored in the Steelers travel plans. But I,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I've said this to you. I've said it on my podcast.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I have so much respect for the way Aaron's battled
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: these last two years. He's not doing this for the money.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's got probably a couple hundred million dollars
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: in the bank and He's not doing this for the legacy.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: If his career had ended before the Jets, he's one
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Him battling out there,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, all season long, he's been getting hit. Like
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you said, I mean, one of his best skill guys
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: is a 300-pound tight end who had a nice touchdown
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: today in the corner of the end zone. So it's
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: not like it's fun. It's not like, well, he's shattering
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: records at 43 years old. You know, even Tom in
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: his latter years, they had Godwin. They had Mike Evans. Like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: they drafted Bucky. They had a bunch of skill guys.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's got nothing.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I know. It's... Eric is kind of doing it for
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the love of the game. And let's face it at
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: five and two, unless they got a couple of major
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: injuries on defense, they kind of feel like a playoff
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: lock back to back years, keeping the Steelers in the playoffs.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I think that's really commendable. And the way they play,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you know, you'd never know you could win a playoff game.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: The one thing is, they could win the division. You know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the Browns have benefited a little bit from the schedule.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: You know, like today playing the Titans. Now they got,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: they have good players. They're not an easy out by
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: any means, but I mean, the Steelers are right in
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: this thing. Now, when it comes down to it against
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the Bengals in a big game late in the season,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: you know, I have to look at their skits, some
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of the better teams, are they going to be able
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to score with them? Probably not. But I think if
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: they get to nine or 10 wins, I actually think
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: it's a positive on the Aaron legacy chart.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of Cleveland, they beat Tennessee 27-24. We won't
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: spend a ton of time on this, but it goes
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: back to something I have said, that Todd Munkin is
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: greatly benefiting from a great GM. Casey Concepcion, eight catches,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: 130 yards, rookie. Harold Fannin, huge play late, tied in
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: from Bowling Green, 91 yards, six catches. Judkins, the Ohio
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: State running back, couple of touchdowns, almost 100 yards. You
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: can say what you want about Cleveland. Deshaun Watson was
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: just okay. But they averaged 7.4 yards play today. Cleveland
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: shipped off Miles Garrett, and people kind of freaked out.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: But I'll give Andrew Barry credit. They got younger in
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: draft picks, and Miles Garrett is yet to play. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: we can say what we want about Cleveland the entire offseason.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I said... John, they have drafted too well for three
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: straight years. They remind me of a less functional Seattle.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: They've hit on so many draft picks. It really helps
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: them navigate through the awful Deshaun Watson contract, which we've
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: always said that if you can hit on five or
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: six draft picks over the next two years, even if
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you have a bad dead cap contract with a quarterback,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it mitigates a lot of it. I don't think Cleveland's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a great team. I think their talent in this division–
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: is almost as good as Baltimore. Do you?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty damn good. I mean, what would
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers do for some of those wide receivers on
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: his team? Some of that speed. I think the other
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: thing is Munkin deserves a lot of credit. I know
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I was guilty of this. I thought it was going
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to be a pretty embarrassing year. And then you start
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: taking a step back. He's coordinated some pretty high-level offenses.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: But you never know head coach, older, a little grumpier.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I come more and more impressed watching him by the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: week talk, the feel he has for the offense, how
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: good he is with the players. I mean, they clearly
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: play hard for him. The other thing is Watson is,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, today statistically, he obviously has one of the
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: best games he's ever had as a Brown. The bar's
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: pretty low, throwing for over 300 yards. But he's been
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: pretty solid. I mean, he's had some stretches in games
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: where he's kind of where he crumbles. One of them,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: you know, they had the lead. Was it the Steeler game?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: He almost gave it away. But like they're not always
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: winning in spite of him. And Munkin deserves credit for that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, everyone's like, go to Shador, go
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to Shador. And he that was not an easy situation
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: for him. And I'd say he handled it pretty well,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: where I would imagine a lot of people like this
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: is the next Jim Tomsula. This is the next Ben
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: McAdoo like now. And this is a situation where people
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: go to die at coach. I mean, this ruins your career.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: You become a laughingstock. It derails your career. And I
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: would say he's earned a lot of credit around the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: league of like, this guy kind of knows what he's doing.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You know, we all want the young, sexy coach. We
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: all want the next Davis Webb. Sometimes a guy who's
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: been coaching for four years, you know, knows a thing
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: or two about football. I know, I bet you know
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: some of the old coaches in the league. I'm even
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: talking head coaches are kind of like, yeah, kind of
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: like seeing an old guy, you know, who everyone laughed at.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: You should have gone Davis Webb first.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Lions 20, Packers 17. Detroit got very lucky today. First,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Goff should have had three picks. Green Bay dropped a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: couple of them. Also, the Lions went front in their
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: own 23 on a fourth and one. The Packers end
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: up missing that 35-yard field goal after. This game was
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: there for the taking for Green Bay. My takeaway on
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: this was Josh Jacobs came back. Absolutely. I mean, Detroit
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: also fumbled to start the second half, two fumbles and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: three plays like Detroit did not play well. Detroit comes
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: out of this thing and thinks we won. Green Bay
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: dropped two interceptions. We fumbled twice. We got stopped deep
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: in our own territory. They missed a 35 yard field goal.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: This if you're a Packer fan today. Thank God for
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the Brewers because Green Bay walks out of this game.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Detroit was handing Green Bay this game for three and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a half hours. Now, Josh Jacobs, also, I'll give Green
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Bay credit. Their O-line isn't very good, and it's banged up. So,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were going for it on fourth down
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: in the first half. I mean, they came in. Matt
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: LaFleur's like, we're not winning this thing unless we're aggressive.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: The disheartening part for Green Bay was Detroit played poorly,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: handed a half dozen opportunities to the Packers, and they
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: just couldn't. I guarantee you, Green Bay fans today, losing
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: is one thing. Green Bay fans today have to be disgusted.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the two fumbles and not kicking it
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and going for it on the fourth down, I'm being conservative.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: That's 13 points. That's what I wrote down. So the Lions' mistakes,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, it could have been more. I mean, the
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: fumble at the end of the first half, when they're
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: at the 12-yard line, like 30 seconds, they've just driven like,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: you know, six, seven-minute drive, I think, down the field.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: It was a 12-play, 85-yard drive in four minutes. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it's like, God, they're going to score a touchdown here.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And the one problem for Green Bay is Golden is
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: a very talented player, but God, he does not make
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: crazy catches that hit him in the hands. He leads
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: the league in drops. He's an extremely skilled player. I mean,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the speed, because I'm thinking going into this game, The
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: irony about this cold weather division, you know, obviously Detroit
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and Minnesota play in the dome, is like Green Bay
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and Chicago are both kind of built for domes too.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Explosive offenses, they want to throw the ball down the field.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Green Bay was always kind of like that with Rodgers.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: It's like, thank God they didn't play in a dome
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: because they would average like 45 points a game. And
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: sometimes when the cold weather comes, their great assets become
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: neutralized a little bit. Well, that's why I think they
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: got aggressive and got Jacobs and why, you know, they
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: were never going to get rid of them despite anything
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: that happened off the field, which clearly looks pretty ugly.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: But as long as that video doesn't get out, they're
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: just going to keep charging ahead because they need them
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: because the guys they were playing were like practice squad guys.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And you see, I don't know what he's been doing
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: for the last two months, but he looked pretty ready
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: to me. You know, one touchdown, he had breaking tackles.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: You're like, geez, they didn't. The backup kid from USC,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I thought looks like a like a four stringer so
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that they were in desperate need of that but their
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: wide receivers specifically golden just there were plays to be
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: made today and he just didn't come down with them
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: because no bro i i just thought like jordan love
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: puts it on him and he keeps going it's not
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: like he's not like rogers or brady where he's like
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: oh you drop i'm not going because you can tell
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: tom was a little disgusted he's like you got to
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: catch that ball that's a drop Because I think half
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the people on the couch would be like, oh, great
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: play by the DB. And Tom's like, that's a drop.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: And what would Rodgers and Tom do? No more passes
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: for you, buddy. And Jordan just keeps going at him,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: which I understand. I mean, he's extremely talented. But, you know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: that's the difference of these two teams. Like, I think
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Detroit's guys feel– I mean, Amin Ra is one of
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the more sure-handed players in the league. What did Golden
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: end up having today? Six catches for 40 yards. Like,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to me, in this game, if I'm taking the Packers
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: to win, you would have needed that number to be higher.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: And he had 12 targets, Colin. So he had six
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: catches and 12 targets. So it shows you Jordan Love
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: is force-feeding zero the ball.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: No, I think Kraft had a touchdown in this one.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I think Micah Parsons is going to make– I thought
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: this was going to be a shootout. I like Detroit
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to win. I didn't think Detroit played particularly well. Brian
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Branch came back. He did have a pick. But my
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: takeaway watching this game was it was a division rivalry game,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: is that both teams left so much. I mean, Goff
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: knows he didn't play particularly well. Jamison Williams was great.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: He almost had a third touchdown, but he couldn't get
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: his second foot down. I think these are two good
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: teams that didn't play particularly well. It was an ugly
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: division rivalry game. And if I'm Green Bay, and I
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: don't know when Mike is coming back, I think it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: like three weeks, maybe four. It was supposed to come
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: back early October. Now it could be mid-November. But I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: think Green Bay has to be encouraged. I mean, the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: special teams are what they are. It feels like Green
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Bay's kicking situation has been hot and cold forever. But
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I think if I'm Green Bay, my take is Josh Jacobs, clearly.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was no question today there was a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: physical component to the Packers I don't feel like I've
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: had all year. That felt different.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, if he's not there, I mean, he
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: only ran for 36 yards, but the catching, you know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: he caught five balls for 55 yards in the touchdown
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: where he broke the tackle was a huge, because the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: other two guys, I mean, Watson and Golden combined for
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: basically less than 100 yards. Meanwhile, St. Brown and Jamison
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Williams combined for almost 250 yards. And like you said,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: it probably should have been more. And Gibbs ran for
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: almost 120. So, like, they're high-end players. That's why it's like,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: how is this game so close? It all gets back
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: to the fumbles and the turnovers. Because I give Detroit
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of credit. I kind of like the Packers
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: in this game. And, you know, Detroit coming off the bye.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: This is a big game for them, right? Their defense
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: has not been great. 20-17, I think you and I
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: would have guessed it would have been the halftime score.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: You know, so this was, you know, Detroit 4-2. One
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: thing when they're at home that their offensive firepower or
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: they're in a convenient outside environment, they're going to be
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: tough because I mean, St. Brown, Jamison Williams, Laporta, Gibbs,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Goff's been excellent really all season. You know, I threw
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: his first pick. I don't know. Does he even have
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: an interception this year? He's been excellent.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: He isn't coming into the game.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: No, he didn't have one today. So he threw for
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: 300 yards. Like his numbers.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: He was lucky. He was lucky today.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: No, he was. He was. Well, as Tom said, 33.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: There's a reason that guy gets put on defense. He
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't play slot receiver. You know? So, I mean, Colin,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: there'd be a lot more interceptions in the NFL if
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: you put the wide receivers in those positions that the
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: DBs are in. But, yeah, I mean, I think Green
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Bay still has got some issues. Like, I mean, running
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the ball, it was his first game back. but they're
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: going to have to find a way to get to
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: that 100 number to make it a little bit easier
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: because right now they feel very Jordan drop back and
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: throw bombs. I mean, how often does he step back
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: and unleash that thing 30 or 40 yards in the air?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: That feels like their offense right now.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Denver 30, Arizona 16. First of all, I think Denver's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, Vance Joseph, has been the Broncos MVP this year.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: It's stout. They get the pass rush. it's just a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: really good defense. The story of the day was Denver
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: came into the game with 11 chunk plays all year,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: chunk being 20-plus. Today they had five. Bo Nix had
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: a 62-yard touchdown run. Screen pass to R.J. Harvey, third
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: quarter was 52 yards. They had five chunk plays. And
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I was sitting watching this game with my producer, Josh,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, okay, this is like a real offense.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Now it's Arizona, and I got to tell you, For
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a large majority of that game, Arizona did not have
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of fight. You know, Jacoby Brissett, again, when
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you see a backup quarterback or a bridge quarterback and
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: you get like Snoop Huntley or Jacoby Brissett and you
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: kind of get to the mid part of the season
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and we've got a lot of film, they're a little
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: dinged up, they have really bad halves. So I didn't
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: have any strong opinion other than I thought Denver, listen,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: it's Mims, Harvey. I will say Coleman, the rookie running
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: back out of Washington, he was at Arizona, transferred to
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the Huskies with Jed Fish. Denver picked him up. I
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: think he's going to end up being really, really good
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: and important for this team down the stretch. Harvey gets
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff out of the backfield. He
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: feels more pass catcher than he does great elite running back.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I'll still say this. I think Denver's personnel is really outstanding.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And I know this is probably difficult for Sean because,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, most of his career is with Drew Brees,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and he tried it with the Taysom Hill, and it
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: didn't work. I think they should run Bo Nix a
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: little bit more.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: So do I.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yes. Obviously, that play's a little freakish. Have you ever
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: seen a quarterback run that far with no one around
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: him when all the wide receivers are critical? Nobody around him.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Every 10 yards, you're like, when's someone going to come
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: into the screen? It wasn't until the last– He got
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: to the five-yard line. So, obviously, that's a freak play.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: But I think they could pick up a lot of
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: first downs that they've been struggling. He's a high-end athlete.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, this guy is– I was watching
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Minnesota today. A couple times, Kyler was just like, let
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: it rip. Just run around. Make some plays with your
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: feet because you're– you know, you could tell early in
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: that game, it was six, nothing, but it just, he
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: felt that their offense still fell off. That play completely
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: changed the game and they never look back. And I
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: do think, and it happened a couple of times last year,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: he would start running around with his feet. And I
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: think he's, and there's probably this push and pull. Cause
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: when you watch them this year, it feels like I'm
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: not going to run. I'm going to, I got to
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: do with my arm. That's what they want me to
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: do with my arm. They want me to do with
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: my arm. It's like, well, you're not exactly a Elway here, buddy.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So let's go. And, you know, like you said, the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: talent gap and this, I mean, the Cardinals were just
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: a joke, but I do think there's some signs of life,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: which is mobility and maybe that can spark Sean to
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: be like, okay, we got to get back to our roots,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: utilize this kid.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: John, when you watch, I mean, Franklin disappears and he
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: was a fairly high draft pick out of Oregon. Mims
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: making plays, Harvey, Coleman, Sutton, Waddle, Bowe's athletic. I haven't
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: gotten to the tight ends. This team, I said it
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, if you're not going to
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: use Mims- You know, the Rams could use a receiver
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: because Puka's banged up and Devontae is. Like, they've got
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of talent. Everything costs more now. right? Groceries, travel,
• 40:03
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• 40:05
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• 40:07
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• 40:10
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• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Speaking of the Rams, it was their best half of
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the season. They led 28-6 at half. Stafford was unbelievable
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: in the first half, 17-19, three touchdowns. They beat the
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Raiders 35-21. The tight ends awakened for the Rams. Some
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: have been banged up. We were ready for them to
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: be used. I will say they ran the ball. Kyron
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Williams got a little noisy last week. He had 99 yards.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: They fed him the ball. This was sort of the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: half we'd been waiting for all year where they used
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of tight ends. The running game was strong.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, Ashton Gentry, I think the
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Raiders actually have some talent, but I do think they're
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a draft away. And I also think, did you notice today,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Arizona didn't have a ton of life. The Raiders feel
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: like These teams that are a year away, like the Raiders,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: and then they get dinged up. They just don't have
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the depth. So the Raiders, for the first two or
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: three weeks, are like, wow, this is a real punch.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: But they don't have a second or a third because
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: they're still– I mean, like, even a good team like
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: New England, they have 23 guys who are in their
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: first or second year. New England's another draft away, and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: they just got to the Super Bowl. It was kind
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: of a fluky year for them in the AFC. But
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I sort of look at the Raiders and Rams. Even
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: though the Rams won convincingly today– it still doesn't, to me,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel right for the Rams. It still doesn't.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I would say big picture, there are some major question
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: marks with their roster, with the injuries they just had
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: this week. I mean, Devontae led the league in touchdowns
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: last year. And even this year, he's had some massive
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: games and massive moments for them. He's gone six to
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: ten weeks. I'm going to lean for an older player
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: closer to the ten. I mean, who knows? Maybe we
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: never see it. They lost multiple defensive linemen. this week
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: for on injured reserve, like gone.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: So I Turner. So I didn't afford.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: And so then you're depending much more on this guy.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: That's taken two years off. I was thinking today, if
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: they lost, is Aaron Donald be like, you know, you
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: can keep that other 12 million that you owe me
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: for the rest of the season. I'm going back home.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I get that across my mind. I wouldn't even have
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: blamed him. Like I didn't sign up for this. There
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: is no designation for when 95 is going to come back.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Well, there that's what happens though.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: When you hit your wagon to like, He's got, there's
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: no disputing Miles is a very talented player, but, you know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: he's been with the Browns for a long time. A
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: lot of articles about, hey, Miles, we need you to
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: show up on time. You know, it's not like this
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: guy eating tickets. It's not like we got this guy,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: you know, from this winning culture that was viewed as
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: this all time great winner, all time great leader. I mean,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: this isn't exactly Reggie White you're bringing into the building,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's not like, well, he had some
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: transgressions off the field, but he was Lawrence Taylor. He
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: carried us to Super Bowls. So it's like it was
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: a hired gun and it's kind of blown up in
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: their face. So, yeah, they played the Raiders today for
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the last 25 years. have had more games that look
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: like today than the other way around. So I give
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: them credit. Like you said, McVay back against the wall.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: They're an elite red zone team. You get Stafford in
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the red zone, McVay's going to be able to scheme
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: guys open. His accuracy in that little short area, he's
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: dominated this year. Their problem has been like just injuries, obviously,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: and they just have lapses. I mean, even today, a
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: couple turnovers, Kieran Williams put one on the ground again.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Well, And they've got they've gotten a little I think
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: they have a great scouting department, but they needed an
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: offensive tackle. And, you know, there was an argument instead
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: of Ty Simpson, go get a tackle. It was a
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: very good first round tackle draft. And I defended because,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, Stafford has looked old this year. And by
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the way, I was I spent the weekend in Chicago
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: with a former college quarterback. His dad's a very, very
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: close friend of mine. And his son was a college
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: quarterback in the Pac-12. And he went to these camps
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: for years. And so he's known all these quarterbacks. He's
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: been at camps with them and spoke very highly of
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Ty Simpson. Ty Simpson's a really good player. So I
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: kind of defended that. But they went and had to
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: go get Trent McDuffie and Watson from Kansas City because
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the year before they should have drafted a corner. So
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: when they went and got Miles Garrett and then drafted
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: a quarterback that they didn't need immediately– It is easy
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to look in the rearview mirror and go, God, there
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: are some needs on this team. You're getting old. But
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I don't want to make any harsh judgment because I
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: want to see Myles Garrett play and be at full strength.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And Kobe Turner will be back in three to four weeks.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: But this was the first time all year I watched
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the Rams and I saw last year where it's like touchdown, touchdown, quick,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: tight end use, run by. I mean, everybody touched. They
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: were a very hard matchup today. The Vikings go to 6-0.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: They beat the Colts 16-10. I'm not going to talk
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: about it because they have nine offensive touchdowns all season
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and the Bears got eight in week one. So that's
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: not worthy of discussion. I think there's a couple of
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: things to talk about, John, in college football. And let's
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: just get to the point. USC gets off a bye,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: humiliated by Wisconsin, a very average team. So it was
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a mistake-filled, sort of lifeless, offensive Saturday night in Madison.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: And to make it worse, Bob Chesney is 7-0 with
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: UCLA as they drub Michigan State. Not a lot of
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: fans there. They've always been the basketball program in Los Angeles. But,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking a lot of– I want
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: to give you my thought on this because I think
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, there's no coming back. I think Jen Cohen,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: if she could, would buy him out. She has tolerated him.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: They're not close. Many people I've talked to, executives in
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the NFL, everybody knows that he can be defensive and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: a bit prickly. He's not terribly social. And he lives
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: through the play sheet. And so I'm going to throw
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: a theory at you. The top college coaches– Freeman, Signetti, Smart,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and Saban is when they sell physicality and toughness and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: urgency and discipline, it's authentic. And the players know it's authentic.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: You can't fool the players. Saban still lives and breathes
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: what he preached to his football team. He preaches in
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: his life. He eats the same thing for breakfast. He
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: goes to bed at the same time. He's not a
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: big drinker. Like Saban lives the life. And so players
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: buy into it. And you can't fool the players. Well,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: what has USC done primarily well? Primarily not against Wisconsin.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Passing game. Because Lincoln, his belief system is that play sheet.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And the players believe him and they trust him and
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: they respect him through the play sheet. That's why USC offensively, John,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: is pretty consistent until Saturday night offensively. But when he
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: preaches toughness and discipline and physicality, Lincoln does that because
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: he knows that's winning football. But the players don't believe it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: And the reason I know that's true is so many
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: times in games like Saturday, when they needed that second
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: effort or second gear of physicality and toughness, it vanishes.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: The offense in losses rarely vanishes because the belief system
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: of what Lincoln is preaching is authentic. Lincoln is trying
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to sell the team things that he knows are valuable
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: for winning football, but the team doesn't buy it. Bob
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Chesney has walked in to a roster half as talented,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and they're a much better defensive team.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Because what he's preaching, and I talked to the athletic
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: director that hired him. I spent a Thursday night in
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Chicago with a former UCLA AD. said all you had
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to do was interview Bob Chesney. And there is no flash.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: It's 100% substance. So my takeaway is Lincoln knows what
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: winning football is. but it's not really who he is.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: It is who Kirby Smart, Saban, Signetti, Freeman, like what
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: they're preaching is really who they are. And it comes
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: off as the players buy into it. And I just
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: don't think, I think under Lincoln's leadership, they're going to
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: be a poor tackling team. It's the same team, John,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: for four and a half, five years. When they lose,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it always looks the exact same.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would say end of the day,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: he's a Big 12 guy in a physical conference. It's
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: just not going to work if you just cut it
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: down to the nuts and bolts. I mean, he grew
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: up on Mike Leach in Oklahoma. Their defenses were horrendous
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: on loaded teams. They couldn't stop anybody. And nothing has changed.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I think the downfall financially we'll see because it's not
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: just $ 60, $ 70 million to buy him out. You've got
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: to buy a new coach. Who is that coach who
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: you're replacing him with? This marriage, to me, personality matters
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: a lot in these situations. And his personality never fit
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Southern California. I do think that Bob Chesney, who looks
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: like a Hollywood movie star, who the moment he was hired,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: he said, anyone who wants to interview me, anyone, local
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: television podcast, I'm going to do it all because that's
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: what this program needs. And that's what my job is,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: the conduit for this program. in this day and age,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: needs me to be. And you had him on, what,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: last week or two weeks ago? He's done everything because
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: he knows that's important. And Lincoln is the, I was
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: listening to Petro's talk, who's obviously not a huge fan.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: The alumni, the boosters, they don't like him because they
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: don't know him because he won't talk to any of them.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: He hates that stuff.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Antisocial.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Well, to me, if you are going to be introverted,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: I think we all have I have some versions of
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: that to me. There are certain parts of times in
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: your job where you've got to throw that to the
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: side and suck it up, and he refuses. And you
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: can get away with that if you're going 11-1, going
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: to the playoffs, going to the Final Four every year,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: but he's doing the opposite. And that to me buys
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: you a longer leash. Why did they get rid of
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Brian Kelly so fast? Why did James Franklin get a
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: longer leash? Clearly some people liked him, right? He had
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: a big personality, was outspoken. Brian Kelly, everyone turned on
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: him immediately. It feels like the same things happen with
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley because no one likes him. And he's clearly
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: not a good enough coach to make up for that.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: And then you have this guy, I guess it would
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: be right up the road from USC, who is the
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: polar opposite. Defensive guy, team's immediately tough. And everyone's like, oh,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: great guy. He's easy to talk to. See him out.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: He'll talk to me. He'll just introduce himself.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: So you're like, wait, wait, that's, and that's what USC
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: thinks about their Pete Carroll days, Pete, big personality, defensive guy, physical.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: It's like, wait, how are they winning? I was like,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I'll back up quarterback, bunch of skill guys. You've never
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: heard of, uh, not hat quarter of the NIO money. Hell,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I didn't have ever even heard of this guy two
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: years ago and he's being Lincoln Riley. And let's face it.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I think anytime, and you've been a proponent and I've
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: used this advice before. You make decisions strictly out of money.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I remember talking to a buddy that worked for Lincoln
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma. He's like, he's not leaving. He just built
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: this mansion. He's like, who the hell did he sell
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: it to in this area? What did USC do? Lincoln,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: how much do you want for it? He's like, $ 4 million,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: which in Oklahoma would be like a $ 20 million house
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: in LA. We'll give you $ 500, 000 over asking. They gave
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: him so much money. They made him basically, he would
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: have been doing his family a disservice to say no.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: He had to say yes. And it's never really worked.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: And they have this... It's basically a college fugazi where
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: he can just buy these high school kids because he
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: can pay them in high school where these other states
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: can't so he can get these guys. It's... You know, listen,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin's not bad. That's the other thing. They played Notre
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Dame well for half. They went toe-to-toe with UCLA. They
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: didn't just lose to Rutgers.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: That's a real team. No, that's a real defense. That's
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: an excellent top 15 college defense.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Shoved them around, which is not shocking. You're like, well,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: who's Lincoln going to lose to typically? I heard someone–
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: that's the worst offensive output in his 10 years as
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: head coach. So that's an outlier situation. But the way
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: his team looked physically getting pushed around parallels what we've seen.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Going back to like Baker Mayfield's team, that is always the–
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: but that was Mike Leach's thing. That's kind of what
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the football he was– Kirby Smart was raised playing at
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Georgia and then coaching for Saban at LSU and Bama.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Think about Cignetti. Cignetti, he comes from a family of coaches.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: When Kellen Moore, what's he think? He's like offensive guy.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: It's you're, you're kind of bred from something for your
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: coaching philosophy. And obviously Lincoln's just score points, score points,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: score points. Doesn't know any defensive coaches. I've always liked
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: his defensive coordinator at least 15 years ago, but like,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: that's the best. I think people at USC, that's the
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: best you can do. Don't you have a, don't you
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: have a web of people you can contact?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: No, John, what's happened is it's like anything. The best
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: coordinators are not putting their career in Lincoln's hands. They
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: may have done it, his first two years there. But remember,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: he got on that plane to go to USC. And
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: you know, this is what happened with Saban. When you
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: leave a program and you say, guys, whoever gets on
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the plane is on the staff. And the defensive coordinator
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: got on the plane to LA. So you're stuck for
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: two years because he moves his family to LA. You
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: can't fire him after seven games. So by that time,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: They had one chance to get a big-time defensive coordinator.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: They got the kid out of USC, Denton Lynn. And
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: he didn't like it. And he left for Penn State.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: So now you're stuck because now Lincoln's in trouble and
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: none of the top guys are coming. So if you're
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: an offensive guy and you're going to hire a defensive coordinator,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: you better do it early in your tenure because you
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: know how it is, John, in our careers. You're not
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: going to tie yourself to somebody. You're not going to
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: move your wife and kids cross country to a coach
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: who's on the hot seat. So you end up with
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Gary Patterson, who's been, you know, he'd been out of
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: the game. So he's not going to be a recruiter.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know Los Angeles particularly well. It's just– 20.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Years ago, wouldn't USC– financially, things are so– I mean,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: you're talking $ 70 million buyouts. Wouldn't they just go buy
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Bob Chesney? I mean, wouldn't– But here's the thing.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think Chesney fits USC. I've made this argument.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: The kind of coach you need, I don't think Chris Peterson–
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: They offered him the job years and years ago. He's
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: not attracted to it. Bob Chesney, UCLA is the underdog
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: in town. Yeah. Like UCLA, you know.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying Bob should leave or take it. No,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I want to say, but my point is,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: who is, let's say Lincoln's fired tomorrow. Someone strokes you.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Who are they hiring? Like would Urban Meyer come out
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: of retirement? Like who's, so who's, who are your options?
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's one of the things I've
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: said is who's going to write the $ 70 million check.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: They just spent $ 250 million on facilities. They're paying 35
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: million for their roster. This idea that just write the check. Now,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: if you get a Rick Caruso or one of these
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: tech guys up in the Bay Area. $ 70 million to
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: them is a bonus.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: How about some sort of trade to Texas Tech? Some
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: sort of get him back with his Campbell, the money guy.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: They just got embarrassed. They're clearly not as good this year.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: And you get them back home. That Tech, Baylor, that
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: fits him more. He doesn't want to talk to these people. But, hey, Lincoln,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: at Baylor, at Texas Tech, you can't just hide– the
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: college football now, these people cutting this money, they want
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: access to you. You watch that Saban documentary. He has
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: a lot more to him than I think most people realize.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: And you watch it, and even his players talk about it.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: You're like, ah, this guy– You watch Kirby just handle
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: a room, handle a golf tournament. Ditka, some of these
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: clips after he passed. Part of being a footballer, and
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: I was lucky. I've been around Andy Reid and Pat Hill.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: They got some shit to them, but they can also,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: people like them. They're big personalities. It doesn't mean every
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: single day you have to have a great day and
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: talk to everyone and have your door wide open and
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: go around town. But if you don't have that pitch
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: in the bag, I think you have no chance. You
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: can even go to high-level high school coaching nowadays, right?
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's personality. And how do you blame them?
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: They gave him $ 120 million. And I'd be like, I
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: don't want to talk to these people. Why do I
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: need to? All this money is guaranteed.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I'll throw you the name out. If given an out-of-the-box choice,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, who's at Santa Margarita High School, he doesn't
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: need the biggest money, right? Like Carson's done well for himself.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: He loves the program. knowing they'd be in a bit
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: of a financial problem. He probably cut them a break
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: in the first couple of years of the deal, like
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: getting paid big if they made the playoffs. He had
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: a huge bonus. But he has become, I mean, he's built,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Santa Margarita was always good. They're unbeatable now. Now, would
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: he want to leave now because his son's the quarterback? Very,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: very doubtful. I'd call him. I mean, he has been
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: pretty remarkable. I mean, again, not all guys who are
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks and Stars are good coaches. Carson, not surprisingly, a
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: very cerebral kind of intellectual quarterback who really is probably
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: the best quarterback with the worst landing spots in my life. Cincinnati, Raiders, Arizona.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Carson's the best USC quarterback they've ever had in terms
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: of just raw talent. I love Darnold. Carson, if you
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: did a movie about a quarterback, you'd hire Carson Palmer.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: He looked like John Wayne, if he wore a helmet
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: and had cleats. Like, Carson, per size, he could move, tough, bright,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: big game player. I'd give him a call.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think colleges ever turn down the opportunity to
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: hire alumni. You know, UCN. State's all over Phillip Rivers
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: like that that's always you know remember when Cliff Kingsbury
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: at Texas Tech I think that that goes very very
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: well and calms everything down now does he want that
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: didn't Santa Martin didn't they win the whole thing last
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: year You know, in Southern California, and I know they're
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: good again this year, obviously he's done wonders there, but
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: does he want that? I mean, that's kind of a
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: different lifestyle. That's why when Phillip River is going to go,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: it's like, nah, does he really want to do that?
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: And it's a lot of– Lincoln doesn't, I mean, clearly.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, Lincoln's doing the job and doesn't want to
• 59:42
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  Speaker 1: Terms apply. Texas 34, Ole Miss 27. Trinidad, Chambliss, because
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: they fell behind, had to throw 52 times, three picks.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Texas was unbelievable in the first half. It was classic
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Sark in Texas, totally uneven. 24-3 at half, hold on
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: for dear life. In the second, their first five possessions,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Texas fumble, punt, punt, punt, pick. Then they got a touchdown. Arch,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: you know, A couple of rushing touchdowns. I texted an
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: NFL executive during the game, and I said, you know,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Arch had some wow and some whoa. You know, it
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: was a lot, a really bad pick. I don't know.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: It's just, I think he's a little like Bo Nix.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they don't run him 12 times
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: a game. I don't know why Texas doesn't run more.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Do you have any strong opinions on the Texas win
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: and Arch Manning?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it was pretty clear when Sark had
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: his comments early in the week, there was a mutiny
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: in the wide receiver room. You're paying a lot of
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: guys a lot of money, and the passing game was
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: a joke. And that happens in a lot of offensive
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: meeting rooms. You saw Garrett Wilson lighten up Geno Smith.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: When guys aren't getting the ball, those guys are the
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: first to get unhappy. You've talked about it forever. They're
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: a unique bunch. You better be careful when you pay.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: And then Arch and listen, Camp Coleman has been a major.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: I know we got banged up in that game. He's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: been a major letdown. If they could redo that, they
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: would allocate some funds different places. He dropped a touchdown
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: pass on a bomb. But after Arch threw that pick,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: it was like, oh, here we go again. When he
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: threw that pick, I'm thinking, I am going to be
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: stunned if Texas wins. Trinidad did not play well, and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan. That was type NFL game where
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: you're like, whoa, they have an NFL defense, right? They
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: have an Alabama, Georgia, high-paid guys everywhere, and they're missing
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Colin Simmons. And it was hard. He looked off. The
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Ole Miss guys, I mean, Lacey gets KO'd. They have
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: a bunch of NFL wide receivers. It was difficult for them.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: That's a game, to me, that NFL evaluators are going
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: to go over with a fine-tooth comb. But they just
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: started running the ball. They're like, Arch isn't losing us
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: this game. And they just started handing it to Brown.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: And this was like what I preached last week.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: They just run, run, run, touchdown, run, run, run, ice
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: the game. That's what they did.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Listen, 13 years coaching, this Sark team runs less than
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: any Sark team. And I said last week, I said, guys,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I honestly believe, and John, I said this on the air,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: because his name is Manning, Sark, maybe subliminally, doesn't want
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: to screw up his NFL projection. So he doesn't want
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: to make him a running quarterback. He doesn't want to
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: get him hurt. And it's like, Sark, that's what he is.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley did this with Caleb Williams his second year
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in the program. Remember, they lost like Notre Dame. They
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: went to South Bend and got their ass kicked. And
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: the season was over. And basically, Lincoln didn't trust USC's
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: offensive line personnel and didn't want to get Caleb hurt.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: And so he basically said, Caleb, you know, basically gave
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: the offense to Caleb. He was not going to screw
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: up Caleb Williams' future. And I kind of feel like
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Sark had been coaching to almost protect Arch and kind
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: of turn him into, hey, listen, he can throw from
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the pocket. We're going to spend a lot of money
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: on a wide receiver. This is going to look good.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: That's not what Arch is at this point.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: He's Archie.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: He's not Eli and he's not Peyton. He's Archie Manning,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: who was very athletic. And I thought when I watched
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: the Ole Miss game, I'm like, Finally, this is really
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: what he is. He's a much better player than Tebow was,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: a much better pocket, and he will get drafted, probably
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: overdrafted because of his size. Again, he's an athlete. He
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: can make big-time throws. I never watched Tebow throw and thought,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: that's an NFL throw.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: But Tebow was a better college player. Would you agree?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: You could run your offense around him. Arch, I don't
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: trust him series to series. That's my— like last night when
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: he threw that pick, I think everyone in the country,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: and I imagine a lot of people are watching, are
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: thinking this thing's about to unravel. And everyone that follows
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: football go, Sark's going to lose this game after being
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: up 24-3 when Ole Miss was not playing well. And
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: it did feel like it was going to– because that ball–
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: He does these YOLO balls for no reason. You know,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: that's the thing, his decision-making. Eli, more than Peyton, obviously
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: had some crazy mistakes, but Eli was a cerebral player
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: when he was in his prime and playing well, and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: you could trust him in big games. Arch, I feel
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: like sometimes I'm watching, you know, just a quarterback that
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: we would never even discuss as one that you're making
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: fun of with your buddies over beers of the game
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: that you just watched. And because of his name, I mean,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: that play could have cost them the game. I think Sarkson,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: we got very, that could have, and you could see
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: it on his face. And it's like, how is this
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  Speaker 2: going on? And then they barely even let him throw.
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  Speaker 2: And even on his touchdown was just a boot action
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: because of the run game. He walked right in the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: end zone. But that pick to me is a microcosm
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: of the Arch Manning experience. Second half, a game you've
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: dominated against a team that I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if they're going to national championship truly aspirations, but they're
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: thinking we're going to make a run again. You're kicking
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: their ass. And Texas' season's on the line.
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  Speaker 1: And I....
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  Speaker 2: I guess I wasn't surprised. That was the thing when
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: he threw that ball. And then it's basically, it's the
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: guy in the hands. You're like, I don't know. I've
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: seen him do this basically every game, especially every game
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  Speaker 2: that matters. That's the thing. All the big games. It's
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: one thing to do it on the road. You can't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: hear yourself think, but to have these meltdowns at home
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  Speaker 2: that they are, I just don't think they're that good.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: I know their personnel is good, but you go back.
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  Speaker 2: They are extremely fortunate. If they play that Ohio state
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  Speaker 2: game was saying 10 times, how many times did they
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: win in it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I think Ohio State was clearly the better team. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they easily– I mean, they could have melted down.
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  Speaker 1: They just– they are not a trustworthy team with all
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: this talent. Their season is much closer to the disaster
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: that happened in Eugene, all this talent just unraveling, to
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: being 5-2 and still.
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  Speaker 2: Like, having their playoff hopes. I have no– like, well,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: you picked– I guess it depends on the matchup. But, like,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: do you expect them to go on a playoff run?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I don't even think they'd win a playoff game. Oh, God, no.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they've– at Missouri, at LSU, at A & M. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: they're not. They're not built to win close games right now.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: They're built. They're fun. They have great halves. Even look
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: at the games they've won. Ole Miss, Ohio State. They
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: had horrible halves. They're just not. They're an uneven, talented
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: team with a quarterback that's a very good athlete. They
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: should do a little bit Denver Broncos. Just run Bo
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Nix more. Just run Arch Manning more. That's right now
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: in their quarterback evolution. That's what they are, first and foremost.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: All right, John, you can trade the Dallas Cowboys to
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: beat the Eagles at 67% right now on Polymarket. Well,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: after that clunker against Green Bay, but Green Bay looked
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: good today. Maybe the Packers are better than I give
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: them credit for. I like Dallas here. Again, I'm getting
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Dak against a third string quarterback. I'm getting a team
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, which doesn't feel like, honestly, from coaching staff down,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: not terribly unified. Jerry's not a fire head coach and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: mid-season guy with shoddy. I think Dallas is beyond desperate.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I think I like Dallas in this spot.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: You know, looking here on the Polymarket app, Dallas to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: win by four and a half points. These divisional games
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: get weird. And I can have zero trust for Dallas.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: And the one advantage Philly has is Christian Parker, their
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: new D.C., was with Philadelphia. Vic Fangio knows them. They're
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: pretty comfortable with what he's doing. I'm not sure I
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: could pick Philly to win the game, but if you're
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: saying Dallas is going to cover the 4.5, I'm going
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: to hammer no, and that pays 50%.
• 1:08:40
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• 1:08:49
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