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Horrific story from Cleveland · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: I warned you a couple of times during Blazer Show
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  Speaker 1: that I would to talk about this and it's a
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  Speaker 1: serious matter. But as I continue to watch society just
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  Speaker 1: just dive into the slime. This is going to become
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  Speaker 1: a question we're going to have to face, absolutely going
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  Speaker 1: to have to face. And if you have kids with you,
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  Speaker 1: if you're in the car right now, got the kids
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  Speaker 1: with you, put in a CD or something, listen to
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  Speaker 1: the podcast later. I don't know that I would. If
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  Speaker 1: I had my little ones with me, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that I would. I'd be listening. Just being honest with
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  Speaker 1: you because this is a rough story. My question, how
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  Speaker 1: young is too young to be hauled into a courtroom
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  Speaker 1: and taken to trial, even as an adult, if you
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  Speaker 1: have not reached the age of eighteen. As you watched
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  Speaker 1: the social media, there's constantly videos are out there, security
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  Speaker 1: camera video and so forth, young people just being just
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  Speaker 1: being animalistic, whether it's a bunch of people fighting in
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  Speaker 1: a fast food place, hopping over the counter, stealing food,
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  Speaker 1: beating up the employees walking in unmasked to a jewelry
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  Speaker 1: store and them all breaking out glass and everybody just
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  Speaker 1: grabbing a free for all, going into a department store,
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  Speaker 1: grabbing arms full of clothes that I'm sure will pop
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  Speaker 1: up on Craigslist or marketplace or something. We're seeing this constantly,
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  Speaker 1: constantly now, and yet everything that I just say said
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  Speaker 1: pales in comparison to the story that inspires this question.
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  Speaker 1: How young is too young to try them as adults?
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  Speaker 1: Stories out of Cleveland, I have not seen much in
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  Speaker 1: the way of local coverage. I'm not saying nobody's covered it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying I haven't seen much in the way of
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  Speaker 1: local coverage. Spectrum One did cover it. I will take
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  Speaker 1: the details of the story from their website. A Monday
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  Speaker 1: social media post from a mother claims that her five
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  Speaker 1: year old daughter was physically and sexually assaulted by a
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  Speaker 1: group of other kids and left unconscious and unresponsive on
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  Speaker 1: September thirteenth. The post has been shared more than a
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand times at the time of this writing. Spectrum
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  Speaker 1: News One is not naming the mother of the victim.
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  Speaker 1: Good for them. In her post, the mother said that
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  Speaker 1: her daughter had been staying in the trusted family member's
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  Speaker 1: home on the city's east side while the mother was
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  Speaker 1: undergoing a medical procedure. Her post states that she got
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  Speaker 1: a call that her daughter had walked out of the
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  Speaker 1: house and could not be found, and the authorities had
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  Speaker 1: been contacted. She said her daughter was approached by a
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  Speaker 1: group of bigger kids around ages eight, nine, and ten,
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  Speaker 1: who took her to a field where they beat and
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  Speaker 1: sexually assaulted her eight nine and ten. When the mother
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  Speaker 1: arrived on the scene, she said she approached an EMS
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  Speaker 1: truck and found her daughter unconscious, unconscious, bruised, and bloody.
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  Speaker 1: The mother stated in her post that when the family
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  Speaker 1: member that had been seeking her daughter arrived, she ran
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  Speaker 1: into two of the children and asked them if they'd
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  Speaker 1: seen a little girl, and they said no. After that
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  Speaker 1: family member had returned home awaiting authorities, the same children
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  Speaker 1: came back with their mother and said that they did
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  Speaker 1: in fact know where the girl was. According to the post,
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  Speaker 1: they took the family member to a field where she
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  Speaker 1: found this little girl. The mother said she didn't wish
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  Speaker 1: to get the media involved, but she's done so because
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  Speaker 1: she was informed that two of the boys, ages eight
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  Speaker 1: and nine, would not be charged due to their age.
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  Speaker 1: She says she's reached out to Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibbs's office.
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  Speaker 1: The Cleveland Metropolitan Bar Association and others to get help.
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  Speaker 1: In response to an inquiry about this case, Cleveland Police
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  Speaker 1: Sergeant Freddie Diaz confirmed this via email. Here's his statement.
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  Speaker 1: The Cleveland Division of Police Sex Crimes and Child Abuse
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  Speaker 1: Unit is actively investigating the case, involving multiple children under
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  Speaker 1: the age of ten as victims and as suspects of
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  Speaker 1: the investigation. Given the sensitive nature of the matter, the
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  Speaker 1: release of further information at this time could jeopardize the
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  Speaker 1: integrity of the investigation and violate the constitutional rights and
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  Speaker 1: privacy of those involved. Data on the Cleveland Division of
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  Speaker 1: Police's a crime incident table showed following offenses near the
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  Speaker 1: address of the mother's post on that day. Two assaults,
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  Speaker 1: a felonious assault, a rape, sex offenses, and all other
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  Speaker 1: offenses with a category. The case number associated with these
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  Speaker 1: offenses also matches one provided by Diaz. In addition, the
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  Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's Office has confirmed that they are aware of
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  Speaker 1: the ongoing investigation. They say, we are aware of the incident.
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  Speaker 1: Our office has not yet received the case and no
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  Speaker 1: charging determinations have been made. That's from Alexi Bauer, who's
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  Speaker 1: the communications manager at the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's office. She
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  Speaker 1: also said the case is still under investigation by the
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland Division of Police Police. Once the case is submitted
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  Speaker 1: to our office, we will review it for criminal charges.
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  Speaker 1: Former Ohio Attorney General Mark dan said this case could
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  Speaker 1: be difficult to prosecute. Years ago, he said he defended
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  Speaker 1: an eight year old who was accused of rape. One
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  Speaker 1: of the things that was really difficult was to wrestle
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  Speaker 1: with was that whether an eight year old, a ten
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  Speaker 1: year old, or a five year old has the mental
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  Speaker 1: capacity to form the plan to commit a crime like that.
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  Speaker 1: Since the suspects are so young, the parents could be
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  Speaker 1: held responsible depending upon the what investigators find, which I
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  Speaker 1: find personally unreasonable. I do there's only so much control
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  Speaker 1: that you have, and these if you did not find
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  Speaker 1: them guilty of in some way, shape or form, neglecting
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  Speaker 1: or abusing or mistreating or misguiding their children, holding them
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  Speaker 1: accountable for what these little animal children would have done,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense to me. If the parents of
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  Speaker 1: the children were negligent or were careless or worse involved
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  Speaker 1: in an abuse over its sexual activity in their household,
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  Speaker 1: they certainly had the mental capacity to commit a crime.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike the children, Dan said in a Facebook post, the
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  Speaker 1: mother said it would be unjust if those responsible were
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  Speaker 1: to go unpunished. She is thanked the public for their
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  Speaker 1: support and said her daughter is receiving therapy. To have
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  Speaker 1: these children, if found guilty, walk away from substantial repercussions
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  Speaker 1: is essentially where we are. They're not going to put
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  Speaker 1: an eight year old in prison. What do you do
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  Speaker 1: because we see two off I mean, how the Hyundai
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  Speaker 1: and Kia thefts that were going on. They cooled down
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  Speaker 1: a bit now, it seems at least the media is
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  Speaker 1: not covering them the way they were. But how many
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  Speaker 1: times do we see eleven, twelve, thirteen year old kids
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  Speaker 1: in these cars stealing automobiles, operating automobiles, depriving the rightful
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  Speaker 1: owner of their personal property worth tens of thousands of dollars?
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  Speaker 1: Is it unthinkable that this is the next step? And
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  Speaker 1: how far do you go? How far do you go
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  Speaker 1: toward abolishing repercussions for the deeds that you do because
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  Speaker 1: you're young? Mark Dan I believe is incorrect in his
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  Speaker 1: assertion that it's hard to think that an eight year old,
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  Speaker 1: nine year old, ten year old could even formulate plan
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  Speaker 1: required to commit a crime like that. If you can
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  Speaker 1: commit the crime, you can certainly plan it. And this
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  Speaker 1: was group think. Perhaps one of them was the poison pill,
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  Speaker 1: but the other two went along. Does that absolve them?
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  Speaker 1: I know it's uncomfortable, I know it's frightening, I know
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  Speaker 1: it's scary. I know it's distasteful. I know we really
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do it. But isn't it time we
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  Speaker 1: started formulating our plan on how to lock these kids up?
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  Speaker 1: Prepare for it now, because you're going to need to
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  Speaker 1: do it in the future. Unless you plan on waving
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  Speaker 1: a wine and wand of some sort of changing the world,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna need to do this in the future. It's
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  Speaker 1: only getting worse. And any nobody who's been on this
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  Speaker 1: earth for a few decades you know that. You know that.
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  Speaker 1: Don't put your head in the sand. And well, this
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  Speaker 1: is just as one one case somewhere, Yeah, one case somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: It's getting worse every day. Heaven only knows where we
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  Speaker 1: will be ten years from now. Look what we've seen
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  Speaker 1: over the last ten years. We have to do something
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  Speaker 1: about it. Distasteful or not locking an eight year old
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  Speaker 1: up until they're twenty one, Well maybe that's what it's
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  Speaker 1: going to take. If you were capable of something like
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  Speaker 1: this at eight, I don't know what you're going to
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  Speaker 1: be capable of at fifteen. And frankly, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to find out how young is too young to lock
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  Speaker 1: them up. Or maybe that's just me