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UK Column News Podcast 22nd January 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the twenty second of January twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Rumson. Joining me in the studio
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Speaker 1: today is Charles Mallet. Well programmed, Charles, Thank you, Mike.
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Speaker 1: We're hoping to have Vanessa on a little bit later,
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Speaker 1: but we're still having technical problems between here and Lebanon.
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Speaker 1: But we're going to get started off with the Trump inauguration,
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Speaker 1: of course. So President Trump has now been president again
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Speaker 1: for two days, and the question is how's that going? Immigration,
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Speaker 1: climate change, gender and exiting the World Health Organization appeared
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Speaker 1: to be the cover for some perhaps less exciting policies
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Speaker 1: and executive orders, and I'm delighted to say that. Joining
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Speaker 1: me today to discuss the first forty eight hours of
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Speaker 1: the new Trump presidency is Patrick Hennison. Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Patrick thinks, Mike, great to be with you.
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Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on what happened on Monday?
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Speaker 1: That obviously a lot of executive orders signed on that day.
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Speaker 1: Is that normal.
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Speaker 2: For the first day, It's not.
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Speaker 3: It's definitely He's way ahead of any previous presidents for
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Speaker 3: the number of executive orders signed on the first day
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Speaker 3: after being sworn in, So he's like way ahead of
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Speaker 3: all previous presidents.
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Speaker 2: So there's been.
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Speaker 3: Quite a few executive actions and executive orders and some
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Speaker 3: really significant ones, so hugely impactful. And he's made good
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Speaker 3: on a lot of his campaign promises. And I think
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Speaker 3: this is he's off to a good start with his base,
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Speaker 3: especially with pardoning the j sixth January sixth people a
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Speaker 3: lot of people regard as political prisoners fifteen hundred or so,
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Speaker 3: that's huge, the anti censorship executive order, immediately putting pressure
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Speaker 3: on big tech in all the other ones you mentioned,
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Speaker 3: including the potentially revoking the security clearance of the fifty
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Speaker 3: one intelligence officers that helped to float out the hoax
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Speaker 3: that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation that helped
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Speaker 3: Biden win the twenty twenty election.
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Speaker 2: So if these are any indication to.
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Speaker 3: Go by, they'll be perhaps some of these issues will
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Speaker 3: be revisited in the first year of his administration, we'll see, yes.
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Speaker 1: Now on the immigration front, he's mentioned calling it a
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Speaker 1: national emergency. He's talking about closing the border. He's talking
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Speaker 1: about birthright citizenship, which will come on to in a minute,
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Speaker 1: he's bringing back what he's describing as the Reman in
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Speaker 1: Mexico policy. And the other thing was the death penalty
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Speaker 1: for people that commit crimes for immigrants at crimes on
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Speaker 1: US soil. So these, I presume are would be perceived
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Speaker 1: by many as being extremely popular moves. My question to you,
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Speaker 1: real is do you think is this treating a symptom?
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Speaker 1: Is he pushing the problem sides of the border. It
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Speaker 1: will not disappear as a problem. He's not, on the surface,
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Speaker 1: at least, doing anything to address the cause of the
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Speaker 1: migration in the first place. And so my question would
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Speaker 1: be will this energize the people trafficking networks and will
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Speaker 1: this turn into sort of similar to the War on drugs,
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Speaker 1: really something that never really goes away.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is a difficult issue. I mean, in the
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Speaker 3: short term, I think this is a knock against the
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Speaker 3: drug and the human trafficking cartels because what the Democrats
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Speaker 3: did was create a demand, because the policy was such
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Speaker 3: that it was quite obvious that there was kind of
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Speaker 3: an open border, kind of automatic asylum process that was
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Speaker 3: the Democrats were basically running, and so the cartels used
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Speaker 3: that as a green light to start organizing caravans, and
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Speaker 3: the whole thing was kind of systematized, almost like a business,
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Speaker 3: and the numbers don't lie in terms of the amount
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Speaker 3: of people flowing across the southern border. And so that
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Speaker 3: was the policy for four years and as soon as
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Speaker 3: there was an announcement that the Biden administration and Harris
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Speaker 3: basically put throttled immigration the last four months because they
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Speaker 3: were taking such a huge battering in the polls on
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Speaker 3: this issue during the twenty twenty four election cycle. So
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Speaker 3: apprehensions and things like that, record highs in the last
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Speaker 3: four months under Biden, Deportations record highs under Biden. So
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Speaker 3: they did they did already change this policy before Trump
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Speaker 3: was sworn in, and so he's going to continue that.
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Speaker 3: And just the fact that he's in he's in power,
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Speaker 3: means that there's going to be a whole lot less
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Speaker 3: people coming through that direction.
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Speaker 2: So you know, in the short term, in the.
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Speaker 3: Long term, it does mean that you could have more
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Speaker 3: intense warfare, at least on the drug trafficking side. And
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Speaker 3: the President is already declared or he's going to be
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Speaker 3: trying to push to to to label the cartels as
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Speaker 3: as terrorist organizations.
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Speaker 2: So if that's the case.
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Speaker 3: This isn't the first time this has happened, by the way,
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Speaker 3: you know, during the War on Drugs and the United
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Speaker 3: States got intimately involved in arming their own sort of
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Speaker 3: counter cartel, which became the Zeta cartel. It totally backfire.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of a moujah dean al Quaeda type, you know,
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Speaker 3: a thing that happened there. And so, yeah, the Cinelo
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Speaker 3: and the Zeta cartels two major drug trafficking cartels that
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Speaker 3: became so powerful and their influenced stretch even further throughout
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Speaker 3: Central America, not just Mexico or Colombia. So this can
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Speaker 3: create more problems as well, but it's a huge problem.
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Speaker 3: It really depends on how well the US government's able
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Speaker 3: to coordinate with Mexico in the new government there, as
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Speaker 3: well as these other Central American countries.
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Speaker 2: Certainly they have an ally with Bouqueli as well.
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Speaker 3: In a country like El Salvador, so it's not as if,
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Speaker 3: you know, they don't have allies in the region. But
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Speaker 3: you know, we'll see. But on immigration, definitely it's short
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Speaker 3: term huge throttling of the migrant flows.
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Speaker 1: And on the issue of these citizenship orders, I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is supposed to stop people that have emigrated in
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Speaker 1: immigrants into the United States from giving birth the children
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Speaker 1: and they automatically getting US citizenship and so on. We've
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Speaker 1: got the New York Times here. You sent me this
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Speaker 1: article earlier on saying that twenty two states are nice
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Speaker 1: suing the star Trump's birthright citizenship order. What are your
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Speaker 1: thoughts and not the any prospect of success?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think some of these will. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's going to go through the legal process. So the
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Speaker 3: birthright citizen or anchor baby issue, as well as death
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Speaker 3: penalty for immigrants who are committing certain types of crimes
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Speaker 3: in the US, these are all going to be challenged
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Speaker 3: at the constitutional level. So for the activist jurists and
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Speaker 3: for this is money that's bleeding out of the left
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Speaker 3: and the Democratic side that we normally go towards the
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Speaker 3: next midterms.
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Speaker 2: They'll be fighting these issues in the courts.
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Speaker 3: So that's you know, from a financial point of view,
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Speaker 3: you know, the Soros money that's going to be paying
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Speaker 3: for a lot of these legal challenges, that's money that
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Speaker 3: could be allocated for the Democrats ground game or to
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Speaker 3: do other things to get back into power. So you know,
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Speaker 3: again huge advantage from Trump and the new kind of
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Speaker 3: Republican Party by putting their opposition on the back heel
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Speaker 3: on this issue. So you'll see a lot of this
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Speaker 3: really extreme positions by Donald Trump, knowing that these are
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Speaker 3: going to get challenged in the courts, and the Republicans
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Speaker 3: will just turn around and say, hey, you know, elections
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Speaker 3: have consequences, and they'll let this thing play out in
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Speaker 3: the same way that the Democrats. The shoe is on
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Speaker 3: the other foot, and the Democrats are putting the same
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Speaker 3: type of extreme pressure forcing the right and conservative groups
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Speaker 3: to fight these issues for years in the courts. Now
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Speaker 3: the tables have been turned. So that's very interesting.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and date two other policies which may be unsurprising
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Speaker 1: in some ways but others getting very very excited about it.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the climate and the removal of the United
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Speaker 1: States from the partis the Cords. But also Drill, Baby, Drill,
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Speaker 1: because that's what he was saying on Monday, and the
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Speaker 1: World Health Organization to pretty massive announcement.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we knew the Paris Climate courts were going
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Speaker 3: to get pulled because that's kind of what Trump did
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Speaker 3: in his first term, and he promised that on the
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Speaker 3: campaign trail and there's no reason to believe that he
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Speaker 3: wouldn't go through with it, especially after you know, removing
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Speaker 3: who funding, pulling out of the Paris Climate Cords.
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Speaker 2: So he's basically killed the Green New Deal again.
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Speaker 3: So this is a this is a really devastating knockback
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Speaker 3: for Davos and World Economic Forum, for the green agenda
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Speaker 3: in general. So and also he's you know, removing the
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Speaker 3: ev electric vehicle mandate at the federal level. It's as
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Speaker 3: Tesla's stock prices we've been struggling over the last forty
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Speaker 3: eight hours ago.
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Speaker 2: Look at the up ands and downs in the Tesla.
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Speaker 3: Certainly that's a reaction to Trump's speech at the inauguration.
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Speaker 3: Certainly not good for Elon Musk ironically, but yeah, but
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Speaker 3: it's really kind of bringing energy policy and bringing economic
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Speaker 3: policy a little bit back to reality. And certainly this
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Speaker 3: has created tremors and you're going to see it will
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Speaker 3: take the delayed reaction, but you will see a delayed
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Speaker 3: reaction from this in the UK and in Europe, and
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, these green policies are no longer
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Speaker 3: saco sanct and no longer in vogue eventually, and then
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Speaker 3: you'll start to see people questioning at government levels in
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Speaker 3: EU member states, political leaders and so forth, questioning the
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Speaker 3: wisdom of these of energy policy, and who knows where
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Speaker 3: that's going to end. Will eventually probably end up on
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Speaker 3: the foreign policy debate visa the Russian gas for instance.
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Speaker 3: So it's going to be a battle. At the same time,
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Speaker 3: the US is going to want to keep enforcing energy
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Speaker 3: policy in Europe and stuff like that. But for the UK,
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Speaker 3: you know, think of all the draconian measures, the attack
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Speaker 3: on the combustion engine and all of these things. Now
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Speaker 3: people might get a little inspiration from across the pond.
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Speaker 3: Discussion could change.
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Speaker 1: Are we going to see Greta back.
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 3: Greta is busy with the Palestinian issue. She found a
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Speaker 3: real issue. So I'm very inspired by Greta two point
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Speaker 3: zero in that respect. She's found a real issue, she
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Speaker 3: seems to be really into it, and she's actually getting
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Speaker 3: arrested for real, as opposed to sort of the stage
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Speaker 3: arrests when she was doing climate activism. So I think
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Speaker 3: this is a great result. The evolution of Greta Thunberg
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Speaker 3: is fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The other big announcement pretty much as we'll see
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Speaker 1: later in the program, parallel to what's been announced in
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Speaker 1: the UK as well is starget as has been described
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Speaker 1: five hundred billion dollars as open AI, Oracle and soft
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Speaker 1: Bank involved in it. So an initial investment of one
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Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars and then over the next four or
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Speaker 1: five years that's going to increase the five hundred billion.
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Speaker 1: Larry Ellison unfilled his plant. Well, well, come on to
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Speaker 1: well sit We'll show a little bit of what Larry
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Speaker 1: Ellison said on Monday. Let's have look at this.
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Speaker 4: Once we gene sequence, Once we gene sequence that cancer tumor,
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Speaker 4: you can then vaccinate the person, design a vaccine for
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Speaker 4: every individual person to vaccinate them against that cancer, and
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Speaker 4: you can make that vaccine, that mRNA vaccine. You can
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Speaker 4: make that robotically again using AI, in about forty eight hours.
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Speaker 4: So imagine early cancer detection, the development of a cancer
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Speaker 4: vaccine for your particular cancer aimed at you, and have
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Speaker 4: that vaccine available in forty eight hours. This is the
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Speaker 4: promise of AI and the promise of the future.
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Speaker 1: Now again, this issue of personalized treatment has been something
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Speaker 1: that Debbie has been talking about for two years now.
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Speaker 1: We've been pushing this extremely hard that this is what
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Speaker 1: is coming, but Ellison talking about artificial intelligence driven cancer
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Speaker 1: vaccine system. This is part and Parcel has been wrapped
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Speaker 1: up in amongst this s target system. But they're talking
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Speaker 1: about just as we are in the United Kingdom, they're
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Speaker 1: talking about Patrick building data centers, this time in Texas
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Speaker 1: and huge AI infrastructure that goes alongside that.
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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts, Well, firstly, I can't imagine with
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Speaker 3: all the money and power Larry Elison has that he
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Speaker 3: couldn't find a decent plastic surgeon. He's had so much
13:36
Speaker 3: work done. But put that aside for the moment. The
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Speaker 3: science behind mRNA is just absolute crack pot science. It's
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Speaker 3: not proved, it hasn't been proven to be effective and
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Speaker 3: work at all. They've waived all of these sort of
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Speaker 3: prerequisites in terms of testing and showing that it's efficacy
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Speaker 3: because of COVID, So they've unleashed this supposed miracle tech.
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Speaker 3: But clinically and in reality, it's vaporware. M RNA technology
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Speaker 3: is vaporware, and it's been it's been driven by COVID.
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Speaker 3: It's made many billionaires have been created through it's it's
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Speaker 3: unleashing onto the population. But it's ridiculous and to the
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Speaker 3: idea that you can vaccinate for cancer is insane. And
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Speaker 3: it's funny that this is coming at a time when
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Speaker 3: there's all sorts of really effective alternative cancer therapies, including
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Speaker 3: metabolic therapy that doesn't cost anything, but doesn't have any
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Speaker 3: ROI return on investment in terms of intellectual property. But
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Speaker 3: that's where a lot of the that's the leading edge
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Speaker 3: of cancer research. And so where's Larry Ellison on that? Well,
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Speaker 3: there's no money to be made on that, So I
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Speaker 3: don't know. In terms of the AI issue, this this
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Speaker 3: is one of those you know, great big tech oligarchs
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Speaker 3: that sits at that top committee with the other know
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Speaker 3: tech pros as they call them, and in the biotech
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Speaker 3: sphere as well, Bill Gates and others. And they have
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Speaker 3: their own agenda because they've they've sunk so much money
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Speaker 3: in capital into some of these technologies and companies and
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Speaker 3: they want to see a return on investment, and they're
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Speaker 3: going out in the public and making their case and
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Speaker 3: really hyping some of this stuff. But you know, on
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Speaker 3: the back end, you know, and even if it worked,
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Speaker 3: you know in America, who would have access to it?
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Speaker 3: Only the top payers as well. So but that's even
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Speaker 3: if you can prove that this stuff even works at all.
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Speaker 3: But it doesn't, you know, just to go I P O,
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Speaker 3: you don't need what Maderna approved and what Biointech had
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Speaker 3: proven and all these other companies. Is it now potentially
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Speaker 3: you can go I PO without even having to prove
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Speaker 3: that the thing works. So it's just like the dot
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Speaker 3: com boom in that sense. So a total fraud, total scam.
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Speaker 3: That's how I look at it. I'm very skeptical, and
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Speaker 3: of course I'll be hated for it by some people,
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Speaker 3: but there you go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean you're absolutely right. There is a
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Speaker 1: they have their own policy agenda behind this. And I
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Speaker 1: just want to play a short clip from Larry Ellison
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Speaker 1: from September twenty twenty four. This is at the Oracle
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Speaker 1: Financial Analyst meeting. Let's just listen to what he has
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Speaker 1: to say about here.
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Speaker 4: The police will be on their best behavior because we record.
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Speaker 4: We're constantly recording, watching and recording everything that's going on.
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Speaker 4: Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're constantly
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Speaker 4: recording and reporting everything that's going on, and it's it's unimpeachable.
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Speaker 4: The cars, the cars have camera, you know, camera cameras
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Speaker 4: on them all right, I think we have a squad
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Speaker 4: car here someplace, but those kind of applications using AI,
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Speaker 4: if we can use AI, and we're using AI to
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Speaker 4: monitor the video. So if that altercation had occurred, the
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Speaker 4: occurred in Memphis, the chief of police would be immediately notified.
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Speaker 4: It's not people that are looking at those cameras, it's
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Speaker 4: AI that's look at the camera. No, no, no, you
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Speaker 4: can't do this. It would be like a shooting that's
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Speaker 4: going to be immediately. That's going to be an event
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Speaker 4: that's immediately, an alarm is going to go off. It's
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Speaker 4: gonna be and we're gonna, we're gonna.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he knows what they're going to do,
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Speaker 1: But anyway, is that no technocracy right there? Patrick?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is this is important for people
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Speaker 3: to understand the technocrat. The technocrat believes that they they
17:31
Speaker 3: identify the problem and they then assemble the experts they
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Speaker 3: and they are the experts, and their buddies are the experts,
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Speaker 3: and then they provide.
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Speaker 2: Us with a solution.
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Speaker 3: So it's that that's and they control that whole process
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Speaker 3: from beginning to end. And the idea is that they
17:47
Speaker 3: can uh, you know, make every aspect of life and
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Speaker 3: society convenient through AI and digital processes. And so that's
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Speaker 3: the promise of the big tech all garky, and they
18:01
Speaker 3: want to accelerate this process. And it's all about acceleration.
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Speaker 3: And now you can see this with the statements and
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Speaker 3: have this coterie surrounding Donald Trump at the inauguration and
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Speaker 3: a lot of the statements that he's made regarding technology
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Speaker 3: and so forth, that we're going to be full steam
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Speaker 3: ahead on AI and all these various applications, and it's
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Speaker 3: about accelerate, accelerate, accelerate, remove regulations, deregulate. Elon Musk is
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Speaker 3: put himself embedded inside government who he'll have privy to,
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Speaker 3: you know, government budgets and spending as well. And I'm
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Speaker 3: sure he and Alex Karp from Pallenteer and Mark Zuckerberg
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Speaker 3: from Meta and Jeff Besso's had a front row seat
18:42
Speaker 3: as well with AWS, Amazon web servers, big data centers
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Speaker 3: that they're going to divide up the pie of federal
18:51
Speaker 3: money amongst themselves. And also the defense industry Palmer Lucky
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Speaker 3: as well, building an empire in Ohio for drone and
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Speaker 3: US fighter manufacturing.
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Speaker 2: And so forth.
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Speaker 3: So these are all this is Silicon Valley moving into defense,
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Speaker 3: moving into NSA, surveillance, law enforcement. And so if they're
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Speaker 3: promising that all of this is going to be easier
19:17
Speaker 3: and more convenient and cheaper, but let us do this transition,
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Speaker 3: remove all regulations and it's a full merger of government
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Speaker 3: and corporate interests. And who who warned us about that
19:30
Speaker 3: or who coined that term eighty years ago? But Benito
19:35
Speaker 3: Mussolini the definition of fascism as corporativism. So this technocracy
19:41
Speaker 3: is interchangeable with fascism, and technocrats tend to be fascists
19:46
Speaker 3: in terms of their problem solving everything is a problem.
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk, Oh, this is a problem that we got
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Speaker 3: to solve. Larry Elison, Oh, we're going to solve this problem.
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Speaker 2: We've got the technology over here.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, this is a big fat government
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Speaker 3: contract to that UK they're going to be on board
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Speaker 3: with this because obviously all surveillance is pioneered in the UK,
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Speaker 3: so they're going to have a big part of this
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Speaker 3: as well as Europe. So that's what's happening in the West.
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Speaker 3: So a big wealth transfer as well into this sector.
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Speaker 5: Patrick, just to go back to migration for a little bit,
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Speaker 5: and it's relationship with food security. There's a campaign about
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Speaker 5: the prevalence of undocumented workers working in agriculture, effectively keeping
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Speaker 5: the system afloat. To what extent do you think the
20:32
Speaker 5: population are aware that their food is only the price
20:35
Speaker 5: it is because of undocumented workers, and also given that
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Speaker 5: the food the big food industry is reliant upon them,
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Speaker 5: how do you see that panning out?
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Speaker 3: People are very aware of that, especially in the Western States,
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Speaker 3: because California, the San Joaquin Valleys the bread basket you know,
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Speaker 3: of the United States agriculturally, it's regarded as such, not
20:58
Speaker 3: so much the Midwest that's more grains, barley, beef, livestock,
21:04
Speaker 3: and so forth, but in corn. But when you get
21:07
Speaker 3: to the Western States and San Joaquin Valley, you have
21:09
Speaker 3: all of those products. And it's well known as a
21:11
Speaker 3: huge migrant workforce that will seasonally come into the United
21:16
Speaker 3: States or permanently come in and work seasonally. And so
21:20
Speaker 3: that's it's no surprise there in terms of the you know,
21:24
Speaker 3: tightening up immigration what Donald Trump's talking about. This isn't
21:28
Speaker 3: going to be migrant ag workers or hotel workers or
21:33
Speaker 3: you know, chamber maids or you know, waitresses and things
21:36
Speaker 3: like that. No, it's he's been very specific about it,
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Speaker 3: definitely focusing on the criminal aspect of want to kind
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Speaker 3: of reprobates in the United States and so forth. But
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Speaker 3: you know, in terms of food prices, I mean, the
21:52
Speaker 3: issue in California is water and water supplies available water supplies,
21:59
Speaker 3: and and so if California is going to become a
22:02
Speaker 3: bread basket for America again and there's going to be
22:05
Speaker 3: less imports from Chile or Brazil or Argentina or Guatemala
22:11
Speaker 3: or Honduras and so forth, in Mexico, even that means
22:15
Speaker 3: that they have to solve a lot of these problems.
22:17
Speaker 3: But I think that it's a it's kind of a
22:20
Speaker 3: fact of life for America in Europe and UK that
22:24
Speaker 3: the global South is going to be providing substantial amounts
22:29
Speaker 3: of because we're so used to eating things year round,
22:32
Speaker 3: you know, we don't eat seat everything's available in supermarket
22:35
Speaker 3: right now, broccoli is from Kenya, but in two months
22:38
Speaker 3: it's going to be.
22:39
Speaker 2: From somewhere else. So that's just life in you know,
22:43
Speaker 2: in the West.
22:46
Speaker 1: It is indeed, right, Okay, right, Pat, Let's move on
22:51
Speaker 1: to two other well, one other major area, and that
22:53
Speaker 1: is the question of war Trump. If we go back
22:56
Speaker 1: this and I think was July or something, this article
22:59
Speaker 1: in AP Trump says he can end the Russia Ukraine
23:02
Speaker 1: War in one day. Russia's UN ambassador says he can't. Clearly,
23:08
Speaker 1: he is now asked for discussions to begin officially with
23:13
Speaker 1: Russia and China. But taking Russia first, what do you
23:17
Speaker 1: think the prospects are there? Is he going to do
23:19
Speaker 1: what he says and end the Ukraine War or not?
23:23
Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting. We recently translated a piece by Patrushev,
23:31
Speaker 3: who's on the Russian National Security Council, basically is Jake
23:35
Speaker 3: Putin's Jake Sullivan, and they're basically saying this is what
23:40
Speaker 3: Moscow is saying. No, you're not going to be able
23:42
Speaker 3: to end it in twenty four hours. I think that's
23:44
Speaker 3: really rhetoric, wishful thinking on the part of Trump, because
23:48
Speaker 3: the US don't hold any cards in Ukraine. The only
23:51
Speaker 3: cards of the US hold or NATO holds. His ability
23:55
Speaker 3: to antagonize or disrupt the situation by launching forays into
23:59
Speaker 3: the cursed region or you know, attacking targets in Russian
24:04
Speaker 3: territory sending storm Shadow scalp missiles in there. That so
24:08
Speaker 3: only to disrupt, to antagonize, to kind of radicalize the
24:14
Speaker 3: situation there. But the Russian has been very clear, and
24:18
Speaker 3: so we know that what the timeline is going to be.
24:20
Speaker 3: Russia said they will not have any binding negotiations with
24:24
Speaker 3: Ukraine until there's elections. They're not going to sign anything
24:28
Speaker 3: with Zelensky because they don't believe that he's going to
24:31
Speaker 3: be president much longer or indefinitely, and they don't trust
24:36
Speaker 3: him because he's basically renegged and gone back on pretty
24:40
Speaker 3: much everything from when he campaigned as president till now.
24:45
Speaker 3: And they had an agreement in Istanbul, and of course
24:47
Speaker 3: Vilensky agreed on it, and then Boris Johnson twisted his
24:50
Speaker 3: arm a little bit, uh, and that was that. So
24:53
Speaker 3: when is that election day going to come? You'll know
24:55
Speaker 3: this is serious when you start hearing someone from the
24:59
Speaker 3: Trump camp mentioning election timetable? Is that going to be
25:04
Speaker 3: in June? Is it going to be in September? And
25:06
Speaker 3: then it's serious. Until that time, there's no way that
25:11
Speaker 3: they might.
25:12
Speaker 2: Be able to get a cease fire.
25:14
Speaker 3: They might be able to get a pause or freeze,
25:16
Speaker 3: but that's not going to be, you know, it's not
25:18
Speaker 3: going to stop.
25:20
Speaker 2: Is that going to be?
25:21
Speaker 6: Like?
25:22
Speaker 3: You know, is Ukraine going to stop doing what they're doing?
25:25
Speaker 3: They might just continue with the old formula and to
25:28
Speaker 3: try to delay of the situation. And I think the
25:31
Speaker 3: US providing arms and aid to Ukraine for a while
25:34
Speaker 3: longer and keeping NATO on the same program.
25:37
Speaker 2: That's not a loss for the US or for NATO.
25:41
Speaker 3: So I don't know until you is there going to
25:44
Speaker 3: be a democratic outcome in what's left of Ukraine? That's
25:48
Speaker 3: the big question. And so and then who are their
25:51
Speaker 3: front runners for that? The only thing that could upend
25:54
Speaker 3: that is if there was a coup. If there was
25:56
Speaker 3: a coup in Kiev. Now that could change this whole
25:59
Speaker 3: dynas who would be the likely successor in a coup
26:04
Speaker 3: atta it would have to be engineered by the Americans
26:07
Speaker 3: in the British So who would be the well, it's
26:10
Speaker 3: the British ambassador or sorry, the Ukrainian ambassador to Britain,
26:13
Speaker 3: Valerie's Illushni who's hanging out in Mayfair at the moment.
26:17
Speaker 3: So he would be the likely successor to Zelensky in
26:21
Speaker 3: an orchestrated coup the other one would be Alexi Aristovitch.
26:25
Speaker 3: He's more of a wild card. He's decamped in America,
26:29
Speaker 3: he's more pro Russian. So I know who the British
26:31
Speaker 3: would prefer. Definitely is ILLUSIONI. They're putting him through his
26:35
Speaker 3: paces right now, So he's not he's not. He's not
26:38
Speaker 3: in London for nothing, that's the thing. So maybe also
26:42
Speaker 3: to protect him from Nordstream uh prosecution perhaps you know,
26:47
Speaker 3: so he's not going to be dragged in front of
26:49
Speaker 3: a court in Berlin to be deposed. So but uh so, anyway,
26:54
Speaker 3: I think Trump they have their work cut out for
26:57
Speaker 3: them there. They're so on the back heels America and
27:00
Speaker 3: Biden has in what NATO have done, have created such
27:03
Speaker 3: a hole that it's going to take a miracle to
27:07
Speaker 3: dig out of. From from the US position, it's it's
27:11
Speaker 3: in there. There's going to be no seating of territory,
27:14
Speaker 3: not going to happen. And if unless Trump is going
27:18
Speaker 3: to be threatening World War three and you're not going
27:21
Speaker 3: to be able to engage with Russia on that type
27:24
Speaker 3: of negotiation style's he's not a You're not dealing with
27:28
Speaker 3: bb Netahu in Moscow. You're dealing with the Russian state
27:33
Speaker 3: and their national security Uh, you know, their blob is
27:37
Speaker 3: thousands of people in different institutions that form the national
27:41
Speaker 3: security consensus in Russia. It's not Vladimir Putin micromanaging everything.
27:46
Speaker 3: And Russia has decided and his top aid published this
27:50
Speaker 3: article or this interview recently which retranslated, and he was
27:53
Speaker 3: very clear on that. So I have no reason to
27:56
Speaker 3: doubt what's coming out of Moscow. And so we'll see
28:00
Speaker 3: how serious the US is and you'll know when they
28:03
Speaker 3: start talking about elections in Washington. Until that time, I
28:07
Speaker 3: don't personally, I don't view it as serious, serious talk yet.
28:12
Speaker 1: Okay, And we'll just end this segment then with this,
28:16
Speaker 1: because the question of whether the Prince of Darkness is
28:18
Speaker 1: actually going to be the ambassador of the United States
28:21
Speaker 1: or not is still apparently up in the air, because
28:24
Speaker 1: there's certainly noises coming from people around Trump anyway to
28:27
Speaker 1: suggest that they would reject the suggestion that Peter Mandelson
28:31
Speaker 1: becomes the ambassador of the United States. Is that a
28:36
Speaker 1: likely thing? And you know, Starmer's saying, oh, well, I'm
28:39
Speaker 1: going to get an early visit to the US and
28:41
Speaker 1: go and meet Trump. Or have they really you know,
28:45
Speaker 1: shot themselves in the foot with the pretty arrogant abuse
28:49
Speaker 1: that they sent in this direction before the election.
28:52
Speaker 3: That and the fact that Mandelsson's ties to Jeffrey Epstein
28:56
Speaker 3: are a huge liability. And if that gets on lead
29:00
Speaker 3: on Twitter or on social media as well, I think
29:05
Speaker 3: that's devastating and that will be really embarrassing. I mean,
29:09
Speaker 3: Kris Starmer's already on the back heels for so many
29:12
Speaker 3: other issues, including issues relating to you know, Epstein, So
29:16
Speaker 3: Mandelssin is just I can't believe that they put him
29:20
Speaker 3: forward with his background, in his ties, not to mention,
29:24
Speaker 3: you know, the fact that Tony Blair still is regarded
29:26
Speaker 3: as one of the most hated figures in British recent history,
29:31
Speaker 3: and Mandelson is very much tied to Tony Blair. So
29:35
Speaker 3: there must be somebody better qualified and less controversial than
29:39
Speaker 3: Peter Mandelson to fill that role. I'm quite frankly shocked
29:44
Speaker 3: that they haven't lined up a better candidate, to be honest.
29:48
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well Patrick, thank you very much for that
29:51
Speaker 1: extended segment on Trump. That was fantastic. You're welcome to
29:55
Speaker 1: stay if you'd like to, but if you've got other
29:57
Speaker 1: things to do, that that's fine too. And well look
30:01
Speaker 1: let's move on then to Sitheport and the issue of
30:04
Speaker 1: the prosecution there and the well the guilty verdict, will
30:08
Speaker 1: the guilty plea actually guilty clear?
30:10
Speaker 2: Indeed? Yeah.
30:10
Speaker 5: This goes back to the events from the summer twenty
30:13
Speaker 5: twenty four and the recent trial of Axel Rudy Cabanner.
30:20
Speaker 5: And the first of all, we start with a note
30:23
Speaker 5: posted by the Attorney General with echoes of what was
30:26
Speaker 5: happening in the summer as to what people should post
30:31
Speaker 5: on the internet. Of course many people at that time
30:34
Speaker 5: falling foul of public order and online safety legislation. But
30:40
Speaker 5: the Crime Prosecution Service here confirming that the teenager Rudy Cabanna,
30:47
Speaker 5: at eighteen years old, has pleaded guilty to three charges
30:51
Speaker 5: of murder, ten of attempted murder, the production of rice
30:55
Speaker 5: in and the ownership of what is being described as
30:58
Speaker 5: a terror manual. Now, the response from the Prime Minister
31:03
Speaker 5: has been to use this as a tool with which
31:07
Speaker 5: to extract the maximum political capital and of course further
31:11
Speaker 5: justification for censorship and surveillance and the criminalization of dissent.
31:17
Speaker 5: Now he spoke yesterday about this and having fought off
31:22
Speaker 5: calls for an inquiry into child abuse. He is now
31:25
Speaker 5: going to put in motion and inquiry into the events
31:29
Speaker 5: surrounding the murder of three young girls in Southport in
31:33
Speaker 5: the summer. This is how he introduced the topic.
31:39
Speaker 7: The tragedy of the Southport killings must be a line
31:42
Speaker 7: in the sand for Britain. We must make sure the
31:46
Speaker 7: names of those three young girls are not associated with
31:51
Speaker 7: the vile perpetrator, but instead with a fundamental change in
31:57
Speaker 7: how Britain protects its citizens and its children. In pursuit
32:03
Speaker 7: of that, we must of course ask and answer difficult questions,
32:11
Speaker 7: questions that should be far reaching, unburdened by cultural or
32:17
Speaker 7: institutional sensitivities, and driven only by the pursuit of justice.
32:25
Speaker 7: That is what we owe the family.
32:30
Speaker 5: So as we've mentioned change, what he really means is
32:33
Speaker 5: progressing the narrative that was developed by the Conservative the
32:36
Speaker 5: previous Conservative administration, in particular the ever broadening definition of extremism,
32:42
Speaker 5: which of course UK column has covered over the last
32:45
Speaker 5: few months now. In reframing people as extremists and their book,
32:51
Speaker 5: thereby causing enormous division and mistrust in society. He's really
32:56
Speaker 5: demonstrating that the administration his regime has lost control and
33:02
Speaker 5: this focus, this continued focus on extremism, has really just
33:06
Speaker 5: been confected in order to conflate it with terrorism. So
33:10
Speaker 5: taking the opportunity, he has pushed forward this narrative specifically
33:16
Speaker 5: with regard to terrorism, and here he is explaining exactly
33:19
Speaker 5: how that works out.
33:22
Speaker 7: Nonetheless, it is now time for those questions, and the
33:28
Speaker 7: first of those is whether this was a terrorist attack.
33:34
Speaker 7: The blunt truth here is that this case is a
33:37
Speaker 7: sign Britain now faces a new threat. Terrorism has changed.
33:46
Speaker 7: In the past, the predominant threat was highly organized groups
33:50
Speaker 7: with clear political intent, groups like al Qaeda. That threat,
33:57
Speaker 7: of course remains, but now alongside that we also see
34:04
Speaker 7: acts of extreme violence perpetrated by loners, misfits, young men
34:10
Speaker 7: in their bedroom, accessing all manner of material online, desperate
34:14
Speaker 7: for notoriety, sometimes inspired by traditional terrorist groups, but fixated
34:22
Speaker 7: on that extreme violence, seemingly for its own sake. Now
34:30
Speaker 7: it may well be that people like this are harder
34:34
Speaker 7: to spot, but we can't shrug our shoulders and accept that.
34:39
Speaker 7: We can't have a national security system that fails to
34:43
Speaker 7: tackle people for a danger to our values, our security,
34:48
Speaker 7: our children. We have to be ready to face every threat.
34:56
Speaker 5: Of course, the reverence to our values is something that
35:00
Speaker 5: needs much greater scrutiny, but will not be allowed under
35:03
Speaker 5: these circumstances. And of course he points towards loners and
35:07
Speaker 5: misfits who are hard to spot. So he goes on
35:11
Speaker 5: to describe what it is he's going to do about this.
35:18
Speaker 7: And when I look through the details of this case,
35:21
Speaker 7: the extreme nature of the violence, the meticulous plan to
35:26
Speaker 7: attack young children in a place of joy and safety,
35:31
Speaker 7: violence clearly intended to terrorize, then I understand why people
35:37
Speaker 7: wonder what the word terrorism means. And so if the
35:42
Speaker 7: Lord needs to change to recognize this new and dangerous threat,
35:48
Speaker 7: then we will change it and quickly. And we will
35:52
Speaker 7: also review our entire counter extremist system to make sure
35:57
Speaker 7: we have what we need to defeat it. Now that
36:01
Speaker 7: work is already underway, I've tasked Sir David Anderson Casey,
36:06
Speaker 7: the new Independent Prevent Commissioner, to hold this system to account,
36:12
Speaker 7: to shine a light into its darkest corners, so the
36:16
Speaker 7: British people can have confidence that action will follow words.
36:25
Speaker 5: This, of course, has nothing to do with holding the
36:28
Speaker 5: system to account, but everything to do with producing new
36:32
Speaker 5: tools with which to clamp down on those that are
36:34
Speaker 5: deemed to be speaking out or doing things that are
36:39
Speaker 5: not meeting the approval of the state. Also worth pointing out,
36:42
Speaker 5: the reworking of the definition of terrorism is a way
36:46
Speaker 5: in which the government may remove itself from the crosshairs.
36:49
Speaker 5: Of course, the UK Column talking for well over a
36:53
Speaker 5: year about the very close proximity between the government's actions
36:56
Speaker 5: and the definition of terrorism as given by the Terrorism
36:59
Speaker 5: Act too, and this also may well serve to undermine
37:06
Speaker 5: the processes of tax resistance, as demonstrated by people like
37:10
Speaker 5: Chris Coverdale who've been interviewed for UK Column. Now, the
37:13
Speaker 5: way he speaks, it's as though, and this is a
37:17
Speaker 5: consistent theme, he's still in his role as Director of
37:20
Speaker 5: Public Prosecutions and he lost no time in rewriting history
37:24
Speaker 5: and explaining all the good things he did whilst he
37:26
Speaker 5: was in that job, and this gave him cause to
37:29
Speaker 5: speak about the way in which he was not going
37:31
Speaker 5: to release evidence earlier on for fear of prejudicing the case.
37:36
Speaker 5: In fact, the doubling down on this particular issue has
37:39
Speaker 5: been such that the CPS have produced another statement out
37:42
Speaker 5: today to make exactly that point. Now, that of course,
37:46
Speaker 5: is tantamount to a bare face lie. Because the production
37:50
Speaker 5: of ricin which is now down as an offense that
37:54
Speaker 5: has been pled guilty too, should have been immediately obvious,
37:57
Speaker 5: would have been immediately obvious, and details of that are
38:00
Speaker 5: released prior to the trial, but certainly not at the
38:03
Speaker 5: time of rest. That discrepancy has not been explained satisfactorily
38:07
Speaker 5: at all. Also in his speech he has almost suggested
38:12
Speaker 5: that had it not been possible to buy knives on
38:15
Speaker 5: the internet, then this might not have happened. Of course,
38:17
Speaker 5: the push here is to exploit the plight of these
38:20
Speaker 5: families and in particular the deaths of young children, in
38:23
Speaker 5: order to further the ends and goals of the Online
38:26
Speaker 5: Safety Act twenty twenty three, which is due for significant
38:30
Speaker 5: upgrading as a result of this, also to push further
38:34
Speaker 5: the labor policy on knife crime. They've already stated that
38:37
Speaker 5: they intend to have knife crime but of course not
38:39
Speaker 5: eliminated altogether. Strangely enough, and also just on the online theme,
38:44
Speaker 5: that already a suggestion that there might be two step verification.
38:47
Speaker 5: So we're looking at digital ID presumably at a bare minimum,
38:51
Speaker 5: but also the use of a webcam with which to
38:53
Speaker 5: verify that you are not, in fact a child. It's
38:56
Speaker 5: almost as though he has not heard of artificial intelligence.
39:00
Speaker 5: So this is looking very much like at all further
39:03
Speaker 5: online safety and especially as I say, exploiting the harm
39:08
Speaker 5: to these children. In a sort of oblique reference, he
39:12
Speaker 5: also said, lamenting the stage refairs in the country, that
39:16
Speaker 5: children have stopped going to school and young people have
39:19
Speaker 5: opted out of work or education. He is trying to
39:23
Speaker 5: make the shoe fit by describing loners and misfits, but
39:28
Speaker 5: actually what he's talking about really are the hangover effects
39:32
Speaker 5: of the COVID policy, thereby people turning away from state
39:36
Speaker 5: education and indeed probably being unfit for work, as demonstrated
39:42
Speaker 5: by all the statistics relating to economic inactivity now referred
39:48
Speaker 5: to again also as the failure of Prevent. So we
39:51
Speaker 5: can see the likelihood that there will be far more
39:54
Speaker 5: engagement between PREVENT and young people meddling in schools. Again
40:00
Speaker 5: commented by UK column in a very good interview with
40:02
Speaker 5: Debbie Evans from last year, and he concludes his well
40:08
Speaker 5: ramblings for want of a better word, by saying that
40:10
Speaker 5: nothing will be off the table in this inquiry. Nothing,
40:12
Speaker 5: So we'll wait and see and mark him against that statement.
40:16
Speaker 5: Now I want to come on to the BBC's part
40:19
Speaker 5: in all of this, because they have taken a role
40:22
Speaker 5: that has been entirely central to developing this narrative, without
40:27
Speaker 5: which it's hard to see that the public would be
40:30
Speaker 5: effectively conditioned to the point of being able to accept
40:34
Speaker 5: what is going to happen, and indeed what has happened
40:38
Speaker 5: because by extraordinary coincidence, there has been a recent release
40:42
Speaker 5: of a BBC documentary into the what they're describing as
40:47
Speaker 5: racism within the group Patriotic Alternative, which is described, of
40:53
Speaker 5: course always by the BBC as being a far right group,
40:55
Speaker 5: spoken about it lot before on UK column. They are
40:59
Speaker 5: self described as being ethno nationalists, and there has never
41:03
Speaker 5: been any suggestion that there is a link between Patriotic
41:07
Speaker 5: Alternative and terrorism, and yet they now find themselves falling
41:11
Speaker 5: under that same microscope. Mark Collett, the leader of Patriotic Alternative,
41:15
Speaker 5: did make his own recording, which of course he counters
41:18
Speaker 5: by saying that he therefore has exposed the BBC. But
41:24
Speaker 5: the point to draw out here is that this is
41:26
Speaker 5: being used as a way of calling for Patriotical Alternative,
41:31
Speaker 5: among others, to be prescribed and will come on to
41:35
Speaker 5: the context of that. But they quote from the article
41:38
Speaker 5: they say that the group cannot be banned under current
41:41
Speaker 5: legislation as they do not advocate terrorism. But Dame Sarah
41:45
Speaker 5: talking about Dame Sarah Kahn, the former UK's Counter Terrorism
41:50
Speaker 5: sorry Counter Extremism Commissioner, feels that they are creating a
41:54
Speaker 5: climate conducive to terrorism. Now this goes back, courtesy of
42:00
Speaker 5: the BBC to early twenty twenty four when Michael Gove
42:04
Speaker 5: named again among others, but Patriotic Alternative, and the article
42:09
Speaker 5: at that time said that the new extremism definition applies to,
42:13
Speaker 5: but does not criminalize, groups promoting an ideology based on violence,
42:17
Speaker 5: hatred or intolerance. Now this is rather clear to see
42:22
Speaker 5: what the direction of travel is. But in terms of context,
42:26
Speaker 5: whilst the BBC may indeed have recorded certain remarks of
42:31
Speaker 5: certain people who have an affiliation or an association with Patriotic Alternative,
42:34
Speaker 5: although Mark call It was very keen to make the
42:36
Speaker 5: point that this was not during formal meetings and therefore
42:40
Speaker 5: they were not said in public and therefore did not
42:43
Speaker 5: constitute criminal events. But this is the way Patriotic Alternative
42:47
Speaker 5: have been treated. Now in the summer, when the Labor
42:49
Speaker 5: councilor Ricky Jones was recorded as saying, they are discussing
42:54
Speaker 5: Nazi fascists and we need to cut their throats and
42:57
Speaker 5: get rid of them all. I don't think anybody suggested
42:59
Speaker 5: that the Labor Party should be prescribed because of his
43:02
Speaker 5: association with it. Now, just as an aside, we had
43:06
Speaker 5: the prescription announced last week of his Taria described as
43:11
Speaker 5: being the right thing to do in the House of
43:14
Speaker 5: Lords for reasons of our national security. Now this was
43:17
Speaker 5: on the specific grounds of their anti semitism as a group.
43:22
Speaker 5: Now into the realms of hypocrisy we go, because the
43:27
Speaker 5: prescription of al Qaeda back in March two thousand and
43:31
Speaker 5: one made specific reference to the group now operating in
43:36
Speaker 5: Syria with its hand on the tiller Taria al Sham,
43:40
Speaker 5: and it says here that it should be treated as
43:42
Speaker 5: an alternative name for the organization which is already prescribed
43:46
Speaker 5: under the name al Qaeda. Al Qaeda of course being
43:48
Speaker 5: referred to by Starmer. And yet here we see the
43:53
Speaker 5: BBC Jeremy Bowen alongside the rebranded leader Jelani very much
43:58
Speaker 5: being promoted as referenced by Mike previously under the Terrorism
44:03
Speaker 5: at two thousand. This really should constitute an offense because
44:08
Speaker 5: it is for the benefit of a prescribed organization which
44:12
Speaker 5: is very specifically prohibited by that piece of legislation. So
44:16
Speaker 5: Starmer speech will have far reaching ramification, certainly in terms
44:19
Speaker 5: of legislative upheaval, censorship and surveillance, and it's therefore up
44:24
Speaker 5: to us to make sure that these changes are used
44:26
Speaker 5: as a means of exposing the government's agender and the
44:29
Speaker 5: further extinction of liberty.
44:32
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Speaker 1: if we use and please do that now. On yesterday's
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Speaker 1: interview was entitled students are being Bullied in Submission with
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Speaker 1: Heather McKee, former conven or, sorry conveter of Student Academics
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Speaker 1: for Academic Freedom. So Heather McKee was speaking to Diane
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Speaker 1: about the situation and the fact that this is I
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Speaker 1: should mention that Student Academics for Academic Freedom is a
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Speaker 1: subgroup of Academics for Academic Freedom and they bring together
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Speaker 1: students that feel that free speech and academic freedom are
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Speaker 1: drying out or dying out in the UK and they
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Speaker 1: want to push back on this. And so if you
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Speaker 1: haven't seen that interview, please do have look at it.
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow at one pm we're putting out the premiere of
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Speaker 1: an Introduction to China with Carl Za. This is an
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Speaker 1: interview that I did with Carl a couple of days ago.
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Speaker 1: He is a fantastic guy and I think it's time.
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Speaker 1: We've been hearing lots of rhetoric about China from Trump
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Speaker 1: and from Farage in recent months, and it's time to begin,
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Speaker 1: at least begin an adult conversation about China, about what
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Speaker 1: it is and what it represents, and so join join
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Speaker 1: us at one o'clock for that tomorrow if he possibly can. Okay,
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Speaker 1: now we were talking about Stargate being announced by Trump
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Speaker 1: last week. We were talking about the fact that the
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Speaker 1: UK government has pushing in exactly the same agenda direction,
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Speaker 1: with data centers to be built at all costs and
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Speaker 1: so on. So let's just remind ourselves what was said
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Speaker 1: in the little promo video that the government produced. We'll
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Speaker 1: just play a short excerpt from this. This was I
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Speaker 1: think was from Wednesday's News last week.
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Speaker 8: We're entering a new era of AI. This tech has
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Speaker 8: the potential to improve everyone's lives across our country, to
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Speaker 8: grow the economy. But to do this we need to
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Speaker 8: invest in the UK's infrastructure and skills. So here are
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Speaker 8: five recommendations from my AI Opportunity's Action partn. First, we're
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Speaker 8: creating new AI growth zerones. These will speed up the
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Speaker 8: construction of AI data centers, huge warehousers for computers that
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Speaker 8: the power services like AI and data processing. This will help.
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Speaker 1: Create so that gives you a feeling of what they're
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Speaker 1: talking about. Absolutely the same policy that we have seen
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Speaker 1: from announ Spy Trump in the last day or two now,
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Speaker 1: the government is now announced that it's launching a gov
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Speaker 1: dot UK digital wallet and app, which they claim is
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Speaker 1: going to simplify access to services and documents. That the
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Speaker 1: document they chose to highlight for the greatness of this
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Speaker 1: scheme was the digital driver's license. But as we mentioned
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Speaker 1: a number of weeks ago, they're already talking about the
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Speaker 1: Veterans Card being the first digital ID that they're going
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Speaker 1: to add to this new system. They also announced reforms
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Speaker 1: to public sector technology and these two things combined they
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Speaker 1: claim are going to save us all forty five billion
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Speaker 1: pounds and drive efficiency and growth. I don't believe a
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Speaker 1: word of it now. Last week, as we were saying,
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Speaker 1: we highlighted the British government's AI agenda and that involved
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Speaker 1: dropping everything to build these new data centers and energy infrastructure.
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Speaker 1: And of course that is, as I say, exactly what
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Speaker 1: Trump has announced as well. Yesterday's announcement of the new
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Speaker 1: digital walt goes hand in hand with the announcement on
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Speaker 1: AI last week. Let's listen to their sales pitch on that.
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Speaker 6: The newly formed Digital Center of Government is our vision
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Speaker 6: for the future. We will deliver five changes for the
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Speaker 6: British people, easier lives, next generation public services designed around
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Speaker 6: the user to save you time. If the government knows
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Speaker 6: your date of birth, it should know when you're old
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Speaker 6: enough to apply for a provisional driving license or state pension.
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Speaker 6: Faster growth. If the government knows you're setting up a business,
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Speaker 6: it should know what support you might be entitled to
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Speaker 6: and prompt you about them. Firmer foundations, digital public infrastructure
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Speaker 6: and digital credentials will secure public services so they are
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Speaker 6: trustworthy and resilient, Smarter organizations, tackling duplication and using AI
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Speaker 6: to automate more things behind the scenes. Imagine if when
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Speaker 6: you move house, you only have to tell the government
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Speaker 6: once and then all the relevant services are informed automatically,
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Speaker 6: higher productivity and efficiency, saving public money and enabling frontline
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Speaker 6: workers to focus on delivery. This is a vision for everyone.
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Speaker 6: We're putting new tech in people's pockets, slashing time wasted
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Speaker 6: dealing with annoying processes so they can focus on what
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Speaker 6: matters to them. Welcome to our modern digital government.
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Speaker 1: Are you excited about that?
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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not sure i am, but I can imagine
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Speaker 5: a lot of hackers licking their lips because of course
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Speaker 5: they say that there will be better access to data,
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Speaker 5: but for whom I think has got to be one
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Speaker 5: of the big questions.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now this is being pushed mainly by the Department
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Speaker 1: for Science, Innovation and Technology, and well, just to demonstrate
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Speaker 1: hi identical this whole policy is to what Trump has announced.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring a tweet from them. This is from a
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Speaker 1: few days ago, October the sixth, And of course they're
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Speaker 1: talking about faster diagnosis and personalized treatment of cancer. Is
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Speaker 1: that a coincidence? I don't think so, So we might
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Speaker 1: have a discussion about that extra No, let's move on
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Speaker 1: then to national security.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, very much related to what I've been talking about
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Speaker 5: earlier in relation to the Starmer update on terrorism, the
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Speaker 5: wilful conflation of several issues. But this has come from
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Speaker 5: Dan Jarvis, the Minister for Security, and he has said
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Speaker 5: in a tweet that hostile states are increasingly using security
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Speaker 5: professionals in the UK to undermine our security and he
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Speaker 5: goes on to say that the right checks will help
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Speaker 5: counter the threat and protect our national security. Now, is
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Speaker 5: he necessarily speaking about this in response to an uptick
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Speaker 5: in foreign interference or is it simply to conform or
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Speaker 5: indeed better coordinate the narrative in which we find ourselves,
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Speaker 5: or at least many of us will find ourselves trapped
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Speaker 5: by offering to sending voices towards the government. Nevertheless, he
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Speaker 5: put this out on Monday of this week, and it's
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Speaker 5: advice for security professionals in order that they tackle the
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Speaker 5: threat from state actors. Of course, the inference, as I say,
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Speaker 5: is that this is in response to an increase they
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Speaker 5: that Jovis does not actually substantiate that point at all,
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Speaker 5: or even try to. But in his document he says
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Speaker 5: that work security professionals could take on to assist a
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Speaker 5: foreign power in carrying out activities against the UK may
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Speaker 5: include activity intended to so discord, manipulate public discourse, discredit
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Speaker 5: the political system, bias the development of policy, and otherwise
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Speaker 5: undermine the safety or interests of the UK. Now he
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Speaker 5: also is putting the onus on the industry to report
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Speaker 5: and in particular to counter terrorism policing, so asking individuals
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Speaker 5: to suspect one another, something that we were asked to
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Speaker 5: do back in twenty twenty, and unfortunately an unhealthy number
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Speaker 5: of people jumped at the chance to do so. Now
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Speaker 5: he uses phrases like intending to benefit a foreign power,
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Speaker 5: but of course he doesn't explicitly say that there needs
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Speaker 5: to be an identification of any link to such a
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Speaker 5: foreign power, so it's easy to see already. So this
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Speaker 5: kind of legislation, which refers to the National Security Act
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty three is of course what it's all about,
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Speaker 5: and as I say, it very much goes hand in
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Speaker 5: glove with what will be the new terrorism policy and legislation,
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Speaker 5: in that the authorities will be able to interpret any
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Speaker 5: activity they choose as evidence of such an intent. Alongside
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Speaker 5: this is a guide to the National Security Act twenty
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Speaker 5: twenty three which explains that the Act also covers activities
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Speaker 5: intended to undermine our values and freedoms that same phrase again,
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Speaker 5: such as manipulating public discourse or threatening political dissidents in
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Speaker 5: the UK, ranging from harassment to physical threats. Now, what
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Speaker 5: I want to pick out of that is the reference
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Speaker 5: to political dissidents, in that foreign political dissidents to regimes
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Speaker 5: that are perceived to be hostile to the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 5: for example Russia are protected, whereas, of course the law
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Speaker 5: is specifically designed and indeed being changed, to capture political
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Speaker 5: dissidents who are critical of the British regime from the inside,
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Speaker 5: so quite the contradiction not entirely unexpected now since it's
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Speaker 5: been used, the National Security Act has only been put
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Speaker 5: into effect on a handful of occasions. But back in November,
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Speaker 5: I reported on the case of three individuals charged with
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Speaker 5: relation to a case of espionage or foreign interference from
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Speaker 5: China via Hong Kong. Noteworthy because one of the defendants,
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Speaker 5: Matthew Trickett, was found dead in a park in Maidenhead
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Speaker 5: very shortly after that charge, death which is still listed
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Speaker 5: as being unexplained. The trial is to develop further in
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Speaker 5: the coming months, but as I said at the outset,
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Speaker 5: it seems very likely that the conflation of three previously
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Speaker 5: separate areas will absolutely continue, those being national security, terrorism
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Speaker 5: and extremism, all of which are being woven into one
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Speaker 5: gigantic net which may be cast over anyone that the
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Speaker 5: state does not like.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Charles. And just to finish then we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about small farms now. Because satainly Vanessa has
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Speaker 1: not been able to join, I've got to skip over
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Speaker 1: a couple of a little bit of content here, so we.
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Speaker 5: Will This really follows the work we've been doing on
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Speaker 5: farms for the last year and a half, and it's
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Speaker 5: set in the context of everything that's on the UK
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Speaker 5: column Farm section or farming topic area, which I really
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Speaker 5: would encourage you to go and look at.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 5: We've heard lots of rumblings of various protests and dissatisfied
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Speaker 5: farmers for a whole host of reasons, and very occasionally
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Speaker 5: there's a sort of a chink of light where it's
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Speaker 5: perceived that the farming community may have made a step
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Speaker 5: forward in the right direction. So I'll refer back to
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Speaker 5: the case of Amos Millen, and this is back over
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Speaker 5: in the United States. Something's been going on for a
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Speaker 5: long time. He's an Amish farmer and has had a
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Speaker 5: battle in the court of Pennsylvania, specifically in this case
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Speaker 5: to do with the sale of his raw milk. And
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Speaker 5: this will strike a chord with anyone who's tried to
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Speaker 5: purchase or indeed sell raw milk in the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 5: Of course, it's prohibited by law in Scotland, and the
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Speaker 5: narrative is very much that it's a harmful product and
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Speaker 5: really should not be possible to purchase in this country. Now,
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Speaker 5: anyone who might be of that mind, I would point
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Speaker 5: towards the interview with the dairy farmer, John Cook called
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Speaker 5: Raw Truth an absolutely phenomenal interview in which he goes
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Speaker 5: through all the detail of not just the regulatory burden
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Speaker 5: but also the very many benefits of raw milk. In
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Speaker 5: the first place, I asked Patrick earlier about the executive
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Speaker 5: order to expel undocumented workers. So again related to this,
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Speaker 5: we see we will look to the States to see
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Speaker 5: how the way that migration is managed is going to
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Speaker 5: affect the workforce. But specifically because of course, like in
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Speaker 5: the United Kingdom, it is run by large corporation. The
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Speaker 5: only way in which to change this is to stop
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Speaker 5: buying the food that they produce, now on a smaller scale,
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Speaker 5: But nonetheless, I would say very relevant because of the
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Speaker 5: message it sends. There was a recent intervention by Gloucestershire
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Speaker 5: County Council suggesting to people that they buy oat milk
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Speaker 5: rather than dairy milk, and this was on the basis
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Speaker 5: that oat milk apparently produces fewer greenhouse gas emissions. Now,
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Speaker 5: if we just put the science to one side, there
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Speaker 5: was of course who are and the county council have
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Speaker 5: apologized the point to be drawn out of this really
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Speaker 5: is that whilst it was rejected by farmers, I would
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Speaker 5: put it that effectively, they walked into a trap by
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Speaker 5: trying to argue the toss over the amount of emissions
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Speaker 5: involved in dairy farming, rather than considering the principles of
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Speaker 5: the very movement that is intending to shut them down.
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Speaker 5: So the fallout from this is that it needs to
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Speaker 5: be a greater examination of the climate narrative and the
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Speaker 5: way it's fielded with which to destroy the small farm
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Speaker 5: Farmers of course repeatedly pulled down dead end avenues, that
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Speaker 5: being one of them. Recently we saw the again the
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Speaker 5: much ado about the beauverair feed additive supposedly which reduces
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Speaker 5: methane emissions from cattle, but the point was that it
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Speaker 5: might be harmful to humans or it might be harmful
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Speaker 5: the animal, rather than considering whether or not there was
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Speaker 5: any need to reduce methane in the courage digestive system
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Speaker 5: in the first place. So the arguments really should be made,
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Speaker 5: in my opinion, on fundamental principles rather than nitpicking over
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Speaker 5: the detail of particular point of policy. Now, the reason
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Speaker 5: for putting it in those terms is that if you
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Speaker 5: are aware of farmers that you think would be receptive
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Speaker 5: to this sort of discussion or we want to better
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Speaker 5: educate yourself. I can point you towards the excellent presentation
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Speaker 5: made by Sam Adams and Roger Meecock, chaired by Debbie Evans,
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Speaker 5: which is up on the UK Column website, and there'll
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Speaker 5: be a part two following soon which sets sets out
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Speaker 5: the campaign to push small farmers off the land and
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Speaker 5: chart the history of it going back through the decades.
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Speaker 5: Now to illustrate the point that I'm making really about
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Speaker 5: all these policies being to the detriment of the environment
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Speaker 5: and certainly the detriment of people, and to the detriment
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Speaker 5: of food security. One example is the suspension of capital
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Speaker 5: grant by the Royal Payments Agency, and in particular that
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Speaker 5: concerning hedge laying. Now, hedgerows occupy space that is not
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Speaker 5: given over to the production of food on a large scale,
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Speaker 5: but of course hedgerows can be used to produce food,
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Speaker 5: and yet there are no capital payments available from the
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Speaker 5: Royal Payments Agency for hedge laying, something that definitely does
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Speaker 5: increase biodiversity and act as a massive species habitat, something
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Speaker 5: that defra of course say that they want to do
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Speaker 5: but don't actually do. On Monday's News, Ben Rubin introduced
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Speaker 5: the term posiwid, which is an acronym for purpose of
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Speaker 5: system is what it does. I can think of no
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Speaker 5: better example than something like this with regard to agriculture.
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Speaker 5: So it's the destruction of habitat, no biodiversity or food,
1:00:25
Speaker 5: but certainly plenty of money stead available for taking larger
1:00:29
Speaker 5: areas of land out of food production. Now, and I'll
1:00:33
Speaker 5: just round off by the way in which the narrative
1:00:36
Speaker 5: is continually corrupted. And there's an exhibition about to start
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Speaker 5: at Somerset House which is called Soil the World at
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Speaker 5: Our Feet. And at first glance one might think this
1:00:46
Speaker 5: is coming from the right direction. It opens tomorrow until
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Speaker 5: mid April, and it is an examination of how human
1:00:54
Speaker 5: health can be enhanced by good soil and the treatment
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Speaker 5: of the soil, of course a little bit below the
1:01:01
Speaker 5: service surface, no pun necessarily intended. And see that the
1:01:04
Speaker 5: exhibition itself is funded by the GIA Art Foundation, among others.
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Speaker 5: But you look again and you see that this GEIA
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Speaker 5: fund receives money from several of the Rockefeller organizations. So
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Speaker 5: I think you can see how it is that in
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Speaker 5: actual fact, when they talk about soil and human health.
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Speaker 5: What they really mean is that this is being subverted
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Speaker 5: already to be specifically about climate change, and indeed mankind
1:01:32
Speaker 5: not tinkering with the soil at all, in other words,
1:01:35
Speaker 5: not farming, so an effort to capture the genuine and
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Speaker 5: holistic appreciation of soils benefits to all of life, and
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Speaker 5: to move the focus into the arena of the climate narrative.
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Speaker 5: So if you are in London, it might be an
1:01:49
Speaker 5: exhibition that you would go to just to see how
1:01:52
Speaker 5: far that narrative is being pushed. But that's all there's
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Speaker 5: time on that today, and in fact.
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Speaker 1: It's all those time for on the news today. Thank
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Speaker 1: you very much, Charles, and thank you very much Patrick
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Speaker 1: Hennison for joining us today. We'll be back in a
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Speaker 1: few minutes for a little bit of extra If you
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Speaker 1: are a UK column remember otherwise we'll see you on
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Speaker 1: Friday one pm. But don't forget the interview at one
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Speaker 1: pm tomorrow. See you then, Bye bye, by Bi