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#058_ STORY INSPIRE: Exploring the Wild: Paul Rosolie’s Journey Into the Unknown · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, Jungle Man. What's happening? Good to see you, my brother.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: You got books? You got notes?
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  Speaker 4: I got books. Marshall's here with us. I got this
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  Speaker 4: for you. A little note in there you can read later.
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  Speaker 1: Jungle Keeper, buddy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the brand new. That's back from the Amazon with that.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. Marshall, say hi to everybody. Come on.
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  Speaker 4: I love that you bring Marshall. Has Marshall come on
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  Speaker 4: other podcasts?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he's been on a couple. You good boy.
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  Speaker 4: You good boy.
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  Speaker 1: I just have to keep him from going under the water,
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  Speaker 1: little buddy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've got to keep him from getting under the water.
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  Speaker 1: Come on up here. Come on up here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's the best.
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  Speaker 4: He is the best.
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  Speaker 1: He's a big sweetie.
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  Speaker 4: He's soft, man. He's got an amazing coat.
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  Speaker 1: He's a big sweetie. Well, he gets groomed. Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for the kisses.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Lie down, please.
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  Speaker 4: Lie down.
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  Speaker 1: Lie down, please. So. Oh, my God. You released that video.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the video of the uncontacted tribe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, hitting send on that was scary.
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  Speaker 1: Woo.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wild.
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  Speaker 4: I sent you a message that day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: When that happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did. That is crazy. I've showed it to
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  Speaker 1: a few people, but we never showed it live. So, Marsha,
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  Speaker 1: you got to lie down, buddy. You can't be climbing
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  Speaker 1: under the wires. Lie down, Bubba.
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  Speaker 4: Sit, sit, sit. Good boy, good boy, good boy.
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  Speaker 1: That experience has to be so insane to contact, like,
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  Speaker 1: legitimately uncontacted people. There they are. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: do not look at their dongs.
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  Speaker 4: Do not. Well, I mean, you know, but also maybe
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  Speaker 4: take a style tip from them and tie them up.
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  Speaker 1: Weird how they got their waist wrapped up, but they
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  Speaker 1: don't have their dongs wrapped up or their butthole.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it seems like they're trying to protect or they're
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  Speaker 4: trying to keep lots of rope. I think rope is
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  Speaker 4: like their main thing. So that's how they carry all
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  Speaker 4: their rope.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 4: They carry their rope around their waist. They carry their
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  Speaker 4: rope around their waist and they just want rope. They
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  Speaker 4: want rope and bananas.
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  Speaker 1: Do bananas grow in the Amazon?
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  Speaker 4: So bananas don't grow unless people plant them. So there's
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  Speaker 4: certain human settlements where you can find old bananas growing.
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  Speaker 4: But plantains really is what this is. Mm-hmm. And they
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  Speaker 4: were requesting them. What you see happening here is.
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  Speaker 1: They request them. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: They come out. And I mean, these are people coming
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  Speaker 4: out a thousand years late to society. And they're out
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  Speaker 4: on the beach holding up their hands saying, no mole.
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  Speaker 4: We are the brothers. No mole means brothers. And so
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  Speaker 4: now we actually think that they call themselves the brothers.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa.
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  Speaker 4: And their first thing was, we want bananas. And so
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  Speaker 4: the local anthropologists that we were with, we were just
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  Speaker 4: there to work with the communities that we work with.
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  Speaker 4: And these guys came out across the beach and you
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  Speaker 4: see them, they're holding their bows and those bows are
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  Speaker 4: six foot bows, seven foot arrows. And we were said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the anthropologist was saying, put down your weapons,
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  Speaker 4: put down your bows before you talk to us. This
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  Speaker 4: is does not need to be violent because their first
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  Speaker 4: instinct is to defend themselves. And so there's maybe 20,
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  Speaker 4: 30 of us. And the local guys had a couple
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  Speaker 4: of shotguns just in case for protection. Because we were
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  Speaker 4: not initiating contact. That's the thing I've been explaining to everybody.
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  Speaker 4: We were just there working in the community. They came
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  Speaker 4: out to us.
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  Speaker 1: So they knew you were there and they came out
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  Speaker 1: to you. And how does someone speak their language?
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  Speaker 4: There's one guy in the community that kind of speaks
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. They speak in the community. They speak Yine.
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  Speaker 4: The Mashko Piros speak a derivation of that. And so
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  Speaker 4: they're speaking in broken terms across the river. So they
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  Speaker 4: were sort of shirts versus skins. We were on this
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  Speaker 4: side of the river. They were on that side of
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  Speaker 4: the river. And then, I mean, the courage of this
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  Speaker 4: guy to get in the river and go, you know,
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  Speaker 4: 10 feet from them and push the canoe. There was
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  Speaker 4: no contact, no physical contact made. But he gave them
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  Speaker 4: these plantains. And then you notice when they take them,
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  Speaker 4: It's not like, oh, yeah, let's take the plantains. We'll
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  Speaker 4: go back in the jungle and divvy them up. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: what I get, I get. They're fighting over them. And
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  Speaker 4: they were all screaming and fighting over them. So there's
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  Speaker 4: desperation there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, I guess food is fucking hard
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  Speaker 1: to come by, right? I mean, the jungle is filled
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  Speaker 1: with life, but it's still, it's got to be difficult
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  Speaker 1: to source. And you've got to do it every single day.
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  Speaker 4: Every single day.
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  Speaker 1: There's no refrigeration. There's no preservation.
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  Speaker 4: No. No, so everything is instantaneous. You shoot a monkey,
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  Speaker 4: you got to cook it and eat it. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you get a turtle, you got to, you got to
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  Speaker 4: eat it. You got to open it and eat it.
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  Speaker 4: And so there's, I mean, you can see there, there, there, there's,
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  Speaker 4: there's more, there's that, that questioning look on their face.
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  Speaker 4: They don't understand who really, who we are. And, and the,
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  Speaker 4: really the only communications that we got was we need,
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  Speaker 4: we need more food and stop cutting down our trees.
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  Speaker 4: They wanted to, they said, who are the bad ones?
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  Speaker 4: They said of you, who are the bad ones? Why
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  Speaker 4: are you cutting down Our biggest trees.
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  Speaker 1: Well, not just cutting down the trees, but also killing
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  Speaker 1: the indigenous people that protest it, that get in the
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  Speaker 1: way of it. If their tribe is centrally located in
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  Speaker 1: an area where they're chopping down the trees, they kill
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  Speaker 1: those people.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And so right now what we have is we
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  Speaker 4: have the loggers and the gold miners coming in. And
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  Speaker 4: so since like the last time I saw you, it
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  Speaker 4: was we were nailing all these successes, adding acres to
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  Speaker 4: the reserve because what we're doing is trying to create.
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  Speaker 4: this corridor, which is going to become a national park.
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  Speaker 4: We're trying to save this one river in the headwaters
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  Speaker 4: of the Amazon. And we had been on this success run,
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  Speaker 4: you know, from, from people hearing the stories from things
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  Speaker 4: like this, people coming in and helping us do that.
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  Speaker 4: And then it started to change where we realized, okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're protecting so much land that the logging mafias and
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  Speaker 4: the narco traffickers started pushing back. And so now it's
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  Speaker 4: getting more serious. As we're getting closer to the finish line,
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  Speaker 4: it's getting harder because they're going, we want this to
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  Speaker 4: remain wild. And we're going, we're trying to protect this.
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  Speaker 4: And the local communities are going, this is our forest.
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  Speaker 4: And the loggers and the narcos and the miners are
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  Speaker 4: coming from other places and they're cutting down this forest.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's just, you know, I mean, everyone knows
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  Speaker 4: the Amazon is the lungs of the earth. Everyone knows
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  Speaker 4: it produces a fifth of our oxygen on our planet.
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  Speaker 4: It contains a fifth of the oxygen of the fresh
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  Speaker 4: water on our planet. So it's vital to global planetary stability.
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  Speaker 4: But we've already destroyed 20% of it. And so we're
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  Speaker 4: seeing the moisture cycle get broken. 20% of the whole
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  Speaker 4: Amazon rainforest.
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  Speaker 1: That's insane.
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  Speaker 4: And that thing is 2.7 million square miles. And I
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  Speaker 4: think the lower 48 is 3 point something million square miles.
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  Speaker 4: It's gigantic.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And they've already killed off 20% of it.
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  Speaker 4: 20% of it's already gone.
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  Speaker 1: Is it mostly cattle running? What are they doing it for?
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  Speaker 4: Cattle ranching accounts for 60% of Amazon deforestation. And then
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  Speaker 4: it's just development, roads. China has a new shipping port
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  Speaker 4: in Peru that they want to create, I think, a
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  Speaker 4: railroad over the Andes Mountains or through the Andes Mountains
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  Speaker 4: so they can start. Getting access to the Amazon for
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  Speaker 4: Asian markets.
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  Speaker 1: Is it true they carved out a giant pathway through
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  Speaker 1: the Amazon for a climate change conference?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I've been trying to figure out if that's true.
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  Speaker 4: I saw that go all over the Internet.
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  Speaker 1: But it's one of those things like who knows if
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  Speaker 1: that's real.
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  Speaker 4: That and then the other one is they're like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Swedish billionaire bought this much of the Amazon. And it's like,
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  Speaker 4: but what's his name? They keep saying that. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's put it into perplexity and find out if
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  Speaker 1: that's true. Whether or not they carved out a pathway
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  Speaker 1: through the Amazon for a climate change summit. Because that
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  Speaker 1: sounds like horseshit.
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  Speaker 4: That just sounds too ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way they would do something that stupid.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I did see people.
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  Speaker 1: Also, why would they have a climate change summit in
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  Speaker 1: the Amazon? Are you going to do it in a tent?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think they did it in Manaus. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: there are cities in the Amazon. There's Iquitos, there's Manaus.
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  Speaker 1: Right, sure. But you can fly into those cities. You
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  Speaker 1: don't need to carve out a fucking pathway.
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  Speaker 4: But I remember seeing a video of this guy and
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  Speaker 4: he was saying like, this is where the jungle used
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  Speaker 4: to be and now it's just this big road. And
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  Speaker 4: I was like, but again, who in charge of the climate,
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  Speaker 4: unless they were going to have a climate conference and
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  Speaker 4: just local administrators and politicians said, well, we better get
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  Speaker 4: ready and clear this area. And like, maybe it wasn't intentional.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if they have pictures of it. Whoa, it's
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  Speaker 1: on the BBC. Amazon forest fell to build road for
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  Speaker 1: climate summit.
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. It's real. Oh, my God. A new
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  Speaker 1: four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of
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  Speaker 1: protected Amazon rainforest is being built for the COP30 climate
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  Speaker 1: summit in the Brazilian city of Belém. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: I wish it wasn't Manaus.
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  Speaker 1: That is so crazy. It aims to ease traffic to
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  Speaker 1: the city. Which will help climate. It's easier to drive
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  Speaker 1: when there's no trees. Which owes more than 50,000 people,
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  Speaker 1: including world leaders, at the conference in November. The state
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  Speaker 1: government touts the highway sustainable. I love how they use
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  Speaker 1: that term. Sustainable is one of those wonderful terms. You
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  Speaker 1: can just throw on things. Sustainable credentials, but some locals
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  Speaker 1: and conservationists are outraged at the environmental impact. Yeah, duh.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Look at that.
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  Speaker 1: You're chopping down trees to protest chopping down trees. That's
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  Speaker 1: fucking insane. Sounds amazing. I just, you know. At what
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  Speaker 1: point in time are people going to wake up?
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  Speaker 4: At one point in time, people are going to wake up.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's, you know, that's sort of
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  Speaker 4: as I've been. I've just started this book tour and
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  Speaker 4: everything else. And it's the thing I'm trying to impress.
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  Speaker 4: I was just talking about this the other night is like.
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  Speaker 4: We've had world wars. We've had great famines. We had
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  Speaker 4: the dust bowls. There's never been a time in history, though,
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  Speaker 4: before where we're looking at, is there going to be
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  Speaker 4: ecological collapse? The thing that I'm talking about with where
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  Speaker 4: they've cut 20% of the Amazon, scientists are warning that
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  Speaker 4: if we cut too much of the Amazon, that moisture cycle,
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  Speaker 4: I think the thing was that 20 trillion liters of
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  Speaker 4: water every day are pumped into the air from the Amazon,
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  Speaker 4: and that becomes the cloud system that rains back down
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  Speaker 4: and creates the Amazon rainforest. If you cut too much
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  Speaker 4: of that, you break the cycle. And that forest has
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  Speaker 4: been growing for something like 55 million years i believe
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  Speaker 4: it formed in the eocene and so we are the
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  Speaker 4: generation that's going to decide do we find a sustainable
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  Speaker 4: way to keep the animal the amazon rainforest functioning or
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  Speaker 4: are we going to break that cycle and once we
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  Speaker 4: lose it it's not going to come back.
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  Speaker 1: It's so crazy it's so crazy that people are so
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  Speaker 1: short-sighted they're like we want them have cattle ranches.
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  Speaker 4: It is disorganization and apathy. It's like we have the
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  Speaker 4: ability to organize incredibly. If you can organize an airport,
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  Speaker 4: you can figure out a way to protect a forest.
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  Speaker 4: But the fact that it's in numerous Latin American countries,
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  Speaker 4: Brazil wants to develop. In Peru, you have the illegal
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  Speaker 4: gold miners coming in and now you have the pressure
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  Speaker 4: from the Asian markets. And we found that if you
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  Speaker 4: just– I mean that's what we've been doing over the
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  Speaker 4: last 20 years is going to these gold miners and
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  Speaker 4: loggers and going, how much do you make? And they go,
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  Speaker 4: $ 20 a day. You go– Do you want to make 60?
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  Speaker 4: And you get a cool shirt and you get health
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  Speaker 4: benefits and you get to ride a boat and you
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  Speaker 4: get a team. And they're like, yeah, that sounds so
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  Speaker 4: much better. And they're happy to come over, but they
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  Speaker 4: need the opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about you doing that. I think that is
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  Speaker 1: really amazing. It's just crazy that it takes a person
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  Speaker 1: like you and your organization to like put some sort
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  Speaker 1: of a dent in this. This isn't some sort of
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  Speaker 1: a gigantic global effort. That there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people that are recognizing this issue and saying, hey, this
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  Speaker 1: is a huge problem if this goes away.
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  Speaker 4: I think though that there– I see in the world
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  Speaker 4: that I exist in, I see that all over the
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  Speaker 4: world there's people doing conservation projects and that we are
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  Speaker 4: at this point where there's enough happening where– If you
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  Speaker 4: break too much down, if you ruin our ocean fisheries,
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  Speaker 4: if you cut the rainforests in the forest, you're going
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  Speaker 4: to ruin the weather. The stuff that comes standard with
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  Speaker 4: life on Earth is going to be depleted. And so
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, you see tiger numbers going up
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  Speaker 4: in India. You see that there's actually been an increase
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  Speaker 4: in forest cover globally. But in some of the most
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  Speaker 4: important areas, like the Amazon, it's just wild. And I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's what we're doing is, you know, The guy, JJ,
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  Speaker 4: that I work with who's local, he's been trying to–
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  Speaker 4: he's been saying this for years. I mean since we
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  Speaker 4: saw each other, he got– which I don't know how
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  Speaker 4: this happened. I don't know how some of this stuff happens.
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  Speaker 4: But we got an email one day from Time and
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  Speaker 4: they were like, we're selecting our 100 climate leaders of 2024.
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  Speaker 4: And they're like, JJ is one of them. And I
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  Speaker 4: have no idea how the people at Time select this,
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  Speaker 4: but they chose this. I mean JJ grew up. in
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  Speaker 4: an indigenous community barefoot. He didn't have shoes until he
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  Speaker 4: was 13. And it was because he saw his forest
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  Speaker 4: get destroyed. And because he saw the fish vanish from
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  Speaker 4: the rivers as nets came in. And then as chainsaws
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  Speaker 4: came to the region, he saw the trees go down
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  Speaker 4: and he went, we got to protect the next river.
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  Speaker 4: And so he's the one that, you know, when I
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  Speaker 4: went down there at 18 years old, he's the one
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  Speaker 4: that was like, look, you got to help me protect this.
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  Speaker 4: And of course at 18 years old, I was like, how,
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  Speaker 4: how do I do that? How, how on earth is
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  Speaker 4: that possible? And then when we started seeing the smoke
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  Speaker 4: on the horizon and we started hearing the chainsaws and
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  Speaker 4: it got more urgent, I started telling these stories and
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  Speaker 4: then the Anaconda stories and everything else, the first book
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  Speaker 4: that I wrote. And little by little, Jane Goodall, people
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  Speaker 4: helped along the way. Joe Rogan helped along the way.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to get the word out because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of insane that it's happening. But it's also
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  Speaker 1: that place is such a magical place. And it has
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  Speaker 1: such an insane history that we're just starting to understand
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  Speaker 1: the history of the people that lived there. I mean
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  Speaker 1: through the use of LIDAR, they're just starting to understand
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  Speaker 1: that the entire place was massively populated and that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the plants that exist in the Amazon are
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  Speaker 1: actually agriculture plants that went rogue when the people were
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  Speaker 1: depopulated because people brought in smallpox.
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  Speaker 4: I got to push back on that. That's that's I
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  Speaker 4: feel like that's a theory that's been becoming prevalent as
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  Speaker 4: a theory.
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  Speaker 1: Well, sure. There was a jungle before. Yeah. Because even
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  Speaker 1: in the lost city of Z, I mean, even the talk.
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  Speaker 1: What is it? Percy Fawcett?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: People that went there, they talked about the Amazon being
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  Speaker 1: a lush rainforest.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And these enormous cities that were incredibly complex.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Before the jungle swallowed them up. So it's clear that
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  Speaker 1: there was some form of jungle there already.
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  Speaker 4: 100%.
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  Speaker 1: But that these plants that they grew for agriculture were
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  Speaker 1: the ones that had, you know, once people stopped tending
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  Speaker 1: them and taking care of them, they overwhelmed the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the forest.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a friend sent me a clip, and I think
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  Speaker 4: you were talking to Tom Segura, and you went, you know,
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: and the crazy thing about the Amazon, and you went,
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: it's largely man-made, and I was like, and I was like,
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: through something and i was like no.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Well let's find out why we said that let's uh
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: pull that up um put run that into perplexity and
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: see what articles we get because what they're saying is
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: that these plants that the number if i believe if
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: i'm not misstating the numbers that they exist in are
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: not natural.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: But that's only around these ancient sites and so i
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: went and did a deep dive into this and the
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: sites that they've studied are along the watersheds and so
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: in the amazon you have terra firma which is sort
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: of dry forest and then it dips into the river
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: basin and you have flood plain most of these cities
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: existed on flood plains and so where the scientists are
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: able to go is up the rivers and they go
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: to the edges of these flood plains where they find
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: ancient human settlements and that's where you find terra preta
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: soil which is human engineered and that's where you find
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: there'll be like a higher incidence of certain trees or
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: certain plants what are these trees And so like bananas,
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: for example, or sometimes they'll plant a higher amount of
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Brazil nut trees.
• 16:19
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• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Estimates suggest that roughly 10 to 15 percent of the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Amazon standing forest shows clear signs of being man-made or
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: strongly shaped by long-term indigenous management. Not planted as uniform
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: tree farms, but modified over thousands of years. Much of
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: the Amazon that looks wild has been influenced by pre-Columbian
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: indigenous agroforestry. Soil enrichment, Amazon dark earths, that's terra preta,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and species selection rather than being a purely untouched wilderness.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: These systems differ from modern plantations. They are diverse, semi-natural
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: forests enriched with useful trees and crops rather than rows
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: of single commercial species. So the idea of the terra
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: preta was that a lot of the Amazon soil is
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: not good for agriculture. Is that correct?
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: It's barren.
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  Speaker 4: It used to be a vast inland sea.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Yes. When it separated from Africa, the Congo and the
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Amazon used to be joined in some sort of proto-Congo system.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: And then when they separated, the Amazon, South America hit
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: up against the Nazca Plate, the Andes Mountains shot up,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: and then the salinated water drained out. And that's why
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: we still have inland freshwater stingrays, manatees, rhinos. pink river dolphins.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: And so that happened over millions of years as the
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: salinated water.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: So over millions of years, the saltwater dolphins adapted to freshwater.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And is that why they became pink?
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: They became pink, I think, because they've lost their pigmentation.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: They have terrible eyesight. They almost don't need to see
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: because in that sediment-rich water, they're using sonar.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Whoa, that's crazy.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Wow. So they've become almost blind?
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: All the fish. You pull out these giant catfish, they
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: hardly have eyes. They have, like, light-sensing organs. Whoa. You
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: can't see. I mean, there are clear rivers in the Amazon,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: which I would love to go. I've never been to one. And, like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: the streams are clear, but the Amazon River itself is nothing.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Everyone's like, oh, you should bring a GoPro in the
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: river with you. And I'm like, for what? You're not
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: going to see anything.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: It's just sediment. Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But the thing that this... This theory about the
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Amazon is even human engineered is wrong because when you
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: look at the size of the Amazon, you look at
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: that 2.7 million miles. it's that they've said that what
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: they're not getting is that in the areas that these
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: people have been studying with LIDAR and through this anthropological digging,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: They're saying it's more than we thought. There's certainly more
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: human settlements than we previously thought. There maybe were a
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: few million people there before Pizarro and the explorers came.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: But what you don't realize is that between the rivers,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: between each river, which is the majority of the Amazon,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: is this terra firma giant jungle with hundreds of miles
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: between the rivers. Nobody's been there. And so I just
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: was reading a scientific paper that was saying, They went
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: out and sampled those areas, and it showed absolutely no
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: sign of human engineering. And so most of the.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Forest— In terms of the growth of the plants, but
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: did they do LIDAR to see if there's previous structures?
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Well, the good thing with the LIDAR is that they
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: fly over. And so LIDAR confirmed that over those human areas,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: like you get like a river confluence where two rivers
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: are coming together, there'll be a human settlement there. And
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: in those areas, they find that the terra preta, they'll
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: find that the plants occur in different abundance and diversity
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: than in the other places. But that the– this message
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: that the Amazon itself was engineered by ancient humans or
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: prehistoric humans is not actually accurate. It was a wild jungle.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: So do you think they're saying it for clickbait? Did
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: they make those articles for clickbait?
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: I think they're saying it because people build their careers
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: on– if you come out and say I have a
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: new theory about how this formed, it gets attention. There's
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: even a– and nothing against– what's his name? Graham Hancock? Mm-hmm.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: For a while, everyone was like, oh, Paul Rosli needs
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: to debate Graham. I got nothing against Graham Hancock. He's great.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: But it's just the messaging is becoming that the Amazon
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: was kind of man-made. And so what happens is you
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: get leaders like in Brazil going, well, if the Amazon
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: was really man-made, then we can manage it now. And
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: it's just not accurate. If you look at the– and
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: even Smithsonian did an article where they said these are
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: the current things that are coming out. These are the theories.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: And then it went, yeah, but these theories– discount the
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: fact that 95% of the Amazon rainforest has not been
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: surveyed in this way. And most of it shows that
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: these are just wild ecosystems that have been growing since
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: the dawn of time for the last 55, 30 million years.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: And it's just been speciating and growing and evolving on
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: its own. And it's only in these tiny areas that
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: humans have done this sort of engineering where there were tribes.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: The first one to come down the Amazon, he mentioned
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: that there were tribes that had sectioned off parts of
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: the river, and they were growing the giant river turtles.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: And that was their prime source of protein. So they
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: figured out how to get protein.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Big as a giant river turtle.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, tremendous. They're like three or four feet across from
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: the carapace.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Show me a giant river turtle, Jamie. Oh, they're huge.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: They're monstrous. Absolutely. We don't have them where we are.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Like bigger than sea turtles? Like those sea turtles you
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: get in Hawaii? Sea turtle size. They're huge. They're absolutely monstrous.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: And then we found fossils over there. We were on
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: a beach. We found fossils of an eight-foot river turtle.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but see like that. Okay, so just like the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: ones you find in Hawaii. Those sea turtles are like
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: if you go to the big island, you could swim
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: with them. It's pretty dope. Yeah, these guys don't have
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: flippers though. They still have claws. Okay.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: I mean those are monster turtles.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Massive. And so they were growing them, farming them for food.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: They were farming them. And so in areas like that,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: you're going to see agriculture. You're going to see pottery.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: You're going to see terra preta. You're going to see
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: things where there was a small civilization by the edge
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: of the river. And then in the other 98% of
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: the Amazon, no one's ever been there.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Have you had sea turtle before? This kind of turtle,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, have you eaten it yet?
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, sea turtle, no.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: This?
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: This turtle? Yeah?
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: What is it like?
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: It's kind of slimy. It's not like anything. It's very
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: strange because they cook it and just, you know, everyone always,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: how could you be a conservationist and eat the animal?
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Because when you go to someone's house and they live
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: on the side of a river and they go, we're
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: having dinner. That's what they're serving.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: You got to eat with them. You got to eat
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: with them. I wouldn't do that, man. You're ruining the earth.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: How could you? Let me throw paint on it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Let me glue myself to the shell.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Yes. That's what I'm going to do next time. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I showed you that video where I'm sharing the monkey
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: head with the girl. And I was like, I was
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: babysitting a six-year-old and she was like, it's lunchtime. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I was like, well, what did your parents leave you
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: for lunch? And she like opens this pot and pulls
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: out a monkey head. And she was like this. So
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: we put it on the fire, warmed it up. And
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: then we both sat there just like, I would like
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: rip off a piece for her because I was stronger
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: and give it to her. And then she was like, no, no, no,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I want the ear. And she would rip off the ear.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Like we just sat there eating a monkey face. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: so the turtle, they cook it in the shell. They'll
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: just like slit its throat, throw it on the fire.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: And so it cooks in the shell. Then they part
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the shell. And then you kind of just like, it's
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: like a slow cooked, like when the meat falls off
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: the bone.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: You just throw a little salt on there.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of, how do they get their salt?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Is that something they trade?
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: They trade for it. They trade for– I mean the
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: people I'm dealing with have access to the outside. Even
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: the really remote communities that are two days upriver, they
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: trade with the outside world. They have some interaction with money.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: And so that's one of the things that we're doing
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: as an organization is saying, OK, what do you want
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: your future to look like? Because right now you have
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: a couple shotguns. You got a couple chainsaws. You got
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: a couple boats. And those things make you want money.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: But you also want to eat fish out of the
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: river every day. Right. You also want to eat monkeys
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: every day. And these are your staples. And they're like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: you know, if you cut down more of these trees,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: there will be less monkeys. If you shoot too many,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: like it's not like they have deer tags where it's
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: like a monitored thing. They just, they're not understanding this.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: You know, when it was a bow and arrow, it
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: was kind of a fair game.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Now the shotgun, it's like you can go shoot whatever
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: you want.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, every time you point at a monkey, it's dead.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: It's not a tricky hunt.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: And so we're, these guys are, you know, working with
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: us as rangers and we're building this development. developing this
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: relationship with the local communities of saying, how do you,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: do you want to continue living this way? Do you
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: want your kids to live this way? And the answer
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: usually is yes, but with better health and education. So
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: we want to guess, but that's interesting. So they like
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: that way of life. They want, they want to continue
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: that way of life because it's the only thing they've known.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, has, have any of these people ever gone
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: to like any of these other cities that are fairly
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: close or, that they could reach and see what that
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: life is like? Yeah, we bought, we brought one of
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: the communities. They were having trouble with the Peruvian government
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: getting recognized as an indigenous community. And they were having
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: this trouble for 15 years. And we, we used, you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: now we have lawyers and people and we have an
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: office and all this stuff in Peru. And so we,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: we went and sat down with them. We said, okay,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: why are you having this trouble? I mean, you clearly
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: are an indigenous community. What's, what's the holdup? And the
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: holdup was that it takes two days for them to
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: get to the nearest town. When they get to the
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: nearest town, they're,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: their indigenous titled land. And so now no one can
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: take that away from them. And so for that, we
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: brought them all to the city. We had a big
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: conference and we had a big celebration about it and
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: they all had the feathers on their head and they
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: were all celebrating and now they're safe.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Is there any pushback? Like, is there any like political
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: influence by the, whatever it is, miners, ranchers, anyone who
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: tries to stop that from happening, bribe people to try
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to take over the land of these people?
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean, the Amazon is a war zone of, influence.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: And so you have, I mean, the miners, if anybody
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: tries to protest the gold mining, they kill you. So
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: one of the lawyers that I was working with, his
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: father had come out and said, look, as a local
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Peruvian person in the jungle, I want this to stop.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: They can't, they're destroying. There's a, Jamie, there's a photo
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: in the folder that says, I think it says sandstorm
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: or something, but it's just, it's not even, again, deserts
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: are actually ecosystems. This is a wasteland. They've They've destroyed
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands of acres in the Peruvian Amazon. You
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: can see it from space. It's this horrible scar. And
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: they've cut the trees, burned the forest, and then they've
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: sucked the land up. And then they take the bottom
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: of the sediment and they use mercury to bind the
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: gold out of the sediment. And then they burn the
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: mercury off the gold, releasing it into the air.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, great. Oh, yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: So that then in the rain, it comes down as
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: mercury rain, which gets into the fish, which gets into
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: the people.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And then also the miners must be getting mercury poisoning.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: The miners all have mercury poisoning, birth defects, health problems,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: respiratory issues.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's some of the fires.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Is that you? That is me. That is me running
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: out there.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So you're right there.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as we see forest burning, we
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: run towards it. And it rains there a lot, right?
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: So how long does this forest fire last?
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Well, they do it in September. It's like July through
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: September when the forest is at its driest. They come
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: in and they cut the forest and they leave it down.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: What was that picture you just showed me, Jamie?
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: That's a horrible picture.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Is that animals burned alive on a tree?
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: That's two baby jaguars that were burned alive.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And they're just stuck on the tree, burned alive?
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: That's crazy. People talk about, you know, we're losing ecosystems.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: And it's like, It's not just about us. These animals
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: live there. They have nowhere else to go. And so
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: there's massive individual suffering for millions of animals on a
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: single tree. And so then when you have these fires
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: where they cut the forest and just burn everything, this,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, those trees would have been filled with monkeys
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: and birds. and and and and the snakes you know
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: they they get scared they burrow deeper into their hole
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: and then they're then it burns and so this is
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: all for gold mining this was the this was for
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: cattle ranching this one this was invaders on our river
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: that come in from other places they would they set
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: up cows they set up papaya and I mean, this
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: is what it's supposed to look like. It's supposed to
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: be this lush, verdant, ancient rainforest filled with wildlife. I mean,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: the cacophony of sound. When you're going to sleep in
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: your tent at night and you're out in a place
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: like that, it's just this throbbing, pulsing symphony. It's incredible.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: The magic of that place, of real wilderness, is wild.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, that particular shot was wild. It's– we had
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: to go for days to reach that spot, all day
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: on the river camp, all day on the river camp.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: You're going up rapids. You're going up the waterfalls to
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: get to these places that nobody can go. And there's
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: an example of– that was specifically a location where they've
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: studied and they've found that there's never been a human
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: settlement there. It's just a corner of the Amazon. Ever.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Have they done LIDAR in these areas where they say that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: People have never been? I don't know for sure.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: That's where it gets weird, right? Because like they've done
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: LIDAR on some of these places that were like very
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: lush and tropical and then they find these structures underneath it. Absolutely.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: They find these areas that clearly had some sort of
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: pathways and like geometric patterns that indicate foundations of buildings.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Those are there.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: I just think that right now the problem is that
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: it's getting grossly overstated. How much of the Amazon– if
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: you take it as a football field and you go, man,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: I thought it was only in this much of the
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: football field, in a few inches of it. And then
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: you find out there's actually 10 feet of the football
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: field that was– still the rest of the football field
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: is still wild.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: And so I think that's the message that's getting lost
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: is they're going, there's a lot more here than we thought.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean the whole thing.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I watched a documentary once on this guy who was
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: losing his mind. He was a scientist who was a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: biologist who was convinced that the giant sloth still existed
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: in the Amazon and they couldn't find it. And that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: these people who lived there were telling him, we see them,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: we know what they are, we have a name for them.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: And this guy had been there for years and he
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: was losing his mind because he couldn't find it. And
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: he sort of staked his academic reputation on the idea
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: that this sloth existed, couldn't find anything. But it doesn't
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: mean it's not there.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: It doesn't mean it's not there.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Because there's so much.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: There's so much. And the locals are never wrong.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Like imagine if you were looking for a coyote and
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you had to look through the entire– like there was
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: a thousand coyotes in the center of the United States
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and you started in Pennsylvania.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And you were hiking your way like, I don't see
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: any fucking coyotes. But there's a thousand of them that
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: are in North Dakota. And you've got to find this.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: That's a great way of thinking of it. It's the
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: same thing with rattlesnakes. When I was a teenager, I
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: was exploring the mountains of New York. And I was going,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: it says there's rattlesnakes here. So I was just walking
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: around finding every kind of snake. I'd be like, well,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: where are the rattlesnakes? And you don't realize that wildlife
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: occurs in populations. And so the rattlesnakes were all near
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: rattlesnake dens. And so then I started making friends with
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: other guys that were into snakes. And they were like, yeah,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: we know where they are. It's only– you see that
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: mountain right there? It's like it's on the side of that.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Go to that in the morning when there's sun and
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: you'll see them basking. It's like you got to go
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: to where they live.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Right. And you have to talk to the people that
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: actually know. Well, this guy was trying to do that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: But there was this one scene of exasperation. Where he was, like,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: sitting down saying, did I stake my entire reputation on
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: horse shit, you know?
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Did he, did he?
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Buddy, do you have to pee? He keeps getting up,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: which is unusual for him. Can you tell Jeff to
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: come and get him and see if he can, he
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: might have to pee. He's generally, he's happy to chill.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll just lay down.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: He keeps getting up and he's huffing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Which is like, he communicates that way.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Like, when he wants to eat, he comes up to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: me and he huffs, you know? My buddy's the.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Best, Jeff. No, but I think that that's the truth.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: People think it's like you can just go find this stuff.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: And the secrets in this world are hidden for a reason.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: And even if there is a tribe that knows about
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: the giant ground sloths, they're not going to tell us. Right.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: They're not going to tell someone from the outside. So
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: it might be like one valley between two mountains where
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: there's still a population.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he has to go. Thanks, Jeff.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't– you know.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I mean there's got to be a bunch– well, there's
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: so many plants that they find there. This is an
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: interesting statistic. Find out what percentage of pharmaceutical drugs, the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: compounds emanate from the Amazon. It's an enormous percentage.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of the base drugs. Quinine
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: came from the Amazon, the first cure for malaria. I
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: know Captopril, which was a blood pressure medication, came from
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Bushmaster Venom. That was in the 90s. There's so much.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just got whacked by a stingray hard.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I saw that. It got your foot, right? That was brutal.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: What was that like? What happened?
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: That was brutal.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, that in— Bro, you've been hit by everything.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Dude, my body is a Jackson Pollock painting of scars.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Do you ever get checked for parasites? Because you must
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: have all of them.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Estimates typically say that about 25% of modern pharmaceutical drugs
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: are derived from rainforest plants. And many— Of those known
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: examples come from the Amazon, but there's no precise peer-reviewed
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: percentage just for the Amazon alone. Most popular figures, you
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: see like 25% of medicines come from the Amazon, actually
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: refer to all tropical rainforests, not specifically the Amazon. But
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the thing is like how much of the Amazon has
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: not been explored and how many potential pharmaceutical drugs or–
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that's the term, right? Pharmaceutical drugs. What about natural remedies
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: exist in the Amazon that– You don't need to patent
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: them and sell them at a fucking pharmacy.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, look. So we have Neosporin.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: You get a cut.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: It looks a little infected. You put Neosporin on it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: It might work. Down there, we have a tree that
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: we tested this, and it murders bacteria. It's like 100
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: times more potent than Neosporin.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: What's it called?
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: The Sangre de Drago. It's not even a big secret.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: People know about this. Every time I post about it,
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: everyone's like, yeah, we know about that. We use it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: No kidding.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: But no one's ever turned it into a cream.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Can it grow in Austin?
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Can I get some sangre? How do you say it?
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Sangre de Drago.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: The dragon's blood. Sangre de Drago.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Sangre de Drago.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Sangre de Drago.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Dragon's blood.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I'm watching Game of Thrones again. That sounds like something
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Khaleesi would say.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: The mother of dragons.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And by the way, Khal Drago could have used that.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, right.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: The thing that took him down.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: That didn't make any sense to me. I thought that
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: was a plot hole. No. Here it is. Dragon's blood.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Sangre de Drago. Wow.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but is it good? Is it sourced well?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Right. It's probably made by some asshole. It's probably like 1%.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: The rest of it's corn syrup.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Because we just go. We just hit the tree with
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: the machete.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: And then you have a spoon.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: And then you put it on your thing. And actually,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: exactly that. When I saw that, I thought the opposite.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this great warrior. I was like,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: that's such a great plot twist that just a nick
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: kills him. I mean, I just had a staph infection
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: in my leg from one mosquito bite that just got itchy.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: And then it spread and it spread and it spread
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: until I had to be on double antibiotics. They cultured
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: it and it was MRSA. And it's like I would
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: have died.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: MRSA in the Amazon.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Well, I got MRSA years ago at– I had dengue
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: and I had gone to a clinic in the city,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: which MRSA usually lives like in the hospitals in the
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: human areas.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Right, because it's a medication-resistant staph infection.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: That's what MRSA stands for, right?
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: And so I had gotten it. And so I have
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: a tendency now. I've been a little bit compromised in
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: terms of infections because living 20 years in the jungle.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: And so I had already gotten it. So chances are
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: that's what it doesn't exist. And that's the thing you
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: see in the in the wild jungle. You don't have malaria.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: You don't have rabies. You don't have dengue because the
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: human population is so low that it doesn't spread. A
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: mosquito bites you here. The next person is going to
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: bite is me or Jamie. mosquito bites me in the
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: city and then I go out into the rainforest, there's
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: no one else for it to bite. It's going to
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: bite an anteater.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: And so it's not going to spread like that. Whereas
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: if we have a town of loggers, that's why when
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: you go to these like logging and mining camps, the diseases,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: they're just, I mean, there's this thing called this type
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: of flea called a piki that burrows into your feet
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: and lays eggs. There's leishmaniasis. There's malaria, dengue. What's the bird?
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Zika virus. There's all these, crazy things, but we don't
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: have that out in the jungle because I mean the,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: the ecosystem, the frogs eat most of the, the, the
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: mosquito larva, the mosquito larva, like, like bromeliad cups or puddles. Well,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: bromeliad cups and puddles are filled with tadpoles. And then
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: of course there's turtles in the puddles eating the tadpoles.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: And then there's other things eating the turtles. Everything's eating everything.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Ecosystem regulates it. And when you ruin that, so then
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: you cut down the forest. Now you have puddles and,
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: sitting in the sun and they're all twitching with mosquito larva.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: So then you have tons of mosquitoes. And so that's
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: how nature, they say, you know, mangrove forests will stop
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: tsunamis from destroying a town because they'll stop the rush
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: of the water. Well, forests will keep you safe by
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: not only producing rainfall that'll come down on your crops,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: but also making sure that the ecosystem's not out of balance.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: So you're not covered in mosquitoes and parasites.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: When I lived in L.A., I moved into a house
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: in Encino that I was renting and no one had
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: lived there in quite a while and they had left
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the water. in the pool. And when I was going
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: out to look at the pool, the pool was completely
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: green and there was things swimming in it like. I
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: mean like school swimming. And I go, what is that?
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: And the guy goes, that's mosquito larvae. I'm like, no way.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, we have to kill them. We
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: have to drain the pool. Like I was just thinking
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: about how many times I was going to get bit
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: once these things hatched. It was crazy. Like it was
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: like watching little fish swim around.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Little hatchlings. Yep. And then thank God for dragonflies because
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: they'll lay their young in the same thing. And dragonfly
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: larva will go murk those things. They're savage. And then
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: you get tadpoles.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Got wild kingdom right in your pool. Right in your pool,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: right in your little cup.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: But when I got stung by the stingray, it was
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: crazy because– so the– I had been walking– Oh, you're back, buddy.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: I've been walking with shoes in this stream. I took
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: my shoes off because I was like, oh, I'm at
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: a waterfall. I know this waterfall. I love this waterfall.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Playing in the waterfall. And man, it's the one thing.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Bullet ants– caiman bites snake bites i've had it all
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: the stingray bite was the one thing worse than bullet
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: ants a hundred thousand times worse really yes and i'd
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: seen one guy get get stung by a stingray and
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: he had nerve damage a systemic infection up his leg
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: and his whole body and he didn't walk for months
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: so when i got hit i felt this is what
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: i felt i felt in the flash of a second
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: i felt the stingray barb go into my foot and
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: it wagged its tail under my skin So it flayed
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: the skin off the arch of my foot and came out.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, and it has venom? Yeah. So there, all the
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: skin is. Oh, man.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: That's nasty. Did you put the skin of the dragon
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: or whatever the hell it is? Better.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: So I sat and, of course, my first thing was like, okay,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: I got to document this.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: I'm unconscious.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I'm unconscious at this point. You're in that much pain.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I was blacking out.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I was literally, I knew, I knew
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: people were filming and I was like, I didn't, you know,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: you want to be tough. You want to be like,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: all right, I just got bit by a stingray. It's
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: going to be fine. I was not tough.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: It says, I don't remember any of this.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: So that, that first thing right there, I started taking
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: a video and my friend comes up to me and
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: he was like, Hey man, he's like, we gotta, you
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: gotta stop. He's like, cause in a minute you're going
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: to go under. I was like, what do you mean?
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go under. And he's like, once the
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: venom hits your system, he's, he goes, you're not going
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: to be able to walk. And we're, we're still a
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: few miles from the river. And he's like, we got
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: to get you to the boat and we can't carry you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: And so they got me back to the station. I
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: don't remember any of it. They had me laying on
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: my back and I was in so much pain. I
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: couldn't put my foot down. I mean, I was making
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: deals with God. I was going, if I, if you,
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: if you just make the pain go away, I was like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: I'll go to church every day. I was like, I'll
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: never smoke a.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Cigarette again on your foot.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: So that's the plant medicine. That's where I'm going with
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: this cigarette every day.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: That's funny.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: That pack there, they went to two different trees and
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: they removed compounds from the tree. One was the bark
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: and one was the fiber. And they put it into
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: a leaf pack and they cook it on a pan
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: and they heat it and it makes this plant poultice.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: And they put this boiling hot piece of plant material.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: It's like a fish cake. And they put it against
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: the wound. And even that burned, but it felt better
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: than the venom. And it starts to suck out the venom.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: And so when they took it off my foot after, like,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: this is them getting the plant material, they know the medicines.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: And that's been handed down through the generations.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: So they're just shaving it off with a knife. Yes.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: You see there's a few different colors. And then they make, like,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: a cake of all this stuff?
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh. Wow.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: And then they heat that up until it's scalding. Press
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: it against your foot.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: And you've been in the Amazon for a long time.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: This is the first time it's ever happened to you?
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: You've been stung by a stingray?
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: This is the first time.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Now, how does it happen? You just, you step in
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the wrong place?
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: JJ's nephew. So he knows he's got the indigenous training.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: He knew exactly what to do.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And so that's all the venom. So now all
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: that black stuff is all the, all the, the, the
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: denatured blood that came out of my foot. And so
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: for about four hours, I was in this state of
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: just level 10 pain, just white hot pain. I couldn't
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: talk to anybody. I couldn't do anything. People were coming
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: to me and they were like, what can we do?
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: And I was like, just leave me alone. I was like,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: I don't want you to look at my face. You know,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: I was coming in and out. And then, and then
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: by nighttime it had, it had gotten, this was at
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: night where I was like, okay, the pain had subsided,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: but I didn't get nerve damage and I didn't get
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: a huge infection because they had this indigenous plant medicine
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: to save me. The last guy that I knew that
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: got it, he'd went straight to the hospital and they'd
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: had no idea how to deal with it. The locals
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: know how to deal with this stuff. Wow. Look at that.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: That's tree medicine.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. So what happens? You just stepped in the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: wrong spot. That's all it is.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've stepped on stingrays before and you feel
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: them flutter. And I, one time I even felt the
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: barb go like past my foot, but it didn't penetrate.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: I do not know how, I mean, it must've been
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: a small one or something, but it just right up
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: through the, through the arch of my foot. And what's
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: funny is it just.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I would never walk barefoot ever.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: I walk barefoot all the time, but, but, but just
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: days before, not days before that, about a month before that,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I'd fallen off of something like a 50 or 60
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: foot cliff and just rolled down and bruised ribs and
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: gotten all banged up. I'd climbed up this cliff thinking
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: I could, I was like, I see this root up there.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: I can get up to the top. And at the top,
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: my strength just ran out and my feet were pedaling
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: and I had no footholds. And I just went tumbling
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: down this thing. And I just went, you know what?
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: I said, I've had infections. I've had crocodile bites. I've had,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: I've had dengue. I said, I'm, I got a week
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: left in the Amazon. I'd been in the Amazon for
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: six months and I was like, I'm doing nothing dangerous.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: No tree climbing, no anaconda hunting, no croc diving, none
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: of that stuff. And I was just swimming in a waterfall.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Bam.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Just put me out of the game. That was actually
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: in April. I waited to post it until now. But
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: everyone's messaging me going, how's your foot? And I'm like,
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: it was months ago. But I was like, it is better.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: How long did it take before it was better?
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Honestly, two days. I was on my feet in two days. Wow.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: And if you went to the hospital?
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: I did not go to the hospital.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: But if you did go to the hospital, how long
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: did it take?
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Didn't walk for two months had the necrosis and and
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: had a huge infection that he had to go get
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: treatments for i mean he went back to his home
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: country and had to continue being treated for months i
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: felt terrible and him too watching watching someone roll back
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: and forth in that type of agonizing pain like braveheart
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: pain like when they're just like opening him up i
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: mean i just didn't know there was pain like that
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: you know i mean i've i've ripped open every part
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: of my body and And I just, this was, it's
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: from the inside and it's pulsating. And you just go,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: the other thing is you go, how much, how much
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: of my year did I just miss? You know, am
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I going to, it's like the one time I almost
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: chopped my knee. I almost cut the tendon that holds
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: your kneecap on. And I was just like, man, did
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: I just take myself out of the game for a year?
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: You know, just like, come on. And so when that happened,
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is going to be so bad.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: And meanwhile, a couple of days later, you're walking around
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: because they understood the medicine.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Local guys know.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: That was awesome.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Did you ask them how they know this stuff?
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Their father taught them and their mother taught them
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: and their grandparents know. And so that's the thing with knowledge,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: indigenous knowledge all over the world. If you listen to
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: authors like Wade Davis, who writes a lot about indigenous wisdom,
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: you know, this is stuff that's been one at a
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: time gleaned from nature. And, you know, you know better
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: than most, you know, you're living out there. Who's the
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: first person that figured out ayahuasca? If we take this
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: and this, we take this vine and then we take
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: this and we boil them together, how many trials and errors,
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: how many dead guys were there before one worked?
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Right. And what was the motivation?
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: And what was the motivation?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: They said the jungle taught them how to do it.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: They did. The prevailing thing is that science and sort
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: of like the statistics of trial and error are incomprehensible
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: given 40,000 plant species and all the different flowering and
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: orchids and trees. And so it would take millennia if
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: you did trial and error.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: And the cost of human life to any civilization would
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: make it too high. And so when they say that
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: the gods gave us ayahuasca, that's the prevailing best thing
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: we got is that it's a link between our world
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: and the spirit world that the jungle gave us.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Right. And the other thing is like how much of
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: our senses have atrophied by modern civilization? Yeah. Like what?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: What kind of communication do you actually get from the forest?
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Like is there– is it instincts, intuition? Are there senses?
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Is there a feeling that you get where you get
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: an understanding of combining two things because the jungle has
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: actually got a way of communicating with you that's a
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: nonverbal way?
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I think the jungle– I mean I view it as
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: almost a– it's godlike. It's almost like a giant complex
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: sentient being. And so if you listen to, if you watch,
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: you know, if you walk the jungle with JJ, an
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: indigenous tracker, he'll tell you, you listen to the birds,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: they'll tell you how fast you're allowed to walk. And
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: what he means is you're walking through the forest on
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: a sunny day, it's the afternoon and everybody's chirping and
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: making tons of noise. And all of a sudden everything
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: goes quiet. And then you got to figure out, you know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: is that because there's a weather system coming in and
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: we're about to be in a thunderstorm? Or is there
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: a jaguar right over there? And everything around me knows.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: And it's like the birds are the messengers of the forest.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: And so even that, you start to become attuned to
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: the frequency of the forest. And I notice when I
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: bring people in that, you know, have never been in
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: the wild before. They walk loud. They're talking the whole time.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: They're not paying attention to that sort of, you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: holistic view of where you are.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: You know, modern civilized life has made us so clunky
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the woods.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Just when I take people in the woods of people
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: who have never hunted before, you know, they're stepping on branches, snap, snap,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: kicking rocks over. You're like, dude, talking loud.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: My favorite is walking in front of you. And then
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: when the stick snaps back, like having the sensitivity to like.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: They don't catch it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: They don't catch it. Like, yeah, just get smacked in
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: the face.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks. Well, it's just a lack of awareness. You know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: it's like if you've never been, you don't understand. But,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine it's that times a million
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: in the Amazon. And then all the different things that
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: are communicating. One of the things that they found out
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: with monkeys is that monkeys have some sort of a
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: language where they can say a sound that means an
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: eagle is there. Yes. And that they will play tricks
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: on other monkeys so that they can get to fruit.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: So they will say that an eagle is there when
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: an eagle is not there. And then they'll go and
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: steal the fruit. So they will lie about an eagle
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: being there so they can get access to fruit.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Lying monkeys does not surprise me. It's African vervet monkeys
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: that I've read about that they have different calls, different
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: words for land predator, lion, eagle, and they can communicate
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: these things. So, I mean, they're speaking.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're speaking. As are crows, I'm sure.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, God, yes.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: They're super intelligent.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know how we pull this up. I
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: have it on YouTube, but there is this thing where
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: we were coming down river. It was like seven in
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: the morning. We'd been up at our, this is a
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: communication with monkeys theme as, as we're coming down river.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: It's like seven in the morning and I'm, I'm cold.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: I'm always cold. So I'm sitting on the boat and
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: I'm cold. I'm just like listening to music or something.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: And JJ is like, look, look, look. He's like, there's
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: a spider monkey in the river. And I was like,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: there's always a, you know, spider monkeys cross rivers. That's okay.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: And he's like, no, no, no. The river is high
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: right now. And there's all these whirlpools and currents. And so, yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: I jump into the river.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: To save the monkey?
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: To save the monkey. She couldn't get to the side.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: So I give her my paddle and she looks at
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: me and she goes, no. She's like, I'm scared of you.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: And then I spoke to her in spider monkey.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: What did you say?
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Like that.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: She thinks you're going to eat her.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: She thinks I'm going to eat her. But as soon
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: as I started going, look, look, look. She's looking at
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: me because I'm making the sound. And all of a
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: sudden she goes, wait, wait, wait. You speak me language.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Whoa. And then. Do it like you would do it.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: See, I'm making it right there. And she's looking at me.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: We're talking right to her. No, no, no, no, no.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: And then I'm like, look, it's okay. And they like
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: their tail to be supported.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's crazy, dude. She let you hold on to her.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: And so now she's relaxed.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, dude. You saved a monkey.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Only because I spoke her language and I learned her
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: language from some of the orphans that I've rescued.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, man.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: And then she was like, well, if you let, because
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: I could have grabbed her like, you know, like animal control,
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: like grabbed her by the neck. And I was like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: you know what? Look, she's looking at me because I
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: keep talking to her.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: And then you got her over to the shore? Yeah.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Got her over to the side.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: And she kept looking at me like, what is, what?
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: What happened when you put her down?
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: When I put her down, she ran away.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: She just ran away? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not fast.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: She didn't run away like she was in terror. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: When I first did, I went, and she looked at
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: me and she went, she looked at me and she
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: like responded. She was like, what?
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. You know? That's crazy.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: It was wild. And that's one of those stories where
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: if it wasn't on video and I said, I spoke
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: to a spider monkey and she responded, people would be like, yeah, bullshit.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I saved a spider monkey. Like, bitch, that was your pet.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That looked like a pet. That looked like you
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: had a relationship with it. Like as you're holding on
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: to the tail, like it knew you.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: When she was looking back, I mean, she was like, hey,
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: thanks for the branch. You know, I was, she, because
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: she was drowning. We saw her head go under a
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: few times. She was really struggling. She was exhausted. And
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: I know that the spider monkey, their tail is their
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: fifth limb. They have this incredible finger pad that's like
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: 12 inches long. And so it just wraps. They always
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: had their tail anchored on a branch. And so I
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: held her tail and I was like, I got you.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Now hold on to the stick. I was like explaining
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: it to her. And she's looking at me going, how
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: the hell are you?
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: That is so wild.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: It was really cool. Originally I was like, JJ, I
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: don't want to get wet. She'll be fine. He was like,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: go get it. Go catch it. I was like, okay.
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you've eaten spider monkey, haven't you? Well, sure.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean I don't want to save him.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Right. I would save a deer.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: But does it feel, it must feel really weird eating
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: a primate.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: I wish I could say it did. I don't care.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Really? No.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've become very callous to certain things. But
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, when people serve turtle now, I'm like, well,
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: which one is it? You know, it's like, I don't.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: I don't really, you know, it's like ribeye or T-bone.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Like what are we eating?
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Is turtle good? Like would you like order it at
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: a restaurant? All right.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: So the problem is that the way they cook it
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: down there, these are people that live hand to mouth, right?
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: And so when they cook a turtle, if you get salt,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: you're lucky. It's not like they're sprinkling some cilantro on
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: it and like marinating it. It's, you know, so if
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: you just like took a chicken and threw it on
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: a fire and then like ate a piece of it,
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: it's not great. And so a lot of times that
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: you eat this food way out there in the bush,
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've been there where they've shot a spider monkey,
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: grilled it up, and I've been like, you know, I'll
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: just eat rice. And I'm like, I'm going to be
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: tired tomorrow. I haven't had protein in a week. And
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I'm like, give me an arm, you know. You just
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: like eat the hand. And I'm like, all right. And
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: it just tastes awful. It just tastes like charred.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: My friend Steve Rinella, he was in the Amazon with
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the Yanomami.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: And he said that that's their preferred food, that they
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: like that above everything.
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I see no conflict between, you know, we're
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: trying to protect the ecosystem and save the monkeys, and
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: I love the monkeys, and I've rescued a lot of
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: them personally. But, again, when you're in Rome, you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: if you don't eat with them, they go, that gringo,
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: you know, they think that they're... Yeah. Whereas they're like, oh,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: you're one of us.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Right, you have to.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: You know, you show them you know how.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: You know, little things or.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Must be chewy as fuck, right?
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: It's kind of smooth. It's kind of like, if it's well-cooked,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: it's kind of like mutton.
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  Speaker 1: It's gamey. So you have to slow cook it, long
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: cook it? Is that what it is?
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: Ideally, yes. But a lot of times it's just they
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: tie it to a cross like it's little monkey Jesus
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: and they throw it on the fire.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When I saw them cook it, they singed the outside.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: They singed all the hair off and then they cooked it.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I think they cooked it inside banana. See if you
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: can find Steve Rinella eats a monkey. I think they–
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: And then they boiled some of it in like a soup.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: I don't enjoy boiled meat. I'm never excited by boiled meat.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: But stew, right?
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: Beef barley stew is good.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you sear it first and then you,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of a boil.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: If you sear it first, right? Because like just boiled
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: chicken to me, just like think of.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: White, like.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Just eating it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so here he's just eating chunks of it.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, see, like they're like having a really good time.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, initially he was like, I'm not doing that. And
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: then once they started doing it, he was like, okay.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: He said it tasted like smoked turkey.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: My boy Giannis. Yeah. It's interesting because if you live there,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: like my friend David Cho, he was in Africa and
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: he hunted with the Hadza. And they eat baboons. And
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: he said one of the craziest things is when you
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: hit the baboon with an arrow, they grab it. Like
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: a person.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Like if a person gets shot with an arrow and
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: he's like, dude, it's fucked.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: Yikes.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's what they eat. They don't have a
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: lot of food and, you know, it's like you were
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: saying also, they don't have a sense of wildlife conservation.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: It's not like, hey, we have an accurate assessment of
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: how many baboons are here or how many deer are
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: here or duikers or whatever the animal is that they're hunting.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: They just eat whatever they can and sometimes they eat
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: them almost to extinction and then they have to move
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: on to baboons. And baboons were like the only thing
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: that was left. And there's also like other people have
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: encroached in settlements and, you know.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: That's the way my guys– because we have a lot
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: of wildlife in our region and people from other regions
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: will come as loggers and they'll go, oh my god,
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: my dad told me that it used to be like
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: this where we were. And now we have people from
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: other watersheds in the Amazon like 150 miles away coming
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: to us and they're going, can you guys bring jungle
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: keepers over? And they don't understand. We're killing ourselves just
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: to protect this river. And they're going, can you do
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: this where we are? They're like, we have no more food.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: because they don't have any regulation on this. And so
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: what we're doing with the tribes in our area is
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: just teaching this basic thing of like, you know, don't hunt,
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: you know, at these times of year when they're having
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: their babies.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: Don't overhunt. Monitor how many monkeys you're bringing into the village.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: And so we're trying to develop this with them where
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: if you're going to keep eating monkeys, do it in
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: a way that they keep being monkeys.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Especially once they've gotten firearms.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: Especially once they've gotten firearms. One of the older guys
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: said to me, he goes, man, it's so sad. He goes,
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: we grew up. He goes, you could just pull fish
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: out of the river and there was monkeys in the
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: trees and there was turtles. He goes, you could eat
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: whatever you wanted out of the forest. He goes, now,
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: he goes, we're eating sparrows. And he was like, we've just,
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: we've eaten everything down to the smallest birds. He was like,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: it's just destroyed. And it was where he is, is
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: like something was like Cormac McCarthy's nightmare. If Cormac McCarthy
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: was still alive, I would show him the, the, the,
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: I went to a part of the Amazon that, that
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: really no one goes to up this horrible river. And,
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: and the, they were recently contacted by, uncontacted people, just
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: this tribe that had just come out of the forest.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: They still had their bows. And they had no idea.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: Me and JJ went for like a three-week expedition, plane
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: to plane to plane to three days on a boat
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: to two days on a boat to finally reaching this
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: last settlement. And the missionaries had pulled this tribe out
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: of the forest. They'd tricked them. They said, just come
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: with us for a ride. They pulled them out. But
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: then they said, well, if you want to go back,
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: you got to pay for your gasoline. And the tribe
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: was like, how do we pay with what? And they
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: were like, money. And the tribe was like, what's that?
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: And where do we get it? And so these little
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: people were standing, these were not tall people like the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: Mashko Piro. These were little tiny people and they were
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: standing there with their bows. And so we showed up
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: with our tents and our gear and we were trying
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: to go up this river in our boat. And these
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: little people came up to us and they were like,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: they're making the gesture for food. And so there's some
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: loggers over there. And so JJ just didn't think. And
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: he was like, you want some food? You got to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: go pay for it. He was like, money. And, you know,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: he's through a guy, he was translating and these people
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: are going, but we don't have any money. And JJ
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: took some coins out of his pocket and was like,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: just go buy some bread. And he gave him some
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: coins and they went and they tried it and they
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: got some bread. And then all of a sudden there
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: was 50 of them coming at us and they were
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: surrounding JJ and they were grabbing at him and they
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: were like, he's the guy with these tokens that allow
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: us to eat. And we had to get out of
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: there because it was causing a problem. But I mean,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: these people think they're with their bows and arrows and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: there's no more animals to hunt. And no one's going
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: to give them money. And they live at the edge
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: of the world.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: And they're probably tiny because they don't have any protein.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: It was horrifying. It was one of the worst things
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: I've ever... I've seen poverty all over the world. This was, again.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: A hunter-gatherer tribe with no food.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: With no food and no way of getting back to
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: forest where they could be a hunter-gatherer tribe. Now they
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: were in this wasteland where the loggers and the gold
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: miners and the oil companies... There was even a barge
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: with oil and it was like, this is where the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: Amazon is being eaten. And it was out of sight.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: You have to go for days just to get there.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: There's no foreigners there. Actually, they did say, we were
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: talking to one logger and he said, it was, you know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: a few years ago, he goes, there was a, we
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: saw some rafts coming down river and then they stopped
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: at this beach up river and they made camp. And
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: he's like, so we all talked about it. And we said, well,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: we have a feeling they're organ harvesters.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: They were scared of these incomers, right?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Did organ harvesters visit the Amazon?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: No. But that's what they were. They're sitting around the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: campfire and someone was like, what if they're organ harvesters?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Why would they think that?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: That must be a thing that gets, I don't know.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: But the dude I was sitting with told me, he goes,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: you know, we got real scared sitting around the campfire.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: Everyone was telling these stories. And he's like, so we
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: figured the safest thing would be to go kill them.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: So they went and they killed them. And they were
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: a couple of European hikers on a mega expedition in
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: the Amazon. And they just got murdered by the locals
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: preemptively in case they were dangerous. Oh, God. And this
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: dude was like, yeah, we fucked up.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: And I'm talking to him. I was like, so who
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: did the– Killing. Was it– I was like, shit, man. But,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, this place was dark. The next book I write,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have to do a deep dive into
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: this one because it was just– It was heavy. And
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: we also, we knew, for the first time, you know,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: when you're in the jungle, we're like, we're safe. This place,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: it was like people are looking at you and they're like,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: that's a jacket and a watch, you know, like a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: camera and a tent and a pack raft. They're like,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: if we killed him, we'd get all kinds of stuff.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: They're looking at you like, man, that's a lot of opportunity.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: You could just see them being like, well, let's separate
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: him from the herd.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was rough.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: It's like, you think like the cowboy days, like when
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: it was really wild, like Blood Meridian. Yeah.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but there's probably a ton of
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: stories about people that have come down and done horrible things.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: So it's not like you're thinking, like, these are wonderful
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: people that come to give us plantains. No. No, you're
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: thinking these are the type of people that would do
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: horrible things to us.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: So we have an opportunity to get something from them.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: And pure desperation.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Pure desperation. And so, like, the communities that I've worked
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: with in my region of the Amazon– They're all, you know,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: I've showed up on a pack raft and been like, hey.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: And they're like, where did you come from? And I'm like,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: I'm just this foreigner who does work here. And I
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: talk to them and they're like, oh, camp here, you'll
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: be safe. They're really nice. They're caring. They're families. This
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: place that we were at was this outpost and it
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: was all extractors. It was all gold miners, petroleum people, loggers.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: And it was like all the men who were in
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: the dark, the black market people were all in the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: same place. So there was like a brothel. There was
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: these displaced natives and then there was like this one
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: really scary missionary. This man looked insane. He had crazy
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: eyes and he wouldn't come anywhere near us.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: From where?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: Where is he from? I couldn't tell where he was from,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: but he was dressed in the robes. It was like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: the mission, except he was evil. Like you could tell
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: he looked at us and just vanished. And he had
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: this little settlement that he had cleared and he was
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: bringing his children in and pulling them out of the forest.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Was he a white guy?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: He looked like a white guy. But it was hard
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: to tell. He looked like Rasputin.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: And these poor people are sitting there and you could
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: see them. They were all breastfeeding their babies and trying
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: to eat rats. We stayed there for one night and
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: we didn't sleep. We slept back to back. We were
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: just in our tent, just awake all night. And then
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: the next day we got in the boat and we
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: kept going further upriver. And we finally made it past
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: the edge of human civilization into just uncharted jungle. But
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: it was really dark. And so at least where we are,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: it's like we're working with these tribes to make their
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: lives better, to educate them. And there's this feeling, there's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: this good feeling. We have Jungle Keeper shirts. I mean,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: now we're on the river and we see Jungle Keeper's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: boats going by. We had gold miners just a few
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: weeks ago. We had gold miners. Everyone, the whole team
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: was calling each other. We sent our ranger team out there.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: We brought the police. They arrested the gold miners. They
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: brought them to town. They offered them jobs. And they said,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: you just can't be doing that here. And so they
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: only cleared like half an acre of forest. And then
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: we got them. So they didn't destroy anything. And so
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: that's how we're keeping the rivers safe.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: But someone hired them to mine gold, right?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: So that's the thing.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: No one hires them. They get it in their head.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: They go, hey, to their cousin, they'll go, why don't
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: we go make some money? Let's go up there and
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: see if there's gold. And they'll launch a little expedition.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: They'll bring like a 16-horsepower motor. and go for three
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: days and they'll, they'll sneak past us on, I mean,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: now the government's getting involved because we've been having the success.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: We're going to get a park guard station on our river.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: So we're not going to have this problem, but they'll
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: go up the river and they'll just set up and they'll,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: you know, they'll start panning and they'll go, I see
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: a little flake here. And they're like, cool, let's burn
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: some forest. And then we'll start sucking it up. We'll
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: run it through the big motor and they, they'll bring
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: their wives and their kids. And it's artisanal. They're very,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: and so what they do is they get the gold
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: and then they have to take it in their little
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: boat back to the town. And here's the problem. There's
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: one store where you go to sell the gold. And
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: guess who's waiting outside that store? The people that rob
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: you at gunpoint and take your gold and then give
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: it to the actual people. And so it's really sad
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: artisanal gold mining. They're not organized. And it's the same
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: with the narcos. We've been having a problem with narcos.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: And everyone's like, dude, you can't mess with the narcos. Like,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: you're going to lose the fight. And it's like, yeah,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: but these are people that are like, we're just going
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: to grow a little bit.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: What are they growing?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: Coca. I mean, we busted, we helped the police bust a,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: we saw a clearing on deep, deep, deep, deep, way
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: up river, days up river. There was a clearing out
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: in the jungle. And so we sent our rangers. The
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: rangers came back and were like, we can't deal with this.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: There's something scary going on up there. And so we
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: told the police and the police were like, yeah, we'll
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: try and get up there. Now, at the same time,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: I'm with JJ one day and we always do the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: same thing. When there's, there was a, there was a
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: bad patch of deforestation along the river. We said, how
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: the hell did this happen? They did it so quick.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: And so I put up the drone and I flew
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: it over. And I'm still going, who are these people?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: Are they loggers? We're just trying to get a sense
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: of what's going on. Fly the drone down. And usually
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: when we see loggers, they'll run into these little palm
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: thatched huts. They'll run into them to hide from the drone.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: They know what a drone is.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Well, these people came running out and they had guns.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: And we had already on the river, we had passed
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: their settlement and flown the drone back. their boat came
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: out after us and we started going. And I was like, JJ,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: you could just talk to them like normal. And he
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: looked at me and he went, not this time. And
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: we had a, we had a 60 horsepower and they
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: had a 40 and we were just blazing ahead of them.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: And I had the drone in the air. And so
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: it was $ 5, 000 drone. And so I'm driving the drone.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: And I was like, can we, can we like, I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: got to get this drone. And they're like, we, JJ
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: looked at me. He's like, we're not stopping.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: And I, it dawned on me. That was like, we're, we're,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: if we get caught, we're getting killed. Oh, man. Are
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: you armed?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: At this point, nobody on the boat had a gun.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: And so we arrived at a place where the police
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: were camped out, where they had been dispatched to go
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: check out that other site. And so we arrived, and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: the police force that we work with was there. And
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: we pulled up, and we're like, yo, we got bad
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: guys coming in. And they masked up, loaded up. They
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: got on our boat. We turned around. And as soon
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: as they saw us coming back at them, they left.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: And then days later, they went to that same police
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: force and assassinated one of the guys.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: So the narcos are different. The narcos are scary. And
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: that clearing that we originally found, they were actually predated
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: sacks of white powder. The Peruvian military went in and
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: actually raided that camp, arrested everybody. It was so big
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: that the American DEA knew about it. They were notified.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: And so this is now what's happening on this river
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: where it's because it's the last wilderness, they're coming. And
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: so we're relying on the Peruvian authorities to stop this
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: from happening so that we can create this park before
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: it's too late because they're also blazing roads. They're bringing
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: in loggers. They're smart. They bring people and they'll send
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: the loggers ahead of them. And then when the loggers
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: clear the land, they'll just start growing coca. And so
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: it's gotten scary. I texted you when it was at its...
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: When I first started having to travel with security, I
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: remember texting you because I was like, this is a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: different game. It used to be like we're counting the
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: butterflies and we're... Yeah.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: You wanted to learn where to train.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: Because it's scary walking around. Well, the thing is the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: police intercepted off to one of the people that they
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: arrested on the phone. It said, if you see JJ...
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: Or that shithead gringo that flies the drone. They said,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: if you kill them, we'll reward you.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: So they found this message on WhatsApp. They showed it
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: to us. And they were like, you guys have a
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: hit on you. And then a few days later, JJ
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: was supposed to get in the car at the side.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: You take the boat downriver to the car. And he
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: was supposed to get in the car and go back
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: to the town. He actually came downriver in the boat.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: And then went, I forgot that I wanted to finish
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: up something at the station. Take me back. He went
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: back to the station. So our driver, Percy, started driving
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: back along this little dirt logging road by himself. And
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: they had trees across the road. Masked guys with guns.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: They put the guns in the windows. They pulled him out.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: And our windows are tinted. And they said, take JJ
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: and Paul out. They were going to do it.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: And so it just so happened that JJ wasn't in
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: the car.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: Just by pure luck. He was not in the car
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: that day. And they roughed up our driver. They took
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: his driver's license. They took his cell phone. And they
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: just said, just let them know. We missed him today,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: but we'll get him soon.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: And so we went, of course, we went to the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: police and we're like, look, we're going to need a
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: lot more protection. They're like, it's getting, I mean, we're
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: just trying to save the rainforest, man. Like we're not
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: trying to. And these people are going, well, we're just
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: trying to grow drugs. And we want to do that
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: where there's no police. And the wilderness is becoming a
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: finite thing now. So it's becoming this battleground. Jamie, on
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: there is a map. I'm wondering if you could pull
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: up the map because I could explain to you.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: What's the status of this right now? Are they still
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: after you guys?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: They are still after us, but it's been for about
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: eight months it was really bad. It was really scary.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: It was horrible. Like every day, anytime JJ called me,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: I'd have a panic attack. But you see the yellow
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: on the right is the Trans-Amazon Highway.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: That's the big artery.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: That's what the Chinese and Brazil built. But then that
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: smaller thing going up, that's the roads that the loggers
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: and the narcos are making. So that big red arrow,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: they're trying to make a road that goes in through there.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: And so the white line outlines what we're trying to protect.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: And that light greenish blue is the area that we
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: have protected. That's that 130,000 acres that we have protected.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: And so that's what we're doing right now. It's a
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: race against time. If we can fill in that area,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: if we can fill that whole thing in, we save
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: the land. And once it's ours, once it's under jungle
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: keepers protection, it's indigenous protected.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: All right, we're back.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: So where are they growing the drugs in this map?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: So right at the upper tip of that arrow, sort
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: of the outside, they had cut a little road filament
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: into there. And again, these little tiny trail roads, they
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: go under the forest. The forest is 160 feet tall.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Is there a way you can communicate with these guys
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: saying you're not trying to stop this?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: I mean right now what we're doing is putting signs
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: on all of these little tiny– I mean these are
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: jungle roads where just to go on the road, you're
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: going out to where– if anybody finds you out there,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: they'll just kill you. And your body will be decomposed
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: and recycled within 48 hours by the jungle. So you're
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: past where there's police. This is just earth.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: It's the Wild West. more than the wild west right
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: because the wild west was never this dense.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: Well it's the wild west and you can't see 10
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: feet in front of you.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Right that's what i'm talking about like this is more
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: wild than the wild west.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: I guess so yeah you still have you have you
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: have indians with arrows and now you have these narcos
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: that are that are straight up evil that are coming
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: i mean they're taking girls from indigenous communities to work
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: in their brothels they're growing cocaine up there you got
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: men working out in the jungle And so they go
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: to the communities and they tell them, hey, your daughter
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: is very pretty. She'd be a great waitress. You know,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: we can educate her while she trains and helps people.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: And they never see him again. And so it's all
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: that darkness. And at the same time, what we're doing
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: is bettering the lives of the community, making friends with
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: these people. We have these amazing rangers. And I mean,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: we have different ranger stations along the river. And if
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: we make this into a park, like... Teddy Roosevelt, no,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: John Muir took Teddy Roosevelt on a three-day camping trip
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: and showed him Yosemite and like Sequoia and all this stuff.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: And he was like, we got to protect this. Like
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: it's special here. Look at the size of these trees.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: Look at the beauty of this valley. And then they
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: protected it. There's nothing as wild as this river on
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: earth today. And so if we protect this now, the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: 200 indigenous people that live on this river get protected
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: from the narcos. They continue having abundant fish and resources.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: And then they'll work as park guards and educators and
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: chefs and boat drivers to maintain this gigantic protected area.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: And then Peru will have this crown jewel of the Amazon.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: So they love it.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: But how can you protect them from the narcos? I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: mean it seems like the amount of money that's involved
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: in trafficking cocaine would make it a real problem.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: But the good thing is that these are the little
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: artisanal ones. These are the guys that go– these are
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: not like mafia bosses. This isn't like the Mexican cartel.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: These are like these little clans of people that go,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: you know what? We could just grow some cocaine and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: then we'll sell it to the big guys. And so
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: they're just– they're like mom and pop cocaine growers.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: But they're also murderers.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: Well, of course. And so when the cops go out there,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: the cops just arrest them and take them straight to jail.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: And so the cops have been– everyone assumes that Latin
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: American police, no matter what, are going to be corrupt.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: And like the police force we've been working with has
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: been keeping us alive and they want this park protected
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: as much as the indigenous people do. It's amazing how
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: many good people are out there. They're actually helping.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: And how many narco organizations, artisanal narco organizations are out there?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: Peru has become– it's, it's, it's not great. Peru, I
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: think has become, if not on the same level as Columbia,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: I think they might've surpassed Columbia in terms of cocaine production. They're,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: they're not doing great with that right now. And so
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: we're at this very, very, uh, crucial juncture there. But,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: you know, it's funny because in, in doing all this,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: you know, with, even with the book coming out and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: I've been talking to people and people go, well, you
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: have narcos now. They're like, so you're going to fail.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: And it's like, man, you're not even the one on
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: the ground. Like I'm the one on the ground. I'm
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: telling you, we're not going to fail. And the police
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: have been successful at clearing them out and it's getting better.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: Just like the whole thing with, yeah, the Amazon's disappearing,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: but we can still stop it. It's like, you got it.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: You think like before D-Day, if Churchill was like, I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: will probably lose. Like you can't have that mentality. And
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: so it's very, very encouraging seeing the, the, uh, the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: local people stand up for what they believe in. And
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: the job is dangerous. There's a, There's a video on
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: there that I think it says Sandra Tree Crush. But
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: we– I got woke up a few weeks ago and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: one of my managers came running at like 3 a.m.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: I see a flashlight coming through the jungle. And so
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking the worst. And then he comes. He's going, Paul.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: He goes, a tree– and I told you the last
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: time I was on here. I said the most dangerous
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: thing in the rainforest is the trees falling. He said
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: a tree fell on the ranger stations. And it's raining
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: and I'm talking about rain. You know when you're at
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: the airport and you hear that sound where it's like
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: there's no sound louder. Your ears can't handle it. It
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: was raining so loud. And he's screaming into my ear
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: that this tree fell on the ranger station. He goes,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: and one of the rangers was crushed. And I'm going,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: but dead or alive? And he goes, we don't know yet.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: And so it's 3 a.m. and we get in this
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: boat and we're going upriver and there's lightning flashing and
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: there's rain falling. And I'm looking. With the flashlight and
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: I'm navigating by the crocodile eyes because we don't know
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: where the edges of the river are because the eyes shine.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: And so we have footage of this and we arrive
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: at the ranger station and sure enough, this tree had fallen,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: crushed the roof, all the beams and all the scaffolding
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: under the roof and fallen on this woman's face while
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: she was in bed. And so she was crushed under
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: this and she couldn't even scream because it was raining
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: so loud. And so we get there and I stick
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: my hand into the rubble. And I hold her hand
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, are you okay? And she was like, hey, Paul.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: She's like, I have no idea. And she was amazingly
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: like buoyant. She was like, I have no idea if
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: I'm okay. She's like, but I'm alive. I was like,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: we're going to get you out of here. And we
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: started chainsawing, I mean, like 16 feet of tree debris
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: over her and all this gnarled roof material. And we
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: had to pull her out of there and she had
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: a scratch on her ankle.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: We got this great video of her sitting in a
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: hammock at like 6 a.m. And she's smoking a cigarette.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: She's like, I'm alive. She's going, I'm alive. And she
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: didn't quit. She's still a ranger. And it's like she's
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: out there right now driving up and down because she
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: wants that forest protected for her kids. And it's like
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: these people care.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: It sounds like the adventure of this is very addictive
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: to you. This is what I'm getting. I think you
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: love it. I think you love the forest. I think
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: you love protecting it. But I think there's something about
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: the danger of it and the chaos and the wildness
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: of it all that seems to me– I'm looking in
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: your eyes. You're smiling because you know I'm right.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny that.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: That's– when I was a kid, I remember sitting in
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: school and being like, why did– Like you read about
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: like Roosevelt and Jane Goodall and like these people had
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: these amazingly adventurous lives. And I was sitting in school
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: getting detention after detention and getting yelled at and being like,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: can I go to the bathroom? And I was like,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: why do they get to do that? And I have
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: to do this. And everyone around me was like, when
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: you get a job, then you're really going to love
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: your desk. One of my friend's moms said that to me.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: She goes, you think you hate your school desk? She goes,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: wait till you get your real desk. And I was like, oh, man.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: And so, yeah, riding on the boat at 4 a.m.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: with the lightning is incredible. Showering in the river.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Navigating by crocodile eyes.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man. I mean, with the wind in your hair
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: and the– I mean, you know the magic of the mountains.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: And the jungle has its own vibe. You watch that
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: mist snarling up off the canopy and it's like– it's
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: so wild that you just– you feel better. You feel healthier.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: And again, that whole thing of– what's that thing they say?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: Like a sacrament is an outward sign of an inward grace.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: And it's like the, the beauty of that, you know,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: you drink from the river and then you sweat it
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: out and you watch your sweat join the steam and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: rain back down onto the jungle. You are connected to
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: your environment and every single day, you don't know what's
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: going to happen. You know, I, I opened, there was
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: one day where I was like, okay, I'm going to
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: stay on the station. I'm not going to do anything.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: I've been hammering myself in the swamps for, for a week.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I'm just going to drink coffee
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: and do office work on my computer. And so I
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: was at the station. And my team comes running.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: And they're like, anaconda. And I was like, where? I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: was actually annoyed. I was like, where?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: How big of an anaconda? And they're like, no, it's
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: a pretty big anaconda. So we go down to the thing.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: And sure enough, there's a big-ass anaconda on a log.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: Like 11 feet. Not a monster. But so then I
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: started doing this thing where I was like, because they
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: were all like, be careful. And I was like, of what?
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: And they're like, it could bite you.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: And I was like, it's asleep. I was like, she's
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: just trying to get the sun. So when I started,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: I took out my phone, I started doing this thing.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: I was like, people are scared of snakes. And I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: was like, I was like, if you're scared of snakes,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: I was like, there's an 11 foot Anaconda. I was like,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: do I appear to be in danger yet? And then
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: I kept getting closer and I was like, how about now?
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: How about now? And then I was like, she's not
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: waking up. So I get on the log with her
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: and the Anaconda still doesn't get up. And so I, I,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: I turned around and her coil is here and her
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: head's like, you know, 10 feet over there. And I
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: just put my head honor. And now I'm laying on
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: the snake and I'm still taking a video and I'm going, see,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: this snake doesn't care that I'm here. And even if
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: she wakes up, you know what she's going to do?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: She's going to jump in the water. She's not going
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: to bite me. And she never woke up. And I figured,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: you know what? Why bother her?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: She never woke up when you rested. She woke up.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: She, she, she, she moved her tongue, but she never,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: she never freaked out.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Well, they're the King.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: It sounds like they don't really have any natural predators, right?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Do they?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: When they're small. Crocodiles, right? The crocodiles, the herons, the piranha. Oh, right.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: You forget that pelicans and herons can eat a baby alligator.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: They'll just throw it back.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: Just take it down their throat.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Herons are crazy.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: Herons are amazing hunters. Pelicans are disgusting. They'll take a
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: whole bullfrog and just glut it down so you know
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: that thing's alive in their chest.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: I've seen videos of them doing it to pigeons. Or seagulls?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: Yes, the one where he swallows the seagull. The seagull's
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: getting smaller as it goes down.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: You realize that crazy mouth that they have is just
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: so they can swallow things alive. I mean, this weird-looking,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: funky thing. You're like, oh, that's a monster. That's a
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: monster that just swallows things alive.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't think of birds as savage as they are.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: What are you laughing at, Jamie? Pictures of pelicans trying
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: to eat shit on the screen.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to eat a dog.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. Oh, come on. Marshall. Marshall, look out. Trying
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: to get a cat.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: He's trying to get a cat.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Yeah, they basically can eat almost anything
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: that's near their size. Good Lord.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: That one just fly out.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: It's too late. Oh, man. Yeah, they're monsters. He's trying
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: to eat another.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: God, that's, I call bullshit on that one. There's no
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: way his pelican was trying to eat a bear. I
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: believe that, though. I've seen that video. What are those
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: things called again? Those are baby capybaras.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Capybaras, right. Those are– they've– are those the things that
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: have made their way into– no. It's a different animal
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: that's made their way into like Louisiana and they have
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: to go out and shoot them.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: Javelinas.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no. It's a type of
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: large rodent because David Tell used to have a TV
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: show called Insomniac. And he went out at night one
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: time with them in Louisiana and they're hunting these things
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: that they're an invasive rodent, a giant rodent. And it
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: was like Dave would do his shows and then after–
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: it was a Comedy Central show. It was a really
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: good show. And then he would find things to do
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: in the town because he can't sleep because he's up
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: all night. And so he went out with these people
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: that were– God, I can't remember what the animal was.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: But it's a large invasive rodent that exists in the south.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: I mean– Nutria. That's right.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: Jeez.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: And people eat them.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, the rodent. I mean, capybaras.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: See if you can find that video because it's kind
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: of crazy.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: Nutria.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Because they're out there hunting them with 22s.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: With 22s?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, they have to. They're a completely invasive species
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: and they're huge. They're like a small dog.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: That's something I left off the list. We eat those
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: all the time.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Nutrias?
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: We have something called a paca. It's like a small
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: capybara with spots. And those, I mean- You know, it's
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: like squirrels, but they're big. They're like, you know, cat
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: sized and fat. People eat them all the time. Those
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: are delicious.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing to eat in the jungle? Piranha. Piranha?
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. Really?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: Oh my God, they're delicious. And when you fry a piranha,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: you know, you slit, you know, make the slits along it.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: You just fry the whole thing. You just pull it
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: right off of its skeleton. And the fins become like chips,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: like little salty chips. Oh, they're so good.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: You just put salt on it and fry it?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: Just a little bit of salt and then fry it up.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: And then better than the piranha is the paco, the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: big vegetarian.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: And the piranha species, yeah. Those are invasive species in
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: America as well.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: People catch them all the time. Oh, they're so good. Yeah,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: they catch them when they're like 40 pounds.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: They're huge.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone caught a world record paco.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: Powerful, really powerful.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Paco, P-A-C-O, right? Yeah, yeah. I want to say in Georgia,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Georgia or Florida, somewhere in there, and fucking huge.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, they're powerful. We fish for them. You have
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: like a 10-foot pole with a rope on it.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a paku. Yeah, look at the size of
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: that thing, man. That's crazy. 50 pounds. World record size
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: paku caught in Florida. There it is. 50 pounds. That's nuts.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: Dude, those are so nutritious. When you eat them, you
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: feel like you're just gaining muscle.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You still eat a lot of elk.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: Don't you feel like it's like a superfood?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: This is how I feel.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: I live on these things.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's wild.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: I feel like I just.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: You live on piranha. Yeah. Piranha and paku. Yeah.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: How do you catch the paku?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: Ten foot pole. You have a piece of rope and
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: you put like a piece of like last night's dinner.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: You tie a bunch of rancid chicken. You leave it
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: out in the sun. Make it smell bad. You go
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: out at six in the morning.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: So they're not vegetarians.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: Well, they'll eat anything. They specialize on the nuts. That's
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: why they have the human teeth.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: Those are the ones that have the human teeth.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: When you open their mouth, they have like molars and
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: then like a few like front teeth.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: And so we go with this 10-foot pole. Nobody can
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: make a sound on the boat. You're just floating with
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: the river. You're like invisible. And you wait for a
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: feature in the river, like a rock or a place
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: where the water is rushing. And you smack it against
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: it because they like that falling fruit or falling seeds.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: And when they hit– I'm talking about like a four-inch hook.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: When they hit that hook, this is the thing because
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: you're doing this for– you're doing it for an hour.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: And you're like, all right, there's no Paco in here. Well,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: guess what? When they do hit it, they'll pull you
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: right out of the boat. And I've been dragged straight
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: across the boat where like you got to use one
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: hand to stop yourself and the other hand is holding
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: this pole. And then your friend has got to pull
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: you back. You get this fish on the thing and
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: it's going boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: How big are they that you're catching? You saw.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: They're big.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: You're catching them that big? Yeah.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: They're huge. And then you got to have a hammer
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: because you got to shut them off somehow.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: You got to crack them right on between the eyes
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: because otherwise they'll just either jump out of the boat
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: or injure someone.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Or destroy everything.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: That was the other thing. We were going upriver a
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: few months ago. We're at night. We're all just quiet
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: in the boat. And we're going to go up to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: this tributary to explore it. And I had a group
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: of tourists with me. And this girl was sitting on
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: the front. And all of a sudden, I feel something
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: go past me. There's something. And all of a sudden,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: I got wet. And all of a sudden, I hear bang, bang, bang, bang, bang,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: bang in the boat. What the fuck is going on?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: Turn on my headlamp. And there's a Paco in the boat.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: And the girl that was sitting on the front, her
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: head is bleeding. One of those huge-ass Pacos jumped out
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: of the river in the night. hit this girl in
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: the head and then fell into the boat.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: And so we just grabbed, yeah, we just ate it.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: But I mean, that Paco was in the middle of
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: the Amazon. at night, just jumping around, enjoying itself. And
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: it just jumped in the wrong boat.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Two foot fish flying through the air.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: And that's your favorite, that's your favorite thing to eat.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: What else is really good to eat?
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: There's these little cup mushrooms that are really good. You
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: fry them up with garlic. You do that in Paco. That's, that's,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: now you're talking good. My friend Roy is a chef. He's,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: he's really a, he's one of the jungle. He's the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: president of jungle keepers right now. He's a local guy
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: and he's, he focuses on Amazonian cuisine. And so he
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: goes and he picks all the right flowers and funguses
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: and he'll take Paco and then he'll, he'll flavor it
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: with a type of orchid thing. And like all of
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: a sudden you have this amazing food and like Lima,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: they have, you know, Peru's become this amazing place for food.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: Peru is great food.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: He does the jungle version.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: So it's not like nasty monkey soup.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: It's, Not turtle.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: It's the curated five-star version of Jungle Cuisine.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: So that's number one?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: Paco's number one, 100%. Even right now? I think I
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: tried alligator ones, but it didn't leave an impression on me.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: I haven't really. Also, I feel like they're my friends.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: How so?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: I like them.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Just because they're cool?
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I work with them a lot. I'm
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: always catching came and I always see them on the
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: side of the river. You know, nobody's serving me. If
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: they were serving me Cayman, then it would be just
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: like the monkey where it's like, all right, I got
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: to eat it. But nobody's serving me Cayman. So I'm
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: not going to go.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: So that's not a staple of their diet.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: No. In the north, in Iquitos, they eat a lot
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: more Cayman. So you don't see Cayman. On our river,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: there's still, there's a Cayman on every beach. There's, there's
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: Jabiru storks. There's kukoi herons. There's just macaws everywhere. It's just,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: there's just so much life. It's avatar. It's just, just
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: pulsing life.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: It's incredible.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: Did you find that video of Dave Attell?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: It weirdly is, like, not online. I found a picture of.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: The episode, but not a video of it. Yeah. And
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: they're just.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Shooting Nutria. Yeah. I think they eat them, too. But
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: I can't find it.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And he was actually on the episode. Yeah.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a long time ago. This
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: is back when Dave was drinking. So this is, like,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Dave's been sober for.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: I want to say 15 years at least, somewhere in
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: that range. Yeah. And this is back when, you know,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: he would just drink at the comedy club and then
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: stay up all night, smoke cigarettes, drink coffee. Never end. Yeah.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's the most unhealthy and also the most
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: hilarious guy alive.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: You've stopped drinking, right?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: I drink a little every now and then now. I
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: went like eight months with no drinking and I started
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: having like a glass of wine with dinner.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: And a cocktail or two. But I have not had
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: more than like two drinks in a night.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: Feels good, doesn't it?
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: It was a good break.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: The eight months, I felt really good. And I was
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: convinced I was never going to drink again. And then
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I drank a glass of wine. I was like, ooh,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: I like this. I miss this.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: That's the one thing.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: The wine is good. Wine with a steak? Ooh.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: Red wine.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: So nice. Yeah. I think it was important to just
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: recognize that I was doing it. And I wasn't an alcoholic.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: I was just– I have a club.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: I'm there all the time. And, you know, you're out
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: with friends. You want a drink? Yeah, sure. Let's have
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: a drink. Yeah. Go to dinner, have a drink, have
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: another drink. It just got to a point where I
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: was like, I was feeling like, and I'm too healthy.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: I work out all the time. And I was like,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: why am I doing this to myself?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: You know, but now I realize, you know, it's a
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: little moderation.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: It's not bad.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: But drinking is essentially fun poison.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: Fun poison. It's weird. After Lex ruined drinking for me.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: Lex gets saucy.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: Well, this is the thing. When he came to the Amazon,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: he goes, I want to do ayahuasca. And so we called,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: you know, JJ's oldest brother is 70-something. We called this
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: shaman in. And he's like, you know, with the Lex voice,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: he's like, brother, you have to do this with me.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I am not drinking ayahuasca. There's
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: a chapter in the book about when I did it
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: with the old master and he overboiled it and we
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: all like, saw God in the unit. We were there
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: for the big bang. It was awful. It was hard.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: No, it was not. No, no.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: It was like taking a mega dose. It was like, sure.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: It was awful.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: It was traumatic.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: You don't like to get scared. I was terrified, man.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: No. So I was like, I have retired. I was like,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing it. And Lex was walking around in
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: circles for two hours and he comes up to me
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: and he puts his hand on my shoulder and he goes,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: I came all the way here for you. He goes,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: now you do this for me. He goes, don't leave
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: me alone in the dark. And I went, I said,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: all right, I'll do it. And we drank right next
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: to each other. And the guy is smoking his pipe and,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: you know, he has the feathers on and he's singing
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: to us. And you're drinking and you're going deeper and
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: deeper into the hole.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: And, God.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: It was interesting, though. We both, the shaman said that,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: you know, he was talking about what Lex was going afterwards.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: He was talking about what Lex was going through on
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: his journey. And he goes in and does this deep
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: work of the things he sees coming off of you.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: And this is a guy, the shaman I've known for
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: 20 years. He's like my uncle. And, and so he
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: would come up to me and he'd go, I'd be
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: laying down. You can't, you can't get up. And he'd
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: come up to me and he'd go one more cup.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: And I'd be like, sure. Like, why not? And he'd like,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: give me like a, like a kiss on the forehead
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: and throw it down my throat. And then he'd go
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: to Lex and go one more cup. And Lex would
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: be like, yes. And then, you know, give it to Lex.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: And he said that, he said that he wasn't worried
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: about my spirit. He said, I was, I was there.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: to protect Lex. And he said, Lex was there to, to,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: to do some real work. And so what's interesting is
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: that we both reached this sort of, um, we, we
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: both reached the pinnacle of, of, of what was happening
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: at the same time where I felt myself about, I
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: felt it coming. I was like, Oh no, I'm going
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: to throw up. I'm going to throw up. And all
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: of a sudden my, my consciousness lifted six feet above
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: my body. And I was looking down at me and
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: Lex and I got this overwhelmingly calm sensation and And
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: without speaking, the shaman said to me, he said, you're
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: not going to feel this. I know you don't like it.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: He said, you're just here to support him so you
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: can vomit now. And so Lex started vomiting and I
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: started vomiting, but I was watching myself and I was
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: watching him and I was just like, this is fine.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: It doesn't hurt a bit. And it was very, very comforting.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: And then he came and he started with the, you know,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: shaking the leaves and singing louder and really cultivating, making
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: sure we gave everything that we purged all of it.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: And then, and then he brought the crescendo down. And
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: then he calmed, and then he began singing, and then
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: we settled back into the symphonic throb of the night.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: And then the trip went on for some time, but
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: it was interesting that things heightened at that moment and
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: that we went through it together. Wow.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: So why did he think that you were there to
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: protect Lex? It was just like something he felt?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: That's what he said. That's what he said to me.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: And then it was very interesting watching– Lex go through
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: his journey because he, he, by the end of it,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: he just got happier and happier. He just, he just
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: liked it more and more. And around, around, I think
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: cup six, I, I tapped after the, after the vomiting,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: after that thing, it was sort of, again, there's, there's
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: energies floating around and he's singing. It's great, you know,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: understanding a little bit of the language because, you know,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: he's singing to his grandfather. He's singing to the spirit
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: of Santiago and the spirit of the Anaconda and using
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: the old words for them. You know, not even saying anaconda.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: He's he's saying the other things. I'm out of my own.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: You know, he's saying she will walk go and he's
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: talking about the. So he's doing this and shaking his
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: thing and you hear the frogs throbbing and it's all
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: moving through your skin. And so, yeah, I tapped out
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: after a while and Lex kept going. He's got an
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: amazing constitution. I think that's the Russian thing. But since then,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: I can't drink.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: I can't drink. I could have a cup of wine.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe if I have more than that, I feel sick.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: Like I feel damaged. I have not been able to drink.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: I haven't had a beer since two years ago.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: So what do you think it is? It just like
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: let you know what it's doing to you?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: I have no idea. It's just a weird side effect.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: I keep trying it. I used to love whiskey. I'll
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: like smell some whiskey and I'm like, wow.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Really? So we crack the bottle right now? Turn it off.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: You would, it would make you feel sick?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, I could take a sip of it, but
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: my body would be like, no.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Red light. Red light. No. Yeah. Well, your body's correct. Yeah.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: But it made me hypersensitive. I noticed from that moment onwards.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: Did it have the effect with Lex?
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: He still boos it up.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Lex goes hard. I'm sure he does. We went to
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Andrew Schultz's wedding with Lex. Yeah. And then we flew
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: with Whitney Cummings. It was doing a gig in Vegas. Yeah.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: And we said, we'll go with you. So it was
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: me and my wife and Whitney and Lex. We flew
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: to Vegas.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: And then we hung out with David Goggins. I called
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: him up. I was like, come meet us at the hotel.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: Was he partying? No.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: No. Him and Lex were doing push-ups. They were doing drunk.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Lex was drunk. And David wasn't. And Lex wanted to
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: have a push-up competition.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: With Goggins.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: With Goggins.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: That's amazing. I mean, but that's why he's Lex, right?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: At the encore.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: Because he's willing to try everything. Yeah.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's an animal.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, the fact that push-up competition with David Goggins.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: He's just silly. That's hysterical. He's quite a character, that Lex.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: He told me he's going to Dagestan to train. He's
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: going to go to Dagestan and train with, like, Khabib's team.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Good Lord, dude. Yeah, good Lord. You're, like, 42. How
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: old is he? Lex's got to be in his 40s.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: But early 40s. I think he's still very young.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but, like, you're going to go there and train
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: with savages.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: How old is Khabib?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Well, Khabib's retired, but he's probably 35, if I had
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: to guess. You know, somewhere around there. you know but
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: it's a different.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: Thing he's the let's talk now yeah let's talk.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Now well he's training those guys now he's training you
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: know Islam Makhachev and Umar Nurmagomedov his cousin he's training
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: some of the best guys alive so he's running a
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: camp down in Dagestan.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: Because he's kind of like so did he it seems
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: like At least I don't like, I wasn't really following
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: his career, but it seemed like he came in like
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: an assassin, did some big stuff.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: Well, his dad died. Okay. His dad died during COVID.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: And after his dad died, he promised his mother that
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: he was going to stop fighting.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: Got it.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: His dad was his trainer. His dad was a legendary,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: legendary trainer and trained Islam, trained Khabib. And when he died,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Khabib made a promise to his mother. He fought Justin Gaethje,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: beat him, defended his title, and that was it. Done.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: But I mean he's very well regarded now for his
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: accomplishments in fighting, right?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: One of the greatest of all time. Yeah. I mean
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: there's an argument of who the greatest of all time is.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: It's very subjective. Sure.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: But he's certainly in the conversation.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: He's one of– I don't think there is a– maybe
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: Jon Jones is the– Greatest of all time just based
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: on his accomplishments and also undefeated. But also the time
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: that he's been– I mean John won a world title
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: at 23 and is still– like up until he relinquished
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: his heavyweight title recently. He's 36, 37 now. No one's
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: beaten him. Crazy. No one's had a run like that.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: No one's had a run like that.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: That's insane. How big is he?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: John's a heavyweight. Yeah. John, I think, is 6'3 or 6'4.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: And now he's about 240-ish. But he used to fight
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: at 205. That was his main weight class.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so the conversation of who is the greatest
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: of all time. In my book, Mighty Mouse is in
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: that conversation too. Who's Mighty Mouse? Mighty Mouse is Demetrius Johnson.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: He was a flyweight. The problem is he was a
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: very small guy. And so a lot of people disregard
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: the smaller guys in that conversation. But skill-wise, in terms
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: of the expression of mixed martial arts excellence, I put
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Mighty Mouse in his prime right up there with everybody.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: Do you think that– now, your arms are significantly bigger
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: than mine. And I feel like– Like the guys who
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: are good at striking have smaller arms, right?
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Mike Tyson, giant arms.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: Giant arms. There you go.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not it.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: Don't you feel like you're swinging around some weight?
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Well, you are, but you also have a lot more
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: power behind it.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: So when you do connect, that's true. It's conditioning, you know,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: like the whole thing of swing. It's like did you
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: develop those arms just doing bicep curls?
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Or did you develop those arms doing functional things?
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: Like constant training that gives you muscle endurance.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: It all depends. But if you see like a big
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: bulky bodybuilder guy, yeah, that's not good.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: No, but for like our level where we're still athletic
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: and stuff, I'm going, man, I don't want to put
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: on more. I want to get stronger, but I don't
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: want to put on more mass.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do really anything to try to put
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: weight on. I don't lift anything heavier than 70 pounds.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: So many dudes just want to– Yeah.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: They just want to look big. Yeah, I don't do
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: anything like that. Like I said, the heaviest thing I
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: lift is my body weight. I do a lot of
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: body weight stuff. I do a lot of chin-ups and dips,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: and sometimes I do it with a vest. But with kettlebells,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: occasionally I'll throw around a 90-pound kettlebell, but the heaviest
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: I really train with is 70.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: But that's plenty.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: But I don't– like I said, I don't train for size.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I just train for function.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: Strength and function, yeah.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, it's silly. If I don't have range
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: of motion and function, like what am I doing? I
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: don't– yeah. I'm a martial artist. Like my whole thing
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: is to being able to use my body. It's not
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: to make it look like I can use it. I'd
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: rather be smaller and more functional and bigger and just
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: look like a big goofy toad.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I bulk too easily. I actually try to put
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: on this way. I only do... I mean, we're Italian-Irish.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, come on.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: You get thick.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you get thick quick.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: You got to wash the pasta.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: Long line of people. Long line of thick people.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 5: Uh-huh. Yeah.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: Uh-huh. Can I take a quick peek?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: You've been murdering it. Like, you've been having just... Tons
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: and tons. Do you do them every day?
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: I just keep– I mean it's not any different pace
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: than before. It's usually four a week.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: It seems– it's just I feel like– maybe it's because
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: I'm in the jungle for a few weeks and then
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: I'll like come back and look and I'm like, whoa.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: Johnny Knoxville, Matt Damon and like bang, bang, bang, bang.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: The key is just keep going.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: You know, like you've run 1,000 miles, right? But you
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: didn't run 1,000 miles in a day.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: You know, you run 10 a day and then days–
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: Go on and.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: On and on.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: It's incredible, though.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: You get to meet everybody.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: You meet a lot of people.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: You definitely develop a better understanding of human beings. Because,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: you know, you're limited by the amount of human beings
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: you interact with, your scope, your understanding of people. Yeah.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: The more you can talk to, the more different people,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: the more you get a different sense.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Well, you're in a very unique.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, again, I always go back to the bee lady.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: Remember that?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure, sure.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: She relocates the bees.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: She's cool.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: And then you have people like Knoxville on and you
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: guys are talking, I just heard you guys talking about
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: when he gets, when he got hit by the bull.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: I was always wondering if that was real. And then
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: I remember the first time I came in here I
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: was asking you and Jamie, I was going, the one
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: question was the David Blaine thing. Because he had you
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: shove that thing through.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, come on. Oh, I shoved it through. Yeah,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: that was real.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: I was going, come on, they got it. That can't be.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Nope, that was real.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, because I did it once and I hit
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: a nerve.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: And he had to restart it, right?
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe back out and shove it right through. But
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: it's not a trick. You know, it's just pain. Like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: I could do that. If I wanted to do that,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: I could do that. I could shove a needle through
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: my arm.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: How bad do you want it?
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why I would do that.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: And I feel like that's a little bit of what
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: Knoxville was saying where he was like, look, he's like,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: I got a response. And he's like, this is what
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: I started doing. You know, and it's like one way
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: or the other, how are you going to get the attention?
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what brought him to the dance is
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: just getting hurt all the time. But when he told
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: me he had been knocked unconscious 16 times and then
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: the last one– that's really bad. And then the last
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: one was the bull one that landed on his head
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: and he was depressed for months and had to get
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: on medication. I am very averse to head injuries, which
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: is kind of hypocritical because I'm a combat sports commentator.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: It's weird. And I've also been hit in the head
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: a bunch of times. But I just think it's really
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: fucking bad for you overall. I stopped sparring when I
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: was in my late 20s really.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Kickboxing sparring.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: And then I did it a little bit when I
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: was supposed to fight Wesley Snipes. I went back and
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: started sparring again. Did you fight Wesley Snipes?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: Wesley Snipes was– That would be hysterical. I was in
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: my mid-30s. I was like this is the last chance
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: I get to do something like this. Yeah. And then
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: I got contacted by Campbell McLaren, who was one of
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: the producers of the early UFC. He's like, this is
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: going to sound crazy. But Wesley, he was in tax problems.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: He wound up going to jail for tax evasion. Apparently,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: he had some crazy guy who was telling him, you know,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: you don't have to pay taxes. You know, there's those
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: guys that are like, what do they call them? Sovereign citizens.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: Is that what they call them?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that give really bad advice.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: And they got in with someone like Wesley Snipes.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh. And, you know, they tell you, like, they can't
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: prosecute you. It's not in the Constitution. And he believed
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: it because he didn't have access to other people. I
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: never talked to Wesley. I don't know. I don't have
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: anything against him.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: You sure he just wasn't scared of fighting you, so
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: he made up this whole story?
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: No. I think Wesley also might have been embarking on
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: a journey of cocaine.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Which gives you... A very distorted idea of what you
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: can and can't do.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: Everything.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You think you can do everything. I don't know
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: if that's the case. I think it might have been
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: just– well, he's a very legitimate martial artist. I mean Wesley,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: if you look at his like skills like from the
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: movie Blade and– Yeah. Like he's a really good martial artist.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: He knows how to fight.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You kind of have to be to do those movies, hey?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But my thought was just I'm going to grab
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: him and choke the life out of him. Like how
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: is he going to stop me? Also, I know how
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: to stand up. That would have been awesome. I was
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: a kickboxer.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: That would have been awesome. If you could fight one
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: person dead or alive, full fight.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I wouldn't– no.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: The problem with it, it really– No, but like theoretically,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: not you as Joe Rogan the dad and like just
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: Joe Rogan.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: It would not be one person. What it would be
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: is start fighting again. It would be fight whoever. The
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: whole thing would be competing. But obviously I'm 58. That's
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: never going to happen again now.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: I'm saying like, but like Wesley Snipes, it's like, you know,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: you say like, oh, I'd want to fight.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I just thought it would be an adventure.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: And I trained for like six months. I was training
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: with Rob Kamen, who's a legendary kickboxing, a Dutch kickboxing champion.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: So he was my kickboxing coach. And so I was
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: training with him in the mornings and I was training
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: jujitsu at night. It was hard. It was really hard.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: I was doing it for six months. I was training
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: twice a day for six months. Yeah. It was really brutal.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: And I was so tired. I was tired all the time.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: And that's where you got those leg kicks that you
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: were teaching George St. Pierre?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: Nah, I learned how to do that when I was
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: a kid.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: Now, my question is now, he's such a legendary MMA guy.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Like, he was.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: Did he not have.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I was a Taekwondo specialist. Okay. You know, and
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: I was a multiple-time state champion in Taekwondo. And I
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: won a bunch of national tournaments. And I was really good.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: I was really good at Taekwondo. Like, I had fought...
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: at a very high level. And I have a lot
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: of really good instruction that I got from– I got
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: very lucky. And I stumbled upon a school in Boston
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: called the Jae Hun Kim Taekwondo Institute. Just randomly walked
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: in the door one day and it turned out to
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: be one of the best Taekwondo schools in the world. Yeah.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: And so I had trained with some of the very
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: best people in the world just by fortune.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: And I was physically gifted. I was very lucky in
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways. I had a lot of natural power.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: And I learned technique, which is the most important thing,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: like perfect technique. And so when– it was funny. It
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: was because it came about. Because of John Donaher. I
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: had a conversation with John Donaher, who's George's jiu-jitsu coach,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: who's maybe the greatest martial arts coach in the world,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: maybe of all time, really, legitimately, like a brilliant man.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: He was a philosophy major from Columbia who got– I
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: think he was a professor for a bit. But then
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: he got obsessed with jiu-jitsu and was just teaching jiu-jitsu
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: and training jiu-jitsu and sleeping on the mats and– Like literally. Literally.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Teaching all day and training all day and sleeping on
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: the mats. But a brilliant man. And we were having
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: dinner one night and he's like, George needs some help
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: with the finer points of the spinning back kick. do
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: you know anyone who can help him? And I said,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: this is going to sound crazy. I go, but I
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: have like the best spinning back kick you're ever going
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: to see in your fucking life. I go, I know
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: it sounds crazy because I'm a comedian. I go find
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: a bag. I could show you.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: I can show you what I could do. And then
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: I brought– there's a video of me.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, I saw it. OK. It was me taking– The
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: sound is imprinted in my mind.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: George– Whack! This is when we were at Legends, Legends
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: MMA in LA, which is where I trained. It was
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: where Eddie Bravo had 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. And I go, OK,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: let's go downstairs to the Muay Thai part and I'll
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: show you. And then I kicked the bag and he's like.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: Man, what the fuck?
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Can I film this? He's filming with a flip phone,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: which is crazy. Like that's how long ago this was.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: That's crazy. I don't know.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: It was probably 2005 or something like that. I had hair.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: And it was funny because it was like this thing.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: It's like– because I don't do it. Even back then,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was training in kickboxing. I wasn't
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: training in Taekwondo. It was just– I just still had
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: it in me.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: Do you still keep it?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: I did it today.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: You did it today?
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice. Yeah.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: That was an impressive video. And you just go, Jesus,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: if he's showing this to George St. Pierre, how good
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: is he at this thing?
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: I used to be really good.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: I believe you. But I realized when I was like 21. Well,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: I realized when I was 19 that I was going
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: to have to stop because I fought in California. I
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: was living in Boston at the time. I was traveling
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: all over the country and fighting. And I fought in
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: the nationals in California against this guy who was the
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: Illinois state champion, and I knocked him out really bad.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: It was really bad.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: I hit him with a wheel kick in the head,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: and my heel was sore for days afterwards. Like I
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: had a hard time walking from his fucking head. And
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: he never got up. He went down face first, was snoring.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: And back then my thing was– If I knocked anybody out,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: I would just act like it was no big deal.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: I would just turn around and walk away. No celebration.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: I just walk away like that. I'm going to do
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: that to all you guys.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: And so I walked away and then I turned to
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: my friend Jungsik who was my corner guy. I said,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: is he getting up? He's like, he's not getting up.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: He's not going to get up.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: He's out.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: And then they took him and they put him in
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: a stretcher. And then they were taking care of him.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: And for like a half hour, he was still unconscious.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: And then they took him to the hospital. I have
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: no idea what happened to him. But I realized it
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: was so bad. It was because he came forward. So
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: what happened was he did– do you know what a
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: switch kick is?
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: A switch kick is you're standing with your left leg
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: forward and you switch legs and you come like with
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: the left kick. So you think he's repositioning and then–
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: He's moving forward but he telegraphed it. And it's his
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: left leg. So I saw that his left leg was
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: coming this way. So I spun with my right heel
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: and I hit him in the head as he was
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: running forward. So it's like multiple– the force itself of
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: a wheel kick is so powerful. And then when you're
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: running into a wheel kick, it's crazy.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: It's like two cars driving at each other.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: It's like getting hit with a baseball bat that fucking
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: Mark McGuire swang. It's crazy how much power there is
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: in it because it's your legs. Your legs carry you
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: around all day. And the torque of your whole body,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: you're whipping around and you're hitting with the heel. There's
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: no padding on your heel. I hit him right on
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: the fucking cheek, right on the side of his head.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: He went out. And then I came back to my
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: instructor and he wasn't there at the tournament. I went
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: back to Boston. He's like, he goes, I heard you
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: had a really good knockout. And I said, yeah. I said,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: it was scary. I go... I thought he was dead.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: He goes, sometimes they die. And then he walked away
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: from me and I was like, fuck man. Sometimes they die.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's me. I'm like, I'm, and I had
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: no health insurance. I was 19. I was broke. I
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: was training for the, I wanted to be on the
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: Olympic team. And that was two years from there. And
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: I lost a lot of my steam at that moment.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: Cause I was like, what am I doing? I'm fighting
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: for free. I don't have any money. I have no insurance.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm doing this thing. And I knew back then
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: I was getting some brain damage for sure. And then
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: I started kickboxing like right after that. And then I
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: really kind of lost my feeling for Taekwondo because I
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: realized it was so limited. You know, that like when
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: I was sparring with kickboxers, I was really like, man,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: my hands are so limited. So then I started working
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: with this guy. Joe Lake, who was a boxing coach.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: And that's when I was doing a lot of boxing
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: and a lot of kickboxing. And I was like, man,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: I'm getting my brains beat in. And I don't know
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: why I'm doing this. And I'm like, there's no professional.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like the UFC existed at the time. I
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: got offered a kickboxing fight for 500 bucks. And I
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: was like, 500 bucks. So for 500 bucks, I lose
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: my amateur status. I can never fight in the Olympics.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: And there's no money in it as a professional. I'm like,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: What is my future? Am I going to be one
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: of the– and then I'm– new guys in the gym
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: that I used to train with like when I was
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: 19 and then by the time I was like 21,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: I was seeing brain damage in these guys. I was
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: seeing them slurring their words, forgetting what they were saying,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: repeating themselves. The weird thing is they'll tell you a
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: story and then they'll tell you the same story like
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: two minutes later and they're like, you just fucking told
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: me that story. That's terrifying. They don't remember. They don't
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: remember anything.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: And now– but now– George St. Pierre is a good
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: example of someone. I feel like he made it out
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: of fighting before.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: He looks very healthy.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: He's fine.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: He looks like he's fine.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: He's fine. But he's a very intelligent guy. He also
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: does a lot of things to keep his mind very active.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: He plays chess. And he's very– Like proactive about it.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: But he seems like even like I've just seen him
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: on social media where he's like, hey, guys, this is
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: how I do. Like he's just like a very.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: Seems like a very positive, fun, you know, does not seem.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: He's the best case scenario for both. Another guy in
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: the argument for the all time great. Yeah. For an
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: all time great MMA champion who has a successful and
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: happy life outside of it.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: Didn't end up with the.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: No. The shakes. No. No, he's fine. I mean, I've
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: hung out with him a bunch. I've hung out with
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: him recently.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: He was great. He came to the comedy club. He's
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: actually playing my friend James McCann. They were playing chess
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: in the green room at the Comedy Mothership. It was
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: so cool. We were filming it.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: The last time I came, I think he had been
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: in there the night before, and I was like, ah.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: That would have been a trip to meet him.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: He's amazing. But he's such a sweetheart of a guy.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: You would never imagine that he's this fucking killer inside
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: the octagon. He's such a sweet guy. But it's just
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: like for him– it was just this incredible challenge and
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: he was really good at it. And he just figured
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: out a way to express himself that way.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: And, you know, as a legend, like, I don't imagine
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: that he was like big on like the trash talk
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: before fights and everything.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: He was probably just like, look, we're just going to, no,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: there was no trash talk.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: He was very respectful. Unless someone was disrespectful to him. And, and,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and even then it wasn't trash talking.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: No, he always seemed like he was cool.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: He was just doing his thing.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: No, he was a, One of the best representatives of
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: the sport of all time, if not the best.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: No, I like that.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: He's classy. Like never got into trouble outside the octagon. Yeah. Never,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: you know, was never drunk driving or beating people up and,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: you know, just a great guy. And if, I would
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: have to tell people who he is. Like he would,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: he was like, who's your friend? I was like, what
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: do you think he does?
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: What do you think my friend does? And like, I
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: don't know. He seems cool.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: How big is he? He's one of the, he's.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: About five pounds. 9, 5, 10 maybe. Yeah, sure. And
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: now he probably weighs 180 pounds, 185 pounds maybe. Fought
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: at 170. Okay. He's not like a scary looking person.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like that's one of the greatest fighters that's ever
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: walked the face of the earth. I'm like, no way.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah. I mean, he's like, hey, how you doing, man?
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: What's going on? He doesn't seem rough. He's like jovial. Yeah,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: he's a sweetheart.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: No, he's not trying to intimidate. Like, you know, Khabib
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: looks like he's, you know.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: He's really smart. I mean, he's really, he's always like
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: watching documentaries and reading books.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: He's fascinated by ancient history and dinosaurs and really into aliens.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Plus dinosaurs.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: No, it's just crazy, man. You've gotten to this. You've
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 4: met everyone. Did you ever have Jane Goodall on here?
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: No, I did not, unfortunately.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: I wanted to make that happen.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: I wanted to. She's gone, right?
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: She just died.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to her about Bigfoot because she
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: was convinced that Bigfoot was real.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: She was convinced that Bigfoot was real.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. She did this interview where she said
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: she's certain of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll find it. Jamie,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: see if we can find that. I.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: Not that I don't believe you, but I just don't
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: find Jane Goodall.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. I was stunned. I
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: was like, what? And this is by the time I
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: had been convinced that Bigfoot was fake.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in that camp.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: There's camera traps. But this is the camp. There was
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: an animal that coexisted with human beings for sure that
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: was called Gigantopithecus.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: You know the whole story.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: So Gigantopithecus, they found bones in an apothecary shop in
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: China in the 1920s. 20s or 30s, and an anthropologist
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: found these molars and said, where did you get this?
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: These are primate molars, and they're fucking enormous. Like whatever
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: this thing was was absolutely huge. So they went to
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: the site where they got it. They found mandible bones
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: that indicated it was bipedal. So it was an upright
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: walking primate that was 8 to 10 feet tall. Like
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is this? And so I'm sure you've
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: seen the images of what a gigantopithecus looked like in
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: comparison to a human being. It's in the orangutan family.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: And so that thing existed and also existed in Asia, right?
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: So you look at the Bering Strait and you look
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: at the Bering Land Bridge that we know existed during
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: the Ice Age. And so we know that. humans migrated
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: from Siberia into North America. We know that for a fact.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: You know one of the reasons we know that for
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: a fact? Because Mormons were convinced that Native Americans were
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: part of the lost tribe of Israel. Yeah. So some
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: rich Mormon guy did a DNA test on Native Americans
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: and found out that they emanated from Siberia. And so
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: it was incorrect. So we know humans came down from there.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't other animals. We know they did. We know
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: short-faced bear, a bunch of different animals that they find
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: their bones in Alaska, and they know that they probably
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: made their way down through North America. It just makes
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: logical sense that if you have a variety of different megafauna,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: that probably one of those primates or a bunch of
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: those primates lived in the Pacific Northwest, which is the
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: area where they would be. And then you have incredibly
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: dense forest, right? so Jane Goodall won't rule out the
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: existence of but no no no find the video where
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: she says I'm convinced I'm convinced yeah cause she was
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: talking I didn't seriously say that oh no no I've
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying no I'm not saying okay just find
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: it cause it exists it doesn't exist I can't I
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: can't listen to the videos no no no go to
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: video dude.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: She would've been awesome on the recording you should I'm
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: so sad Jane.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: Goodall on how Bigfoot might be real that's it right
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: there put the headphones.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: On listen to this headphones.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: I climbed into the hills.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, there's Jane.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: This was where I was meant to be.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: I want to talk to you about something that some
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 5: would say is fictional, but you would say, hold up,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 5: we don't know for certain, and that's Bigfoot.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: Everybody talks to me about it.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: I'm romantic.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: I would like Bigfoot to exist. I've met people who
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: swear they've seen Bigfoot. And I think the interesting thing
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: is every single continent, there is an equivalent of Bigfoot
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: or Sasquatch. There's the Yeti, there's the Yari in Australia,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: there's the Chinese wild man, and on and on and on. And,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: you know, I've had stories from people who, you have
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: to believe them. So there's something, I don't know what
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: it is. I'm always open-minded.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: What about other mythological creatures? Pause for a second. So
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: they're saying that to her. He's saying that to her,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: and she said that in reaction to a previous interview
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: that she did. In the previous interview that she did,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: she said, I'm convinced that it exists. I don't know. Well,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: you know, you've got to realize this is a lady
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: that lived with primates in an inaccessible area where there's
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: very few human beings, and she had these interactions with them.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with her, but I think that it
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: existed at one point in time. One of the other
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: reasons why I think it exists is that different Native
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: American tribes put this into perplexity. How many different Native
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: American terms were there for a hairy wild man or Bigfoot?
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: And I believe there's more than 80. That's wild. Now,
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of mythological creatures in Native
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: American culture. Yeah. Right? And so in different tribes, right?
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: But they have a name for this hairy, wild, giant
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: man that lives in the woods. A Wookie.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: They also have– the other thing that's really fascinating is giants.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: There is a lot of ancient cultures have stories about giants.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: And Native American tribes have ancient stories of giant red-haired men.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: Which, you know, God, it's in the Bible. It's in
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: a bunch of, okay, 40 to 50 separate terms across
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: different languages and regions. Harry Wild Giant Man. No single
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: agreed upon count, but dozens of distinct Native American names
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: for Harry Wild Giant Man beings. Easily over 40 to
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: 50 separate terms across different languages and regions. Interesting.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 4: I would love to see the clip eventually of Jane
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 4: Goyle saying, I believe in Bigfoot.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: I'm convinced.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 4: She's like, I'm open to the idea of it.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: She's saying that. And the reason why she's asking that
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: is because he had seen the previous interview. See if
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: we can find another interview with her talking about Bigfoot.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: She was awesome.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: She was awesome.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: She's the reason I have a career.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: Her being awesome. There's two stories I tell people. First
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: of all, because everyone goes, what's Joe Rogan like? And
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 4: I know it's true. Cause everyone wants to know. And
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 4: you're controversial. And so I was the nicest fucking guy
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 4: in the world. I go, I said the first time
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: I came in, you sent me a message and you
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: said something about like, Hey, don't worry about a thing.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: Like I'm even going to bring my dog. Like yours.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: It was very nice. It was a little pat on
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 4: the back. Cause you go, Jane Goodall. I went to
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: a talk when I was like 22 something. And I
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: was just writing chapters of my first book, mother of God,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: which didn't even have a name yet. And I had
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 4: chapters and a manila envelope. And I went to a,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 4: talk that Goodall was giving. And I mean, I'd been
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: read stories and seen the black and white pictures. So
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 4: this was like, you know, like Einstein, Abe Lincoln, Jane Goodall,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: living historical figure. And so now she's talking in front
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 4: of me and I had brought these chapters and I
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 4: wanted to ask her because I'd already sent the chapters
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 4: to publishers and they'd all been like, kid, none of
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 4: this is true. You know, no way did you jump
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 4: on a giant anaconda. No way did you raise an anteater.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 4: They just didn't believe me. And then when it was
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 4: my turn after hundreds of people, I get to her
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 4: and she goes, hello. She takes a little picture with you.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: And I said, would you read these chapters? I said,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: I would love it because I loved your stories as
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 4: a kid. She goes, thank you. And she puts it
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 4: to the side. 48 hours later, her staff gets in
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: touch and they go, Jane actually read what you gave her,
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 4: loved it, and said, finish the book, get a publisher,
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: and I will write you an endorsement.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: She waved her magical wand in my direction. and gave
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: me a career.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: That's so cool.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 4: And what's really great is that earlier this year I
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: emailed her and it was because this book was coming
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: out and I, I, you know, I said it would
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 4: be amazing to have, I mean, I said at this point,
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 4: no one's, you know, the conservation, the voice of mother earth. Um,
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: and she just, you know, she was just, she just said,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: you know, just keep protecting the Amazon. That's, that's your mission.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 4: She was always very, it was like, you know, Luke,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: believe in yourself. It was like, you know, she was
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 4: just like, you, your job is to protect this forest.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: And it was incredible.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 4: And so, yeah, right, right. You know, about six months
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: ago I got to tell her, I was like, look,
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 4: cause the last time I'd spoken to her, we were protecting,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 4: I think it was like a hundred thousand acres. And
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 4: then in the last year we added 30,000 acres to
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 4: the reserve. And so I said, you know, we're, we're
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 4: making strides forward. And she just, it was good that
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 4: I got to tell her that. And then, and then, uh,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: You know, recently we found out that she died, but
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 4: what a legacy.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: What a legacy.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 4: What a legacy.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we know so much about primate behavior
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: because of that woman.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 4: We still know so much about, I mean, man the toolmaker.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: Before her, we said there was humans that used tools.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 4: And now we know that, you know, capuchin monkeys use rocks.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 4: We know that otters use rocks. I mean, I've seen
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 4: elephants use a stick to scratch. I've seen camera chat
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 4: footage of an elephant using a tree to knock over
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 4: an electrical fence. Animals use tools. She was the first one.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, she went out there when she was, what,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: 20-something years old? Middle Africa, blonde girl.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: Crazy.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 4: And then spent the whole rest of her life. But
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: the lesson that I take away from that is that
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 4: even as famous as she was, that she was traveling
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: 300 days a year. I mean, she'd been an icon
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 4: for decades and that she still took the time. to
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 4: actually read something that some kid handed to her. That's
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 4: unfathomable grace. to do that and then literally if that
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: didn't happen I never would have published Mother of God
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: I never would have started Jungle Keepers I never would
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 4: have been protecting the rainforest she empowered that she did
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 4: that with her magic and I think that that's incredible
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 4: that's so cool absolutely incredible did.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: You find any other no I guarantee it exists yeah
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: But it's okay. You'll have to trust me. I don't
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: think she's correct. But I do think, not Bigfoot, but
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: I do think that it's entirely possible that there is
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: a small, hairy, primate-like, human-like primate that exists still. That's
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: like the hobbit people from the island of Flores.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: You know, there's the thing called the Oring Pendek. Have
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: you heard of that?
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: The Orang Pandek, I think Indonesia, perhaps Vietnam, there's a
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: bunch of places that have this creature that gets sighted
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: on multiple occasions. And they used to think of it
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: as like just silly legend. But now because of the discovery,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: which was– was it in the 90s that they discovered
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: the hobbit people on the island of Flores? You know
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: about that, right? Yeah.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 4: I've heard of them. Yeah.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Homo.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 4: And those are real.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 4: Those are real. We have their bones.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: Very real. Very real. It was a very small, um,
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: like Hobbit like creature. Yeah. That was a type of
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: primate that was bipedal. Um, that was like a little tiny,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: hairy human being that lived at least on the Island
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: of Flores, but most likely lived in many other places
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: as well. And, um, There's a possibility that it still exists.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: And it's not me saying this. It's like some actual
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: anthropologists that believe that this thing might still be alive.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Because you're dealing with incredibly small populations. But are those–
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: I mean are those islands so small that no– like unlike.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: The Amazon, it's gigantic. But like how could there be
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: a population?
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: They're incredibly dense, incredibly dense forest and no one is
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: going into it. They're just down in the bushes. Right.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: It's like the Tasmanian tiger.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 4: I was just going to say like the thylacine where
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 4: it's like they're just hidden.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. Like small population. Like there's a lot of
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: sightings of the thylacine. Yeah.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but somehow all these sightings, it's never on a–
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: it's never clear.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 5: No. No.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: That was the– It's also– there's no one there. Yeah.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I mean let's pretend that you saw
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: Wolverine in the– Montana woods, like dense Montana woods. And
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: it's a hundred yards away. You see it briefly for
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: a second, get your phone. You're not going to, you
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: might've seen it. You might've seen it traveling between trees,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: but like, how are you going to get it off
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: your phone? You're going to have to, unless you have
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: a Samsung where you have a really good zoom, you're
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: not going to be able to zoom in enough. You know,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: like you'd have to have like, this is only a
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: few phones that are, yeah, you're not going to get
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: good footage, but we know that Wolverines are real, but
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: finding a Wolverine in the woods, I've talked to God,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: I've talked to hundreds of men who spend a giant
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: portion of their life in the woods and only a
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: few have seen wolverines. I would love to see a wolverine.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: How about mountain lions? They're everywhere. I've only seen three
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: of them in my entire life.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: That's wild.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: But I've probably been around a hundred of them and
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: not known it.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: You know, that's the reaction we got with the tribes
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: was that if you look at uncontacted tribes, my whole life,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: you look at photos of uncontacted tribes, it was like blurry, crappy.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 4: Cause who was out there? It was like a logger. Right. Right.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: Or it was somebody running.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 4: And even when I saw them the first time, when
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 4: I was out on a solo is 10 days deep
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 4: in the jungle, I saw them and I ran for
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: my life and everyone went, you didn't see him. I mean,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 4: I'm a, I'm, I don't mind that if I have
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: pics or it didn't happen.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: Um, and so with this, when we.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: Started, when we started.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: Actually showing people what we had, it was like, this
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 4: has never been, it's like, it's like a vision into the,
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 4: into the stone age.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, I mean, like really not even the
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: stone age, like they're not even the stone age stone tools.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: They use sharpened sticks.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I showed it to an anthropologist and he was saying,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 4: you know, stone age isn't necessarily accurate here. He said,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 4: because they're not using stone, they don't have clay pots.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 4: He goes, this is something this is, but I mean,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 4: it then think about it's actually like a time machine
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 4: because you're, you're, you're, and we were standing across the river, look,
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 4: talking to these people and it's like, you guys are,
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 4: couple thousand years back. And so it's like, this is
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 4: such a strange aperture into history.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe not even a couple.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 4: Maybe like 30, 40.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 4: I feel like somehow to me the number seems like two.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 4: But it's like, you know, we were like little tribes.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but 2,000 years ago, the Egyptian pyramids were already 2,500
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: years old at least.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: That's true. But I mean, again, civilization... isn't homogenous, right?
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: Like different, different, you know, so obviously there's uncontacted tribes
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: still right now.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: That's what's crazy.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: It's like a man with a cell phone from the
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: future filmed people.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: It felt like that.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 4: It felt like this was like a back to the
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 4: future moment where it's like, you know, this is, they
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 4: have no idea. And, and my people thinking of everyone
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 4: else back home, I was like, don't realize that that
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: these people are still out there in the jungle living
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 4: like this.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: Right. And probably in the dense, dense, dense forest, there's
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: probably many more of them.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 4: There are many more of them. In fact, while we, yeah,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 4: while we were watching them out front, there was a
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 4: terrifying moment where the, we heard something behind us and
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 4: it was, which we never saw them, but the women
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: came light foot in behind and they pulled up all
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: the yucca and the bananas and they were raiding. And
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 4: so for a second, we were like, there's an ambush.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 4: And everyone was like turning the shotguns away from the
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: river and And they were like, we thought there was
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 4: going to be arrows flying. So, like, my guy Ignacio
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: grabbed me and, like, put me down. And we were
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 4: hiding behind trees waiting for it. And it was like, no, no, no.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 4: They're just stealing all of the fruit and all of
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: the crops. And they just raided our whole village.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 4: But I really did feel like, you know, like you go,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 4: imagine what it would be like to go back and
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 4: see the Comanches. Watch them riding across the plains after
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 4: the buffalo. And it's like, we can't. But in this case,
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 4: they were right there.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 4: And now, and now, now that these videos are going
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 4: out across the world, it's like, look, we're trying to
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 4: explain to people, you know, first of all, there's a
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 4: lot of those, you know, you know exactly what kind
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 4: of people are like, leave them alone. And it's like,
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 4: literally where the people trying to make sure that they
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: get left alone. Like, that's our job.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to ignore those folks.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: Especially you. You're not the type of person that's interfering
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: with their life at all.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 4: No. And they came to us.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: By giving them the bananas, you're literally helping them.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: Well, and again, I was a witness. Right. That was
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: happening between the tribes and the tribes. Right, right. And so, but,
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 4: you know, for all the indigenous cultures that have been
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 4: destroyed in the last few centuries, we can do it
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: right for once. We can actually respect these people. If
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 4: they want to come out, they can come out. If
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 4: they want to adapt, they can. But they need to
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 4: have forest to live in in order to make that decision.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 4: And so that's where it's like.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: How can they make an informed decision? How can they adapt?
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it would be very slow.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: The gap is so crazy.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 4: I think it would be slow. I think it would
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: be a few more banana exchanges, maybe without the arrow
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 4: shot afterwards. And then maybe it starts to be like, OK,
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 4: you guys can come here. Maybe the communities teach them
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 4: how to grow bananas. Maybe they don't want to come–
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 4: But they want a few things.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe they want a couple of machetes because
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 4: it'll just help, you know, and they want to keep
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 4: to themselves.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe. But I mean, other than them, the thought of
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: the most uncontacted people is North Sentinel Island.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: And North Sentinel Island, the interesting part of that is
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they're so distrustful of people
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: is because they had been contacted in the 1800s. And
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: it was bad. Yeah, by a fucking pervert. There was
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: a guy named Commander Maurice Vidal Portman who was a–
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: like an explorer slash pervert. And the reason why I
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: say that is like– Good job title. This guy had
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: like weird journal logs where it was like this one
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: has testicles the size of a sparrow's egg. Like he
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: would dress them up like Roman soldiers and take pictures
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: of them. They kidnapped a few of them and then
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: they gave a bunch of people the flu and a
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: bunch of people died. And so they had this immense distrust.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: for people because of this guy and his explorations onto
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: that island, that island and other islands like it. So they,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: they don't have a written language, right? These people, there's
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: no evidence they have fire. So there's this story of these,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: because the, you know, it's incredibly wet environment. Yeah. So they,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: they have this stories that they probably have these oral
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: traditions of these white people that come and fuck up everything.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: So when someone shows up on a boat, There's been
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: a few instances where people were killed. The kid was
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: just killed a few years back. But not just him.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: There was a boat that sank there. So it washed
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: ashore and sank. And they were headed to go kill
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: those people when they were rescued. And now we've spotted them. We, people,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: have spotted them with metal. And they believe the metal
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: they got was salvaged from the boat. So they got
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: pieces of metal. So this is the boat that That
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: shipwrecked in 1981 a cargo ship named the Primrose ran
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: aground on the coral reef surrounding North Sentinel. The crew
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: radioed for assistance and settled for a long wait. But
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: in the morning they saw 50 men with bows on
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: the beach building makeshift boats to swim out to them
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: and fuck them up.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, they have a severe distrust, obviously, of people.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 4: So I was on the Andaman Islands, which is right
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 4: next to these.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: That guy, Respectable Lawyer on Twitter, he's the one I
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: got the information from. He documented the whole story of,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: if you scroll all the way up, he'll talk about
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: that guy, Maurice Vidal. See, look how he dressed. That's
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that fucking creep. Look
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: at him. He looks like a pervert. So he's hanging
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: out with these guys. They should have known he was
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: a pervert.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 4: Look at him.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: Look at him. Look at his dress. Wonderful testicles.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 4: They probably didn't want to profile him.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: So that's the dude. Yeah. He's from the English Royal Navy.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: Portman. Maurice Vidal Portman. Yeah.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 4: Dude, those guys look built.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: Look at these guys fucking thrown. Those guys be doing
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: some sit-ups.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 4: Well, they're out there hustling.
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: I went to the Andaman Islands, which is right out there.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: That's where he originally landed.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And if you want to feel like you fell
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 4: off the face of the earth, you go to the
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: Andaman Islands. First of all, beautiful. I think if you
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 4: still like this, you can only get there from the
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 4: Indian city of Chennai or Calcutta because it's an Indian territory.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 4: They limit who can travel there. And there's– I mean
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 4: there's– they've brought elephants there because they didn't used to
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 4: have bulldozers and stuff. So the British brought elephants by
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 4: boat and there's these old archival photos of them lifting
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 4: off of like pirate ships and lifting elephants on the
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 4: rigging and then putting them, and now the Andaman Islands
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 4: have elephants.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 5: Whoa.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 4: And there's still people riding around on the elephants, you know,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 4: like moving trees off the road and doing things.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 4: But when you go from one place to the other place,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 4: exactly what you said, because they don't want human safaris,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 4: because they want to protect these indigenous people. you have
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 4: to go with a police escort to cross the Island
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 4: because you have to go through. And I meant the
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 4: police watch you like a Hawk. And I, you know,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 4: I take a picture of everything. I take 300 pictures
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: a day on my phone. And, uh, no, see if
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 4: you can see the elephants being lifted off of ships.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 4: It's there's a bunch of pictures here that are crazy.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: They're pulling logs.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, but this is, this is, you know, elephants
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 4: moving logs happens all the time, but there's literally.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: A picture of the elephants up on the riggings. Wow.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 4: And, uh, But, man, you drive through areas where there's
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 4: just these tiny little people with bows and arrows and
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 4: they're still out there. I got to go swimming with
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: an elephant there. Wow.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: That's so dope. Look at the elephant swimming. How cool
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: is that?
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's fucking awesome. There you go.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 4: Look at that.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: That's them lifting the elephants. The elephant's probably like, what
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: the fuck am I doing in the air? Yeah. Look
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: at that. Do they have to blindfold them? No, he's
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: not blindfolded. He's just painted.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 4: It's like decorated. They probably should have. Yeah, probably.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe the elephant would freak out. Boy, it takes
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: so much for an elephant to freak out and fucking
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: kill people. There's a horrible video of this guy abusing
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: an elephant. He's a trainer and he keeps.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 4: Whacking the elephant.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: And then the elephant goes, that's enough. And just stomps
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: him into a pancake.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 4: Or that video I sent you with the tiger.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: Which one? Where the tiger mauls the guy and you're like,
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: that's terrible. He kills him.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 4: And then the second shot is they show the guy
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 4: And he's still alive, but he's got slashes down.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: To his skull. Oh, yeah. Like... Just don't.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 4: Just... I mean, these animals are... You just don't push them.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 4: Especially not an elephant.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: Well, human beings just want to fuck with everything. That's
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: part of why we're on every fucking square inch of
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: the earth, practically. Practically. We want to fuck with everything.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: You know, it's... We're the weirdest animal ever because we're
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: on every fucking continent. We're everywhere. There's not another animal
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: like us. No.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: And... you know, all of us came from Africa, which
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: is even nuttier, right? So we emanated from Africa and
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: just spread out all over the world. As soon as
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: we figured out how to float, how to hike and
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: how to wear warm clothes, we just kept moving.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 4: And now are we going to figure out how to
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 4: not destroy the systems that keep us alive?
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: Right. And now we're talking about doing the same thing
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: on other planets.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 4: We're talking about it, but way before we start worrying
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 4: about other planets, I want to make sure that this
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 4: planet works. I mean, I'm just, I'm so every, every,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 4: I'm just, I'm, it drives me crazy how quickly everyone's going.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 4: I just, in, in the, in the, when I come
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 4: back to society so quickly, we're like, it's on people's minds.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 4: They're talking about this stuff. And I'm going, guys, the
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 4: ocean is filled with trash. Like the Amazon is burning.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 4: I'm like, can we just fix this? And there's areas
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 4: where we have, I mean, you know, this, like they
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 4: brought bulls back to Yellowstone, like New York's waters are
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 4: getting cleaner. The humpbacks are coming back. But, But everyone's
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 4: so– I mean but we haven't actually– when we get
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 4: to Mars, talk about it all day. But it's like
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 4: until then, I just feel like we are so overwhelmed
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 4: with serious problems here and the last chance in history
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 4: to fix those problems. So there's an amazing opportunity. And
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 4: I feel like people are so like this modern nothingness
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 4: that people feel where it's like, oh, it's the end
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 4: of times. And it's like, dude, this is the most
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 4: exciting time. You can fly everywhere. You got information at
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 4: your fingertips. There's more people than ever before working to
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 4: make good in the world, to help people, to save animals,
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 4: to restore ecosystems. And it's like, so I get confused
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 4: when I come back from what I feel is like battle.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 4: And I'm on this mission for 20 years to do
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 4: this one thing. And people are like, I'm just scrambled
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 4: and delirious. And I'm like, go outside.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get off your phone.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 4: Put your phone down. Go to the mountains. That John
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 4: Muir thing, you know, to the mountains. The mountains are
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 4: calling and I must go.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: Go. Close your phone.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 4: Go touch grass for a while. Actually, that was one
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 4: of the favorite. I forget what I. I posted a
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 4: video of me with this huge anaconda around me and
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 4: I'm holding her head as a 20-foot anaconda. One of
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 4: the comments was this guy. He was like, dude, you've
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 4: touched enough grass. Go back inside.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: Go watch Netflix.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like, that's enough.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: You're the opposite. You've gone too far.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 4: You've gone too far. Interesting use of free will.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: What was fascinating to me when people were trying to
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: save things and by saving things, they don't realize that
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: they're actually fucking things up far worse than saving them. Well,
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: there's a good example. I think it's the Mojave Desert.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: where they just now, California and all their infinite wisdom,
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: decided to build this immense solar farm out in the desert.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: I saved it. I'll send it to you, Jamie. It
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: is so crazy. So they decided to build this immense
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: solar farm. It turns out this solar farm, because it's
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: got mirrors that point towards these solar panels, it's incinerating 6,000
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: birds a year. incinerating 6,000 birds of fucking gear. Which
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: is like, what does that even mean? Like, how is
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: that even... So it's a death ray. A fucking death ray. God,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: I know I saved it. Where did I save it?
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: I got it, though. Oh, you got it? I mean,
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know which article you got. It's okay. Pull
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: up any of the articles. But, I mean, when you
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: look at it, it heats up to a thousand fucking degrees.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: The Mojave Desert. Yeah. Well, they just shut it down.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: So it's concentrated sunlight. Solar power towers use mirrors to
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: focus sunlight onto a receiver, creating extremely high temperature. The
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: problem is they're fucking killing birds like a motherfucker. Just
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: like those ugly windmill farms. Those things are a blight
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: on the face of the earth. When you drive to
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: South Texas, a buddy of mine has a ranch down there.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: Look at that. A Mojave Desert solar plant kills 6,000
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: birds a year. I think that– That's from 2016. They
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: just recently shut it down. They've spent billions on this
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: fucking thing. And it's not generating nearly the amount of
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: solar power that they were hoping. It turns birds into
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: fucking fireballs like instantly. But when you drive down to
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: South Texas, they have these– that's what it looks like.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy? Yeah.
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: Look at that. Isn't that nuts?
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to stop spreading out.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: We're so stupid.
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 4: We got to stop spreading out.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: But that's like, who said that's a good idea? And counterintuitively,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: nuclear power is like the best for the environment. Yeah.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: Which is people think, no, Three Mile Island, no, Chernobyl.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 4: They just call it something else.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: If you just rebrand it, stop calling it nuclear. Well,
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: they just have to realize that the old, like the
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: Fukushima plants, they fucked the whole area up forever. Those
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: are old. That's a plant that I think went live
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: in the 1970s. The new technology, you can have solar
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: power and it's– or excuse me, nuclear power and it's clean.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 4: But I think people are scared of the word nuclear.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 4: I'm saying if you came out and you called it
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 4: like a something-something plant.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: We got to get over it. We got to get
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: over that hump. But that's– it's just– Human beings– but
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: there's this constant battle, right? There's a battle of good
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: and evil. Yes, there is. And there's also a battle
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: of ignorance and information. And it goes back and forth.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 1: And the only way to educate people is sometimes you
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: have these brave people that are responding to this intense
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: amount of ignorance and they have to go out there
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: and say, no, that's not it. It's this. And there's
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: this huge societal narrative, this huge cultural narrative that they
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: have to fight against.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 4: Which is almost impossible to undo. I mean when you
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 4: realize there's something that everybody has wrong.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 4: Or you realize that there's something– I mean the amount–
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 4: because then you got to get the message to everybody.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: How do you do that? Right.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 4: Then you got to make them care about it.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 4: I mean it's just– it's wild to.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: But that's us. That's the battle. There's always this like–
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: I think you need those things in order for us
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: to push progress. You need something to fight against. Like
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: think about where you would be if you didn't have
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: this thing to push against. Like there's– it's not that
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: the thing is good but it is bad but it
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: creates good people that push against it. And this is
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: the constant battle of the human spirit. We're always engaged
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: in this battle to right wrongs and to figure things
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: out and to make things better that are bad and
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 1: then to realize that. oh, we're making it way worse.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: Someone has to come along and course correct. And then,
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 1: you know, it's usually a few brave people that are
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: pushing back against this tidal wave of negativity and ignorance.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: The tidal wave of negativity is wild.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 4: The The grief is just– it's like a poison peddled
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 4: by the darkness. It's like they want you sad and disoriented.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 4: I just feel like so many people now when I
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 4: come back, they're downtrodden by the– just the buzz of
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 4: the news and everything. I'm like, listen, like choose something
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 4: that you care about and work on it.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 4: Or just pick that one thing.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: Be the good you want to see in the world.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 4: Be the good you want to see in the world.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 4: And it's like I'm in this unique position because I'm
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 4: contacted now all day long. by people that want to
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 4: help us protect the rainforest that people who want to
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 4: use that blueprint to do it somewhere else and we're
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 4: on the cusp of doing this so I'm surrounded by
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 4: I get a lot of positive people with innovations people
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 4: with ideas people I mean even you know everyone says
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 4: oh why can't the billionaires and it's like we get
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 4: people who have money and they come in and they're
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 4: like I'll help you get that piece of land that'll
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 4: be protected I get reinforced all the time people go
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 4: the world's going to shit and I'm like the world's
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 4: amazing people are helping Yeah. And it's like I've seen
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 4: so much good done.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: It really is all what you're focusing on. That's the
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: very thing– unique thing about today is that you're inundated
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: with so much information and we generally tend to gravitate
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: towards the things that are terrifying and the things that
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: are dangerous, that scare us. And so you're paying attention
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: to the news of literally eight billion people.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 4: Which is not natural.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: It's not normal.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 4: We're supposed to know about our village. And maybe the
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 4: next village.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 4: And so like that's one– I had a friend. Did
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 4: you hear about the flood that happened in Bangladesh? I
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 4: was like, what are you– my sympathy. But like there's
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 4: always a flood happening. The world is gigantic. There's 8
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 4: billion people.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 4: And so like– There's.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: Only so much you can pay attention to.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 4: There's only so much you can pay attention to.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: But if you have a phone, all the bad stuff
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: is coming into your pocket.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think a lot of the– it's funny
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 4: because a lot of the people, like the adults are–
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 4: People are worried about the kids. I think the adults
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 4: are worse.
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of them.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 1: And a lot of them, they're searching for meaning. And
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: so they find meaning in activism or in pseudo activism
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: and yelling about things online and then maybe going out
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: into the street and screaming at people. And they think
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 1: that that gives meaning to their life. You know, there's
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that just feel like really lost.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: And this kid, strange concrete culture concrete and electronic culture
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: that we've created it doesn't give you the fulfillment that
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: the natural world does i mean i'm sure it's one
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: of the draws that you have to the jungle is
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 1: that living out there in nature is wildly fulfilling because
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: it's normal it's like it It fills in all the
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 1: slots that you have evolved to have like as a
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: human being. We have always lived in coordination with nature
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 1: up until fairly recently. If human beings have been alive
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: in this form for half a million years, how long
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 1: have we been in cities? How long have we been
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: in– Even agriculture, a few thousand years.
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 4: Temperature-controlled rooms.
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 4: With a little noise box constantly stressing us out.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: Also, Wi-Fi and EMF signals. I was just reading this
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: fucking crazy thing. Have you paid attention to this, Jamie,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: about the 49ers? About San Francisco? Isn't that fucking nuts? Yeah,
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: go ahead. They think it's real. So there's a disproportionate
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: amount of severe catastrophic injuries that come out of San Francisco,
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: and their training facility is right outside this power station.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, way more Achilles tendon blows out, blown out,
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: way more knees blown out, way more, like, catastrophic ligament
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 1: and tendon ruptures. Like, and they've been talking about it since, like,
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: The players started talking about it in like 2012 I
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: believe and people are like, oh, that's nonsense. And now
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: the stats are in and you're looking at the amount
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: of injuries that come from this area. It's like it's
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: not normal.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 4: And so you think what? They're getting weakened by the water, by.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: The– Electricity.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 4: Electricity.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the EMF signal. I mean it's– look, EMF
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: signals we know disrupt human beings. But to what extent?
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 1: Like to what extent does LED lights and to what extent?
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: Is it minimal? Do you feel it? Does it have
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 1: a long-term effect? Does it take forever until it actually compounds?
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 1: But they're looking at the data from this one training facility.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: See if you can find something on it. A lot
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: of stories have come out this week about it where
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: people are starting to gather up all the data. And
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, this is not normal. This is like
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: a much higher percentage of severe injuries from this one camp.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: Which doesn't make any sense.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 4: Well, it's like that Erin Brockovich thing where it's like
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 4: you find a place where a lot of people are
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 4: getting the same kind of cancer and it's like there's
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 4: a reason.
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 1: So what does it say here at the top of
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: the article? What's the article say? It's just about it.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 4: It's about the whole thing. It explains.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: So is it true? What is this from? How long
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: ago is this?
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 4: Two weeks ago. Yes, two days ago.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. The injury conspiracy theory and is it true? So–
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 1: What is this? This is USA Today.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: I just skipped ahead to the... The so-called mechanisms have
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: not been established. Many of the experiments are contradictory. Many
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: of the experiments have exposures that either don't relate specifically
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: to 50 or 60 hertz magnetic fields. It's a topic
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 1: that will likely resurface or any major injuries during the
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl at Levi's Stadium February 8th in Santa Clara.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: Is Santa Clara near there? That's where they play their games.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: That's where they play the game. But is that the
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: training facility? The idea is that it's near the training facility. Right.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 4: And I don't, that's again, that's, this is.
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: So that's where the electrical substation is. And there's the field.
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, cut the shit.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: That's, that can't be good. So it's literally radiating onto them.
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: That can't be good. But I don't think it's going
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: to affect the game. You know what I'm saying? I
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 1: think it's like being there all the time, practicing there
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: all the time is what's going to weaken their bodies.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: Without checking.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know what.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: Unless that's where they practice, I don't see a large
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: practice facility. Well, look at the fucking multi-use fields right there.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 4: I know they don't practice on those fields generally.
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 1: Right, but they use the fields. I mean, they must
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 1: practice there.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 4: This could just be a park. That's why I've got
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 4: to look up where they practice.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Daily Rams don't practice next to SoFi Stadium.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine it's good for you. I mean, there's
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: also– okay, we'll find this out. Is there any truth
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: to power lines and people living under power lines having
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 1: increased rates of cancer? Because I've heard that that's true. Yeah.
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, in environmental college, that was– there's numerous giant
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 4: class action lawsuits for people that were living under high-tension
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 4: power lines. And, I mean, I actually– I knew someone
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 4: who– I mean, I've been to the places where I
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 4: did for my senior project I was doing where we
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 4: went to the areas where they were fracking. Remember that
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 4: documentary where they.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 1: Were lighting the water on fire? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 3: Gasland.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: Great documentary. Yes.
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 4: And those people were screaming. They're trying to get the
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 4: attention to say this is not good. And, of course,
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 4: the companies come in and they go, we'll give you
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 4: $ 2 million if we let us drill on your land.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 4: And these are people that need the money.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 4: And then a few years later, all of their kids
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 4: have cancer.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: Pull that back up again, please. So we put it
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: into our sponsor, Perplexity. There's some limited evidence, a small
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: increase in childhood leukemia risk. Very close high voltage power lines.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: But overall, the lick is weak. Not clearly causal and
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: typically residential exposures are considered within safety guidelines. So the
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 1: thing is like who is– one of the things about
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 1: perplexity or any large language model is you've got to
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 1: get the information from online and who's publishing this information.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 1: So it's like there's only so much of it that's available.
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: But possibly carcinogenic is a weak category. So– So it
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: says International Agency for Research in Cancer classifies extremely low
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: frequency magnetic fields like those from power lines as possibly
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: carcinogenic to humans, mainly because of the childhood leukemia data.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: Fuck that, dude.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 4: That's wild.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just fuck that. I would never buy a house
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: that's near them. What are you looking for? I just
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 1: realized what that is. It's a molar. Yeah, I just
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: realized what that is. This is from my buddy John
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 1: Reese from Alaska.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 4: That's that guy.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 4: That's incredible.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: Incredible. Actually, no. This one is from Colossal. So that's
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: a– This is the company that's bringing the woolly mammoth back.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those guys.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: This piece is from my buddy John Reese. That's a molar.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 4: That's cool.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a tooth.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 4: That's gorgeous.
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: But that's how many of them they have that they could.
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 4: Turn into art.
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: That they're just starting to make it into art. Yeah. Well,
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 1: I have a pool cue that has woolly mammoth ivory
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: in it.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 4: Dude, look at that.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 1: Look at that texture.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: Isn't that nuts? That is so beautiful. Something 10,000 years
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 1: ago used that to mash down vegetables. Wow.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 4: That is a gorgeous piece.
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 1: You know about the Boneyard, right?
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 1: No. You were the first time you told me all
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: about it. Incredible place. That's amazing. Shout out to my boy,
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: John Reeves. Yeah.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 4: I would love to go there.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, you should, dude.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 4: I would love to.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 4: That's just so fascinating.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: The Colossal guys have been up there. Quite a few
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: people have been up there to explore. I think- No, Randall?
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: Did Randall Carlson go up there? I think he's either
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: gone there or is going there.
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to make the intro for me.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 1: I would love to go see that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 1: I'll set that up. He's always trying to get me
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: to go out there too. I just don't have the time.
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: But what a phenomenal play. By the way, he's found
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 1: a new site. He's found a new site up there
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: that has more bones. Yeah, I mean it's– he's, you're
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 1: talking about an area that's only about four to six
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 1: acres that he's been exploring.
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 4: And he's got other deposits, right?
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: It's like massive deposits, thousands of animals, including animals that
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: weren't even supposed to be there.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That's so cool.
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 1: Crazy. And a thick layer of carbon that indicates that
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: fucking place was on fire. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 4: I mean that, when you find fossils in the water,
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 4: there's nothing like finding fossils. I remember the first time
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 4: I found like a little shell. And then, like I said, we,
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 4: Not that long ago, we found like a seven foot
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 4: turtle shell, thick, thick, thick, like black, fossilized in the
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 4: river basin in the Amazon. The river was especially low
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 4: and it was just, you know, it was half out,
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 4: like a crashed alien spaceship. Like it was just this
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 4: huge thing. And it was like, you get this sense,
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 4: you get that tactile visceral sense of like, whoa, these
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 4: used to be here.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: You know what they found in China recently?
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 4: What'd they find?
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: They found dinosaur eggs that the inside of them is
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 1: all crystals now.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: It's crystallized.
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 4: Is it like a crystallized baby velociraptor?
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 1: No, it's just basically all crystal. Just crystal, like a geode. Yeah.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: But it's a dinosaur egg. It's just over millions and
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 1: millions of years.
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 4: They're probably making art out of that right now.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing with it. I think
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: it's fairly recent, this discovery. At least the article that
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 1: I read was fairly recent about it. But it's just crazy.
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: So much cool shit. Oh, there's so much cool shit
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 4: We're on such a cool planet.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: So here it is. A 70-million-year-old dinosaur egg contains a
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 1: sparkling crystal. Surprise. Isn't that nuts? It's turned into crystals.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 4: How did you even know that was a dinosaur egg?
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: Grapefruit-sized dinosaur egg from a fossil bed in China gave
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 1: paleontologists a huge surprise. Rather than a dinosaur embryo or sediment,
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: it was filled with sparkling crystals of calcite lining the
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: inner shell. A natural dinosaur geode. A rare occurrence provides
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: researchers with unique information on the structure of the shell.
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 1: In this case, a never-before-seen oos species, O-O-S-O-O species, species
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 1: of egg named– oh, boy. Good luck pronouncing that. Identified
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 1: in a 22 paper led by paleontologist Quing He of
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: Anhui University in China. Not only that, it's– Among the
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: first dinosaur eggs, or evidence of any dinosaurs for that matter,
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: found in the roughly 70 million year old upper Cretaceous
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: Christian formation of the Quichon Basin. Wow.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 4: That's insane.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: Fucking A, man. Dinosaur eggs that are filled with, look
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 1: at that, crystals.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 4: Beautiful.
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 1: It looks like a geode. It's a dinosaur egg. Nuts.
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 4: That's insane.
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 1: Nuts. That's wild. The world's a wild place, my brother.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 1: The world is a really, really wild place. You know
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 1: more than anybody.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what. I've been trying to see as much
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 4: of it as I can and save as much of
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 4: it as I can.
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're out there and I'm glad you're
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 1: still alive because you freak me out every now and
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 1: then when you send me messages. I'm worried about your
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 1: safety and I need someone to train me to use
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 1: a gun. I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, we're dealing
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 1: with the narco people. Oh, Jesus Christ.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 4: Well, we're closer than we've ever have been. thank you
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 4: for how much you've been able to help us get
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 4: that message out. This, this, this book is 20 years
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 4: of the wildest shit. It's the story of how Jane
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 4: and how we, I went, how I met JJ, how
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 4: we found the Anacondas, all the, all the, everything that
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 4: led to this. I mean, how, how, I mean, you
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 4: talked about when you started out, I mean, just being
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 4: a kid and you have a dream. And I mean,
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 4: I went to the Amazon. I just wanted to see
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 4: the Amazon. That was, that was the dream. I never
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 4: in a million years imagined that I'd get to go
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 4: on these adventures, see these animals. And then now that
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 4: we're on the cusp of protecting an entire river, I mean,
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 4: the wildest dreams that me as a kid had couldn't
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 4: even touch this. And so it's a fun book to
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 4: be sharing with people. Pretty fucking dope, my brother. And
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 4: the book is Jungle Keeper, What It Takes to Change
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 4: the World.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 1: Paul Rosalie. Available now. Thank you, my friend.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 4: I think you're in there.
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Always great to see you.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 4: It's the best.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 1: Let's do it again. Thank you, brother. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.