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No Vaccine is Required for Improved Health | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Jim Wilfare the Battle
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Speaker 1: of Ideas. I didn't just by the way, I don't
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Speaker 1: have any notes because I've spoken to you so often.
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Speaker 2: That okay, well we'll just swing it it flows have
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Speaker 2: notes either, But I don't know what you want to
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Speaker 2: talk about. I guess we'll find out gardening. We could
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Speaker 2: do that. I'm a real expert in that area.
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Speaker 1: All right, Roman vis, Jiannick. Thank you for joining me
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Speaker 1: in the Strangers.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me again. How's everything?
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Speaker 1: You know? You have been on my show so many times.
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Speaker 1: I think you probably now in the top five.
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Speaker 2: Maybe do I get frequent flyer miles or something?
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Speaker 1: Well? Yes, but but why would you want to fly
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Speaker 1: to South Africa.
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Speaker 2: I'm in the US, so I don't know. I'm thinking
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Speaker 2: about it.
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Speaker 1: You haven't been to you haven't been to the African continent,
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Speaker 1: have you?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: Okay, you need to change that. You need to change that.
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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. I don't know. Yeah, maybe there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of places I'd like to go to.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this is this is the ultimate thing. Though.
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Speaker 1: When you have a few choices, why would you why
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Speaker 1: would you go to Africa? But I will say this,
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Speaker 1: though we don't have much to offer, but if you
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Speaker 1: do want.
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Speaker 2: A teology, I want to go now.
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Speaker 1: But if you do want a wildlife experience, there are
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Speaker 1: very few places in the world that can give you
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Speaker 1: that here. I think you can probably get that in Kenya,
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Speaker 1: maybe a couple of other African countries, but I mean, genuinely,
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Speaker 1: Africa is where you'll find that experience.
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Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of wildlife here in the malls,
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Speaker 2: just the pretty wild. Now I don't know what I
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Speaker 2: don't know what life forms they are, but you know,
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Speaker 2: it's pretty exciting. I don't really go to malls very much.
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Speaker 1: Well, listen, Roman, there's absolutely no segue. Yeah, but I'll
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Speaker 1: just randomly go into what I wanted to chat to
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Speaker 1: you about, which of course generally links to vaccines. And
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Speaker 1: as you know, and I've said this almost every time
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Speaker 1: you've been on my show, and I love saying it
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Speaker 1: because it really is a great thing, but your work
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Speaker 1: has profoundly impacted not just my life, but my wife's life,
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Speaker 1: and most importantly, my son's life because he's not vaccinated,
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Speaker 1: and my upcoming son, who is due to arrive later
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Speaker 1: this year, will also not be vac.
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Speaker 2: Congratulations, that's exciting.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, when does you do September?
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Speaker 1: September? Yeah, boy, I'll have two boys, just just a little
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Speaker 1: week clear.
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Speaker 2: Great. Although, having said that, the tre factor, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Going to wait until they turn seven before they tell
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Speaker 1: us what gender they are.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's good. You can you can check under the hood, though,
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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you can. Look, it's okay.
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Speaker 1: Apparently that's a terrible determinant.
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Speaker 2: It is. Oh, I don't know, maybe it's not. You know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: This is this is the this is this is the
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Speaker 1: post modern area we live in. Now, you know that
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Speaker 1: you know that that little thing under the hood doesn't
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Speaker 1: say anything about the kids gender?
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Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I guess sometimes it doesn't because you can
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Speaker 2: have both sometimes rarely and all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: But you know, generally it's a pretty good indicator.
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Speaker 1: I would say, generally speaking throughout.
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Speaker 2: History, generally speaking. Did you say genderly, Well.
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Speaker 1: That's a that's a missed opportunity.
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Speaker 2: That sounds like another cartoon.
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Speaker 1: Man, I can't believe I missed that. No, but listen again,
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Speaker 1: dissolving illusions has been I've actually I've actually got Yeah,
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Speaker 1: hang on, let me grab.
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Speaker 2: Them, because its just into the void.
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Speaker 1: Because not only have I got uh, the main the
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Speaker 1: main one, which is the tenth anniversary by the way,
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Speaker 1: I think that.
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Speaker 2: Is but I know, but be crazy, but because it's.
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Speaker 1: So thick, I got that one too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it was all going to go in one
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Speaker 2: and I was like, well, that's not going to happen.
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Speaker 2: It would have been this thick.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've got the I've got the main book,
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Speaker 1: and then I've got the book that's basically just all
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Speaker 1: the references.
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Speaker 2: Have you paged through the companion?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like insane quotes in there and insane timelines
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Speaker 2: and just like, well wow, I was The reason I
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Speaker 2: wrote that is because I had a timeline for the
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Speaker 2: original Dissolving Illusions, and then I stumbled across it when
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Speaker 2: I started working on this other project, and I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I forgot about the timeline. It was already like forty
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Speaker 2: pages long, so I figured, well, I should update that
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Speaker 2: for some reason, and then it just ended up I
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Speaker 2: have all the quotes, maybe I should put them all
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Speaker 2: into another book.
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Speaker 1: So I did the thing with Dissolving Illusions though, and
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Speaker 1: just to be clear, it's you and Susanne Humphries, the
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Speaker 1: two of you.
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Speaker 2: No, I wrote it all. She just she just takes
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Speaker 2: all the credit. Well, she's the one who was no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: she's great.
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Speaker 1: She was the one who was an erosion. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: gave you the cold shoulder.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I don't really care. It didn't
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Speaker 2: matter to me. It doesn't matter. But but no, no,
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Speaker 2: it was really a collaborative effort. It really was. I'm
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Speaker 2: just joking around. She's quite brilliant.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm also joking, but I'm not joking about the
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Speaker 1: vaccine pot though. That See, that's the part that changed,
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Speaker 1: that changed everything. I was. I was chatting to a
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Speaker 1: doctor friend of mine. He's quite a normally, I guess,
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Speaker 1: in the medical space. And unfortunately, I think this is
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Speaker 1: the case with you know, most people in the medical
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Speaker 1: field that they don't really want to rock the boat
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Speaker 1: too much. And I understand that. But he's open and
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Speaker 1: I said, look, I got this great book. Because he's
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Speaker 1: also expecting a child, So I've got this great book
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Speaker 1: called Dissolving Illusions. It doesn't tell you what to do,
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Speaker 1: but it just looks at daughta.
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Speaker 2: Well, it does hint at it north towards the end.
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Speaker 2: But no, I mean when I started this, I was like,
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Speaker 2: you know, anormy. I believed in vaccines. I had no
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Speaker 2: reason not to. I don't even know where I knew that,
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Speaker 2: because I don't remember it being todded or anything, but
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Speaker 2: it was essentially, oh, I know, vaccines are great. They
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Speaker 2: got rid of all these diseases and we're not experiencing
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Speaker 2: plagues and we're not all done in the streets. So
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Speaker 2: that's what I used to think until I saw my
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Speaker 2: first chart and saying, well, that disturbed me.
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Speaker 1: It's exactly right, That's what I was saying to my doctor,
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Speaker 1: and I said, look, have a looked through the book.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is Daughta. This is all official Daughta. Right,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing, yeah, you know, there's nothing that's been manipulated.
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Speaker 1: It just it's just nicely looking drafts. But it's all
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Speaker 1: the same source information. And he's absolutely I'll have a look.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's all the quotes, which when we wrote it,
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Speaker 2: I insisted we just have all quotes instead of me paraphrasing,
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Speaker 2: paraphrasing and paraphrasing, so you could just read what people
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Speaker 2: wrote about in the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds or
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Speaker 2: even earlier, and that way you can just read through
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Speaker 2: the quote and go, oh, okay, somebody said that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: all the data is the data, and once you look
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Speaker 2: at all the data, you can't unsee it.
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Speaker 1: I just want to point out you say data and
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Speaker 1: I say data, data, but I've got the British web
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Speaker 1: of saying it because of us being a form of
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Speaker 1: form of data.
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Speaker 2: I think I got Perma Life, Star Trek, you know,
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Speaker 2: you know, so you know it was data, right, wasn't
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Speaker 2: It wasn't, mister data.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how. I wonder how that came about the
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Speaker 1: I mean the British. The British we have speaking, I
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Speaker 1: suppose is the way we speak. I wonder how you
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Speaker 1: guys ended up with such a different way of speaking.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. There's always a little changes, you know,
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Speaker 2: so I don't know. Things happen, language shifts. Yes, When
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Speaker 2: I was reading the text from the sixteen unders, it's like, oh,
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Speaker 2: that was really difficult to understand what they're saying. Then
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Speaker 2: by the seventeen hundred's a little bit better. Eighteen hundreds
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Speaker 2: mostly you could understand all of it. Everyone While I
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Speaker 2: was like term, so, like what does that mean? So
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Speaker 2: it takes a while to get used to it. The
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Speaker 2: thing is, I'm still reading that stuff, yes, of course.
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Speaker 2: But the thing I was saying to my doctor friend
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Speaker 2: is we it's a very strange phenomenon Roman, but we
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Speaker 2: will know everything about our new phone, but we'll know
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Speaker 2: nothing about what we inject into our kids. Well that's true,
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Speaker 2: but you're programmed or through society is to trust the
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Speaker 2: trust the experts. And this has been going on for
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Speaker 2: hundreds of years. So people always defer to doctors for
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Speaker 2: medical so they would, you know, trust the doctor even
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Speaker 2: if they were doing things like the hot regiment and
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Speaker 2: sticking you in a hot room and you know, bleeding
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Speaker 2: you and giving you mercury, and which we now go,
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Speaker 2: well that's ridiculous, But this is you know, you believe
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Speaker 2: that's the correct course because somebody told you to think
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Speaker 2: that way, right, So you always follow the experts, and
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Speaker 2: that's what we ended up a lot of problems because
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Speaker 2: then the experts have power, and they have prestige, and
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Speaker 2: they have profits, and then they influenced the legislators and boom,
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Speaker 2: there you go. Then you have compulsory vaccination, you have
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Speaker 2: people being bled still still into the eighteen hundreds, the
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Speaker 2: hot regimen, which was a horrifying thing to go through,
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Speaker 2: where they would stick you in a hot room and
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Speaker 2: keep you there without any water, and the idea was
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Speaker 2: to sweat the disease out, you know, will you sweating
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Speaker 2: your life out? So they had all these ideas that
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Speaker 2: they thought were you know, they thought they were legit,
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Speaker 2: and then once something gets embedded, it just stays and
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Speaker 2: you can't get rid of it. Even when doctors are
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Speaker 2: writing about these things, it's like, wait, this this thing
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Speaker 2: is bad, and this thing it takes decades for it
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Speaker 2: to go away. And some things persisted, like vaccination. Vaccination
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Speaker 2: was actually fading out by the end of the end
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Speaker 2: of eighteen huns early nineteen hundreds, it was the popular
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Speaker 2: support for it collapsed. They just you know, people were
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Speaker 2: doing less and less of it, and the only vaccine
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Speaker 2: then was for smallpox, and so it slowly just faded
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Speaker 2: away until they regenerated in the nineteen twenties and said, whoa,
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Speaker 2: we can have other vaccines, and they created a whole
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Speaker 2: slew of vaccines and they basically took control with all
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Speaker 2: the new ideas, which was unfortunate because if it hadn't
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Speaker 2: done that, we would have continued more on the health
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Speaker 2: route instead of the medical and aventure route.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you just think about it for
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Speaker 1: ten seconds, ignore all the data, just think about this.
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Speaker 1: Where did this idea come from that an injection in
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Speaker 1: the arm can give you long term health benefits.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it started out not as an injection. It started
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Speaker 2: out as this is in the seventeen hundreds. Well, they
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Speaker 2: wanted to get somebody to have smallpox. This is the
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Speaker 2: initial original inoculation. They wanted somebody to have smallpox in
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Speaker 2: a controlled setting so they wouldn't have smallpox later and
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Speaker 2: you know, have it very severe. So they would scratch
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Speaker 2: your arm repeatedly and put this puss from somebody else's
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Speaker 2: arm who had smallpox. And sometimes it worked. You know,
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Speaker 2: you got really sick, and they treated your sickness with
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Speaker 2: various different methods, and sometimes it didn't. Sometimes you just
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Speaker 2: died from that. As you might imagine, you're putting puss
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Speaker 2: in somebody's arm, right, And that continued on and until
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Speaker 2: the end of the seventeen when this new guy came
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Speaker 2: along and said, well, we shouldn't use pusters from a
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Speaker 2: smallpox person. We're going to use it from this animal
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Speaker 2: and call it, you know, cop coppox, and so that
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Speaker 2: became a big fat and it took off, and it
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Speaker 2: was still doing the same thing. It was still scratching
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Speaker 2: onto your arm and put the puss in and hopefully
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Speaker 2: you would just have cop pox, which was supposed to
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Speaker 2: be super mild and it would protect you for life. Well,
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Speaker 2: there's no evidence of that at all. He just made
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Speaker 2: it up. This guy, Edward Jenerary just made it up.
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Speaker 2: He may have believed it, or it's maybe just a shyster.
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Speaker 2: I'm not really sure. But so people believed it. The
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Speaker 2: original tests were flawed, and so people believe those tests,
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Speaker 2: and it took off, and it became embedded into medical knowledge,
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Speaker 2: and so you couldn't get rid of it. Even after
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Speaker 2: the first few years. There were doctors that wrote about
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Speaker 2: it and said, wait, this is not working. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: vaccinated twelve hundred patients and they're getting smallpox. It's not working.
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Speaker 2: It didn't matter. They wrote about it. But there's too
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Speaker 2: many people who had too much momentum, and so it
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Speaker 2: continued on until the end of the eighteen hunders really
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Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds, and even now it was still credited
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Speaker 2: with wiping out smallpox. So yeah, it's it's a mythology.
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Speaker 2: Mythology gets embedded. It's hard to get rid of it.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Jenna listened to this. I've pulled up some
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Speaker 1: someting interesting trivia here. But in seventeen ninety six he
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Speaker 1: basically coined the definition of a vaccine, and yes, what
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Speaker 1: vaccine meant. Originally, the very first definition car pox material
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Speaker 1: used to protect against smallpox.
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Speaker 2: That was it was called yeah right, yeah, it was
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Speaker 2: called carpoxing. But then they you know, cor poxing sounds,
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Speaker 2: you know, not so great, so.
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Speaker 1: They cowpoxing, cow poxing.
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Speaker 2: Hey I got a cop I got I got cow
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Speaker 2: pox Today it sounds like a game. Really, yeah, changed,
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Speaker 2: they changed it up to vodka, which is Latin for cow,
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Speaker 2: so they call it vaccination. You know. There you go, well,
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Speaker 2: listen to this. They made it sound they said, made
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Speaker 2: it sound fancy. Now doctors like doing that, you know,
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Speaker 2: they can make it sound fancy, so it's it's more acceptable.
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Speaker 1: Well, in just under one hundred years or almost a
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Speaker 1: hundred years later, shall I say, the definition changed thanks
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Speaker 1: to Louis Pasture, and yes, what the definition became. This
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Speaker 1: is not in the eighteen eighties, a vaccine meant any
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Speaker 1: biological preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen used to
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Speaker 1: stimulate immunity against a disease.
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Speaker 2: Right, that's kind of the deficient we have. Now wait
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Speaker 2: they changed it around me.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there's more, Yeah, there's more. So then that kind
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Speaker 1: of stayed through the twentieth century and then in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty one.
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Speaker 2: Right, oh well, now now it's absurd.
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Speaker 1: Well okay, hold on, So this was pre September twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty one, so the definition officially was, according to the CDC,
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Speaker 1: a product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce
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Speaker 1: immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.
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Speaker 1: Then after September twenty twenty one, just coincidentally, when the
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Speaker 1: COVID vaccines were not working, the CDC officially changed the
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Speaker 1: definition and this became international. The definition of a vaccine
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Speaker 1: is now right, as you're not talking right now, he
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Speaker 1: has the definition of vaccine a preparation that is used
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Speaker 1: to stimulate the body's immune response against diseases. So it's
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Speaker 1: no longer it's no longer by immunity.
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Speaker 2: Sure sure, sure, yeah, it changes, you know, to fit
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Speaker 2: whatever they need to have happened, So we got products
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Speaker 2: for this. That the other thing, well, let's use that.
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Speaker 2: Let's call it a vaccine, because they know a vaccine.
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Speaker 2: The word vaccine is magical on most people's minds. It's
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Speaker 2: going to protect you. That's the only people that's the
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Speaker 2: only thing people really know.
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Speaker 1: No, but yes, what's weird.
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Speaker 2: That's why you would line up for that and not
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Speaker 2: a gene altering therapy. Oh, I don't want to do that.
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Speaker 2: That's a vaccine. Okay, give it to me.
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Speaker 1: But yes, the funny thing or not funny, it's actually sad.
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Speaker 1: I was talking to my doctor friend and he said,
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Speaker 1: but hold on, because I was, you know, telling him
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Speaker 1: about dissolving illusions. And he said, look, we just need
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Speaker 1: to clear something. The definition of a vaccine is not
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Speaker 1: to prevent disease. Now that was the definition actually of
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Speaker 1: a vaccine. He says, no, no, it's actually just to
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Speaker 1: make it less severe, which of course is now the definition.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so insane. So then my response is, yeah,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. Now I was going to say some my
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Speaker 1: response or simply, well, if you want to make a
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Speaker 1: disease less severe, how about just living a healthy life.
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Speaker 2: That's that's that's where's the money in that you're going
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Speaker 2: to say that happened with a small box vaccine. It
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Speaker 2: was Jenner said, it's perfectly safe and will last you
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Speaker 2: for life. Well, after a couple of decades, people had
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Speaker 2: to admit, well, it doesn't really protect you for life,
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Speaker 2: so we're going to have to call do something else.
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Speaker 2: It's called revaccination. So they came up with that idea
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Speaker 2: and it's like, well, it doesn't protect you for life,
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Speaker 2: but it still protects you, so we just have to
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Speaker 2: do more of it. Well, that didn't work, so then
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Speaker 2: it became well, you're less likely to get sick and
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Speaker 2: less likely to die. So they started playing with statistics,
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Speaker 2: and so it had slowly changed over time until really
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Speaker 2: the late like eighteen seventy two that was really basically
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Speaker 2: a pandemic of smallpox and people were dying like flies
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Speaker 2: despite being vaccinated. Then I was like, well, maybe we're
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Speaker 2: just not doing it right. Maybe the practitioners didn't do
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Speaker 2: this right, maybe it's not the right source. And then
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Speaker 2: so they just kept on like excusing whenever there was
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Speaker 2: a failure, because you couldn't get rid of the original
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Speaker 2: premise right because Edward Jenner was held up as a
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Speaker 2: you know, a deity of that point. And just to
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Speaker 2: be specific, they were still scratching your arm and taking
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Speaker 2: puss from somebody else's arm who got it from somebody
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Speaker 2: else's arm, who originally got it from a cow or
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Speaker 2: a horse, or even somebody who had died from small
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Speaker 2: pucks that they scratched onto a cow to make vaccine material.
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Speaker 2: So you would get it from somebody else that was
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Speaker 2: supposed to be a vaxiniffer, which I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I'm pronouncing that correctly, was the source of your vaccine material,
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Speaker 2: And so you would get it scratched onto your arm,
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Speaker 2: and they would take this sharp knife called the lancet
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Speaker 2: and cut, cut and smear it in and then off
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Speaker 2: you went and you were protected. That was kind of
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Speaker 2: the idea. Of course, sometimes you died. Sometimes you end
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Speaker 2: up with other conditions. Sometimes you would lose your arm.
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Speaker 2: You could get these big open sores. So, as you
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Speaker 2: might imagine, no one would do this today. You wouldn't say, well,
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to cut your arm with a knife
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Speaker 2: and take puss from Bob's arm and smear it onto
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Speaker 2: your arm, and off you go. No alcohol, nothing, Off
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Speaker 2: you go. You'll be fine, and a lot of people weren't.
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Speaker 2: But that was basically just kind of discarded. So now
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Speaker 2: we can just kind of laugh about it, but it
19:12
Speaker 2: was pretty pretty ridiculous. Later they converted to a hypodermic
19:16
Speaker 2: needle that was later eighteen hundreds, So for one hundred
19:19
Speaker 2: years is basically a scratching puffs unto your arm. Great,
19:22
Speaker 2: you know that's got to be healthy for you. Yeah,
19:25
Speaker 2: once you know that, it's like, who would do this?
19:28
Speaker 2: It's like nutty? But then again, who would bleed people
19:31
Speaker 2: to the point of fainting? Or who would give people
19:33
Speaker 2: mercury or arsenic or strychnine? Who would do these things?
19:37
Speaker 2: It just sounds nutty, And those things sound really nutty.
19:41
Speaker 2: But vaccines sound great until you explain what a vaccine was,
19:44
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, that is nutty. Why would anybody
19:46
Speaker 2: do that? Right?
19:48
Speaker 1: So, and I mean I know that it's out there.
19:50
Speaker 1: I mean it's completely left field, bonkers even, but how
19:55
Speaker 1: about eating better, you know, going outside in the sun.
20:00
Speaker 1: This is crazy? Yeah, this is crazy speak Well, yeah.
20:04
Speaker 2: Some people realized that even in the late early seventeen hundreds.
20:07
Speaker 2: They said, well, if you take care of yourself, the
20:09
Speaker 2: healthier people had no problems. Even doctor Sydenham, he said, well,
20:15
Speaker 2: if you treat smallpox properly and don't put them in
20:19
Speaker 2: this hot regimen, because that's what they were doing, they
20:22
Speaker 2: put you in a hot box basically, then smallpox is
20:26
Speaker 2: a mild disease. And other people noticed that. Throughout the
20:31
Speaker 2: seventeen hundreds into the eighteen hundreds, people realized the healthy
20:35
Speaker 2: people were doing fine. It was the miserable poor they
20:38
Speaker 2: were having problems, or various people that were being treated. So,
20:43
Speaker 2: you know, putting a person in a hot room and
20:45
Speaker 2: giving a mercury, restricting water, restricting fresh air, people died
20:50
Speaker 2: at a much higher rate than people who were just
20:53
Speaker 2: left to nature. Some people said, if you left to
20:55
Speaker 2: nature it was a self limiting disease and generally you
20:58
Speaker 2: were just fine, unless, of course, you were living in
21:01
Speaker 2: a sewer, which a lot of people were over those years.
21:06
Speaker 2: So really, by the end of the eighteen hundreds, smallpox
21:09
Speaker 2: became not much of an issue, became a mild disease,
21:13
Speaker 2: and they noticed this as like, oh well smallpoxes mile,
21:16
Speaker 2: it's like chicken pox. Now. So by the nineteen forties,
21:20
Speaker 2: the death rate had the case fatality rate had plummeted
21:24
Speaker 2: by like ninety eight percent. Smallpox deests became rare, even
21:28
Speaker 2: though vaccination rates were going down, down, down. So by
21:32
Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight, when they got rid of compulsory vaccination,
21:36
Speaker 2: you know, most people weren't vaccinated, and still there was
21:38
Speaker 2: no death from smallpox. So this whole idea we have
21:41
Speaker 2: to keep on vaccinating forever, we just you know, that
21:44
Speaker 2: goes out the window. But the mythology just didn't die.
21:47
Speaker 2: It's embedded into medical culture and societal culture. So that's
21:51
Speaker 2: that's why it's still around.
21:53
Speaker 1: Well, the other interesting question about the different pox poxes,
21:57
Speaker 1: poxes is that is that the puerial foxes, books.
22:00
Speaker 2: Poxes, POxy, whatever you want to say, yess poxes.
22:05
Speaker 1: It's the idea that they're all different. I've actually read
22:08
Speaker 1: a couple articles that argue that they're actually all just
22:11
Speaker 1: the same thing. They just very they just have varying symptoms.
22:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had this idea that smallpox had morphed or
22:20
Speaker 2: so that it was no longer the severe kind of virus.
22:24
Speaker 2: It was morphed into the weaker kind of virus, and
22:26
Speaker 2: they were afraid it was going to come back. So
22:28
Speaker 2: we have to keep on vaccinating. But during the same time,
22:32
Speaker 2: measles got weaker, scar the fever got weaker, whipping cough
22:37
Speaker 2: got weaker. So by the nineteen fifties nineteen sixties, all
22:40
Speaker 2: infect diseases were not that much of an issue. Mortality rates,
22:46
Speaker 2: you know, down almost one hundred percent, So you go,
22:49
Speaker 2: whoa why is that that they all change at the
22:51
Speaker 2: same time. No, any microbe that's there wouldn't matter if
22:56
Speaker 2: you're a healthy person, and we had a healthier society
22:58
Speaker 2: where you had healthier people than we did in the
23:01
Speaker 2: mid eighteen hundreds, which was abysmal. And basically you're living
23:05
Speaker 2: at an open sewer with the London fog, which was
23:10
Speaker 2: like tons of smoke because everything was being burned coal.
23:14
Speaker 2: So you were living in a chimney in a sewer
23:17
Speaker 2: with poor nutrition because there's no refrigeration, there's you know,
23:22
Speaker 2: you didn't have a good life. Most people did not
23:25
Speaker 2: have a good life. The wealthy did pretty well, but
23:28
Speaker 2: there was a miserable poor everywhere. It was a brutal
23:32
Speaker 2: time to be alive for most people. So all that changed.
23:37
Speaker 2: Sewage systems came in, refrigeration. No more horses going through
23:42
Speaker 2: the streets dumping their loads everywhere. You know, you had
23:45
Speaker 2: the cars, you had all this technology of electricity, flush toilet,
23:51
Speaker 2: all these things came in labor laws. No more children
23:54
Speaker 2: working in minds as young as four in factories. That
23:57
Speaker 2: slowly went away. I mean they were still working factors
24:00
Speaker 2: in the nineteen twenties, but that solely went away. We
24:04
Speaker 2: got rid of all that kind of stuff, and then
24:06
Speaker 2: so people were healthier, they had better lives. So by
24:09
Speaker 2: you know, you can look at pictures of children in
24:12
Speaker 2: the nineteen forties and fifties and sixties and seventies and
24:14
Speaker 2: they're happy, and they look healthy and everything is pretty good.
24:19
Speaker 2: That was the big transformation. To call the world's greatest
24:21
Speaker 2: health revolution. That's what we should have remembered. That's what
24:24
Speaker 2: we should be taught. And then we wouldn't be doing
24:27
Speaker 2: half the crap we're doing now, and we'd certainly be
24:30
Speaker 2: running around trying to inject everybody for every disease. That's absurd.
24:35
Speaker 1: So what you're telling me, actually, Rummand, is that the
24:38
Speaker 1: people who had the biggest positive net impact on disease
24:46
Speaker 1: was not the doctors but actually the plumbers.
24:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, plumbers, people, engineers, inventors, electricity and all that stuff
24:56
Speaker 2: and a lot of people were pushing for this kind
24:58
Speaker 2: of stuff. There was societal movements to have children to
25:03
Speaker 2: go to schools instead of working in a factory, which
25:05
Speaker 2: is definitely an upgrade. All these types of things. There
25:09
Speaker 2: are millions of people are involved in the sanitation engineers.
25:12
Speaker 2: They were instrumental and you know, people even just sweeping
25:15
Speaker 2: the streets and taking the ship off the streets and
25:17
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. There's a lot of people
25:20
Speaker 2: were involved for a long period of time trying to
25:23
Speaker 2: make a better world, and they did a great job.
25:26
Speaker 2: So by the time you got again to you know,
25:28
Speaker 2: I grew up in the sixties seventies and life was
25:32
Speaker 2: pretty good. They're not for everybody, but things were organized,
25:37
Speaker 2: things were clean, we had electricity, clean water. Everything was great.
25:43
Speaker 2: Everyone was relatively thin, not like now we've lost control.
25:47
Speaker 2: We forgot we forgot our history or we remembered the
25:51
Speaker 2: wrong history. So if we if we, if we, if
25:55
Speaker 2: we knew that, we wouldn't we wouldn't be doing anything
25:58
Speaker 2: like we're doing now. With the medical obsession. For everything.
26:03
Speaker 1: You mentioned something about you don't worry about pathogens or
26:09
Speaker 1: contagion when you're healthy. This is something that I've been
26:12
Speaker 1: thinking about a lot. So, as you know, I've had
26:14
Speaker 1: a number of conversations on my podcast about whether viruses exist.
26:19
Speaker 1: I actually don't think it's all that important because if
26:23
Speaker 1: you are a healthy person, then none of that stuff
26:27
Speaker 1: actually really matters.
26:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I looked into the whole virus and because
26:34
Speaker 2: I have people that I know that are really smart,
26:36
Speaker 2: they're like, there's no viruses, and they have other people
26:38
Speaker 2: who say, yeah, there are viruses. I'm like, okay, so
26:40
Speaker 2: I try to figure it out. I gave up because
26:42
Speaker 2: I realized I didn't really care because most of the
26:46
Speaker 2: things like a pathogen like a like a bacteria like
26:50
Speaker 2: whipping cough bacteria. There's a Borderdella protesters bacteria. It can
26:53
Speaker 2: get in your lungs and multiply, right, But the vast
26:56
Speaker 2: majority of the issue is your general health. So proper sunshine,
27:01
Speaker 2: eating properly, you know, as much organic, clean drinks, not stressed.
27:08
Speaker 2: All these types of things all worked together to create it,
27:11
Speaker 2: you know, a healthy biome. This all works together to
27:14
Speaker 2: make you resilient to all sorts of things, not just pathogens.
27:18
Speaker 2: But you're going to feel better, You're going to have
27:19
Speaker 2: stronger bones, and everything's better, and so if you're in
27:24
Speaker 2: great shape, then these things shouldn't bother you. There's always
27:28
Speaker 2: wild cards. A couple of years ago, I don't know
27:32
Speaker 2: why I suddenly like had no energy. It just hit me.
27:36
Speaker 2: I was on January first, It's like, happy New Year,
27:39
Speaker 2: you have no energy. I went to like ten percent energy.
27:42
Speaker 2: I couldn't figure it out for two weeks, and then
27:44
Speaker 2: I was listening to a guy about using quercitin and
27:48
Speaker 2: zinc to get zinc into the cells, and I did that,
27:52
Speaker 2: and then one day later it was like eighty percent better.
27:56
Speaker 2: So I don't really know what happened there. It's just
27:58
Speaker 2: something just wasn't worth working properly. Who knows why. And
28:02
Speaker 2: you never really know why you're really sick. That's the thing.
28:06
Speaker 2: We've been convinced that, oh, we do some tests and
28:09
Speaker 2: we know why you're sick. Now you don't. You don't
28:10
Speaker 2: really know because you don't know what's going on through
28:13
Speaker 2: all your cells and your whole biology and your energy
28:16
Speaker 2: field and everything else. That's the important thing trying to
28:20
Speaker 2: stay healthy. You know, we've over medicalized everything. We've confused
28:26
Speaker 2: healthcare with medical medical treatments. Health Most of the health
28:30
Speaker 2: is in your hands to do the right things or
28:34
Speaker 2: not do the right things. Then that's up to you.
28:36
Speaker 2: But the thing is, so many people do really horrible
28:39
Speaker 2: things and then they go, well, I have the diabetes,
28:43
Speaker 2: I got that suddenly, or I have this or that,
28:45
Speaker 2: and then you run to the doctor and they have
28:47
Speaker 2: a solution for you, which is not the best solution
28:50
Speaker 2: because you haven't fixed the underlying problem.
28:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the point I'm making. I mean, so
28:57
Speaker 1: I find the virus topic interesting, but that's where it ends,
29:03
Speaker 1: because you can spend thirty minutes discussing and arguing in
29:07
Speaker 1: fact about whether or non viruses exist. But while you're
29:10
Speaker 1: having that argument, I've just done you a great high
29:14
Speaker 1: intensity workout in my home gym.
29:17
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I find it very interesting. And I
29:22
Speaker 2: even read some of the original studies and world that
29:24
Speaker 2: seems kind of cookie. How they determined there was a
29:26
Speaker 2: virus there didn't make any sense to me. But again,
29:30
Speaker 2: I don't really care. It doesn't matter to me. I
29:34
Speaker 2: just did an article on my sub stack on the
29:37
Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen flu and they couldn't transmit the flute from
29:41
Speaker 2: sick to healthy.
29:42
Speaker 1: No, I've read that also, that's the that was what
29:45
Speaker 1: was What do they call that that experiment. I've not forgotten,
29:50
Speaker 1: but it was that he was funded I believe by
29:52
Speaker 1: the US government.
29:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was ross And yes, they went into the experiment.
29:59
Speaker 2: There was four experiments. I heard there was five, and
30:02
Speaker 2: never found the fifth one that well, we know how
30:05
Speaker 2: this works, We're just going to like kind of do
30:07
Speaker 2: some experiments. So they got healthy people and they took this.
30:11
Speaker 2: Really these people were dying, they were turning blue, they
30:14
Speaker 2: were dying within hours or days. I mean it was
30:16
Speaker 2: really severe. And so they would take secretions out of
30:19
Speaker 2: them and squirt them into the guy's eyes, down their throat,
30:22
Speaker 2: up their nose.
30:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was soldiers I think.
30:25
Speaker 2: Mostly, Yeah, right, And so they convinced these guys that
30:29
Speaker 2: it was their patriotic duty to like be exposed to this.
30:32
Speaker 2: I would be like, oh, you know, I don't want
30:33
Speaker 2: to do that. These guys are all dying around me.
30:35
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. But they did. And
30:38
Speaker 2: they even did things like, you know, shake hands with
30:41
Speaker 2: the person, be up close for repeated times, and cough
30:45
Speaker 2: in the person's face and everything else. They couldn't make
30:48
Speaker 2: anybody sick. So what does that mean. It means that
30:54
Speaker 2: they couldn't transmit an illness. What what does that mean? Does
30:57
Speaker 2: it mean there's no virus maybe, or it doesn't mean
31:02
Speaker 2: if you're healthy, it's not a problem. You know, whatever
31:06
Speaker 2: these people were exposed to or whatever happened to them
31:09
Speaker 2: to make them deathly ill, didn't transmit to another person
31:14
Speaker 2: and make them deathly ill. That was the end result.
31:17
Speaker 2: Doesn't prove there's a virus or no virus. Really. I mean,
31:20
Speaker 2: maybe there was a virus and they transmitted something and
31:24
Speaker 2: the person's like it bounced off of them. I don't know.
31:26
Speaker 2: But the thing is it showed that if you're a
31:29
Speaker 2: healthy person, it's not a problem, so you don't have
31:33
Speaker 2: to worry about all this stuff.
31:34
Speaker 1: And in fact, my doctor friend said to me that
31:38
Speaker 1: he has observed that children who actually are healthier get
31:44
Speaker 1: a far less severe form of chicken pox.
31:49
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, this is what we've seen throughout history.
31:52
Speaker 2: So that's why smallpox became as mild as chicken pox.
31:55
Speaker 2: So you can see pictures in their early nineteen twenties
31:59
Speaker 2: medical literature of a person with smallpox, and they have
32:03
Speaker 2: just a few dots. It's like, oh, it's not because
32:06
Speaker 2: they What you usually see is the person's just like
32:09
Speaker 2: covered with pustules. Right, that's smallpox, right, But that's not
32:13
Speaker 2: what it really was all the time. That was more
32:15
Speaker 2: like early you know, eighteen hundreds, during the eighteen hundreds,
32:18
Speaker 2: and then by the nineteen hundreds you didn't see that anymore.
32:22
Speaker 2: It was just so mild. It was just like a
32:24
Speaker 2: no big deal, just kind of faded away. So, you know,
32:29
Speaker 2: things change depends depending on you know, basically your host
32:34
Speaker 2: host defense system or your host health or whatever you
32:36
Speaker 2: want to call it. So if you're healthy and you're
32:40
Speaker 2: doing all these things, great, but you know you have
32:44
Speaker 2: to do all the things. So let's say you eat
32:46
Speaker 2: healthy and you drink and you exercise, but you don't
32:48
Speaker 2: get any sunshines and then your vitamin D levels are
32:50
Speaker 2: going to be poor. You really have to do all
32:53
Speaker 2: these different things to keep a real healthy system.
32:58
Speaker 1: You've been working on another book.
33:03
Speaker 2: I just published. So I was doing an interview I
33:06
Speaker 2: don't remember with who, and we were talking about Dissolving Illusions,
33:10
Speaker 2: and it came up that this is a real thick
33:12
Speaker 2: book and it's a it's it's difficult for people to assimilate, right,
33:17
Speaker 2: and which I already knew because people would tell me, oh, well,
33:20
Speaker 2: I started reading. I couldn't finish it. It's too much,
33:23
Speaker 2: it's too much, it's overwhelming, I said, And I had
33:26
Speaker 2: this idea for this fiction book, historical fiction book, and
33:30
Speaker 2: that really solidified it. I was like, yeah, I really
33:32
Speaker 2: got to write this. I got to write something that,
33:35
Speaker 2: you know, for you know, normies who can you know,
33:37
Speaker 2: get you know, read something that's more personal and more alive,
33:41
Speaker 2: like real, not just a bunch of facts. Right. So
33:46
Speaker 2: I finally said, well, I'm going to go do that.
33:47
Speaker 2: So this is last January. I sat down and I
33:51
Speaker 2: started writing, and I had no idea what I was
33:54
Speaker 2: going to do, just no clue whatsoever. I knew how
33:58
Speaker 2: I wanted to end. I want to end with the
34:01
Speaker 2: world's greatest health revolution, which you know, the pushback against
34:04
Speaker 2: vaccination in Leicester, England, So I knew I kind of
34:07
Speaker 2: wanted that was the ending point somewhere. And then I
34:11
Speaker 2: was like, what am I going. I had all these
34:12
Speaker 2: other facts that didn't make into dissolving illusions about asylums
34:17
Speaker 2: and all sorts of other stuff. So I was like,
34:19
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to fit all these things into
34:22
Speaker 2: a story. And that's what I did. I just sat
34:24
Speaker 2: down and just started writing. Never wrote a fiction book before.
34:29
Speaker 2: I was like, but I'm going to make it historically accurate.
34:32
Speaker 2: I wanted to be historically accurate, so I did a
34:34
Speaker 2: lot of research. So I just started writing. I was like, okay,
34:38
Speaker 2: my fingers just started doing things. So I started with
34:42
Speaker 2: the first chapter and from there I didn't have a plan.
34:47
Speaker 2: I just kind of went along with the flow, and
34:50
Speaker 2: I would get inspired often at two or three in
34:53
Speaker 2: the morning. But I called my muses, you know. They
34:56
Speaker 2: were just like I would get an idea because I
34:59
Speaker 2: was like, well, I finished a chapter, Well should I
35:01
Speaker 2: do next? I don't know. And then I would get
35:03
Speaker 2: these ideas in the middle of the night and I
35:06
Speaker 2: was like, okay, I'll do that next. And so that's
35:08
Speaker 2: how the whole book was written. I just kept on,
35:11
Speaker 2: you know, progressing the story. The characters to me became
35:14
Speaker 2: real alive, and I tried to be each one of
35:17
Speaker 2: the characters as I'm writing, because they have their own
35:20
Speaker 2: different perspectives. There's like, really, now, too many bad guys,
35:24
Speaker 2: and it's just everybody had a different perspective. It's okay,
35:26
Speaker 2: don't cry, it's not that sad. And it was a
35:32
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I had so much fun. It was great.
35:35
Speaker 2: I'd finish a chapter, I'd give it to my wife.
35:37
Speaker 2: It's like, read this, read this, because it takes me
35:39
Speaker 2: like four days or maybe longer to write a chapter.
35:43
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm so excited, and it's like
35:45
Speaker 2: she would read it's like, oh wow, I can't believe
35:47
Speaker 2: that happened to Victoria or another character. And it was.
35:51
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. It took, you know,
35:54
Speaker 2: I just took random twists and turns. And there was
35:57
Speaker 2: a trial in the middle of the book. Was like,
35:58
Speaker 2: I don't want to write a trial, yeah, and then
36:02
Speaker 2: but then I said, well I probably should, and ended
36:04
Speaker 2: up being two chapters of this trial that goes on.
36:07
Speaker 2: And I did a lot of research to figure out,
36:09
Speaker 2: you know, how how a court would have been set up,
36:12
Speaker 2: and the jury system and all that kind of things,
36:15
Speaker 2: and how how people presented cases and all that. So,
36:19
Speaker 2: you know, I try to be really historically accurate, and
36:22
Speaker 2: I throw in nuggets of different history, like the London
36:25
Speaker 2: Fog and the poor section of London, which was the
36:28
Speaker 2: East end of London. It was miserably poor. The West
36:30
Speaker 2: End was where the rich people lived, which was very interesting.
36:34
Speaker 2: It was only a couple of miles away that you know,
36:36
Speaker 2: had people in squalor and the other half was living
36:40
Speaker 2: the life of Hollywood. They were the one you always
36:43
Speaker 2: see in the Hollywood movies. So it was a lot
36:45
Speaker 2: of fun. I really had a great time. I'm working
36:48
Speaker 2: on the second one.
36:50
Speaker 1: What's it cool?
36:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tender Mercy Zone. Can you see that? I think again?
36:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't see it cover.
37:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had my friend design the cover. I started
37:05
Speaker 2: doing something. I was like, nah, that sucks. I'll let
37:07
Speaker 2: somebody who knows what they're doing to it. So I
37:11
Speaker 2: think it came out really good. So I'm working on
37:13
Speaker 2: the next one, which is takes place ten years later
37:17
Speaker 2: with certain characters that are still around. Some characters don't
37:20
Speaker 2: make it.
37:21
Speaker 1: But how long did it take to it?
37:25
Speaker 2: It took about a year. So yeah, yeah, yeah, it
37:30
Speaker 2: took a year. It was a lot of fun. The
37:34
Speaker 2: worst part was formatting. But you know, I got in
37:38
Speaker 2: hardcover and paperback and and kindle.
37:41
Speaker 1: And you didn't even ask me to illustrate it.
37:45
Speaker 2: I have an illustration. It's so cool, man, See, I said,
37:49
Speaker 2: up in the corner there, I had a little ink. Well, no,
37:53
Speaker 2: we could, we could illustrate it. We can make it
37:55
Speaker 2: into a graphic novel. But you say you don't do
37:57
Speaker 2: graphic novels, do you?
37:58
Speaker 1: No, graphic novel is not my thing. That's like asking
38:01
Speaker 1: a I don't know a punk guitarist to play jazz.
38:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wanted to make it into a
38:11
Speaker 2: graphic novel, but it didn't find anybody to do it,
38:14
Speaker 2: So maybe it will be someday. I also have in
38:16
Speaker 2: discussions to make it into a movie, but that's I
38:19
Speaker 2: don't know if that's going to happen.
38:20
Speaker 1: But if you do, If you do have illustrations, it
38:22
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be that little the little one that
38:25
Speaker 1: you showed me, or a graphic novel. It can also
38:28
Speaker 1: be that the roll.
38:29
Speaker 2: Doll style where you have Do you need a job?
38:32
Speaker 2: Do you want to do something I do desperately? Well,
38:36
Speaker 2: we can talk about it.
38:37
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm running to the end of
38:39
Speaker 1: my my podcasting thing.
38:42
Speaker 2: Really really okay, all right, I run out.
38:44
Speaker 1: Of I've run out of topics. Roman.
38:47
Speaker 2: There's always something new to learn. I'm sure you can
38:50
Speaker 2: find something. But I want to get the book. Is
38:54
Speaker 2: I want to get a copy received?
38:56
Speaker 1: I want to get a copy.
38:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're better off just order it. So if
39:00
Speaker 2: I try to nail it.
39:01
Speaker 1: No, it's too expensive.
39:03
Speaker 2: It's too expensive. It's on Amazon as well as this
39:08
Speaker 2: other other system. I use book fault and then you
39:12
Speaker 2: just you just get a ship to you. It's much cheaper,
39:16
Speaker 2: and Amazon prints it locally. So if I try to
39:19
Speaker 2: ship it, it's.
39:19
Speaker 1: Like, you know, no, it's too expensive undred bucks to
39:21
Speaker 1: ship that. But I do need to find a way
39:25
Speaker 1: to get you to personally sign it in the future.
39:28
Speaker 2: Oh that's going to be difficult. No, not really really,
39:32
Speaker 2: you can do it, you know, on screen and just
39:34
Speaker 2: sign it that one exactly.
39:35
Speaker 1: There we go.
39:36
Speaker 2: That's cheating.
39:38
Speaker 1: You know. What I'd be interested in trying is if
39:40
Speaker 1: you do write I wonder, I wonder if this can work.
39:45
Speaker 1: If you write something, you scan it or you take
39:48
Speaker 1: a picture of it, and then I have it aied.
39:51
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's possible to do something like that.
39:52
Speaker 1: And I yeah, no, because well I can.
39:57
Speaker 2: I can. I've done this before. You just write it
39:59
Speaker 2: and take a picture of it. It's pretty close, I
40:01
Speaker 2: mean high resolution picture.
40:03
Speaker 1: It's just like no, But I was trying to think
40:05
Speaker 1: of how you put it into the book. You can't.
40:07
Speaker 1: They just realize that you can't. You need to. It
40:09
Speaker 1: has to be printed on the page. So I'm back
40:11
Speaker 1: to square one.
40:13
Speaker 2: No, I mean I could have you know, you could print.
40:17
Speaker 2: You could print whatever you scanned about it. You know
40:19
Speaker 2: that's not the same thing.
40:20
Speaker 1: Who cares exactly? You can write something? Yeah, I mean
40:24
Speaker 1: ultimately you can write something by hand. And then I
40:26
Speaker 1: just printed and then I'll just use a little little
40:29
Speaker 1: paper clip and attach it to the.
40:33
Speaker 2: I'll send you an envelope. You can just staple it in.
40:36
Speaker 1: With some with some in thracks.
40:39
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I got some here.
40:42
Speaker 1: You know I like to live on the edge.
40:45
Speaker 2: I'm sure you do. Yeah. Again, it was a lot
40:49
Speaker 2: of fun, and I think anybody can do it. You see,
40:52
Speaker 2: a lot of the things I've done I would never
40:54
Speaker 2: have thought I would do. I grew up, as you know,
40:58
Speaker 2: kind of a nerve, prety, nerdy, quiet kid, and they
41:03
Speaker 2: ended up going to computers and I got pretty good
41:05
Speaker 2: at that. I was quite quite expert at that, programming
41:08
Speaker 2: and doing engineering stuff. I never thought I was going
41:10
Speaker 2: to write anything. But then when I had to write
41:15
Speaker 2: dissolving illusions, after I had enough information, It's like I
41:19
Speaker 2: got to do this, even though I didn't want to
41:21
Speaker 2: do it. I really didn't want to do it. I
41:23
Speaker 2: was like, why am I spending all my time doing this?
41:25
Speaker 2: But I did it, and I realized later on it's like, well,
41:29
Speaker 2: you can do any of these things if you really
41:31
Speaker 2: want to do them, and you know, writing tender mercies.
41:35
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I know I can do this.
41:37
Speaker 2: Just sit down and do it, even if you don't
41:39
Speaker 2: know what you're doing, just do it. And I did it.
41:42
Speaker 2: I think anybody can do these things, and it's I
41:44
Speaker 2: think it's I try to inspire people to follow whatever
41:47
Speaker 2: their passion is and just do it.
41:52
Speaker 1: Well, yes, but it goes more than that, because the
41:59
Speaker 1: result all of your work leads to people asking questions
42:03
Speaker 1: sort of esoteric kind of question maybe not even esoteric
42:10
Speaker 1: existential questions like vaccines.
42:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, And your point is what I'm saying in generally,
42:18
Speaker 2: if you're passionate about anything, yes, and you're like, well
42:22
Speaker 2: I've never done that, I can't do it. You can
42:25
Speaker 2: do it. Just have to put the time and effort
42:28
Speaker 2: in there, right.
42:28
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I'm what I was saying is that there's
42:30
Speaker 1: also a net benefit of people enjoying your passion is
42:35
Speaker 1: because it comes Because it comes down to questioning what
42:37
Speaker 1: you're putting into your child.
42:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The amount of time I put into
42:42
Speaker 2: that dissolving illusions, reading and going to libraries. I have
42:47
Speaker 2: binders about this why in my closet or there's like
42:52
Speaker 2: filled with you know, old charts and old documents and statistics,
42:56
Speaker 2: and it's like I became kind of nutty about it,
43:01
Speaker 2: but I found it fascinating, so I just kept on
43:03
Speaker 2: doing it. I've got a until until I burned out.
43:08
Speaker 1: I've got a great idea for your next Dissolving illusions project,
43:14
Speaker 1: go into antibiotics.
43:18
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I guess. Actually we're talking about I don't
43:22
Speaker 2: know if we're going to do it or not, because
43:23
Speaker 2: it takes a long time to do these things. But
43:25
Speaker 2: we're going to do like a Dissolving Illusions for dummies
43:27
Speaker 2: kind of thing, you know, or as my wife's Dissolving
43:32
Speaker 2: Illusions simplified, something like that, where you take all this
43:34
Speaker 2: stuff and just makes it easier to understand billion quotes
43:38
Speaker 2: and charts and everything else. So that's that's on the
43:41
Speaker 2: possible list. I thought that might be useful, but then again,
43:44
Speaker 2: i'd rather write historical fiction at the moment, So I'm
43:48
Speaker 2: working on the second book of Tender Mercies, Off we Go.
43:52
Speaker 2: It's not I'm on chapter. It's historical fiction because the
43:56
Speaker 2: characters are fictional, although they are composite of what I
43:59
Speaker 2: believe characters were like. So Victoria was, you know, she
44:04
Speaker 2: started out as a twenty something person in the wealthy aras,
44:09
Speaker 2: but she felt like she was being controlled and repressed
44:12
Speaker 2: by societal norms. She had to behave a certain way,
44:16
Speaker 2: you know, decorum had to be you know, all the time,
44:19
Speaker 2: and she was miserable with that. And then there's Simon,
44:23
Speaker 2: her husband, who was you know, very prim and proper
44:25
Speaker 2: and was very ambitious and you know, ruled the roost
44:29
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. So, you know, I tried to
44:31
Speaker 2: create characters that made sense to me based on all
44:34
Speaker 2: my reading, and so you just, I don't know what
44:38
Speaker 2: was the point of my story. I don't know. I
44:40
Speaker 2: just enjoyed doing it. And so now the characters that
44:44
Speaker 2: are still around, they have their own new trajectories and
44:48
Speaker 2: I'm mixing in things like Charles Crichton, who was a
44:52
Speaker 2: big He was pro vaccine when he started until he
44:56
Speaker 2: did his research and wrote an article for the Encyclopedia
45:03
Speaker 2: Britannica in eighteen eighty eight, which the mainstream doctors did
45:08
Speaker 2: not like because it was filled with charts, not charts,
45:11
Speaker 2: but tables. They didn't really have charts and other information
45:15
Speaker 2: in there, you know, kind of ticked everybody off. And
45:18
Speaker 2: then he ended up writing two books, one on Jenner
45:22
Speaker 2: A Strange, Strange Episode in history or something I forgot
45:27
Speaker 2: it was. Anyway, it was very critical of the whole
45:30
Speaker 2: thing and basically called it a grotesque superstition. And so
45:36
Speaker 2: I have him in the next book, And so I
45:39
Speaker 2: try to take some of the speeches and things like that,
45:42
Speaker 2: or actual speeches or things they wrote that I turned into,
45:48
Speaker 2: you know, some of the things they talk about even
45:51
Speaker 2: in the first book. So the protests in Lester, there
45:54
Speaker 2: was a lot of things written down of people making
45:58
Speaker 2: speeches there. So I took that and kind of just
46:01
Speaker 2: dropped it into the book. So they're actually real speeches.
46:03
Speaker 2: By the way, at the end of the book, the
46:05
Speaker 2: last ten percent, I have quotes and references for what
46:10
Speaker 2: went into particular chapters, so you can go and kind
46:13
Speaker 2: of dig deeper and say, oh, yeah, well, I guess
46:16
Speaker 2: that was real because chapter fifty has this quote from
46:20
Speaker 2: there from this reference, so you can look into these
46:23
Speaker 2: things and say, yeah, the book is actually pretty historically accurate,
46:28
Speaker 2: which is what I was trying to aim for. But
46:30
Speaker 2: you can follow up and do your own reading. It's
46:32
Speaker 2: kind of fun.
46:34
Speaker 1: You've got so much vaccine knowledge. Do you ever get
46:37
Speaker 1: frustrated in conversations though?
46:40
Speaker 2: I don't know really at this point. People want to
46:45
Speaker 2: believe what they want to believe, and that can be
46:48
Speaker 2: about anything, right, politics, or religion or whatever. And you know,
46:53
Speaker 2: if that's what you want to believe, that's your background,
46:58
Speaker 2: how you were raised, experiences you went through, what things
47:02
Speaker 2: you read and absorbed and created your image of the universe. Right,
47:08
Speaker 2: Who am I to come over along and say you're
47:10
Speaker 2: you're an idiot. I don't want to do that.
47:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, but provide information, but when it give it for you,
47:14
Speaker 1: but when it gets closer to home than it does matter.
47:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I've tried to talk to lots of
47:21
Speaker 2: people I know, my family members, and they just are
47:23
Speaker 2: aren't interested. And I don't get mad about it. I
47:26
Speaker 2: just you don't want to don't find it interesting or
47:30
Speaker 2: important or convincing. Then Okay, that's your life. It's your
47:36
Speaker 2: journey and your life. It's not my call to make
47:40
Speaker 2: you do anything. No, by just present information.
47:43
Speaker 1: Sure, but when it gets close to home, like your
47:45
Speaker 1: child then suddenly does it can become quite heated with
47:48
Speaker 1: your Yeah.
47:49
Speaker 2: Sure if I had a young baby now, because I
47:53
Speaker 2: did this when my kids were really young and I
47:55
Speaker 2: didn't know enough and they got vaccinated anyway behind my back, yeah,
48:01
Speaker 2: I would be fighting for my right to do what
48:05
Speaker 2: I want with my children. Right. That's different. But as
48:08
Speaker 2: an adult, you know, you're you're free to make your
48:11
Speaker 2: own choices. That's what you know. That's you know, I'm
48:13
Speaker 2: a real freedom maximalist. Hey, you want to go out
48:16
Speaker 2: to the bars and drink and do cocaine and and
48:21
Speaker 2: you know whatever, that's your business. That's what you want
48:24
Speaker 2: to do. You're not harming anybody else. Okay, yeah, it's
48:28
Speaker 2: self destructive, but you know that's it's your life. You
48:31
Speaker 2: can do what you want. I would advise against certain things,
48:33
Speaker 2: but go ahead. You know who am I to say
48:35
Speaker 2: what you should do? Right? Sometimes people have to bottom
48:39
Speaker 2: out to change their lives too. I bottomed out a
48:42
Speaker 2: few times. I've had difficulties and they may help me grow.
48:47
Speaker 2: I guess I'm going off the topic a little bit,
48:49
Speaker 2: but you know, as far as vaccines goes. You know,
48:52
Speaker 2: if somebody says, well I looked at your book, it's
48:55
Speaker 2: a bunch of crap and you didn't do this and
48:57
Speaker 2: do that. Okay, Well just information. You know, you can
49:00
Speaker 2: use it as you wish, and a lot of people
49:03
Speaker 2: take it in the right way, and some people just
49:05
Speaker 2: want to argue about everything. So I just don't argue.
49:07
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I don't worry about it. Initially, initially
49:14
Speaker 2: that wasn't true. I would get you know, as far
49:17
Speaker 2: as like health things, because I would do health consults,
49:19
Speaker 2: and I would get frustrated, like why won't you do this,
49:23
Speaker 2: why you know whatever it might be, and why wouldn't
49:26
Speaker 2: you read that? Then I realized, you know, that's not
49:30
Speaker 2: my business to convince people to do things. So you
49:32
Speaker 2: can do them or not do them. That's your choice.
49:35
Speaker 1: Well, my wife didn't read Dissolving Illusions.
49:38
Speaker 2: She listened to Oh, okay, I thought maybe you just
49:42
Speaker 2: like laid down the law.
49:44
Speaker 1: No, no, no, she actually listened to the audiobook. Who
49:46
Speaker 1: narrates it?
49:47
Speaker 2: By the way, so the original one is narrated by
49:52
Speaker 2: you forgot his name because a long time ago, by
49:54
Speaker 2: a guy we found I forgot how that happened. I
49:59
Speaker 2: can't remember his name anyway, And then I did the
50:03
Speaker 2: second one.
50:03
Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe she listened to you. I don't know
50:06
Speaker 1: because that was only two years ago.
50:07
Speaker 2: Put it. Yeah, but I cheated, so I used AI
50:11
Speaker 2: with my voice trained. And then really, because so what
50:16
Speaker 2: happens when you're trying to do this stuff? So I
50:19
Speaker 2: started doing it, and I would get a dry mouth,
50:22
Speaker 2: I would lose my cadence, I would mispronounce words, I'd
50:26
Speaker 2: get food and then but now that's so much the background.
50:31
Speaker 2: It was just I would just screw up too many times.
50:34
Speaker 2: So I said, well, let me try this, and it
50:36
Speaker 2: basically sounds like me and I I had. I had
50:39
Speaker 2: to listen to every paragraph and everything is very long
50:42
Speaker 2: process anyway, but I just found myself not able to
50:47
Speaker 2: consistently create, you know, chapters. Just too many glitches, too
50:53
Speaker 2: many things I had to redo. I said, I screw that,
50:57
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it. And at that time,
50:59
Speaker 2: I also had a a bad computer. I was having
51:01
Speaker 2: problems with it. It's like, I can't get this done.
51:06
Speaker 2: And I tried to find like a human being to
51:08
Speaker 2: do it. I almost had the guy's name, so I
51:12
Speaker 2: tried to contact the guy beforehand. He never responded. I
51:14
Speaker 2: tried to get a bunch of people to do it.
51:16
Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to do it, so I said, screw it,
51:19
Speaker 2: I'll just do it this way, and that worked out
51:22
Speaker 2: pretty well. I think it sounds pretty good, but it
51:26
Speaker 2: wasn't my first choice. But that's the way it worked
51:28
Speaker 2: out well.
51:29
Speaker 1: If my wife did listen to your AI voice, it worked.
51:34
Speaker 2: Great. I'm sure it was quite good.
51:39
Speaker 1: I can't imagine anything more boring than reading a thick
51:43
Speaker 1: book like that out loud.
51:46
Speaker 2: Well there's the other thing too, I don't want to
51:48
Speaker 2: I've read this too many times. I don't read this
51:49
Speaker 2: darn thing again. It's like I'm done with it. And
51:54
Speaker 2: when we first published in twenty thirteen, I was done
51:57
Speaker 2: with vaccines. I was never going to touch the topic again.
52:00
Speaker 2: And I was like burned out. That's twenty years of
52:03
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. All right, that's enough. I had enough
52:06
Speaker 2: of this. Everybody read the book and leave me alone.
52:08
Speaker 2: I didn't want to have anything to do with it,
52:10
Speaker 2: and it wasn't really until COVID that was like, good grief.
52:14
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to go back and do
52:15
Speaker 2: it again, upgrade the book and so I did. I
52:19
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it again, but here I am
52:23
Speaker 2: still doing it.
52:24
Speaker 1: Also. The other challenge is, you know, if you come
52:29
Speaker 1: back a couple of days later to read the next chapter,
52:32
Speaker 1: your voice might sound different. It might be too yeah,
52:36
Speaker 1: might be two early in the morning and you still
52:37
Speaker 1: got that wake up voice.
52:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've talked to people who actually do this. It's
52:42
Speaker 2: really difficult. It's not that easy. You know. You have
52:46
Speaker 2: to really have a nice sound per room. You have
52:48
Speaker 2: to be in the space, you have to like do
52:50
Speaker 2: your homework, make sure you know how you're going to
52:51
Speaker 2: pronounce words, and you have to be with the I tried,
52:56
Speaker 2: and I gave up.
52:58
Speaker 1: And then someone knocks on the door or your phone rings.
53:03
Speaker 2: Well that I made sure my phone's gone and all
53:05
Speaker 2: that stuff. And you know, I'm my little isolated area here,
53:08
Speaker 2: so it's not a big deal. But I just, yeah,
53:11
Speaker 2: it didn't work out for me. Couldn't do it. So
53:13
Speaker 2: I opted for the cheating way and he used AI,
53:16
Speaker 2: which actually worked pretty well. They trained my voice in
53:19
Speaker 2: one shot. I was like, oh, that sounds like me,
53:22
Speaker 2: Like crap, it's kind of creepy.
53:23
Speaker 1: Actually, I haven't listened to the audiobook of Dissolving illusions.
53:27
Speaker 1: But how do you deal with all the graphs and
53:29
Speaker 1: the dot that you know, all the doctors those are those.
53:31
Speaker 2: Are those are available on Dissolving illusions dot com.
53:35
Speaker 1: Okay, so you just you just say go and check
53:37
Speaker 1: out on the website.
53:38
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah so and uh yeah.
53:42
Speaker 2: So it's that was a long process. I don't know
53:45
Speaker 2: how many months I spent doing that, like four or
53:47
Speaker 2: five months. It's like, yes, I don't want to do
53:50
Speaker 2: that again. There's certain things I don't want to do again.
53:53
Speaker 1: Well this did this roman so when when our boy gone.
53:58
Speaker 2: But you just got to get the job done. So
54:00
Speaker 2: just I become obsessive. I got to get it done,
54:03
Speaker 2: even if I hate it. I didn't like doing that
54:06
Speaker 2: part at all. It was really really tedious, but I
54:09
Speaker 2: got it done.
54:10
Speaker 1: When our little guy turned one, we had a little
54:13
Speaker 1: birthday party for him, and of course a whole bunch
54:14
Speaker 1: of other babies came around.
54:17
Speaker 2: And yes, the thing so he was a main vector
54:20
Speaker 2: of disease. Is that right?
54:21
Speaker 1: Listen to this right? So of course he's not vaccinated,
54:24
Speaker 1: he's never been to a doctor, never had an antibiotic,
54:29
Speaker 1: doesn't have a pedutrition. You know, three babies could not
54:34
Speaker 1: come because all of them were either very sick or
54:38
Speaker 1: I think two of them had to go to hospital.
54:41
Speaker 1: All three of them are vaccinated.
54:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your point. I don't understand your point.
54:50
Speaker 1: You don't understand my point.
54:51
Speaker 2: No, just kidding. Yeah, I haven't been to a doctor
54:55
Speaker 2: in fourteen years something thirteen, fourteen years. I stopped going
55:01
Speaker 2: because I realized most you know, if I got in
55:04
Speaker 2: a car accident, great, you know, they fix you up
55:08
Speaker 2: pretty good. They're really good at that. But anything else,
55:11
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, we're going to do tests and we're
55:13
Speaker 2: going to give you shots, and the tests are going
55:15
Speaker 2: to show you have a problem with this or that,
55:17
Speaker 2: and we're going to give you these pills. And that
55:19
Speaker 2: doesn't work. For the most part, it doesn't work for me.
55:22
Speaker 2: So I just stop going. And I have the attitude
55:25
Speaker 2: as I'm going to live a healthy lifestyle as long
55:28
Speaker 2: as I can until something goes wrong, or maybe nothing
55:31
Speaker 2: will go wrong. Maybe I'll live to be two hundred.
55:33
Speaker 2: That's my goal, live to be two hundred and healthy
55:36
Speaker 2: and no problems. So far, it's worked out pretty well.
55:40
Speaker 2: It's because again, we've medicalized everything. Everything has to be
55:45
Speaker 2: passed through a doctor. Every darn little thing. It's like,
55:49
Speaker 2: and I know people, Oh I got an injury, a
55:52
Speaker 2: little cut or something, I go to the doctor. I'm sniffling.
55:54
Speaker 2: I go to the doctor. And it's like, why you
55:57
Speaker 2: don't need to do that. But people have been convinced
56:00
Speaker 2: that's what they do, and I don't do that.
56:01
Speaker 1: We went.
56:02
Speaker 2: It works for me.
56:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went camping and I accidentally stabbed myself in
56:08
Speaker 1: my hand with my knife.
56:10
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was an accident. You're reaching out for help,
56:14
Speaker 2: crying out, So.
56:15
Speaker 1: It's actually this knfe that I got, right, Yeah, I
56:17
Speaker 1: got a flick knife and that's a knife, and I
56:22
Speaker 1: was can't remember I was doing. I was cutting something
56:24
Speaker 1: and my hand slipped and I stabbed myself into man
56:27
Speaker 1: and it was a pretty bad cut and we had
56:31
Speaker 1: to immediately go somewhere to I needed stitches. My wife
56:37
Speaker 1: is medical, so she so she knew exactly what to
56:40
Speaker 1: do in that moment. We had bandages, we had bandages
56:43
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But I went to
56:46
Speaker 1: the door. No, I didn't go to the doctor. Immediately,
56:47
Speaker 1: stayed overnight, but it with my hand wrapped up and bandages.
56:50
Speaker 1: Next morning, we went and found a doctor and in
56:53
Speaker 1: the nearby town. He asked me what happened. Told him
56:57
Speaker 1: he said, can I give you a tetanus shot? I
56:58
Speaker 1: said no, yeah, you don't need that.
57:01
Speaker 2: That's that's just knee jerk reaction.
57:03
Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm perfectly fine.
57:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean if you if you
57:09
Speaker 2: put some dirt in there and then sealed up the wound,
57:11
Speaker 2: maybe you would have some kind of problem, but otherwise
57:14
Speaker 2: you're not going to have problem. As long as the
57:15
Speaker 2: wound is cleaned, it's not an issue.
57:17
Speaker 1: Yes, But the average person will say yes, well.
57:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're trained to believe the authorities, you know,
57:24
Speaker 2: and they're they're only trained based on their schooling. Just
57:27
Speaker 2: do this, okay, you know they're there. It's not like
57:30
Speaker 2: everybody goes often does research and goes, well should I
57:34
Speaker 2: really do that? They don't do that. People don't do
57:36
Speaker 2: that no matter what your education level is.
57:39
Speaker 1: But this was an example of when a doctor actually
57:41
Speaker 1: is necessary.
57:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Sure. A lot of things, you know,
57:45
Speaker 2: anything to do with damage, physical damage, well that's probably
57:49
Speaker 2: a good idea. Some things you can handle yourself. You
57:52
Speaker 2: just have to use some kind of discernment. Yeah, so
57:56
Speaker 2: that's what you do. That's that Medical used to be
58:00
Speaker 2: in the US about four percent of GDP. Now it's
58:03
Speaker 2: almost eighteen eighteen percent of GDP. This is insane because
58:09
Speaker 2: everything has to be medicalized everything, and the grocery stores
58:14
Speaker 2: are filled with concoctions to help treat the symptom of
58:17
Speaker 2: this or treat the symptom. And this is all like insanity.
58:20
Speaker 2: But we're in insane world. So in a healthy world,
58:26
Speaker 2: the medical system would be far smaller, doing surgeries and
58:31
Speaker 2: helping counsel you. Hey, you shouldn't be eating donuts every day. Okay,
58:37
Speaker 2: maybe you should eat some fruit and have some vegetables
58:40
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, whatever advice you want to say,
58:42
Speaker 2: right and guide people to be healthy. Now you're here
58:46
Speaker 2: to take these pills and get out of my office,
58:49
Speaker 2: and I charge your two hundred bucks. So we have
58:51
Speaker 2: a broken system.
58:54
Speaker 1: Exactly. And you would think, you would think that people
58:58
Speaker 1: would be healthier today with old the pharmaceuticals.
59:03
Speaker 2: No, because we have all these other things going on,
59:05
Speaker 2: right the pharmaceuticals. We have, you know, endless entertainment, So
59:10
Speaker 2: you're indoors all the time, you're not getting sunshine, not
59:13
Speaker 2: getting well. Some people do they go to the gym,
59:16
Speaker 2: not getting exercise. You can so obesities off the charts.
59:22
Speaker 2: You can see people are pale. They don't get any sunshine.
59:26
Speaker 2: They're not eating properly, so they're malnourished. They don't know
59:29
Speaker 2: they're malnourished. So all these things are you know, you've
59:32
Speaker 2: got a really sick society. You can't fix them. When drugs,
59:35
Speaker 2: it's never going to happen. But they try. Oh, take ozempic.
59:39
Speaker 2: That's a great idea. Well instead of stopping eating the donuts,
59:44
Speaker 2: they go take o z empic. Great, great, Well that's
59:46
Speaker 2: a big profit stream, but it's not making you a
59:49
Speaker 2: better person, not making you healthier. Maybe you lose weight initially,
59:52
Speaker 2: but maybe your home, your entire digestism stops working properly forever.
59:59
Speaker 2: Then what you know, there's you know, there's always somebody
1:00:03
Speaker 2: trying to come up with a magic pill, and people
1:00:05
Speaker 2: love magic pills, magic shots, and they never really work,
1:00:10
Speaker 2: or magic procedures. Oh we'll just do gastric bypass. I
1:00:12
Speaker 2: haven't known people who got bay. See that's why I
1:00:17
Speaker 2: can't do audiobooks. Gastric bypasses and they regain their weight.
1:00:24
Speaker 2: They eventually regain their weight because they figure out a
1:00:26
Speaker 2: way to cheat the system because they still want to
1:00:28
Speaker 2: eat Canoli's or whatever. Right, So you know, none of
1:00:31
Speaker 2: these things really work, but people keep on going for
1:00:35
Speaker 2: them because they're promoted. They're on the TV all the time.
1:00:38
Speaker 2: Their doctors tell them what do and do this and
1:00:41
Speaker 2: do that, and it generally a bad idea.
1:00:45
Speaker 1: Well, I've got my own squad wreck and I'm going
1:00:47
Speaker 1: to now go and do some squats and bench.
1:00:49
Speaker 2: Press, all right, but be like, are you kind of
1:00:54
Speaker 2: tape it and wan and.
1:00:56
Speaker 1: Send you the video? Wink wink.
1:00:57
Speaker 2: Oh, well, very interested in that, that's right, dude?
1:01:02
Speaker 1: How can how can I follow your work?
1:01:05
Speaker 2: I don't know what gender you are though you're female?
1:01:09
Speaker 1: Right, yeah I identify yes?
1:01:12
Speaker 2: Yeah? If he sheet it, I'm sorry? What are you saying?
1:01:18
Speaker 1: How can I follow your work?
1:01:21
Speaker 2: On sub stack? Pretty easy to find Roman Bistrionic and
1:01:24
Speaker 2: uh book New Book Tender merciesbook dot Com or on Amazon.
1:01:31
Speaker 2: I think people people so far really like it. It's
1:01:33
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. Did you read it? I don't
1:01:35
Speaker 2: remember if you did.
1:01:36
Speaker 1: I haven't read your book yet.
1:01:38
Speaker 2: Good, good, gret great for an interview. Didn't read the book, dude?
1:01:43
Speaker 2: Go do your spots. I think you really enjoy it
1:01:46
Speaker 2: or your wife will enjoy it.
1:01:48
Speaker 1: Is an audio version yet.
1:01:51
Speaker 2: No, it's somebody working on it. Then the computer blew up,
1:01:53
Speaker 2: so it's kind of stuck at the moment. I was
1:01:56
Speaker 2: trying to find a British sounding female, but this guy
1:01:59
Speaker 2: is British sounding dude, which was not my first choice
1:02:03
Speaker 2: because this is basically the journey of Victoria, who's female
1:02:08
Speaker 2: unless you think she's not. That's up to you to
1:02:11
Speaker 2: decide that, and so it's mostly from her journey. So
1:02:19
Speaker 2: I wanted a female to do it, but I haven't
1:02:20
Speaker 2: found anybody to do it yet. So if you know somebody,
1:02:23
Speaker 2: let me know. Well I want it to sound British
1:02:27
Speaker 2: too because it takes place in London and Lester, England.
1:02:30
Speaker 1: So well, I definitely want the audiobook when it's available.
1:02:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a process. You know somebody who can
1:02:37
Speaker 2: do it.
1:02:37
Speaker 1: Let me know, all right. Reben Vustjanik, thank you for
1:02:41
Speaker 1: joining me in the changes.
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Speaker 2: Thanks again, it's been fun.