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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, December 22 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sell of Sound,
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Speaker 1: John Oshans Brian Sexton. Jacks Drive starts right now. Welcome
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Speaker 1: in Jaguars Drive Time. In his Wednesday morning, December twenty second,
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars back on the tracks field to day, getting
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Speaker 1: ready for an away game against the New York Jets
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Speaker 1: on Christmas weekend. John Osier and Brian Sexton here, and
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Speaker 1: we have a busy day, so we're gonna get right
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Speaker 1: into big things. Big thing one is shoddy passing. Game
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Speaker 1: coordinator and quarterbacks coach Brian Schottenheimer will now be calling
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Speaker 1: the play for the Jaguars offense. Can this look different?
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Speaker 1: Will it look different this week? Or is it simply
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Speaker 1: just moving some chairs around. Darryl Bevil breaks it down.
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Speaker 1: I thought about it, um, as I told you guys,
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Speaker 1: I would you know, I thought about it a lot.
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Speaker 1: UM had some conversations, you know, with Trent and um everybody,
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Speaker 1: and I think, what's what I'm gonna do is I'm
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Speaker 1: going to turn the play calling over to Brian Schottenheimer.
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Speaker 1: UM to really help Hope on the offensive side of
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Speaker 1: the ball. I think it helps us in a lot
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Speaker 1: of ways. Number One, and lets me you know, take
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Speaker 1: more on of the of the head coach role that
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Speaker 1: that I'm being asked you with that added responsibility. But also, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, we have a really accomplished, another accomplished play
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Speaker 1: caller in our midst you know, and um be able
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Speaker 1: to let Brian take an opportunity at it and put
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Speaker 1: his own uh you know, personality into the offense as well.
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Speaker 1: We'll be obviously in the cons communication. We game plan
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Speaker 1: together UM a lot anyway, So I'm really confident, um
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Speaker 1: and uh you know, happy day do I'm gonna be
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Speaker 1: able to turn out to m And big thing too
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Speaker 1: is starters were likely to see some new guys these
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Speaker 1: final games that we haven't had the chance to talk
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Speaker 1: much about. Maybe we see a walker little with the
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Speaker 1: Cam Robinson injury, or maybe we'll see more of Andre
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Speaker 1: Cisco with ray Sean Jenkins placed on end of reserve.
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Speaker 1: Now is the time of the season where you want
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Speaker 1: to start seeing more of your younger guys play, So
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Speaker 1: possibly that starts this week against the Jets. Big Thing
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Speaker 1: three is similar question mark. Trevor Lawrence has nine touched
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Speaker 1: ouns and fourteen interceptions this season. Rookie quarterback for the Jets,
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson has six touchdowns and eleven interceptions. Out of
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Speaker 1: all the rookies in the NFL, Mac Jones for the
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Speaker 1: Patriots is the only one with a positive ratio ratio.
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Speaker 1: But despite all these rankings, head coach is proud of
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Speaker 1: how Lawrence has handled this year. The NFL season is
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Speaker 1: hard enough just being a rookie and and playing the
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Speaker 1: position that he that he's um that he gets to play.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of responsibility on his shoulders.
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Speaker 1: And you know, anytime you add any more distractions or um,
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Speaker 1: you know, outside interference into that, I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: just it adds to that. Um, you know, I like
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Speaker 1: the way he's handled I think he's been a true,
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Speaker 1: true professional about it. Um. He continues to work and
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Speaker 1: has been about his business teaching every day. So UM,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of really proud of you know
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Speaker 1: what he's what he's done, and he's last you know,
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Speaker 1: over the over this time that he finger and that
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Speaker 1: is big things. Brian Sexton is virtual with us this
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Speaker 1: morning on Drive Time, and Brian, we just heard Darryl
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Speaker 1: Bevil talk about Brian Schottenheimer being the play caller and
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Speaker 1: it seems to make sense because Dary Bevil now has
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Speaker 1: to worry about being a head coach, and that's a
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Speaker 1: lot of responsibilities, sure, dealing with the doctors in the
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Speaker 1: media and all of the different elements that's required of
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Speaker 1: a head coach. But it speaks also to Brian Schottenheimer,
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Speaker 1: who for twelve years is called plays as an offensive
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Speaker 1: coordinator over his long career. He also has a really
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Speaker 1: strong relationship with quarterback Trevor Lawrence. Those two have worked
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Speaker 1: together well by all accounts this year, and so what
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Speaker 1: he's really doing is putting the two people who work
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Speaker 1: closest together together to start working on what works for
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Speaker 1: Trevor and what he thinks they can accomplish out on
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Speaker 1: the field again with the limited weapons that they have.
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Speaker 1: How different will it look? I don't know. Will it
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Speaker 1: look somewhat different? It might, Yeah, I think it'll look
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Speaker 1: different for a while, much like the other day. It
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Speaker 1: looked different for a while when Bevil was sort of
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Speaker 1: you know, free Darrell if you will, you know, and
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Speaker 1: it looked like he had some wrinkles are really And
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Speaker 1: then it looked like what usually happens with a new
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Speaker 1: play caller. You get a two or three series bump.
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Speaker 1: Until the opposing defensive coordinator can sort of adapt to
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Speaker 1: what you're doing, figure it out. If you remember last
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Speaker 1: year early Jay Gruden had some success with Minshew first
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Speaker 1: couple of games, and then it looked like coordinators kind
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Speaker 1: of caught up and said, Okay, this is what he
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Speaker 1: can do with this quarterback. So I would anticipate a
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Speaker 1: similar bump for the first quarter and a half or
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Speaker 1: so on Sunday. I would expect some more life. But
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know after fourteen games, if it's realistic.
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Speaker 1: Thing is gonna be a huge jump from Brian Schottenheimer
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Speaker 1: because as as Darryl mentioned, they've been sort of hand
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Speaker 1: in hand and very like approaches anyway, So I don't
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Speaker 1: think you're gonna see a sea change in terms of uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, complete offensive overhaul. Why not try? Yeah, why
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Speaker 1: not try? Why not try? What I mean? Nothing else
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Speaker 1: has worked? Right? I mean, oh no, no, why not
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Speaker 1: giving it over to him? And and and I know
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Speaker 1: you're not arguing that, John. I think what'll be interesting
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Speaker 1: to watch is Trevor Lawrence has been side by side
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Speaker 1: with Brian Schottenheimer on the sideline, and you know, because
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Speaker 1: the cameras are following the rookie quarterback. They follow him everywhere.
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Speaker 1: You've seen the two men handed glove. I thought it
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Speaker 1: was interesting last week what Trevor talked about, how it
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Speaker 1: was to have Darryl Bevil on the sideline and how
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Speaker 1: nice it was to be able to go back there.
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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of interested in how will the dynamic
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Speaker 1: work with Shottie moving up to the booth again. When
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Speaker 1: you're two and whatever, um, you look for interesting storylines
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Speaker 1: like this. It is it's hard to count how many
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Speaker 1: I catch myself saying two and eleven A lot? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it's yeah. I mean, the reality is you're limp
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Speaker 1: into the finish. You're trying to get there. You're trying
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Speaker 1: to say as healthy as possible and get some reps.
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Speaker 1: But we have storylines, so we'll discuss them. We will.
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Speaker 1: That leads us to big thing to speaking of a storyline,
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Speaker 1: Andre Cisco. We are going to see more of him.
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Speaker 1: That's because ray Sean Jenkins has been placed on injured reserve.
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Speaker 1: But Darryl Bevil did say that he would be in
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Speaker 1: rotation with Daniel Thomas, so Brian, we're not sure exactly
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Speaker 1: how much Cisco, but my gosh, fell fans be happy
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Speaker 1: because he's coming. We just don't know how much. Well,
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Speaker 1: he's certainly a guy who came with a pedigree as
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Speaker 1: being a ball hawk thirteen takeaways in his two seasons
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Speaker 1: as a starter at Syracuse, and man if the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: desperately needed that. I saw him make a very big
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Speaker 1: open field tackle to set up a fourth down at
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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter last week, and as John pointed out,
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Speaker 1: he got blocked pretty easily on that to screenplay on
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Speaker 1: Brandon Cook's final touchdown. So it'll be up, it'll be
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Speaker 1: down hopefully. What you see as a guy who isn't
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Speaker 1: afraid to jump in there and put his nose in
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Speaker 1: against the run and can make a play, maybe an interception,
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Speaker 1: pick up a fumble, something, do anything that says, okay,
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Speaker 1: this is why you're a third round pick before this
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Speaker 1: season comes to a close. Yeah, And I know the
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Speaker 1: Cisco phenomenon has been indeed phenomenal this year in terms
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Speaker 1: of fans wanting to see him, and I get it
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Speaker 1: because he was the sixty five pick in the draft. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It's okay though to see some Daniel Thomas makes Dan
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Speaker 1: here too. They they are both young guys, uh, with
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Speaker 1: potential Daniel Thomas is a guy who could be around
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Speaker 1: here for the next two years. So to get a
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Speaker 1: chance to see both of those guys in this same vein,
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Speaker 1: I do sense that. I'm not sure how they're gonna
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Speaker 1: do it, but you just get the feeling you're gonna
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Speaker 1: see more Walker Little down the stretch, and uh, I
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Speaker 1: don't want them to put Trevor Lawrence on the bench
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Speaker 1: in any way. I would not mind them playing Walker
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Speaker 1: Little over one of the two tackles. And that's in
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Speaker 1: no way a knock on Camra Robinson. I think that's true,
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Speaker 1: even if Cam is here next year. But a chance
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Speaker 1: to see Walker Little in that in that rotation, in
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Speaker 1: that real live uh play, I think I think it's time.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll do it, but I feel
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Speaker 1: like it's time. Yeah, And I think it's interesting. We
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Speaker 1: talked about the scenario of Okay, well j Wan Taylor
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Speaker 1: struggling right now, so put Walker Little in there. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that's going to happened, because I think
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Speaker 1: would have already happened by now if it did. It
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Speaker 1: seems like, especially now with Cam Robinson, you mentioned limping
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Speaker 1: to the finish line with those injuries. It just makes
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Speaker 1: sense put Walker in his natural position and just see
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Speaker 1: what he can do. Yeah, and it didn't make sense before,
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Speaker 1: but then Walker Little came in and now he's played
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Speaker 1: okay without getting the quarterback just waylaid. I think it's
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Speaker 1: a game and a half now, so you've gotten some
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Speaker 1: trust in him. The whole idea of not playing him before,
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Speaker 1: you know, you wanted to protect the quarterback at all
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Speaker 1: costs and you were still quote playing for something. There
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Speaker 1: does come a time late in the season with the
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Speaker 1: struggling team where it is time to see some guys,
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Speaker 1: not a full scale, not every rookie in there, but
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Speaker 1: with a Walker Little, it just feels like it makes sense.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll do it, but it feels
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Speaker 1: like it makes sense. Can go back. I want to
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Speaker 1: go back to to to Daniel Thomas real quick because
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Speaker 1: I agree with everything John said about Walker Little. He's
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Speaker 1: a guy that in training camp last year last summer
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Speaker 1: we were excited about and thought he would find his
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Speaker 1: way onto the field. That hasn't happened. But he's a
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Speaker 1: talented guy, so let's get him out there. Uh. Daniel
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Speaker 1: Thomas is a guy that I had really high hopes
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Speaker 1: for before he got injured in the Pittsburgh game last season.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who when he was
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Speaker 1: on the field in a four game stretch between the
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Speaker 1: game in Houston and the Steelers game where he broke
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Speaker 1: his arm, you know, headed into the locker room at
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Speaker 1: halftime after that interception. He's got size, he's tough, and
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Speaker 1: you're allowed to find sixth round picks who become quality starters.
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Speaker 1: So just because this goes a third round pick doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean Daniel Thomas can't work his way into the lineup
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Speaker 1: as well. He is a really talented guy. And if
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Speaker 1: you went into next year with Cisco and Daniel Thomas
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Speaker 1: both his starters, I think you'd like that outcome. I
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Speaker 1: don't think Dewey is a starting caliber guy. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't know how he's made it
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Speaker 1: all season long. Ray Seon Jacobs is highly paid. But
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Speaker 1: I think Daniel Thomas is a quality football player, and
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Speaker 1: I think if Cisco is what people expect him to be,
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Speaker 1: I think Thomas can surprise some people. I'm excited about
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Speaker 1: him still. I agreed that safety position is just up
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Speaker 1: in the air, and it's up for grabs for Cisco
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Speaker 1: and Daniel Thomas to make something happen. So we'll see
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Speaker 1: this week against the Jets if they can do just that,
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Speaker 1: So here you go, and I'm gonna let John answer
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Speaker 1: this before I have any comment at all. Who would
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Speaker 1: you rather have? Would you rather have an established coach,
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Speaker 1: someone who has done it to come into the franchise,
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Speaker 1: especially in its current state right now, or would you
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Speaker 1: take a chance on one of those up and coming
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Speaker 1: offensive minds, in particular Byron Leftwige Eric b Emity. I
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Speaker 1: mean you choose who, So essentially, John, what I'm saying
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Speaker 1: is Jim called Well or Byron Leftwich, which are the
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Speaker 1: two names that people seem to be bandying about the most.
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Speaker 1: It's a college head coaching on the table, Brian, and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't oh igt um uh. You know. The reality
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Speaker 1: is I don't care which as long as they get
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Speaker 1: it right. And I always go back to if there
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Speaker 1: was a formula for all this, and this ties into
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Speaker 1: my question as well. If there was a formula, teams
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Speaker 1: would always go with the formula, it would work. It
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Speaker 1: comes down to the human being involved. I like the
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Speaker 1: idea Doug Peterson. I like the idea Jim called well so.
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Speaker 1: I guess maybe because of what just happened, I have
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Speaker 1: leaned toward seeing somebody that I've seen done it before,
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Speaker 1: or I've seen him do it before that's not very
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Speaker 1: good English um so Caldwell Peterson, because I've seen them
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Speaker 1: in that role. I get the idea from from watching
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Speaker 1: Doug from Afar Doug Peterson that he's the kind of
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Speaker 1: guy who can sort of say, Okay, this is the
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Speaker 1: way it's supposed to be. Old NFL guy not old,
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Speaker 1: but has been in it for a long time, understands
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Speaker 1: what it takes in the NFL had to calm things down.
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Speaker 1: My gut is that I like that, But what I
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Speaker 1: really hope is that shod goes through it methodically and
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Speaker 1: finds the guy that you just feel like. We'll have
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Speaker 1: the ear of the players, a guy who can connect
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Speaker 1: to the players, and a guy who is genuine with
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Speaker 1: the players. I think it's critical right now no matter
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Speaker 1: which way you go. But the old guy in me,
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Speaker 1: I'll go with the older guys, uh, the guys who've
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Speaker 1: been established. I would say that you can do both.
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Speaker 1: I would say that you can get the old guy
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Speaker 1: is the NFL head coach, then hire as an offensive
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Speaker 1: cordina or the hot new offensive mind. We've seen NFL
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Speaker 1: teams do that. I think you can do both. But
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Speaker 1: my gosh, you need stability right now. Like a millennia
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Speaker 1: over Ryan wants everything at all. And I think you
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Speaker 1: can do both. Why do one when you can have to?
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Speaker 1: You can get both done. But yes, you need some
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Speaker 1: stability right now. So I understand the need for I've
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Speaker 1: done this before, I've seen this, and I can handle this.
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Speaker 1: The issue you have is finding that bright offensive mine
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Speaker 1: who's not already a coordinator, because they're not going to
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Speaker 1: jump ladderally pay him a lot of money. No problem, Well,
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Speaker 1: you generally won't let him. I'll say this I know
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Speaker 1: Byron Left, which well, right he was here. I saw
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Speaker 1: him at the Senior Bowls the years that he was
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Speaker 1: in Arizona. Uh, this is a guy that I would
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Speaker 1: love to be the head coach of the Jaguars. The
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Speaker 1: only cause I have is this is all of a
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Speaker 1: sudden because of the messiness of this year. It's a
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Speaker 1: pretty big lift. I mean, this is someone who's got
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Speaker 1: to come in and not only bring an offense in
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Speaker 1: and take a quarterback and bring him to the next level,
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Speaker 1: but he's a guy who's got to install bulture and
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Speaker 1: all of all of that way of doing things. And
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Speaker 1: I wonder if that's too big for any one of
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Speaker 1: those guys, a b M and or a Left which
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Speaker 1: to deal with. Which is why I kind of leaned
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Speaker 1: towards Caldwell because of his and I said this to John,
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Speaker 1: his ties to Tony Dungee. I mean, a young Tony
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Speaker 1: Dungee would be the perfect person to call him this
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Speaker 1: franchise down right now. Who is that person? And I
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Speaker 1: asked John and he said, well, Jim Caldwell. So Caldwell,
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson obviously comes from the Andy Reid school. We
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Speaker 1: saw what he did there. Any of those names work,
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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna lean towards the veteran guy who's done
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Speaker 1: it before, just because of the circumstances of the season.
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Speaker 1: But always remember, uh, Tony Dungee when he was young,
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Speaker 1: Tony Dungee was a guy who needed a shot. And
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Speaker 1: so there's there are guys out there. There's a young
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Speaker 1: Tony Dungee out there. Uh, it's just a matter of
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Speaker 1: finding him. So that's and and maybe and maybe it's firing.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that guy is by Byron Left, which for people
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Speaker 1: who did not get a chance to know him in
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Speaker 1: his four years, here is an a plus first rate
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Speaker 1: human being who has been through some tough times, who's
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Speaker 1: proving himself on the field at Marshall. He did it
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Speaker 1: not at a high level of this league, but was
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Speaker 1: around a long time and he's certainly done it in
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Speaker 1: his time in Arizona in Tampa. Maybe it's him, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so mine, Yeah, the time for me? Okay. And this
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Speaker 1: is sort of a different version of the same question.
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Speaker 1: Head coach will be an offensive background or defensive background.
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Speaker 1: And uh, I'll ask Brian this, but I'm selfish, so
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk on it first. Um. I the reason
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Speaker 1: I chose this question is what's fascinating. It's not new,
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Speaker 1: but it's it's you know, it's almost as if these
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Speaker 1: days there's no question that it's always going to be
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Speaker 1: an offensive guy. We're dealing with a different scenario this
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Speaker 1: week where the Jets went with Robert Salo, who's a
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Speaker 1: defensive guy. But boy, that's becoming rare. And now it's
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Speaker 1: almost like by default. It's almost like the defensive guy
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Speaker 1: has to be so exceptional to break into the head
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Speaker 1: coaching ranks. Uh, we've really turned as a league toward that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing,
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Speaker 1: because frankly, I think the head coach responsibility is far
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Speaker 1: more about what I mentioned earlier, leadership connection with the players.
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Speaker 1: The players looking at that guy and saying, is this
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Speaker 1: somebody I can believe in? To me, that's a head coach,
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Speaker 1: and whether he's offensive or defensive background, I could care less,
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Speaker 1: but that's not the way the league's going. Uh. The
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Speaker 1: thing I didn't mention here, Brian, there should have been
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Speaker 1: an or special teams because John Harbaugh has shown us,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people who theoretically believe
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Speaker 1: the special teams coach is the best place to jump
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Speaker 1: from because you're dealing with all different players and you're
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Speaker 1: having the league, You're having to deal with adversity more
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Speaker 1: than the others. So I believe it will be offense,
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Speaker 1: because you know, Goodness knows every candidate is an offensive guy.
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Speaker 1: But what do you think, Well, I wouldn't pass up
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Speaker 1: another John Harry Ball and Joe D. Camillis when he
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Speaker 1: was here and I had this long conversation about special
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Speaker 1: teams coordinators, and Joe has been around the league a
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Speaker 1: long time and he wanted a shot to be a
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Speaker 1: head coach, and he kept pointing to Hardball, and he
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Speaker 1: pointed out the fact that the special teams coordinator is
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Speaker 1: the only other coach other than the head coach who
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Speaker 1: gets up in front of the team, the entire team
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Speaker 1: every week. The offensive coordinator doesn't, the defensive coordinator doesn't,
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Speaker 1: the special teams coordinator does. Um, I have to profess ignorance.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who the hot name among special teams
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Speaker 1: coordinators is, but if I'm shot Khan, I certainly want
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Speaker 1: to know because I don't want to miss on that
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Speaker 1: one either. And I hate to sound somewhat millennial. Um, Shelynn,
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Speaker 1: I'm stealing this if you want it. I don't care
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Speaker 1: at all come from not at all, and I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you why, because Sala was the guy that I wanted
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Speaker 1: for this job last year when when names started coming out.
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Speaker 1: Robert salis a stud, the father of six, a guy
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Speaker 1: who built a I'm looking when this defense is really roaring.
17:58
Speaker 1: He was a big part of the reason why smart
18:01
Speaker 1: guy UM, an instant leader, great story, and what he
18:06
Speaker 1: did in San Francisco just built on what he did here.
18:08
Speaker 1: If you have a Robert Salo, a stud personality, that
18:11
Speaker 1: guy that everybody follows and says he's the man, he
18:15
Speaker 1: knows how to do it. I'm doing it his way. Man,
18:17
Speaker 1: go get that guy. I don't care where they come from,
18:21
Speaker 1: um and I and I won't profess to know which
18:24
Speaker 1: of the candidates are that guy. I mean, I think
18:26
Speaker 1: I know because I know Byron, but I think everybody
18:29
Speaker 1: else needs to be able to prove that to con
18:32
Speaker 1: very true. And I think it's dependent as well as
18:34
Speaker 1: who's here, who's staying here. If Joe Colin remains the
18:37
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, I feel good about that. I think he's
18:39
Speaker 1: done a heck of a job this year, and maybe
18:41
Speaker 1: if you have that stability on the defensive side, you
18:43
Speaker 1: you feel better about hiring the offensive mine as head coach.
18:46
Speaker 1: But John, you're right, every guy is an offensive head
18:49
Speaker 1: coach at this point. Yeah, and again I go back
18:51
Speaker 1: to um when the background and the ability as a
18:58
Speaker 1: coordinator is the most overrated part of the head coaching equation.
19:03
Speaker 1: When I worked with Tony Dungee, he always said the
19:06
Speaker 1: biggest adjustment he had to make and go into a
19:08
Speaker 1: head coach was realizing he wasn't the defensive coordinator anymore.
19:11
Speaker 1: You couldn't solve problems by getting in a film room
19:14
Speaker 1: and playing the plays back and forth. You couldn't be
19:17
Speaker 1: the mad scientist anymore. You had to be the leader,
19:19
Speaker 1: and you had to set the tone. It is a
19:21
Speaker 1: different job than coordinator. So don't worry so much about
19:24
Speaker 1: the background, worry about the man. Can I throw this
19:27
Speaker 1: out there real quick? I wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised
19:30
Speaker 1: if we don't see the day, um, John, where the
19:34
Speaker 1: head coach comes from an analytics background. We're talking about
19:38
Speaker 1: the CEO of strategies, right, Um. You don't necessarily have
19:42
Speaker 1: to be able to draw the excess and nose to
19:44
Speaker 1: be able to understand the game and strategize. I think
19:46
Speaker 1: that may be the future, but we've seen analytics grow dramatically.
19:51
Speaker 1: If you can lead, if you can build a good staff,
19:53
Speaker 1: if you can interview well, and if you trust people,
19:56
Speaker 1: and if there are people that you trust, I mean
19:58
Speaker 1: you could see an analytics person who becomes the head
20:01
Speaker 1: coach if they've got that leadership ability. Yes, and communicate communication.
20:06
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the key. That's that's that's out. That's
20:08
Speaker 1: that's a hot a right, that's a Monday kind of thing.
20:11
Speaker 1: They should say that. This conversation with a lot of
20:14
Speaker 1: coaches and talking about where women go in this game,
20:17
Speaker 1: and you see more and more women getting involved in
20:19
Speaker 1: personnel and on the sidelines. And someone asked me, could
20:21
Speaker 1: a woman be a head coach? And I said, yeah,
20:24
Speaker 1: for sure, because you don't have to have played the game.
20:25
Speaker 1: If you understand the strategy of the game. That's what
20:27
Speaker 1: a head coach really is is someone who understands strategy
20:31
Speaker 1: and how to lead players. Very true, has to be
20:33
Speaker 1: a people person. All right, I'm gonna go quickly on this,
20:35
Speaker 1: mind this or that, and this is just for argument's sake,
20:38
Speaker 1: because like millennials say, you can do both. You can
20:40
Speaker 1: keep both these guys, Marvin Jones or DJ Chart. Let's
20:43
Speaker 1: say you can only keep one next year, Brian, who
20:47
Speaker 1: you keeping Chart? Uh? Hey, he's younger, be he is
20:52
Speaker 1: a speed guy. He's got size and speed, He's got
20:54
Speaker 1: all the measurables. I love who Marvin Jones is. I
20:57
Speaker 1: really yeah. I mean he's a fascinating human being and
21:00
Speaker 1: really the kind of guy you want in your locker room.
21:03
Speaker 1: But I've got to go with the size speed ratio
21:05
Speaker 1: the chart brings. And I think that Marvin Jones the
21:07
Speaker 1: struggle to get open this year. Yeah, if I could
21:10
Speaker 1: have in his prime Marvin Jones, I would take Marvin Jones.
21:16
Speaker 1: I thought, well, it would be a conversation, uh with DJs.
21:20
Speaker 1: Brian said, he'll be going into his fifth year. I'm
21:23
Speaker 1: not sure what the future is for either of them,
21:27
Speaker 1: but if you had to have one of them back,
21:28
Speaker 1: I think's DJ Chark because he's shown that he can
21:31
Speaker 1: get deep, and he can when he's right, he can
21:35
Speaker 1: be the dynamic, across the middle, playmaker all those things. Yes,
21:37
Speaker 1: coming off a major injury and luckily posted yesterday on
21:40
Speaker 1: his Instagram that he is off the scooter, rehabbing, back
21:44
Speaker 1: in the pool, back on the treadmill. So good news
21:46
Speaker 1: for DJ. But but that's the big question. How does
21:48
Speaker 1: he rehab from that injury. It's definitely a bullet point. Yeah,
21:51
Speaker 1: it's gonna well, he'll be fine from the injury. I
21:53
Speaker 1: think the big question is how the new decision makers,
21:56
Speaker 1: however that plays out, are going to feel about him
21:59
Speaker 1: and where DJ thinks his market value is versus the
22:02
Speaker 1: jagged with the injury throws a lot of clouds into that.
22:07
Speaker 1: Who knows. I hope he's back. He's a good kid.
22:08
Speaker 1: I like him, absolutely agree. And that is the curtained
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Speaker 1: what do you got for us? Next year? We will
22:42
Speaker 1: have the quarterback first pick in a massive amount of
22:45
Speaker 1: cap space. It's safe to say with who our owner
22:48
Speaker 1: gets at coach is the most important higher in Jaguar's history. Yeah,
22:53
Speaker 1: I included this, and I kind of laughed at because
22:55
Speaker 1: my answer when I was reading, uh, when I was
22:58
Speaker 1: writing the answer to this question was Yeah, just like
23:00
Speaker 1: last year, it's the same situation, but it's even moved
23:07
Speaker 1: forward one more year, and that there's a little bit
23:09
Speaker 1: of a time element. Now, last year when you were
23:12
Speaker 1: hiring Irvin Meyer to coach Trevor Lawrence, which that was
23:14
Speaker 1: what it was going to be, he was a rookie. Well,
23:17
Speaker 1: now he's in a second year and you have to
23:19
Speaker 1: fix some of the things that went on this year
23:21
Speaker 1: to do it. So is it the most important? Uh?
23:25
Speaker 1: In some ways yes, because every head coach almost by
23:28
Speaker 1: its nature, is the most important higher of all time
23:31
Speaker 1: because it's what it is. But I think in this
23:33
Speaker 1: case it is again unfortunately again, you know, I was
23:37
Speaker 1: thinking about this when I saw this question. When the
23:40
Speaker 1: Dragonards are winning in the nineties, everyone laughed at the
23:43
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. Remember they had that string of quarterbacks with
23:46
Speaker 1: David Klingler and Achilles Smith and they just couldn't get
23:48
Speaker 1: it right. Um, But they had been really good in
23:52
Speaker 1: the late eighties. In the eighties, everyone laughed at the Saints.
23:55
Speaker 1: Remember when they were the Eights, the first team to
23:57
Speaker 1: go one in fifteen in a sixteen games schedule, And
24:00
Speaker 1: we can go back and find these franchises that become that. Well,
24:05
Speaker 1: where the Jaguars are now when people look at losing
24:08
Speaker 1: franchises and what a point their figure, they said, well,
24:10
Speaker 1: at least you know we're not the Jaguars or the
24:13
Speaker 1: lowly Jaguars, as the writer in the Wall Street Journal
24:16
Speaker 1: referred to the Jaguars in the same article you know
24:18
Speaker 1: three times last week. It's important because they've got to
24:22
Speaker 1: get away from that, right. Eventually the Bengals got away
24:25
Speaker 1: from that. Eventually the Saints got away from that, and
24:29
Speaker 1: for the Saints it was a long time. It really
24:31
Speaker 1: didn't get away from it until they got Sean Payton
24:33
Speaker 1: in there. Um, although did have a nice little run
24:35
Speaker 1: there in the in the mid eighties with a dome patrol.
24:37
Speaker 1: But I digress. You get my point, John, What I'm
24:39
Speaker 1: talking about is getting past the stigma that the Jaguars
24:43
Speaker 1: franchise will never be any good. It certainly can be good.
24:47
Speaker 1: It can be good next year if they pulled the
24:49
Speaker 1: right levers and make things happen but we should never
24:52
Speaker 1: just assume that the Jaguars can't be better, because every
24:55
Speaker 1: franchise has its turn at the bottom, and I think
24:58
Speaker 1: it's time for the Jaguars to get past it. So
25:00
Speaker 1: certainly this is a huge higher. Yeah. I mean, people
25:03
Speaker 1: ask me who's had the number one pick overall two
25:06
Speaker 1: years in a row. Well, the Browns have done it twice.
25:08
Speaker 1: Look at the Browns now they're a competitive franchise. The
25:10
Speaker 1: Bucks have done it twice. They've won. They've also won
25:13
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls. The Colts had the number one picked
25:16
Speaker 1: two out of three years a few years before I
25:18
Speaker 1: got there, and then they were on a run of
25:20
Speaker 1: unbelievable success. Uh. This will turn around at some point. Uh,
25:26
Speaker 1: it has to, and it will because it's it's the
25:28
Speaker 1: sickle of nature of the league. The next head coach
25:31
Speaker 1: has a chance to do it, and I will see. Yes,
25:33
Speaker 1: I got to get the right guy in there. Let's
25:34
Speaker 1: go to Atlantic Beach, Chad, All right, John shot Khan
25:39
Speaker 1: gives you the power to do one thing to turn
25:42
Speaker 1: this ship around. What do you do? Hire the right guy?
25:47
Speaker 1: And I'm joking, but that's sort of the theme of
25:49
Speaker 1: the show. It I don't care necessarily who specifically. It is.
25:55
Speaker 1: The more I look at it, the more I like
25:57
Speaker 1: the idea of of Doug Peterson and Jim all the Well.
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Speaker 1: You know, Doug, I've been looking at more and reading
26:04
Speaker 1: more about I like that idea because he seems to
26:07
Speaker 1: have a a a a leadership, head, head guy quality
26:12
Speaker 1: that I like. So maybe for the sake of this answer,
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Speaker 1: I'll say go with him, but hire the right guy.
26:20
Speaker 1: And by right guy I mean a guy who the
26:24
Speaker 1: players will believe in even in tough times. All Right,
26:30
Speaker 1: I think that's a reasonable answer. I just want to
26:33
Speaker 1: expect it. Here's mine, spend to the cap over the
26:37
Speaker 1: next three years. When you look at the Dragon Wars
26:39
Speaker 1: salary cap situation, it is well managed. They always have
26:43
Speaker 1: room to flop money over into the next year. And
26:46
Speaker 1: for the next three years, they've got a rookie playing
26:48
Speaker 1: a franchise caliber rookie I still believe, playing on his
26:52
Speaker 1: rookie deal maximize the next three years. The rule is
26:55
Speaker 1: is that over any three given period, you have to
26:58
Speaker 1: spend the average of the well. The cap took a
27:01
Speaker 1: huge jump this year, and it's gonna take a bigger
27:03
Speaker 1: jump next year. The money is coming spend to the cap,
27:07
Speaker 1: get the check book out. Now. I don't mean to
27:08
Speaker 1: spend like a drunken sailor and just sign anybody, but
27:11
Speaker 1: Davanta Adams is going to be a free agent. If
27:13
Speaker 1: you want Davante Adams, you're probably fighting with the Raiders
27:17
Speaker 1: and the Chargers, two teams that will take a chance
27:19
Speaker 1: on that kind of speed and will write a check
27:22
Speaker 1: markets that he probably like to go to. However, get
27:25
Speaker 1: in it, write him a bigger check. In other words,
27:28
Speaker 1: I want to keep Josh Allen. I want Davante Adams
27:31
Speaker 1: or Alan Robinson or whoever the big receiver is that
27:34
Speaker 1: can come in and give my quarterback a chance to go.
27:37
Speaker 1: And look at the Bucking Ears. You look at the
27:39
Speaker 1: Rams and the chances that they take with draft capital
27:42
Speaker 1: and with um salary cap room. Okay, I mean the
27:46
Speaker 1: part of me like John that's the old guy says,
27:48
Speaker 1: who don't get out there too far because you'll get
27:51
Speaker 1: cut off. And we saw what happened twenty years ago
27:54
Speaker 1: to this franchise. But you know whatever, the next three years,
27:56
Speaker 1: while I've got some flexibility in my cap, if I'm
27:58
Speaker 1: Sean Conner, if he tells me, I get to make
28:00
Speaker 1: the decision. I opened that check book out and I
28:03
Speaker 1: start spending, and I start making aggressive plays for players
28:06
Speaker 1: that I identify have all the right attributes physical and
28:10
Speaker 1: leadership right, and I bring them in and I get
28:13
Speaker 1: I'm not tired of being the Bengals from the nineties.
28:16
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the Jaguars of the twenties.
28:19
Speaker 1: Damn it. I want to go forward. Here's my checkbook
28:22
Speaker 1: starts spending and Slynna, I know you'd love that, but
28:25
Speaker 1: you'd be online buying stuff from Amazon. I'm so for
28:29
Speaker 1: that take. And Davante Adams sounds real nice right about now.
28:33
Speaker 1: That would be a good thing to happen. And that
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